assassination

[timid cloud]

Death mark or something?

[weak plover]

deathmark

[timid cloud]

I sense the spaghetti code incoming.

🍝

[balmy condor]

nah it just won't work

because it'll point to a spell id

that doesn't exist

(well it does, but you haven't learned it)

would be like wearing greenskins on sin

you don't have the ability

so it just doesn't work

[timid cloud]

[balmy condor]

I mean it's prepatch

who cares

prepatch is just 2 weeks of "oh shiny talent trees" and some achievements

[limber dagger]

did they say legendarys stay in prepatch?

would be weird wouldnt it

[oak sky]

theyre supposed to work in shadowlands

but like

????

[limber dagger]

are you saying that or did blizz say that

could test it on ptr

[oak sky]

honestly i would test it on ptr

im actually gonna lean towards no now that i think about it

a lot of legendaries are on class trees

and abilities got removed and work differently

[timid cloud]

It’ll probs be that they deactivate the pieces & make them legacy stuff.

So we can experience the power of our talents & systems they made just for DF instead of worrying about tuning for an expansion that’s already over.

[tame mantle]

that doesnt necessarily have to be the case, they changed stuff like that in SL prepatch with azerite traits

for example one of the traits amplified enhance's rockbiter ability, which was removed in SL so it buffed something else

i could see them change tier sets as well for prepatch

[outer cairn]

@balmy condor Got a fellow rogue in guild that mains Sin and is saying a 304 dagger in MH / 298 EoN in OH is simming higher than 2x 298 EoNs. I know the recommendation is run two EoNs so wondering if the sim could not be accounting for something.

[sour wraith]

You'd have to link his sim to be able to tell exactly

[outer cairn]

I just asked him for them. He may have to rerun them

I feel like something is off, but could be wrong

[violet jackal]

thiis is true
the recommendation is 2x 311 sylvannas daggers

[echo geyser]

only thing that u could mess up would be enchants

in terms of comparing 3 daggers

[outer cairn]

Exactly. I did discuss this because short of funnel or getting 40 mythic boss kills, won't see two 311s

[sour wraith]

Unless they clicked the same dagger for mh/oh on accident so it doesn't register properly

[outer cairn]

I'd think Sinful MH/Celestial OH. Or I don't even think it matters

[outer cairn]

Think I did this one time.

Scratching my head like wha?

[echo geyser]

no i mean as in lets say he simmed both eons with celestial

thats the only thing that could make it sim properly

not the slot of sinful / celestial

[violet jackal]

so we are both agreeing that your fellow guild rogue is correct right?

[outer cairn]

I guess lol?

Ok I just took a look at his Sim. The difference it's showing is double EoN is only +10 vs what he is using.

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uAHYemHvgudiSkL579UFHz

there

[viscid spear]

Like you would know about being in a guild with multiple Rogues

Don't hurt me

[violet jackal]

o.O? we have 2 rogues on main for casual with everyone having a rogue alt for some unholy reason and 3 rogues in crossrealm mythic team

[viscid spear]

I know that

[violet jackal]

YOUR GUILD HAD 3 until you betrayed the blade

[viscid spear]

[spice spire]

4 at one point

[viscid spear]

But the ice

Honestly I've been trying to get into groups on Ash to get my score up but it's not easy at this point

[gusty mirage]

weapon dps which is tied to ilvl is a huge jump in damage

so it makes sense that it's close

[gusty mirage]

I know a guy that carries charity cases, you'd be better than the person he's been carrying lately

@spice spire help the brother out

[spice spire]

That’s toxic

[viscid spear]

[gusty mirage]

it's okay

Jez knows what I think

[spice spire]

Oh that reminds me

[timid cloud]

I may have lost my senses from COVID, but I still can smell a roast from a mile away.

[gusty mirage]

apparently it didn't remind him

idk

dude never came back

[spice spire]

Nah

I pinged jez in a group chat 🙂

[gusty mirage]

@wild lantern you suck

I'll ping her right here

[spice spire]

Why are you such a bully

[gusty mirage]

she deserves it

[timid cloud]

😂

[spice spire]

She doesn’t?!

[gusty mirage]

she doesn't?

[spice spire]

Nah

[gusty mirage]

she doesn't?

[spice spire]

I had a similar run

[gusty mirage]

she switched into treant form

on the last boss.

[spice spire]

In a lower

Without jez

[timid cloud]

I’m SORRY?

Is that a key 30 minutes over time nearly?

[spice spire]

Yes

[timid cloud]

I hope that key paid your rent, cooked you dinner, & gave you a back massage, along with a best in slot piece with everything on it, hold the mayonnaise.

[violet jackal]

I spent an hour over time in a week 1 15 lower Karazhan

[timid cloud]

I simply could not.

I’ve seen a Shrine of the Storm or two like that. Never again.

[spice spire]

I was in a 30 minute over lower

[timid cloud]

[spice spire]

Checked the kick count and went into cardiac arrest

[timid cloud]

If I’m not getting paid in gold, or full frontal nudity, I can’t do it.

That would actually mentally break me though if I saw that.

[spice spire]

Well the latter is off the table for me

Let me see if I have the damage meter for that one

Dps isn’t the number that’s important

Overall is

This was a 15

[violet jackal]

It was worth it to teach the guild extra thoroughly and explain everything so it never happened again

[timid cloud]

They must really not do keys.

I guess that’s the growing pains of keys.

[violet jackal]

They didn’t before but now they do

[spice spire]

I’m doing a bit of that with many people in guild too

Keys are fun, even just gooning some weeklies with homies

[wild lantern]

RUDE

[spice spire]

Don’t listen to him, jez. You did great

[wild lantern]

What he forgets to tell people is I had literally NEVER DONE THAT DUNGEON

[timid cloud]

[wild lantern]

I am not a key enjoyer

[timid cloud]

That definitely was a mystical keystone, that was completed in the game of World of Warcraft.

