assassination

[balmy condor]

That you have to sit and wait for

Everything else is fine

[ebon lichen]

Maybe that is what it is. Seems after i mut>snd>mut i have to wait to put garrote then wait longer to put rupture.

[balmy condor]

Yep

That’s the 50 energy

[ebon lichen]

Is there a soft cap for haste since that also increases energy regen? While im transitioning towards s4 gear i have more crit than haste (38% vs 30%), will upping that stat more help? Prioritizing by the stat weight outlined in the wowhead guide

[balmy condor]

You need an ungodly amount of haste in order to “fix” that problem

[ebon lichen]

Lol ok. I will try and get better at waiting. Thank you for your help.

[balmy condor]

You need to gain/lose about 15% haste to feel a difference

I blind tested a couple friends in person with different gear sets to prove that point a while ago

I had 0%, 15%, and 30% haste gear sets

Not a single one could tell between 0 and 15, or 15 and 30

It was always “well this is slower than 30” or “faster than 0”

[ebon lichen]

So the downtime is normal? In between a finisher and your next while vendetta/flag is on cd

[balmy condor]

Yes

Assassination is and always will be a slow spec

[ebon lichen]

Thats a mindset shift i have to make then. Im always spamming keys trying to go “faster”

[balmy condor]

Yeah that’s not gonna help you much :P

[drifting light]

Pepperidge farms remembers bfa haste expedients build

[balmy condor]

In german we say “die Ausnahme bestätiget die Regel”

Which means “the exception proves the rule”

:P

[drifting light]

Hehe

[outer cairn]

I actually think I've heard that before when I lived there

[celest ruin]

how tf do you kill hungering destroyer in a minute

[drifting cloud]

check its hp

[ebon notch]

there are bugged kills

where they were fixing the scaling

and its health dropped an insane amount while they were killing it

[celest ruin]

well rip my 100 parse then

[ebon notch]

wdym

[celest ruin]

😦

[ebon notch]

report the log

its on mythic right?

[celest ruin]

yep, is that the flag thing at the right? nothing happened when i clicked it

[leaden hornet]

at what point in rotation do you pop trinkets/externals

very beginning? before flag? before/after vendetta?

[woeful meteor]

Pot with Flag, Stat Trinkets with Vendetta if its last longer than 20 prob a bit before, instant dmg trinkets at max flag stacks.

[balmy condor]

With vendetta

[grizzled jay]

gm sinners

[viscid spear]

gm, but I'm ||playing Mage||

[grizzled jay]

think that means you can't have that emblem

[viscid spear]

Too late, I'm a contributor

[leaden hornet]

shiv affects envenom?

[balmy condor]

Yep

[leaden hornet]

How does envenom work refreshing it

5 cps is dmg over 6 secs

And the shiv interaction

I guess cast shiv first , and get as many envenom in. Or cash envenom first into a shiv

[gusty mirage]

envenom isn't a dot

the buff it provides just increases poison application chance

[leaden hornet]

hmm waht does it mean 3800 dmg, 6 secs for 5 cps

[marble hemlock]

that for 5 combo points it deals 3800 damage, and applies the buff (30% increased poison application chance) for 6 seconds

[grizzled jay]

@balmy condor Lethal Poisons vs. WPS vs. Poisoned Katar in M+? Your guide has LP + WPS, Bloodmallet has PK + WPS, but my initial is to think LP + PK.

[balmy condor]

Once you realize that none of it matters because it’s all +-0.00000005%, you will reach nirvana

[marble hemlock]

PK overrated as fuck

and only useful on aoe

which you suck at

therefore lp+wps is the only correct choice

[balmy condor]

Also true

LP+PK is Virgin aoe damage enjoyer

[fleet whale]

and somehow Poison Katar is a talent in DF but not echoing blades 😦

[vast loom]

i think PK with all the combo point generator

talents in the class tree

is a bit better

theres atleast a bit more synergy

[timid cloud]

PK doesn’t matter because even if you get 99% crit. You’ll still only get 1 CP for a fat Fan of Knives.

Exaggeration, & for legal purposes, this is a joke.

[balmy condor]

I don’t see how

Isn’t pk just crit chance

[fleet whale]

yeah, and it's a mere 5%

[balmy condor]

Isn’t that technically anti-synergy then

Cause as you get more crit, you’re devaluing other sources of crit

[timid cloud]

So it’s worthless!

[vast loom]

well its synergy with lethality ,maybe not as much as i think lol, isnt flat crit still strong? i think its 18% baseline with all the talents.

[fleet whale]

Also i figured out a compromise one could take with regards to CTTC in the SL tree
if someone really wants the QoL of CTTC, they could just take one point of it
one point of it is all you need really
and if you want the extra dps, don't take any points of it

this is for ST btw

[vast loom]

idk would 1 point even save you taht many casts of SND

idk how often we will be pressing envenom

[balmy condor]

Lethality sure

But I think lethality is a bit questionable

[vast loom]

what do you mean?

[fleet whale]

there can be those awkward moments when snd and rupture are both about to fall off

[balmy condor]

I don’t think it’s particularly good

[fleet whale]

Talent is named Poison Katar
Has nothing to do with poisons

And is it just me or does the dot that death mark applies seem kind of weak sauce

[balmy condor]

Deathmark isn’t working properly atm

[fleet whale]

Does it even have an animation

[balmy condor]

Yes

[oak sky]

Can you even go points in lethality in an m+ build 🤔

[balmy condor]

It’s hard

[oak sky]

Maybe you get like 1 point in it ig but i think theres better utility points though

[brazen zodiac]

i was not a believer

then i ran the sim

now i am sadly a believer

[balmy condor]

It’s almost like we sim these things beforehand and put them in the pins for a reason

[viscid spear]

Unpossible, we just wing it

[brazen zodiac]

silly u thinking i read ur pins u work hard on

(i totally do ty pin maker people)

sometimes u just gotta sim it urself to truly believe whisp

[balmy condor]

I feel it

Definitely been there before

[brazen zodiac]

plus i always liked unity on legs vs tier pants so i rly didnt wanna beleive

[balmy condor]

Yeh

Turns out stats just kinda don’t matter that much tbh

[brazen zodiac]

hm

is it cause the sets just that good or the tier set helps or

the ring set i mean

[balmy condor]

The ring set is huge yeh

They have the same stat budget as normal rings

But then just a bonus 100 haste on top

[brazen zodiac]

crazy stuff

ran some sims, think i did it properly, set seemed to be like 300-400 dps +/-

sounds reasonable?

