assassination

[sand elm]

it should be changed to be a short cd mini burst

like it makes bleeds to double tick damage for x seconds or something

or like how lock drain soul works where it causes dots to tick for 50% of their bleed damage

[balmy condor]

most of the sin theorycrafters have purposed copy pasting flourish

from resto druid

[sand elm]

well it is essentially the same functionality

[timid cloud]

Uhhh, did I check the wrong rotation area on the guide?

[balmy condor]

idk did you

[timid cloud]

https://i.gyazo.com/86550ebe16c6658fe246f13511f02bb1.png

I thought I hit the right stuff for pure ST raid opener

[balmy condor]

seems reasonable to me

whats wrong with it

[sand elm]

marked for death?

[balmy condor]

he toggled marked for death on

[sand elm]

i know im wondering why its there

[timid cloud]

Yeah, that's what was on the ST one, no?

[sand elm]

thought DS was the pick

[balmy condor]

you can play either

[sand elm]

fair enough

[balmy condor]

I don't entirely understand whats wrong with it yet

[sand elm]

it looks ok to me

[balmy condor]

I guess you could argue the envenom should happen before the kingsbane

[timid cloud]

Ahhh, I just took the import & it was MFD

[balmy condor]

am I stupid

I don't see it

[timid cloud]

I was just asking if I did something wrong, I'm still getting used to this rotation, so I feel clunky.

Also Vendetta on GCD doesn't feel right...

[sand elm]

u still have vendetta?

[timid cloud]

You know what I mean, Deathmark.

[sand elm]

at least it does its own bit of damage for the trouble

maple i was reading about the tier set bonus basically massively buffing DTB. any idea if DTB is still the better pick without set bonus?

[balmy condor]

oh no people referring to me as maple

I've been off-name too long

[sand elm]

its ur name tho

[balmy condor]

aight aight aight

back to government mandated name

[sand elm]

ill still call u maple its ok

[balmy condor]

it is, by 0.8%

with tier it goes to like 2.5%

[sand elm]

oho?

so in that case, untill getting tier set u could in theory play carnage or kingsbane?

for a negligible loss

[balmy condor]

wellj

in m+ carnage is a no regardless

but kingsbane in raid sure

[sand elm]

carnage that much worse?

[balmy condor]

I don't know how much value it would bring considering 80% of the raid is just cleave anyway but it's something you can do

[sand elm]

fair enough

[balmy condor]

kingsbanes better in dungeonslice than carnage atm

might be just dslice things

but it's not a good sign

[sand elm]

still a few weeks left i guess. hopefully we get some more tuning

[timid cloud]

OH, it was because the import didn't have SBS

& the rotation does.

That's also what threw me off.

I'm so dum dum.

[hard grail]

Is Shadow Dance worth? And Thistle tea is shit right? so we just go ER?

[timid cloud]

For the ST KB build on the guide.

[balmy condor]

no, thistle is good, er is good

level 70 you take both

level 60 you do whatever you want it's prepatch go wild

[hard grail]

Yeha im on beta, so i can take both

so for thistle, do you need to use the mastery for certain times?

or just when low energy

[sand elm]

its not enough to worry about i dont think

[balmy condor]

you starve yourself looking for the energy, and then tea into a shiv

ideally

but if you get 100 energy from using tea, you're getting the value out of it

wouldn't worry much beyond that

[hard grail]

Ah, ok. I am a played at HOF level in SL but 0 rogue experience. I played warr for liked 4 expacs haha

so i appreciate it alot

[balmy condor]

np

DF is weird

[sand elm]

welcome to the rogue reroll club

[hard grail]

does thistle tea mastery scale up? or is the %13.6 static?

[balmy condor]

static

at least from what I understand

[sand elm]

imagine if it scaled with ilvl

[balmy condor]

but the mastery on it was already not great, and then it got nerfed

[hard grail]

makes sense, 13.6% just wierd number

[balmy condor]

so now it's worse than not great

[sand elm]

blizzard numbers

[balmy condor]

I mean it deserved a nerf

was 100% justified

but the mastery just is a passive nerf to it

[hard grail]

with ER, is the 75% dmg one better or 3 additional combo points? my guess is the 3 CP's right?

[sand elm]

it didnt even really need mastery added to it

just being an energy regen is powerful enough

[balmy condor]

3 cps yeh, but the damage is like real close

[timid cloud]

Errr, when do I flag in the rotation?

[balmy condor]

idk, before deathmark I guess

[oak sky]

before rupture bro

[timid cloud]

[sand elm]

i do it just after deathmark. but itll be gone in a few weeks so never bothered to think about where would be better

[balmy condor]

that's not the take

if dance is better than er in single target you never go middle path ever again

[hard grail]

Sorry im asking alot, is MfD or deeper strat better? My guess is MfD?

[balmy condor]

pretty equal right now, deeper in df

[sand elm]

they should add a connection from alacrity to find weakness, then make the choice between tea and shadow dance

[balmy condor]

gonna be honest, if you care about what to take right now I'm gonna tell you to stop caring

[hard grail]

the only reason i care now, is because i want to play and learn with what i will be playing, i feel you though

i just want to have the feel of DF play

[balmy condor]

yeah just dick around with stuff you'll be okay

kingsbane sbs ER Tea dance

that's bout it

[hard grail]

dragon-tempered blades dogshit?

[balmy condor]

bis in dragonflight

[sand elm]

bad now, good in df

[balmy condor]

well

"bad now"

you can't take it

[timid cloud]

I'm going to my bathroom to take a long look in the mirror in order to reflect on the choices i've made in my life that brought me to this point.

[sand elm]

yeh so its bad 😛

[hard grail]

oh, sick

[balmy condor]

ma sucks so bad tho

[oak sky]

i mean er is fine

you barely even pay attention to it

you just slam then wait for your cp to land on them

[sand elm]

my only problem with ER was when the 1st combo point was powered

trying to only build 1 combo point sucks

[oak sky]

with rc it always does 2-4

[hard grail]

Is 3 in zoldyck recipe and then into dragon-tempered possible? losing that 30% exectue damage sounds so bad... maybe im arms warrior brain

[balmy condor]

zold is okay

but it's nothing crazy

[hard grail]

I am arms brain, i see execute i pick

xd

[balmy condor]

we have 2 execute style nodes on the left of the tree but our execute gets blasted by a warrior smashing his face onto the execute key for a minute

be like that

[hard grail]

that new arms talent sounds DISGHUSTING... fatality i believe?

