assassination

[stray mural]

I’m 294 and doing 24 mil average in keys. I feel like something is wrong. I don’t have logs, but can anyone else attest to similar numbers?

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8b7x8X2gtf12WVQr4UBtWr

Here’s like a quick sim for reference

[violet jackal]

patchwerk sim won't tell us anything about a dungeon

[spice spire]

Key damage fluctuates so much in a key as is.
Did you wipe? Did you take low pulls? Trinket usage? CD usage?

Like there’s so much in difference

Also which key? Are you doing a junkyard? Or an upper?

[grizzled jay]

Key damage just depends on your tank really lol

[stray mural]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7KQsgMaiY9xMvqgyKW297B

I can see the logic behind that

I got laughed at in an 18 iron docks for playing Assa and this Outlaw just completely blasted me out of the water. He was higher gear than me but it was absolutely wild how much more he did.

I like to think I’m pretty okay at Assa but Jesus Christ man it wasn’t even close.

[violet jackal]

multiple 5 target pulls that favored their damage profile over yours?

[grizzled jay]

That's because Assassination is a ST prio spec

and Outlaw gets to do their regular ST rotation and it just cleaves for free.

[cobalt hemlock]

isnt it funny that assasion is currently also doing terrible in the fated raids thing i saw us really low on the logs

[grizzled jay]

We have the 2nd highest boss damage.

And also have the fastest kills.

We just aren't fotm.

If you look at most bosses you'll see an Assassination sprinkling the top logs. We can compete with Outlaw in raid fights, there's just like 200~ parses a fated raid vs. 15000 Outlaw ones.

[violet jackal]

it's very important to understand filters to get an accurate picture

you probably are looking at a full overall vs boss only damage

[spice spire]

Heroic

[violet jackal]

heroic is my default viewpoint since it's accessible to everyone

[grizzled jay]

Less than half of the raiding population gets AotC, better drop down to Normal.

[cobalt hemlock]

i guess you are right i mean i do alright dmg in my raid group usually top 3 at least without any pi and bs but also im not playing with that insanely good people

[stray mural]

Wait what

[grizzled jay]

?

WoW's playerbase hardly raids. This is a very casual game.

[cobalt hemlock]

people vastly under estimate how bad is average player of the game

which is like fine btw

[grizzled jay]

They aren't "bad", just raiding isn't in their priorities at all.

They would rather farm transmogs, do contests and pet battles, and socialize rather than raid.

[stray mural]

So what percentage of the population clears any mythic at all?

[cobalt hemlock]

not sure but i would say less than 10%

probably even less tbh

[grizzled jay]

Any Mythic? Around 20%

[cobalt hemlock]

i meant cutting edge

[grizzled jay]

It's worth noting the 40%~ or so that usually get AotC includes the carries that happen so the real number of people who get it "legitimately" is much lower.

Probably by a good 10% or so I wager.

[cobalt hemlock]

yeah its funny when the raider.io shows they have 1/10 and coinsidentally its only the last boss

[grizzled jay]

SoD had about 30% or so clear at least Mythic Tarragrue, but that fight was a meme fight.

Only about 25% dropped Eye or Nine.

[cobalt hemlock]

yeah and now think how many killed painsmith and at the end sylvanas

good reason to make raid overall easier

big reason why people used to raid back in the day and they coincidentally stopped in cata when they got wayy harder

[carmine dawn]

You think 20% of wow players step into mythic raid?

[limber lion]

No

That's why we have 4 difficulties to choose from

Don't shit on mythic just because some ultra casual tmog mount farmers don't want to do it

Even if it was the easiest shit in the world,they still wouldn't do it

[violet jackal]

A statistic was put out awhile ago it certainly is less than 10% that do mythic raiding and like 3% that actually get cutting edge all bosses

[cobalt hemlock]

its not only ultra cassuals you know if 20% of players can only beat the easiest boss on the difficulty maybe putting all of that effort to make the raid as hard as it is could be used to make different kind of content

[limber lion]

No you misunderstood

it's not 20% who are capable of killing the bosses

it's 20% who ENTER the raid on mythic difficulty

also that's not how that works. Just because you make an encounter more easier, doesn't mean there's extra time that you can spend on "creating different content"

You can already clear the entire instance on LFR, normal and heroic with a full pug group

can't get much easier than that.

[cobalt hemlock]

you can have your point but why do you think there are way more people raiding in tbc than they raided in sepulcher for example with logs backing this up

[limber lion]

what

[cobalt hemlock]

it was a video from longer ago but i can send you the link if you would like

[limber lion]

How does the difficulty have anything to do with player numbers

lmao

if you can go in a mythic raid and oneshot every single boss

that will not make the player numbers skyrocket out of nowhere

[stray mural]

Wasn’t there only one difficulty in TBC anyways?

[grizzled jay]

20% of raiders

Well 20% kill first boss, presumably more "step into" and then don't kill.

[cobalt hemlock]

i mean it would but not because everyone loves raiding now but because free loot

[limber lion]

LMAO

Man's so delusional

[cobalt hemlock]

if you say so

[limber lion]

It just doesn't work like that my guy.

Free loot won't fix a bad game or a bad raid.

[cobalt hemlock]

thats true and i didnt claim that i only said if it was free loot more people would do it

[limber lion]

Funnily enough in Borderlands 3 the main critique of the game was that there's TOO much loot dropping and nothing feels unique anymore

[cobalt hemlock]

yes but in wow a mythic piece is almost always going to be better than heroic or normal piece so its little bit different

[grizzled jay]

Meanwhile PoE players mad when drop rate is nerfed lol

[limber lion]

But you realize that WoW is a game that we play for months at a time

if you get full bis in one week

what do you do for remaining 4 months of the tier?

exactly

you quit the game

[grizzled jay]

Mount farm

[limber lion]

and play something else

[grizzled jay]

[cobalt hemlock]

and also im once again not clamiming it should be like that

and never said anything close to that only that mythic or highest level or gear should be more accesible to average players and not only the <10% elite

[limber lion]

It already is via the vault

and m+

sure you might not have access to the last few bosses or specific raid items at mythic levels

but why should you

why should everyone have access to all loot in the game

there needs to be rewards for doing harder content

and that's loot

same goes for mounts

they're super rare and prestigious when you get them

but you have to put in work to do that

You won't kill Kael'thas once and get Ashes of Alar

or Lich King and get Invincible

[cobalt hemlock]

not sure quite how it would work but in my opinion the way ff has it (i dislike the game mostly) is preety good. with the out heroic dropping the highest gear and the hardest difficulty could drop prestige items like special weapons mounts and titles

people who do mythic for the challenge of it are happy. people who like to make their character as strong as it can be are happy and now you can look cool with a weapon nobody else can get

[limber lion]

The thing is that WoW is a seasonal game nowadays. There needs to be replay-value in everything that you do. If all gear is accessible to everyone instantly, it'll lower the replay value of the game. Most of us play very actively the first few weeks of a patch then we start raidlogging or just doing the weekly key. Without incentive in the raid or the vault, which in this case is loot, there's very little replay value.