[wild lantern]

I have since gotten ksm and terrorized @spice spire so it worked out

[spice spire]

My mental is unbeatable

I raid with Willshattner

[timid cloud]

I once had a friend say, “You know, doing keys with the boys is the hardest content in the game sometimes, I can do a 23 with pugs, but I can barely time a 15 with the boys.”

[spice spire]

Nah

It’s 1000000% the easiest content

[timid cloud]

More context, edited.

[wild lantern]

We uh. Definitely had those moments. Distracting the bots. Cough cough

[spice spire]

Always a good time, fix, and move on

[spice spire]

“Jez I’m pulling”

[timid cloud]

[spice spire]

While you had Necro stacks

[wild lantern]

Me, at 99 stacks under the stage, gen actually cursing my bloodline

[timid cloud]

LOL

Doomed pull. Gg go 14

[wild lantern]

Oh, no, I lived

[timid cloud]

[wild lantern]

Ask @balmy condor too he's seen me derp my way through 99 stacks. He gets anxiety.

[gusty mirage]

Which is why you swapped forms from bear to tree

[wild lantern]

No that was full mongoloid

[gusty mirage]

Because you didn’t know the dungeon

[wild lantern]

I'm talking about the rest of it

[spice spire]

Jez had a few oopsie moments but in general was pretty good overall.
I also trolled her a bit on her ksm final push

It was a good time

My view on keys is a bit different from yours I think, oxi.

[wild lantern]

trolled her a bit
My brother in christ you had the soul of every forum troll since the inception of the internet in you

[gusty mirage]

It’s a task that needs to be done in as short of time as possible

What possible view do you have

She plays the game by doing callings/dailies on 80 characters. She doesn’t care about gear

So don’t tell me gear

[timid cloud]

But why…

[gusty mirage]

Idk I’ve been asking her that for almost 2 years now

[timid cloud]

The mog is acquired by so few classes….

[gusty mirage]

@wild lantern how’s pally #3?

[timid cloud]

It’s faster to do it all on one character now since you can just move the stuff over…

[wild lantern]

I'm still on pally #1 because I had to level lock them for Legion and BfA engineering

but she's 60 now so I can grind exalted with Silvermoon and be done with her

[pale helm]

Does a second Edge of Night add to the proc damage in some way?

Or does it just add the stacks faster? I'm confused as to what exactly it adds

[sinful cradle]

Damage

[spice spire]

I think of it as a time to spend with friends and do some stuff together in a smaller group.
Rather than a task where other members are a means to an end.

If someone is a fragger and I dislike running with them, I just won’t entertain running with them

[spice spire]

Also for clarification, that’s just difference in goals. I don’t think I’m inherently right, and pushing is wrong. It’s really just about what you personally want out of the experience.

[ember mural]

[spice spire]

[viscid spear]

What level was the Lower? I did a +14 earlier this season an overtimed it by 30 minutes

[spice spire]

15

It was like two days after yours

I remember that one

[gusty mirage]

you cold snap ice barrier and are a key terrorist

I don't want to hear it

[spice spire]

That’s real

[gusty mirage]

you went out of your way to terrorize me

miss me with the "smile do stuff with friends carebear explosion"

[spice spire]

I mean I definitely run keys to enjoy with friends

Sometimes I’m a little frisky with my trolling though

[viscid spear]

idk, my brain turned off there. I have no clue why I stayed when we had failed the timer before killing the second boss

[thin gate]

guys is poison bomb still viable for ST?

is it like way worse than CT

[gusty mirage]

depends on your definition of viable

but poison bomb sucks

CT is at least consistent

[thin gate]

ty @gusty mirage

is there a current guide for rotation and opener

[gusty mirage]

but yeah you could play PB if you want if you're not playing venthyr

[thin gate]

cause i played only s4 outlaw

[gusty mirage]

yuppers lemme send you the link to it

[thin gate]

and id like to reroll into assa with 2nd EON

[gusty mirage]

#assassination-faq message this should help and if you have anymore questions just drop em in here and we'll be glad to help out

🙂

[violet jackal]

#assassination-faq

[thin gate]

ty yall

[low quartz]

I just cant crack it - is assa aoe really THIS BAD or am I just terrible

hahahaha

[pale helm]

Anyone know if bleed bonus damages apply to Serrated Bone Spike? I assume they do

[balmy condor]

It’s that bad

[balmy condor]

Yep

[spice spire]

Idk man I beat some outlaw once so clearly it’s good

[balmy condor]

I’ve seen the outlaw rogues you play with my brother in christ

[spice spire]

That’s true

[ember mural]

[jovial adder]

Do you guys think the rogue will be seeing more changes before DF?

[spice spire]

Yes

[strange python]

has to

[misty holly]

I think we're done after next weeks changes go in. Just bug fixes from that point.

If something really sucks maybe they will look at it for a later patch.

[subtle tundra]

wat why

it aint binary

[oak sky]

Aint over til the fat lady sings

[brazen zodiac]

bitch i been singing since like 12 shits over

[fringe yoke]

do i used khira before vendetta or doesnt matter on the macro?

[echo geyser]

theyre both 20sec right

[fringe yoke]

yeah but does it matter for snapshotting, etc?

like haste, etc

[balmy condor]

doesn't matter

haste is the only snapshot

mastery works fine

[fringe yoke]

ok ok thanks!

[timid cloud]

If only we didn’t have to deal with it…

[strange python]

I was dinking around, looking through the legos for the top Assassin Rogues in M+ and I was having a hard time finding a consensus M+ lego pick for Ass (I want to try it out, I'm switching from hpal main to Rogue main in DF and want to round out all 3 specs before DF drops..) I was wondering if there is a consensus choice for Assassin M+ and Raid? TIA!

