assassination

[thick burrow]

Its probably on rotation section, even if its for 10.0 i am assuming CT prio is the same for pre patch

[strange python]

Is deathmark new vendetta ?

[cobalt hemlock]

yes

[strange python]

I was confused thanks ^^

[remote orchid]

hello all , do u have a really good spec for single target?

[main blaze]

Sure

[weak isle]

https://wago.io/B16NPOV4X

Pretty sure all of mine work too

[jolly turtle]

anyone with a working poison reminder wa already?

[bold drum]

guess not bc i was just trying to find one aswell

[jolly turtle]

i found one

or made one

[west tiger]

is there still this google doc for assa talent builds?

[strange python]

What're the bis trinkets in prepatch? Kihras still giga?

[gusty mirage]

looking that way ye

[gusty mirage]

ye should be in the pins in #tww-assassination unless something has changed in that horrifying place

[west tiger]

alright ill check that out

ah found it. ty buddy

[gusty mirage]

np my friend

[thorn fjord]

Your addons are the issue 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[gusty mirage]

[remote orchid]

Is possible to link the talent for single dude?

[strange python]

Kihras+? I don't have a second dagger just yet so don't know how to effectively droptimizer sim.

[gusty mirage]

I'm running hateful chain + kihras rn

but decanter/scars/cache/fusion amp all good as well

[outer cairn]

is DF Vessel any good for Sin?

[strange python]

Amp has been doing absolutely ludicrous damage as outlaw

[gusty mirage]

not terrible, but not top tier unfortunately

[outer cairn]

Yeah I have to look and see if I still have a 291 decanter. I have a 304 eye of command and 291 amp right now. Was simmed as my top prior to prepatch, but not sure what is "best" righ tnow

[gusty mirage]

you can safely top gear it now, everything is stable enough to give you a good idea of what to use

[outer cairn]

Great. I haven't checked Raidbot today. Will say KB build seemed pretty good last night. We only did heroic CN cause we didn't have enough for mythic, but the damage seems to be there, albeit the bosses did pretty much fall over as soon as we breathed on them. I gotta readjust to cleaving with Sin again since I'm not just hitting BF anymore.

[brazen zodiac]

xd

[fallen plover]

how are people feeling about deathmark btw, I did some mythic SoD last night and it feels way worse to me than Vendetta does

[spice spire]

Why

[sudden hound]

i dont think it feels worse. its definitely a learning curve getting used to the fact taht its on gcd but otherwise it feels fine

[subtle tundra]

maybe compared to 4set vendetta

[spice spire]

(I’m not here to instigate, legitimate question!)

[subtle tundra]

but vendetta by itself was extremely boring

the only exciting part about it was the 60 energy for 3 seconds

now this is a good build

or maybe go ds insted of mfd and play nf

less button

[spice spire]

Infamous 0 capstone build

[subtle tundra]

less button more BRAIN

i wonder if ill outdps the tanks

we shall see

found an upgrade

remove improved garrote and go ttb

im ungovernable

[brazen zodiac]

quake!!

r u enjoying pre-patch? :D

[spice spire]

Haven’t had a chance to play!

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

I’m working 14 hour days plus 4 hours in drive time this week

[gusty mirage]

varas has lost it everybody

he's gone off the deep end

[brazen zodiac]

darn :( neither have i, waiting for somethin

working man

[subtle tundra]

youll see the results later

[brazen zodiac]

have fun once u get around!

varas!

[subtle tundra]

hey

[gusty mirage]

whatever the result is, it'll be about ~10k dps lower than outlaw

[subtle tundra]

yes

but guess what

my rotation couldnt be simpler

[gusty mirage]

it's okay

the "best" set up is also 10k below outlaw

outlaw very balanced

[coarse tusk]

Its probably more of an issue that sin sucks tuning wise

[strange python]

And 30k below balance

[fallen arch]

And 50k below ww

[subtle tundra]

probably 30sec cd convoke is funky

[fallen arch]

60k below affliction

[oblique jackal]

Do you DM then vanish?

[gusty mirage]

based on the secret knowledge you have of what the numbers should be?

[spice spire]

That’s false I’ve seen affliction sims /s

[coarse tusk]

based on where it is compared to the rest of the classes

[gusty mirage]

"the rest of the classes"

okay

so assassination is currently tank tier dps?

[coarse tusk]

if outlaw was at sin level rogues might just not play till df release

[subtle tundra]

yes

i will confirm it

[gusty mirage]

okay then confirm it

show logs

[subtle tundra]

im raiding tonight

[gusty mirage]

sounds good

make sure you top gear your build against other builds

and play numerically the best one

[subtle tundra]

are you doubting me and my build?

[gusty mirage]

no

we need a control

[gusty mirage]

I saw it

I also saw only 1 tank is doing more dps than dps

so again, I'll ask the question I asked above. Is assassination undertuned based on some secret knowledge you have about blizzard's intended final balance?

or is it based on useless prepatch logs

where tuning isn't even complete for DF launch?

[oblique jackal]

I assume people have already mentioned combo points being bugged?

[subtle tundra]

ill show you i can do tank dps

[brazen zodiac]

prepatch logs xd

[royal cliff]

anyone know of an addon that shows ilvl/m+ score on mouseover? without elvui i dont have that capability

[coarse tusk]

Wtf are you talking about? You suggested that Outlaw wasn't balanced because it was it was 10k over assasination

Since you don't know what "Blizzards tuning Levels are". You also can't say that Outlaw is the outlier because you don't know where they are going for

Im just showing you where outlaw is compared the the rest of the world

[gusty kestrel]

and none of that matters cause its prepatch

no one cares about any balance rn

[sinful cradle]

Pretty sure pushed prepatch to have more testers

🧠

[sand elm]

its a sad day when ur on the same level as survival hunter

[lusty crag]

i have problem with shadowstep, when i use the macro (/cast [@focus] Shadowstep) it ports me to the target insted ot the focus target ,if i dont have any target i go to the focused target ,anyone have the same problem?

[gusty mirage]

What am I talking about? I'm talking about the fact that at level 60 outlaw is doing as much damage as sub/assassination are at level 70

You're the one who came in and said assassination was undertuned

Crazy how at level 60 outlaw is performing 10k dps higher than the other 2 rogue specs

and looking at it from that isolated bubble, shows that outlaw is a bit overtuned in the rogue bubble

I don't give a fuck what balance is simming

I don't play a druid

but go on king

[coarse tusk]

-A 60 Outlaw is not doing more damage than a 70 sub, sin rogue
-Outlaw has a legendary it's not going to have in DF
-There's no point in comparing it in a bubble if the other 2 specs do crap damage
-We're not playing in a raid of only Rogue specs, we should care where we are balanced compared to the rest of the classes.
-What you're suggesting is Outlaw should be as crap as the other 2 so we can all ride the bench.