You kill the last boss and then you quit the game until the next expansion/patch.

But yeah, prestige items could work for some people, but even then it's a very small minority who cares about stuff like mounts, pets, transmogs, titles etc.

I have a lot of casual friends who don't even clear heroic raids, but they still do their weekly keys every week. It's not because they can't do heroic, it's because they just don't like doing it.

[cobalt hemlock]

you are saying instantly again i know you are living in your pro-player bubble but normal people even the ones who are very much above average (not me) dont clear the mythic raid tier nowhere near instantly

[limber lion]

But they still want loot and because they enjoy doing m+, that's their way of getting it.

[limber lion]

No one does. No one clears the raid instantly. But you were saying previously that it should be made a lot easier so it's accessible to casual players

which would mean that it would have to be nerfed to absurd levels

meaning that for the experienced players it would be a joke.

[brazen zodiac]

lol

[limber lion]

Because you said that you don't consider yourself above average, but I can assure you that you are still a much better player than the majority of the WoW playerbase

[cobalt hemlock]

well yes i just odnt think they should design the mythic raids for the 1% raither than the 99% of the people who like raiding

[limber lion]

just because you made your way into this discord makes you stand out already.

[limber lion]

But 99% don't like raiding. Again, that's why there's 4 difficulties

Heroic gets the most numbers out of all raid difficulties and even then it's a minority of players.

Normal/LFR gets less players than heroic.

even though they're much easier versions of it.

[drifting cloud]

again with the made up numbers for mythic participation pog

[limber lion]

Not all content needs to be accessible to everyone. If you want to raid at a higher level, then you can put in the work and get better at the video game and eventually play at that level.

Just like with anything else in any other game.

[cobalt hemlock]

idk i still feel like it would be way better for the game if everyone could get their bis to really feel the power of the characters and the really good players be rewarded with prestige items

[limber lion]

If you want to climb the ladder in League, you're welcome to do that. If you only want to do ARAM/Normals, you're free to do that as well.

That's the beauty in having multiple difficulties and varied content in a game like this.

The gear should be incentive enough for you to get better at your class and the game

If you really want to get bis, then work on yourself. Get better at the game, play more, study your class

I have one friend who used to only raid normal, but then he really wanted to get a weapon from Ny'alotha, so he put in the time and effort to get better at the game and his class and found a guild to do it with

And he ended up killing most of the bosses in mythic

[cobalt hemlock]

in the process of it currently i joined this patch a mythic guild where we clear the lower mythic bosses before i did hc only

[limber lion]

where previously he was buying curve because he didn't want to clear the raid on heroic.

[gusty mirage]

your friend plays hunter?

[strange python]

Idk, I think more easily accessible loot is a good thing

Blizzard is afraid that loot is what keeps people subscribed and I don't know if I buy that. But I do know plenty who quit due to the loot system

[limber lion]

No, that's how it is at least for most people who raid mythic/heroic. Once you've cleared your difficulty of choice, why would you ever log back on if not for gear?

[strange python]

Because people enjoy it.

[limber lion]

Raidlogging is a thing because we clear the raid for loot.

We don't reclear every single week because it's a lot of fun

We reclear every week to get more gear and get stronger

[strange python]

Most raid loggers are raid loggers because the rest of the game is boring

[limber lion]

Exactly

And loot is what incentives people to still raidlog

instead of quitting altogether

[strange python]

I just don't buy that.

[limber lion]

okidoki lol.

[strange python]

Other games have much less restrictive loot systems and don't see everyone quit

[storm onyx]

Its a mix. Player expectations and feeling chaned a lot over the years also. Getting loot gotten easier compared to past; a lot of catch up systems in pace. Atm we are able to buy best 3 items just by participating the game .

[gusty mirage]

get my 8 bosses and log right off

[strange python]

I raid log because m+ is dogshit and pvp is dogshit. Not because I just want raid loot.

[storm onyx]

Game doesnt have a continuous character progression is another problem

[gusty mirage]

sounds like you hate the game

[strange python]

I like the raids.

[limber lion]

Yes, and if the raid didn't have any loot, your enjoyment of raiding would dimish as well.

which would result in your quitting earlier than you would normally

We choose who's benched on which boss depending on what loot people need from which boss, not which boss is the most fun to play for each person

[strange python]

Don't think so. I enjoy the raids when I have nothing left to get

[limber lion]

You're a rare breed then.

[strange python]

I mean this is about efficiency not about whether or not people would quit.

[violet jackal]

I also enjoy the raids when I have nothing else to get 🙂

[strange python]

Honestly the only part of farm that's boring is the external meta making logging a pain in the dick

[limber lion]

No, not "nothing else"

[gusty mirage]

you also unironically play necro in all situations

[limber lion]

we're talking about nothing

[gusty mirage]

[storm onyx]

Loot is the only means pf character progression atm ; if it is gone or trivial; I don’t think many be on. Or game will be just a vanity collection game

[limber lion]

Are you telling me you would log on every single week to reclear a raid that you've cleared for 8 weeks in a row now

[gusty mirage]

bingo

[limber lion]

knowing

that there is literally 0 to get out of it

other than "personal enjoyment".

[gusty mirage]

people raid for a variety of reasons, loot being one of them

[strange python]

If externals were gone gladly.

[distant mesa]

I made the Venthyr switch and it's asking for more crit lol

[violet jackal]

Cev I cleated Heroic 3 times this week and I still have 2 more to go on the same character with no chance to loot and no gold gained 🙂

[gusty mirage]

when you have a bigger roster, you pick the lineup based on who needs loot from the boss

some people love raiding and that's fine

some people love the people they raid with and also that's fine

but loot is the primary motivator

[strange python]

I'm far more likely to quit because I got garbage loot luck than I am because I'm BiS

[limber lion]

I wish I could just choose which bosses I could sit on and which bosses to kill. I'd gladly log on to kill Shriekwing, Sludgefist, Sire and then log off.

[gusty mirage]

find me one person who WANTS to do sylv

[violet jackal]

ME

[gusty mirage]

bullshit

if it didn't drop an EoN

why would anyone want to slug through p1 and p2

[limber lion]

Even you don't believe that.

[gusty mirage]

for 4 minutes of a good phase

[limber lion]

Having a chance of getting an item is infinitely better than not having the possibility of getting any upgrades ever.

[spice spire]

I’m on oxi’s side here

Enjoy raiding a lot

Enjoy many things

[violet jackal]

Mythic sylvanas is my favorite raid encounter it is flawlessly designed

[gusty mirage]

you're actually high

[spice spire]

Sylvanas I dislike heavily

[limber lion]

Similar to opening up the vault, you're always hyped to do it

[spice spire]

15 minute fights with 11 minutes of filler

[limber lion]

it's not because it's fun to press a button and watch the animation go by

it's because you have a chance of getting upgrades

and that's a pogo moment

[distant mesa]

Sylv is the longest boss fight in history I think. Even longer than garrosh. They said that no boss was going to be that long again

[gusty mirage]

5 million rives on mythic

[limber lion]

when that does happen

[gusty mirage]

FUN

IMMERSION

running the chains for another 4-5 minutes

POG

IMMERSED

[limber lion]

fuck I'm gonna be late

bb

[spice spire]

Gogogogogigo cev.
Be safe!