[oak sky]

Duskwalker's patch

[viscid spear]

Duskwalker's Patch for Sin, for all Covs I believe

[strange python]

ty ty, appreciatcha ❤️

[spice spire]

Yeah it’s dusk

[strange python]

Looking forward to trying Assassin out, mained Rogue for 6 years straight out of the gate when WoW launched until they removed Combat. Outlaw and Sub has been fun but it's sin's time to shine!

[balmy condor]

oh my mans is about to be so disappointed

[normal mist]

dont do him like that

[strange python]

I was thinking I'm not going to be using it in M+, I will likely just use it for anything I'm doing in ST. I don't like the idea of tab target spreading Ruptures... as I believe that's what I read is necessary in M+. Seems like if I wanted that kind of ramp I could just play boomy and stand in Egypt safely while having my ramp get sniped by burst 😄 .

Is sin not still great ST? That's what I always remember it for in my earlier years.

[balmy condor]

it's slightly worse ST than outlaw

but m+ is the real pathetic part currently

gonna be better in dragonflight

but it's really really sad currently

[strange python]

Oh okay, I gotcha. At least it's going to get better! I mean, wasn't outlaw pretty dismal until the last patch where they were like... YOU GET A NEW 20%, and YOU get a new 20%, and YOU, and YOU!

[timid cloud]

It was good in SOD

It was goodish in CN

It was kinda cheeks mc.gee in SOFO

[gusty mirage]

You forget the *

Explaining after like a million buffs

[timid cloud]

Also using NF burrs made it gigga niche.

[viscid spear]

I remember being NF in Nathria, what a time.

[timid cloud]

I remember buns Flag, ye olden Ashvanes Razor Coral copy.

[gusty mirage]

It was coral, but somehow 5 billion times worse. Good times.

The good ol days

[timid cloud]

The best of times, the worst of times.

[oblique wasp]

Hi guys, can I ask what is the outlook for Assassination in Dragonflight?

[balmy condor]

you can but it would be better in the dragonflight channels. It's looking fine though, lots of cool stuff, tuning doesn't exist yet so can't speak to dps values of anything

[oblique wasp]

sorry for wrong section, but Im glad to hear it .. playing assassination right now so 😄 people ale giving me strange looks

[oblique wasp]

;

[vestal wren]

assassination got a bit of a bad reputation

not entirely deserved

[gusty mirage]

in keys?

it's entirely deserved in keys lol

[viscid spear]

I just hope someone else is worse and gets all the ire.

[pale helm]

Sepsis counts as a poison, right?

For the purposes of the set bonus and such

[misty holly]

For the purpose of Shiv it does. Not sure what else.

[balmy condor]

mastery

[oak sky]

!pb

[prisma monolith]

Deadly Poison doesn't apply on some casts like Garrote, Rupture, and Shiv.
It's a minor bug but "notable" in that it does have some noticeable impact on DPS.
Should be around a 100-200 dps loss

[strange python]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[oblique wasp]

Yeah I noticed that, but since I had moment weeks ago where I thought "Imma end WoW playing for good", I told myself to stick to sin through the good and bad as I started with is back in TBC/WOTLK era and I will finish my WoW life with it

So no sadness for its performance issues, Imma play it

[balmy condor]

And honestly, the performance issues aren’t really issues for probably 95%+ of the community

But the perception and overall stigma around it will just drive it to the extremes

No one should be thinking about what spec to play in a +10 but you still see the random “+7 LF lock” in group finder

Kinda sad but it is what it is

[fallen arch]

I tried sin yesterday in a key for the first time since season 2

It was not a great experience to say the least

[fallen arch]

It’s not performance issues, it’s tuning issues I’d say

It hasn’t been great all of SL in keys but in season 2 it was fine enough

[gusty mirage]

the tier set is absolute misery in mass aoe

[fallen arch]

I heard

Have yet to get it

[gusty mirage]

but I think its fine enough

tbh

it works really well on fortified weeks when you have shit that needs to die

helps with zugagagagagagamax

[drifting cloud]

yeah its not that bad if you forget outlaw exists

[gusty mirage]

but it just feels like utter dogshit

I don't need to forget outlaw exists

24s and 25s are more than doable as assassination

[fallen arch]

Isnt it the least played spec in m+ atm?

[gusty mirage]

and it's not "inting"

at all

idk if its less played in keys than ret pally

or feral

it's objectively worse than outlaw, but if you hate outlaw it's fine

and I'd argue that most of the playerbase 15s-20s is where they'll be at

[drifting cloud]

its probably played less than feral lol

atleast in like 24+

[gusty mirage]

would you look at that

[drifting cloud]

theres like 3 people that have okayish rio as assa

[gusty mirage]

a 0 score is 9768 in the world for assassination

LMFAO

but there are certain dungeons where you just play outlaw

it makes no sense to play sin

but upper kara/streets/mechagons/iron docks

I think assassination is just as good

[drifting cloud]

yeah problem in kara when you go high is youre inting your group on curator

[gusty mirage]

I mean you'd think that

[drifting cloud]

and usually if you can kill curator you should be able to time the key

[gusty mirage]

but I gaped the survival hunter on curator

not gapped

gaped

I beat him by 8k on curator

[fallen arch]

Even Zerocool plays outlaw now

[drifting cloud]

well its not about curator dmg :p

[gusty mirage]

what is it about then

the motes give free bonespike charges + extra CP

some of these boss fights are giga good for necro sin

[drifting cloud]

oh necro

[gusty mirage]

playing venthyr sin in keys is actually cancer

boss fights with adds that die a lot

is ridiculously good for necro sin

[drifting cloud]

but yeah upper is just a weird dungeon because of how scaling impacts the fights

[gusty mirage]

upper is a weird dungeon

[fallen arch]

You play duskwalkers in keys too now right?

