assassination

[limber lion]

But yeah you basically just Envenom to maintain Slice and Dice or when reapplying Rupture makes no sense, for example if the mob is about to die

During the first few seconds you definitely want to get your CT, garrotes and ruptures running and not worry about pressing Envenom at all

but you def want to prioritize pressing Envenom more towards the end of the pull instead of reapplying 24s ruptures on targets that will die in 3 seconds.

just comes with practice

[dark ledge]

Ok yeah, so in AoE Envenom pretty much becomes a filler spell when all your DoTs are up and good for a while

[gusty mirage]

yeppers

you only envenom in aoe when you need to refresh slice and dice

or if there's no bleed to reapply

but with enough target count tbh you'll end up envenoming more than you think

after you apply 4-5 ruptures and maintain CT your snd will need a refresh or two

[dark ledge]

I think my mistake was thinking that Envenom was still a priority part of the rotations, so when my DoTs where up I was trying to just generate CP asap to spam Envenom, which often lead to missing some Rupture refresh

I'll correct that eh

[wary ice]

wait @gusty mirage when did u get green

[viscid spear]

[gusty mirage]

uhhh since sod I think

this entire expac's blended into one another

[wary ice]

Oh I musta missed it then sorry ilu congrats

[gusty mirage]

tyty

[spice spire]

It’s been over a year

[limber lion]

Almost :')

[spice spire]

It was that late?

Sheesh it feels like decades

[violet jackal]

last article great read by the way @gusty mirage

[gusty mirage]

[misty holly]

So, any ideas what legendary to use during prepatch?

Feeling like sin is going to suck pretty bad without the set bonus vendetta bump we've been relying on.

But in case we keep raiding I should have something planned.

[violet jackal]

o.O? uh what

[misty holly]

vendetta is being deleted from the game in 2 weeks...

[gusty mirage]

the man's got a point

tier set will be useless

KEKW

if I had to guess off the top of my head @misty holly I'd guess dashing for the double dip or doomblade with all the mutilate talents we're getting

but I'd wait for the big brains of Koji and Whispyr and Fuu to come up with the actual numbers

[misty holly]

and DTB will be unavailable until level 61, right?

So kingsbane build

[bleak sky]

aren't legendaries gonna be disabled on prepatch?

[gusty mirage]

they should still work in SL content

but dunno

they didn't really say it anywhere and if they did, they did an awful job of letting us know

[misty holly]

this week should see a release candidate ptr build

(I hope)

If they were going to be disabled should show up there.

[gusty mirage]

@bleak sky this is legit all we got from blizzard regarding pre-patch:

lol

[bleak sky]

damn

useless info

[gusty mirage]

remember when they failed to put all of the season 4 shit in one combined post?

and we had people confused as shit for like 2 months?

[bleak sky]

[gusty mirage]

it's looking like a no assa in prepatch angle boys

unless they hotfix the tier set to include deathmark

which has an exsang effect

which judging by beta

would also make deathmark run out faster

@fleet anchor @vestal wren sorry for the ping gents, but is there any insight if they're going to do something to make up for the fact that vendetta is gone in 2 weeks?

[vestal wren]

vendetta is still on TO

[gusty mirage]

night fae angle

[vestal wren]

to be fair

[gusty mirage]

do we know if tier sets/leggos are getting turned off for prepatch?

[fleet anchor]

I mean do you mean in terms of the set bonus?

[gusty mirage]

yes sir

[fleet anchor]

I dunno

[gusty mirage]

that's what I was scared of

[fleet anchor]

I will say Deathmark seems stronger than Vendetta at a first glance in general but I have no clue if anything is gonna be hacked in for current set bonus or like Duskwalker's

I assume not but who knows

Next time Realz is lurking should ask him 😄

[gusty mirage]

will do

[vestal wren]

blizz did often do last minute changes for things like this

[gusty mirage]

because if they shove deathmark in where vendetta is supposed to be on the tier set

I hope they fix exsang speeding up deathmark

[vestal wren]

but pre patch does look fairly broken with many things

[pine ore]

whats good assa spec for m+

need for break the meta =\

[oak sky]

Same as raid but with subterfuge probably

[pine ore]

trinkets till guardian+cache?

[oak sky]

kihras adrenaline injector is good

decanter from sanctum is fine

scars is fine too if you want to deal with it

[ebon notch]

@gusty mirage uwu

[gusty mirage]

[ebon notch]

how u

[gusty mirage]

ill dm you

[thin portal]

so uh

[gusty mirage]

hi

[thin portal]

I saw some rogues dueling with Edge of knight

night*

im kinda jelly

duel-wielding*

[gusty mirage]

yeah it's p nice, the dinar system made it easy af to get it too

[thin portal]

too bad didnt really get to enjoy them though

with Dragonflight coming

[runic hinge]

Dual is the word you’re looking for.

[strange python]

I got a question about the Master Assassin talent. is there a way to get benefit out of this talent besides the opener from stealth. The garrote talents in the row you can vanish to reapply the buffed garotte to other targets as garotte is about to fall. For master assassin when am i supposed to vanish in order to maximize the 50% crit gained. Do i want to be pressing envenom, combo point spenders, saving for vendenta. I havent found many guides going over this so i thought i would ask the discord. Also sorry for spelling

[limber lion]

You generally want to use the MA window to get 2 Mutilate usages and 1 finisher.

So in the opener it would be Mutilate - Slice - Mutilate and after that it would be Mutilate - Envenom - Mutilate

It honestly does not matter if you do Envenom - Muti - Envenom either, but you should refrain from using stuff like Garrote or Rupture or CT during it.

[shadow pike]

Is it cool to ask arena questions in here or is this disc really for PvE?

[viscid spear]

#pvp ?

[oak sky]

theres a pvp channel but its definitely less likely you can get good help in the spec channels

someone here might know the answer anyways tho

[viscid spear]

Also depends on the question I suppose

[shadow pike]

Just one question. Because I’ve always been used to running haste/vers. But I haven’t arena’d in a long time

And I’m seeing a lot of the highest rates assasssin rogues just stacking the bajesus out of mastery

[oak sky]

mastery probably increases burst during vendetta

[shadow pike]

Would that be a higher skill cap thing you think?

Some of them also running the vanish 15% 5 combo point Leggo so maybe they’re lining things up perfectly?

[oak sky]

i think they do some kind of sepsis burst build

i guess you need a lot of cp to get off kidney with internal bleeding+rupture+ an envenom i assume

[shadow pike]

Gotcha. Probably above my skill level. Tyvm for the info!

[strange python]

so when do i vanish for the MA window?

guess im trying to see the benifit

[hollow river]

it's mostly people using a "1 shot build", i don't think it'd be above your skill level at all. just takes time to set up the gear

[brazen zodiac]

@hollow river 👋

[hollow river]

How’s it going 👋

[brazen zodiac]

good, playing classic wrath it fun

[timid cloud]

[acoustic fiber]

Yo if I went full mastery , necro, and doomblade leggo... would doomblades still be bad...??