[subtle tundra]

Yes outlaw should be crap

Fuck outlaw

[burnt latch]

what conduits u guys playing for m+

[gusty mirage]

• Yes it is
• That is a factor yes
• There is 110% a factor in comparing in a bubble, because not everyone multi-classes. This is a ROGUE discord, so yes looking at it from the ROGUE bubble is relevant.
• Balance across classes will get settled closer to DF release, if the disparity is still this bad at level 70 then yes there is an issue that should be addressed
• No I'm not, see point 1.

[coarse tusk]

Have you even tested the raids?

[gusty mirage]

Yes I have

[next edge]

Do you know who are you talking to or

[subtle tundra]

There's no conduits on beta

[next edge]

[coarse tusk]

I was doing way more damage than outlaw

[burnt latch]

pre patch

[coarse tusk]

right now as sin rogue

in the last test

[gusty mirage]

You did more damage with fully crafted gear

[subtle tundra]

If you play prepatch you're kind of a loser

[gusty mirage]

I saw your logs

[next edge]

True

[gusty mirage]

go create a new rogue

level 70

in the starter gear

and go do 35k

which is what outlaw is simming at right now at level 60

[coarse tusk]

Im not going to be playing in greens

[gusty mirage]

oh okay

[coarse tusk]

might as well be playing naked

[gusty mirage]

yep

same thing

you're right

how silly of me

[burnt latch]

one rogue spec will do more damage than the other

factual take

[coarse tusk]

I was playing the raids at what blizzard tuned my ilvl to be

[burnt latch]

if u care about performance u play that

[subtle tundra]

And that will be assa

[coarse tusk]

it's not like i was overgearing it

[subtle tundra]

Ty

[burnt latch]

mby

mby not

[gusty mirage]

lol

[subtle tundra]

I want assa to be overturned so I can push 20 first week on it instead of cuck outlaw

[gusty mirage]

this is a pointless conversation

[subtle tundra]

😭😭😭😭😭

[next edge]

Are you suggesting

that all 3 specs

dont do

the exact same dmg?

[coarse tusk]

It's pointless to test in the green gear because no one stays in green gear

[burnt latch]

yeah

also green gear is usually worse than blue gear

and epic gear is better than blue

its crazy

[coarse tusk]

I don't think i wore a single green leveling up in shadowlands

[subtle tundra]

How do you know? You have beta?

[burnt latch]

yes

i also am a beta

[subtle tundra]

Gah

[spice spire]

[next edge]

Okay every time you type I understand even less

what point

are you trying to make

[burnt latch]

[gusty mirage]

false, you're an alpha

[spice spire]

This conversation is really going nowhere we should just

End it

[subtle tundra]

I will

[next edge]

So you try to say that Sin tuning is shit

and then jump into not using greens

im lsot

[gusty mirage]

I guess our theorycrafters are wrong too

because the almighty jinjita said they are

[subtle tundra]

Whispyr is always wrong

Cause he can't be my right

[coarse tusk]

He was making a statement that 60 outlaw was doing more than a 70 rogue and I thought he was comparing it to raid testing and it turns out he was comparing it to a shitty green geared rogue hitting dummies

[gusty mirage]

and you were comparing yourself to outlaw rogues who were wearing shitty green gear + tier set

so ggs

"I regularly beat outlaw rogues"

[royal lantern]

i too sometimes beat people that are fresh max lvl and play with 500ms with my fully geared character

sometimes

[coarse tusk]

I was saying I was beating the dps of a 60 Outlaw during raid testing

[royal lantern]

[next edge]

Im r1 on LFR

try to beat that

[gusty mirage]

oh damn

you beat 35k dps wearing a tier set and scaled up to almost 100 ilvl higher than right now

congrats bro

[coarse tusk]

Im just saying you're wrong in your dumb statement

[gusty mirage]

with full talent points

[coarse tusk]

and now you're congratsing me?

[next edge]

But what point you try to make

Outlaw is really strong and you're just supporting that fact

[coarse tusk]

I was making the point that a 60 rogue isn't beating a 70 rogue

[gusty mirage]

He's literally just proving my point

and he doesn't realize it

[next edge]

Yeah he is

The simple fact that you compare your spec to one with 10 lvls less

[wooden dawn]

cannot believe the amount of idiocracy over prepatch rofl

[next edge]

makes the point of outlaw being super strong

[wooden dawn]

wtf is happening in this channel

[spice spire]

My brother in Christ.
If you’re the same ilvl (same damn gear) a 60 outlaw is beating a 70 sin rogue rn.

What are you missing

I’m confused

As to what is being missed

[gusty mirage]

I'm being "schooled" over my "dumb statement" by the almighty rogue god jinjita

[royal lantern]

prepatch+big number differences=hot takes come in like crazy

[coarse tusk]

it isn't the same gear

[spice spire]

Brother

[next edge]

god

[spice spire]

There’s no shot you’re this dense

[coarse tusk]

you have a legendary

[spice spire]

READ

[stuck knoll]

If you just make the numbers equal

An outlaw with 10 less levels does more

[royal lantern]

ONE SIM

[stuck knoll]

If they are wearing gear with the same ilvl

That is the words

Being said

[spice spire]

Guy appreciation moment.

[gusty mirage]

If it required a tier set, the best gear you could get your hands on in beta, and raid buffs to beat the damage that a class is doing at level 60 in CURRENT gear idk what to tell you

[heady merlin]

So played shadow lands first month of release and then dipped to classic. I am back and wanted to get insight on how my favor rouge spec is doing right now

[royal lantern]

read what the green name above you said rn

[next edge]

You'll be fine

Sin is having a really cool gameplay interactions

[coarse tusk]

the 60 is also in raid buffs too so that's a moot point

[gusty mirage]

Tuning isn't finalized, and will continue throughout pre-patch

[royal lantern]

bruh

[next edge]

BRO

for fuck sake

[coarse tusk]

and all the classes are that way right now

[gusty mirage]

assassination's looking pretty decent rn, but needs some help

[coarse tusk]

so outlaw is hardly an outlier

[heady merlin]

oh word. ya never carried about meta anyways just enjoyed playing it

[gusty mirage]

yeah we get some really cool buttons in DF

[royal lantern]

outlaw at lvl 60 does the same dmg assassination at lvl70 with tier set+full bis does, almost 100ilvl differences

no problems btw

[gusty mirage]

and finally 2 step charges

[royal lantern]

[coarse tusk]

so does every class that is currently above outlaw

which is a lot

[spice spire]

I mean it doesn’t - it just does the same as it at 70. The rest put it above. But that’s not the issue

[next edge]

Tuning is not done

do you think WW will stay that way?

like for real

[coarse tusk]

it's not just WW

[spice spire]

Okay

Do you think any of x will stay that way

[royal lantern]

most of the extreme overperforming stuff gets nerfed, look at balance druid

[next edge]

And so will WW rly soon

[royal lantern]

nerfed over and over again in the last few weeks

[coarse tusk]

It doesn't matter

its prepatch

once everyone loses their covenant ability and legendaries, some of the numbers will drop

[next edge]

Yes?