[strange python]

I quit nya after 20 carapace kills with no dagger and being currently pretty loot fucked I've already unsubbed s4

[gusty mirage]

if it wasn't for the people I enjoy raiding with

I would've quit this season

because idc about loot and idc about portals to the raids

[strange python]

You don't like waiting 3 weeks for sanctum to come around and doing more annoying versions of bosses you already had down?

[distant mesa]

My guild basically quit til flight, but I'm playing for the ilvl questing advantage

[gusty mirage]

I love the mote affix the most

just random server side lag

[strange python]

I hate all the affixes because they're so clearly not planned for the fights

[gusty mirage]

abilities going through 4s after I press them

very good for that vendetta overhang

let me tell you

motes out during the last 7s of vendetta?

good luck

[strange python]

Lol

[violet jackal]

Motes make great kevin fodder

[gusty mirage]

idk if you're unironically memeing about necro or if you're serious

[violet jackal]

I am

serious

[spice spire]

I just started FoK/CTing for a second on SLG

[gusty mirage]

I can't wait for the dispel fated affix on sludgefist

it's going to be so fun

[distant mesa]

FoN Rupt>FoN>CT>FoN>garrote>Enven is what I did when I had that

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

oh I know how to play around it

[strange python]

Honestly just hoping I get jailer mount before the sub runs out

[gusty mirage]

but what do you do when the rupture applies 4s later?

[spice spire]

Thank god for cheat death

[gusty mirage]

and you're outside of the vendetta window because of the lag?

you just accept it

[distant mesa]

Oof

[spice spire]

Because my mf partner gonna die of the soak side comes out

On god

[gusty mirage]

I dead ass pressed rupture

with 4s left on vendetta

and it applied AFTER

like cool

[spice spire]

Oh I saw

That was prime gameplay

[gusty mirage]

throw it on bosses that are historically laggy

so that it becomes unplayable

[spice spire]

Sylvanas was the largest troll I s2g

[gusty mirage]

dogshit fight

fuck sylvanas

[spice spire]

I’m a p3 enjoyer

But outside of that

[gusty mirage]

me too

esp when she dies

and I don't have to experience it for another 3 weeks

[distant mesa]

Heat don't dps till p3

[violet jackal]

Phase 2 was fun

[distant mesa]

Problem solved

[gusty mirage]

your ideas of fun are weird as fuck

[ebon notch]

@gusty mirage you had the chat with your warlocks yet

about mote padding

[gusty mirage]

no

I don't care

about this season at all

[ebon notch]

our warlocks do 5% of their damage to the first 40 motes

and then 95% to the rest

🙂

[gusty mirage]

of course

anything to pad

warlocks

hunters

and warriors

artificially inflating their dps

[violet jackal]

monk

[ebon notch]

you dont understand its on another level

so theyre all pumping rght

[gusty mirage]

bonedust wasn't working properly in fated raids

so not monk

[ebon notch]

peaking like 55k-60k dps

and then warlocks dump

and they shoot up to 160k

its just another level of padding

[gusty mirage]

meanwhile we're doing 30-35k trying to pad

[ebon notch]

they are in a tier of their own

[gusty mirage]

[ebon notch]

i was chilling near 45k until they implode

then i cant use globals

[gusty mirage]

yep

we have 3 of those shit heads too

imagine the lag with 3 imp implosions

also sire was unplayable for us

people porting around constantly

so we said maybe in 3 weeks

KEK

[distant mesa]

We had shit p1 sire rng

With the affix

[gusty mirage]

whoever decided the dispel soak affix

was good for any of these fights

deserves to be fired

last week on jailer it was great

comes out right before the MCs

so every MC'd player turns into usain bolt

[distant mesa]

LOL

[spice spire]

@ember mural was gone before I could even kidney him

[drifting cloud]

he probably deserved it

[gusty mirage]

also fun fact

the dispel debuff

[ebon notch]

if you have a warrior piercing howl or smth

[gusty mirage]

speeds up your flag window

[ebon notch]

it fixes it insta

or just a pre placed rop

[ember mural]

Quake didn't even try to stop me

[spice spire]

Buddy

[gusty mirage]

unless they're near a hole

then they teleport to the edge insta

🙂

[spice spire]

You were trying to beat the 40 meter dash

[ebon notch]

we had our dh dodge 2 kidneys and a cheap

[spice spire]

And you got the WR

[ember mural]

You had shadowstep

[ebon notch]

and jump off on prog

[ebon notch]

shouldnt be stacking near a hole tho

[gusty mirage]

you stack where boss is buddy

sometimes the boss doesn't move

[spice spire]

So I could be off the edge with you? Miss me with that

[ebon notch]

ye never tank boss on hole

big bad

[gusty mirage]

no one purposefully does that

but sometimes he just doesn't move

[ember mural]

[gusty mirage]

or are you unaware of how spell queuing works?

[spice spire]

Felt bad ngl

[ebon notch]

uwu

[limber lion]

There it is. You killed the boss 20 times. How many times would you have killed the boss if it dropped nothing?

Probably not as many.

[strange python]

Gladly as many.

[limber lion]

I don't believe you

[strange python]

I killed garrosh and sire as many times without needing loot and had fun.

[limber lion]

Garros and Sire were fun bosses though

[strange python]

I didn't have fun killing carapace and never getting the dagger.

[limber lion]

Even without loot it's a fun time killing them

Carapace was aids

[strange python]

I thought sire was a mediocre boss.

[limber lion]

but you still killed it 20 times

[strange python]

I think carapace is a more enjoyable fight than sire

I strongly dislike feeling at a disadvantage for key/core items.

[limber lion]

Me too

I think the current Dinar system is pretty good, however the quest requirements are a bit weird imo

[strange python]

I have a lot of gripes with it

[limber lion]

but it gives you access to your weapons and trinkets, which are usually the key items to your builds

[strange python]

It's brutally punishing for anyone who missed a week

It's too slow

[limber lion]

Just timegated instead of rng gated.

Yeh

[strange python]

The upgrade tokens are horribly slow

[brazen zodiac]

Lol

[strange python]

If they wanted to timegate it, I'd rather it be like the creation catalyst charges

[limber lion]

There needs to be a similar system to previous Valor system where you could catch up on if you missed out on a week

[strange python]

Or that

The mythic upgrade tokens are a major pain point imo, it's a little bit bullshit that tanks and healers would be 1.5-2x ahead of everyone

[limber lion]

But yeh the mythic upgrading is a bit weird, I'm never gonna get a single mythic dinar item on my alt

[vestal wren]

i think dinars have some issues

[limber lion]

Agreed.

[vestal wren]

they bring lucky people ahead further

[strange python]

It's a step in the right direction and I hope blizzard learns the right things from it.

