assassination

[oak sky]

elemental assaults or something

[strange python]

does anyone use focus hotkeys in pve

like focus ability or even having a focus target

[timid cloud]

Just for Tricks.

Some do for kicks.

Like big pulling Gambit Fish stick dudes.

[balmy condor]

I have a @junior cypressstickdude macro

whoops

hi fish

he's got a red name he's chill

but yeh

I have it set by name

so I don't have to focus them

just kicks the closest one

have to worry about position a lil

but works okay enough for me

[strange python]

i see

im trying really hard to find keybinds

i have like a bunch of focus for pvp on my bar

just having trouble organizing where each ability goes

😦 dont want to have to put CT on a shift key but its looking like i might have to

[sturdy merlin]

I’ve been waiting for this, tyvm @balmy condor

[sturdy merlin]

I thought you were going to recommend this talent tree, what has changed your mind? Ease of use ?

You posted this one a few days ago and it was tons of fun on ptr, i might stick to this but i’m curious

[balmy condor]

3 points for zold didn't sit right with me and sbs is really strong

felt more comfortable recommending something a bit more familiar than hedge my bets on the interaction of 1 min flag with a legendary that might not work day 1 and a new cooldown

was just a lot of "maybe" in there

that build is still fine though

[sturdy merlin]

👍🏻 great work

[vestal wren]

is that KINGSBANE, the one and only, the INCREDIBLE, WORLD DESTROYING ability that sees a return?

[night delta]

Did someone say [Thunderfury, blessed blade of the Windseeker] ?

[marble hemlock]

Er > alac/ds?

[balmy condor]

nop

well

[marble hemlock]

K

[balmy condor]

maybe with 60

idk

[marble hemlock]

Yeah just thinking back to our Convo

And it had deeper instead

[balmy condor]

yeh yeh

it should still be fine

the big worry is if amp doesn't get fixed

[marble hemlock]

Ye

[balmy condor]

might even be a "drop doomblade+sbs+PB and put them into kingsbane angle"

[marble hemlock]

Guides are being proofread as we speak, so some stuff might go live before i can update/fix ><

[balmy condor]

send me link so I can put in pins

:>

[marble hemlock]

I will once it's up

[balmy condor]

depending on how strong 1 min flag + 1 min kingsbane + 1 min deathmark is

might need to change to kingsbane

[marble hemlock]

Yeah

[balmy condor]

but duskwalker doesn't work on ptr atm

so

uh

[marble hemlock]

And how bad amp is

[balmy condor]

doomed

idk I'm tempted to just leave it as it is

[marble hemlock]

Same

And just put a disclaimer

[balmy condor]

and just say "idk prepatch go fuck yourself"

yeh

[marble hemlock]

I'd rather not brood over prepatch guide info for and entire week

[balmy condor]

something like that

should be fine

right?

people will definitely read that

[marble hemlock]

Nah

I still remember our tier list disclaimer

[jade abyss]

Sounds like "take all the juicy mastery"

[marble hemlock]

In huge bolded red Font

[balmy condor]

crit mastery in dragonflight brother

[jade abyss]

Sounds so hot🥵

Like that btw unity work on sbs from the tree? So we get flag and sbs unity?

[balmy condor]

ye

[night delta]

oh that sounds scuffed

[jade abyss]

Delicious

[balmy condor]

thats another reason why I didn't recommend ER

cause like

that might not be intended

but if it is

maybe ER good?

cause saves you a point?

but also might not?

cause the effect is on the tree

[jade abyss]

ER was kyrian ability?

[balmy condor]

so it doesn't?

yes

[jade abyss]

Maybe it stacks? X)

I meam cmon its pre patch blizzad can give a fuck about balance :D

[balmy condor]

they don't

that's why all the guides are scuffed

[marble hemlock]

I mean you'd just pick reverb instead

[balmy condor]

no you wouldn't

[marble hemlock]

1 point alac instead?

[balmy condor]

lethality me think

but idk

no prepatch sims

prepatch sims are scuffed

and wrong

[marble hemlock]

Eww

[balmy condor]

and bad

[marble hemlock]

I expected more from our sim queen

[balmy condor]

beta raidbots doesn't support covenants, live raidbots doesn't support new talents

everything would have to be compared by hand

and then koji would have to code in a 1 min duskwalker

and then we'd need apl for prepatch to make that work

yeah

no ty

[marble hemlock]

So you gonna blame Koji?

I'm great at selective reading btw

[balmy condor]

I love comparing talents in an advanced sim one at a time using an APL that will only be useful for 4 weeks

pogchamp

[timid cloud]

BACK TO THE MINES WITH YOU

[jade abyss]

Acidmines?

[balmy condor]

back to koji's sim basement

I've received my share of bread and sunlight

[timid cloud]

Jokes aside, we really are gonna play Exsang & they’re not changing it?

[balmy condor]

atm yes

[timid cloud]

[marble hemlock]

No

That's crazy talk

[balmy condor]

he doesn't know

[marble hemlock]

stop this heresy

im actually out of the loop, whats the dealio with exsang atm?

you exsang before deathmark and it snapshots the bleed?

without reducing deathmark duration?

[balmy condor]

worse

you exsang on cooldown for the energy

[marble hemlock]

oh

thats like legion then

who cares

[balmy condor]

because it

is really awkward

[marble hemlock]

so is your face

[subtle tundra]

Man I really don't want to raid prepatch

I feel like it's gonna be real cringe

[marble hemlock]

whispyr not responding

mans still recovering from my zinger

[balmy condor]

current best profile opens with:

gar snd gar sbs rup mut mut shiv rup exsang deathmark, vanish gar when the garrote runs out

exsang on cooldown forever,
and then 2:10 deathmark, 2:20 vanish, 2:30 exsang

it's uh

quite a sight

[subtle tundra]

😬

[elfin valley]

my eyes...

[marble hemlock]

aight

youll never play that shit like that in reality anyway

time for some lost ark dailies

idk somehow i dont find that that problematic

[balmy condor]

what do you think of this

[marble hemlock]

means once we get more gear exsang energy might be less needed so we can drop it

we back to pandemic SS garrotes?

[subtle tundra]

Sure în 10.2.5

[balmy condor]

yeah

but what if I told you using your cds like that screenshot

is -2%

[subtle tundra]

I hate assa as a cd spec man

[night delta]

sane take

f all that noise, play underoptimized, ungovernable

[marble hemlock]

ill tell you that some boss will want me to sync all my CDs for big burst instead

[balmy condor]

you burst higher talenting out of exsang and into tiny toxic blade

[marble hemlock]

good

[subtle tundra]

Fuck me

[marble hemlock]

ill take it. sold to the highest bidder.

[subtle tundra]

Nvm assa talent tree does already

[marble hemlock]

sold to the sim-lady with the cat ears and tail

[silk jolt]

You wanna exsang before or after dm?