[gusty mirage]

medivh rng can make it go from the easiest boss in the dungeon to the worst

[drifting cloud]

yeah if youre doing 22 fort you can almost faceroll and hes gonna die 2nd aoe phase

but on 25+ tyra its like youre playing a different dungeon

[gusty mirage]

it got sketchy in a 24 upper last night

but we had a boomkin

so like

yeah

but tbh there's no reason not to play outlaw

ever

[gusty mirage]

yup

[marble hemlock]

Outlaw sucks. That's a good reason.

[gusty mirage]

unfortunately all 3 specs suck

outlaw sucks the least

[marble hemlock]

Well im not talking performance wise

[gusty mirage]

just embrace the fury warrior rogue spec

its okay

[marble hemlock]

No

Never

[gusty mirage]

well I'm trying to fight the good fight

it's hard

good first steps

[marble hemlock]

I know

But I'm proud of you

[drifting cloud]

you can never wash away CN seli

we will remember

[gusty mirage]

he killed the end boss as assassination tho

[viscid spear]

Last two runs he never did Flame Wreath, it was bizarre

[marble hemlock]

If I'd still play m+, I'd play assa atm. Don't think it's nearly as bad as people say it is

[gusty mirage]

yeah it's wild aint it

[drifting cloud]

its not, but I only played it in like 24-25 with friends

[gusty mirage]

how difficulty just drops when he does the winter instead?

[marble hemlock]

You mean when i was the first assa to kill deny? ;P

[gusty mirage]

uh oh

you're hitting that sweet IO spot soon

where you become mush brain

[viscid spear]

I'm hanging back on my Mage, waiting and it never happens

[drifting cloud]

whats the spot

[gusty mirage]

idk anymore

[drifting cloud]

im 2799, is it 1 away?

[gusty mirage]

buddy you've done WAY more push keys than I have

[drifting cloud]

its not that many keys

[viscid spear]

I'm only 2079

[gusty mirage]

yeah okay

"not that many"

[drifting cloud]

well the actual number!

not their level

[gusty mirage]

Ryler turning into what he fought against so hard

[drifting cloud]

I was just bored enough when it was like 3 good weeks in a row

I havent done any key in 2 weeks now

were bad, but everyones main is meta comp for s4 lmao

its very suprising how much you can faceroll and still do 24s

I timed 26 grimrail with assa conduits, it was only 2.5k dps downgrade

[gusty mirage]

esp with a survival hunter doing 80-90k dps in a trash pull with PI

[drifting cloud]

yeah im basically just a filler for 5th spot

could replace me with a cardboard cuttout, wouldnt be a huge difference

just dont die and try to beat tank on overall are the goals

[subtle tundra]

Yea that's what happens when the meta stays the same between seasons

[gusty mirage]

post-nerf survival btw

[subtle tundra]

It omega sucks when nothing happens tuning wise

[gusty mirage]

destro and survival got "nerfed" and are still obscenely better than everyone not named windwalker monk

[subtle tundra]

ok but ww has dogshit st

[gusty mirage]

yeah it's the only outlier that actually makes sense

amazing aoe

[vestal wren]

how is beta so far varas? you having a good time?

[gusty mirage]

dogshit ST

[drifting cloud]

man imagine how destro would look without 2 or 3 nerfs or whatever it was

[gusty mirage]

survival? amazing everything

[subtle tundra]

and its not meta cause the dungeons are a lot of ST

[gusty mirage]

destro? same thing

[subtle tundra]

havent played lol

[gusty mirage]

good thing they gave destro that 5% aura buff at the beginning of season 3 guys

[subtle tundra]

not gonna play until its playable

[vestal wren]

oh, you wait for bugs to be fixed i assume

[gusty mirage]

really necessary

[vestal wren]

it is a good solution 👍

[gusty mirage]

I personally like losing shiv

it's my fav bug

[vestal wren]

it is funny on sub too

you can lose dance and symbols

[gusty mirage]

beauty

[pseudo hamlet]

Is that done with Assa spec?

[true rapids]

I've been very unlucky with drops is pvp a decent way to get an offhand dagger still rocking a green dagger atm

[hollow river]

it can be yeah if you're having that much trouble

can just do a bunch of regular BGs and upgrade an honor dagger

[strange python]

I think the weekly from zereith morris will be enough to purchase and upgrade

A new deal or whatever it’s called

[winter vapor]

the eye mythic, we can't solo the chain soak can we?

I thought the cloak just shifted it to someone else

[balmy condor]

!def

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[balmy condor]

looks like you can

[winter vapor]

ty @balmy condor

[tired falcon]

You can even if you get dragged

Either have gate or displacement of some sort

[winter vapor]

should I be waiting for the cast to go off? I did it and it just recast onto me straight after

[balmy condor]

yeh

but honestly I wouldn't even bother cloaking it

you can just strafe it

[winter vapor]

thanks, it died anyway so 🙂

[leaden hornet]

do we use oil or stonesw

[balmy condor]

stones always

[leaden hornet]

thnx

[wind totem]

Do sped up garrote and rupture remain sped up after vendetta ends or can I safely reapply them?

[viscid spear]

If you apply them before Vendetta ends they'll stay in their sped-up state. If you reapply them they become the normal durations. But you want to let those sped-up bleeds time out completely first.

[thorn fjord]

We still retail boiz?

Haven’t been in here in a few weeks

[wind totem]

Thats was pretty much what I was asking. thanks.

[thorn fjord]

Hope everyone is doing well

[viscid spear]

That's why the guide recommends refreshing them as close to Vendetta ending as possible

[wind totem]

I just came back to prepare for DF so I'm 2 patches behind in how shit is.

[viscid spear]

I've been playing a Mage this season

[thorn fjord]

What spec?

[viscid spear]

[thorn fjord]

Is that a whale?

🤣

[dense hamlet]

thats a dog

[violet jackal]

pretty sure it's a toad

[thorn fjord]

I think panda is right

[gusty mirage]

[dense hamlet]

that is a dog

[viscid spear]

No it's Patrick

[spice spire]

@viscid spear has fallen victim to the guild trap

[viscid spear]

[spice spire]

Running what the guild needs

Though I’m glad you’re enjoying mage

[unkempt belfry]

where might I find the string for simming power infusion?