Also that. Loot an EoN and you can now save a dinar for a second trinket

[vestal wren]

ideally we would see a complete loot rework, but everything that improves it is nice

[strange python]

It's also slightly annoying that casters only need 3 dinars because they can just use any random offhand

[limber lion]

I think one solution would be capping the mythic upgrade materials at like 3 per week and only needing like 8 per item or something

[strange python]

Whereas true duel wielders need 4

[limber lion]

So your entire roster can get all of the tokens and people who sit on the bench don't get fucked.

[strange python]

I like that

But that comes with some issues for extending

Or prog

[vestal wren]

a change to the id system could work

[limber lion]

That's true, but I think this sort of a system is never happening during the first few weeks of a new tier

[vestal wren]

mythic is in terms of lockouts super restrictive still for no reason

[strange python]

Yeah maybe.

[limber lion]

I think it would be weird buying a weapon from the last boss and upgrading it to mythic without ever killing it on mythic.

[strange python]

I'd like to see dual wielding be less of a pain in the dick

[limber lion]

So maybe locking the upgrading behind killing the boss could work.

But yeh, dual wielding is weird.

[vestal wren]

legion had that solved

[gusty mirage]

tbh I think cutting the upgrade item requirement in half, and making the end boss for heroic drop 2 mythic tokens would fix a lot of my issues with it

because out of 10 bosses you're probably getting at for at least 2 so everyone gets a vault

or at least make it so the mythic bosses drop 2

or something idk

[upbeat mirage]

sweet christ are they a fantastic leap in the correct (deterministic) direction though.

[gusty mirage]

killing 30 bosses for a normal ilvl item is kinda cringe

[upbeat mirage]

killing 30 lfr bosses for a normal ilvl item isn't

and if you killed 30 heroic bosses, then you've already instantly upgraded the item

and are halfway to doing a second.

[limber lion]

Yeh, I think putting a cap on the upgrade materials so even benched players can get all tokens every week and adding a catch up system would do a lot.

The dinars are a bit weird because it's such a short season, would be weird getting bis weapons after 2 resets imo. Also not a big fan of having to kill every single boss every week for the tokens.

[gusty mirage]

they should just go back to the valor/justice system

where you get x amount of currency per boss kill

make it so the vendor doesn't unlock the item until you kill the boss on that difficulty

[limber lion]

Yeah, that would be weird as well though because of bench. Healers, tanks and the raid lrader get all tokens and every dps would miss out on tokens because of the bench

Who knows, stupid game

I'm going back to habbo hotel

Peace

[gusty mirage]

HABBO HOTEL

BASED

[limber lion]

🛸

[vestal wren]

Habbo hotel and club penguin ^^

[ebon notch]

raid leader? 👀

[rotund oak]

Cev log review when

[drifting light]

I’m hearing Havoc went from 2 buttons rotation to button bloat in DF? Has master Realz delivered them a reality shock?

[viscid mantle]

As Sin, Should Nights Edge be in my main hand even if I have a worse dagger?

or does it always go in off

I was always told strongest weapon goes in Main hand

[carmine dawn]

Usually higher ilvl in mainhand yeah

You can run a sim to see tbh

[viscid mantle]

I have 298 Nights Edge, and then a 278 Trixies in offhand

[carmine dawn]

Yeah then you know what to do

[viscid mantle]

Ok, Ty

[carmine dawn]

[fading wind]

If i read this correctly? only 30% of the remaining rupture goes to the new one? Same for garrote? So if a vendetta'ed rupture is ticking out, but vendetta falls off, do I wait till that rupture completely falls off and then re apply ? or does the 30% rule apply for the empowered one as well? Trying to get a grasp on this as someone who has mained spriest for most of this tier, as our insanity dump just rolls over to the new dot

[balmy condor]

!pd

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[balmy condor]

The damage doesn’t roll

Just the duration

[fading wind]

ah

So with a rupture thats been applied when vendetta was on? Do i let it competely fall off?

then re apply

[balmy condor]

Fall off

[violet jackal]

yes

[fading wind]

or still 30% clip it

kk

tyh

[balmy condor]

But that’s only because tier set

Normal vendetta doesn’t snapshot

It’s the double tick rate thing that’s making the snapshot happen

[fading wind]

yea I have 4 piece double leggo, but I feel like im reapplying my bleeds way to often

then my slice goes out

well I should say, in the opener I just find it hard to weave a damn envenom in cause crimson falls off so fast with vendetta I feel like im spam re applying it and trying to just shove as many combos for flag

[balmy condor]

Yeah

That’s normal

You should be able to cut an envenom in somewhere in there and it’s good enough

[fading wind]

I usually slice off of a garrote so its only 1 combo point, should I give it like 3?

[balmy condor]

What

Why would you do that

[fading wind]

iono lmao

[violet jackal]

[balmy condor]

Our opener is mut snd mut gar

[fading wind]

i never said it was smart

[balmy condor]

Gar is a waste during master assassin

[fading wind]

but subtertfuge in m+

or do you still mut

on bosses

[balmy condor]

Oh well subterfuge m+ I would gar mut snd

[fading wind]

got it

[balmy condor]

I think sims technically gar snd mut

And then weave an envenom in

But it feels so wrong

If we’re being SUPER technical

You wouldn’t ever need to snd on bosses

Because you cast snd once at the start of the dungeon

[fading wind]

and never it fall

[balmy condor]

And then refresh it with envenom forever

[fading wind]

yea

I can't get it to stay on for the life of me, cause im a bleed happy moron, but imma track down some WA's to help track bleeds

so im not just spamming rupture for fun

[balmy condor]

[fading wind]

priest life ruins you

you just dump it whenever for free

[balmy condor]

Yah no

We’re not apes

[fading wind]

haha

right now its me brew/ww and the rogue priest is just meh to me atm

feels awful in all content

[late birch]

This worth using still over attack from behind?

nvm found in FAQ ❤️

[drifting cloud]

@limber lion bro unhide your logs, I already know its you when its anonymous assa

[spice spire]

Bro it could be anyone!

It could even be you, ryler

[oak sky]

I relate to this so strongly

[limber lion]

I quit the game, remember??

I don't know what you're talking about

ps. we saved lust on Sludge for third pillar, but range didn't soak so I didn't have any cds, trinket or the affix for the pillar with lust.

Theoretically, if I played that is.

[oak sky]

I fucked up everything on sludge

[vestal wren]

gives you a lot of room to improve next week

[oak sky]

My chain broke because i went the wrong way so i got stunned and my vendetta didnt line on first pillar, then ranged missed a soak, and i think i also didnt vanish, then i died running for the soak on 4th pillar rofl

[limber lion]

3 weeks

[vestal wren]

3 weeks of preperation and fight analysis

[oak sky]

Its allg though because i got rank 1 non fated lords of dread

[limber lion]

Why did you do non fated lords

[oak sky]

Jailer mount

[limber lion]

Ah

[oak sky]

We finished everything but sire last night

Then today we probably do heroic-> finish jailer then maybe some sire

[limber lion]

Nice nice, we killed up to sire as well. I'm gonna be off on Monday so no Sire for me sadge

[violet jackal]

this was me last night someone sabotaged me

[spice spire]

Didn’t you step to the boss?