Surely after, unless dm duplicated hasted bleeds?

[balmy condor]

before

because not only does dm duplicate hasted bleeds, it also gets halved by exsang

not that it matters, you're not lining up exsang and dm anyway

[silk jolt]

Maybe in pvp you will

But that is good to know

[balmy condor]

yeh I mean pvp is literally the "line up everything and hope they die"

[silk jolt]

Fo sho, but gotta do it in the right order as well

[balmy condor]

idk if pvp cares about deathmark being 2.5 kidneys or 1.5 kidneys long

but yeh

maybe

[woven bane]

didnt even realize that vendetta is gone in df

[balmy condor]

yup

[marble hemlock]

line up everything and hover over the alt+f4 button combination because that survival hunter is gonna remove it all with a single GCD

[thin portal]

SO uh how about that necrolord sin pvping going right now

I just sat outside Org to see what the best rogues were doing and thats working nice for me right now

I just have no idea what to do for multi-target

[upper quiver]

can you pls stop unfcking the yeps

[thorn fjord]

Happy pre patch day boiz

We made it through SL

[subtle tundra]

surely today is not wednesday

😠

[thorn fjord]

Yells in EU

Wondering how bad the tuning for the fated raids are gonna be tonight lol

Love the new pin @balmy condor 🤣

[gusty mirage]

Not our fault you’re permanently a day late

[thorn fjord]

Just take a little trip across the pond

The waters fine

[gusty mirage]

Don’t do that

It sucks here

[thorn fjord]

🤣

Shhhh you’ll spoil the surprise

[gusty mirage]

[drifting light]

Inb4 blizz extends maintenace through the night game is playable tomorrow only for US

[elfin turret]

could def see it being an additional 4 hours on top of what's scheduled

[violet jackal]

@balmy condor why does taking dragon tempered blade assume I want echoing reprimand

[vestal wren]

i assume the talent build uses er

you can't atm change the state of other toggels on the rotation tool

[lament magnet]

Anyone know if the wowhead talent calculator is right? Looks like the earliest you can get Dragon-Tempered Blades is lvl61?

[night delta]

this is correct

[lament magnet]

Thanks

[night delta]

Fair enough imo, need to at least put a foot on the dragon isles to get the Dragon-Tempered Blades

[lament magnet]

True, just means the spec i want to play will be a little gimped in comparison to others

[thorn fjord]

Should be the case for alot of specs

[wispy chasm]

Except prot warrior

[balmy condor]

Cause that’s the build

[brazen zodiac]

maplestory player

pog

[violet jackal]

but you can clearly see I did not choose to take it, what happened to my freedom of choice

[balmy condor]

What? Dragon tempered is clicked

[violet jackal]

yea but echoing reprimand is not clicked

[balmy condor]

Okay?

[sacred tundra]

Don't threaten me with a good time.

[teal bloom]

@balmy condor miss whispyr, will there be a stream today

[balmy condor]

Yes

But I’ll warn you right now

It’s gonna be more maplestory coin capping

[teal bloom]

[thorn fjord]

Did somebody say feet?

👀

[balmy condor]

[timid cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/lick-gif-22129306

[glacial bough]

chill u play reboot or what

[balmy condor]

Yuh

[glacial bough]

thats tuff

i had my first gf in maplestory

[gleaming geyser]

I was someone's first GF in Maplestory except I am not a girl. Got free ilbis though.

[cedar silo]

quick question i havent checked up on talents in awhile did they remove the raid debuff from sin and the party buff for outlaw?

[weak plover]

They moved atrophic poison to class tree and removed restless crew

[cedar silo]

hmmmmm interesting prob a smart choice tbh

now you could potentially play all 3 specs without worrying about not having the debuff

[weak plover]

Its on a choice node with Numbing. So if you want numbing you need to sacrifice atrophic or have another rogue

[languid lion]

Hello, does anybody else have trouble importing this script? https://wago.io/65zcXIfH3#

[balmy condor]

yeah seems like you might

[languid lion]

When i copy the string i only get a / instead of the typical nonsense import strings

Garrote works just fine

[balmy condor]

that works fine for me

To1xVPnmq8VoG0wGq(dd02lRsBqfkQQMh6txJBYfWQo2ihhIuFWFI23I9fBxIGaiQ0QurNKJVZ3D)8VFoh4dRbwiTybM)yiXhyr0AWKGXtOiKBrTkZk0kx6Gkuw8fxATsyxMFyZVm8sK2JQ9R5ViXHU7DPhS(DsDgx6sTIsCfwyDP)4ubEp)iwYfkHAZA683RCrbb(PI)UlDQN)qQFBr1z5FW6B8J17S1gCoBRUzWWZB41qCDeuwHFGMVqKJdoJ0Ok)CkqUKmo52iJTfEe4on8YaAJl9bj3IgV7mi9DzMw9BPU5aMxClVKgx3T3b(o2qUDgWMcSv15n)9pB(6pL8Sxl1AdcSAJeyBT2DvZhnQHVr7j0JIJEl7PLflcgfrYrWTro(VVfhL)WphE9SgyFJMnIIdhhhfht83VBGzgKmLOumWawfwUhn0jEJ9iydOjRK2SMfg0oIr)i0R4pWv5yPiZL2(gbmQUk6gcjruMW)(d

[languid lion]

Could you please send me a message of the script?

Thanks

Okay it also works for me now. Thank a lot

[prisma cypress]

any good updated WA sets?

[thorn fjord]

Wheres @spice spire been at and why isnt he under CF's?

Oh i guess he's offline

[split grail]

So which of these builds am I supposed to be using now?

[deft obsidian]

what legendary will people be using in prepatch? resounding clarity to test ow wat?

[copper hazel]

dusk

[spice spire]

I’ve been around

[thorn fjord]

I thought you abandoned us... phew

[spice spire]

Nooooo just chilling until df for now

About to have to do a bit more to help anyway

[thorn fjord]

We should start seeing a huge influx of new people coming in to the disc

Fun times

[spice spire]

It’ll be fine

Plus df channel is draining

[grim tangle]

I hate new people

[glacial bough]

But I just want to play the coolest class : (

[bitter junco]

Does spec for leveling a fresh hidden cow matter much? I was planning to just generally follow the prepatch tree in pins

[spice spire]

Not really, sin is the hardest but in general leveling rogue isn’t fun

[bitter junco]

[thorn fjord]

Yeah level as pirate

or Sub... Sin is exhausting to level with unfortunately

i cant wait to make my mooo macro and annoy the shit out of the guild

Bovine boiz

[proper tapir]

I think you mean, "exsanguinating"

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

should in theory be less miserable now that we get venomous much sooner

[spice spire]

That’s true

[gusty mirage]

that was always the roughest part of assassination

like you're always energy starved

[spice spire]

But the “leveling rogues isn’t fun” part is real

[gusty mirage]

extremely real

[spice spire]

I kill a pack and gotta eat

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

Meanwhile hunters pull rooms and chill

Or locks

Or tanks

Or self healing classes

[strange python]

How is SIn rogue so far for M+ in dragonflight?