[subtle tundra]

Yes

4pc makes dusk insane

[warm sable]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/waiSzsbgGppVXoUjcxtkFW

just sim yourself and you will see

[brazen zodiac]

[frosty bridge]

!cache

[prisma monolith]

Cache of Acquired Treasures usage:
Axe is always the strongest weapon.
Note: The Weapon rotates every 12 seconds in the order Sword -> Axe -> Wand

[violet jackal]

5~ seconds after the pull and every 2 minutes after it should be the highest burst of damage in a fight even though it's a small window, it also should naturally lineup in a vendetta window

[strange python]

thank you appreciate it

is the dmg from the crit nelligable? how much is it adding to use vanish for the crit chance

[frosty bridge]

you always use it for damage

just vanish during vendetta after pressing shiv

its not negligible

[whole mason]

does zoldyck affect PB？

[soft shale]

it did in legion as far as i know

[fathom flax]

Any prepatch guides yet? It’s coming in hot

[bleak sky]

The spec isn't finished

Why would there be a guide if things are still being tuned and tweaked with

[gusty mirage]

There will likely be very little support for prepatch

But if there is a guide that goes up for it, it’ll be on wowhead or icy veins

[bleak sky]

Prepatch guide: wait for dragonflight release

[next edge]

Honestly I would use prepatch just to test stuff

and mess around

and get used to new bindings and such

and not follow any guide, just follow your gut

and touch stuff around

[fathom flax]

You can get all 4 covenant spells as sub

lol

[next edge]

So?

[gusty mirage]

Yeah because things can still change even in prepatch and any weird interactions with existing SL content overlapping with the stuff coming in DF it’s a lot to sort through

[next edge]

Usually pre-patch is a shitfest of megaOP stuff

[fathom flax]

So, how fun is that?

[next edge]

because raids are designed for SL content

[gusty mirage]

Yeppers

[next edge]

or interactions not disabled

or many stuff

[fathom flax]

Yeah how good

[next edge]

I guess its fun

[bleak sky]

It's prepatch

Nothing matters

[next edge]

well idk if having 4 buttons to press is fun or not

[bleak sky]

Enjoy the game or try to until the raid comes out

[next edge]

Pre-patch is literally GET USED TO STUFF IS COMING

[gusty mirage]

Remember people casually banging out +26-30s in SL prepatch cause tuning was wonky?

[next edge]

so who cares about numbers at all

[next edge]

Yeah I had friends who never timed a 20

casually doing 28- 29 two chest

[spice spire]

I’ll casually bang you out

[fathom flax]

Man, why you gotta be such a downer lol it’ll be fun as just asking if anyone knows of some broken stuff

[gusty mirage]

Do it you won’t

[spice spire]

Too late buddy I’m omw

[fathom flax]

Still need like 2 bosses for mythic portals

[next edge]

:

[bleak sky]

If something is broken on prepatch it will likely be patched

Hopefully

[spice spire]

Minalba hates damage numbers confirmed!!!!

[bleak sky]

So it doesn't matter if it's giga broken and super fun for 2 weeks because there's literally no content

[gusty mirage]

You can get two sepsis abilities on beta rn

On separate cooldowns

[bleak sky]

What are you going to do with it? Get cutting edge? Complete a world first 35 lower Karazhan?

It's just idk

Have fun, pick new talents and roll the dice

[fathom flax]

Who hurt you

[gusty mirage]

The cov ability + the talent

It’s kinda funny

[fathom flax]

Yeah sounds sick haha

[next edge]

Thistle tea

[fathom flax]

Warlocks get some busted shit and druids get venthyr + console

Convoke

[gusty mirage]

It’s good okay?

[next edge]

Can't wait to go full brit and roleplay thistle tea by drinking a sip of tea before i use it

[gusty mirage]

[next edge]

I don't care about Thistle as long as is gone for good

[gusty mirage]

BASED

[next edge]

I actually like a lot Thistle

[gusty mirage]

Holy shit I’ve never agreed with a sentence more

[fathom flax]

The idea of thistle is sick

[gusty mirage]

Throw exsang in the dumpster where it belongs

[next edge]

being off GCD is really cool and i think its a really nice tool

[gusty mirage]

And then set the dumpster on fire

And then nuke it

[spice spire]

4p hater!!

[gusty mirage]

Go do mythic sylv with 4pc

Tell me how enjoyable that is

[spice spire]

It’s not

[gusty mirage]

I’m aware

[spice spire]

On any Sylvanas

[gusty mirage]

I voluntarily tried outlaw

And kyrian sub

[spice spire]

So much wasted time in p2 specifically

[gusty mirage]

And wanted to jump off a platform irl

[spice spire]

And p3 flow made sense before, no longer does

[fathom flax]

💀

[spice spire]

You just send it and hope shit lines up

[gusty mirage]

And there’s zero rogue spec that feels playable on that fight

It’s all clunky as shit

[fathom flax]

Outlaw is the least clunky, I just did it

On sylvanas

[gusty mirage]

Yea that was my experience too

But holy shit is that fight even worse

[fathom flax]

But back when it was non fated mythic I did it as ass and was a bit shitty to line up stuff sometimes

[gusty mirage]

Also whoever decided to put motes in Sylvanas deserves to be fired

I was rubber banding all night

[spice spire]

Bro I raid on a literal toaster

[gusty mirage]

I’d push an ability the animation would go off and nothing happened

[spice spire]

I went to 15 fps p2

[fathom flax]

Dispel mechanic is shit

Everywhere

[gusty mirage]

No parry. No damage. No combo point

[fathom flax]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/7qKn1tfyFCL3D2RB#fight=18&type=damage-done

[next edge]

Also now the adds literally explode

[gusty mirage]

Yeah fuck that affix

[next edge]

so you apply a bleed

and 2 secs later add is gone

[gusty mirage]

I ran around a wave in p2

[bleak sky]

It was fine back then because there was no tier set

[gusty mirage]

Teleported back and got hit by one

I was like yo sick

This is fun!

And don’t get me started on KT

[fathom flax]

And no creation spark

[next edge]

I was watching your stream

kinda fun

[gusty mirage]

Creation spark is the worst fucking thing ever invented

Yeah I was just straight rotting all night

And the healers have no idea why people are rotting

P sure we’re done for the week tho thankfully

I think people are just burned out

[next edge]

My guild completely stopped raiding 1 month ago

[limber lion]

I took a few week break and then did CN this monday and SOD yesterday

[next edge]

we'll go again on prepatch but just to test out stuff

[limber lion]

and it was so boring

like legit I was bored out of my mind

felt like work without pay

[fathom flax]

Creation spark sylvanas p3 first platform

[gusty mirage]

Yeah raid just stopped being fun

The affixes are boring/unfun

[next edge]

I like the idea of fated

[fathom flax]

Mass dispel soak pools before rive casts

[gusty mirage]

Motes are fun for warriors, hunters, and warlocks

[next edge]

but it wasnt funny at all

also my guild just rebranded on S3

[fathom flax]

If they removed spark the other 3 are fine

Almost a passive dps increase

[gusty mirage]

Yeah I agree

[next edge]

so 5-6 people never progressed for SoD and SOFO

AND REPROGRESS stuff like painsmith

its a no-no

[gusty mirage]