[royal lantern]

according to some bigbrain take on the cursed website called reddit: it doesnt matter if WW is overtuned, NOBODY will roll monk only because its overtuned

[coarse tusk]

but outlaw isn't some crazy outlier in the current prepatch

[spice spire]

This whole thing started because of a prepatch statement tho

[royal lantern]

[next edge]

like thats what everyone knows?

[spice spire]

That’s the confusing part, outlaw was just an example

[next edge]

[subtle tundra]

Delete outlaw ty

[coarse tusk]

he's litterally saying outlaw was unbalanced and comparing it to 70 classes when he should be comparing it to the 60 prepatch classes

[stuck knoll]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-bart-simpson-grampa-simpson-old-man-hi-bye-gif-8390063

[next edge]

IT is unbalanced

[coarse tusk]

It's not

[spice spire]

Of the rogue specs, it is current unbalanced

[coarse tusk]

if anything sin and sub are unbalanced

and need to be tuned up

[gusty mirage]

no no you don't understand, we don't raid with a full group of rogues so looking at it from a "rogue only perspective" is dumb

[royal lantern]

out of all rogue specs, outlaw is one of them

[gusty mirage]

that's his point

[iron orchid]

If your reasoning is solely based on this graph you linked earlier, you also have to understand that it is biased

[gusty mirage]

his point is that compared to the other classes, outlaw is fine

and sin and sub suck

[summer mantle]

o.O I dont know much about it but isnt outlaw kinda broken right now and pretty sweet on the beta compared to sin

[gusty mirage]

even though it addresses nothing that I said of my original statement

sorry

as he put it my "dumb" statement

when it was very clear I was talking about outlaw in the context of the 3 rogue specs

my statement was the dumb one

[coarse tusk]

it is dumb because it would suggest that Outlaw needed nerfing

[gusty mirage]

that's a mighty large assumption

maybe you're the dumb one

[spice spire]

This conversation has been non-productive to say the least

[gusty mirage]

In fact all you've proven to me in your 30 minute long debate of not reading the context of my statements, and bringing me graphs of what affliction, ww, ret, and arms warrior is doing

is that you are the dumb one

[royal lantern]

wanna know the issue? addons

[coarse tusk]

every class has a spec on average is doing more than outlaw except druid

[spice spire]

Real

[gusty mirage]

because you simply moved the goal posts when I said I was discussing it in the context of rogue

[coarse tusk]

outlaw is like right in the middle

[gusty mirage]

and then you proceeded to insult me

you're an actual clown

[coarse tusk]

so that would suggest that sub and sin was underperforming and needs to be brought up

[stuck knoll]

Okay

Stop

Chill

Enough

Idc

No one cares

[coarse tusk]

i didn't insult you at all

[next edge]

Guardian druid doing 190k dps on keys

buff sin

[stuck knoll]

I mean you did call him dumb while unable to understand the point he made but I don't think anything of value is being gained

[heady merlin]

Dang did not think it was like that in here I liked all specs but combat was my favorite before the change sadly

[stuck knoll]

By continuing it or poking each other

[subtle tundra]

i just want outlaw gone from the planet, orbital strike style

[stuck knoll]

Outlaw > Sin

[subtle tundra]

haha wrong

[stuck knoll]

L + you do not have a dog pfp

[spice spire]

Real

[coarse tusk]

I just believe you can call something being dumb, without it being a direct insult on the person, but whatever.

[spice spire]

But sin > outlaw sorry king

[royal lantern]

perish

[spice spire]

Please move on, I’m asking nicely

[next edge]

Next time he ask the dog on the avatar will haunt you

[gray crest]

I heard someone was talking shit about my boy oxi

[subtle tundra]

i literally do

dennis is a dog

[next edge]

I love how he asked oxi if he even tried sin in beta

[gusty mirage]

I've never tested anything

[spice spire]

It was me

[gusty mirage]

I'm simply talking out of my ass

[gusty mirage]

don't make me drive down there

[stuck knoll]

An absolute hound if you will

[verbal mantle]

[opaque brook]

can anyone give me a brief rundown of my burst rotation for assa? I want to switch to it for DF for more burst/crit dmg(from outlaw) so i'm still a scrub, specially after all these talent tree changes. this is my tree so far. BMQAOB/7AZ//CwQOf4fPMswHVDJRCSSUSAAAAAAAkIBICAAAAAAgEkCtkASSEIRAJJJJA

Also, not sure how Kingsbane works. I tried simming, and the dot damage never changed even when deadly poison was reapplied or i added a bleed. maybe it just doesn't show?

[balmy condor]

Can you link the sim

[next edge]

https://i.gyazo.com/c59ab3a25638ba812742d500e28b3c26.png

bears are cool

[burnt latch]

buff hunter

[violet jackal]

2 tanks?

[burnt latch]

thats a holy pala

[safe shale]

What do we take in M+ atm buff wise?

[burnt latch]

details is dumb

[sand elm]

ive been using the wowhead build with carnage

[safe shale]

I ment shrouded affix

😄

[peak bobcat]

If I don't want to run flag in pre patch, is nf or nl like pathetically far behind?

[sand elm]

just stay venthyr and dont use it. ull have to get used to not having it in the rotation anyway

the other 3 abilities are talents already

and nadjia is really good for us anyways

[peak bobcat]

copy

thank you

[sand elm]

np. its what ive been doing. no point worrying about minmaxing damage when we lose the ability in 4 weeks anyway

[opaque brook]

was that for me? i'm not sure how to do that. also, my question was for pvp. should i ask this in the pvp channel?

[balmy condor]

Didn’t you say you tried simming and the dot damage didn’t increase?

And yeh #pvp would be for pvp questions

[opaque brook]

yeah i just was hittin the target dummy and hovered over the Kingsbane dot and it's damage never went up according to the dot on the target dummy

[balmy condor]

Okay well

That’s not simming

But I’ll look into it thanks

[subtle tundra]

close

[spice spire]

This mf really said always show me

Damn

[brazen zodiac]

damn varas

damn

[night delta]

Anyone got weakauras tracking animacharged combo points ? Wanna implement animacharge tracking to my combo bar

[vast loom]

its a feature in WA

[night delta]

oh nice

[night delta]

gee thanks 🙂

[subtle tundra]

a solid 10.4k dps above the tank on anduin and a huge 2.2k above the last dps

[night delta]

https://tenor.com/view/could-be-worse-anna-faris-christy-plunkett-mom-not-too-bad-gif-19776283

small Ws

[oblique jackal]

why is everyone hyper focused on numbers??

tuning is always changing..