[balmy condor]

could do either

but I wouldn't hold my breath

because ya know

[oak sky]

you can definitely do a build with dtb+zold but you might have to give up good stuff to get there

[balmy condor]

they wouldn't tune a talent out of existance

that would be silly

[oak sky]

weird how ive never talented venom rush before

[hard grail]

@oak sky yeah i wonder what numbers are... zold + dtb would be pog

the idea of not having 30% exectue dmg makes me cringe

but im new to rogue haha

[oak sky]

eh

its not 30% execute damage

its less than that

[hard grail]

yeah, %100

[oak sky]

doesnt affect envenom or mut or ambush

[hard grail]

its probably like 18%

[oak sky]

thats a very specific random number

[hard grail]

based on my dmg breakdowns

[oak sky]

IB can never exist

[balmy condor]

what

are you smoking

[oak sky]

IB is a pvp talent

[balmy condor]

cause I want some

[hard grail]

THAT GOOD SHIT

https://tenor.com/view/chris-tucker-smoke-cigarettes-gif-13814074

[balmy condor]

internal bleeding doesn't even apply if it doesn't stun

[oak sky]

but yeah i mean if you go zold+dtb you definitely lose a lot of good stuff

15% weapon poisons, sbs, shrouded suff

3 points is just a looooot

no 🙂

i definitely find it crazy that some specs can get 3 legendaries that are each individually better than our 1 that costs 3 points

not a great feeling

[sand elm]

or let u stun bosses.... 👀

[oak sky]

lol

youre having even better shit than hes having

[teal bloom]

Being able to stun bosses is the raid utility we need

[sand elm]

dont tell me u wouldnt love it

[oak sky]

dont act like thats something that will ever be in the game

💀

[sand elm]

oh i know we wont get it

doesnt mean its not a great idea

[oak sky]

its a terrible idea

that would be the most broken single ability ever

[sand elm]

oh i dont mean just the talent. i meant the ability for any cc to work on a boss

[oak sky]

if you can stun bosses you just stack rogues and stunlock the bosses at hard parts

[sand elm]

not specifically that 1 talent

[oak sky]

ANY CC TO WORK ON A BOSS

hop off

please

[sand elm]

no u

[balmy condor]

[oak sky]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1020115477625839756.webp?size=128&quality=lossless

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/brothel-leave-enter-grandpa-abe-gif-26361792

[hard grail]

you have to be doing shrooms when you start suggesting stunning bosses

[teal bloom]

To balance the mechanic bosses have gladiator's medallions

[gusty mirage]

bro just get nitro already

this is embarassing

[oak sky]

i have enough subscriptions to stuff

why one more

[hard grail]

human racial bosses

[gusty mirage]

well you're embarrassing me now 😠

[sand elm]

why not

[distant mesa]

so IK you line up kingsbane with Deathmark, and you dont cap shiv, but would you cap shiv if death mark is <10s to line both shivs into deathmark?

[spice spire]

Mf subbed to too many OFs

[oak sky]

real

[balmy condor]

you line up shivs with kingsbane, not with deathmark

[distant mesa]

O.o

[hard grail]

I MEAN YOU DO

[sand elm]

fight time

[hard grail]

sorry

[sand elm]

dems fightin words jstew

[hard grail]

deathmark is bleed dmg, shiv doesnt affect it

[balmy condor]

not really

but go off king

[oak sky]

deathmark doubles your deadly

[balmy condor]

double poison is real good

you definitely shiv during deathmark

[hard grail]

I read icyveins and wowhead and it said to keep both shiv for KB

[balmy condor]

but capping it ain't the move unless you're playing kingsbane

yes

it does

and you should

no one is arguing that

[hard grail]

Oh

[oak sky]

you play it like dance

always have one for deathmark

never overcap

[distant mesa]

currently playing this on pre-patch and getting 30-35k openers and consistent 20k til the next deathmark then I fall apart cause I couldn't figure it out lol

[balmy condor]

(except with kingsbane where you do overcap)

[oak sky]

yes

[hard grail]

But if you only have one shiv, youd save it for second half of KB right? obviously

[balmy condor]

yes

[oak sky]

double shiv is real good though

especially with kingsbane

so its unlikely you would play without it

i think

[balmy condor]

yeah just hold both shivs, shiv envenom kingsbane, shiv when the first runs out, wait a minute, deathmark shiv envenom kingsbane, shiv when the first runs out

over and over

dunno

maybe

[distant mesa]

not really doing SL content atm

[hard grail]

I was suprised that SbS is better than sepsis, assumed shiv dmg would make it better

[balmy condor]

yeh problem is that sepsis is shit

[hard grail]

The dmg tuning of it?

[balmy condor]

yeah

it's kingsbane but way way worse and doesn't line up with anything and doesn't interact with stuff

the stealth benefit isn't really felt either

just a whole lot of nothing

[hard grail]

yeah, gotcha. i think SbS would be cool to have a low chance to proc a Combo point

[oak sky]

sbs generates more cp for every sbs thats up

[hard grail]

yeah, i meant like the ticks have a low chance would be cool

like aff lock shards

[balmy condor]

random cp

does not sound cool

[oak sky]

i mean i dont think it needs more anything really

its a very fun ability for aoe and cleave

sepsis is i mean

its sepsis

[hard grail]

a council fight with sbs sounds pog

[oak sky]

yeah thats like the most fun fights for it

[split grail]

I know it's only for prepatch, but is there an updated conduit guide for sin?

[balmy condor]

wowhead

[graceful bane]

What leggo do we go now instead of dusk? I was thinking zold but then I remember we talent that unless it stacks with the talent so we still go it anyway,

[balmy condor]

pins

[split grail]

Is it under the cov section cause I cant find it

[graceful bane]

ah ty ty

[balmy condor]

the soulbinds are linked

[nocturne current]

Quick question as I don't play for some time now. Are bleeds and poisons ticks affected by Crit Chance?

[oak sky]

yes

[nocturne current]

So how does it work, each individual tick has a chance of doubling in damage by my current crit chance?

[teal bloom]

Yes

[nocturne current]

Thanks, very helpful 🙂

So that's why Rogues were stacking crit.. I had no clue, thanks mate.

[gusty mirage]

assassination was stacking crit because of seal fate

cause mutilate costs a lot of energy, so if you can get 3 or 4cp per mutilate you get to save some globals

[balmy condor]

yeh

has nothing to do with bleed ticks

just has bit crit interaction

[nocturne current]

So let's say. If I have a stable 30% crit chance, I should expect (on average), my Rupture does +30% damage?

[balmy condor]

versus 0% crit? sure

[nocturne current]

So if I understand correctly, Crit completely overshadows Mastery in tick damage (up to the some sort of Crit Cap)? 😕

[balmy condor]

30% mastery is also 30% damage

and they're both multipliers

[nocturne current]

Ok, thanks mate. This helped a ton.