[sturdy merlin]

Question, is dashing scoundrel working as a legendary if i don't pick it as a talent ?

[gusty mirage]

I'm not entirely sure

I'd assume yes

I can double check with senor whispyr and koji

[balmy condor]

it should

[sturdy merlin]

👍🏻 I'm just getting old legendaries out of vault if dusk doesn't work tomorrow

[charred mango]

Are the legendary effects in our talent tree the same values as the original leggo? Like the dashing scoundrel looks like it gives extra energy in the talent tree if I’m not mistaken

[gusty mirage]

they are not no

[dark token]

Na enjoying the patch so far?

[copper hazel]

NA enjoying grass right now

[minor gate]

NA enjoying bugs so far

[dark token]

Thanks for beta testing the maintenance

[strange python]

this is suffering

[bitter junco]

are things up or still in maintenance mode?

[strange python]

still in maintenance

[keen locust]

assassin looks pretty gud

[uncut echo]

That's where you're wrong, kiddo

[limpid willow]

dont let it be true

[old halo]

assa in raids will always be king imo

[oak sky]

You are entitled to your opinion

[oblique jackal]

Any reason why whispyr has us taking amp poison in pre patch

[bitter junco]

from pins in this channel "Amp Poison - Guide recommends just because it's new and you should get used to it. However it sucks a lot right now. Don't take it, and if you do, use Deadly instead if you want damage."

[balmy condor]

once mastery gets fixed on it

it'll be a decent talent

I also expect it to get a slight buff

but generally speaking the prepatch trees are all whatever

prepatch is a big meme shitfest

play what looks fun

and just enjoy it

[bitter junco]

maint pushed back another hour

[woven ruin]

Wow should really start handing out Xanax during patch days for some of you guys...

[bitter junco]

😄

it's either that or run in circles in Dalaran waiting for Ulduar

[thorn fjord]

Servers are live

[limber walrus]

Duskwalker's isn't lowering the CD for Deathmark for me, are we sure it is going to work

[balmy condor]

eventually

[keen locust]

we can finally enjoy the game. or not. lol

[balmy condor]

more on the not side

[gloomy ridge]

so... when i use Slice and Dice--- it doesnt use any combo points? hmmm

[balmy condor]

[gloomy ridge]

welp, i take that back.. if i use it after stealthing into a garrote..

then.. the combo points are used.. interesting

[split grail]

Too many talents...get back to me when theres a meta so I know what to do

[balmy pumice]

Does Zoldyck work on bosses like Sylvanus?

[gloomy ridge]

So, if you're a rogue.. and use garotte from stealth.. then use slice and dice.. it consumes no combo points lol.. gotta be a bug

[oak sky]

no

[marble furnace]

sad duskwalker not reducing deathmark. or atleast.. not yet?

[balmy condor]

not yet

IT WORKS

DUSKWALKER BIS Duskwalkers does not currently work on Deathmark. -> This has been hotfixed, go nuts
Amp Poison is still unaffected by mastery -> This has been hotfixed on all servers, go nuts

[indigo epoch]

on large pulls (>5 mobs) how many garrote/ruptures should we be trying to maintain?

@balmy condor thanks for the work you've been putting in on specs/theory shit so far m8

[balmy condor]

as many as possible while also maintaining CT

[indigo epoch]

ty

[glacial bough]

anybody have a central weak aura i can use

or idk if these ones from slands on wago work

[wooden aurora]

rip dusk

[woven hound]

guide says carnage isn't used in the opener, am i missing something here for m+ pulls?

is the idea to get bone spike + snd + imp garrotes out first?

[celest ruin]

bonespike is buggy, charges not resetting on kills even on 60 mobs and sometimes only lasting about 3 seconds

[deft vault]

hi is there anyway to make macro like this anymore./cast [talent:6/2] Toxic Blade; [talent:6/3] Exsanguinate

for like sepsis/sbs

[glacial bough]

Anyone else not able to hide the stance bar?

[thorn fjord]

Rip sin tonight lmao

[keen locust]

they used a good picture for that sin talent though

[glacial bough]

I cant get rid of this fucking stealth button lmao

[proper tapir]

I don't think so, the talent conditions haven't been in PTR or Beta

[celest ruin]

ok figured it out, when an enemy dies with SBS it clears all other units with SBS

[spice surge]

Im eu so cant check if it works but #tww-assassination message

[celest ruin]

this happens when im not talented into SBS (using the NL one) but if talented, everything works fine

[balmy condor]

opener is for single target. In aoe you would want to carnage from stealth

[prisma cypress]

anyone got an updated set of weakauras?

[oak sky]

@balmy condor im playing without ct in the world rn it feels so weird

[glacial bough]

is switching your talents supposed to take all your spells off your bars? wasnt like that in beta lol

[pure moth]

anyone elses eon top damage in the break down?

[sick aspen]

deathly on waist whispyr?

[viscid spear]

My poisons button doesn't dropout

[outer cairn]

I was wondering what was going on. Thanks for that

[outer cairn]

it has a bad habit of adding shit and taking it away

[sick aspen]

@viscid spear my poisoner doesn't recognize deadly being a talent now, thinks I don't have it, had to spell book it

[viscid spear]

It drops out from the spellbook but not from the action bar, bizarre

IC is nice

[sick aspen]

hmm, raidbots dropped support for adding in all the legendaries. does anyone have deathly shadow string for waist/legs?

[grim tangle]

yeah necrolord is completely broken, bones just disappear after one second

[hoary fulcrum]

So with blizz default UI i have my stealth smack dab in the middle
how do i move it
like the stealth icon
Not stance bar

[outer cairn]

hmm. so sync DM with vanish. is it better to go ahead and hit DM on cooldown and then vanish and overwrite current garrote with empowered or should we hold it, vanish, empowered garrote, then DM

[balmy condor]

the first

[outer cairn]

gotcha thanks

its weird having a second shiv. i'm used to just hitting it on cd, but now gotta pay attention to when that first expires so i can hit it again

[proper tapir]

and when to hold for a double-shiv DM

[gray hazel]

Wait a minute, is deathmark on the GCD

it is, what is this shit

[spice surge]

Why wouldnt it be, do you have other bleeds you apply that are off the gcd?