It’s okay man we reprogged painsmith too

[next edge]

specially when people is just burned out

[gusty mirage]

I wanted to throw my pc out of the window

[bleak sky]

Bdk

[fathom flax]

If you have shield + notes and a warlock/ele just nuke them the whole raid is just 1000%+ damage and you get 3 minute bosses

[fathom flax]

I have progged painsmith with 3 guild, 2 of them died 🙃🙃🙃

[gusty mirage]

I’m just tired of the soak affix fucking everything up

[next edge]

People was just too burned out so we decided to give up raiding for a 1-2 months so people can retake it on prepatch with good motivation

[gusty mirage]

It took them almost a month to make it not affect boss mechanics

[bleak sky]

Soak on skolex

[next edge]

it was pointless to raid when people was just burned

[gusty mirage]

Buddy, soak on jailer making the bombs expire faster

And speeding up your MCs

So they become Ferraris

[bleak sky]

Thankfully I didn't experience that

[gusty mirage]

Missed out

10/10

Best game decision ever

Loved wiping to bombs on jailer because everyone’s debuff expired faster

[viscid spear]

True story, I was having a dream last night about Sepulcher and for some reason couldn't remember his name so I called it Riftmaw.

[misty holly]

For 10.3 instead of fated-type affixes I hope we get boss teamup encounters. Just take away the tank swap mechanic (so a tank can be on each boss) and let us fight 2 at once.

Or hell, keep the tank swap and make the tanks switch bosses every time lol

Like imagine you're at the beginning of Castle Nathria, you pull Shriekwing and then Sludgefist jumps down "Don't start without me" and then you have to fight them both at once.

I recommend focusing Sludge first or you will run out of pillars to hide behind!

[devout prism]

I really hope that DF's final season is not a .3

[vestal wren]

.3 would mean 4 raid tiers

[viscid spear]

They might just do what they did for SL and have all 3 previous tiers at once

[strange python]

I've talked to 10 or so guilds this past week. Every single one is done playing

Season 4 great success.

[gusty mirage]

10/10

would rather play in traffic next time around

[strange python]

Was pretty obviously gonna happen imo, not sure why blizz catered to a few loud voices on Reddit

[gusty mirage]

also whoever designed the soak affix

needs to lose their job

no questions asked, idc what else they made

[strange python]

Two guys in a room at blizzard

I'd be curious if player retention was worse in s4 than in "content drought" bfa/legion/wod/mop

[frosty bridge]

Interesting conduits

[gusty mirage]

gaming

[misty holly]

I'm a big fan of S4. No matter what a lot of people will stop raiding with expansion so close. Being in S3 still for the last 3 months would have been worse.

[sly spruce]

We finally got buffed 🥳🥳

[runic hinge]

I’ve had a lot of fun in s4 too. Just didn’t want to interrupt the dooming.

[subtle tundra]

if only the meta wasnt the same as s3 and the outliers werent so big

[dark token]

not only is it shitty to soak on 80% of bosses, the fact it looks similar to other mechanics is stupid

[strange python]

To each their own but disagree. Would've been better to let people continue to farm sepulcher and enjoy a break. Instead people just kinda quit. At least from what I know anecdotally

[oak sky]

Its literally the same thing dude

But instead of doing 1 raid for 2 months when we didnt want to we did 3

[strange python]

Eh. Had to re gear and affixes made parsing literally irrelevant

[dense hamlet]

regearing with dinars and upgrade tokens

[strange python]

The tuning changes to Assa looks promising

Dropping Indiscriminate Carnage down to a 60sec cd is really nice too

[wary ice]

if i only have 2pc, i take zoldyks to m+ yeah?

[oak sky]

sure

[vast loom]

prob not worth crafting zolds tho

[wary ice]

have it from before

was hoping to avoid crafting dujsk

:^)

side note: so happy shrouded suff is coming back i forgot how much i hate spreading garrs without it

[gusty mirage]

ye zold will be solid

bonus points if you go in playing necro

[wary ice]

😦

im a sbs hater

im hoping we wont have to use it in m+ in df

[junior rampart]

I don't see sbs in DF talent tree. Was it removed?

[oak sky]

its there on a choice with sepsis

[silver umbra]

its bait though

your whole raid doesn't have to go full ook and go soak it

[subtle tundra]

BUT MY DPS

[gusty mirage]

From personal experience, a lot of mythic raiders are unfortunately closely related to primates in brain size

[oak sky]

yo mamas so dumb her closest non human relative is probably a chimp

[gusty mirage]

You talking about my mom?

[oak sky]

yeah shes a very nice lady

i told her to tell you she loves you

[gusty mirage]

Why you calling my momma dumb?

[vestal wren]

#off-topic <-

[strange python]

Sounds like league of legends support players.

[fallen arch]

I'd take SBS over ER any day of the week

What's not to like about SBS

[outer cairn]

Apes strong together

Unless we’re wolves. Then woof.

[viscid spear]

Pack of lone wolves

[willow eagle]

If you play necro assa in dungeons do you wanna run zoldyck?

[limber lion]

Depends

Dusk is more prio which could br valuable

Zoldyck is more aoe heavy

Dusk is definitely goated if you can grt multiple vendettas on bosses

Probs shouldn't run Dusk on like 15's because everything dies so quick.

[willow eagle]

alright ty!

[sinful spear]

yo guys...is it possible to create a macro which will detect the ambush proc and otherwise cast mutilate? i have a macro which makes one keybind mutilate and ambush when stealthed and i dont want to use another keybind for the ambush procs on sin...hope u know what i mean 🙂

[spice spire]

!mut

[prisma monolith]

Ambush is currently only used with non-venthyr builds using subterfuge
The reasoning is a little complicated, but the most important of them is the difference in combo points on crit (up to 4 vs 3) and it's interaction with Flagellation.
You also have to consider the additional poison application chances. Ambush is not considerably worse or better in any situation, so you aren't losing out on much if you don't use it.

[spice spire]

!ambush

[prisma monolith]

Macroing Ambush to Mutilate only works with the use of a addon.
It comes with the downside that it often requires multiple key presss.
Suggested addon to use(Gnome Sequencer):http://tiny.cc/mxb6tz
Showcase Video: #assassination message

[spice spire]

There we go

[sinful spear]

ty

[wary ice]

Honestly I dislike it most in comparison to other cov abilities, if that makes sense? Like flag is a fun cooldown, er gives you a window to do stuff, the perma bleed just felt zzzzz in comparison. That said I think I'm like 13? Renown into necro so fully willing to admit I didn't give it a fair shake

[spice spire]

Someone never learned about the cleave

[nimble tartan]

wow he admitted he dont know what he talkin about

[vestal wren]

!bs works too

[faint parcel]

how do i sim bounties in M+ ? what is the custom apl string

[normal mist]

New sl player? Because if not you can buy lvl60 renown on a vendor next to the fly path in oribos

[wary ice]

thank you for the info : ^) I have the memory i just dont want to spend gold on leggos that will be obsolete in.... 3? weeks

[gusty mirage]

ye don't bother

just play zold cause you already got it

[normal mist]

Renown is super cheap tho and saves you a lot of time, if you can purchase it

[wary ice]

I mean the actual gold on the armor piece i have to dump it onto

[runic hinge]

I think it’s like 11 days isn’t it?