With a non rogue partner

[plain jewel]

is sylvanas dagger worth in M+? mainly keys around the 15 range

[spice spire]

If it’s your best dagger, yea

[violet jackal]

no

[spice spire]

OH NO.

[violet jackal]

I just saw the replay it was you!

[spice spire]

Someone said it happened and I assumed it was you (it wasn’t me)

Doz skulker’s winged

[limber lion]

Gamer

[spice spire]

Actually I’m being gaslit.
Those are the chain breaks

[rotund oak]

UwU

[violet jackal]

actual culprit found

[spice spire]

You were the sussy one all along

[violet jackal]

wasn'tme

[spice spire]

[violet jackal]

I am the victim here 😭

I was about to juice

[viscid spear]

[spice spire]

Only one died

[violet jackal]

your healers love me I don't know what to say

[ember mural]

What about it

[spice spire]

I’ve got my eye on you mister ninjapandax

[spice spire]

You’re a braver man than I for popping that trinket on Sludgefist

[limber lion]

replay will tell you the full story

replay time

[spice spire]

Replay on mobile

[limber lion]

link log

[spice spire]

Is dog water

[limber lion]

I'll do it

I'll find the culprit

[spice spire]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/xyp2AXZvCHL8Bmq3#fight=35&type=damage-done

Detective Ceverion on the case

[rotund oak]

Cev is back putting everything into place

longtime no Cev see

[limber lion]

Okay so it's a bit of both. Warrior didn't move with the group towards the pillar and Ninja moved too far away from the warrior breaking the chain.

So technically it's Ninjapanda who broke the chain by running away from the warrior

[spice spire]

Communication issues

[limber lion]

but it's the warriors fault for staying behind and not moving

[spice spire]

I wanted to flame someone

(In a meme way)

[viscid spear]

tbf I had gotten the trinket the first kill on Shriek way back in the day, and I used it recklessly all the time, especially on Sludge

[violet jackal]

that's not communiation that failure to follow the raid lead we knew the pillar order. i'm innocent

[spice spire]

Iirc tanks also blew up first pillar

[spice spire]

Ur a madlad

It was a clean kill!!

I also didn’t get stunned on the third pillar!!

[limber lion]

Well you running away from your partner makes you the culprit, pillar or not

[spice spire]

[limber lion]

Should always know where your partner is

[spice spire]

They both shot each other in cold blood

[limber lion]

[spice spire]

But rogues cheat death

Unlucky

[violet jackal]

There was so many people honestly thought my partner was on top of me

[limber lion]

big red ball on top of your partner

[viscid spear]

I can honestly say without a shred of regret that our current healers are leagues above what I was dealing with for all of CN and the majority of SoD before I joined

[ember mural]

God bless

[limber lion]

should be easy enough to see

[spice spire]

Yeah, mine was pretty visible my partner was trolling me a bit too, on the final bit

[oak sky]

I literally just went right instead of left lmao

[ember mural]

Gen on xymox

[spice spire]

Luckily doz and I linked up for the first

[oak sky]

I autopiloted instead of following

[limber lion]

but yeh that happened in 2 seconds, you just pressed pressed W without looking at your partner and your partner pressed alt-tab

[viscid spear]

Like imagine if your RL was the MT and married to one of the healers, and she died so much that it was an unsaid fact that she would need to be accounted for in that regard which is why the other healers had to heavily compensate and also why she mained a Shaman

[spice spire]

[violet jackal]

uh what did I just read

[spice spire]

Good thing faill and I aren’t married

Anyway

Shiv

[viscid spear]

Resto Shaman in my Alliance guild was married to the Prot Pally and we were never allowed to point out the obvious fact that she was terribad

I mean I have their logs on hand at all times, despite not raiding with them since the tailed of Sanctum

[spice spire]

Yeah but when are you going to out me for the fraud that I am?

[viscid spear]

Case in point, the healing done for H Shriek the other night

See the Resto Shaman?

[spice spire]

[viscid spear]

On the dps side of it Quake, we had 7 people in our kill that did more than their top dps

[drifting cloud]

260 ilvl?

[viscid spear]

Also over a minute faster kill

[viscid spear]

Yes, and the 2nd Paladin there is the Prot Pally husbando

Death log shows she died 1:41 into the fight, which was 4:03 overall

[violet jackal]

Fun fact if i natty loot a 2nd sylv dagger i'll have 2 dinar that just to waste becasue there nothing to buy 🙂

[viscid spear]

It took like one week of raiding with Quake to realize how scuffed my raiding situation was

[viscid spear]

I used one on a dagger and the next will go to a trinket, after that I have no idea

[violet jackal]

I think best case idea is double dagger scars. Scars is banned in both my mythic team and casual aotc team 🙃 I have a 304 injector which pairs with eye of command in all content

[viscid spear]

@spice spire Huntsman even worse, we had 10 of us with more dps than their top 1 (15.8k)

Also at least 5 deaths per fight

That Resto hardcarried so much it's nuts

They also didn't down Sire, never made it past P2

[spice spire]

Hate to see it but glad you’re here

[viscid spear]

For most of the fights their top dps was ||a Feral||

[spice spire]

Cursed

[viscid spear]

10 ilvls on Will but does less damage

297 ilvl doing 19.3k on a fight that a 287 did 21.2k

And the 287 was 8th in dps

[viscid spear]

But most definitely, so much better and happier

Man I only parsed 88 on Huntsman

93 Innerva

[spice spire]

[ember mural]

[oblique jackal]

Anyone good with weakauras?

[limber lion]

sup

[brazen zodiac]

sup

[oblique jackal]

How do i make the number red during pandemic window

[narrow adder]

Get that sweet KT weapon mog.

[strange python]

which spec is the easiest mage towr for us

[brazen zodiac]

i thought it was different for all specs and classes

(im probs wrong tho)

[strange python]

wdym

it is different

but i mean in terms of easiness, like warrior fury was easiest which is agatha which ive done so i was thinking maybe outlaw

[narrow adder]

Sub isn't complicated, just annoying.

[loud light]

outlaw is probably the easiest (as you said, agatha)

[balmy condor]

i thought sin was really easy, others have said outlaw

I think sub is generally considered the most difficult

[drifting cloud]

for me sin was hardest :p

but on sub if you 2-3 tw items it makes alot of difference

[red tinsel]

Every week it comes by and I don't see Rogue news, I feel sure they're not going to change that

[balmy condor]

The dev has talked in this discord multiple times a week and specifically said thistle tea is on his radar on at least 3-4 occasions I have no idea why you would just be negative about it based on your own lack of information

Seems kinda misguided to me

[loud light]

we also actively know that he's also working on DH trees and they literally just released havoc without vengeance so obviously they're still mid-work on that

[gleaming fable]

fwiw someone else is leading vengeance tree

[balmy condor]

Idk it’s just so asinine to me to jump into a chat, say “whelp guess it’s not changing” with no knowledge of the actual communications we get. And that’s on top of the fact that we’re still heavy in the iterative phase of talents. Bug fixing isn’t close, tuning isn’t close. Trees are getting fixed constantly like it doesn’t even make sense from a timing standpoint