[balmy condor]

Generally for sin it’s always been more stats > better stats

[balmy condor]

Yeah

[brazen zodiac]

epic

feels like rings this xpac have been kinda set in place lol

u got the set or u not playin this season?

[balmy condor]

I’m not playing this season

[brazen zodiac]

gotcha

[vestal wren]

wait, and i thought you had the superpower to look into the future

[brazen zodiac]

never played the other dungeons b4 so i was pretty hyped to try them out

then i got into lower kaz

sigh

[balmy condor]

Yeah sadly not

[vestal wren]

tbh, i wouldn't be surprised if lower would get some tuning

[brazen zodiac]

kaz dungeons itself seem super cool and the bosses are pretty fun for what they are but yeah

[balmy condor]

If I could look into the future I could answer people when they ask “is sin good in dragonflight”

[brazen zodiac]

them shits kinda hit hard idk

oh whisp if only you could look into the future and answer the million questions of which talents to take next xpac

complete nirvana

[balmy condor]

I’m actually sitting in my room doing the doctor strange thing where he calculates all the possible realities

[vestal wren]

you take exsanguinate obviously

[brazen zodiac]

bouta get exsang tattooed tbh

real exsang user now

[balmy condor]

No regrats

[brazen zodiac]

lmao

ill get this one ez

[gusty mirage]

no ragerts

[brazen zodiac]

is that oxi, owner of the set of mecharings

get out the red carpet

[balmy condor]

Me when you ask me for currency to fix your poe build after minalba bricks it for the 7th time

[brazen zodiac]

wait u told me u didnt get it i forgot flmaooo

[vestal wren]

you would be surprised how old this emote is

[brazen zodiac]

how old? :o

i actually dont knowhow long the discords been around for, im guessin since discord was in beta?

[vestal wren]

i think it dates back to legion

[brazen zodiac]

legion was what, the 4th expac?

one sec ima google

[balmy condor]

oh no

[vestal wren]

legion was like 4-5 years ago

[gusty mirage]

when have I asked you for currency?

[brazen zodiac]

ah yeah

[gusty mirage]

you're mistaking me with mr. snow

[balmy condor]

Never but the joke doesn’t work otherwise

[gusty mirage]

wait

I can fix it

[gusty mirage]

@lucid birch

[brazen zodiac]

imagine bricking ur whole build

[gusty mirage]

[brazen zodiac]

not me double corrupting my mageblood

and it vanishing before my eyes

or me putting 4 dcotor cards into the wrong harvest craft

[balmy condor]

I’m a firm believer in the concept that if you have the ability to double corrupt a mageblood you have already finished the league

[brazen zodiac]

i dropped it too

from meta lol

actually found a strat with metamorph and vaal temple farming

got 2 HH and 2 mbs over the league

[lucid birch]

Hehe

[brazen zodiac]

but the new balance changes might make that strat impossible again lul

[wispy chasm]

Can you get sylv daggers rn?

I just saw some dude who has 2 of them and I thought we couldnt get them till next week

[vestal wren]

you can run the old raid and get sylvanas dagger

on the old item levels

[wispy chasm]

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/whisperwind/Tylerr

nah

new levels

[vestal wren]

if somone has 285 or higher

he did some exploits

[wispy chasm]

gotcha, thats what I figured

[swift moss]

for some reason his quest kept counting bosses so he just kept reseting instance

[vestal wren]

the one with two of them did find a bug that allowed him to turn in the quest

iirc by doing lfr, but thats fixed to my knowlage

also, i wouldn't suggest anyone to do exploits if they care about their account

[swift moss]

^

[night delta]

and on the other end of the spectrum, there's me, having done the raid in full both in LFR and NM and somehow still having 9/30

[vestal wren]

sounds like a bug

[viscid spear]

Can only get one per boss regardless of difficulty, did you not kill something?

[vestal wren]

if you cleared normal and did not get kill credit, it seems weird

would contact customer support in that case

[night delta]

Yeah I'll submit a ticket tomorrow

[ebon notch]

it is a bug

i cleared fully on heroic first

got 9/10

cleared 7 mythic and then it got pushed up to 10

[sick aspen]

when SoD rolls around next week is there some sort of tier/dom shard combination we'll be using?

[brazen zodiac]

i wonder if blizzard will just delete their accounts or remove the items from their character lol

[zinc frost]

Dom shards disabled this season, so it’s just tier sets

[brazen zodiac]

really?

[sick aspen]

Ah thank you 🙂

[brazen zodiac]

@zinc frost ur so cool

[sand canyon]

@vestal wren are u living old friend

[soft shale]

he went to sleep i think

[echo geyser]

[spark scaffold]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[balmy condor]

Rare musclebrah sighting in the wild

[somber fractal]

anyone know how much haste the mechagon rings give at 288 ilvl?

[oak sky]

Hes so ready for exsang to happen

[novel arrow]

does shorting bit band have any value? The nature damage to nearby enemy mechagon ring

[gusty mirage]

pretty dece in aoe

but not as good as the haste one in st

[novel arrow]

Do we know if it can hit single target?

or does it only damage another target?

[gusty mirage]

it can hit st

[balmy condor]

it's just worse than overclocking in every way

[gusty mirage]

it's like blade flurry

where it determines "nearby" based on you

not what you're targeting

[novel arrow]

What about healing 5 nearby allys? For the sweet sweet Rank 1 healing parse.

😄

I'm farming and this ring wont drop. I'm going stir crazy. Hope u guys are having better luck 🙂

[gusty mirage]

I have the shorting and the overclock

13 junkyards haven't even seen the if ring drop

[novel arrow]

how do you feel about the "3 different abilities on the same target" ring

functionally the same right?

[gusty mirage]

it's fine, but not as good as the attack from behind one

[timid cloud]

Saw the Ring drop, goes to healer.

[brazen zodiac]

19 before i saw mine

its cos all over agiain

[elfin valley]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[vestal wren]

hey, how are things?

[strange python]

does vendetta not exist in dragonflight?

[sand canyon]

Amazing bro had a monk holidays wna play a bit more the oh class again. Seems like law is the way to go again. Man I wish assa would be really good once again kinda lacking insta dps. Was it bfa where ct was super competitive that was fun

[sand canyon]

Played it last week I think there is a new ability forgot the name which replaces it pmuch

[strange python]

deathmark?