[normal mist]

Oh right, although tbf they are so cheap right now, in comparison to hire much we spent in the start of the seasons xD

But not worth it at all honestly

Unless you buy a super cheap one for like <5k

[wary ice]

across 4 characters i have like 12k gold

:^)

[spice spire]

[oak sky]

!pb @night delta

[prisma monolith]

Deadly Poison doesn't apply on some casts like Garrote, Rupture, and Shiv.
It's a minor bug but "notable" in that it does have some noticeable impact on DPS.
Should be around a 100-200 dps loss

[night delta]

very informative, thanks 🙂

[gusty mirage]

it seems to be fixed

btw

[oak sky]

oh pog

[gusty mirage]

double check

[oak sky]

like

on beta?

[gusty mirage]

no on retail

[oak sky]

oh

crazy

[gusty mirage]

it's okay dude

it only took the entire expansion

but they got it

[oak sky]

now we have it in dragonflight then presumably

[gusty mirage]

no that's just melee auto attacks

new bug

[oak sky]

no that ones gone now

isnt it

[gusty mirage]

[oak sky]

when i tested kingsbane did damage

[gusty mirage]

I have 0 desire to log into beta

[oak sky]

kingsbane cant do damage with only aas applying

i went on beta the other day to test the damage breakdown

its good now

[gusty mirage]

then I'd feel compelled to participate in the dragonflight-assassination channel

and there's like at least 100 other things I'd rather do

[spice spire]

Including getting woken up to speak to feds at 1 am?

[gusty mirage]

Not the place for it, but seems that way yes

[odd vale]

should I be crafting duskwalkers on chest or no? the wowhead says chest

[gusty mirage]

Chest if you have the mechagon rings, if you don’t you can slap it on a ring

Also I’d probably just save the gold at the point

Tier sets going away with pre patch and so is vendetta

[odd vale]

I got spare gold, I just got my rogue to 60 so was gonna try stuff out

[gusty mirage]

Yea then just slap it on ring

[odd vale]

Might be a silly question but where do I get duskcallers memory on an alt toon

not sold by the vendor in zerith mortis for me

[gusty mirage]

Mists of Tierna Scithe iirc

Let me double check that for ya

Yup 2nd boss drops it

[eager sorrel]

On the topic of leggos, ptr is DP swapped to deathmark?

Also assumes dashing scoundrel is comparable with the loss of set and kingsbane being the only st capstone we can really get.

[dark token]

why would it be

its legacy now

[eager sorrel]

So the leggo isn't dead? Leggos are still active in the pre patch.

[cursive summit]

!pb

[prisma monolith]

Deadly Poison doesn't apply on some casts like Garrote, Rupture, and Shiv.
It's a minor bug but "notable" in that it does have some noticeable impact on DPS.
Should be around a 100-200 dps loss

[gusty mirage]

The legendary is dead

For purposes of using it in pve at least

We played dusk because of the tier set, and no more tier set

[oblique jackal]

Does anyone know how to make a improved garrote weakaura?

[dark token]

check for improved garrote buff

make it glow while it is active

or something

[limber lion]

That will only tell you when you have the buff but not whenever garrote is empowered by the effect, so not sure how useful that would be.

A weakaura that tracks empowered garrotes requires custom code unfortunately.

But we'll get some by the 5heads of the community sooner or later.

[vast loom]

they already existed before from subterfuge, i think luxthos WA's track it

[dark token]

Yeah I have one tracking that from shrouded from BFA

Easy fix to track this too

[oblique jackal]

@dark token Can you message it to me?

[dark token]

didnt fix it yet

havent been playing beta much cause 200 ping

[thin portal]

I just learned about the 4 hit garrote spam opener for AOE

after garrote spam, FoK for CP building. Then I rupture everything and Envenom for slice upkeep.

Im thinking thats how it goes

[balmy condor]

that's the basics of sin, yes

[plain onyx]

hey all, do i sim Dungeon Slice for m+ ?

[subtle tundra]

Yesssss

[brazen zodiac]

@subtle tundra hi!

[subtle tundra]

halo

[oak pulsar]

so what is the funest stupidest legendary we can wear in pre patch instead duskwalkers since it not functional. apparently some legendry's do stack a friend in beta and ptr tested a warlock one with dogs and it stacks.

[plain onyx]

hey guys, are racials really imp ? because i'm kinda confused on which Horde race i should go for assa Orc/Goblin/Undead etc..

[gusty mirage]

nah, play what you think looks the coolest

the dif is super small

[gusty mirage]

afaik for rogues none of our legendaries stack with the talents

[oak pulsar]

that sucks i would of loved 60% bonus poison and bleed dmg in execute lol

but as it stand now we will have covenant legendary +zoldyck +doomblade + legendary of ur choice probably dashing if i had to guess. and an optional tiny toxic blade if you wanted that over blindside. so a total of 4 fucking legendarys thats wild

[gusty mirage]

we might be seeing some deathly shadows shenanigans too

[oak pulsar]

oh ya the burstyies burst to have ever burst

[solar hare]

outlaw has some fun prepatch tech with celerity and imp AR

seems like thats all though

[limber lion]

just play deathly

[peak bobcat]

We can't even play DTB in pre patch?

[balmy condor]

Correct

[peak bobcat]

So we will play kingsbane with no poison bomb on st?

We are about to get the tuning of a lifetime

[balmy condor]

I’m not entirely sure they care about prepatch tuning

Feels like a complete waste of time trying to jumble old and new systems together for like a month long patch with no end game content

[gusty mirage]

you calling the elemental invasions not "end game"?

[balmy condor]

yeah

[gusty mirage]

damn

[balmy condor]

that's exactly what I'm doing

[gusty mirage]

rip to the collectors

I'm telling jez

[balmy condor]

and your guild clearing heroic on halloween as a bonding experience isn't end game either

[gusty mirage]

[iron orchid]

Can't get the 'bonding experience' if you don't have the guild

[gusty mirage]

I'll bond with you dei

[iron orchid]

[strange python]

You're back?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[strange python]

How was your break

[balmy condor]

Pretty good thanks for asking

[timid cloud]

I missed you, my pal.

[spice spire]

@balmy condor what’s pandemic

[balmy condor]

[spice spire]

It was just for a bait , ty ur majesty

[wild lantern]

[balmy condor]

I See….

[spice spire]

Idk why I’m partaking in this, you can actually duck with me

[wild lantern]

[ebon notch]

@balmy condor you're a chick now?

[balmy condor]

Apparently yeah

[ebon notch]

Cute

[regal sable]

omg whispyr is back

hope you're feeling better after the break!

[strange python]

is that

may

😐

[subtle tundra]

Totsugeki

[thorn crater]

whispyr

what the actual fuck is that name

[misty holly]

I was sad that you weren't around when we got the Tiny Toxic buff a couple weeks back. Came here looking for your take!