If you showed up in mid October and went “well thistle isn’t changing” after we got tuning pass #3

Sure

But cmon man

[oak sky]

The only take rn is thistle tea currently sucks

[ember mural]

its still alpha

not even beta

lots of time for changes

[gleaming fable]

somewhat relevant clip https://clips.twitch.tv/KathishGrotesqueBaconBrokeBack-INlW8GiJe5d7iIJL

doomposting can wait until october atleast

[fleet whale]

I think there will be some rogue updates in the next build, Realz has already talked about some of them on here
He's probably just been hyper focused on Demon Hunters right now

[brazen zodiac]

people want 4 months of work done in 1 week apparently idk

strange

[cerulean nest]

not like our tree has nearly enough wrong with it to make it priority over others'

they arent far off

[grizzled jay]

i also noticed that he said "if a class just brings 3% of something that's not a really good system to force that class to be taken in Mythic" (verbatim)

Atrophic may be bye bye lol

he said a lot of stuff that alluded to Rogue to me, but that may because we're one of the more fleshes out classses

[gleaming fable]

3% of something is like every raid buff though

[grizzled jay]

well he was talking about things like... Death Grip for DKs as something that makes them near required on a ton of boss fights at high-end Mythic but isn't just a buff

Restless Blades is technically just a "percent increase" but it interacts more with the group than just "take/deal 3% less/more damage"

[marble hemlock]

tbf the main issue with outlaw raid utility is that in order to get it, you need to bring someone who willingly plays outlaw. in a "bring the player, not the class" environment, thats almost always a downgrade for your raid as people who voluntarily play outlaw are clearly not someone you typically want in your top20 core roster

[grizzled jay]

idk ion kinda made it clear they want every class to be present at the Mythic level as a requirement. and that seems to be the trend they are going down.

[fleet anchor]

I would say most of people's concerns comes from a feeling there is 4 months of work when the rumors/indication is that they are talking about releasing in 2 months. 😛

If Blizzard wasn't talking about releasing this year--which pushes up the prepatch somewhere into mid-Oct to early Nov range at the latest--I don't think anyone would mind where things are at. But realistically when the prospect is ~6 weeks of dev time remaining before things may be expected to hit live servers (unless they hold back the talent revamp in the prepatch) it starts getting a little sketchy. Without an official date it's hard to say though.

[hollow river]

Get em Seli

[marble hemlock]

yeah what koji wrote basically

i think the overall way the alpha has been shaping up so far, and the way some of the devs interact with the community, everyone is pretty damn stoked

[hollow river]

Yeah things are looking pretty optimistic tbf

[marble hemlock]

but considering that its supposed to be somewhat feature-complete for prepatch in ~2months, it suddenly becomes a bit more problematic

[hollow river]

There’s just a lot of doomsayers that want to drudge up the past

[hollow river]

Yeah but there’s practically nothing else for them to focus on. Just the trees, bugs and tuning

Think Ion said something along the lines of them still needing to make Conduits/Soul binds/Torghast powers etc at this stage of SL

[marble hemlock]

thats still a lot of stuff

since patches still only come once a week

reiterating on something once or twice will already take upwards of a month

weve had stuff pushed back to be updated or going "live" with a later patch because it just wasnt ready at the time

new alpha or beta patch can go live, we find a bug, we report it, and itll take weeks until a build gets pushed where its fixed

[fleet anchor]

I mean bumbling around on alpha I disagree to some various degree. I think if we view alpha as alpha in the context of previous xpacs, things are in a great place. But if we view alpha as "closed beta" compared to the timeline of Legion/BfA/SL alpha->beta track--which would be more appropriate if the leaked release date holds--things are gonna be tight.

This is kinda where things are tricky because typically WoW uses the "alpha" terminology to mean a specific phase of development and right now it's not far off from that

But then there comes talks and a pre-order date that implies a very different timeline

So I think it's natural people are a little concerned about that aspect

[grizzled jay]

i think people are just used to legion-sl which had massive systems that required insane amount of devwork

99% of the devwork is just talent trees which, when completed, don't require iteration like Legendary weapons, Azerite armor/corruptions, and covenant abilities did (at least, not to the same degree).

the stuff like raid, quests, leveling, etc. is all easy work. half the quests didn't work in the alpha like the week before SL dropped. some quests were bugged but there wasn't anything that prevented you from progressing on launch.

[fleet anchor]

I think saying “just talent trees” undersells the work involved a fair bit

[umbral rapids]

Agreed

[fleet anchor]

Talent tree revamp is significantly more complex than like the BfA Azerite and AP systems not less

[umbral rapids]

It’s still so many nodes and combinations for 38 specs

On top of class trees

[fleet anchor]

Literally changing everything about the core functionality of every spec in the game. It’s not something you’d want to rush. lol

[hollow river]

@marble hemlock @fleet anchor yeah i can definitely see where those concerns come from, Dec 31 IS quite soon if you think about it from a weekly dev update standpoint

[fleet anchor]

Well Dec 31 quoted date was always overly optimistic to begin with from the community standpoint.

[umbral rapids]

Tbf so far their response and reaction to feedback has been pretty good but yeah it’s a lot of work.

Hopefully theh pull it off

[fleet anchor]

December 6th is the latest realistic date due to the holidays

Which means prepatch Nov 8th. And that’s like the latest it could be for 2022 launch.

[umbral rapids]

Sounds reasonable yeah

[hollow river]

guess i'm just trying to be optimistic about the somewhat quick responses and the fact that they seem to be taking our feedback seriously, at least the devs that have had the time to update the first trees did so that's something

[umbral rapids]

Yeah I mean, I’m optimistic but I still feel like it’s really tight

From a project standpoint it has to be so stressful

[fleet anchor]

I have little complains about the way the Rogue trees are headed and Realz or whatever. But mostly just concerned about the timeline of the xpac in general.

[hollow river]

i never would've expected the rogue tree changes that were discussed to be "implemented" that fast for example

[umbral rapids]

Yeah I think that’s what we’re all saying

[fleet anchor]

If Ion came out tomorrow and said DF was releasing in March for example I’d have like no concern at all.

[umbral rapids]

That was my initial prediction tbh

[hollow river]

yeah, my first response into this topic was more about the doomsayers that are trying to say "oh we'll have this same tuning and bugs when it goes live"

[umbral rapids]

I wouldn’t even be mad

Imagine not dooming about wow

[hollow river]

when they haven't done a single tuning pass and the last class tree was just implemented this week, excluding Veng

[umbral rapids]

Smh are you even playing the game

[hollow river]

actually IM NOT

[umbral rapids]

kek

[hollow river]

have barely logged in for the past 2-3 months or so

[spice spire]

He just like me

(During sofo)

[grizzled jay]

The Dec 31st date is required by EU law.

If you offer pre-purchase in EU you must also give a release date.

WC3:R also had a Dec. 31st release date but it definitely did not release that year.

[fleet anchor]

They don’t have to stick to it iirc. Just have to offer refunds to e people who want if they do.

