assassination

[gusty mirage]

EU boys get to testing

🙂

[royal cliff]

is anyone elses details completely borked

mine looks like it did in beta for like 2 weeks

just blank boxes in the middle of my screen

[timid cloud]

Mine is working, just Elvui frames & interactions with certain NPC's are fried.

[prisma cypress]

anyone else having issues being unable to click through weakauras?

[royal cliff]

im very glad to be done with elvui though i do miss mouseover ilvl info etc

[thick sable]

Is someone able to DM me the import string for Afenar's DF weak aura? The wago site doesn't seem to want to load for me

[prisma cypress]

https://pastebin.com/fPXVszDb

[thick sable]

Page not found

[prisma cypress]

wago seems to be working atm

[jade abyss]

deathmakr duplicate the bleeding after using deathmark? or it duplicated the beeldings they are already on the target =?

[sturdy merlin]

No it's NA work

[prisma cypress]

it duplicates existing bleeds now

and ones you cast

until deathmark ends

[sturdy merlin]

Link expired, can you do it again please, wago not working for me

[celest ruin]

will there ever be a scenario where we will likely take IC + KB together or nah

[minor gate]

nah theyre too far apart in playstyle

[ornate raptor]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[minor gate]

does anyone have a tree import i can ste- i mean borrow

[royal lantern]

there is one in the pins trought wowhead

[dense yoke]

does duskwalkers not work with deathmark for prepatch?

[spice spire]

For right now

If you’re fielding dps go deathly, this is in the pins

[dense yoke]

oh oops just saw that, myb

[cobalt hemlock]

possibly go zoldick for m+ if you not running it in talents?

[abstract junco]

This is probably also in the pins somewhere, but does anyone have an Assa setup in Plater that they prefer? I'm taking to leap to set something up.

[thorn frost]

Is there a way to macro Mutilate and Ambush to the same button for Blindslide procs?

[abstract junco]

Nope

[spice spire]

Yes

Requires additional add on

!bs

[prisma monolith]

Macroing Ambush to Mutilate only works with the use of a addon.
It comes with the downside that it often requires multiple key presss.
Suggested addon to use(Gnome Sequencer):http://tiny.cc/mxb6tz
Showcase Video: #assassination message

[thorn frost]

TY, will check it out

[hidden crown]

Does duskwalker really work with deathmark? I really dont see the difference

[spice spire]

It’s supposed to, currently doesn’t.

[gusty mirage]

pins

[spice spire]

Check pins

[gusty mirage]

please for the love of god people check the pins

[hidden crown]

I just came in 😦

hi

[gusty mirage]

welcome

[spice spire]

Greetings, that isn’t @ you specifically, but it wasn’t not @ you specifically

[hidden crown]

MONKIIII

[gusty mirage]

also we play deathly shadows until dusk works

[hidden crown]

aaa ok

okay I can see it being good for now

[gusty mirage]

this is the most cursed of timelines

[hidden crown]

I will make it on my wrists

[ember mural]

[spice spire]

I prefer the magic

[severe oyster]

Haven't played in a bit or paid much attention to DF news. Did we get better aoe for dungeons etc with the new talent trees?

[prisma cypress]

better, yeah

still not great

but better

[hollow phoenix]

Everytime i go invis i got a huge square with the invis logo on my ui, someone knows how i can remove it?

[prisma cypress]

sounds like a weakaura

[gusty mirage]

sounds like it's a weakaura thing

[balmy condor]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/dragonflight-pre-patch

[hollow phoenix]

nah i dont have weak aura

[balmy condor]

Section in there goes over everything

[drifting light]

BigDebuffs

[hollow phoenix]

ty

[severe oyster]

Thank you! Holy hell IC sounds amazing.

[drifting light]

Was driving me crazy last night lol

[balmy condor]

It’s a little contentious currently because we lose a lot of single target taking it, but we also don’t gain insane aoe from it to balance it out it seems, but It’s a really cool button though

[dense yoke]

server shutdown in 8 min? hopefully theyre fixing duskwalkers copium

[prisma cypress]

thats 100% the reason for the server restart

[wooden dawn]

without rupture doing great dmg i think IC wont be worth it

[balmy condor]

Rupture damage is pretty good

As is improved garrote

The level they would need to be at in order to make IC crazy good is sorta silly

[wooden dawn]

yeah i read what yall were talking about the weird space its at when talking about buffing bleeds

cuz envenom becomes irrelevant ect ect

really weird spot

[balmy condor]

Yeah rupture envenom and ct have a very delicate balance

[marble hemlock]

I'd love if it gave a small amp or other bonus that might push it's AOE value more, while also making it usable on St with deathmark duplication

[balmy condor]

Idk bout that one

But I think buffing scent is a good start

[marble hemlock]

Or that

[worn badger]

i just want double kick back =/

[glad flare]

I want kick to do damage again so I can go back to kill Gnomes with a kick in the head 😦

[viscid spear]

I'd rather they fix the fly-out bug on action bars

[worn badger]

id be ok with that so i can kill orc with my kick flip to the balls 😛

[dense yoke]

😛

[weak plover]

Couldn't have ic apply a buff to the bleeds applied to it? This way we get more aoe but are existing st bleeds aren't significantly impacted.

Wait but then we might just use ic in St damn. It needs to ramp damage per target.

[deep nimbus]

at how many targets do you abandon keeping up dots and just CT spam

[balmy condor]

Like a billion

[deep nimbus]

so like lower kara exclusive

[balmy condor]

You will always want at least 4-5 bleeds out just for the energy

After that historically it was CT for dot, but past 4 and 6 targets you could clip the dot a little more aggressively

CT spamming has not been a thing

In dragonflight it might be but tuning needs to be ironed out and all the surrounding APL’s with dance and carnage etc need to be fairly finalized as well

Once all that’s done we can consider min-maxes like that

[oak sky]

Susge

[deep nimbus]

what does it mean to be "carnaged"

[balmy condor]

Ask your mom what’s it’s like after an hour with me

[deep nimbus]

sounds like a mess

[rancid dragon]

@balmy condor, well she'll have 59 minutes to clean up the mess

[balmy condor]

If you ain’t first, you’re last buddy

[normal mist]

aight help me out lads

how do i remove that random buff from there? xD

[prisma cypress]

so we're expecting Dtb to be better than IC even in m+?