[sand canyon]

Deathmark yes !

Double blood and poison uptime

[balmy condor]

Kingsbane and sepsis as a combination might be pretty big

[vestal wren]

yes, its outlaw season. Subtlety could work well too in the "big pull dungeons".
Assassination sadly is not that good in m+ right now.

The DF talent tree brings some nice new tools tho, so excited to see and test how things play out

[limber obsidian]

Is deathmark a separate bleed as well as duplicating poisons and rupture/garotte?

The DF tree looks like so many potential builds. I think it looks so good

[balmy condor]

Yes

It adds a 20 second bleed and duplicates on top

The 20 second bleed doesn’t seem that impressive damage wise currently, but if it interacts with venomous wounds and lethal dose and all that, probably fine

[limber obsidian]

Siiick. So good. I originally found a build and I was like yep that looks good. Now I've had another play and build it and it ends up being able (afaik) having a potential 14bleeds and poisons on 1 target?!? 28% increase to bleeds and poisons during a deathmark window is mad.

https://www.wowhead.com/beta/talent-calc/rogue/assassination/BOFVUBBARGghFzJEANVaoFRVAgRCEwQBQ
Is that how you would see that build?

[balmy condor]

I only count 11

But yeah

In theory it’s possible

2 poisons, garrote, rupture is 4, Deathmark duplicates to 8, then CT and SbS is 10, doomblade if it works is 11. I guess Deathmark could be 12 if it works off itself but I’m not sure if doomblade and Deathmark count yet. Depends on implementation i guess

[limber obsidian]

It is 11 you're right.

Regardless. Looks pretty rad. Love it. Thanks for the response

[balmy condor]

I agree it’s looking pretty good

[oak sky]

oh is it 20s now wasnt it 14 before

[balmy condor]

oh you're right it's 15

kingsbane is 14

still got vendetta on the brain

[oak sky]

always here to keep you on your toes

[languid plinth]

does the wrist from mechagon get buffed by shiv

[balmy condor]

no

only rogue abilities

[languid plinth]

sad but glad i dont have to farm it then lol

[strange python]

Whispyr

Are you still in eu

[balmy condor]

I am

it's 10am

[ashen breach]

What makes Assa so inferior to sub and outlaw in keys? I kinda get it with outlaw but not as much with sub with the lower target count in the new dungeons. Granted i've only been doing 15-17 keys so far to gear up but got curious of the scaling parameter of the specs in keys with reading the guides and comments 🙂

[balmy condor]

sin has terriblee aoe

and it's equal or worse in single target

all the cooldowns are single target as well and force you off of multi-dotting

so realistically assassination can do single target and two target cleave fairly well

[ashen breach]

I thought assa was doing pretty good in raid/ST or is that just people cheesing and because of fated affixes?

[balmy condor]

outlaw and sub were bugged for the first day

but sin also has the highest burst which compliments the fated buffs nicely

on paper, sin is the worst single target rogue spec

[vestal wren]

assassination has the advantage too that eon isn't relevant now

[balmy condor]

not by much granted

but it doesn't shine in single target

[toxic ocean]

i think necro assa feels pretty good in keys, not as good as outlaw but it works

[balmy condor]

it's just burst and two target

[vestal wren]

sub/sin are pmuch on par on single target in sims

with sin having better burst and cleave

so i would argue sin is for raiding probably better

from those two

[balmy condor]

yeah the dd nerf hurt a bit

but the original question was keys

and in keys it just can't compete much, the moment you have more adds, sub wins, the moment you have less adds, outlaw wins

[vestal wren]

you need quite some adds for sub to win

outlaw is quite good even on 5-6 target pulls

[ashen breach]

Yea been trying it out and think it is a fun playstyle so wanted to learn more about it!

and thanks for the answers!

[vestal wren]

thats also why it is overall probably ahead in m+ and likely will be the default choice for most dungeons

[ashen breach]

Outlaw?

[vestal wren]

yes

assassination just does not translate that well into more targets

what is its biggest issue atm

as whisp mentioned, the tier set is mostly single target oriented, so does not help much

[ashen breach]

And i guess a single target/prio target guy is not that valuable in m+ as assa since sub does it as well and can do better aoe

[balmy condor]

im not quite sure what you're using to evaluate that, sub is almost 20% ahead of sin on short 4 target

the moment you get past 3 targets on sin it falls off a cliff

theres barely any gain at all going from 4 targets to 5

[vestal wren]

absolutely

but i was comparing all 3, and outlaw does beat both sin/sub noticable

and does not fall off before 5 or 6 targets, when subtlety benefits more from spamming BP for overall

[balmy condor]

oh, yeah

when compared to outlaw

I thought you were comparing it to sin

[vestal wren]

sry, i wasn't clear enough

[balmy condor]

and it doesn't take long at all for sub to beat sin :P

all good

[vestal wren]

ideally sin would win out on 1-3 more noticable

would create a better dynamic

[balmy condor]

sub should be the burst spec

I hate all the generator buffing crap for sub

[vestal wren]

its rly a bit extreme tho
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3WSFuZwF31jBTjJG7vvDm4

3 targets

vs. 4
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iPHuzJSA5PAkxULzVLs5F3

(2 min sim duration)

[balmy condor]

yeah

assassination just has nothing past 3 target

you start to cap out on multi-dots

and then it's just CT damage and hoping for fok crits

[vestal wren]

dragonflight looks like sub also will opt to multi dot

^^

[balmy condor]

dark timelines

[vestal wren]

dark brew timelines

[balmy condor]

replicating shadows should just be nightblade, but instead of all damage, make it just evisc damage

that is my take and I will die on the hill

[vestal wren]

you mean like Nights Vengence?

or you mean convert rupture back to nightblade

[balmy condor]

nah, I mean like make it increase evisc damage against that target by x%

[vestal wren]

oh, i think i understand

evis has a surprisingly low amount of nodes that work on it

[balmy condor]

I also had an idea at some point to have something like a scaling finality/flag/rupture thing but it was very early in the morning and I gave up on it

while rupture is on the target, your next evisc deals increased damage, until you recast rupture

[vestal wren]

thats NV

[balmy condor]

yeah basically NV

but it scales infinitely

[vestal wren]

was mentioned to realz iirc

but he didn't seem to pick it up

[balmy condor]

so if you can rupture for 20 seconds

and get 10 eviscerates in

that last evisc is crazy buffed

like it's not just the next eviscerate

[vestal wren]

ramping up def. sounds good, but maybe would become a bit crazy

[balmy condor]

yeah it would be very hard to balance

[wild horizon]

Hi, how do you play on cleave ? Maintain dots on both targets outside of vendetta and focus one during vendetta ? I imagine it's very hard to keep all dots up on both targets during ?