[gray hazel]

Bring back Vendetta plz

[proper tapir]

Yeah usually if something deals damage it's on the GCD

[outer cairn]

Sin does feel good after hitting the dummy for a bit.

i haven't tried to mess with IC build yet

[outer cairn]

yeah i was wondering if that was a thing

[misty comet]

flyout from action bars are busted, spellbook isn't

[distant mesa]

trying to figure out rotationally why im bad now lol

^using that for raid atm, switching Shrouded for CT in AE pulls

looked at both the wowhead/IV guide and its weird

[balmy condor]

whats weird

[distant mesa]

going up and down in damage after deathmark, and SBS is working different that the leggo was. however I have duskwalkers on and I know its currently bugged

you garrote in stealth now because of the damage amp

but its like Gar>SBS>Mut>Rupt>DM>Shiv> trinket cd's and repeat

is what I was doing

[balmy condor]

yeah that's about right

[distant mesa]

Forgot where Slice fit in there but

[balmy condor]

gar snd

then sbs

but yeh

[distant mesa]

ok, ty

may just need to get used to it more

[lean fossil]

where do we put flag?

[distant mesa]

prolly right before the Rupt

[lean fossil]

thats what im thinknig

thinking

[distant mesa]

gar>snd>sbs>mut>flag>rupt>DM>Shiv> trinket cd's and repeat

that looks fluid to me

[cedar silo]

is duskwalkers bugged? its not reducing cd

[outer cairn]

what is this nimble steps debuff I'm applying?

[balmy condor]

pins

nadjia?

[outer cairn]

there it is

i knew i'd seen it

[winged basin]

Tried sin in dungeons after not playing the game for 4 months, gotta say in the hands of someone with gear and less mental deficiencies then me, feels really nice, I like being able to bleed everything around me in 3 button presses

[cedar silo]

what is sbs?

also is it best to use tea with shiv for the mastery?

[winged basin]

serrated bone spike, was the necro cov ability, now it’s a talent too :))

[cedar silo]

ohhh is bone spike what people are using?

i couldnt find a way to go that far without missing kings bane

[outer cairn]

I'm wondering what a build looks like to get to KB at least

[balmy condor]

you're forced to drop SBS

basically you get to here

and you need to put 1 point

somewhere

so lets say amp

and then you just gotta force to kingsbane

either path

[outer cairn]

i see

[thick burrow]

how many combo points are we supposed to get if mult crits both hits (with seal of fate), 5?

[balmy condor]

4

[thick burrow]

Hm

[balmy condor]

2 baseline, main hand crit offhand crit

[thick burrow]

for some reason i had in mind that we were already getting 4 before seal of fate if both crit

[cedar silo]

whats best legendary atm to use?

[balmy condor]

we were getting 4 in shadowlands, with seal fate

[outer cairn]

ok. i took the point from SBS, TTK, and Poison Bomb and got it. Would rather keep Doomblade

[balmy condor]

since it was a passive

[balmy condor]

really can use whatever, I suggest deathly because it doesn't interfere with any of our tree so you're free to swap around, otherwise you would want like dashing, that's not a common pick

and then just sit around

and wait for dusk fix

[thick burrow]

oh ok, thats the reason, i just though it was another passive

have been a long time since i played sin

[balmy condor]

yeah seal fate was a sin thing since forever

[thick burrow]

yeah

[balmy condor]

now it's removed and added onto class tree

[thick burrow]

i remember it was on classic

[balmy condor]

each spec had to give something up for the class tree

we gave seal fate and leeching and master poisoner

sub gave up find weakness and dance

outlaw gave up nothing

so the usual

[subtle tundra]

Hey long arms

Which they also get in class tree, right?

[balmy condor]

💀

[ripe saddle]

Is there a stat crunch between deadly vs instant?

[balmy condor]

they lost long arms and gouge

💀

oh no

[thick burrow]

yeah, i see, for some reason i just though our passive wasn't seal of fate, than we were going to get seal of fate, my brain just stopped working LUL

[outer cairn]

Someone said it, think we need a PSA for Deadly Poison lol

[balmy condor]

whats the psa needed

[distant mesa]

yeah?>

[outer cairn]

Use deadly poison. Like my old macro had that to apply it and had forgotten to change it to deadly

#tww-assassination message

[balmy condor]

so.... the psa should be...... to use assassinations baseline poison?

I'm not understanding what the issue is with it

you're applying deadly and it applies instant instead?

[outer cairn]

No. Forget it. Was a joke. My macro had instant poison and I had forgotten to change it to deadly poison after I logged in so I wasn't putting deadly on.

[balmy condor]

ok

[outer cairn]

everyone so serious

[balmy condor]

I mean it's prepatch, it may very well just be completely bugged and I need to make a pin about it

[distant mesa]

higher opener with Kingsbane...
but i dont think i can replicate what i did

[balmy condor]

higher

[outer cairn]

That's what I was getting at. If people have old macros they may forget to swap out instant for deadly

[deft vault]

holy fuck we get so many new binds

[outer cairn]

Do you have details or something else running? I can't get details to run

[distant mesa]

I do

[outer cairn]

hmmm. mine is saying out of date and won't load

[distant mesa]

kingsbane was 5th on my meter

[balmy condor]

from wrath?

[subtle tundra]

I wasn't even born back in wrath

[balmy condor]

assassination hasn't used instant poison in like 5 expansions

I don't know what old macros would still have instant

[outer cairn]

lol. yeah i pulled the macro from general tab, not toon tab. thats why

why do we even still have it?

[balmy condor]

dragon tempered without amp

if you were to play it in m+

which is looking pretty viable

[outer cairn]

makes sense

[ripe saddle]

Why do we have like 5 poisons lol

Unless we get some talent to let use have multiple I dont get why so many poison choices

[deft vault]

We do

[outer cairn]

dtb

[deft vault]

at the very bottom in the middle

[outer cairn]

2 lethal 2 non

[runic hinge]

We like the way they taste

[ripe saddle]

I see. Wouldn't it be best to just remove amp and just buff deadly and Instant

[outer cairn]

but then we wouldn't have 5 poisons

[ripe saddle]

This way when you take talent you get 2 lethal and 2 non lethal(u can pick here)

Another thing I wish was combined is fan of knives and crimson tempest

Combine them so it's easier aoe button like blackpowder

[prisma cypress]

so you don’t want an aoe finisher?

or you don’t want an aoe builder

[ripe saddle]

What if fan of knives applied rupture to all targets hit with poison

[prisma cypress]

that would be kind of broken but cool sure

[ripe saddle]

And crimson tempest is a finisher bleed/dmg aoe

At movement fan of knives is just cp builder for crimson tempest

Last time I played sin was SOD release. Was always lacking in aoe. Let sin have a tier of being imba aoe class

[timid cloud]

Did they nerf our conduits?

Not that it's super duper important.

Oh, I just checked, their empowerments just aren't showing & it's not changing...cause I just tried putting in the Shadowstep one Quick Decisions, & it's baseline 10% at 278, & when I put it in the conduit it remains 10%

[placid kraken]

So I want to drop as many addon's as possible. But turning off ElvUI has stun locked me. idk what I want lol

[thorn fjord]

Just use Elvui

You have to delete the old contents from your Addons folder for it to work

In order to update

[ripe saddle]

Is there a list of conduits to take?