[balmy condor]

human nature

[vestal wren]

they always are up to the point balancing happens

[versed sinew]

ain't meta ain't playing

[vestal wren]

i am 100% certain some current "OH WOW THIS LOOKS SO GOOD" classes/specs
will have a lot of complains about their tree once they are balanced

[subtle tundra]

morning?

[balmy condor]

mornin

[royal lantern]

many ww monks, mark my words

like, i read sooo many "omg ww monk plays perfect!!!!" stuff right now

and im convinced 80%of those are just "top dps=it feels good"

[vestal wren]

doing more damage than everyone else with low effort is not good gameplay

but lets say it this way

our ww monk hat the best time ever last raid

he was so hyped about his damage

[royal lantern]

OMG MY PREPATCH DMG IS SO HIGH BEST GAMEPLAY EVER

dmg gets adjusted

WTF THAT TALENT IS SO CLUNKY

[vestal wren]

i mean, damage is a driving force behind feedback

[balmy condor]

[vestal wren]

if you have a strong ability or build up damage with a lot of effort

and then hit like a wet noodle, you will have bad feedback even if gameplay is fine

[royal lantern]

i allready see it comming

assa does dmg

wtf exsang feels so good

doing dmg fast is what assa needed!

[summer mantle]

ewww exsang

[oblique jackal]

exsang is amazing

[balmy condor]

yeah, amazing how trash one ability's design can be, agree

[subtle tundra]

actually outdps'd a dps on rygelon

[balmy condor]

did they die

[subtle tundra]

nope

im just that good

[balmy condor]

wow

that is impressive

[subtle tundra]

my build fyi

night fae

take notes

[royal lantern]

where they playing

or was it boost run

[thorn fjord]

Varas doing the ting

I haven’t even touched sin

Pirate shenanigans are too fun right now

[next edge]

Outlaw is doing 29k and i do 20k

please buff me and nerf everyone else

[royal lantern]

based

[next edge]

my prepatch experience

[royal lantern]

but like, only buff ME

not assassination in general, only when i play it

[subtle tundra]

i dont do 20k

wtf

[thorn fjord]

🤣🤣🤣

[next edge]

Have you tried to plug your keyboard?

[night delta]

ah the famed "no extra binds" build

[next edge]

Ok Varas

[night delta]

I can dig it

[next edge]

I found your problem

make sure you press this button @subtle tundra

https://i.gyazo.com/e013c9d70ec5e68d2834f2fc8731f538.png

[subtle tundra]

AWAWD AWD

[thorn fjord]

Gottem

I finished inerva at 36k

[heady merlin]

So is Vendetta the Deathmark thing now

[subtle tundra]

yes

[heady merlin]

gotcha

[royal lantern]

the cooler brother of vendetta

[balmy condor]

real

[spring locust]

my peanut brain cannot handle outlaw I guess, my highs during deathmark are like ~30k and then during regular rotation its like 12-14k , but on outlaw it's a steady 12k

all this without a legendary and bonky wonky stats

[balmy condor]

outlaw you just push all the buttons

and win

shadowdust is a big must though from my understanding

so no lego there is an issue

[spring locust]

oh on outlaw i got the ventyr pistol lego

but i ain't got an assa lege but unity

[dawn merlin]

Ye that's meh because tier got disabled

[royal lantern]

outlaw is like

something is not on cd?

put it on cd

[spring locust]

but tbf on assa my biggest hitter is my trinket

[royal lantern]

something glows? push the button

the end

[dawn merlin]

It is a fun gameplay tbf

Just send it

[royal lantern]

dont say its bad

its just not complicated

[dawn merlin]

That's fair

[thorn fjord]

Who wouldnt want to play machine gun rogue?

[night delta]

following through on this, does charged combo point 1 though 4 means the combo points charged with ER + RC are the 1st to 4th ?

[thorn fjord]

High as APM feels like you're playing high level SC

[night delta]

and the 5th isn't actually charged ?

[thorn fjord]

it should light up and you'll want to spend from right to left

so if theres 4 glowing send at 4 then 3, 2 etc

[oblique jackal]

7.3k ST dmg decent for a pvp sin rogue?

[night delta]

so the 5th combo point doesn't get animacharged ?

[kindred rapids]

why should we pretend that numbers don't matter

[balmy condor]

because it's prepatch

they don't matter

[kindred rapids]

oh, assa will definitely close the gap a bit in df

the way things are currently

[royal lantern]

carpal tunnel

+high apm doesnt mean satisfying gameplay 🙂

[cerulean nest]

am I the only one that doesnt even feel like it's high apm since it's just like 4 buttons over and over

[balmy condor]

yes

[cerulean nest]

i guess youre hitting the 4 buttons quickly but like....lol

[subtle tundra]

delete outlaw

also i outdps'd another dps on sylvanas this time

[royal lantern]

well, yeha

[subtle tundra]

with zoldyck as my legendary

[royal lantern]

its high apm cus you press sinester strike 50times a minute

but like, i can understand why people like it

[thorn fjord]

Whats your toon name @subtle tundra

[spice spire]

Varas with some weird a

[subtle tundra]

if youre looking for logs you wont find any

[thorn fjord]

boooo

You guys hide logs?

BUT WHY

[subtle tundra]

cause idk?

and i dont care

[thorn fjord]

Fair

[subtle tundra]

ok

big problem

all of my WAs

dissapeared

all

[spice spire]

So some of them disappeared?

[subtle tundra]

fuck

[sand elm]

u mean from the list or theyre on wa but not showing

[subtle tundra]

like

they deleted

[sand elm]

rip

[royal lantern]

give it ~1week until most addons and weakauras are fixed

before that, yeha, stuff is gonna be wonky

[subtle tundra]

i mean it was working and then i did a reload and then dissapeared

[royal lantern]

then it probably was not working

[subtle tundra]

😐

[weak isle]

reload? update WA? restart? check ur WeakAura Companion

[inner scroll]

any working rotation helper for assa right now? never played assa and want to test it xD

[subtle tundra]

reloaded, checked update, restarted, idk what wa companion is

[weak isle]

software to check if ur WA's need updates

like a mini dashboard

[fading wigeon]

has the Deathmark /Dusk been fixed?