[balmy condor]

currently yes

dtb better single target to kingsbane and better dungeon to IC

[deep nimbus]

that is so cringe what

with dtb is it deadly+instant or deadly+amp

wait checking pins

hold

[spring locust]

the wowhead guide says dustwalker is the go-to legendary, but dustwalker applies to vendetta, is it worth crafting currently?

[deep nimbus]

first pin @spring locust

[balmy condor]

depends on situation

[deep nimbus]

instant for trash and amp for bosses?

[balmy condor]

there ya go

[random fossil]

we use amplifying poison?

nvm

[deep nimbus]

no mf way i remember to change poison for bosses and trash

[balmy condor]

yeah so my recommendation is fuck that shit and don't take amp in m+

[deep nimbus]

pog maintenance done i can play

anyone have a DTB build they can share?

wanna try

wait is it not possible to get that capstone atm

because 3 point right before

i LOVE wow

[marble zephyr]

yeah I am annoyed by that

[deep nimbus]

a million points to get an uninteresting passive

[jovial plinth]

guys, why isnt kigslayer rn not better?

[timid cloud]

Make sure to buy your legendaries fast for recrafting.

Before they get jacked to 200k like they did on NA.

[crystal helm]

big debuffs, disable that addon

[tacit pebble]

any chance they fixed duskwalkers with maintenance?

[jovial plinth]

can some1 give me their go to single target build?

[balmy condor]

damag worse

[jovial plinth]

ahh okay i see

[deep nimbus]

nein

[subtle tundra]

Knowing blizz they will just nerf instant poison so dtb is worse than ic and kb

[heady drum]

im so fucking confused as to how deathmark works

dose it dupe the dots i have currently or should i pop deathmark and then reapply?

is it important to have maxed dots then pop it?

[balmy condor]

dupes current dots

it is not

[heady drum]

alright

so i just put up everything as per usual then blast off

[balmy condor]

yep

[burnt tartan]

it seemed to me it copies the dots at max duration but they will fall off whenever deathmark ends?

[balmy condor]

yes

[deep nimbus]

is deathmark worth in keys atm?

[jovial plinth]

best st poison rn?

[spice spire]

Pins

[spice spire]

Probably

[jovial plinth]

so deadly poison or am i stupid?

[spice spire]

It’s deadly

You’re correct

[jovial plinth]

thanks, was a bit confused

[spice spire]

All good, can always ask for clarity. Get the same question so much “pins” is the default answer

[jovial plinth]

KEKW

[sweet pecan]

ty for pins

if amp poison cant be used atm due to talents only allowing 1 lethal poison, its better to take twist the knoife innit?

[jovial plinth]

lol asked the same question to myself 1 sec ago xD

[dense yoke]

should i be holding onto flag for deathmark?

[jovial plinth]

dunder, first rota do flag+death, after that 1 flag without cuz dm is on cd

and after that go for the flag+dm again

[dense yoke]

lets say you get like low 20 stacks for flag, and its up for like 10 seconds before dm comes back

still use it on cd there?

[jovial plinth]

then wait, normaly you are aiming for the high flag

if something like that appears, wait then ig

[dense yoke]

ok ty

shiv doesnt matter right just use it on cd now?

[jovial plinth]

pretty much ye

like always

[dense yoke]

very nice

[jovial plinth]

is zoldyck legendary rn the way to go?

for st*

[gusty mirage]

no

deathly until dusk is fixed to work with deathmark

[wooden sentinel]

Hello fellow poisonous people, i'm wondering if you have a concrete idea of a rotation on a mono target opener? I'm a bit lost with all those juicy buttons

Please

[balmy condor]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/rotation-cooldowns-pve-dps

[dense yoke]

feel like i can only get 26 or 27 stacks of flag max, and eventually have to wait like 10 sec during the 2nd dm window for flag to be back up by then

is that how it normally is or is there a way to consistently get 30?

[balmy condor]

that's normal

[dense yoke]

kk

[jovial plinth]

what is deathly @gusty mirage

[limber lion]

There's not many legendaries that have deathly in their name.

[gusty mirage]

deathly shadows

[limber lion]

I'm sure you can figure it out.

[cedar silo]

anyone have a decent sim on assasination? mines somehow like 12k behind outlaw

[next edge]

Deathly exhsanguinate?

[next edge]

It's pretty normal

Outlaw does 45% more dps than assa sub

[cedar silo]

lolololol

wonder if theyll notice that and fix before DF

i dont wanna be stuck playing OL again

[next edge]

Why would they fix

It's prepatch

Why would you

You know nobody forces to it right

[cedar silo]

well if i want a raid spot i need to play the best spec lol

[subtle tundra]

No you dont

It's prepatch

[next edge]

You raid in echo?

[cedar silo]

im saying for DF when it comes out

not now

[next edge]

Yeah us too

[subtle tundra]

Outlaw does this much dmg cause they have some broken interaction

With sl leggo

Infinite cds

[cedar silo]

yea i noticed its like having perma 5 buff

its rediculous

[subtle tundra]

And that's not gonna be in df

Cause it's sl legendar

[strange python]

Based on gut feeling/napkin math, outlaw gets a lot less benefit from the 10 levels than sin and sub do

Outlaw has a good chunk of it's power on prepatch, lacking full sin build is substantial

[subtle tundra]

And tuning is in no way close to final

Some specs still do tank dps

[next edge]

Anyway, if I were you I would play what I like rather than what you hate just because it does slightly more dmg

[subtle tundra]

And some tanks do dps dps

[strange python]

Idk what tuning is like

Hard to imagine outlaw isn't the go to if you're mythic clearing at all the next few weeks though

[subtle tundra]

I'mma be mythic clearing and not going outlaw

😐

[next edge]

Why?