[limber lion]

external_buffs.power_infusion=5/125/245

[unkempt belfry]

ty

[arctic venture]

guys there is some place where I can get PAWN stats ?

[balmy condor]

yeah, 2016

[arctic venture]

hehe that what I need.

Im leveling ;D

[balmy condor]

my guy

if pawn normally is like a 1 in usability

pawn during leveling is like a negative 24

[arctic venture]

Im on classic.

[balmy condor]

EVEN WORSE OH MY GOD

[arctic venture]

LOL

I need to spend time before the new expansion!

😄

[misty holly]

How are you supposed to compare items stat weights if not using pawn?

[balmy condor]

you.... you don't

you sim it like a normal human

pawn has been flawed since it's inception because it just estimates the damage you get from the stats on each item and then calls it a day

and stats just don't work like that

you're already simming a new pawn string every time you change gear

just top gear once instead

its less effort and more accurate

why would anyone use pawn

[arctic venture]

Im doing just to have a clue about low level gear

[balmy condor]

higher ilvl better

there's your clue

pawn should've died 2 expansions ago

and yet it keeps popping back up

it's like a resident evil boss

you kill it and it comes back

and then you kill it again

and it comes back

actual invincible cancer

[arctic venture]

he keeps upgrading

[inner temple]

https://tenor.com/view/nope-gif-23756243

[vast loom]

we just arnt in the future enough where pawn auto sims your character vs the gear you hover and sims in real time to tell you the dps upgrade 🙂

[balmy condor]

yeah

and also auto-sims dungeonroute for the dungeon you're in currently

and then makes a macro to auto-equip your best in bag

[inner temple]

cmon koji, get on this shit already

[timid cloud]

As long as it has the Dratnos route, then that’s the only way I can trust it.

As well as numbers pulled from the book of blunderbussy.

[strange python]

People using eye because scars is annoying? Or because they haven't gotten scars?

[balmy condor]

probably a combination of both

[timid cloud]

It’s less annoying to play with.

Might stick with the decanty for that reason.

[rapid forum]

I'm playing with eye because it's equip it and forget it

[umbral rapids]

dumb question, you guys putting leggo on ring i suppose ?

with cos ring

[balmy condor]

you can yeah

[umbral rapids]

i'm not ready for this sin adventure whispyr

[pseudo hamlet]

Noticed funny thing when I was checking my gear stats

Raidbot tells me to go full mastery+vers gems now lol

[burnt latch]

this actually isnt very true for the content that he was looking advice for

[balmy condor]

for leveling?

[burnt latch]

more specifically classic leveling

[balmy condor]

[burnt latch]

dont think he was talking about retail

[balmy condor]

aight enlighten me

[burnt latch]

on what

[balmy condor]

what's more important than ilvl

[burnt latch]

having correct main stat, armor pen and haste are worth a lot of dps

the stat budgets on items seem to be all over the place

i have gotten agi items that are 30 ilvls higher but still a dps downgrade from what im wearing

but not really the correct place to discuss this either tbh

[timid cloud]

[dense hamlet]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/124169701881282560/1024382190005538937/1014218971609837670.gif

[balmy condor]

dps downgrade according to what exactly

[burnt latch]

sims

[balmy condor]

[burnt latch]

stuff like this happens when stat budgets are all over the place and armor pen is triple the value of AP and 50% better than agi

but yeah #classic-discussion

[gusty mirage]

Don’t forget 17% hit for those poisons to not be resisted

[burnt latch]

[gusty mirage]

Wrath was a wild time

[burnt latch]

my classic journey already ended. got home at 2pm, tried to que to level a bit. 4,5 hours avg que time at 2 PM

[spice spire]

God bless

[burnt latch]

desperate times cuz blizzard refuses to give me beta, gotta keep myself entertained somehow

im the only one in my guild that cant attend raid testing this week, literally every other raider has beta access

[gusty mirage]

It’s okay, our shit’s still broken anyway

[burnt latch]

yeah wanted to go see the bosses tho, not really too fussed with class testing at this point

[gusty mirage]

Just look in the mirror? You’re a boss

[burnt latch]

🫶

i really dont understand the metrics that they use to give out betas tho

id imagine on paper my account would look like a prime canditate to give beta to, but I guess they just do it mainly randomly

[gusty mirage]

Doesn’t seem to be anything specific, I think it’s random

[spice spire]

Ye there’s no way I get it before warcieft if it isn’t random

[gusty mirage]

Unless you got on the friends and family lists during alpha ig

[burnt latch]

everyone who progged with my guild got beta in the first 3 waves, but I didnt prog with them so I guess they didnt think I need it

[gusty mirage]

Then you just auto get beta

[burnt latch]

my old guild was like wr 95 or something, so I guess thats not high enough to warrant beta for raid testing

[gusty mirage]

I’ll call Ion and let him know dw

“My boy needs beta, don’t make me sue you”

[burnt latch]

thanks mate give him my best regards loving the content theyre giving me rn

option A is to spam refresh group in LFG on my hunter because rogue wont even get invited to keys.

option B is to wait in classic que for 4,5 hours

[gusty mirage]

[burnt latch]

option C is to go on PTR and play with new talents that arent implemented and im missing 10 talent points

great timeline this

[gusty mirage]

Option B somehow sounds worse than the other 2

And option C is horrendous

[burnt latch]

option B is the only one that eventually leads me to do content that I can make some sort of progress in

thats the sad part

[gusty mirage]

[burnt latch]

for some reason i got Classic Season of Mastery beta added to my bnet client

im pretty sure its a piss take

some blizz dev thinking theyre funny

bullying a poor finnish boy

oh nvm im sorry its PTR, got WOTLK beta tho pog

[timid cloud]

I’m evil & messed up. So I’m just letting the Alpha / Beta rot on my account.

https://tenor.com/view/evil-laugh-laughing-laugh-gif-20689978

[gusty mirage]

[timid cloud]

I simply will not partake in it, nor in Classic.