[balmy condor]

noi

[subtle tundra]

man sylvanas was so bugged xd

[steel ridge]

yeah veil P1 sometimes was huuuuge

and in P2 she just bugged around like crazy

[night delta]

you should rename to Duskwalker status bot

damn people asking every hour

[balmy condor]

reading pins is hard

[thorny plover]

what leg should i take for assa m+

[balmy condor]

zold or deathly

[kindred rapids]

Outlaw now is so much better for this. Much less frequent that you'll need to press ss many times in a row.

[vast loom]

Yeah it only charges 4 points cp2-5

[night delta]

alright, thanks 🙂

[subtle tundra]

yea i did beat the 2 BM hunters on pure ST

[brazen zodiac]

whats a pin

🧷

[kindred rapids]

link logs pls

I want to see some big assa dam

[subtle tundra]

private

[kindred rapids]

wtf

[urban salmon]

Please subscribe to his OnlyAssa to see his private content

[kindred rapids]

are you secretly a wf raider

[subtle tundra]

the build + nf + zoldyck leggo

trust

active abilities are baits

[urban salmon]

No Tea? Uncle Iroh isn't mad, just disappointed.

[subtle tundra]

its an active ability

i like it but no ty

[urban salmon]

https://tenor.com/view/avatar-the-last-airbender-iroh-uncle-iroh-tea-ba-sing-se-gif-20429743

[copper hazel]

Is this the quiet quitting build? Big fan 😍

[subtle tundra]

i aint quitting

this is the build that plays mechanics

[copper hazel]

Yeh but it's anti-active abilities, so you're doing the least amount of work but getting the job done

[subtle tundra]

yes

havent been below the tank yet

[copper hazel]

That's a win

[subtle tundra]

and we're at sire

cleared all 311 bosses

[copper hazel]

Might be time to prep that alpha varas name again

[oak sky]

I forgot that i didnt have a leggo when i played yesterday

Buggy ahhh dusk

[wind hawk]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[subtle tundra]

this is how you do it

rank 100

[vestal wren]

being the only assassination player in pre patch?

[subtle tundra]

no need to say such words

slandering my work

[ivory rock]

im normally an outlaw player

and assassination is dope

might swap for df

[brazen zodiac]

clearly the best to exist

[thorn fjord]

I'm a sexy boi

[gusty mirage]

that was factual regardless of parse tho

[thorn fjord]

[sand elm]

i call hax

[thorn fjord]

[timid cloud]

[sand elm]

[kindred rapids]

sorta like being the only rogue to clear sanctum

easy #1 all star points

[oblique jackal]

How big does race play apart?

[weak isle]

low margin

play whatever you like the most

[weak plover]

Is duskwalker working yet?

[balmy condor]

no

rest assured I would update the pin

[molten harness]

hey guys. How assassination feels compared to the Outlaw?

[balmy condor]

slower and more methodical

[dense yoke]

any viable builds with kingsbane rn?

[weak plover]

Down tremendous

[balmy condor]

BMQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAJSCSSAAAAAAAAJAkkAAAAAAAQQa0SCSSSaBSSCQkkA

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/talent-builds-pve-dps#raid-build-kingsbane-build

[dense yoke]

ty 🙏

[timid cloud]

I can’t keep going on day after day of not having Dusk….

[balmy condor]

just have a 2 min kill time and play shadowdust

and then you get 3 casts

instead of 2

because unsurprisingly, nothing in this patch fucking matters

[timid cloud]

[cerulean nest]

anyone tried Naowh's WAs?

[long spade]

could be worse, in my case all my actionbars for assa got cleaned out a couple of times, outlaw/subt dont seem to be affected

[timid cloud]

I’m trying to get my dopamine / serotonin fix okay?

[cerulean nest]

theyre confusing me lol

[timid cloud]

If I’m not dealing damage, my neurons won’t fire.

[weak plover]

This simmed higher for me for kingsbane. Not sure if valid..

[balmy condor]

yeah sure same shit

[weak plover]

lol

[balmy condor]

I mean respectfully I could give less of a shit

prepatch builds

take kingsbane, or dont

take blindside, or dont

play venthyr, or fae, or necro, or kyrian

who cares

[weak plover]

The people that actually have to play through this shit care man

[timid cloud]

LOL

I love it.

[marble hemlock]

Wdym by "have to play through this"?

[timid cloud]

10/10

[marble hemlock]

Is your performance going to be evaluated by your raidleader during prepatch?

Then the only correct choice is to play Outlaw, not whether SBS or Kingsbane is better

[timid cloud]

I don’t think any worthwhile raid leader will care about prepatch performance really.

Jokes aside.

[strange python]

But it's VITAL that I 100% optimise my current build for the rest of the tier! I need to keep up with this condemn mother fucker in my raid group

[balmy condor]

my guy mythic kill times are 3-4 minutes, you're playing a spec that's doing 2/3rds the damage of outlaw, in a patch with no content

if you care about this

Idk what to tell you

[marble hemlock]

In a patch with a raid affix that drastically boosts peoples DPS output, and not evenly so

[brazen zodiac]

ty seliathan for asking the exact same question i was about to ask xd

[timid cloud]

Are you saying some classes ||SCALE? Get it? Because Dragons have scales???|| better??? (For legal purposes, this is a joke.)

[marble hemlock]

if i click this and it says scale ill ban you

you have 3 minutes

[brazen zodiac]

dont

click it

[marble hemlock]

to decide

[royal lantern]

the S Word

[balmy condor]

trees are tuned to level 70 with no legendary and no covenant

[timid cloud]

I SAID JOKE

[balmy condor]

people really out here trying to min-max

[brazen zodiac]

run breadman

u said the s word

[timid cloud]

[balmy condor]

a tree that isn't tuned for anything even closely related to current patch

we can't even take one of our capstones

I'll recommend taking internal bleeding into intent to kill in order to take exsang

watch me

[timid cloud]

HUH

[brazen zodiac]

u wont

[timid cloud]

I’ll pass away.

[brazen zodiac]

refreshing the guide now to see if its getting updated

[balmy condor]

f5

[brazen zodiac]

[timid cloud]

I follow the guide.

The guide is the Bible. Anyone who says otherwise is a heathen.

[next edge]

like sub/sin can't acces to capstones

[balmy condor]

honestly if you're on a fight where you can kidney an add

[next edge]

compared to Outlaw who gets their main tree at 60

[balmy condor]

might be playable

[next edge]

and people are screaming to sky

that nurfff

[sand elm]

at how many targets is it better to use crimson tempest over envenom in aoe as a combo point dump

[balmy condor]

like every finisher is CT?