It's prepatch

[strange python]

I mean. Depends on tuning. Prepatch raid tuning doesn't have a good track record in the first week

Nya was...a mess

[next edge]

Despite tuning

You can play what you like

[strange python]

Jesus Christ not this shit again

[next edge]

? You're the one who brought the "outlaw is the go"

[strange python]

K sure, press only garrote and afk between casts if you like. Obviously the implied context.

[next edge]

Is assa like that? Iteration is way better and more than that

But you can just garrote and afk if you like

[strange python]

Christ almighty

[oak sky]

bro he said if youre mythic clearing rn i assume he means for fated prepatch

[urban minnow]

He was really just trying to help you out by saying you don’t need to feel pressured to play outlaw if you don’t want to. However if you feel it’s too impossible to not play it, because of rotation or numbers, ya shouldn’t have even brought ti up since your mind was made up.

❤️

[weary marten]

are you guys also having trouble to make your bars and add or foresee usage of : thistle tea, dance, cold blood, exsanguinate, Echoing reprimand, gouge ...

that's so much new potential slots

[balmy condor]

yes, maybe, no, definitely, yes, probably in m+

[oak sky]

well some of those probably won't get used, and we dropped at least one keybind in door/blink/whatever so

[weary marten]

so cold blood = never ? all others possible ?

[balmy condor]

yes

[weary marten]

my dance keybind is my vendetta keybind usually 😭

totally need to rethink that

[teal bloom]

Hit target dummy for some time and exsang felt so bad

[balmy condor]

that's cause exsang is a terrible ability

:)

[weary marten]

is there macro possibility now like old " [talent:3/2]" but for like "talent = known" ?

[balmy condor]

no

[weary marten]

meh

ok

[teal bloom]

So do you always refresh your garrote and rupture just before exsang regardless of their current duration?

[weary marten]

pretty sure that's what we did in previous exsang usages

[balmy condor]

ye

[weary marten]

can some of you show current interface and keybinds ?

i'm so lost, need to try something new

[cobalt hemlock]

had a guy trying to convince me you can change talents in m+ during a key so was he just plainly lying or is it a bug

[sand elm]

blizz said u wont be able to change them during active m+ keys

[hot ingot]

Any of you guys got a build? tried the icyveins one and im dog or its dog

[sand elm]

ur not dog, ur rat

[hot ingot]

Shiettt, you might be right

[gusty mirage]

[oblique jackal]

Anyone having issues with the poison spell not opening on action bars?

[sand elm]

u using elvui?

[gusty mirage]

you can right click it in the spell book and drag and drop the poisons you'll use

not the best workaround

but that's the best I got for you rn

[oblique jackal]

i am using Elvui

[sand elm]

im using elvui and have the same issue

[brave vortex]

Same here

[oblique jackal]

i assumed that's the best work around but wanted to see if it's a known issue

[gusty mirage]

yea it's something janky with elv

they did update it today

haven't tried the new update though

[sand elm]

i just put the 2 poisons i use on my action bars

[gusty mirage]

ye

that's the best bet until all the addon shit is sorted

[thorn fjord]

They fix any of our stuff during maintenance?

[gusty mirage]

[thorn fjord]

[oblique jackal]

Yall having a big stealth icon in the middle of your screen to?

[deft vault]

is there anyway to make action bar dissapear but they appear when you mouse over them?

witht he new base ui

[weary marten]

i tried different settings and answer seems to be no

[deft vault]

seems like they forgot a ton of shit

[weary marten]

i can't "fast keybind" scrolling wheel

[deep nimbus]

In multi-target, if rupture and CT are both falling off, which is prio

Probably CT cuz that effects more mobs?

[limber lion]

Yes, CT

[oblique jackal]

Anyone why the stealth icon is in the middle of the screen?

[oak sky]

If you go to edit mode its probably showing up as stance bar

Just a guess

Or it might be a weird elvui interaction

[oblique jackal]

yeah its not the stance bar

[spice spire]

It could also be big debuffs, is what I think someone said earlier

[worthy timber]

yes, it is bigdebuffs. i had same issue

[oblique jackal]

howd ya fix it

[spice spire]

Disable it

[oblique jackal]

haha fair point

[normal mist]

Gotta say, i kinda like those random ambushes in the ST build

[oak sky]

Blindside is sick

[graceful crow]

any ppl with some sims with the rogue assa ?

[river bloom]

So what poisons ya'll running for mythic+?

[timid cloud]

Worse comes to worse, you can always do what I did….

/cast Deadly Poison

I couldn’t even use it in my spell book.

[tranquil birch]

I love the new system but after trying it the button bloat is real and my potato brain really kind of hates that

[fallow canopy]

Dropping venom rush to gain kingsbane, who needs 7 energy per cast anyways

[timber pawn]

has anyone found a good replacement for the dot tracker bars in elvui

[spice spire]

Plater

[molten timber]

Any word from Blizz if they plan on making Duskwalker work with Deathmark or are we just going to use Deathly Shadows for all of Prepatch?

[molten timber]

❤️

[gusty mirage]

best guess at when it'll get hotfixed is soon ™️

[molten timber]

I was hopefull the emergency maintenance earlier would have fixed it T.T

[next edge]

Do we now if Exhsang is working properly?

[gusty mirage]

didn't even know it was broken

mark my words, if exsang is that much better than not playing it I'm not playing assassination

[next edge]

Was just triggering you

[gusty mirage]

WHY MUST YOU HURT ME LIKE THIS

[molten timber]

What's better, playing Exsang or playing Pirate?

[next edge]

Embrace the sub channel

[next edge]

Delete the rogue

[gusty mirage]

I'd rather play pirate

as much as that pains me to say out loud

[next edge]

I actually don't enjoy pre-patch pirate but probably will enjoy more on DF without this busted iteration

[molten timber]

I miss WoD Combat so much T.T
I'm honestly right there with you though, Exsang feels bad.