[balmy condor]

you focus the vendetta target

and multi dot when possible

[wild horizon]

Cool ty

[ornate jetty]

does this bleed also work on 4-pc set?

[balmy condor]

no

[ornate jetty]

ayt ayt

[balmy condor]

trinkets have no interaction with spec mechanics

[subtle tundra]

Well... Deeper daggers worked for basically the whole expansion

[balmy condor]

that's a big exception

[vestal wren]

bleeds in any spec specific design will always refer to those the spec can apply (baseline, not from a item)

also the things that work with e.g. trinkets are usually borrowed power systems like conduits

[oak sky]

i thought the rupture thing for sub would be cool in cleave but when you guys talked about it maybe being good for aoe it sounds less cool, even though sub aoe is boring it works

[vestal wren]

replicating will auto apply bleeds, so you will probably rupture less than on assassination

[oak sky]

that isnt so bad

I did like the idea of that talent

[kindred crescent]

which infiltrator stat should we be taking?

[vestal wren]

crit

but #assassination-faq goes over the choices in the s4 post

[viscid spear]

Do you get to pick your own buff or is it for the whole group?

[vestal wren]

you pick your own

there is a npc when you start the key, just need to talk to him and select the one you want

[viscid spear]

I just assumed one person chose for the group

[sour citrus]

I assumed that too 😂

[viscid spear]

I could've been doing so much better if I knew

[subtle tundra]

🤨 i thought it was obvious

[viscid spear]

It's been a long month

[subtle tundra]

is ok

[viscid spear]

Now I have to ask the Mage Discord which buff is best

[oak sky]

think it default gives you vers

[subtle tundra]

if in doubt, get haste

[ebon notch]

it does

[proper owl]

new to the discord - is there anywhere I can read up on early opinions of viability of assassination in dragonflight?

for M+ specifically

[balmy condor]

Really depends on tuning and meta

Carnage is a welcome addition and sin is getting some tools to help its aoe

But outlaw/sub also get stuff obviously

If sin ends up crushingly strong and the aoe can keep up, it’s good

If it’s not, it’s not

[proper owl]

yeah that was my concern, AOE specifically. Single target in the alpha feels insanely good, just worried it won't hold up in M+

i'm not good enough at aoe in SL to test it effectively in the Alpha, was wondering if anyone else has and had notes

[balmy condor]

Would help if the talents were implemented properly for that

[proper owl]

holy crap i didn't even think about that 😦

[balmy condor]

I’ll update the spreadsheet in the pins eventually

[proper owl]

okay thanks, i'll keep an eye out

[balmy condor]

Just a lot of question marks still

The tuning is also fucked atm

Fok was like 25%+ of my damage in dungeons last week

Pretty gross

[proper owl]

i'm a lock main right now but i'm wanting a backup in case the lock tree is unfunished/trash. So far sin is the most fun questing / single target even with it half implemented, so I was hoping it'd have more viability in M+

[balmy condor]

Yeah we’ve seen a fair amount of people in your shoes

Swapping to rogue for the banger trees

Really wish I could help more than “wait 2-3 months and see what happens”

[proper owl]

lolol all good

[viscid spear]

I'm just maining Mage for s4 just to do something different
Will go back Rogue on DF

[subtle tundra]

traitor

come, let me hit you. bet you are a dreadlord

give me that 2% crit.

[viscid spear]

[lament burrow]

Hello, sorry if that question has been already answered, I scrolled up this discussion a bit and saw nothing about it. I'm still a WoW beginner, currently 250 ilvl and I only know how to play the assassin spec, never played the 2 others. The problem is that my friends are mainly, if not only, doing M+ in which I have a lot of pain. I'm trying to garrot the maximum of mobs in packs, applying rupture to each and build up combo points to speed with crimson tempest but I'm always low in dps, sometimes even behind the tank. Is there a specific way to play in M+ with the spec (I saw some sin doing 20+) or should I go with one of the two other spec ? (if that so, which one is the easiest ?). Thanks for the reading and potential answers !

However, in raid, my dps is sky rocketing

[balmy condor]

there was a similar discussion earlier today here #assassination message

but the TLDR is that sin aoe is dogshit

and anything more than 3 target is just bad

[lament burrow]

My bad, I skipped that one

thanks

[balmy condor]

all good

usually people don't even bother looking at previous conversations :P

[lament burrow]

I should take a look at outlaw and sub I guess, thanks for the quick answer

[strange python]

assassination looks promising

in Dragonflight

[pulsar apex]

ello. stupid question of the day. is Vigor any more forgiving than Deeper Strat?

my sim is coming up -100 dps for Vig vs DS. But Vig "feels" more fun/forgiving for me (a new rogue)

i dont know if that "feeling" is placebo

Night Faebtw

[proper owl]

it's sooo bursty and strong right now

[balmy condor]

it basically only affects you in opener

[strange python]

it looks great

i really want to play it

i like DoT based combat

[proper owl]

most fun spec of any i've tested so far

curious if the having 4 poisons talent will be viable

[limber obsidian]

Depending on how everything is tuned it honestly looks like there is so many builds available that would work and play so well.

Can't wait to see DF and see if it ends up being like huge different builds instead of the usual 1 build to rule them all

I've been playing necro sin in m+ (low keys only just come back to the game and hit 60 like 8 days ago.) And been managing to hit like 14k dps in some of the tazavesh packs. Is outlaw really that consistenyly more powerful in aoe? Would it be sensible to just farm up and switch over to it for m+ even though I kinda really love the necroass rogue play style. Like am I just hamstringing myself staying assass?

[gusty mirage]

Yes it is just that much better and easier. Your AoE is pressing one button (blade flurry) vs swapping and spreading ruptures to 50 adds

In regard to hamstringing yourself? It depends, if you're enjoying yourself, continue playing assassination

and it also depends what your goals are for m+

if it's just grinding out 15s-20s, you can stick to assassination and be just fine

[vast loom]

Yeah especially if you know a decent lock or surv you will have plenty of dmg in aoe packs

[strange python]

?