[balmy condor]

[balmy condor]

good change

[vast loom]

https://tenor.com/view/guilty-gear-may-dolphin-dolphin-fov-dolphin-gif-22307466

[junior rampart]

Current legendaries will be disabled along with tier set for prepatch?

[violet jackal]

legendaries will still be live though currently duskwatcher will do nothing since vendetta won't exist

[junior rampart]

I didn't realise that. We have deathmark now. Duskwalker is useless. We have zoldyk in talent tree.

[gusty mirage]

yeah none of the assassination ones stack with the talents afaik

it's looking like a deathly shadows angle rn

[subtle tundra]

Looks like no legendary angle

I'm not crafting shit

[violet jackal]

doomblade not stack with doomblade?

[gusty mirage]

looking like a afk until end of November angle rn

[subtle tundra]

My favw

But guess what

I still don't have jailer mount

[violet jackal]

same

[gusty mirage]

I just wanna hold hands with you on the assa leaderboards varas

let me

[subtle tundra]

💀💀💀

[subtle tundra]

Yea but I killed the boss top 100

[gusty mirage]

the vacation boss killed your mount tho

[violet jackal]

I mean I would of as well if people could see my shining potential 😭

[subtle tundra]

Would have

Smh this is why you didn't

Your English lacking

[subtle tundra]

Thursday for sure I get it no cap

[thorn fjord]

im 78th overall for Sin on Sanctum

[subtle tundra]

Out of the 100 assa players

[violet jackal]

13 fate sanctum 💪

[gusty mirage]

toxic

[subtle tundra]

Fuck it really is toxic

Sorry

I just meant to say it's a dead game

[gusty mirage]

not entirely wrong tho

[thorn fjord]

Yeah LMAO

[subtle tundra]

Like yea in s3 I was r1 assa in m+ like that meant anything

I was r1 out of 1

[thorn fjord]

nah out of like 3

[subtle tundra]

And none of my assa keys were my highest

Dragon flight waiting room

[thorn fjord]

We're so close

I can taste it

[subtle tundra]

Assa will beat the fuck out of outlaw and put it in the dirt

Like it deserves

[thorn fjord]

Guild did DF raid on sunday... I still dont have beta access 😦

[thorn fjord]

Will it though? I wanna believe

https://tenor.com/view/the-x-files-i-want-to-believe-trust-issues-trust-gif-5016443

[subtle tundra]

Outlaw will get omega nerfed

And then forgotten

Until they remake the spec

Or nvm this is what j dreamt last night

[thorn fjord]

They just better not bring back Riposte

Has no idea about anything

[proper owl]

hey guys, how is assassination looking rn? I'm deciding on my main and it's lock or assassination right now

[subtle tundra]

best iteration of the spec i've played(bfa and sl)

now we cant talk about numbers cause those arent done yet

[violet jackal]

can you name a time when warlock was a bad choice

[proper owl]

wotlk

[gusty mirage]

nah they were good in wotlk too

just not top dog

[lavish kraken]

SIRS

is assassination worth it

[balmy condor]

it's worth at least a buck 90

[lavish kraken]

good enough for me

ty

[distant mesa]

last vault of the seaon be like....

[spice spire]

Gabagool trinket tho

Unluggy

[strange python]

So most assassination rouges dont like exsanguinate. I would like to understand why, and if we dont like it why in the world do we like the 4 piece which is effectively exsanguinate for the duration of vendetta.

[pine timber]

isn’t it called deathmark or something now?

instead of vendetta

[oak sky]

he meant compared to the 9.2 tier set

[pine timber]

ups

[balmy condor]

Dot compression is a very misunderstood and unintuitive effect. Exsanguinate on top of that snapshots your haste at the time of casting, which creates some.... creative rotations which force you to get a haste steroid before casting. That's why the image at the bottom of the #assassination-faq exists as well. The gameplay it creates through the snapshotting as well as the difficult to understand bonus it provides makes it really hard for an average player to take advantage of exsang. Essentially just turning it into a quick burst of energy regen through venomous wounds with no real damage benefit behind it. It's an incredibly janky ability to work into most rotations on top of that.

I don't think we "like the 4 piece" all that much, there's plenty of people who dislike the effect, however it does a better job at minimizing the unintuitive effect and making it accessible to the masses. Because it's attached to an already strong cooldown as a bonus, and it has a duration rather than a one-gcd effect, it also devalues the snapshotting that would normally be associated with it

[strange python]

Isint the dmg benifit more casts of rupture and garrote, along with more energy which is used for builders and spenders

[balmy condor]

the "more casts" part of that is deceptive, because you're not getting a free rupture, or a free garrote. Garrote would've still been ticking over that duration, and you would've used the combo points on an envenom instead

so really you're getting the damage equal to the difference between a rupture and an envenom, and half a garrotes worth of ticks

[strange python]

Half?

Why half

Sorry if this is confusing

I like the ifea of assassination as setup into burst if that makes sense

So exang has always been intriguing

[balmy condor]

lets say garrote ticks once a second. It lasts 16 seconds, which gives you 16 ticks over 16 seconds.

Now you exsang that garrote. Instead of 16 ticks over 16 seconds, it doubles the tick rate to 2 ticks a second, but halves the duration. Now you're doing 2 ticks a second for 8 seconds, which is the same 16 ticks, you're just doing it in 8 seconds instead of 16

So just looking at those 8 seconds, you would've gotten 8 ticks, but you got 16, which is a net gain of 8 ticks. After the exsang garrote drops, you have a new garrote going, which gives you 8 ticks over 8 seconds as normal.

So bringing it all together, a normal garrote gives you 16 ticks over 16 seconds, but if you exsang, you get 16+8=24 ticks over 16 seconds, which means you're getting half a garrote extra

this is why I hate exsanguinate btw

it's taken 6 paragraphs of writing just to explain what happens when you push the button compared to not pushing the button

And it’s impossible to know that from I just being a regular player in game

You either have to get it explained by someone like me

Or follow the math by yourself

Which is silly

And we haven’t even talked about the haste snapshotting stuff

Good luck finding that explanation on your own

[strange python]

its all good

i understand snapshotting

i was just curious is all

i liked the set up into mad burst

was fun

kinda losing that in df

feels kinda bad

[timid cloud]

I love explaining a mechanic in my class that isn’t properly written down in the game!

[strange python]

[ebon notch]

just like

bleed them dude

lmao

[spiral warren]

which daggers for sin? eon?

[normal mist]

Yes

[violet jackal]

[vestal wren]

eon should beat everything else assuming you don't have a super low item level one

[sick abyss]

Where would I find a prepatch build ?

[gusty mirage]

wowhead when whispyr finishes the guide

but you can't get to dragon tempered in pre-patch

so you'll pick either kingsbane or IC as your capstones

[oak sky]

its kinda crazy we can get most of our aoe shit

[fringe kraken]

It's on GCD and shouldn't be?