[gusty mirage]

I already toughed it out for 2 patches

idk if I can handle an entire expansion of it

[drifting light]

disable BigDebuffs

[shut pollen]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[hollow river]

[oak sky]

pirate bangs

[pure skiff]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[timid cloud]

I’ll just play Warrior or something if Sin has to play Exsang.

[minor gate]

I too love having scurvy

[teal bloom]

Yeah, I hadn't ever played with exsang before so I didn't know how much it sucks. I guess I'll get used to it but it makes the spec a lot more unenjoyable and not taking it is a big dps loss

[vestal dune]

Can Ambush and Mutilate be macroed to the same key without issues?

[drifting cloud]

they cant

[vestal dune]

Damn

[short night]

so we're really not supposed to take any capstone talents?

for prepatch

[sand elm]

only carnage in the m+ build. raid build doesnt

[oak sky]

tbh i almost wish carnage was 2mins but uncapped

[balmy condor]

You can experiment with kingsbane, will be a lot better with Duskwalker once it’s fixed

We’re just not sure what the best build is for prepatch and I have no interest in finding it out

Because uh

Fuck that

[wooden dawn]

dont think uncapping would still make it great

most big pulls are around 8-10 nowadays anyway

[oak sky]

its not about getting uncapped or not

thats not why i want it like that

[wooden dawn]

for energy?/agil or wat

[oak sky]

uncap doesn't matter for energy

but like nah if it was a longer cd but stronger then we would get to cleave and shit more

i did a low key today and not having it up almost felt better than having it up for a pack

[short night]

did we lose vendetta 😐 how does duskwalker work hahah

sorry ive barely played ass

also weirdly i dont have flag in my spellbook.. wtf

[oak sky]

but i like really love multidotting so im kinda special

[balmy condor]

Deathmark replaces vendetta, dusk is supposed to work with it but doesn’t atm

[balmy condor]

Only avail in shadowlands zones

[short night]

OHH gotcha

honestly i wish they woulda just turned off all SL stuff for prepatch

so we can practice with what will actually be in df

i do not care to try to use 3 different covenant abilities at once

lmfao

[balmy condor]

Yeah

[short night]

its insane

[balmy condor]

It’s not pretty when guide writing either

[short night]

like outlaw right now is so dumb.. literally 6 major cds to track

i think its organized well ❤️

[balmy condor]

Having to update my covenant and legendary recommendations

[short night]

appreciate the info

[balmy condor]

For fucking prepatch

[short night]

id think blizz devs would have an easier time collecting data if they just turned off all set + legos + cov stuff

[balmy condor]

There’s a million reasons why shadowlands stuff should’ve been disabled

But idk

[short night]

did any sin legos get moved to talents?

[balmy condor]

Guess not

[balmy condor]

Basically all of them

[short night]

oh.. i guess theyre renamed

[balmy condor]

Doomblade, zoldyck, master assassin, dashing, tiny toxic blade

They share names

[short night]

oh.. no patch though?

[balmy condor]

Duskwalkers is not there, no

[short night]

intredasting

[balmy condor]

You would just auto-take it anyway

[timid cloud]

Well it could be worse, could’ve had to deal with tier & double dipping legendaries.

Dodged a bullet there.

[balmy condor]

If Duskwalker was on the tree you would play kingsbane and that

Basically forever

Sounds really build limiting

[sand elm]

does the 70 build take shadow dance?

[balmy condor]

In m+ maybe

In single target no

[sand elm]

assuming itll be tea + ER in that case

[short night]

this may be a dumb question but

im assuming we take the two talented poisons?

on sin

[balmy condor]

Amp is bugged atm

And you can’t take dragon tempered on live

[short night]

😮

[balmy condor]

You don’t have the points

[short night]

amp is the lethal or non lethal?

[sand elm]

would replace deadly

[wary ice]

amp is the lethal

[short night]

oh. so we still go deadly rn?

[short night]

dragon lets you have 4 right

[sand elm]

2 lethal 2 non

[short night]

will that outperform kb?

[timid cloud]

2 lethal 2 non

[sand elm]

just wait for 11.0 when we can take kingsbane and DTB

[short night]

assassin seems cool.. sigh i guess il go farm shard of azzinoth

[balmy condor]

Dtb is currently slightly better with level 70

[sand elm]

best of luck

[short night]

i mean its like 15% right

[sand elm]

shouldnt take too long to get

[short night]

i was surprised to find out warglaives is 5%

thats like not that bad at all

[sand elm]

warglaives drop all the time

only legendary thats hard to get is the bow from sunwell

[short night]

to get warglavies xmog do you still need to do BT during timewalking?

[short night]

i have it on my hunter 😛

[sand elm]

afaik yeh

[sand elm]

my paladin has it :S

[short night]

i dont even understand the difference. if you get the drop you cant xmog it?

what do u need to do timewalking for

[sand elm]

i dont know how it works now cos they made some legendaries transmogable

unless its only glaives to make people do BT timewalking

[short night]

wait

can outlaw rogue mog to warglaives

[sand elm]

from what i can find warglaives were not on the list of legendaries that can be transmoged

assuming to get people to do BT timewalking

[short night]

oh apparently bt timewalking lets you get the appearnce account wide for all DH

only works on dh

but you have to have both real warglavies first

then do timewalking bt

[sand elm]

hmm the fangs of the father can be tho. might actually do that

[split grail]

Is duskwalker useless now or does it work with deathmark and the ui just doesn't show it. Also, do we pretty much use deathmark the same as we'd use vendetta?

[sand elm]

doesnt work at all with deathmark currently

and ull use deathmark on cd synced with vanish

[short night]

do you have the final apperance?

[sand elm]

i dont. i started the questline back in cata but i never finished it

[split grail]

thanks

[sand elm]

[short night]

same i have just the starting one

[sand elm]

i actually forgot they even existed

[short night]

shard of azzinoth is good for ass i think

legos are fun..

i got dragonwrath last week

[sand elm]

nice

last 1 i did was shadowmourne

[short night]

aw shit man is BT flex loot?

cant run 10 and 25

lame

[sand elm]

yeh they did some fucky stuff with it to make it drop usable loot in timewalking

like how they ruined ulduar

[red tinsel]

How you guys feel with Sin on M+ nowå

[sand elm]

imo it feels bad doing any aoe without crimson tempest

[short night]

that carnage capstone talent looks insane

is level 70 sin aoe simming well?