Why decent lock or surv?

what's that gotta do with rogues?

(i ask cause i main lock but probably switching to assassination)

[balmy condor]

lock and survival do crazy aoe so you don't have to

[brazen zodiac]

just pump dat one fat mob instead ezpz

[subtle tundra]

what i noticed in pugs is that the shrouded mob heals a lot

so always vendetta that guy

the small ones, the big one is obvious

i almost did 7 million damage to the small ones in a 23 streets

(on outlaw, but my point stands)

[brazen zodiac]

shrouded mob? the affix?

[subtle tundra]

yes

[brazen zodiac]

hm

i flag that cuz ive been spamming twos but the point stands if flagging on a 2? lul

im sure above 14 ur vendettaing that lul

[subtle tundra]

in a 2 you can go afk and let the other 4 people do the dungeon

lol

[brazen zodiac]

not when theyre doing

3k overall

ruff times out here my brother in sin

[subtle tundra]

i mean... im talking about real content xd

[brazen zodiac]

yeah xd

hey spamming 2s for rings is real content cmmon

[subtle tundra]

in the 23s it was healing for 200k

every like 10-15 seconds?

[brazen zodiac]

appeal the commoners

[subtle tundra]

not sure how often he casts it

[brazen zodiac]

oh thats fantastic

epic affix

[subtle tundra]

so if you dont focus it, it will always be the last mob standing

[brazen zodiac]

who was it that said its so time consuming the affix

good take

hm

good advice

[subtle tundra]

it is if you're not coordonated, and grievous wounds also reduce its healing

so if the hunter is smart he plays with correct pet

or the ww does some rising kicks on it

[brazen zodiac]

we have an anti heal poison too dont we

but it isnt as impactful im guessing?

or its pvp only idk

[subtle tundra]

yea... but no...

[brazen zodiac]

yeah....

[subtle tundra]

its big dps loss for assa

[brazen zodiac]

oh right cause its a lethal

gotcha

[subtle tundra]

on outlaw/sub its less of a dps loss

but it also not as big reduction

[brazen zodiac]

hm

[subtle tundra]

its 24% only

[proud pulsar]

is going for legy on chest for mechagon rings and losing out on 20ilvl on chest really worth?

[brazen zodiac]

lose damage kinda based

[subtle tundra]

yes!

[brazen zodiac]

eyeah that ring set giga worth

seems like 300-400 dps, around there

varas u try sin yet in a 20+? :o

[proud pulsar]

87 haste that much? or how much is it on max ilvl

[brazen zodiac]

its 104 i think

[proud pulsar]

oh

[brazen zodiac]

at 288 i think

not quite sure havent been on last night

[subtle tundra]

2 rings dropped in a junkyard earlier...

[proud pulsar]

my droptimizer on 291 shows 87

[subtle tundra]

1 insta traded to premade, another couldnt trade

😦

[brazen zodiac]

eye trinket dropped onhealer last night, couldnt trade

[brazen zodiac]

i might be mixing it up with soleahs then mb

[proud pulsar]

i only get the ones in junkyard that proc on activating an ability sub 50% or healing

[subtle tundra]

how good is the eye trinket on ST?

cause in m+ youll never use

on any spec

[brazen zodiac]

im not sure but it just sims for me as 300+ in st

[subtle tundra]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[subtle tundra]

check time

[brazen zodiac]

over my shitty aoe decant wings

or that aoe trinket i forgot what it was called

[subtle tundra]

i think its the best non-use trinket

for pure ST

[brazen zodiac]

it sims +200 something in sims of m+ too so

[subtle tundra]

its bad in m+

[brazen zodiac]

i just got a shitty trinket rn is all so

ye

but i do want it for st

[proud pulsar]

sitll running 265 cache and 272 phial

m+ trinkets all kinda meh except moroes

and eye but that is weird to play in m+ if you dont wanna mouseover interrupt and stun

[brazen zodiac]

its 104

checked the buff

[prime monolith]

main stats for assa?

[proud pulsar]

oh u already have it?

[balmy condor]

Crit haste

Crit mastery is good in m+ for aoe

[prime monolith]

what do poisons scale off from?

[brazen zodiac]

yeah

[prime monolith]

I remember it used to scale on mastery the assa rogue for poisons?

[balmy condor]

Yep

Still does

[proud pulsar]

gotta grind some more still

[brazen zodiac]

still doe

whisp! pog!

[prime monolith]

but it's not the focus anymore?

[balmy condor]

Bleeds and poisons

[brazen zodiac]

yeah, i'd spam twos. takes about 11-14 minutes per key.

im gonna keep spamming them cause i want tet stats and sockets

seems to be dropping like candy in these dungoens

[night delta]

Off of everything really. Mastery increased dmg, crit makes more ticks do crit damage, haste makes more ticks per second, vers increases all damage, so poisons included

[prime monolith]

so for pvp and bg it's still crit and haste what I need?

[night delta]

I think mastery is the one stat which scales them the most per point

Though not sure

If you need advice for pvp you'll find it in #pvp

[proud pulsar]

the rings? i kept spamming 10-14s they were done in 18-22 mins each i wanted to save some valor but by the time i get the rings i prolly have 10k valor anyways

[brazen zodiac]

yeah im up to like 16k already

dont really matter

[proud pulsar]

also i think the sims dont really take the proc into consideration

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/54m4U7bfrLCypQFM5RdX2f 9 dps for the ring set seems kinda off

[balmy condor]

#pvp

[brazen zodiac]

im not really sure how that all works, fuu posted something and i used it to get an accurate read

a simc

[balmy condor]

This looks really weird

[proud pulsar]

yeah saw his sims and the rings were in there but i was wondering since my sims showed something really different if 20ilvl on chest wouldnt outdo the rings

[balmy condor]

Let me look real quick

[proud pulsar]

ah well thats still as outlaw but still, cant sim assa since i currently only have 1 dagger 😄

[brazen zodiac]

just run 1 workshop with me i seem to drop one every other run lmfao

apex one so common zzz

[balmy condor]

Yeah looks like it’s working fine

The proc at least

It just isn’t that big for that particular set of gear

[proud pulsar]

so it's just bad on my current gear

maybe the nature proc does better on outlaw

[balmy condor]