[balmy condor]

I'm glad

idk what you were looking for, but you found it and that's what matters

[nocturne current]

Yeah yeah, I'm going to ditch Flying Daggers for Master Assassin then as I had no clue bleeds actually tick. Neat.

[balmy condor]

master assassin ain't great either btw

but yeah flying daggers is terrible

[nocturne current]

Yeah this is 1-2 ticks at best, but eh. Like you said I agree.

[balmy condor]

I think the weirdest thing about master assassin is needing it for iron wire

I guess you could take exsang in keys as well

but that feels weird too

I think sims prefer taking exsang

but it's just awkward all around

[nocturne current]

Iron Wire seems to good. It's like a Solar Beam now.

It was already good but with Carnage now. Hmm.

[balmy condor]

If we even take carnage

Looking like a hard maybe

[hard grail]

is it possible that thrown precision, crimson tempest, flying daggers, with like poison bomb and dtd could be better than carnage?

for a full key dmg

[balmy condor]

Kinda….

This is current idea

[nocturne current]

What's in the other table, Dance, Tea, or just Stratagem?

[balmy condor]

Seal fate ER deeper

[hard grail]

That tree is for... M+?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[hard grail]

gotcha

ty

[balmy condor]

I mean

Let’s get real

If you want an m+ tree

You do this

[drifting cloud]

you cant stop me

[nocturne current]

Hahah.

[hard grail]

I dont like outlaw

FK EM

SIN DADS ONLY

[balmy condor]

A lot of people don’t like outlaw

But outlaw has been the m+ spec

For a very long time

Even when it’s not good, it’s good

And sin hasn’t been meta in m+ since well

Probably since m+ honestly

Legion poison bomb was okay

But it wasn’t amazing

[drifting cloud]

you already forgot garet1,garet2,garet3

[kindred rapids]

Wasn't it good in bfa at some point?

[balmy condor]

It was still worse than outlaw

In either season

[kindred rapids]

Ah

[drifting cloud]

nah it was before that azerite power existed

forgot the name

[balmy condor]

Season 2 was scent of blood m+

[drifting cloud]

no no I mean the outlaw power

[balmy condor]

Snake eyes?

[nocturne current]

It was okay until that power that multiplied Between the Eyes.

No?

[balmy condor]

Idk either way outlaw has always been good and I hate outlaw

[nocturne current]

Ace Up Your Sleeves

[spice spire]

Don’t make me pull up painsmith prog

Or that key we ran together once

🤨

[drifting cloud]

wits

didnt exist at the start

[oak sky]

im an outlaw friend

[nocturne current]

Ah that. My weak aura nightmare.

[balmy condor]

I didnt enjoy it

[spice spire]

🤨

[vernal adder]

Should combine sin&sub to 1 spec tbh

Dont know why

[timid cloud]

One time, I beat Ryler on Tarragrue.

Because he went AFK to get pizza.

Also checking these parses, 50 people playing Sin total.

[pure moth]

yeah in raid now. think i just went ahead of your inerva parse

[timid cloud]

DAMN!

Dethroned again.

[pure moth]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/26#boss=2406&class=Rogue&spec=Assassination

[timid cloud]

I didn’t have the right ish on for sure.

I had Dust on….

[pure moth]

doh

[timid cloud]

[thorn frost]

!bs

[prisma monolith]

Macroing Ambush to Mutilate only works with the use of a addon.
It comes with the downside that it often requires multiple key presss.
Suggested addon to use(Gnome Sequencer):http://tiny.cc/mxb6tz
Showcase Video: #assassination message

[spice spire]

[split grail]

Sorry for the cluttered pic, but what proc/aura is causing the arcs around me?

[charred mango]

blindside procs

[balmy condor]

gotta ambush brother

[tall cove]

what poisons do we use now?

same as before or?

[balmy condor]

deadly > instant

[tall cove]

awesome, tyt

ty*

to the macro i go!

[strange python]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[tall cove]

wait, i can't put both, i'm confused

(i'm new to rogue)

[balmy condor]

correct

you need dragon tempered to do both

but you don't have enough points for it

that's why I said deadly > (greater than) instant

[tall cove]

is that our tree or rogue?

[balmy condor]

and not deadly AND instnat

[tall cove]

OH

[split grail]

Ugh, I don't have enough coordination for all these keybinds

[steel ridge]

Then select less active talents

[split grail]

I'm using the current reccomended talent setup

[oak sky]

god i love having blindside back

underrated

[misty comet]

are the new sound effects really fucking with anyone else?

[timid cloud]

The only one I’ve noticed difference in are CT & Deathmark

Also I don’t think Blindside was in the wowhead guide for ST…

In response to the guy who said he’s not used to that one. I could’ve missed something though.

Kinda rushed to raid with my setup for like 10m on the clock to setup.

[misty comet]

Shiv, Ambush, rupture as well.

[timid cloud]

Gonna make me log back on & check them.

[balmy condor]

I put it in one tree, and not the other

just because I can

[timid cloud]

For KB?

[balmy condor]

For sparta

[timid cloud]

I only saw one then for M+

[coral agate]

Just looked at hotfix notes for today and still no fixes for the multiple broken Assassination interactions.

[balmy condor]

there's 3 trees, kingsbane, starter, and m+

the kingsbane tree doesn't take blindside, the starter does

[split grail]

dumb question: We open with garrote, not bone spike right?

[balmy condor]

yup

[split grail]

ty

[subtle tundra]

Whispyr you should've put my build

😐

[balmy condor]

should've pantsgrabbed

[subtle tundra]

You do that already you Lil hoe

[timid cloud]

I got somethin' you can grab, hotrod.

[split grail]

My poison options keep changing their orientation and going off screen T_T

Hoping alot of these UI issues get fixed soon

[drifting cloud]

isnt that like an UI option, or was that elvui

[dark token]

Not in season 1 fyi

Sub and sin were the strongest m+ specs

[surreal nova]

elvui dropout icons just flatout dont work atm, at least mine doesnt

[dark token]

Sub In dungeons where u could abuse shuriken combo, sin in the other ones

[lethal coral]

.

[warm urchin]

where is the mini guide?

[surreal nova]

[warm urchin]

gracias

if carnage isnt up in hgih aoe situations, should i jsut be spamming fan + crimson? or re applying ruptures to every target

[balmy condor]

reapplying

you maintain CT for the dot

[warm urchin]

ahhh so the instant damage isnt worth it over multiple ruptures?

[burnt tartan]

not in a normal sized pull, maybe if you pull the whole dungeon at once it would be worth more 😄

[balmy condor]

CT spamming is never worth

[fleet imp]

Why do ppl open with garrote, mutilate and again garrote?