[sand elm]

last i saw it was just under middle

[marsh cedar]

hello boys any 1 here have weakaura for garrot that show timer for improve garrot and after that the garrot normal timer

[sand elm]

since we got nerfed over the last few weeks

[short night]

like middle of all dps specs?

[sand elm]

yeh, we were just below average on raid testing logs

[short night]

thats st raid tho?

not m+?

[sand elm]

st and low cleave

i dno in m+

[short night]

any suggestions for cool assassination dagger xmog

[red tinsel]

But why wouldnt you take CT?

[sand elm]

u wouldnt, but the current prepatch dungeon build sacrifices so much st damage to get carnage. im hoping the 70 build is a bit better

[short night]

carnage seems bonkers

[sand elm]

but doing raids with any amount of aoe just feels bad. poison bomb does sod all now and all u can do is try and put rupture on as many targets as u can

it just feels a little all or nothing. u can either aoe at the cost of st, or u just dont

[oak sky]

its a pretty significant burst actually

like its not ridiculous but

its alright

[sand elm]

its one of those abilities that will scale in higher keys better

the longer trash stays alive

[oak sky]

ehh sort of

they only need to live for ~30s

its more big pack timings

[sand elm]

cos if stuff gets aoed down pretty quick then u wont get the full dot damage off

[short night]

im not sure if ill go sin or outlaw for df

😐

really wish there was a glyph to make it not a gun

maybe a mini crossbow or something

[sand elm]

outlaw is looking to be the stronger pick atm if ur a fotm player

[short night]

the gun breaks my immersion

[short night]

its stressing me tf out in prepatch bc the rotation is so complex with 3 lego traits and 2 covenant abilities

[oak sky]

just make a macro that has #showtooltip something that looks better to you

[short night]

haha i meant the actual animation

[sand elm]

i always tell people to play what they enjoy. if a spec stresses u out and ur not having fun, then dont play it

no point being top of the meters if u hate playing the game

[short night]

i just hate the pirate theme

true tho

[sand elm]

yeh i get that

[short night]

ur right

[sand elm]

at the end of the day

ur winning at the game so long as ur not a survival hunter

[short night]

so real

to me im not having fun at all unless my char looks how i want

like i have to have the correct xmog

[sand elm]

answered ur question then

[oak sky]

outlaw gameplay is pretty sick in df

[short night]

it is neat. constnat rapidfire shots

[sand elm]

thats heresy in this here assassination channel

[short night]

if shard doesnt drop rn ima be mad

i think if i ever got warglaives id just switch to dh

[oak sky]

always feel free to enjoy any spec you want though

don't get pressured into playing the meta spec all the time

[short night]

although how often can you actually do bc raid timewalking

xd

idr how often it rotates

twice a year itd come up i think

[oak sky]

you can just walk to it

you can just go to black temple and walk in and solo it

cant you

[sand elm]

not timewalking no

[short night]

to get the xmogabble appearance you have to do timewalking bt

after already getting actual glaives

on that same char

then that gives you xmog appearance on all dh on ur acco9unt

[sand elm]

every 7 months itll come around

from whenever it last was

now theyve added legion timewalking

[short night]

so you have to farm actual warglaives

then wait 7 months

xd

[sand elm]

yup

[oak sky]

wait why does warglaives work like that

[short night]

certain legos arent xmoggable

warglavies being one

[oak sky]

nah

like

[sand elm]

the transmog unlock is tied to timewalking bt

[oak sky]

why do you have to get it twice

[short night]

wym

you dont

[oak sky]

o

[sand elm]

cos bliz dum

[short night]

when you do timewalking its 100%

you just finish illidna

and u get the xmog

doesnt have to drop again

so you farm glaives and then just do bt timewalking once and u get it

daddy please drop dagger

[fallen raven]

yeah i think it's just so you don't have to farm them again on your dh alt if you got them on another character

[short night]

nope 😛

idts

achv is for doing bt timewalking while having actual warglaives

"ill hold these for you until you get out"

LETS GOOOOO

[sand elm]

hah grats

[mellow dagger]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/warglaive-of-azzinoth/674016/105 for those that wish to keep this alive

btw

[reef nacelle]

so bit of a random question, I was an elvui user and now I'm gonna try to use the new UI...but I can't stand tracking my auras using the debuffs on the target. anyone got a good addon recommendation to get a countdown timer bar for them like elvui had?

[dark token]

Weakaura

[reef nacelle]

will take a peek at it, thanks!

[plain jetty]

does lethal dose include every single dot? like would it include bonespike?

[oak sky]

Yeah

Anything sourced from the spec

[plain jetty]

cool thanks!

[oak sky]

No trinkets or anything like that

[plain jetty]

ah gotcha

and im assuming not the other rogues or like a survival hunter bleeds or anything

right?

[oak sky]

Yeah

[plain jetty]

cool thanks

[oak sky]

Only stuff that comes from you

[strange python]

Whats the best expansion to leviling a rogue?

[balmy condor]

The datamined Envenom nerf from Beta is a Bug
The intended value is the 0.22 (post 37.5% buff). Disregard the 0.16 that was datamined earlier today.

[oak sky]

Any work legion and mop always the most fun

Wod is fast iirc

[strange python]

What is iirc?

[marsh rampart]

if i recall correctly

[strange python]

Thanks, I think i will play with fury warrior.

[dark token]

Wod you just hunt every treasure and insta get 50

Stack XP pots with it

Complete all the area objectives then hunt treasure

[coral agate]

I know logs are way too early to get an idea and we are missing some talent choices for 70 (like double poisons), but man I feel so weak compared to my colleagues during tonight's SotFO run.

[balmy condor]

Did you play sin?