[balmy condor]

I think that’s the least of exsang’s problems brother

[strange python]

What is it worked like the teir det

Set

A 10 second debuff lets say that does what exang does

But allows for mechanics like the teirset

[vast loom]

it would be stronger yes

but the strength of exsang isnt really the issue

mr roguestein has gone over it like 3 times in the past week lol

[strange python]

I understand that

I was just trying to offer a solution since hes the one who explained it to me

I want to fix the mechanic

Not buff the dmg

[ocean storm]

Any have a 1 button Deadly poison instant poison macro

[balmy condor]

Making it like the tier set doesn’t fix the confusion it just masks it

[strange python]

fair enough

soryr was just offering

want to try and be apart of the community more

[balmy condor]

You’re good I’m not angry

It’s not an easy fix

And it shows, since blizzard hasn’t iterated in it since it’s inception in legion and it’s been a problem child ever since

[near kettle]

didnt see much in the pins or FAQ, besides edge of night or the rygelon dagger, whats the best place to farm for a dagger

[dense hamlet]

either u buy a Eon with dinars if u cant get it from sylv or u just do m+ for a simple daggy

[near kettle]

i guess im more asking, which m+ dagger would be better, tazavesh or mechagon?

[dense hamlet]

very small difference u can sim to see how much it actually is

[near kettle]

bet, appreciate that

[dense hamlet]

but i would just spam junkyard

[near kettle]

makes sense, easy dungeon, chance at rings

[dense hamlet]

ye its more chill than trying to do workshops or tazavesh

and its faster

[near kettle]

dope, many thanks

[upper quiver]

[balmy condor]

wowanalyzer is dogshit

don't even bother

[upper quiver]

you hate to see it ... garrote'ed to early once and wasted 4757 years

[balmy condor]

working fine

[timid cloud]

I miss it, lowkey.

[hushed yew]

I'm pretty new to snapshotting. I wondered if there is a weak aura that gives me a heads up if one of the dots currently ticking is especially potent/worth snapshotting? Especially in AoE I find it hard to keep track...

[limber lion]

We don't do any snapshotting in AoE and the only snapshotting we do is with the 4p Vendetta.

You only snapshot by pressing Vendetta, you pressing gar/rup at different times doesn't really do anything

except during the Vendetta window itself, but you just follow normal rules

[hushed yew]

ah, nice! Less complicated than expected 🙂

ty

[glad flare]

Hello guys, do you know where I can find stuff like macros and specs ? I've been checking the discord but I can't find anything about it, dunno where to go

[viscid spear]

What do you mean by specs?
Because https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/best-macros-addons would be a good place for Macros, though it also depends on what kind of macros you're looking for.

[glad flare]

thanks !

[thorn fjord]

Just noticed i got 5th on Dausegne on Tuesday lolol

Playing Sin obv

World wide baby 🤣

@subtle tundra @spice spire Y'all proud of me yet?

[spice spire]

No

I kid, I’m proud of any/all the sin homies

[thorn fjord]

4th for US-EU lol Lets see what i get on Skollex today

Only playing SIN on ST fights though fuck that

[ionic kiln]

i got at least one 20 in all the dungeons for this mythic+ season, and i'm within the top 100 assassin rogue specs in the world for mythic+ rating.
i'm terrible though.

[spice spire]

Pantheon you coward

[thorn fjord]

Nah im lazy... Blade furry then zzzz on Panth

Holandrus will be fun too tho

[subtle tundra]

buddy you should just play assa on every fight

so you dont have to swap anything for the whole raid

not like your dps matters

[gusty mirage]

it hurts because its true

[subtle tundra]

its true for every dps

[thorn fjord]

True

[pure sinew]

What exactly made sim rogue so undertuned on sl launch?

Negligence or just overnerfed?

[limber lion]

Negligence

Rogue was the last class to get its legendaries and anima powers, nevermind tuning

[subtle tundra]

lords of dread juicy envenom

[drifting cloud]

im gonna guess lords are motes this week

[thorn fjord]

To be fair we usually start off slow on expansions

Werent we mediocre at the start of BFA too?

[limber lion]

Not really with the overtuned SS

we did fall flat after that nerf though

[drifting cloud]

I mean compared to early cn

it was more than playable

assa was just the worst spec early cn wasnt it?

by like alot

[limber lion]

Yes

[drifting cloud]

I played assa all uldir prog and from memory atleast it didnt feel like grief :p

obv not on zul

[wary ice]

Assa got a free vendetta worth of aura buffs before it was considered playable competitive with other rogue specs

If memory serves

[limber lion]

51%

:-)

[vestal wren]

nothing to see here, 51% spec aura is normal

[balmy condor]

!pb

[prisma monolith]

Deadly Poison doesn't apply on some casts like Garrote, Rupture, and Shiv.
It's a minor bug but "notable" in that it does have some noticeable impact on DPS.
Should be around a 100-200 dps loss

[timid cloud]

Didn’t someone say they fixed it on Live but busted it on PTR again?

[balmy condor]

never got fixed

[oak sky]

Oxi said it got fixed

[wary ice]

Oxi is a liar

[timid cloud]

[strange python]

Yep. I forgot who fotmrogue is in this disc but his outlaw log was filthy

Like 10k ahead of everyone else when it went up

[oak sky]

Daps

[magic fossil]

we are dead for df?

ive playing assa since wod

[balmy condor]

no

[gusty mirage]

no

I said it seemed fixed

words are important

[balmy condor]

what are you, a lawyer?

[oak sky]

wtf

[idle shard]

hey guys ive been absent for a few months, how far behind in dps is MFD vs Vigor or DS? I have 4 set

[gusty mirage]

what cov are you playing

[balmy condor]

MFD is about negative 3-4% behind for venth

[idle shard]

Venth

is that too much? :p

[gusty mirage]

you wanna play mfd

[ebon notch]

Hello

[strange python]

V impressed by the scars chains tech

[ebon notch]

I could've done 5k more but my scars didn't hit motes

[strange python]

I saw your motes damage was meh which was shocking

[ebon notch]

I was like 5 seconds off

[strange python]

But I guess motes damage amp and swarm is still nutty

[ebon notch]

I also had to break the trinket chain mid swarm which isn't amazing for damage but what can you do

[strange python]

Why

[ebon notch]

Because you do it just before motes despawn

To hit as many as possible

And that happened half way through swarm

[strange python]

Oh

We private logged and did 1 affix so I got super high and don't remember shit

[ebon notch]

[balmy condor]

!mut

[prisma monolith]

Ambush is currently only used with non-venthyr builds using subterfuge
The reasoning is a little complicated, but the most important of them is the difference in combo points on crit (up to 4 vs 3) and it's interaction with Flagellation.
You also have to consider the additional poison application chances. Ambush is not considerably worse or better in any situation, so you aren't losing out on much if you don't use it.

[brazen zodiac]

ambush in classic woltk tho

[regal sable]

help???
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/764349941270315031/1033290782075007027/unknown.png

[balmy condor]

did you join a new guild?

[regal sable]

no i just specced assassination

and my guild disowned me

bunch of outlaw lovers

[balmy condor]

typical

[misty holly]

Looking over the legendary patterns trying to decide what to use during prepatch, it looks like that Doomblade version is much stronger than the talent.

Might be a good choice.

[balmy condor]

the talent overrides the legendary

you should be using duskwalker, as it will affect deathmark

[misty holly]

well assuming not selecting the talent.