[balmy condor]

it extends the garrote

[fleet imp]

Is it 18s+ how much? Capping 24?

[balmy condor]

!pd

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[balmy condor]

so you get 18+5.4, and it's 2 seconds apart

so instead of 18 seconds you get 25.4

[fleet imp]

Makes a lot of sense thx king

[balmy condor]

np

also if you take shrouded

it's a solid 3 combo points

which is nice

[fleet imp]

Sin is looking very neat

Quite excited to play it again

[cobalt hemlock]

so deathmark doubles all your dots you have already on target or the ones you put up after you cast deathmark

[main solar]

Both

With no overhang (duplicated dots are removed when deathmark expires)

[timid cloud]

Good times, remember when we did the Classico gar-gar-rup? Or gar-rup-gar?

[warm urchin]

so what is the optimal opener as of now? garrote, mut, garrote, rupture, deathmark, then shiv?

[steel ridge]

arent you missing slice?

[royal lantern]

they are in the blessed future where SnD was removed

[warm urchin]

is it worth fitting slice before all of that>

[balmy condor]

gar slice gar mut rupture

or even better

gar slice gar sbs rupture

[steel ridge]

naaah slice and dice is just your best damage per effort ability you have

[balmy condor]

now you're cooking with gas

[warm urchin]

oooo i see

shiv is after or before deathmark though?

[balmy condor]

before and during

[warm urchin]

swag tyt

[cobalt hemlock]

doesnt 1 point slice fade by the time you apply all other dots?

and before you can get points and use envenom

[balmy condor]

nah

should be fine

but you run shrouded anyway

so it's 3cp

and that definitely lasts long enough

[cobalt hemlock]

didnt see shrouded in the talents you posted so where do we use that one?

[balmy condor]

wdym where do we use that one

[cobalt hemlock]

i mean do we use shrouded in single target or m+ or

[balmy condor]

yes

everywhere

[cobalt hemlock]

oh yeah we get more points in dragonflight

stupid prepatch brain

[balmy condor]

yap

when I talk, I never talk about prepatch

actually irrelevant content

0 reason to think about it

[cobalt hemlock]

yea you are right

[weak robin]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[fringe yoke]

am i the only one having a issue noticing if ive clicked on IC.. like the only indicator is garrote flashes up.. shouldnt it go on cd* or at least give me a visual indicator that the button was pressed?

not even the WA are showing it

[normal mist]

Both garr and rup should flash and the only way to see if you consumed the ic charge should be "they stopped flashing" or the buff itself disappeared

Since I keep getting the bug where after pressing one, (either garr or rup) the other stops flashing, i look at the buff

[fringe yoke]

yeah prob gona want a WA for that to track it easier... since having to look at garr/rup sucks

thanks for the info

[normal mist]

Good luck!

[subtle tundra]

Eh after the first time happened I just started keeping track in my mind and if never bothered me

[normal mist]

It stopped bothering me aswell since I was doing both casts after pressing IC

Also varas how the hell you doing ridiculous amounts of dps as assa (although barely behind a Brew)?

[graceful bane]

Is deathmark meant to be on GCD or bugged cause every time I press it, it makes me sad

[subtle tundra]

Do you know how much time you have to use ic after pressing it?

[subtle tundra]

Very intentional and won't change

[graceful bane]

😦

[normal mist]

I don't think there's a timer is there? And if it is, it's huge

[balmy condor]

2) yes, Deathmark will be remaining on the GCD. This part is non-negotiable and while I still welcome criticism and discussion about the merits of that decision, that is one of the foremost goals of the redesign in the first place, to have something worthy of a GCD. In terms of numbers thrown around for power, it's already outperforming what Vendetta would be doing in its place, and we'll see how it continues to shape up as tuning progresses. And yes, for PvP I understand that it's not as good as Vendetta was for surprising people with burst across the first 3-5sec of the ability, and that even if it's more total damage over 20sec that doesn't necessarily translate to more PvP desirability... hopefully it lands in a spot that is still 'good' even in PvP, just different

direct quote from the dev

[fringe yoke]

nop.. it jsut give you a buff and doesnt go away.. jsut press it and sit afk.. it wont go away

[graceful bane]

https://tenor.com/view/patrickpain-patricksomuchpain-patrickfleas-spongebobpain-spongebobsomuchpain-gif-18151897

[subtle tundra]

Cool

[balmy condor]

I don't really get the gcd hate honestly

[fringe yoke]

i wonder if now if you can double IC before a dungeon for a big pull

[subtle tundra]

It doesnt go on cd

[fringe yoke]

start with the buff... then mid pull use it

[graceful bane]

right just having to press that, kingsbane, and flag (though temporary) feels gross

[fringe yoke]

duh youre right ahaha

[subtle tundra]

Until both garrote and rupture are used

[marble hemlock]

That's cause it's a pointless complaint

[balmy condor]

does pressing envenom feel gross?

[subtle tundra]

Surely I didn't link vigilant guardian dps

[marble hemlock]

And it's not designed with flag being a part of the equation

[normal mist]

I said barely behind but it was barely ahead, bad English

[fringe yoke]

i dont even use* covs anymore.. i dont know if its trauma or just starting to relearn the class without them

[graceful bane]

Im fine with that cause I like something to do between bleeds but when I want to pump all my cooldowns I just want to rip it at once 😎

[balmy condor]

you can

for the low cost of 1 second

you can rip the strongest cooldown sin has ever had

[subtle tundra]

I mean if you pick the good things on the tree and play it properly you can definetly do ok dps this prepatch

[fringe yoke]

and tbh it feels good for me pressing it.. more than vendetta did

[graceful bane]

Very true, I'm mainly just being petty cause my macros

[normal mist]

I'm honestly just using whispyr m+ build

[subtle tundra]

Sure not outlaw dps but not bottom all the time like I was

[balmy condor]

sounds cope but okay

[subtle tundra]

And we still had 0 dps issue with any boss kills

[balmy condor]

I agree

[marble hemlock]

Yeah well, if you do heroic it's better to have the assa rogue hearth out so the boss scales HP to one less player.

[fringe yoke]

https://tenor.com/view/ouch-hurt-feelings-gif-23424502

[subtle tundra]

I'll have you know we killed sylvanas mythic while I was wearing zoldyck leggo

[normal mist]

... nice

Speaking of which I have no assa Lego since dusk isn't working

[marble hemlock]

At least 20% of the bosses abilities did 4% less damage :^)

[normal mist]

Raidbuff Pog... Right?