[coral agate]

Ya

[balmy condor]

I think I have found the issue

[coral agate]

lol

Also didn't know this before going in: "Duskwalkers does not currently work on Deathmark. This will be hotfixed in at a later date. Play Deathly instead"

That hurt and felt like I wasn't getting nearly as many Deathmarks as I was expecting.

[balmy condor]

Yeah it’s also just Assassination does about 10k less than outlaw right now

[marble zephyr]

hightauren or regular bois

[coral agate]

Is Lashing Scars also bugged? No matter the iLvl it's only doing 12% increased damage from the 90%+ before for Flag.

[balmy condor]

Very possible

[fringe lily]

Anyone having issues getting WA to track snd?

[weak isle]

Nop mine works fine

https://wago.io/B16NPOV4X

Feel free to copy it

[fringe lily]

Hmm, very strange

Did you go from 9 to 10 with no changes?

[deep night]

Anyone got a good assass pvp build?

[strange python]

at what amount of cp should i be using finishers on?

[balmy condor]

Max-1

[strange python]

so if i have 4cp i just use any finisher?

[balmy condor]

If your max is 5 yep

[strange python]

then for shiv i just aim for maximum uptime?

[balmy condor]

If you’re playing kingsbane you hold both charges for it to get the whole kingsbane shiv’d

Otherwise just avoid overcapping charges

Holding 1 charge for Deathmark always

[subtle tundra]

🤓

smartie

[balmy condor]

[primal walrus]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[subtle tundra]

gah i want to play wow 😦 dogshit prepatch 😦

[lament idol]

they have fixed the cp issue?

[fallen arch]

take a break

seems like the best moment

[subtle tundra]

i've been on break since s4 started

[fallen arch]

I've been on break since end of s2

pog

[subtle tundra]

and i really want assa to be good

[fallen arch]

same

[subtle tundra]

not the best but not strictly worse than outlaw

like it usually is

[fallen arch]

1 month

then we will be king

maybe

[lament idol]

do you guys have issues con cp points on afenar weakauras?

[night delta]

the previous "has talent" load conditions and triggers were overhauled to fit the new talent tree design

most likely it broke because of it

[viral aurora]

Man, assa rogues went full environmentally aware andy! There is zero energy production! what on Gods green earth

[subtle tundra]

Are you using deadly poison?

[viral aurora]

meeeeeejbe

[subtle tundra]

Surely it couldn't be instant right?

[viral aurora]

meeeeejbe

god damnit!

back to full emission!!

[normal mist]

[subtle tundra]

Haha tax evasion

[normal mist]

I.C feels amazing in dungeons specially AoE ones

[subtle tundra]

Yea if you turn details off

[viral aurora]

what a good/fun talent tbh. Bravo Blizz, bravo!

[normal mist]

I mean I'm okay with the numbers I'm doing for now

... i just need to not try outlaw

[subtle tundra]

🤨

How's your st 💀

[normal mist]

Well I'm a bad comparison but I ST i was doing around 14/15k

[subtle tundra]

😬

[normal mist]

(was higher before patch)

[viral aurora]

yeah, don´t try outlaw

[normal mist]

But yeah I don't have legendaries rn which doesn't help too

But managed to do 20k overall in a 16 upper, pretty proud!

[subtle tundra]

Don't look at other classes

Esp don't do a key with a ww

[normal mist]

The warrior in my workshop yesterday

I saw a WW 1shot me yesterday in arena

Literally 2s kill

Dafuq is wrong with them

[subtle tundra]

😔

[viral aurora]

Welcome to Jurassic Prepatch!

[normal mist]

I mean I'm not focusing on numbers right now I'll be honest.
For now i really just want to appreciate the trees and learn the flow

(tries outlaw, do 356 7cp finishers in a row) alrighty then

[oak sky]

i topped a 15

[viral aurora]

were the other dps lvl 60 yet?

[oak sky]

it was just other piss specs

mm hunter and priest

thats why

and its a 15

[subtle tundra]

I don't think mm hunter is piss

[oak sky]

well

[viral aurora]

jk, everyone isn´t as shit as me in assa

[oak sky]

that mm hunter was

[subtle tundra]

But the players in 15s usually are

[oak sky]

the priest was my guildie

hes a main

i dont think hes played much df shadow tho

[glacial crypt]

based

[cobalt hemlock]

does alacrity feel so weird for anyone else like times where i put in like multiple 6 combo points finishers and it just doesnt refresh it or give me a stack

[oak sky]

yeah it got nerfed

it has much lower uptime than it used to

[cobalt hemlock]

not a fan of that

[viral aurora]

the mech rings out of fashion now?! seeing quite a few dudes and dudettes not using them

[solemn spade]

poison

[balmy condor]

Melandrus is good but mecha are fine

Doesn’t really matter

It’s prepatch

Nothing matters

Anarchy

[summer mantle]

surely we wont be like that in DF. Blizz will help us

[balmy condor]

DF Numbers definitely look better

outlaw getting kinda carried right now by 1. Good tree 2. Flag + dreadblades 3. Shadowdust is one hell of a drug

[willow rapids]

Ye, especially with the best talent

[next edge]

I did one key as outlaw and fuck this shit im out

[balmy condor]

EoN being bonkers helps too

[balmy condor]

It’s only 75 apm

Don’t be a pussy

[next edge]

It gets worse in DF?

[balmy condor]

I’ve seen sims go up to 80 but that was pre-energy nerf

[sturdy merlin]

I guess losing shadowdust will slow down the rotation

But it's still outlaw

[willow rapids]

Ye pre energ was a bit faster

[viral aurora]

no way, it´s the dust leggo that doesn´t allow you to settle down

[balmy condor]

Fury and prot warrior were struggling to keep up with outlaw on beta in terms of speed

Literally just button mash simulator

[next edge]

I just dont enjoy this vanish degenerate gameplay

with 2 covenants

and DB

every 20 sec

[viral aurora]

same. I do enjoy complexity, but this is just mashing. not very fun, moved away from it when it was more meta during SL.