Although most people wouldn’t bother

[hollow river]

man that has to be a ridiculous process of giving those out

but ye most will just wait

do they take away your in game goodies if you refund a preorder that way? i wonder

[grizzled jay]

Yup this is also true.

[grizzled jay]

they become unusable. that happened when people cancelled their SL pre-purchases when Blizzard themselves offered refunds when it got delayed.

[brazen zodiac]

2 months?!?

havent seen or heard that anywhere but thats pretty crazy

[brazen zodiac]

thats interesting lol learn somethin new every day

[balmy condor]

november drop yuh

[brazen zodiac]

wild

[grizzled jay]

looks like probably 2 weeks before T-Giving with Mythic dropping the week before if you believe what Ion is saying at face value

[oak sky]

the leaked time was nov 28th wasnt it

[grizzled jay]

i guess it could launch the week of thanksgiving and the raid launches a week later

[amber fossil]

is anyone else experiencing the Titanic Ocular Gland not giving the right buff after switching gearsets?

I wrote about it before

[fleet anchor]

Yeah but -1 month roughly for prepatch

Which would likely be expected to contain the talent changes

[oak sky]

end of november is like 3 months away

which would put prepatch at 2 months correct?

[main solar]

Another alpha bug: Serrated Bone Spike currently refunds 2 charges instead of 1 when the target dies.

[subtle tundra]

Good

[torn atlas]

Could be their plan for testing. Let the masses play with it in prepatch and tweak before launch.

[limber lion]

298 mecha set btw

1.1k dps

:D:D:DD:D:D:DD::D:D:D:D:D:D:D:

without socket as well

:D:D:D:D:D:'

[sturdy merlin]

You didn't farm Melandrus ?

[limber lion]

No

[sturdy merlin]

[limber lion]

Mecha set was our best simming ring set

until fucking 10 hours ago

[vestal wren]

already updated single target sims in the spreadsheet

sin is over sub in output 👀

[sturdy merlin]

Looks like some EU people still have TW keys

[vestal wren]

Assassination: 24,432 DPS ( + 0.68% dps)
Outlaw: 24533 DPS ( + 1.1% dps)
Subtlety: 24265 DPS

[limber lion]

sooooooooooo dumb bro

[vestal wren]

^ relative to sub

[sturdy merlin]

Maybe you can find some CoS to farm

[limber lion]

I like how the numbers are so close though, it's pretty

but fuck me

I already did 70 runs for my previous 272 ring

fuck my life

[vestal wren]

if you are eu

you can still get the ring

tw is buggy so open for this week

[limber lion]

Yeh but I'm super busy for the next few days and I really don't want to do any court ever again

I thought getting the ring twice was enough

I was mistaken

[vestal wren]

the old ring might be worth it too

i know running it again is inconvinient

[limber lion]

Yeh the old ring is +400 dps for me compared to 298 mecha set

had to use item restoration for that xd

[vestal wren]

also rly bad timing for sure if you are busy next days

but keep in mind that the blizz dev team is aware of it

so possible that it get fixed

[sturdy merlin]

@vestal wren Your sin sims use Decanter but your spreadsheet shows eye of command as bis trinket

[vestal wren]

moment, will check

interesting for sure

[limber lion]

Due to a recent discovery, the Jeweled Signet of Melandrus (the AA-ring from Court of Stars) is now our BEST IN SLOT ring.

The sim below compares a 298 Mecha Set (Backstab/Haste) and a 298 Signet. This ring is the single biggest increase in dps, even beating the Edge of Night. If you're in search for dps, make farming this ring your number one priority.

You can read more about the recent discovery and bug in #tc-updates.

If you are EU, you can still farm the ring this week. If you're NA, tough luck.

‼️ If you farmed a 272 ilvl Signet the previous season, make sure to item restore it and use it. It is still the best ring, beating the 304 Mechagon set even at 272 item level. ‼️

[vestal wren]

best solution would be to buff the mecha ring set 😛

[viscid spear]

Best solution is to release DF already

[vestal wren]

kiras even better

so 👀

[sturdy merlin]

You mean scars + kira ?

[vestal wren]

yes

[storm onyx]

wow 0.o

[sturdy merlin]

big

[vestal wren]

makes it:
Assassination: 24,586 DPS ( + 1.32% dps)
Outlaw: 24533 DPS ( + 1.1% dps)
Subtlety: 24265 DPS

so sin is #1 now

O.O

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9DKvbv4A1wN9r44a7y5xgk

[sturdy merlin]

double on-use is kinda scuffed on sin tho, if you get your 1st rune asap you can't sync kira with flag+vend

Or you gotta use kira 1st

[frosty cedar]

fuck is legion time walking still on

[sturdy merlin]

Could you run a sim with nadjia please @vestal wren

[zinc frost]

Here I was happy I didn’t have to farm signet this time round..

[vestal wren]

moment

[vestal wren]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5o9MzozFkQHETM6FNycqfA

[sturdy merlin]

Scars doesn't apply trinket cooldown to your 2nd trinket ?

thanks @vestal wren

[limber lion]

it does.

[vestal wren]

best combos with and without 3p

[lean fossil]

so for scars, do you just pop the buffs before the fight starts and then use again last 30 seconds of a fight?

[vestal wren]

!scars

[prisma monolith]

Scars of Fraternal Strife usage:
Stack it up to rune 4. Activate the 5th rune close to the end of the fight, if you can line it up with the last use of your major cooldown.
Note: Runes have negative side effects that can also take you out of stealth.

[sturdy merlin]

Sorry for the scuffed screenshot but why scars is used at pull and kira 7 seconds later ? There is no rune buff as well but the sim shows that scars is used on pull

[limber lion]

Because you can have 1 rune in the beginning of a fight by using it once pre-pull.

[sturdy merlin]

Ok I wasn't sure since it doesn't show up in the prepull section

Thanks

[limber lion]

Yeh the trinket works in funny ways

[subtle tundra]

Feels badman not farming for the finger

[thin imp]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[peak bobcat]

You can still farm the ring this week right?

[limber lion]

In EU, yes.

Not in NA.

[peak bobcat]

Rerolling

[limber lion]

The old 272 ring is still an upgrade over any ring combination at 304

so just use that if you have it

[viscid spear]

laughs

[dark token]

whats funny is that timewalking went away in NA after 1 week

but its still active in EU

[viscid spear]

The tradeoff is you live in Europe

[dark token]

yeah having better quality of life and more vacation hours is awful

[viscid spear]

You seem to have missed my need to feel self-important by actively lying to myself that my current situation is better than others where in fact it is most definitely not.

[peak bobcat]

Doomed without ring

[gusty mirage]

You had double edge of night before anyone, you’ll be fine

[peak bobcat]

Those eons really helped my heroic parses for sure

[ebon notch]

#subtlety message

what changed

[limber lion]

Trinkets

if you read 5 lines above

you'd know

but yeh kihras + scars

yuk

[ebon notch]

sorry sir

[violet jackal]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[vestal wren]

the aa ring is the biggest change, but ye trinket also changed slightly

cev made a pin for the ring

[violet jackal]

Does that put unity back to head, duskwalker on ring, and then we get to use the on use bracers?