[subtle tundra]

I was more useful than the outlaw rogue cause I was playing master poisoned and he wasnt

[balmy condor]

he was also doing twice your damage

but you did it

0.6% damage reduction

pogging and sheeshing and batting and chesting

good job varas

[subtle tundra]

Thanks

The haters gonna hate

😔

[royal lantern]

you forgot that the abilitys that got reduced dmg, are supposed to be avoided anyway 🙂

[fallen arch]

what wa group do u guys recommend

I played with Luxthos but its not redone yet for DF so might as well try a diff one

[manic edge]

Hi! Picked up Assassination for the first time (well, I've poked before, but not much) last night. I have a pile of questions.

Realised by reading upwards a bit this morning that I'm not using my blindside procs, should I be ambushing from vanish when blindside is up, but vanish and deathmark share a cooldown, so I've been using garrote from vanish. Is ambush prio if I have a proc and garrote prio if I don't?

My melee numbers seem low, is this because I have low-ish haste, or because I'm uh... just not hitting the boss? 😅

I can provide the world's worst logs if anyone's interested (I have fixed deathmark/vanish being the wrong order since those logs, and upped my garrote/rupture uptime, but everything else still sucks)

[marble hemlock]

If you link logs I can open a thread for log analysis if you want

Beyond that, low melee percentage could be down to weapon ilvl or as you said, you not being in melee range for whatever reason.

Blindside allows casting Ambush without needing to be stealthed, so you don't wanna cast it during Vanish. The "ideal" vanish GCDs are a Garrote, then a finisher (so make sure to have like 2-3 CP before Vanishing), and another Garrote.

Low overall DPS is unlikely to be due to a few bad GCDs here or there, but more basic issues like having low Uptime on Rupture/Garrote/SnD/Envenom, being out of meleerange or not aligning cooldowns properly.

[spice spire]

Seli you beat me to it unlucky.

[marble hemlock]

[manic edge]

Thank-you! Logs are here https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/AV4XtJ6hqnf2gZ3F

Ohhh I didn't realise that. I'll make sure ambush is on my bars when I'm not in stealth 😅

[fading wigeon]

which rogue are you in this log

[manic edge]

Ahh, sorry, Vhyn

[limpid willow]

Im also somewhat new to rogue been playing for about 2 months now on mine and like Is anything but outlaw good like last time i played rogue was when combat was a thing in MoP, and assass is really fun with poison bomb but i feel lackluster compared to other classes/no util besides shroud in m+ and just out shinned by other specs of same ilvl or is just prepatch being prepatch

[spice spire]

In keys rogue is definitely a bit lackluster, unfortunately

[fallen arch]

prepatch isnt kind to us atm no

[limpid willow]

Ah okay, am enjoying them just hate how superior outlaw is compared to assass and sub glad to know prepatch hates us

[fallen arch]

No way to know if it will be better tho come DF

We might still be bad for m+, or at least super niche

[glossy agate]

Is Duskwalker Work now?

[limpid willow]

Fair.. guess time will tell

[fallen arch]

ye dusk is best to use now

[glossy agate]

so it reduce cd from Deathmark now?

[spice spire]

Not so far

As far as I know anyway, but I’ve been asleep for 6 hours so

[fallen arch]

Oh, idk about all that

But it should at some poin

t

[spice spire]

Pins

No pin updated so dusk still not working!

[hollow phoenix]

Does anyone know how to track empowered garrote? Cant find anywhere how i can do that

[kindred oriole]

It's probably broken with the prepatch, but there is a weakaura called "Assassination Logic" that does exactly that.

[wicked valve]

Would it be better for them to leave it broken? Gonna feel awful having 2 weeks of hyper reduced deathmark only for it to go away when we replace our legendary.

[spice spire]

I’m more on the line of “it’s two weeks, I’d prefer focus dragon flight stuff”

[pseudo hamlet]

Is kingsbane for now the highest DPS build for the pre-patch?

I mean for raiding and ST ofc

[spice spire]

Seems that way

[hollow phoenix]

Can you link it? i cant find it on wago there is just a guy complete rogue weak aura's set without any tracker for the empowered garrote

[keen aurora]

Sin seemed way better than it has all s4 in m+ for me, just took both FOK nodes as well as CT and Indiscriminate Carnage and could actually do some AOE damage

Given I was just running a 15 cuz my WAs were out of date and I was trying to learn all my new shiny buttons

[fleet imp]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[bitter badger]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[sharp lichen]

any String for assa spec?

[spice spire]

!guides

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[spice spire]

All guides should have strings for m+ and st

[neat plank]

i'm sick of Outlaw and wanna do assassination for DF cause I like the idea of using 4 poisons at a time, but I'm also a m+ main player, how bad is it gonna be for me? :p

when I join groups and people see my spec, will they rage internally?

[spice spire]

As long as you’re not a shitter, they shouldn’t

Blunt answer sorry

[subtle tundra]

my hero quake

[spice spire]

I mean unless you’re mega pushing over 25s it legit will not matter as long as you’re not a shitter to be fair

[subtle tundra]

wellll..

it will matter first week

cause rewards will scale to +20

[spice spire]

You know what I mean

For most people, if you have to ask it probably doesn’t matter

[subtle tundra]

i want to go for realm first +20 but at the same time what if outlaw is so much better

[neat plank]

my plan is to clear up to +20

[subtle tundra]

then i dont want to

[subtle tundra]

first week?

[neat plank]

no

[subtle tundra]

then it doesnt matter

just play assa

[gleaming geyser]

theres never going to be perfect balance, so with that mindset, you will always have to pick the strongest spec or literally reroll a different class

[subtle tundra]

ofc

but assa has been at times close to outlaw in m+

[neat plank]

has it? thats good news

[subtle tundra]

im not asking assa to be the best spec

but if assa does mediocre aoe with IC and then dogshit ST while outlaw pumps both st and aoe in m+ then ofc assa is complete dogshit

[neat plank]

im counting on assa being high single target

thats the spec fantasy idea isnt it ;O

[subtle tundra]

not really

[neat plank]

;/

[subtle tundra]

its consistant dps

i think that assa tuning requires a lot of changes to make it good in m+

tuning which it will not get

[neat plank]

why not? 😛

[spice spire]

We don’t know this point

But in general, a lot of our aoe abilities have also been decent ST. Like for current shadowlands pre-df talent change - if you tune CT to be absurd aoe, you end up breaking the ST of sin because it was already used on us and we were decent single target

IC adds a layer of complexity as well, but I have hope

[dense yoke]

any zuljin enjoyers 😭

[violet jackal]

I still think it’s fine for specs to fill niche of better single target or better aoe

[sharp peak]

If 1 spec does everything well, there's no reason to play the others

[subtle tundra]

well i dont have hope in blizz

[neat plank]

like ww monk ;O

[subtle tundra]

ww will get nerfed

[spice spire]

Don’t push cynicism

[subtle tundra]

word i dont understand

therefore your opinion dont count

[dawn condor]

It would be good progress if fok would give more then one combopoint. Or did i do something wrong?