[balmy condor]

Lashing and whatever

The wowhead Guide has a covenant pages

[tropic charm]

I probably missed it and tried scrolling up but haven't seen anything, not what does the most damage because I know OL is the answer, but how is Sin looking in M+?

[balmy condor]

Better

But it’s still Assassination

It’s still stealth garrotes CT and multidotting

Carnage helps with some bigger aoe

[tropic charm]

Wasn't sure if it was still OL>Sub>Sin?

[balmy condor]

Yep it is

[tropic charm]

Good, love to see nothing changes there

[ripe saddle]

LOL

i just crafted duskwalker T_T

feels bad man

i was at target dummy hoping it works with vend

did not work checked messages here. Man im dumb

[balmy condor]

Be like that

[outer cairn]

with KB i'm bursting up to 50k. granted I only have 1 mythic syl dagger and a shittier OH, but does feel nice

[ripe saddle]

So is there any news on Duskwalker's Patch to be fixed or just deleted due to name change?

[balmy condor]

The news is it’s gonna be fixed

[strange python]

I'm curious to see how tuning will shape up in df

I hope outlaw supremacy is finally over

[left mesa]

is bonespike broken? it seems to be disappearing from the target after about 3 seconds

[steel ridge]

With dusk not working the sin dream is over

[balmy condor]

Would be over anyway

Outlaw does like twice the damage

[steel ridge]

Thats sad

[deft vault]

tuning hasnt really happened

+its prepatch lol

[steel ridge]

And you think i dont know that?

[balmy condor]

Shadowdust is powerful

50% dreadblades uptime

Potent

[steel ridge]

i just want to play sin, but hard to justify when outlaw does double TODAY

[deft vault]

i mean are you progging?

[steel ridge]

in a way

everything is new, numbers are vastly different

[deep nimbus]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[surreal nova]

yeah shadowdust, dreadblades and flag is a potent combo rn

[dark shuttle]

any WA's for combo points? 6 or 7 depending on spec?

[minor gate]

The blunderbuss greenskin still work?

[balmy condor]

Dunno

[minor gate]

Also do we have a substitute for dusk in the meantime ik it’s not working for the moment

[balmy condor]

Anything that isn’t something you’re taking

[dark shuttle]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[distant mesa]

is M+ Sin rogue venthyr with a different leggo now?

[minor gate]

Something I’m taking talent wise I’m assuming?

But what about doomblade on doomblade

Yo dawg I heard you like doomblade
So we put doomblade on your doomblade so you can doomblade while you doomblade

[supple topaz]

Made the dumb mistake of ditching my extra legos last night and woke with the realisation that Duskwalkers most likely wouldn't work as one is not the other and now I'm sad.

[misty hemlock]

How's sin looking for DF?

Still on the fence whether to keep my main of 10 years or try something new for once

[uneven summit]

which leggo we playing while they fix dusk?

[pure moth]

Deathly

[night delta]

Me exactly

[plain onyx]

hey guys, which poisons is good now in the prepatch ?

same ones ?

[left pecan]

Deathly Shadows is best now?

any one have a skill three?

[night delta]

Only by default, because Dusk doesn't work properly for now

[left pecan]

ah okay ty Mate

[minor gate]

Wanting to get home to see if lego and talent doomblade stack

[timid cloud]

They shouldn't.

[left pecan]

Can I use ICY's skill trees? Or rather from Wowhead?

[subtle tundra]

neither are optimized

play whatever

[left pecan]

okay ty

[fleet imp]

@balmy condor

Shadow priest flag

[misty hemlock]

Shadow priests have it so bad they gotta seek shelter in our guides smh

[fleet imp]

They sneaked in as necro too

[ivory rock]

yo

does duskwalkers still work

or nah

[twilit hollow]

pins

[strange python]

assa seems to be pretty strong for single target / raid now nah?

[ornate raptor]

Anyone has a decent tree to look at and compare some things too?

[uncut echo]

[silent kernel]

Does anyone know of a blindsight macro to cast ambush if it procs else cast mutilate?

[uncut echo]

Think you need an addon for that, per outlaw channel but it needs multiple presses

[silent kernel]

ok

[willow rapids]

Think gnome sequencer is what you're looking for

[silent kernel]

I'll just bind both

[glad fjord]

okay I'm kind of feeling like a moron here but do we not have enough points to take this [Dragon-Tempered Blades]

[spice spire]

!bs

[prisma monolith]

Macroing Ambush to Mutilate only works with the use of a addon.
It comes with the downside that it often requires multiple key presss.
Suggested addon to use(Gnome Sequencer):http://tiny.cc/mxb6tz
Showcase Video: #assassination message

[spice spire]

We do not

[glad fjord]

lol

[ember wharf]

Do we still use Deadly poison or go for the new one?

[limber lion]

Again, pins

[spice spire]

It’s in the pins, but we still use deadly

[jade abyss]

dusk doesnt work ?

[open lodge]

What does the best damage now? Assassination or Outlaw?

[normal mist]

I keep reading outlaw does twice the assa dmg

[outer cairn]

Outlaw. Just so much burst in their kit right off the bat

With how Improved ADR works and DB they basically have what? 12 full 7 CP finishers in a row

Well no probably like 10 cause of GCD

[uncut echo]

Yes, outlaw is far superior rn due to not having an actual capstone and the leftover power from SL + DF Talents

[chrome peak]

Anyone got one of those Tricks of the Trade automatic weakauras that actually still works?

[thorn crater]

ok for non SL players

how is SBS used

do u spam all 3 charges?

[paper wraith]

uhh i dont think this is supposed to be like this

[fervent relic]

Wich poisons are used for st?

[limber lion]

Probably wanted to kill the conduit so Kingsbane doesn't obliterate everything, but forgot to document it or something

or just a bug, who knows

[limber lion]

Just use Deadly

[night delta]

That's fucking big sad

Like it's prepatch anyway, why care

😦

[oak sky]

I think a lot of conduits got kinda fucked

[night delta]

I imagine any that was made a talent got nuked

To stop insane double dipping

But WPS isn't a talent tho 😢

[chrome peak]

Is the build listed on IcyVeins gud?

[outer cairn]

They are generic builds to get a feel for the spec, but they aren't optimal and really won't be till after tuning is done and we get the last points we need

[limber lion]

Not really, there's just a lot of spaghetti going on. You can still spec into both Maim, Mangle and the talent version if you want for example

[celest ruin]

at least we have 1% compared to this

[marble hemlock]

Both Whispyr and I talked about which builds we'd use in the guides on wowhead/IcyVeins, so they're either the same or very similar. Ultimately we don't know what the "best" pre-patch build is.