Yeah

[gusty mirage]

well you also have the 3 abilities if

which is worse than the attack from behind one

[brazen zodiac]

lol

hi oxi

[balmy condor]

Yeah but not by much

[proud pulsar]

i mean you always hit 3 abilities in 15s

[balmy condor]

It definitely doesn’t help though

[proud pulsar]

pistol shot ss dispatch, as this is my outlaw sim

[balmy condor]

There’s an ICD though

[proud pulsar]

ima try with th eother one

[gusty mirage]

yeah it's not an insane dif but the attack from behind is a little better

[proud pulsar]

well that sims 53dps higher

[balmy condor]

Pog crazy

[brazen zodiac]

big gains

[balmy condor]

42 dps

[brazen zodiac]

look out, hes coming for our parses

[proud pulsar]

my logs are shit

xD

[night delta]

Huh

Does halondrus even have a back ?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[brazen zodiac]

lol

[night delta]

Or is it ALL back

[proud pulsar]

no so every position is considered from behind

[balmy condor]

He has a back

[proud pulsar]

is it dependant to where he is spun? i thought its just all back

sinc ehe doesnt really move

[balmy condor]

He’s always facing the next room

[proud pulsar]

so entry is always his back?

even if tanks stand there

[balmy condor]

Yes

[gusty mirage]

no if ring

[brazen zodiac]

[night delta]

I guess the backstab ring is better simply because it takes less time to proc initially. I don't see a fight were we can't hit back for 15s, or where we don't hit 3 different abilities in 15s.

There are a few where we move out for more than 15s but they are far inbetween

[fair sky]

Might be a stupid question, but does Exsanguinate cunrrently affect serrated bone spikes bleed?

[night delta]

Nope

[fair sky]

Guess 100% more ticks would be a bit broken :p

[night delta]

Did during 9.0 ptr, easily exploitable and crashed servers

[fair sky]

Lmao

[night delta]

It was stackable

[brazen zodiac]

lol

[night delta]

So 2x speed, then 4x speed, etc

Promptly fixed

[balmy condor]

Using 3 abilities after a 15 second cooldown is always slower than hitting once from behind after a 15 second cooldown

[subtle tundra]

eye is dogshit cause you get so much crit from bounties

[proud pulsar]

true but simming in general

for raid it's fine

til we get the trinkets from raid

[night delta]

I thought the internal cooldown was shorter, no ?

Or is it the activator rings only ?

[vestal wren]

^ the haste lasts 15 secs

[night delta]

I mean buff duration =/= internal cooldown

I thought it could re-proc during

[balmy condor]

No

You have to wait the 15 seconds before starting the cycle anew

So 15 seconds, then 3 abilities

[night delta]

Alright, now I understand

[balmy condor]

It’s not like major major but you miss out on 2-3 procs over the fight which makes it that 40-50ish dps worse

But then again if you can’t find the back of a target either, you’re also missing out a proc or two

:P

[night delta]

Yeah, if any of those two activator rings drop it's fine

[balmy condor]

Sims just are always behind

So the difference between the two is the biggest in sims

[night delta]

I won't power farm one after getting the other

[balmy condor]

In reality maybe a little lower

[obtuse robin]

a hunter friend told me thery can proc the behind stuff with their dots, i assume it doesnt work like that with us

[balmy condor]

It does

Had to double check

Actually huge

[obtuse robin]

does instant poison proc it

[balmy condor]

Rupture/garrote

[obtuse robin]

actual skills yea

[dawn merlin]

Wait, bleeds insta proc it even if you are in front?

[balmy condor]

Yes

Unless that’s changed

[dawn merlin]

Sweet

[keen tree]

I took your advice and didn't go there.

[limber lion]

Fuck me I need so much valor to upgrade my gear

[balmy condor]

You could’ve just left it after the second word

[empty hinge]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[limber lion]

You're hot

[subtle tundra]

now have intercourse

[balmy condor]

[brazen zodiac]

how much valor we talkin

[balmy condor]

Thousands

But less than millions

[soft shale]

yea only people i know fully decked out spammed +4

to upgrade

[vestal wren]

you could probably create a valor farm group

also we are stuck in aa ring farm soon

[soft shale]

true it is also sanctum week

so it will be interesting

[vestal wren]

tw is in the sepulcha week iirc

[balmy condor]

Why farm auto ring if it’s worse

[soft shale]

for outlaw i guess

[vestal wren]

ring set is at least on outlaw only better on high item levels

so aa ring with max upgrade is easier to get than 2x 304 rings

(haste is better on assassination tho, so probably not that close)

[tired swallow]

so farm the rings or not?

[balmy condor]

Farm mecha rings

Ignore auto ring from legion

It’s worse

[vestal wren]

it depends

for assassination or subtlety, you don't rly need to

for outlaw it is a good consideration

[gusty mirage]

[limber lion]

no more ring farming for me :-)

[gusty mirage]

[vestal wren]

nice

[balmy condor]

Freedom

[ebon notch]

gotta loot it for me now

:)

[limber lion]

Soon (tm)

[foggy socket]

just to confirm that i am not an idiot. its one cartel dinar every 3 week ye?

[umbral rapids]

No it’s 30 boss kills then 15 then 5

[limber lion]

No, the requirement lowers by 10 each week

[umbral rapids]

Nah it’s 15 then 5

[limber lion]

Oh, I thought it was 30/20/10

[umbral rapids]

Thery changed that

[foggy socket]

let me reword that. 10 a week is the max progress right? lol

[limber lion]

fair enough

Yes

[foggy socket]

ok thanks ya

[umbral rapids]

Well, i guess 11 in sofo ?

But yeah

[limber lion]

true

doesn't change much

[umbral rapids]

Doesn’t matter anyway

Ye

[foggy socket]

lol

[restive falcon]

if you run scars/sigil i assume you still use sigil on pull and just rip scars on cd?