[clever agate]

Anyone even plays this spec lol

[balmy condor]

most people are playing outlaw this patch, or not playing at all

because ya know

meme season

[brazen zodiac]

meme

[timid cloud]

If you see me with Outlaw logs, mind your business….

[spice spire]

I better be seeing you in the NF sin logs buddy

[timid cloud]

[gusty mirage]

Sludgefist cursed tech

[timid cloud]

Wasn’t it for Shriek too?

I thought about it.

[gusty mirage]

Prolly

[spice spire]

It was

/is

Because it’s such a low kill timer

[timid cloud]

Then I said to myself, I’m not going to zone out just for this one fight just to spaghetti the rotation.

[drifting cloud]

shriek dies too fast for nf

[balmy condor]

Just need kill times to get fast enough for sbs

[drifting cloud]

or well is there some first strike shenanigans I guess aswell? you dont get 2 uses of cov ability

[violet jackal]

i do

[spice spire]

Amen

Need those windows

[timid cloud]

I don’t need windows to see what a great pal you are.

[spice spire]

[ebon notch]

hello

are you me

[gusty mirage]

no, he's nowhere near as handsome

[burnt latch]

https://tenor.com/view/rock-one-eyebrow-raised-rock-staring-the-rock-gif-22113367

[gusty mirage]

I've been really mean to him for the last month

I have to make up for it

[burnt latch]

fair

[ebon notch]

[ebon notch]

he did punching bag me

[burnt latch]

Some people have a punchable face tho

Like that kid from stranger things

Or the main guy in Sex Education

Or Toby Maguire

List goes on

[subtle tundra]

Hmm

[burnt latch]

Boris johnson too

Extremely punchable

[subtle tundra]

Hmm

Barack Obama

[burnt latch]

No

[subtle tundra]

What

[burnt latch]

We dont hurt Barack

[subtle tundra]

Hmm

[ebon notch]

hows monk discord

[dark token]

chill

[subtle tundra]

how am i supposed to know

[ebon notch]

your undercover training has been going well

[delicate bone]

!bos

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[marble hemlock]

no you dont

you have my permission

continue with the scheduled program

[cunning granite]

i was tinkering with necro doomblade leggo and the garrote trinket for the extra bleeds but simming it was not well anyone got that thought too? ^^

[oak sky]

the problem with necro is that with unity our 2nd covenant legendary is a pretty good piece of our power, but the necro legendary does 0 extra damage in single target

[cunning granite]

yeah i was more about necrobleed 5% bleed 5% garrotte 5% trinket garotte 5%

envenom damage

and yeah change the unity to some bigger ilvl

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uJF8Ey9uT1itWpdxM4iXRo
anyone got some tips for me?

with trinket 1073 crit (included the trinket 200 crit )
985 haste (without mechagon ring proc)
around 400 mastery

will try to shave 80 haste to mastery

[balmy condor]

definitely need to play MFD over deeper if you're going venthyr

[balmy condor]

problem with this is that it sucks compared to getting double vendettas with the tier set

like the thinking is fine in theory

but it's just weak compared to other things

also you have 2 eon's?

[cunning granite]

no

[balmy condor]

oh

weird

okay, then yeah

[cunning granite]

i could get one

[balmy condor]

just the mfd

[cunning granite]

got 2 coins

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/eDc727BUrSurVXrkLeCYcf

in simming it wasnt a real difference

so i use the sec stats

[balmy condor]

what

[cunning granite]

huh?

please dont kill me? x)

[balmy condor]

isn't that showing a big difference

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/x6pKjDEbN3jtwQxQ7kWaib

it's 100 dps

[cunning granite]

yeah

[balmy condor]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gbbLeF4Lk9yjd6Kubd2XiQ

and the same sim with mfd

shows eon at almost 200 dps

and also brings the baseline up 400 dps

[cunning granite]

the thing is i tried to play with mfd but i kinda failed

[balmy condor]

what was the issue

[cunning granite]

dont laugh at me but i dont have a button for it

got everything around wasd shift macroed like 28 keys

and i cant slip another one in it made me mad

[balmy condor]

well, better find some new buttons then cause dragonflight is gonna have more

[cunning granite]

more'? xD

but some get cut dont they?

[frosty bridge]

Not really

Get ready to add keybinds for Kingsbane, Exsang, Dance and Thistle Tea

[balmy condor]

well now hold on

[frosty bridge]

I guess MfD and CT won't be used in ST anymore (mayhaps)

[balmy condor]

could do this

but that sounds horrendously bad

[frosty bridge]

[balmy condor]

but if this is the meta build

you're just giga fucked

cause it's CT like now, and you already don't have a key for mfd, so you wouldn't have space for exsang

and then on top of that, you have sepsis, kingsbane, tea, dance

and maybe you take gouge in some raid fights

so you're actually 6 buttons short already

and that's if you already have a space for ambush

which I assume you don't

[hallow sage]

but think about it, can he remove vendetta 🧠

free slot for binding

[frosty bridge]

xD

[balmy condor]

[frosty bridge]

You just replace the bind with Death mark

[balmy condor]

holy fuck that's giga

[frosty bridge]

or even better

you just don't run deathmark

[balmy condor]

[hallow sage]

it's an entirely different ability that isn't just a reskinned and mildly more interesting vendetta so it must go on a different bind

[frosty bridge]

@balmy condor what happened to the shadow dance icon

[balmy condor]

lost in translation

[hallow sage]

shadowstep icon also goneski

[frosty bridge]

why did it become Shadow focus?