[balmy condor]

that would be a fatal misstep imo

but if you want to do that

[misty holly]

and I didnt know duskwalker was working with deathmark

[versed mica]

so is one supposed to refresh your bleeds, thhen use deathmark?

seeing how it duplicates bleeds already on the target, right?

[balmy condor]

yeah pretty much

[subtle tundra]

but does it matter?

hmgnmmmm

[merry fossil]

is sin gonna be meta for DF

[obtuse socket]

From insider info, yes.

Trust.

[vestal wren]

if you like assassination, play it

i wouldn't worry much about tuning, tuning targets should have all 3 specs close

[outer cairn]

Wondering the same on this with the change is it make our opener sort of the same basically, except possibly leading with empowered garrote then once bleeds are rolling slam DM since it copies and then just refresh during pandemic or we build and then vanish to reapply an empowered garrote and reapply rupture then slam DM

[dark token]

It's full bench mode play feral

Trust

[brazen zodiac]

feral for days

[pure moth]

Yes 🙂

[bleak ember]

hey how are we doing in m+ nowdays?

[mystic elbow]

we are doing dmg

[bleak ember]

viable aoe for high m+s?

[mystic elbow]

no

[bleak ember]

yikes

[gusty mirage]

what's your definition of high mythic plus

[bleak ember]

like 20s

[gusty mirage]

assassination is more than viable from 20-25 range

you're just doing more work for similar/slightly worse damage

[bleak ember]

and i assume single target is king

[gusty mirage]

yeah you'll crank ST

and you'll keep your own in aoe

you'll lose to surv hunters and destro locks and ww monks

but it is what it is

[deep nimbus]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[hot ingot]

How's assas looking for df? Worth playing?

[vestal wren]

yes

[split cipher]

Does anyone know if Duskwalker's will work with deathmark or is the leggo dying on tuesday?

[sturdy merlin]

i tried it on ptr and it looks like it does nothing

Shadowdust seems to work with some major cooldowns

haven't tried other legendaries

[gusty mirage]

The plan is that it should work with DM, but we’ll wait and see

So don’t scrap it just yet

[split cipher]

Crafted zoldycks just in case

Been a law baby but I wanna go back to my roots, just prepping to blast prepatch

[gusty mirage]

Yeah having a 2nd leggo on hand is probably a good idea in case it doesn’t for whatever reason

[split cipher]

Looks like almost every leggo is on the tree but I'm going right side sin tree so I feel safe getting zold

[gusty mirage]

Yea if you’re not taking the talents it’s a good play because afaik they don’t stack with the talents

[split cipher]

Talent tree overrides any dupes from what I hear

[gusty mirage]

ye sounds about right

[dark token]

You realize it won't stack with zoldyck in the tree and you are most likely going kb this patch (in raid)

[balmy condor]

!bs

[prisma monolith]

Macroing Ambush to Mutilate only works with the use of a addon.
It comes with the downside that it often requires multiple key presss.
Suggested addon to use(Gnome Sequencer):http://tiny.cc/mxb6tz
Showcase Video: #assassination message

[rigid tartan]

alright giga noob question but: how do i optimally use Scars? I know I want to sit at 4 stacks till last cds however I find I start the combat without the 4 buffs I carried over from trash/w/e

[balmy condor]

you want to use the trinket until you get 4 stacks as a priority always. From there, if you can time the explosion with at least n+1 mobs in 30 seconds, where n is the average mob count in your encounter (2 targets for a single target raid boss, or about 4 targets for a dungeon), and there isn't a pack that's bigger coming after that pack, you would pop the fifth rune

or without the math for ook ook:
stay on 4 stacks, if the big aoe go boom push button

[split cipher]

Was planning my m+ but yes.

[dark token]

It's almost guaranteed the best legendary will be duskwalkers/shadowdust/bloodfang since all others will be overridden on talent tree

[split cipher]

With 25 talent points some concessions have to be made

[rigid tartan]

it feels kinda shit combining it with Kihra's

since I lose uptime with second active on the buffs

[dark token]

You could also go dashing scoundrel because it might work on kingsbane and we don't have enough points for dtb

Actually very likely dashing scoundrel tops imo

[rigid tartan]

nvm i didnt know i can use it without it creating a cd on other active trinket

[half light]

Hello! Just came back from a long hiatus, checked the pins but there's no talent tree suggestion, is there one right now for Dragonflight?

or is it still in progress or similar? I know it changes for M+/Raids+/PvP/etc, but I'm mostly interested in M+ and Raids+

[balmy condor]

prepatch stuff coming soon, beta stuff slightly less soon, all dragonflight things are in #tww-assassination for another week

[half light]

Oh, didn't see there is another part for it! thanks a lot!

[balmy condor]

I will say, the spreadsheet is gonna get updates in a couple hours, little out of date, but in raids you basically just go kingsbane+sbs, in m+ you play CT + carnage. Class tree wise you always play seal fate and deeper strat

[sick aspen]

is sepsis looking like it's far behind sbs?

[balmy condor]

yes

very far

if you're not going to take sbs its better to save the 2 points entirely

and go like tiny toxic or shrouded

[minor bramble]

hi guys where i can find a talent build for the prepatch please ?

[kindred rapids]

sorta glad sepsis isn't strong

feels like a diet kingsbane

with a wonky cooldown

[oak pulsar]

whisper is working on it tonight/tomorrow it will be up soon believe in them and their redbull

[umbral tundra]

Praise whispyr

[subtle tundra]

I'm waiting friend

Ds just seems way too strong when you compare to what else there is

[marble hemlock]

Give her some time to do the sims

Stop being so entitled

Sim yourself if you want it faster

[teal bloom]

whispyr best waifu

[subtle tundra]

But I want to kiss her

[spice spire]

[strange python]

Yikes

[outer cairn]

Someone said earlier in the DF portion that it's with Wowhead, just waiting to be published

[echo geyser]

this big ?

[sturdy merlin]

Yes

BiS

[echo geyser]

[sturdy merlin]

What is this thing in your bag ? The icon looks cool

[subtle tundra]

grats 1 more day of bis

[outer cairn]

I think you can buy those during the anniversary event in CoT

[echo geyser]

wait it aint bis for prepatch?

[gusty mirage]

if anything it gets more value

cuz DM doubles bleeds and poisons

[subtle tundra]

oh you care about prepatch

shits gonna be so wildly imbalanced

[echo geyser]

bro rank1 sin is waiting for me

prepatch going crazy

[subtle tundra]

youre lucky we dont public log

you wouldnt stand a chance

[echo geyser]

m+ is public

[oak sky]

Wtf

[subtle tundra]

😬 m+ with lvl 60 talent points

crazy cringe

[echo geyser]

yeah i been cooking up sin tech

going mental crazy cracked mode

[subtle tundra]

i dont even have exsang keybind

also cba playing with er + flag + sbs

[spice spire]

Something something mind turning

[echo geyser]

covenants trifecta my gears are turning mind is racing heart is pumping

[outer cairn]

just gonna play dtb and er until its all sorted out

https://tenor.com/view/cheers-beer-simon-pegg-shaun-of-the-dead-gif-18085701

[brazen zodiac]

ramfam!