[summer mantle]

Always liked the concept of outlaw but I feel like it isnt that piratety theme wise but I guess a full plunge towards that would turn a lot of people off

Feels more like a half and half kinda thing

[balmy condor]

They added rtb, removed guile and revealing strike, and added a pirate theme

And I never played it again

I was 75/25 combat and sub in wod

[summer mantle]

RTB is such a ... yeah I hate it

[balmy condor]

Naturally I play maplestory as a side game

You know what I main?

Buccaneer

And it has a rtb mechanic

Fuck me

I cant escape the sirens call of pirate shit

[subtle tundra]

😔

[balmy condor]

[oak sky]

outlaw is fun

hater

[willow rapids]

Embrace the pirate

[balmy condor]

Maplestory rtb is super whack though, 1-6 is do nothing, defense, crit rate, attack, %damage, exp gain

[oak sky]

exp gain

[balmy condor]

That’s the best one actually

[oak sky]

is that shit just for leveling

[balmy condor]

Obviously not when bossing

But like

[oak sky]

ye

[balmy condor]

The damage buff from it sucks lowkey

So it’s whatever

But when you’re leveling

And you rng into the double roll exp

+30%

Woooooooo

[viral aurora]

Sea of Thieves next!

[balmy condor]

You’re cranking

[oak sky]

when i did ms2 i played whatever ninja class there was

[balmy condor]

Thief was only good ms2 class

[oak sky]

idk which one it was

it reminds me of sub a bit

like theme wise

gameplay didnt exist

at least not how i was playing

[balmy condor]

Ms1 dual blade is sub

Cooldown centric class but it’s all like 10ish seconds

It’s giga sick though

My favorite alt atm

[oak sky]

mustve been assassin

that i played

[balmy condor]

I mean… if that were sectec on top

And shadow blades on bottom

I’d cream

[oak sky]

remove shadow blades

😈

[balmy condor]

Give the big slashy slashy

I want something like monk sef

[oak sky]

i had like a sub new cd idea

[balmy condor]

You hit button

And it just goes bonkers

[oak sky]

i was thinking like

your cd is a finisher because sub

and it like

does the soul cap thing

and explodes for x% damage at the end

[balmy condor]

Sick

Ship it

[oak sky]

make it about dance length

[balmy condor]

Yes

[oak sky]

still a 3min

[balmy condor]

Banger

[oak sky]

and since its a finisher

it would interact with

EVERYTHING

[balmy condor]

Love it, yes

More

I’m close

[oak sky]

maybe we let it get recast to blow up early

and it does aoe (talent??)

[balmy condor]

I finished ty

[oak sky]

touch of the subgi

except its a finisher so its better

but yeah the whole idea was basically sub loves soul cap and finisher so it does deepening shadows and shadowed finishers

[balmy condor]

Also the second here is a hold down button, guess what wow just added

[oak sky]

[balmy condor]

[oak sky]

but like yeah thats my unironic big dam sub cd idea thing

[balmy condor]

Maplestory got shit characters too though we just don’t talk about those

[balmy condor]

Solid 10/10 idea

[oak sky]

yeah

i kinda had a shower thought

a few weeks ago

[subtle tundra]

Nice assa channel more like maplestory channel

[balmy condor]

Slow conversion

[oak sky]

the other thing was probably self explanatory but the % of your damage dealt it would repeat was scaling with cp but idk if that would play well

[balmy condor]

I’m just saying, between maplestory and wow, one games playerbase has been growing over the last 5 years

And it ain’t wow

[oak sky]

wild

like im cool if nothing like that idea ever sees the light of day but i hope if blades eventually does get reimagined its something thats well thought ouy

out

[subtle tundra]

[snow plinth]

do i need ambush on my bar for blindside or can i use a macro to make mut turn into ambush when it procs?

[oak sky]

!bs

[prisma monolith]

Macroing Ambush to Mutilate only works with the use of a addon.
It comes with the downside that it often requires multiple key presss.
Suggested addon to use(Gnome Sequencer):http://tiny.cc/mxb6tz
Showcase Video: #assassination message

[balmy condor]

That thing is shit btw

I’m tempted to through out that whole ass command and just replace it with “no.”

[oak sky]

definitely recommend binding it

@balmy condor i like desperately want sub to be cool

when i started i sort of wanted to be a sub main

[balmy condor]

Sub is cool

[oak sky]

sorry

cooler

[balmy condor]

It’s just got so much potential

Untapped

To be GIGA cool

[oak sky]

the rotten!!!!!!!

[balmy condor]

Backstab buffing gameplay is just

[oak sky]

rework left side rework cd

[balmy condor]

Idk

[oak sky]

left side being built around symbols is a cool thing

around backstab is mid

[balmy condor]

I get that it’s a novel concept or whatever to make a shit ability slap super hard

I see the vision

But like just don’t

[oak sky]

i saw the gloomblade lingering 20% logs

that made me really sad

[balmy condor]

Gloomblade 20% rupture 15%

Assassination rogues punching the air rn

[oak sky]

my key breakdown was actually good

earlier

it was like gar rupture ct

[balmy condor]

Yeh

[oak sky]

then poisons

[balmy condor]

Yeh

Fok should be in there

[oak sky]

it was hella low

like 3%

[balmy condor]

Uhhhhh

[oak sky]

yeahhh

[balmy condor]

You take fok talents?