[balmy condor]

because spaghet

[frosty bridge]

[balmy condor]

I don't have the answers to the universe man

it just be like that

[frosty bridge]

Idk man, word on the street is you got that Blizzard clout

[hallow sage]

wait does sin not have the double deeper strat in the tree?

sadge d00d where's my 7cp finishers

[balmy condor]

on outlaw and sub

the specs that can actually generate enough combo points to justify 7cp

[hallow sage]

but more cp = bigger numbers, how am i gonna make a sick envenom crit compilation? tf

[balmy condor]

you join a 7.3 private server

or wrath I guess idk

but envenom crit compilation aint sin in current year bud

[hallow sage]

i'm bringing it back for DF tho

like how fashion cycles in and out

[balmy condor]

yeah sure

[hallow sage]

just need you to believe in me whisp

and the 3 digits on the back of your dad's credit card

[balmy condor]

I don't even believe in myself

[hallow sage]

well ill settle on the credit cards deets then ig? 🤷

[balmy condor]

358

[hallow sage]

cheers king 👑

wait hol up in regards to us not having 7 cps from 2x deeper strat

why's rupture been updated to have a 7 point finisher in the sin area of the patch notes

[oak sky]

er

[hallow sage]

o

right

[balmy condor]

shadowlands tooltips?

[hallow sage]

nah that

[oak sky]

just a guess

[balmy condor]

yeah

it's for ER

[oak sky]

nice that its there anyways i guess

[balmy condor]

it's just funny that they didn't do it for shadowlands

when ya know

they introduced it

could also be because sub has 7cp

and rupture

but idk

[oak sky]

does envenom have a 7cp tooltip

[balmy condor]

no clue

[hallow sage]

there's no mention of sub + rupture on the notes

[balmy condor]

well sub just uses sin rupture

[hallow sage]

and envenom doesn't have the tooltip details updated i guess

[balmy condor]

sub doesn't get some special rupture

it's the same rupture

[hallow sage]

just put it under baseline then not under sin smh

[balmy condor]

not quite how datamining works

but I get it

[hallow sage]

tho for some reason i thought sub was getting the bfa shadow dot replacement back, dunno where my brain got that from tho

[balmy condor]

replicating shadows

which was an azerite trait

[hallow sage]

ahhhhhhhhhhh

oh also dark brew

[frosty bridge]

think he means Nightblade or whatever it was called?

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=195452/nightblade

[hallow sage]

yeah but he was guessing where it came to my brain from, which was replicating and dark brew

[prisma gorge]

How’s sin lookin boys and girls

[timid cloud]

In what context?

Raid? Fine. M+ Not so fine.

Dragonflight?

🔮 🧙

[oblique wasp]

Yeah in DF we gonna have new abilities Bowling strike and Wizard Bolt.

:⁠-⁠D

[gusty mirage]

[sturdy merlin]

I just found out that shadowdust is strong on Lords

such a 5head move

(from the ppl who found it first)

[gusty mirage]

Damn did I wake up in April?

[sturdy merlin]

idk i always thought zoldyck was best

[gusty mirage]

Dust is slightly better

And that’s with a lot of change to the typical play style

[timid cloud]

That was the only fight I liked playing velcro lords.

[gusty mirage]

No you didn’t

Because half the time sbs bugged and you’d get 1cp per bonespike

[timid cloud]

Oh, I never noticed.

[gusty mirage]

[thorn fjord]

Anyone else annoyed about the release date?

[viscid spear]

Well my work goes hard the day after Thanksgiving, and they don't allow time-off until the last week in December

[thorn fjord]

Thats rough

Raiding during the Holidays is always a pain in the ass and right now Christmas and New Years land on Raid days for me 😦

[violet jackal]

no family no friends i'm fine with the date 🙂

[timid cloud]

Raiding on X-mas always blows.

[visual hemlock]

its just like back in castle nathria, raid 1 week and go on 2 weeks break couse of holidays

[thorn fjord]

i was drunk for all of Nathria so i dont remember

Was still coming off that quarantine lifestyle 🤣

[frosty bridge]

can you use meld for MA somehow in raid?

or are you perma combat

[lean gulch]

I swear I try to enjoy assassin but I die so easy to melee. Even with feint and evasion it only buys me like 10 seconds then I just die. Any tips?

Outlaw I feel so beefy I almost play like a warrior

Woops wrong channel

[gusty mirage]

play necro and pray

and just kite more

best bet to surviving

[brazen zodiac]

whats killin u tho

is it frontals, dots, avoidable stuff?

[hallow sage]

considering he said wrong channel i think he was talking about pvp

[brazen zodiac]

hm gotcha

[gritty hazel]

hello there what is the srtats for M+ And witch bist bug take critor haste or mastry ?

[spice spire]

Howdy:
It’s the same stuff, crit and haste good, mastery gains a little due to aoe for our stats.
For the affix, you’ll take crit if you’re venthyr or haste if you’re Necrolord

[gritty hazel]

ok thanks

so i go crit haste for gear stats ...

[spice spire]

Usually pretty safe, as you get higher in item level, you’ll start to want other stats.
It’s always best to sim it for max gains though

[gritty hazel]

so i go

or ?

[spice spire]

Whichever sims better

[gritty hazel]

so i must sim ?

[viscid spear]

[gritty hazel]

not thing that far deffenrage just +29

[thorn fjord]

Its our time to shine again! Who's running sin for break the meta? lol

[violet jackal]

me

[spice spire]

[subtle tundra]

When's that

[spice spire]

10/4

https://raider.io/news/403-break-the-meta-s4-arrives-october-4th#q2

[fallen arch]

U mean 4/10

[spice spire]

I only speak in freedom units, sorry

[vestal wren]

subtlety rogue 📈 ?