[limber lion]

It's a bit fight specific, but yeah something like that

On Artificer for example it's better to use Scars on pull and hold cds for the massive damage amp

and then send sigil with the damage amp/cds

[restive falcon]

just like st fights, i tried as assass/outlaw for arty and outlaw felt better

[limber lion]

Just play whatever feels better to you

They all perform kinda similarly

[restive falcon]

i main assass in raid but starting to play outlaw in some cleave but still want assass to be main so idk if u sigil first with venda still or scars

[leaden hornet]

https://www.icy-veins.com/forums/topic/67365-first-look-at-mythic-tier-list-in-shadowlands-season-4/

F tier for both subtley and sin

[balmy condor]

Subtlety Rogue (99.34), Unholy Death Knight (98.20), Assassination Rogue (0.00)

Perfect score boys

Golf rules

[gusty mirage]

WOW TIER LISTS

I LOVE EM

can't wait for limit max's

[soft shale]

oh it is that time of the year again

time for the secret korayn sin build to dominate M+(dont try it pls)

[timid cloud]

[gusty mirage]

@limber lion damn who's this cutie

[wicked valve]

Is there an automatic best bounty pick for shrouded? Or does it all depend on your stat weight sims?

[limber lion]

:O

[limber lion]

You always go crit.

Crit everywhere else but Junkyard, there you go haste.

[wicked valve]

Copy that, thank you very much!

[charred mango]

aside from the assa faq is there any good up to date guide out there for assas?

[balmy condor]

wowhead

[gusty mirage]

reporting you for self promo

[balmy condor]

I mean it's not like anything changed

farm mecha rings, buy edge of night

[ebon notch]

@limber lion

[balmy condor]

and everything else is just "do what you did the last 5 months"

[gusty mirage]

stop tagging my boyfriend

ty

[ebon notch]

hes in MY group

what you gonna do about it??

[limber lion]

wtf

I just tried this and it didn't work @balmy condor

Is there something that I'm missing?

[gusty mirage]

remind you that he's mine

and you'lla lways be on the outside looking in

[balmy condor]

[ebon notch]

smh

[balmy condor]

I looked at old chat logs and it definitely worked like that

[limber lion]

I was attacking a dummy from the front, applying garrote, rupture and using muti/env

didn't proc it once

[balmy condor]

[winter vapor]

is simming 2 target patchwork a good way to check rotation for necro opening etc?

[balmy condor]

if you're fighting 2 targets I guess yeah

[winter vapor]

yeah checking it for SLG

[soft shale]

slg is kinda diff if you can still use spike and get a dot on both at the beginning before the other jumps up

[winter vapor]

oh, neat didnt think of that

[vast loom]

can you sbs the flying shit too

for big CP

[winter vapor]

would Marileth or Heirmir be the play generally there? I thought heirmir but most people logging venth so

[dawn kelp]

whatre the BiS mechagon rings?

[balmy condor]

lets check the faq....

[dawn kelp]

oh my bad please forgive me for my sin

[vast loom]

just delete your question 🙂 no one will know

[dawn kelp]

no i gotta take it to the chest

[carmine osprey]

I mean this is the right chat for Sins

[clever pendant]

Anyone use a macro to use Ambush instead of mutilate when you have a blindside proc? Or is there a reason you would want to use mutilate even when you have a blindside proc?

[balmy condor]

!mut

[prisma monolith]

Ambush is currently only used with non-venthyr builds using subterfuge
The reasoning is a little complicated, but the most important of them is the difference in combo points on crit (up to 4 vs 3) and it's interaction with Flagellation.
You also have to consider the additional poison application chances. Ambush is not considerably worse or better in any situation, so you aren't losing out on much if you don't use it.

[balmy condor]

wait

wrong one

!bs

[prisma monolith]

Macroing Ambush to Mutilate only works with the use of a addon.
It comes with the downside that it often requires multiple key presss.
Suggested addon to use(Gnome Sequencer):http://tiny.cc/mxb6tz
Showcase Video: #assassination message

[balmy condor]

macroing it is super janky

but also blindside kinda sucks atm

like a lot

[clever pendant]

I see, I see. I figured you could have a simple macro with Ambush cast first with mutilate below it. Since you wouldn't be in stealth, it would only work if you get the proc. I am not in-game, just thinking.

Thanks for the info!

[balmy condor]

yeah this would fail to cast ambush and then do nothing

[leaden hornet]

How do you get this view again? Is this dbm?

[ebon notch]

The interrupts?

[leaden hornet]

Yea

I always hide it with my priest now I have this Rouge alt lol

[ebon notch]

It's an add-on called OmniCD

[leaden hornet]

K thmx

[grizzled jay]

WoW doesn't allow if, then macros because that would allow automation. So you cannot have a macro that has two abilities and have it cast the 2nd "if" the first one is not castable. The most you can do is a castsequence but that would also be horrendous and not work well with Blindside at all.

[distant mesa]

FAQ shows this trinket is good. replace the tire I'm guessing?

[gusty mirage]

yes

throw the tire in the garbagio

[distant mesa]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/aEaRRfLF34RVfXxCk1uh8U what the hell.. anima trinket prolly cause Ilvl?

[kind talon]

The tire isn’t terrible tho :(

I like my tire

It was my consolation prize instead of a ring for doing 22 junkyards

[spice spire]

That’s a slap in the face if I’ve ever seen one

[distant mesa]

fucking thing is critting for 55k right nwo...

[kind talon]

It’s definitely a decent trinket for dungeons

But I play outlaw and it benefits from bte

😈

[gusty mirage]

lmao that thing is trash

stop it

[brazen zodiac]

lol

[distant mesa]

sadly better than my haste boost

😦

[fleet whale]

Man I remember that tire in BFA being god tier in pvp

I miss wonky BFA trinkets in pvp

[distant mesa]

Heirmirs crit amp applies to that tire

[grizzled jay]

man i missed NF

glad i went back

[brazen zodiac]

me too

[strange python]

P tiring having priests only PI 8k damage warlocks

In every key

[burnt latch]

Gm kings @oak sky @gusty mirage @bleak sky @spice spire @subtle tundra @ebon notch @limber lion

[oak sky]

gm @burnt latch

[limber lion]

Morning

[steel ridge]

The tire is freaking nuts man

I love that thing

[kind talon]

[kind talon]

Ok

[loud brook]

been doing keys all week to shake off my old sanctum gear on my sin rogue and I feel like an utter dummy in m+. Only time I feel like I'm doing it right is when we're at a boss

if anyone would like. I'd be happy to take any and all criticism https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/w8SY1PUxW25GVqUuk6QYRV

[limber lion]

So you should be playing MFD as well as Venthyr, there's really no exceptions there.