Grab Seal Fate+Deeper Stratagem, grab Blindside+SBS, and beyond that, the world is your oyster

[chrome peak]

Ty ^^

[marble hemlock]

We basically went for a suggested build that plays very similar to what you've gotten used to already, but it's highly recommended to just try out some of the new stuff as well so you get a feel for it

Pre-Patch talentbuilds are pretty limited due to the missing talentpoints, so once DF hits youre already familiar with everything if you try a bunch of stuff out now

[visual hemlock]

Do you safe up two charges of shiv for you next lined up cooldowns? or 1 is enough?

[torpid mesa]

hi pvp guide exist actually ?

[outer cairn]

I think for KB, hold them. Without KB, don’t overcap but have one for DM

[visual hemlock]

thanks

[sinful island]

Anyone had similar issue with Afenars WA not showing combo points? (tried importing it again/reloading ui/restarting game)

[glossy agate]

for me it was my Plater Profil

[sinful island]

which one caused issue? Personal bar?

[ocean spade]

For afenar, you can re-dl it from wago.io and it works

[steel ridge]

afenar CP are broken for me

[marble hemlock]

reload UI after importing

[sinful island]

it looks like ComboPoints group is just empty

[midnight mist]

Indeed is

You probably messed up the import

[steel ridge]

ok

[midnight mist]

No one else reported afenar not working

And yeah don't forget to reload after import

[sinful island]

deleted it before importing new one instead of replacing them and it works just fine now

[steel ridge]

yeah reloading helped

[left pecan]

What poisons are you currently using?

[jade abyss]

we pick still crit in m+ or mastery ?

[outer cairn]

Luxthos still works. Shiv is jank and you’ll have to make one for KB

Wasn’t sure if plater and profiles would get messed up but it works and cev’s profile still is working too

[subtle tundra]

luxthos updated his

ok nvm i dont see rogue at all

[outer cairn]

Did he? I checked last night and didn’t see Rogue

Yeah I think he’s putting them together

[subtle tundra]

i saw the video from him about his WAs and assumed he did all classes

[outer cairn]

He’ll probably have an updated one soon. Old one works fine but doesn’t do a good job with 2 charges of Shiv and I had to create one for KB, but it only shows me the CD. Idk how to make it show the duration and stuff.

is it troll if macro mutilate with /s Mootilate evertime I cast it?

[balmy condor]

No but it is really annoying

[outer cairn]

fantasy complete

[outer cairn]

I also posed a question in DF Sin about taking SD and how we Ambush/EV spam. Is that only with SD to get max value?

[balmy condor]

The garrote at the end of it is meant to extend improved garrote, otherwise you’re spamming amb/env

Does that not answer it?

[outer cairn]

Yes sort of. My assumption was spamming amb/ev regardless of the combo points you get from the ambushes to get max value out of the SD duration vs just using it to recast an empowered garrote

[balmy condor]

Why not both?

[rich patrol]

Good morning. Vanish - Improved Garrote, or Vanish - Ambush - Improved Garrote. with the 3 seconds to use improved garrote after breaking stealth its easy enough to fit in, but cant find any information talking about using it or why not to.

[outer cairn]

I understand the garrote part. I’m asking to confirm or deny my assumption. I like to understand the why we do things the way we do. And say outside of our open during normal rotation would we do the same or actually build to 5 or 6 before we EV

[balmy condor]

It doesn’t matter what cp you go into the dance with

[balmy condor]

Vanish garrote unless you’re playing subterfuge then you would garrote ambush garrote

[subtle tundra]

Do I poool energy for SD?

[balmy condor]

No

[subtle tundra]

Waw

Did you even sim it or just spit balling.

I don't even known what to believe

[balmy condor]

You pool energy on everything

[subtle tundra]

I pool on yo ass

[balmy condor]

And you can always tea

[minor gate]

Ayo?

[steel ridge]

is the well placed steel tooltip buggy?

or is it really 1%?

[limber lion]

Test it out

[outer urchin]

is there any weakaura that shows if your garrote is empowered or not?

[limber lion]

Adaptive Armor Fragment or whatever has a buggy tooltip but works correctly.

[rich patrol]

Thanks

[misty holly]

Is talent Bone Spike also bugged, or just covenant version?

[balmy condor]

In dragonflight that’s definitely the move

Prepatch builds might not have enough points

[gleaming comet]

did assa make a return to the land of viable or?

[gusty mirage]

… for prepatch?

[gleaming comet]

wrong channel mb

[steel ridge]

scent of blood seems fixed for prepatch

[thin gate]

@marble hemlock so what is actually our opener ish? i mean with the recommended build.

we go garrote muti slice n dice double bonespike shiv fake vendetta flag rupture ?

[upper wedge]

duskwalker still broken?

[gusty mirage]

Test it out, it was broken last night for NA but it will be fixed. Realz said as much

[versed vortex]

What talents i should use?

[frozen zenith]

does Zoldycks work with the new poisons?

[marble hemlock]

no idea

[gusty mirage]

Check the prepatch guides on wowhead or icy veins

But tbh @upper wedge it’s probably still not working if I had to guess. We use deathly shadows in the meantime

[marble hemlock]

id say the most natural would be smth like this
garr>snd>sbs>mut>rup>exsang>deathmark>shiv

[upper wedge]

alright thanks. I haven't made duskwalker yet

[marble hemlock]

theres probably 10 different variations of doing the opener, and in a 5+ min bossfight the differnece between the "best" and "worst" opener will probably be like 20dps

at most

[gusty mirage]

Ye I would wait on crafting it then or just ride out deathly for the rest of prepatch

[misty holly]

Seems to be the covenant version of bonespike bugged, talent working as it should.

[marble hemlock]

as per our sim-queen:
gar snd gar sbs rup mut mut shiv rup exsang deathmark, vanish gar when the garrote runs out

exsang on cooldown forever,
and then 2:10 deathmark, 2:20 vanish, 2:30 exsang

during prepatch youd probably use flag before the first rupture

[balmy condor]

Prepatch exsang kinda questionable tho

But yeh

General idea is gar rup dm

[teal bloom]

So you shouldn't try to synch deathmark and vanish?

[balmy condor]

As Long as you don’t take 15 seconds for it

[balmy condor]

You do

That vanish is inside of Deathmark

[thin cliff]

so do /use 13/14 macros no longer work?

[teal bloom]

but the whole duration of deathmark doesn't have empowered garrote

[balmy condor]

Yeah that’s fine

[timber pawn]

is dustwalkers not working for deathmark currently?

[balmy condor]

Pins

[gusty mirage]

Pins.

[timber pawn]

wellllllll fuck

[gritty wasp]

is deathly a snapshot thing like the 4pc?

[balmy condor]

No

[gritty wasp]

ok, thanks

[thin gate]

ty, but im not playing exsang currently

[minor gate]

Ah

Deathly

[thin gate]

@marble hemlock what do i replace with exsang in this window?