[oak sky]

pk

[balmy condor]

[oak sky]

didnt take flying

i didnt fuck with the build too too much

[balmy condor]

And only 3%

[oak sky]

it was a 15 workshop

so nothing crazy

[balmy condor]

Oh Workshop doesn’t help

[oak sky]

yeahh

carnage felt pretty bad

tbh

[balmy condor]

Fok in Beta keys was cranking

[balmy condor]

Yeah fok was roughly eon level

[oak sky]

22.7k overall

not very high

i think i just ended up using mut and sbs a lot

[balmy condor]

Yeh

[oak sky]

because its more of a cleave key for a lot of it

[balmy condor]

Single target andy

[oak sky]

yeah

i miss doing true multidotting kinda

like carnage cranks damage

[viral aurora]

I like Deathmark

[oak sky]

but not spreading on most packs is weird

[balmy condor]

Carnage is very satisfying imo

[oak sky]

when i looked at the numbers it was like

big

but i like reallllly miss how we played in keys in like 9.1

[balmy condor]

Yeh I getchu

You would’ve enjoyed 8.1-8.2 a lot I think

We played shrouded + scent back then

[royal lantern]

carnage pre-pull, garrote->rupture into envenom 1guy feels good

[oak sky]

i think im gonna miss flag too

low key

ive played it for like 2 years its gonna feel empty

[summer mantle]

Carnage feels nice to press

[balmy condor]

We may not be meta

But by god the button is good to press

And that’s what matters

[viral aurora]

now, does the empowered garrote apply to all mobs when ur using carnage from stealth? and how about iron wire?

[balmy condor]

Yea

[normal mist]

Yesterday night i had what I think is a bug with carnage

[balmy condor]

To both

[oak sky]

i didnt play tricks or iron wire and THAT was weird

[normal mist]

After pressing the shining rupture, garrote stopped shining 😦

[oak sky]

and i kept wanting to rtb between packs

[normal mist]

(i didn't lose the carnage buff)

[royal lantern]

how do you feel about APM?

[oak sky]

no opinion

[balmy condor]

On your action bar?

[summer mantle]

yeah totally forgot trick is a talent now ... oopsie

[oak sky]

i think im gonna like sin a lot of i can play it in high keys/ if i do high keys

for m+

[normal mist]

Yes

[oak sky]

because your dots actually drop

[royal lantern]

it just means tricks is not a thing anymore

nobody is gonna talent tricks ever

waste of a point

[balmy condor]

Oh, yeah I think that’s a thing but we got bigger issues to care about

[balmy condor]

Tank aggro was really good in beta honestly

[shell niche]

anyone got a prepatch arena spec?

[summer mantle]

huh didnt know that

[balmy condor]

#pvp

[summer mantle]

just lemme get KSM reasonably quickly with sin and I will be happy dont make me be a half assed pirate

[royal lantern]

then the mage needs to chill for 1,3sec before he goes full OMG CUMBUST FLAMESTRIKEFLAMESTRIKEFLAMESTRIKEICEBLOCK for once

[oak sky]

not being able to prepull anymore in keys is like pain

and like actually being able to get aggro if your tank sucks is ass

[balmy condor]

Yeah

It’s not that bad tho

[oak sky]

I think we can get tricks tho cant we

Pathing straight througj

[balmy condor]

We can

[oak sky]

You lose blackjack tho

[balmy condor]

Yeh but that’s kinda fine

[oak sky]

Yeah thats what i thought

[balmy condor]

It’s a trade of utility for utility

Good talent tree

[oak sky]

Yeah its more like tricks default blackjack if theres a fucked up target you need to blind interrupt so you dont die

I think rn the stuff i kinda have a problem with is like where acro is and how theres weird workarounds and shit to get extra damage nodes

[halcyon lynx]

What does our Talent Tree looks like for M+? Is it rly skipping (for now) the last row in Rogue tree?

[balmy condor]

Carnage sbs

Wowhead has an m+ tree

Anyway

Is that time

Gn fellow doomers

[halcyon lynx]

gn

[cobalt hemlock]

gn

[oak sky]

But heres the snoozer

[uncut echo]

Gn Whispyr ❤️

[visual hemlock]

can you play in m+ with improved garrote, shrouded suffocation and with carnage? they not gonna overwrite each other?

[potent topaz]

nope

they don't

[potent topaz]

The toolkit itself feels nice in m+ no matter what but the output compared to others is not there. I tried IC in beta m+ and was ok-ish in aoe and absolute crap in ST.
Going full ST the aoe is pretty much non existent and the ST does not skyrocket above other specs as compensation.

[opaque sparrow]

do we use amplifying poison over deadly poison? seems weaker to me while reading the description?

[jade abyss]

its a option to play zoldyck legendary in m+ ? instead of deathly? dont wanna build a new one xD

[cobalt hemlock]

i tried both and deathly feels way better because your dmg goes in these bursts during the carnage with improved garrote and stealth the 15% dmg boost can be nice

[arctic hare]

I love indiscriminate carnage, its so beautiful

[royal lantern]

if now only the dmg would be beautiful

[cobalt hemlock]

felt good for me when you do it with the improved garrote but maybe i play with dogshit people xD

[summer mantle]

Cant have both. Beautiful ability or damage. Only one, not both

[potent topaz]

well, technically IC does no dmg at all. only helps with bleed ramp up.

[subtle tundra]

I mean, yea, rn on prepatch you can't compare the numbers cause all of the sl stuff

[royal lantern]

🤓

[potent topaz]

^^

[subtle tundra]

On beta is does aight dmg but not enough

Considering you invest so much for it

[cobalt hemlock]

yeah plus the covenant abilities plus you dont have all the points you need so this is really just for fun

[potent topaz]

when Scent gets fixed and if Shrouded would receive Azerite lvl treatment then you would feel much more benefit using IC

[subtle tundra]

Gahhhj stop with wanting ss as strong as before

[potent topaz]

SS was never the problem back then. it was EB

[wooden sentinel]

Does anyone has a fonctionnal weakaura that tracks all the bleeding/poisons?

[thorn fjord]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[wooden sentinel]

Thank you.

[faint rock]

Is it really worth it going for Amplifying Poison instead of Deadly? Doesnt seem to do much damage

[spice spire]

Pins. (No)

[normal mist]

We only using CT in 3+ targets and during the new vendetta or?
I believe i haven't read enough to answer this myself yet xD

(m+)

From pins is "maintain in AoE", so me being dumb as fuck, what's considered AoE? 3+? 5+?

That's in advance for any explanation, I'm dumb

(and I keep pressing CT due to PTSD during all encounters)

[thick burrow]

If i am not wrong 2~3 targets are cleave, somewhere on the guide, there is an info about envenom if 5 targets and CT if 6 or more