[subtle tundra]

🤓 fok cp gen is the problem surely

[dawn condor]

Its not the dps solution, but it feels horrible

[neat plank]

get seal fate?

[versed sinew]

did this also proc on deadly poision or I'm going insane?

[unreal flax]

by itself without the bleed?

[versed sinew]

basically when deadly poision dealt poison damage from dot you would regain some energy

[slate sequoia]

Does anyone have a WA that can differentiate between whether a target is affected by an empowered garrote or just a normal garrote?

[gusty mirage]

are you also playing dashing scoundrel?

[gusty mirage]

I believe luxthos was updating their WA packs last night

might be worth checking out on WAGO

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[gusty mirage]

!wa

hm

nvm

I think afenar might be updated although may be a lil scuffed

I do know guy did an update to afenar

[slate sequoia]

Yea I checked Luxthos, but did not work

I politely asked Afenar who said he would update it evetually, but he is busy atm obviously

[versed sinew]

no, I didn't even reach 60 level yet, but before the 10.0 I was able to regenerate energy quickly in multi target sceneraio

now I bearly do any dps

[sand elm]

ive been using it and it seems fine so far. only issue is when u first load it the combo points are bugged and u need to relog to sort em

[royal lantern]

it didnt show pandemic timers last time i used it 2-3 days ago

made it near unplayable for my pea brain

[sand elm]

mightve been updated then cos its working fine for me atm

[gusty mirage]

I can't personally speak on afenar, I have the secret Tisu modified atrocity WAs

😛

[sand elm]

lol

[gusty mirage]

are you keeping up bleeds & poisons on everything? If so, energy shouldn't be an issue but it's possible that something got scuffed on the backend because VW used to be a level 46(?) talent.

What level are you right now?

[slate sequoia]

Sounds big! I guess Ill wait for Afenar. Tried programming it myself, but im too dumb

[gusty mirage]

nah you're not dumb, putting in pandemic timers require some indepth knowledge about WAs

and if you're stupid, so am I

[royal lantern]

we all are stupid together

[versed sinew]

55ish but beforehand I could go fan of knives to apply posion on all targets and I would quickly regen energy

[royal lantern]

waiting for our addon/wa overlords to turn the game playable

[versed sinew]

now it doesn't work

[gusty mirage]

I would double check to make sure you're maintaining ruptures & garrotes in multi-target situations. Also venomous was nerfed from 7 energy per bleed tick to 6 on the talent tree so it's possible you're feeling that difference as well

[sand elm]

the energy regen is from bleeds not poisons

its bleeds ON a poisoned target

so the poisons alone wont do anything without dashing scoundrel

[gusty mirage]

so it would require maintaining more bleeds to get that same energy saturation we had before

[versed sinew]

well, so question was it poisions as well before 10.0?

[subtle tundra]

Nothing changed

[neat plank]

how do you guys swap targets in m+ to apply bleeds toe verything, tabbing, clicking or something else? 😄

[subtle tundra]

It was the same

[subtle tundra]

Tab targeting

[gusty mirage]

I tab target, some people prefer mouseover macros for rupture/garrote

but I feel like that can be a mess

in really really big packs, I do click on the name plates & rupture

[neat plank]

what if one simply chooses to.. not keep up the dots on everything and isteand just spams aoe abilities 😄 would dps be horrendous

[subtle tundra]

Like nobody does that wtf

[gusty mirage]

oh sweet child

[subtle tundra]

Yes

[sand elm]

i tab target as well

[neat plank]

but dont m+ packs die too fast to be worth applying dots?

[violet jackal]

action target is very

[gusty mirage]

just search mouseover and rupture varas and you'll see some insanity

[versed sinew]

core of this spec is to apply dots

no dots no damage

[teal bloom]

Either you apply dots and do bad aoe or dont apply dots and do no aoe

[neat plank]

do you ever feel bad about targets dying with half the remaining dot uptime left on them? is that a bad user experience?

[violet jackal]

sounds like a personal issue that shouldn't exist

[gusty mirage]

there is a decision to make when putting up ruptures, if the mob's going to die you just slam an envenom into it

[subtle tundra]

Then do the key higher

[gusty mirage]

putting up a full rupture on a target that's going to die in like 4s is kind of a waste

[versed sinew]

if it dies with bleed you will gain some energy

[gusty mirage]

^

[neat plank]

ah thats good, you get something out of it then

[gusty mirage]

that's also a little min max you can do

if something's about to die, like an add on a boss fight, you can snipe it with a 1-2cp rupture

and get free energy from it

but that's a little too min-maxy

[neat plank]

would that be worth it? youre still paying the full rupture energy cost for 1-2cp

and an entire gcd of time

[gusty mirage]

it refunds based on the remaining duration

[violet jackal]

it's worth

[gusty mirage]

it's almost always a positive in the energy department

[neat plank]

ah ok

[gusty mirage]

but tbh I wouldn't even worry about that

if something's about to die, just slam an envenom

because in m+ chances are you're already super saturated on energy anyway with bleeds up on everything

rupture sniping for energy is very very niche

[plain onyx]

hey guys, i see a lot of rogues go Orc race for racials, is there a slightly like 1 to 10% dps difference between orc and blood elfs or its just for the mogs ?

[elder remnant]

Goblin race master race

[gusty mirage]

mostly mog purposes, a lot of the rogues going orc for racials are pvpers

but iirc that got nerfed going into DF

so now you can kinda pick whatever you like best

bonus points for goblin rogues because their stealth animation is hilarious

If you want to sim the DPS difference for yourself, slap this under your simc input

in a raidbots advanced sim

you'll see it's very very small

[plain onyx]

alright thanks, appreciate the info oxi

[white temple]

Dude

Taurens

[gusty mirage]

[gusty mirage]

based

[white temple]

I just don't reroll my rogue to tauren because I have like 12 years with her being human

But I was starting a toon on another realm

Taurens.

Beefnstealthy.

[sand elm]

SneekiBeef

[outer cairn]

I just saw his video and it said he would have ours before 15 November

[outer cairn]

Go Cow Rogue and live the dream

Mootilate

[strong epoch]

Invisibull

[violet jackal]

fan of hooves

[vestal wren]

is that the updated version from the faq, the old one throws some errors

[gusty mirage]

old one probably

[vestal wren]

#subtlety-faq message

^ would be the new one

[gusty mirage]

oh

look the same

[bitter sphinx]

Have our legendaries changed with the prepatch or is it still unity + Duskwalker?