[minor gate]

Not dust

[balmy condor]

Nothing

[minor gate]

Wrong vanish Lego

[balmy condor]

You just don’t cast the second rup or the exsang

It’s the same thing

[sterile chasm]

any good st talents?

[marble hemlock]

True

It's why I didn't add a sample opener for Prepatch specifically, and am still re-using the old ones. Not like its gonna make a big difference either way, and with all teh combinations, theres like 15 different sample openers i think

And my best guess is thatt most of them sim within margin of error

[balmy condor]

Yeh it’s rough

[marble hemlock]

doing the "best" opener perfectly gonna maybe give you double-digit DPS, speccing outlaw will double your entire DPS

[minor gate]

Idk if this has been covered already but the talents trees in the guide have like 5 points free each

Please don’t yell

I’m on my fifth monster can

My tears will shoot out like a those jet pressure cutters

[marble hemlock]

thats because the talent trees are for level 60, not 70

[minor gate]

Oh

I thought 60 was max points

[marble hemlock]

no

starting at lvl 10 you get 1 point in a tree, then next level another one in the other tree etc.

[minor gate]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-wifey-gif-25064889

[marble hemlock]

so you end up with 31/30, or 26/25 during prepatch

[minor gate]

So you can’t use capstones in pre-patch

[balmy condor]

You can

Dragon tempered is 1 point away

[minor gate]

https://tenor.com/view/granny-gif-26136234

[balmy condor]

But the others are fine

[minor gate]

I get it now

I didn’t get access to the beta and this is my first pre-patch so I feel like anything I ask is legitimate brain rot to you guys

[balmy condor]

It’s okay

I’m still upset that prepatch event doesn’t start for 2 more weeks or whatever

Cause I’ve been staring at ptr and beta talent trees for 2 months

[minor gate]

Now this is upsetting

[balmy condor]

And I logged into prepatch

[fading adder]

we're in open beta now on live duh

[balmy condor]

And it was just talent trees

Waited through a 12 hour maintenance to be able to play a less stable and more bugged version of ptr poggers

[marble hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/poor-baby-look-at-the-duck-itll-be-okay-there-there-you-seem-angry-gif-22854519

[balmy condor]

Ty

Also the people min-maxing prepatch 💀

What legendary do we play? None bruh dragonflight doesn’t have legendaries why do you give a shit 💀

[spice spire]

The grustle doesn’t stop buddy

[balmy condor]

True

Gotta get my rank 1 prepatch parse

So I can app to a guild that definitely won’t laugh me out of the discord for linking prepatch parses

[proud cosmos]

sir, it's not about the log

it's about beating your guildies

same as damage in keys xD

[subtle tundra]

Then spec oulaw

[balmy condor]

Then play monk or something

If you trying to do damage

Do not be in this channel

This is the channel for non-damage do-ers

[worn pilot]

i love not doing damage

[balmy condor]

A true person of culture

[worn pilot]

ngl assass is mega fun rn. idgaf about damage, it's just mad fun to play imo

[teal bloom]

Our damage was the friends we made along the way

[balmy condor]

Our damage was mental the whole time

[worn pilot]

I do take pride in my mental damage

[balmy condor]

As you should

[worn pilot]

Amen brother

[gusty mirage]

lmfaoooo

[balmy condor]

Literally streamed all day, logged in “so… where’s the quest”

My entire chat: “there is none, this is it”

[gusty mirage]

[marble hemlock]

Yeah well

You better eat your veggies and be thankful for it

[gusty mirage]

no way you missed it with how great blizzard has been about sharing and consolidating information

and wowhead pumping out like 635 articles a day

[wary ice]

pre-pre-patch so people have time to fix their uis

[marble hemlock]

Should've just followed blizzard max for updates

[balmy condor]

????

[prisma cypress]

i thought they were pretty clear about the different phases

[balmy condor]

“PRE PATCH BEGINS”

[gusty mirage]

Prepatch event start November 15th

[balmy condor]

[gusty mirage]

Specific types of Primalist mobs and a corresponding boss will spawn in four specific zones, namely:

Northern Barrens gets Earth invasions.
Badlands gets Water invasions.
Tirisfal Glades gets Fire invasions.
Un'Goro Crater gets Storm invasions.
Many Primalist enemies will spawn in marked areas on each zone's map, and every 30-minutes, an Elemental Lord will spawn.
During the Dragonflight pre-patch event, this boss gives enemies the invading element. Players will need to band together to kill 100 Primalist mobs to take down the boss's shield and proceed to kill it for some shiny rewards.```

[balmy condor]

Gotta wait 3 whole ass weeks

[gusty mirage]

ngl I read that as "shitty rewards"

[worn pilot]

waiting on it to invade my client

[marble hemlock]

Kinda silly of you to think the pre patch event happens with pre patch

[frozen zenith]

so its just a beta 2.0

[worn pilot]

beta without my abilities locking every pull

[balmy condor]

It’s ptr but worse

[gusty mirage]

no, there's more content on beta

[balmy condor]

On ptr you don’t have to worry about server stability

[marble hemlock]

You don't have to on EU either

[frozen zenith]

at least on ptr I had all the talent points instead of this budget build

[balmy condor]

You didn’t

That’s beta

[marble hemlock]

You're beta

[worn pilot]

i miss legion poison bomb where it did big dick dam

[marble hemlock]

L take

[worn pilot]

I mean i dont miss RNG

But the dam was nice

[marble hemlock]

So you just miss doing damage. Same.

[gusty mirage]

so you don't miss it then

[worn pilot]

Yeah that's what I meant

[marble hemlock]

[gusty mirage]

it'll be fixed soon

trust

[wary ice]

caught in 4k

[worn pilot]

guys... i swear it's not what it looks like

[balmy condor]

Wario thighs

[prisma cypress]

is there a way to show in weakauras when bleeds have been empowered i.e. improved garrote or exsang? afenar's WAs used to have that feature but it looks like it's missing from the new ones

[spice spire]

[balmy condor]

Not easily, have to custom code stuff

[prisma cypress]

is there a reason the old custom code would no longer work?

[gusty mirage]

spell ids change

[prisma cypress]

i just wonder why he'd update everything else but not that feature

[oblique jackal]

Try Luxthos weakauras

[left dirge]

is there a macro that makes you cast ambush instead of mutilate when blindside proccs?