[granite widget]

subs gonna be insane for that

same with fdk

[subtle tundra]

Uhggggg maybe if I can find a group idk don't really know ppl

[thorn fjord]

towards the end of Oct

Sub is def the easy route 100%

Sub still smashes keys

[gusty mirage]

Sin smashes keys too

[burnt latch]

Varassasin + Subcieft link up

[spice spire]

Blessed group

Add fotmassassin and you got me bricked up

[burnt latch]

Fotmwarr the prot warrior

Cevmeow the feral druid

Dont think any of the meat heads in this discord play healer tho

[spice spire]

@gusty mirage the hpal

Goated squad

[gusty mirage]

I’m not healing anyone associated with this discord ever again

Mfers be coldsnapping ice barrier and complaining that they’re dying

[spice spire]

Bro I just want a crumb of heal

A crumb

[gusty mirage]

You got a crumb of heal

[spice spire]

💀

[gusty mirage]

Not my fault you iceblocked after you took a fuck ton of damage

And AFTER you cold snapped

Sorry my 228 hpal couldn’t keep you alive after you made awful choices in a 15

[spice spire]

I’ve said it once and I’ll say it again

No bitches

[burnt latch]

Ngl cold snap ice barrier is high elo tech

Sounds like your hpal let u down @spice spire

[spice spire]

It’s true

Wasn’t my fault at all, I played perfectly. I only know perfection. Just ask literally everyone that’s ran with me

I never die

[burnt latch]

Thats a widely spread and known fact

[spice spire]

God bless

[burnt latch]

What we in eu call a factual statement

[gusty mirage]

Widespread fact that he was doing less damage than @bleak sky ‘s tank too

Minalba didn’t die. I did my job, be better Quake

[spice spire]

Stuck in s2 old man

Even with the cursed minalba junkyard route

Sin cranks currently

[gusty mirage]

Oh no

You ran a key with minalba this tier?

[burnt latch]

its widely known that quake was having massive issues with his internet provider that day, can hardly blame a man for playing with 700 ms

[gusty mirage]

Sucks. Pay up for better internet loser

[burnt latch]

[gusty mirage]

But minalba did us no favors

“My pally is under geared”

“Okay”

[spice spire]

Nah it was a tyrannical 15 with all aoe

[gusty mirage]

Triple pull

[spice spire]

And everything just got slurpped

But yeah minalba on one this tier

Wanna run an rh key with that king

Absolute mad lad

[gusty mirage]

Mfers be doing 7k dps ST

And it’s my fault we wiped

[spice spire]

Oh the mists?

1000000% not your fault

[bleak sky]

i asked if you were okay with mana and shit after every pull

[spice spire]

Explain bondo’s yard

🤨

[ebon notch]

im down

what we doin

i got a cheat death trinket and a dream

[gusty mirage]

I wasn't there for that

[spice spire]

Only thing more fried than his route was the dps body pulling everything 💀

[brazen zodiac]

ur so cool

[spice spire]

No u

[brazen zodiac]

:O

[subtle tundra]

where can i find friends for the uhhhh break the meta

i wanna break some

[violet jackal]

raider.io discord

[thorn fjord]

I'm down to get saucy

[thin portal]

looking to get into assassination before expansion

Is everyone using Duskwalkers now for PvE?

[spice spire]

Yes, once you have 4p

[thin portal]

ofc I have 4p

[thorn fjord]

DW on chest ftw

When we running keys @spice spire

[spice spire]

Sunday if you want

[thorn fjord]

I'm down

I'll dm you

[spice spire]

Yessir

It’ll be later in the afternoon, like after 3 CST

Gotta say goodbye to people before I jump into keys

[thorn fjord]

All good... i spend the day loitering about watching football and running random keys throughout the day

[timid cloud]

The 4fun quake keys

[spice spire]

Mister die slow is going to regret it when quakethree (255) shows up to tank the lower 17

[timid cloud]

Quake POV

The weekly no leaver don’t be a dick learning group alliance friendly non toxic discord required drunk completion 4 fun noob friendly key

[thorn fjord]

Sin set is zzzz

But holy shit that pirate set

Sub set kinda zzzz too

Blizzard stays having a hard on for outlaw

[gusty mirage]

I think the sub set is great

it's a good feedback loop

could it be better? sure

but it's interesting at least

[thorn fjord]

It’s not awful I’ll agree

And more interesting than ours

[gusty mirage]

you don't like flat damage increases?

[vestal wren]

ye, i like it

but all sets are fairly "boring", intentional because there is a lot going on with the talent tree rework

[gusty mirage]

yeah I think it's fine

and I actually like the loops between the 2pc and 4pc

which I think was missing on a lot of tier sets this tier

my skepticism about DF is fading by the day

[vestal wren]

i haven't looked much at crafting

but it could be the pain point

ofc. also depend how much anyone personally likes the grind/level up system

[gusty mirage]

I played around with it a bit

and ngl it's confusing af

seems extremely grindy

[thorn fjord]

What’s does? Crafting?

[gusty mirage]

yeah

[timid cloud]

Blame me for this.

I told Whispyr about the legion talent.

He whispered something into the rogue guys ear.

I forgot his name.

[thorn fjord]

He was hanging out in our disc throughout the summer here and there

[timid cloud]

I joke.

[thorn fjord]

Ah

[timid cloud]

But I’ll be real with you chief, this set…

[thorn fjord]

We can still blame whispyr tho

[timid cloud]

TRUE

https://tenor.com/view/peepo-peepo-riot-riot-protest-peepo-angry-gif-21768097

[balmy condor]

hey

no

we love this

[timid cloud]

M’UH ENVENOM DAMAGE

Better fix the poison bug then.

[copper yew]

assassin is the best pvp spec now?

[uneven hamlet]

back to the envenom spam build?

[gusty mirage]

I'm still blaming you

[gusty mirage]

I mean what else are you going to spend your energy cap on?

you're just straight vibing at 100 energy at like all times

[gloomy knoll]

bleed amp

time to make everyone talk about exsang for 3 weeks

[gusty mirage]

esra if you keep this up Imma tell elusive to take you back

[gloomy knoll]

[regal sable]

i like the set

instant poison gaming