[timid cloud]

We never spam CT

[balmy condor]

well hold on

don't say never

we can math this out

[sand elm]

surely theres an X amount of targets where its more damage to spend on CT than envenom in aoe

[balmy condor]

you're correct

I'll start at 15 targets

[timid cloud]

[balmy condor]

and we'll see how much higher I need to go

[spice spire]

Cydone is a huge fan of sepsis and wants it to be meta

[brazen zodiac]

this is gonna be good

[spice spire]

We should buff it

[sand elm]

i dont know the maths, thats why i asked. couldve been 5, 8. 25 for all i know

[timid cloud]

Yeah, I’m playing Night Fae as we speak.

[balmy condor]

in 9.2.5 it was around 45

[spice spire]

64.3 actually

[brazen zodiac]

that emoji is a good one quake

me want

[spice spire]

[balmy condor]

but we recently got CT buffs

so maybe 20?

[spice spire]

Huge

[sand elm]

so its just never worth using ct in aoe outside of keeping the bleed up

[drifting cloud]

just spam it when you feel its right in your heart

[spice spire]

God bless

[timid cloud]

At least it wasn’t like idk…

[balmy condor]

correct

[timid cloud]

What was it before?

[sand elm]

cool ty

[brazen zodiac]

nice

spam snd if ur heart tells u to

[timid cloud]

Gotta keep up my EP buff.

[spice spire]

Real

[timid cloud]

Alacrity too.

[brazen zodiac]

forget all u learned in life

snd will save u

casting snd in wotlk classic feels funny. no animation or noise to actually indicate it went off, lmao

[royal lantern]

tbf, the current snd animation is "punch the air" lmao

[brazen zodiac]

lmao yeah looks like ur fist pumping the titans

[royal lantern]

and SnD STILL NEED TO BE REMOVED

[brazen zodiac]

whats wrong with snd

[royal lantern]

everything

[brazen zodiac]

ok.....

[royal lantern]

its 1am, i have work tomorrow,i wont do my normal SnD rant now

[brazen zodiac]

ok fair enough

[timid cloud]

SND nice. SND simple.

[brazen zodiac]

i cant think of any reason why snd would be bad, but hey maybe theres something ig

[main solar]

It's not so much that SnD itself is bad. It make numbers good. But maintenance buffs are incredibly boring

[sand elm]

not every part of a rotation can be exciting

[brazen zodiac]

interesting take

i could see people considering it boring considering we cast it once

but meh, seems just like a simple ability to me

[nova verge]

Hey guys, I'm getting back in the game after being away for about a year and after reading all the recent pre-patch guides I've noticed a discrepancy between the wowhead and icy-veins guides when it comes to Stat Priority. Icy-Veins lists Crit -> Mastery as top two and wowhead says Crit -> Haste. Can anyone enlighten me on why they seem to conflict and what might be the "better" take?

[sand elm]

cos both websites have always had different takes. since the dawn of time

[main solar]

There was also a perios of time (legion, bfa, and wod sorta) where it just didn't exist at all for assassination

[brazen zodiac]

wym by didnt exist? (i didnt play in any of those, so idk)

[sand elm]

i like snd cos with daggers it makes our auto attacks go zoom

[brazen zodiac]

just like u casted once or casted never

[main solar]

Never, it was removed. In wod it was passive

[brazen zodiac]

hm, okay

[main solar]

But in legion/bfa, there wasnt even an attack speed buff

[nova verge]

What is the current community consensus? Assuming there is one...

[sand elm]

i usually go with wowhead cos the icyveins ones are usually weird from my experience

[dusk summit]

Doesnt really matter at the moment. Once you are 70 just run sims

[main solar]

The wod perk was probably the best format. Attack speed for daggers does feel fun, but a mindless button you have to press and spend combo points on is boring and just slows down our ramp

[dusk summit]

Anyone else feel like the "ALACRATY" Talent is lacking

[balmy condor]

the stats are so close it shouldn't matter one bit

[nova verge]

That's what I was planning to do. I just wanted a general heuristic while I get catch-up gear.

[balmy condor]

me and seli write the wowhead and icyveins guides respectively, and talk about what we're putting into them in order to have consistency

it's just one of those things where I decided haste would be a better secondary option over mastery and he prefers mastery

mastery is better in dragonflight

[dusk summit]

Is that because tier is poison and envenom foucsed?

[nova verge]

So, it would be sound to go for both if I have enough stats to get near DR on both of them?

[dusk summit]

So it would also seem the DOOMBLADE talent is not as good as the doom blade lego. by a long shot as it doesnt effect envenom.

[balmy condor]

also on a broader topic, if you're comparing two guides and looking for which to "trust", you're not going to get very far. The guides rarely are able to convey perfectly min-maxed builds and concepts fully, and an overwhelming majority of the guide viewers are casual players looking for a quick copy paste. Trying to find nuance in them is just not the move really. It can provide some "bis" stuff like general talents and stuff, but in general learning to sim yourself and keeping on top of findings here is much more helpful

[balmy condor]

poison and bleed

[main solar]

Yeah, the doomblade talent is kinda poo poo, but sbs good

[balmy condor]

it would be good to sim your gear. You can't make gear decisions in your head if you're trying to be that granular

[dusk summit]

I was just at the dummies it seems like Shrouded suffocation is better than SBS

[balmy condor]

it's not just possible for humans to be that precise when comparing stats

[dusk summit]

that 15% more garrote dmg is pretty big

[balmy condor]

how much damage is your SBS doing?

[dusk summit]

like 5% i think, the fact it doesnt drop off makes it hard to tell after the fact

[main solar]

Don't forget there's the instant damaged, bleed, and cp generation portions of sbs

[dusk summit]

true*

[balmy condor]

okay so if it's 5% of your damage, in order for shrouded to be better, 15% of garrotes damage would need to be more than 5%. Some quick math says that garrote would need to do a full 33% of your damage

[main solar]

Also kinda cheap energy wise

[balmy condor]

which

I kinda find hard to believe

[sand elm]

quik maffs

[balmy condor]

Qwik Maffs, President of Blizzard

[sand elm]

lol

[nova verge]

That's precisely why I'm here and I agree with you. I'm mostly asking to know what the thought processes are for the different opinions in the guides so I can understand what I'm reading better. Also, I appreciate your contribution in the wowhead one.

[dusk summit]

Id like to actually go through and do some tests but TBH im not good at the theory crafting part, I just like it

[balmy condor]

I mean it just kinda depends on the person and what they're trying to optimize for. Just logically speaking, haste increases tick rate and energy, and has historically been a better stat in single target. Mastery increases bleed and poison damage, and has been better in cleave and aoe. Assassination is a weird spec in most regards because crit, haste and mastery have all been very close stats. Vers is really the only one that we try to avoid. So you can look at it and go "okay well a lil more haste is a little more single target, but worse in aoe, little more mastery is better in aoe, worse in single target. The raid has some cleave and some aoe, I personally want to value my boss damage more, so I'm gonna go haste. But on this fight, there's a lot of aoe, so I'm gonna value more mastery"

and depending on what side of the "I value X slightly more" fence you lean on, you might value one thing or another thing higher or lower

[sand elm]

just go haste = mastery

although i would love to see a full mastery geared character's carnage dps

[weak isle]

In the end u sim ur own stats no?