[strange trail]

dont think so

[balmy condor]

Yeah, can’t do that

Would be automating your rotation

[prisma cypress]

man i'd love to try luxthos WAs if wago's servers weren't such a pile of garbage

[teal bloom]

I don't think he's done dragonflight wa for rogues yet

[harsh anchor]

Slap ambush on ctrl+4 and you can just lay your left hand on your keyboard and press 4, ez side blinding

[subtle tundra]

Mutilate is 1 and ambush is s4

My keybinds are fucked

[oblique jackal]

Lux has a website

[teal bloom]

mut 1, ambush shift+1

[prisma cypress]

lux's website looks like it has updated WAs for everything except rogue, druid, and evoker

[ruby oyster]

anyone has addon working in prepatch for bar-tracking buffs/debuffs on multiple targets?
something like this

[strange python]

Is outlaw that much better right now? Fuck, buttonbloat outlaw is so unfun

[hushed urchin]

I'm guessing SBS is better in M+ on a pack to pack basis than Carnage?

Asking for help more than making a statement

[pure skiff]

So should we use amplifying poison or deadly?

[rocky ruin]

you can apply instant poison even with skilled deadly poison strange

[muted ivy]

[hushed urchin]

Nvm I'm stupid and it's clere why I'm in here asking questions lmfao

clear*

[muted ivy]

That’s the whole reason this disc exists lol, dw

But ya SBS is more consistent dmg than Carnage, but you’re gonna be taking both of them for M+ so no reason to worry about taking 1 or the other

[heady merlin]

Speak the truth. What is the point of being a rouge that uses poison if poison bomb sucks

[worn pilot]

I don't like the damage being tied to poison bomb, it was just funny to see big rng boom of damage back then. But never getting a proc and going dry was also miserable

its just like one of those good memory things when its back to reality, it's dogshit

[heady merlin]

Why does blizzard hate us

[stray mural]

Holy moly what is this called

[ruby oyster]

sp-timers and it was glorious but seems like dev stopped working on it, it was even removed from curse completely and its bricked in DF ;c

[deep nimbus]

amplifying or deadly?

[muted ivy]

[deep nimbus]

[iron orchid]

Hey guys,
Is it normal that alacrity is not reflecting the same numbers in game as it has in wowhead's tooltip ? currently it says it only has 10% per cp, and the behaviour in game looks like it is only 10% per cp ...

[gusty mirage]

hi Dei, first off ily, second off ye tooltips on wowhead can be wonky sometimes

[iron orchid]

Alright, i guess that's intended then

feels clunky tho

[uneven summit]

still no dusk fix 😦

[iron orchid]

60% chance to refresh kinda meh, can barely maintain between pulls in M+, especially with duration down to 15s

[uncut echo]

Then take 2 points

??

[gusty mirage]

ye it was nerfed

it's a sadge moment for sure

[iron orchid]

this is with 2 points ^^

[faint harness]

@gusty mirage is assa rupture doing less dmg in prepatch?

[uncut echo]

What the fuck

https://tenor.com/view/godfather-massacre-sad-gif-16810633

[gusty mirage]

wouldn't know, I logged in my UI gave me more errors than the american healthcare system and then I alt-f4'd and played something else

[faint harness]

[gusty mirage]

also apparently I was spamming my guildies

[uncut echo]

Ye I heard about that

[gusty mirage]

apparently my rogue is now every class in the game as well

[muted ivy]

You’re taking over the world

[gusty mirage]

it's my plan to delete exsang

[strange python]

I’ve had alacrity fall off when I was hitting the dummy earlier. Don’t like that

[sturdy merlin]

What is this ? a WA ?

[royal cliff]

anyone have a build that theyre liking in dungeons? I've made like 3 but I'm having a really hard time choosing lol

[ruby oyster]

it was addon SPTimers, it had tracking for X amount targets (with faded bars for off targets) but it is no longer working and im looking for replacement

[gusty mirage]

that's just the reality of the new alacrity sadly

rip to our boy

[uneven summit]

any new stats prio or does it not matter much right now

[royal cliff]

am i crazy or was IC a 1.5 min cd on beta for a while

[gusty mirage]

you're not crazy

it was lowered

[royal cliff]

thats v nice

[gusty mirage]

[royal cliff]

thistle tea also doesnt feel as shitty anymore

but with shrouded etc im not sure its worth over shadow dance

i really dont want to play sin with shadow dance lol

[gusty mirage]

just mess around with the new talents and abilities and get a feel for everything and just have fun

yeah dance is awkward for ST for assassination

because you refresh the empowered garrotes, and then what?

spam ambush?

[uneven summit]

and playing deathly i guess

[royal cliff]

jesus with enough crit and these FoN talents it almost feels like playing sub lol

like 4-5 cp every FoN

[gusty mirage]

ye until dusk is fixed

[cedar silo]

which rogue spec is the best so far to play in pre patch

[thin gate]

guys can someone help me with plater i get the following message permanent popping up "Plater Mod Extra Quest Icon code for Nameplate Updated error: [string "Nameplate Updated for Extra Quest Icon"]:3: attempt to call field 'CheckForQuest' (a nil value)"

[sullen hollow]

sub probably

[brazen zodiac]

pog pre-patch

[gusty mirage]

outlaw

[thin gate]

i downloaded a plater profile after my threat plates got fcked up

[royal cliff]

Yeah I want it to be sin but outlaw feels good

[strange python]

for alacrity

[gusty mirage]

I would ask in the plater discord tbh, or just wait a few days for addons to get sorted

[royal cliff]

Sin feels much much better in dungeons than it has in years

[gusty mirage]

outlaw is giga busted rn

[royal cliff]

though

[cedar silo]

so sin is still not worth on pre patch just yet

[royal cliff]

its prepatch

its all worth

[thin gate]

okay ima ask in plater discord didnt knew its existent

[royal cliff]

IC is a lot of fun to play in aoe IMO

[gusty mirage]

yea my UI was spitting like thousands of LUA errors at me

[royal cliff]

esp with FoN talents and thistle tea

[gusty mirage]

so I deleted everything

[subtle tundra]

FoN

[royal cliff]

FoK

be cool

[subtle tundra]

no

youre uncool

so im uncool

[royal cliff]

i mean the logic is infallible

[cedar silo]

is outlaw or sub supposed to play better than sin in DF? i was actually looking forward to testing the new sin spec

[subtle tundra]

it might be fun, but unless it gets bumped in dps by a whole lot it wont be worth it

[subtle tundra]

df aint out

[cedar silo]

no i know i mean whats performing on beta

[subtle tundra]

not assa

[royal cliff]

since its prepatch im just gonna be a memelord and make essence of bloodfang

with thistle tea and IC it might actually be halfway not bad

Really all that matters is how hilarious being a moosecow rogue is

[thick sable]

Are we still using well placed steel, although it's currently 1%?

[sturdy merlin]

I’m surprised no one tested this yet

[stiff frost]

ok so since duskwalker isnt working I am just going to switch out for deathly shadows instead?

[royal cliff]

yes

[sturdy merlin]

Or maybe someone did

[sturdy merlin]

Yes

[stiff frost]

ok

[gusty mirage]

well NA had a 12 hour maintenance

sooo