[balmy condor]

I would never play deeper and venthyr, the electro wrists aren't great, need a mainhand, upgrade your unity man really should just catalyst your 4 piece, not playing with 4 piece is terrible, especially since duskwalkers is not a legendary until you get 4 piece. You also have an insane amount of haste for m+, like actaully disgusting amounts, needs more crit and mastery

[limber lion]

Also your sim doesn't really tell us much. You just need to grind more gear, that's about it.

[balmy condor]

^

[loud brook]

these are all fair. I will do all of these suggestions, as for the unity thing I'm working on it, but I need revered and im only 6k rep away D :

[subtle tundra]

Hola

[loud brook]

I blame blizzard for that, I have a crit haste belt waiting

[limber lion]

Once you have the correct setup and you want to improve your gameplay further, then we're going to need to see either logs or a VOD. We can't really help much with just a sim.

But get your 4 set, work on getting a better unity and just keep grinding more gear.

[loud brook]

yee aight

ty everyone < 3

[scenic sky]

I agree here you should deff swap out your leggo chest, I personally have it as a ring.
Get the 4 set asap best slots are head/shoulder/chest/pants.
Swap out the hast gems and enchants for crits. Haste is but i rather take mastery even over it 😛

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/by4CDEbv46wBjumcRiB8gL

This is mine

[balmy condor]

no

don't swap lego chest

dusk should be on chest

[scenic sky]

Really 😮

But hands is like...

[balmy condor]

yes really

I wouldn't have put it in the FaQ otherwise

[scenic sky]

I havent read the FaQ 😛
Will check

Hope the prices arnt overboard at the AH then i'm willing to change it
Might wait

[balmy condor]

little birdy told me there

could possible maybe

at some point in the near (next hour)

be a sin post on wowhead about dragonflight

[oak sky]

👀

guess ill just have to stay up

[ebon notch]

Eyo

[echo geyser]

Is the method guide being updated for sin too?

[balmy condor]

yeh eventually

[echo geyser]

thought all specs would have same due date

ill wait

[subtle tundra]

more changes on the tree?!?

[scenic sky]

WDYM its 11.55 in the morning (i'm at work its so busy i can scroll here)

[oak sky]

its 2:55 am here

[scenic sky]

Ouch

[oak sky]

not everyone lives in europe

[subtle tundra]

idk looks like 12:56 p m

so

youre wrong

both of you

[scenic sky]

My bad excuses 😢

[oak sky]

https://tenor.com/view/yh-gif-25406060

[scenic sky]

Be glad :p

[balmy condor]

they do

[limber lion]

Facts

[echo geyser]

guy said outlaw was tuesday

Tomorrow

[balmy condor]

yep they're due 8/8

that's today

I have done 0 work on it

[echo geyser]

[ebon notch]

@echo geyser back home??

[balmy condor]

they posted a tracking sheet and just over half the writers have submitted their guide updates, with most of the missing ones being internal method players

[balmy condor]

if they don't care about their guides enough to be on time, why should I

[subtle tundra]

--

oh lol

i beat my keyboard

and uh that posted

😐

[limber lion]

@balmy condor should have complained more about IC range, otherwise great post homie

[balmy condor]

we can fix that

hold on

[limber lion]

[oak sky]

sepsis and sbs on the trees

[subtle tundra]

fking sucks that if i want sbs(i DONT) i have to take doomblade

[oak sky]

dude low key

[subtle tundra]

(I DO NOT WANT SBS)

[oak sky]

with doomblade being 8s now

multidot

definitely feels like our 3 point nodes are very limiting i think the goal of not getting multiple capstones could be accomplished by us just having more talents

but obviously if the ideas just arent there then we'll have to deal

[balmy condor]

refresh

[oak sky]

@balmy condor your sbs is sepsis and your sepsis is sbs

[balmy condor]

wtf

now sbs disappeared

bruh

[subtle tundra]

your m+ build takes stepsis

wtf

noob

[oak sky]

reject sbs

take ep

[subtle tundra]

why you no take ep?

[balmy condor]

cause I don't feel like it eat shit

[subtle tundra]

👨‍🦽 <- you

[oak sky]

this screams i hate my group

[balmy condor]

I want katar

katar good

crit good

monkey sees cp on fok

neuron activation

[oak sky]

(in theory)

[subtle tundra]

feelsbad the only capstone good for m+ is ic

[balmy condor]

DTB could be really strong

[oak sky]

dtb could be good i guess

[subtle tundra]

you need to take a lot of ST stuff for it

like, a lot

[oak sky]

its a 6 point talent

[balmy condor]

you'd have to drop scent and a fok talent

[oak sky]

mb

its a 7 point talent

[balmy condor]

but like

there's a lot of poison stuff

poisons are strong

[subtle tundra]

yessssssssss! putting points into poison bomb!!!!!!!!! yes it will do 0 damage in packs!!!!!!!!! yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

😠

[oak sky]

yeah true that does work on the assumption that we have shadowlands pb dashing and envenom

[balmy condor]

you don't know that

In cleave poison bomb might crank hard

[subtle tundra]

ok maybe there's a build that all it does is cap energy from bleeds and does envenoms on amplified enemies

[balmy condor]

Dashing in aoe with 2 poisons

[subtle tundra]

but i doubt it will be stronk

[balmy condor]

Is a lot of energy

[subtle tundra]

ok? and what will you do with that energy

if youre capped from 4 bleeds

[oak sky]

you dont take vw obviously

[subtle tundra]

surely

[oak sky]

yes

you give up vw

[subtle tundra]

and afk on pull

[oak sky]

and poison

and

atrophic

[balmy condor]

I’m not saying omg op poggers damage but writing off dtb instantly is cringe

[subtle tundra]

i

JUST checked

youre cringe

📸

[oak sky]

i dont want us to end up being underloaded

if that makes sense

that would really suck

[echo geyser]

[echo geyser]

Tomorrow night

will be a long night lots of stuff to do before reset

[viscid spear]

I got keys to do, Sires to kill

[subtle tundra]

fast 8 keys, full hc clear

and some weeklies on alts

all in 1 night

should be eeeasy for a man of your caliber

[viscid spear]

Only need three actually
Lower, Gambit, and Shop

Got 15/16 on the other 5

[echo geyser]

Not sure what to do with alts yet

[viscid spear]

Oh you're talking to Ram

[spice spire]

Hope you have a blessed day mister Warcieft

[limber lion]

Perfect

[bleak sky]

[brave gyro]

@balmy condor read your article on wowhead, good read man. I like how you write

[balmy condor]

thank you