[balmy condor]

It's surprisingly easy to come up with a sound logical reasoning for any decision honestly. I might sit here and shit on people for making dumb decisions but at the end of the day, I'm only really shitting on people who don't take the time to think through their decisions. Going full crit mastery with 0 haste in raids, probably not a great idea, and there's some sims to support that, but if in your heart you go "Hey, I'm doing it on stone legion generals because there's a lot of AoE in that fight and I'm just going mastery cause my raid has 3 rogues and they're already doing a ton of single target", then okay. I disagree with the decision but I can respect it right

[balmy condor]

For the level of granularity we're talking about, it goes beyond sims. You can top gear your single target stats, or top gear a dungeonslice or aoe or whatever, but sims at the end of the day are tools to use to evaluate how to play and what to play in different situations

they are very very VERY VERY good tools and following them isn't a mistake in any regard

but if you're that person that wants to swap gear every single encounter because this fight has 3 more adds than that one, sims can't help you much

[sand elm]

thatd be so tedious

[balmy condor]

I would argue that if you're that person and you're trying to optimize on that level, you're already a little deranged

but it be like that sometimes

[weak isle]

Usually just gear all specs and keep my stats simmed for dungeon slice and ST

[sand elm]

i just go whatever the raid priority is and deal with it in dungeons

i gave up playing priest cos they had 1 stat thats bis in dungeons but the worst stat in raids and couldnt be fucked with it

[nova verge]

I have been gear swapping on an encounter basis in an MMO that doesn't have gear sets, previous to coming back to WoW...

[balmy condor]

yeah

I sorta pegged you for that type pretty quickly

:P

[nova verge]

I have no shame.

[balmy condor]

and honestly, if that's what you wanna do, more power to you

but the payoff for that is miniscule, if not unrecognizable

[sand elm]

lost ark enjoyer i see

[nova verge]

You are probably right if we can't come to an objective answer about it in about 5 minutes of discussion.

[nova verge]

LA then back to NW before this.

[sand elm]

NW

[dusk summit]

Is there a place for exsanguinate in this new tier/talents? Or is it just as bad?

[balmy condor]

exsanguinate is a must-take in dragonflight with current tuning

[brazen zodiac]

dundundun

[lethal coral]

whats the difference between Deadly Poison & Instant Poison?

[dusk summit]

I was looking seems like Dragon tempered blades might be a useful talent assuming wee can get it with some key others

[sand elm]

deadly is a dot, instant is instant damage

[balmy condor]

the first is a dot that does instant damage on reapplication, the second is the exact same thing without the dot

[lethal coral]

i'm guessing it's to use strategically when you don't want to break a cc or something after striking

[sand elm]

just break the cc and blame the mages ignite

[oblique jackal]

I feel like SBS isn't worth the talent

[oak sky]

Sims dont care about your feelings 😤

[balmy condor]

the strategic use is if you're playing assassination you play deadly poison, and if you're playing dragon tempered blades and aren't taking amp poison, you take instant poison as your second poison

[sand elm]

would u ever take DTB and not take amp tho?

[balmy condor]

in m+ sure

[lethal coral]

hail ya, tyty

[dusk summit]

Indiscriminate carnage is a must have for M+ though isn't it?

[misty holly]

Amp Poison really needs to be buffed to at least instant poison damage level.

It is a talent deep in the tree, it should be better than the things it replaces.

[balmy condor]

no

[misty holly]

Really dumb if it's not

[balmy condor]

it is instant poison level, all poisons deal the exact same instant damage, amp poison just isn't being affected by mastery currently because of a whitelisting bug

[misty holly]

Ooh that is good to know. Im sure it will be worked out by time we are L70 then.

[timid cloud]

I feel so weird in ST, the rotation feels strange to me.

[sand elm]

how so?

[wise phoenix]

has there been a hotfix for duskwalker yet to affect deathmark?

[sand elm]

nop

[wise phoenix]

tragic

[timid cloud]

Eh, just timings & stuff.

[oak sky]

With ct gone right

[timid cloud]

Muscle memoried to the one before.

[oak sky]

I felt a little dry

[wise phoenix]

idk i think the rotation w/o CT feels much cleaner.

[cedar olive]

hey guys, what legendary are you using for raid now that vendetta is gone?

[balmy condor]

deathly according to the guy in the pins

[sturdy merlin]

Dusk hotfix when

[celest ruin]

fixed in the announced maintenance copium

[dusk summit]

There are a few places that say that even though it says vendetta on dusck walkers it still effects Deathmark.

[sand elm]

what is it people hate about exsanguinate?

doesnt look that bad to use to me

[balmy condor]

it feels horrendous and it's super unintuitive

I had a rant about it at some point let me see if I can find it

[brazen zodiac]

which one i think there's a few

xd

[balmy condor]

#assassination message

[sand elm]

so the snapshot causes rotational issues

[balmy condor]

the snapshot and the gameplay in general from setting up and maximizing the effect

[gloomy ridge]

new bug found... i cant use Distract on Argus to spin him around anymore 😦

[balmy condor]

dragonflight opener with exsang is gar snd gar sbs rupture mut mut mut rupture

that's super wtf

unless you specifically knew about double casting rupture for max pandemic (another hidden mechanic in the game)

you would sit there and be like why the fuck are you replacing a 5cp rupture with a 5 cp rupture whispyr

that's dumb as hell

it just creates so many problematic and difficult to explain rotational decisions that go against normal logical assassination gameplay

[sand elm]

lol

[balmy condor]

in dragonflight it's not even a burst cooldown

you don't line it up with deathmark at all

[dusk summit]

So atm EXSANG bad, Dragonflight EXSANG good on open?

[balmy condor]

exsang bad prepatch exsang good in dragonflight

[sand elm]

u dont line it up with deathmark? that seems...silly

[dusk summit]

is that cause we have changes to exsang or more talents and tier make it better?

[balmy condor]

you don't line it up with vanish either

[balmy condor]

more talents and tier mainly

also when you level up the damage profile shifts

[sand elm]

then again, if its just making bleeds tick faster its not strictly a damage increase

[balmy condor]

cause you get scaled down as you level

[sand elm]

so i guess it doesnt matter that they dont line up

[balmy condor]

but that's a whole other thing

[dusk summit]

That makes sense. I never used it and never noticed it cuts your dots duration in half, I thought it gave you basically double tick rate. No wonder its abd.