[sand elm]

duskwalker doesnt work currently

check pins

[hidden crown]

duskwalker is supposed to work with the New ability Deathmark but doesnt work atm :<

[gusty mirage]

we play deathly until dusk gets fixed

[sand elm]

assuming it gets fixed before df

might get a week or 2 of use from it if lucky

[white temple]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[willow panther]

i did a faction change the day before prepatch forgetting about taurens. so tonight I am paying for a race change. bliz gets all my money because i am a dumb

[white temple]

Yeah well

Rogue taurens fuck up totally the lore, but

Live the dream

[sand elm]

tauren rogues make more sense than tauren mages

[night delta]

Not so much the lore but basic consistency

[white temple]

Well, can't argue with a tauren @night delta

[night delta]

Pretty sure there are grimtotem rogue NPCs

[white temple]

Makes sense. They freed the lock for mages too?

[night delta]

Yeah

That indeed make way less sense lorewise

Though you could argue anyone can learn arcane magic

[rocky ruin]

Just a strange question does anyone has problem with alacrity to getting 5 stacks

[night delta]

But not every race would consider this by lore

[viscid spear]

Lightforged Draenei Death Knight

Existence is pain

[white temple]

Waiting for Orc DHs

[sturdy merlin]

Yeah you can drop it sometimes, it’s not a bug it’s how the new alacrity works

[viscid spear]

Lower % chance, no longer guaranteed

[rocky ruin]

in the raid I didn't pay attention to it

[viscid spear]

You're used to it being there constantly because every finisher always refreshed and/or added a stack so you don't notice when RNG kicks in and you drop stacks

[paper pawn]

hello, can bonespike stack? does it deal 3x dmg if i use it 3x on a enemy?

[sand elm]

no just 1 stack per target

[paper pawn]

ok, thank you

[shut pollen]

!weak aura

[balmy condor]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[shut pollen]

ty whispyr

[timid cloud]

Finally the Afenar WA, my fav.

[gaunt karma]

Is anyone feeling super energy starved outside of shadowlands?

[neat plank]

why is crit important to assassination?

[oblique jackal]

seal fate

[neat plank]

how could i forget 😛

[sour elm]

are there any assassination pvp trees out and about?

[dense shuttle]

I have a question, how exactly does duskwalkers work now? since vendetta doesnt exist anymore, does it do the same for Deathmark?

[sand elm]

it doesnt currently

but it would be the same effect just on deathmark

waiting on a hotfix for it

[cobalt hemlock]

ye its bugged so we are using deathly

[dense shuttle]

I noriced that

[dense yoke]

imagine they fix it the day before df kekw

[dense shuttle]

talking single target, is deathly better than scoundrel

?

also heard zoldyks is decent tho very niche

[sand elm]

think deathly is the recommended till its fixed

but really its not like it matters much. theyll be useless in a few weeks so use whatever i guess

[dense shuttle]

aight

[cobalt hemlock]

if you like m+ with ic the bonus dmg can be cool

[oblique jackal]

is doomblade worth taking? it does no damage

[thin gate]

doomblade does damage?

i mean im currently on a puppet testing it its called in details "Mutilated Flesh (Dot)" and yes its recommendet.

dont think its worth taking it as legendary if thats what your about, because we want to path down on it anyway for sbs and i think it wont stack with talent + leggo

[oblique jackal]

Yeah, im referring to the talent

why is SBS so good?

[white temple]

Energy X damage I think

[grim breach]

Doomblade empowers via Lethal Dose for 2% extra on all, was that not the whole point of taking it? It's personal damage was always meh.

[strange python]

Whats the best legendary to run atm? im using Doomblade atm.

[timid cloud]

Deathly. But only because Duskwalkers is bugged.

[oblique jackal]

has anyone tried bloodfang leggo

[spice spire]

You thought Doomblade did 0 damage

Buddy do I have a legendary for you

[oblique jackal]

hahaha

just trying to figure out new things

[brazen zodiac]

lmao

[strange python]

what poison is better? Deadly or Amplyfying

[balmy condor]

Amp single target after the mastery fix

Otherwise deadly

[strange python]

@balmy condor ty 🙂

[thick sable]

What was the mastery fix? And is this live on prepatch?

[balmy condor]

As of now amp poison isn’t affected by mastery

[thick sable]

Makes sense. Thanks!

[sand elm]

i switched off amp to twist the knife while we're not using amp

so much easier keeping envenom up

[solid mica]

Does sin do dmg yet?

[balmy condor]

Is it still prepatch?

[solid mica]

Yeah jw if they tuned it yet tho

I wanna run some keys with the new aoe talent

[balmy condor]

they have not done any tuning to rogue in prepatch

and you can rest assured that pre-patch will not be tuned in any regard

any changes that do happen are aimed firmly at dragonflight

the next month will be a mess and it's not changing

[limber lion]

Go at it, you can do like +20's without any worry.

Go have fun

At the end of the day people probably don't care if you time dungeons or not, everyone wants to test the new talents in m+ environments

Unless you join a push group, but I'd actively avoid those personally if you want to test stuff out

[solid mica]

Yea I just wanted to get a feel for it, guess final word wont be till later then but I'll give it a go. Thank chaps

[tame mulch]

Forgive me if I missed this, but didn't see any information in the FAQ or Googling. Is Elaborate Planning a window we actively game and try to cram in as many abilities as possible during, or is it just a talent I lock in and completely ignore? I read snapshotting is gone from WoW outside of Feral, but applying bleeds during EP does appear to affect their damage. Asking because playing around it too hard seems to make the rotation feel clunky.

[balmy condor]

you mostly just ignore it and let it happen

the uptime is around 80+% already

so there's not much to gain from trying to max it out

regarding the snapshotting stuff, EP does increase the damage of bleeds, but like 99% of buffs, if the effect drops, the bleed damage goes back to normal as well

no need to get EP up, and then cast rupture for example

just play it normally, and as EP goes up and down, the rupture will adjust alongside it

there might be some edge cases where you should wait to maximize uptime, usually with envenom when you already have EP/envenom up. We call that pooling, and you would just sit and wait until you're close to overcapping on energy to fire off that second envenom to maximize uptime

but it's a pretty minimal gain and typically not something you need to worry about

[tame mulch]

Thanks for the clarification, got confused since if I apply Rupture and mouse over the debuff it deals X damage per tick, and if I apply Rupture during EP it deals >X damage per tick, and if I mouse over the EP Rupture again once the EP buff falls off, it still shows the >X tick damage. The Envenom pooling makes a lot of sense, just wasn't sure if I should treat EP as the thing I pool around. Made the rotation feel rough though, so I will happily take your advice and ignore it in most cases. Haven't played Assassination in years and looking forward to it!