[subtle tundra]

i think you cant even talent into dtb in prepatch

[echo geyser]

[brazen zodiac]

[gusty mirage]

you 100% can't

KB or IC

pick your poison

or bleed ig

[timid cloud]

Ram & Varas are off the deep end.

God speed, Kings.

[subtle tundra]

i aint playing prepatch, if i do i will start dragonflight with depression

[prisma cypress]

whys that

[keen locust]

hey pals. just wondering which Race i should make for a rogue. PVE wise. I have a night elf and blood elf but was thinking human? or is there any better racial options?

[normal mist]

Are you going for r1 titles in m+ or mythic raiding?
If not, it doesnt really matter. Pick whatever looks good.

I think my female orc looks good

But I only raid heroic and do m+20

[keen locust]

well yeah it would be for high end sort of content for PVE

[prisma cypress]

i was considering switching from ztroll to orc

[normal mist]

I totally understand minmax

But to the point of race changing? That i won't do

Also I don't think human has good PvE traits afaik

[keen locust]

so orc rogue if i go horde perhaps... and human for alliance i guess? or are the newer races any good

[normal mist]

Nelf got meld, human just have the pvp trinket and the secondary stats buffed for a small amount

Orc does have blood fury

Belf arcane torrent for the extra energy

Plus aoe dispel

Afaik dwarfs are the go to for high m+ ladder

Due to their active being extremely good for damage mitigation

[prisma cypress]

i wouldn't switch to min max, i'd do it for cosmetic purposes

[normal mist]

100%

[prisma cypress]

female orc is really good these days

[normal mist]

I changed to much jesus

Orc > undead > mag.orc > belf > orc again xD

[keen locust]

i see... mmmk thanks!

[prisma cypress]

i went from human to undead to dark iron dwarf to zandalari troll

[normal mist]

Dwarfs are badass for a while

But I can't deal with being so small for a long time xD

[weak plover]

Tauren

[runic hinge]

I’m velf because I like spinning. It’s a cool trick.

[gusty mirage]

doesn't really matter for pve, unless you plan on doing high keys then nelf for shadowmelding boss mechanics or dwarf racial for the survivability

[outer cairn]

Tauren for the memes

I was curious about that, doesn't shadowmeld give NE another way to do Empowered Garrote or no?

[proper tapir]

I don't think that works on bosses, maybe in M+ tho

[feral rivet]

it works for feral with improved rake from shadowmeld which is why its a big dps increase over other races, but i really have no idea if that differs for rogues

[spiral warren]

tauren sin

[jovial plinth]

guys note the name Malichan, it will be number 1 sin

[gusty mirage]

gl, I believe

[keen locust]

anyone play with the talents yet?

[cobalt swift]

Heard the buffs are huge

[gusty mirage]

like on beta?

[keen locust]

yeah

[dense yoke]

will set bonuses still be active after tomorrow?

since our 4pc buffs vendetta and that'll be replaced with deathmark

[next edge]

no

[kindred rapids]

Tier set would be op with deathmark

[timid cloud]

Where's my Pre-patch Sin Pin?!

[dense hamlet]

thats for whispyrs patreons

[timid cloud]

I’m already subbed to the Onlyfans…

Now I gotta get the Patreon too???

MANNNNNNNNNNNN

https://tenor.com/view/credit-card-smacking-credit-card-on-table-gif-21340324

[dense hamlet]

yeah thats how it works these days

[balmy condor]

Pre-patch mini-guide
If there is anything important, I'll make a note of it in a separate pin under this one.

Disclaimer: Optimized Pre-patch sims are non-existent and will not exist. The suggestions are not min-maxed. If you're looking for the most min-maxed pre-patch builds available, go to your bathroom and take a long look in the mirror in order to reflect on the choices you've made in your life that brought you to this point.

That being said, Wowhead and Icyveins guides are up: https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/dragonflight-pre-patch and https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide. These should cover most of the basics for anyone unfamiliar. The suggested talents there are made for ease of use and to give a general feel of gameplay, not optimal top dps builds

Talents
There's a lot of stuff you can do, so instead I'll talk about certain important talents and how they play out in no particular order:

Kingsbane - Once Duskwalker and Deathmark work together, this will sync up every minute and be a huge gain. You should hold both charges of shiv in order to cover the full kingsbane. Theorycrafting is ongoing for this.

Thistle Tea - Use it purely for the energy, as the mastery is not big enough to matter. Starve yourself of energy before a shiv to get some extra damage out.

Amp Poison - Guide recommends just because it's new and you should get used to it. However it sucks a lot right now. Don't take it, and if you do, use Deadly instead if you want damage.

Poison Bomb - Significantly weaker after nerfs, and stuck behind Amp poison/TTK, both of which are not good.

Exsanguinate - DO NOT CAST IT DURING DEATHMARK, but rotationally very janky. Exsang should be used on cooldown, with Deathmark also being used on cooldown, and Vanish being used during deathmark to reapply garrote. Pandemic your dots beforehand. Theorycrafting is ongoing for this.

Dance - Not great and also stuck behind a bunch of not good talents

Carnage - Use from stealth or with vanish/dance, as close to on cooldown as possible.

Crimson Tempest - Not Part of our single target rotation from what it seems right now. Maintain in AoE for the DoT, or spam it if you carnaged and have nothing to do. Theorycrafting is VERY ongoing for this.

Shiv without Kingsbane - Hold second charge for deathmark, don't overcap

Bone Spike - Very strong, get it on targets for the dot, then don't overcap

Sepsis - Terrible don't play it

Echoing Reprimand - Decent in prepatch, but struggles to find a place due to lack of points. If you want to get used to it, play it with resounding clarity and use on cooldown. Animacharges should be used whenever you land on them, regardless of finisher

Rotation
Basically Identical to before. I talked about a lot of cooldowns in their own section. Wowhead's rotation guide also explains a lot of this:

1. Maintain everything (rupture,garrote,slice)
2. Envenom as a filler in low target, CT in high target
3. Cooldowns on cooldown
4. Garrote from stealth for improved garrote

Sin is a lot of fun going into 10.0 and I hope you guys are going to enjoy the changes :) Sims are being worked on for Dragonflight, and we hope to have that info ready for the #assassination-faq once the expansion fully launches.

[dense hamlet]

not patreon only

[timid cloud]

[viscid spear]

[balmy condor]

make sure to sub to my onlyfeet

[dire schooner]

Great work on the guide whispyr, I definitely appreciate it.

[balmy condor]

[timid cloud]

So we get a picture diagram, sims, & a flow chart tomorrow in FAQ, yeah?

[balmy condor]

Yeah of course

A picture diagram of….. uhhhhhhhh

An MS paint drawing of kingsbane

Idk

What do people want from prepatch

[dense hamlet]

[balmy condor]

4 week prepatch, 2 weeks in we get a tuning pass

Entire tree is tuned for 70

And we’re 60

With covenants

[timid cloud]

But M’uh content….

[gusty mirage]

there ya go

[timid cloud]

[gusty mirage]

I never said it was good content