[sand elm]

lining it up with deathmark would be better for quick burst i guess, but its not a dps increase in the long run. assuming im understanding what it does

[dusk summit]

Yah, I think if it worked like most though when they first read it it would be way better.

[sand elm]

the assumption would be ud get double the bleed ticks in the same time, but if i understand right it just halves the dot duration but still does full damage

please correct me if im wrong

[balmy condor]

so deathmark doubles bleeds, you could get 16 seconds of improved garrote by vanish garrote deathmarking, and it would cover the whole thing. You could exsang beforehand and compress the full 22 second garrote into deathmark, which would be 11 seconds, and you would get another 5 seconds of normal doubled garrote, for a total of 22(doubled) 44 seconds of empowered garrote + another 5*2=10 seconds of normal garrote. If you sync deathmark with vanish you get 32 seconds of doubled empowered, if you don't sync with vanish you get 32 seconds of normal garrote

so exsang does increase damage

because you're just getting more garrote ticks in a time where your bleeds are doing 2x the damage

because there's 2 of them

that's a tangible gain that you wouldn't normally get

[cedar olive]

my brain just melted xD

[balmy condor]

also just having to explain exsanguinate I can feel my blood pressure rising god I fucking hate dot compression so fucking much

what a shit mechanic

[cedar olive]

always hated the 4 set bonus, glad it's gone

[balmy condor]

the super easy to understand version

is if you have a time-sensitive bonus

like the 16 seconds of doubled deathmark ticks

or the bleed buff from the sepulcher 2 piece

or in the past it was shrouded suffocation with 90% haste

[dusk summit]

SHould do a youtube video on it and then just link that everytime

[balmy condor]

any of those very short lived bonuses you can cram as many bleed ticks as possible

exsang gains you something

if you don't have any of that

you just gain normal ticks

which isn't impressive

[balmy condor]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/assassination-rogue-analysis-of-the-9-2-tier-set-bonuses-a-lesson-in-dot-325616I

I link this usually

[dusk summit]

lol page not found

[balmy condor]

[sand elm]

deathmark doesnt have any damage increase affects does it? it just puts another bleed on and duplicates other dots

i dont think it does but i might just be ignorant and missing something

[balmy condor]

duplicating the dot is equivalent to 100% extra dot damage

• a bunch of energy

[sand elm]

yeh but it only duplicates the dot it doesnt do anything else other than its own dot

[dusk summit]

You mentioned that you can double cast Rupture early to get a large pandemic window? I thought it was only the last like 20% or so.

[sand elm]

my question then is why would we need to compress dots into its 16 second window when it doesnt add anything to the dots being duplicated anyway

[balmy condor]

correct

[balmy condor]

!pd

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[dark token]

Pretty fun sin and sub are bottom on prepatch even with 2x edge of night propping us up so much

[balmy condor]

because deathmark is 16 seconds long and a max pandemic improved garrote is almost 24 seconds

you're wasting 8 seconds of doubled empowered dot

[sand elm]

so its purpose is some fuckery with pandemic improved garrote then?

[balmy condor]

if you compress, you fit the whole thing into deathmark, with time left over

its purpose is compression

and as I just explained

if you can get a big bleed into a small damage window

that's the juice for exsang

improved garrote is a big bleed

deathmark is a small damage window

and yet that's not what we want exsang for

[sand elm]

i can see why u say its unintuitive

[balmy condor]

because sims say missing casts of our cooldowns in order to make that line-up happen

is not good

[dusk summit]

Dude just needs to write a book

[cedar olive]

is it worth it to use amplifying poison?

[balmy condor]

not currently no

once the mastery issue gets fixed it'll be slightly better in single target

[balmy condor]

I challenge you to find whats wrong with this image

[dusk summit]

exsang and death mark together?

[sand elm]

[balmy condor]

yeah but you want to exsang before the deathmark

so that's kinda fine

[sand elm]

is use items pots?

[dusk summit]

double stealth garrote seems counter productive

[ivory rock]

daaamn maplestory??

i havent played that in ages

[sand elm]

whats that 2nd stealth garrote? we wont be taking subterfuge will we so ud be overwriting a stealth garrote with a normal garrote?

[ivory rock]

is there a way to get 2 capstons with the assassination tree when we are 70

[sand elm]

there is enough points to yes

[dusk summit]

imp garrote kinda gives us that

[balmy condor]

nop, 2 min into the fight, already used pots

[sand elm]

touche

[unreal mesa]

there is 2 seconds between garrotes

[balmy condor]

you get an extra 2 seconds of improved garrote by delaying it

so that's fine too

[dusk summit]

echoing?>

[sand elm]

ur betting quite a lot on critting to not be just doing a 4 point rupture

[balmy condor]

echoing gives us 7cp casts of envenom during deathmark, which is our highest dps

[balmy condor]

double garrote with shrouded is 6cp

[sand elm]

im not sure then

[ivory rock]

with the m+ build where would we build once we have all of our points

middle or left

[balmy condor]

yeah, I'm not sure either

[sand elm]

u ass

lol

[balmy condor]

middle typically

[balmy condor]

I mean really though, it's a beautiful sequence

it took me like 3 hours to get the sim to play nice

and give me that sequence

[sand elm]

"whats wrong with this?"
"nothing huehue"

[balmy condor]

and it spit in my face and said yeah dipshit it's -2%

over just slamming on cooldown

[sand elm]

lol

[ivory rock]

i feel like assass does a lot of dam rn but then i look and my double EoN and my Cache are like carrying me

[balmy condor]

assassination does dogshit damage rn

idk why you would think its good

it's 10k under outlaw in every situation

[sand elm]

so using exsang with deathmark in that sequence is -2% dps versus just using it on cd?

[dusk summit]

We all have hoped and prayed it will be good in DF and they give us this in prepatch.

[balmy condor]

yeah, the sim wants deathmark at 2:00, vanish at 2:10, exsang at 2:20

and that's just better apparently

and I can't for the life of me explain why

[sand elm]

wait, vanish out of sync with deathmark?

[balmy condor]

yeah

you still get a couple seconds of vanish in the end of deathmark

but I just don't get it

yet try as I might, anything that sync is just worse

[sand elm]

sims broken lol

i mean, if using exsang on cd instead of lining it up is better, it does mean its something u dont need to really care about

[balmy condor]

well yes but no

you still want to full pandemic all your stuff

[sand elm]

having to dump everything into the deathmark window would suck imo

[balmy condor]

which leads to funny things like garroting on cooldown 3 times in a row prepping for an exsang 3 and a half minutes into the fight