[balmy condor]

it feels pretty good right now, Im glad you're excited!

feel free to ask about anything else as well, more than happy to help

[deep nimbus]

no nobody here is happy to help actually please no questions only complaining

this is #bitch-and-moan

[balmy condor]

someone say moan?

[oak sky]

😈

[drifting cloud]

[kind talon]

Wait did they change current tier set

Cause vendetta doesn’t exist

[balmy condor]

tier is disabled in prepatch

[kind talon]

Oh

My 2 braincells went into overdrive for that thought too

Unreal

[heady merlin]

wonder how sub is doing havent played sub since Legion

[balmy condor]

it's fine

[heady merlin]

ya might try something different

[magic fossil]

exist life for us pre patch?

or outlaw dominated all

[pseudo hamlet]

What happens if you go Necro + SBS talent?
SBS does twice as much damage or something?

[balmy condor]

Outlaw

[balmy condor]

You get to use fleshcraft

[pseudo hamlet]

Oof

Thought that Necro would still have at least some bonus for going SBS in talents. But yeah... prepatch

[balmy condor]

The talent versions override all others

Dashing talent overrides the legendary

Zoldyck talent overrides the legendary

ER overrides kyrian

[north nest]

so what interaction does sin have with atrophic poison to make it stronger, and what is the math on it

[balmy condor]

None, and that makes the math easier

You get atrophic, it’s 3%, if you talent into master poisoner next to it it’s 3.6%

And that’s it

[north nest]

aha, so its the same for outlaw and sin

[balmy condor]

Yep

[sick aspen]

is ma working with dance?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[north nest]

thank yous

[balmy condor]

Pleasure

[plain onyx]

crit/haste is still our main stats ?

[balmy condor]

right now yes

[plain onyx]

👍🏻 🤝

[jade abyss]

m+ aswell ?

[balmy condor]

sure

[glacial cape]

Was hoping to see if assassination will be great for m+, but I'm assuming outlaw will prob be the top runner hey?

[balmy condor]

yep

especially right now where outlaw is 10k above sin in prepatch

[glacial cape]

Gross, I've been fooling around with outlaw, and i don't care for it one bit

[plain onyx]

i don't care😒 , as long as "Indiscriminate Carnage" is by my side I'm happy

[balmy condor]

welllllllllllllllllllll

dtb is looking pretty good for m+

[glacial cape]

Outlaw got too much crap to be pressing, as dumb as that sounds

[balmy condor]

carnage is a lil underwhelming

[balmy condor]

sounds great to me

[glacial cape]

as in you like pressing more, or making fun of me xD?

[balmy condor]

as in hating outlaw is a great opinion

[glacial cape]

Love to hear it haha

I wouldn't even mind sub, but seems the worst of all

[balmy condor]

sub has a solid chance in m+ in dragonflight

[glacial cape]

Fingers crossed

[jade abyss]

Cries about all his crit mastery gear xD

[balmy condor]

guess what, that's also great

:)

[subtle tundra]

guess what, stats barely matter

[balmy condor]

[viscid spear]

stacks Intellect

[normal mist]

A smart rogue

[glossy agate]

How much are you Guys sim Single Target?

[sturdy merlin]

I'm currently sitting at 25 785 dps but it's prepatch sims tho

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tkFHqv7YsomwviAeazXCEE

[uneven summit]

Is it just me or does indiscriminate carnage just feel kinda meh?

[glossy agate]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8PhDUSF1EhKeGYd3ikspKm okay looks close

[balmy condor]

I love it honestly

[balmy condor]

sheesh kinda cranking

[glossy agate]

is it just gear difference or why im siming 4k less ( not so good at simming sry)

[sturdy merlin]

I tried to sim your talent tree and the result was a bit lower

but yeah gear matters

i'm full of bis/max ilvl items

[balmy condor]

Its for sure a gear thing

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/aWSvFxyojDiEhBGF9ZGM6R

technically he can go even higher

but like

10 ilvl

is a fuck ton

[sturdy merlin]

please no

[balmy condor]

I mean

I'm not saying you HAVE TO

I'm saying you CAN

[sturdy merlin]

Yeah but i will now

I'm also trying to figure out if WPS is still working

but the results are too random

[balmy condor]

it shoudn't

[glossy agate]

Exsang into DM ist must this way or can I DM Exang too

[sturdy merlin]

If you use exsang after DM you will halve your DM duration

So exsang before dm

[glossy agate]

ahh okay that makes sensew

[sturdy merlin]

@balmy condor How do you play with exsang ? on cooldown ? Do you need to force refresh dots before using it ?

Last time i used this was in bfa

[balmy condor]

On cooldown maxing pandemic beforehand

[sturdy merlin]

By saying maxing pandemic do you mean that i must reapply dots regardless of time remaining on the current ones ?

[pseudo hamlet]

Do shiv debuff also works with pandemic? So can I use the second one even though the last one didn't fall off yet(but is <30%)?

[balmy condor]

Yup

[balmy condor]

Idk honestly

[proper tapir]

I tested this on the beta like 2 weeks ago and it didn't pandemic.

[jade abyss]

maybe it doesnt pandemic bcs its not a dot ?

i mean all things that have a pandemic effect are dots ?

[balmy condor]

Envenom pandemics

[jade abyss]

oh okay

then nvm

[balmy condor]

Then*

[proper tapir]

So does thistle tea mastery buff

[balmy condor]

Aight Merk calm down with the cursed testing

Shiv pandemic is like maybe useful sometimes

But you gotta chill

Tea pandemic

[ornate dawn]

lord

[tardy sluice]

.

[sturdy merlin]

30 minutes of exsang on dummy and i already want to UNINSTALL

[proper tapir]

I just love it so much 🍆

[misty holly]

I spent my last dinar and upgrade tokens yesterday to get a 304 Veinripper for the transmog, and figured might as well try outlaw with it. Holy shit do you hit hard.

stuff just explodes in 3 gobals.

I feel like I was playing hard mode all expansion now lol

[clever agate]

Anyone got an addon/Weakaura for combopoints? But just the default Combopoints look none of that square shit etc

[limber lion]

Why not just use the ingame personal resource thingy at that point?

[clever agate]

bc you cant move it where you want unless you take the whole frame and its family with it

[glossy agate]

is it possible to hide standard combopoints from Blizz?

[misty holly]

Have you tried Basic Combo Points?

[pseudo hamlet]

Nug Combo Bar is the best for me.

Fully editable and easy to use.

[grand kiln]

Hey guys, am i trippin or duskwalker's patch doesn't work with deathmark?

[marble hemlock]

It does not. It's a bug. It might or might not get fixed soon.

[tight fox]

was going to ask the same

rip