[spice spire]

Unity probably won’t want to be on head since it maxes 291

And head is a premium stat slot

[ebon notch]

bracers ig

no max ilvl bracers

[spice spire]

I’d think so too

[vestal wren]

back/bracers are the probably optimal slots

given the lowest stat budget

bracers/ring sims highest with the ring changes

with mecha rings chest + bracers

[spice spire]

Bless up mister fuu

[strange python]

Even without discovering this bug, legion m+ only lasting a week is cringe

It was always dumb to give people one week to farm bis

[violet jackal]

To be fair from a blizzard viewpoint they don't care about your BiS the dungeons are just brought back as nostalgic content for some and new content for others

[limber lion]

They do though

[vestal wren]

they care if there is a extreme outliner

[limber lion]

That's why we had a massive trinket tuning patch before season 4

[vestal wren]

i agree the frequency of tw is fairly low, should be way higher

[strange python]

Make it two weeks then

Idc because s4 is s4, but it was always dumb having to spam one dungeon with such a short time span

[limber lion]

I had a 311 chest in the vault that I didn't take because I had Duskwalkers on chest.

What a sad day

[strange python]

Rip

Least you didn't get 3 304 downgrades in vault.

Have yet to get a vault upgrade this patch 😦

[limber lion]

Missed out on 200 juicy dps

Oh well

I just want sockets tbh

Sockets are a massive upgrade

[gusty mirage]

they should just rotate it weekly

like the content is there

why not use it

why arbitrarily timegate it

like idk about you guys

but I'm tired of tazavesh

it'd be nice to say "you know what I want to do legion tw for my vault keys this week"

[vestal wren]

I think thats a great idea

but also think they should do more than one xpac of tw

[gusty mirage]

someone tweet Ion and let him know more options = good

[vestal wren]

problem is

DF explores TW as option for regular dungeons

so i am not sure the concept of having TW as regular thing might die

[gusty mirage]

I dislike the seasonal approach to the bringing in a rotation for non-expac dungeons

like make it rotate weekly, not once or twice a year

or even monthly

[vestal wren]

i think

Tw dungeons could open up surface to improve on old dungeons

[gusty mirage]

yup

and if they're worried about loot, just make the loot table seasonal

[vestal wren]

and conserve old content while not eating up a lot of new content

[gusty mirage]

that way they don't have to go back and update loot for every dungeon

[vestal wren]

you could limit TW loot table to stat gear

so you wouldn't have outliners like the cos ring

thinking about legion is actually insane

legion had 14 dungeons compared to the 10 we get now per xpac

[gusty mirage]

Yeah legion was amazing content wise

There was a ton to do

[ember mural]

Wowhead just put an article out about Koji's research on the ring, expect a nerf from blizzard now

[gusty mirage]

Unlucky

[vestal wren]

they did ask koji yesterday

i kind of hope they don't fix it

i am currently updating profiles in the spreadsheet, don't want to roll back

[violet jackal]

110% getting fixed

[vestal wren]

it gets fixed for DF 100%

not sure about s4

[violet jackal]

if you fix it now you won't have to fix it later 😛

[vestal wren]

would people be angry if it would stay for s4?

i wonder

(assuming TW was open to everyone)

[violet jackal]

court of stars is in the first DF rotation

i'm sure people would be happy

[grim tangle]

I really don't care enough about S4 to care if they fix it or not

[vestal wren]

i think it would fix some specs esp. given how bad feral is atm

so at least for s4 it would be exciting in the sense of having something to farm that has high power budget

ofc. in df it would need to be fixed

[fossil lintel]

well NA can’t farm it anymore and during the time it was available it was simming worse than mecha set

Just a bit unfortunate timing rly

[ebon notch]

too much for them to balance

unless they drastically reduced the loot pool and put in a vendor with a TW currency or smth

[gusty mirage]

you really do suck at reading

[ebon notch]

ye probably

[gusty mirage]

no not probably

definitely

literally 30s after the ONE message you read to reply to

[ebon notch]

yeah what i said was different wdym

i was more specific

[gusty mirage]

thanks for your 2 cents

[vestal wren]

there is probably a argument made that they would need to invest more time initially

[gusty mirage]

it really contributed to a convo that took place 30 minutes ago

[vestal wren]

to balance out dungeons

[gusty mirage]

[ebon notch]

i mean i tried

[vestal wren]

like balance trash/bosses to not oneshot you

[ebon notch]

sorry

[gusty mirage]

apology not accepted

now get into cos and funnel cev a ring

or I'm muting you

PERMA

[ebon notch]

he already looted it wdym

[gusty mirage]

do it again

he needs one with a socket + avoidance

[ebon notch]

he wants it on druid now which i might have to help him with

he looted a socket already

[gusty mirage]

@limber lion you're actually a degenerate

let me ever do cos to get someone's feral druid alt an aa ring

[fading wigeon]

has this change been updated on raidbots? I want to see if the 272 version I have is better than the current rings I have lol

[gusty mirage]

yes

[fading wigeon]

thanks oxi

[gusty mirage]

you'll see some weirdge numbers

and be sad that you didn't bother farming it

[celest ruin]

298 cos ring vs 272 is 760 dps? what

[fading wigeon]

oh I am sad because I farmed the hell out of it all week

[gusty mirage]

and then they'll bug fix it and people will be sad that they farmed it

[fading wigeon]

and never got it to drop

I was doing it for my outlaw , not sin necessarily

but never got it 😦

made me hate the game

[gusty mirage]

yeah it's juicing the weapon damage of your weapons

[fading wigeon]

almost unsubscribed

[celest ruin]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/oNBpRSMFXJtQNEXRg6VBVA

[gusty mirage]

which is the highest source of deeps

[ebon notch]

my sim went up by 1k btw

over double socketed mecha set

[celest ruin]

rip me whens the next legion TW

[gusty mirage]

in 4 months

[celest ruin]

okay time to level a warlock

[gusty mirage]

now that it's made wowhead it'll get fixed probably

who knows

[fading wigeon]

who was the guy who brought it up to koji

[gusty mirage]

@whole mason the legend

[fading wigeon]

haha forever in our hearts

[whole mason]

Maybe not so soon. I believe they tried to fix somewhere yesterday, but it failed.

[gusty mirage]

yeah it'll take time

the janitor and 2 interns they have working on 9.2.7 only have so much in them

[whole mason]

The fix makes the ring normal, but adding weapon damage if you take off the ring. looool

[gusty mirage]

lmao what

alright time to item restore my 272

and use it to get a free 1k dps

[whole mason]

yeah, the fix makes the ring only add AA damage but if you take it off (from one equiped ring to totally naked) you gain weapon damage for skills again.

[gusty mirage]

[whole mason]

Then they reverted it, I think.

[whole mason]

The ring to rule them all!

[ebon notch]

is this confirmed?

cause having to unequip and re-equip is kinda important to actually get the bugged benefit no?

[whole mason]

undocumented bug and hotfix cannot be confirmed, I'm afraid

Now the ring itself increase weapon damage