assassination

[limber lion]

But yeh

[balmy condor]

mechagon rings are equal to legion ring no?

they were last I checked

[slow forge]

Jesus feral is literally the same running eoc sigil

[limber lion]

I checked and Mecha rings were quite a bit better

[slow forge]

What’s eon?

[limber lion]

Obviously mega aids to get though

[balmy condor]

sylv dagger

[slow forge]

Oh right

[limber lion]

2 rings from a pool of like a million items and everyone wants those rings so no one will trade you

[slow forge]

So eoc iqd?

[limber lion]

Eoc amp probs

[main solar]

more farmable than the court of stars ring though, which is time limited

[slow forge]

Oh shit I forgot sfa exists

[cursive orchid]

one or 2?

[main solar]

dont even think you can get IQD in season 4 though?

[limber lion]

I checked with my current retail profile with 311 rings, not sure if different with full set of 311 items.

Could be dank

[slow forge]

Ur right

[limber lion]

Anyways

[limber lion]

2 my guy

[slow forge]

Forgot about the new dungeon pool

[main solar]

are there even new conduit ranks in season 4?

[cursive orchid]

that makes me sad sad

[balmy condor]

we don't know

[subtle tundra]

when's next legion tw?

[limber lion]

Well, more farmable as in they are in the rotation all the time yeah. But getting Signet should be much easier than the mecha rings

[subtle tundra]

zzzz gotta do cos 3 times again.....

[slow forge]

Sometime in August

I was talking to a Druid who was prepping for legion mage tower before he learned tn that it was open

[regal cloud]

Do we know yet if we can upgrade gear from dinar? (eon)

Like if I get 2x heroic am I rekt for myth version or can we upgrade it?

[hoary night]

i guess yes

[night delta]

AA so high is very not ideal imo

[limber lion]

This is 1000000 times better than anything else we've had in many many years. But yeah, if melee was under deadly poison it would be perfect.

[hoary night]

but you still loot as you do now from the fated raids, so it is your own responsibility to decide if you want to upgrade the normal-ilvl ones bought

[night delta]

I mean, also, CT in single target feels wrong still

But yeah I'm mostly advocating for stronger envenom just so we get rid of CT single target

[limber lion]

Ok show me a breakdown that's better

I'll wait

Got a 4 hour bus ride ahead of me

[night delta]

Idk why you even go this way, Like the "good looks" of a damage breakdown isn't an objective metric.

And I wasn't talking about the overall thing, just that having to maintain the go-to AoE finisher in single target, again, feels like it doesn't really belong

[slow forge]

Isn’t it only here cuz of tier

Or were you playing CT pre-tier set

[limber lion]

Just tier. CT and PB have always been very competitivr choices between one another, especially on 2+ targets

A lot of people just tend to go for CT when it's anything but single target.

[slow forge]

I wouldn’t really say taking CT ST is an envenom problem its only better cuz it interacts with 4p

Although it has to feel nice to swap up the play style a bit

Haste rogue in s4 bfa was my favourite iteration of sin

[night delta]

As long as it's related to tier and so comes and goes that's fine

[limber lion]

Yeah this is pretty similar, kind of.

[limber lion]

No, all the Envenom fanatics in the chat are just overdosing on some Envenom puffpuff

[night delta]

That's why I'm deeply invested in seeing baseline CT be not good in single target in Dragonflight

[slow forge]

It’s getting hard to defend you LOL

[night delta]

I just don't want to spend an entire expansion prioritizing an AoE finisher over a ST one in ST

[slow forge]

Wow I guess sin chat and feral chat are very similar in these arguements for bleeds over DD finishers

Bleeds vs DD finishers **

[night delta]

I couldn't care less if CT was a bleed or not

[limber lion]

They don't rule each other out

[night delta]

I mean, with CT duration ? It's a lot of investment to maintain uptime

[hoary night]

the only thing i want CT to have is benefitting from venomous wound.

but obviously it failed

[night delta]

That'd be energy overload

[slow forge]

Then it would make it worth keeping up ST without only having it up for damage

[hoary night]

yeah i know so it's a pity

[night delta]

Though it could be interesting if CT, instead of spreading its own dot, put a low-duration rupture or something

[hoary night]

that's basically what ferals have now

[night delta]

Making AoE a hybrid of tabbing for garrotes, and not having to for rupture

[hoary night]

but ferals dont have synergies as we do on rupture

[night delta]

Though that'd probably mean complete rework of Indiscriminate Carnage, as that kinda invalidates its design

[hoary night]

carnage is definitely a good design and a goto for m+

i don't wanna have it reworked again

[steel ridge]

still not sold on the position of cheat death in the class try man

[hoary night]

well that's true

[steel ridge]

kinda terrified to lose it xD

[hoary night]

the position is a little bit awkward now

should've been somewhere around recuperator

[steel ridge]

i mean it makes sense in regards to where the other survivability traits are

but its so central to our kit that locking it behind 4 low impact points is kinda meh

something like this

but then you can probably just connect everything and be done with it

[hoary night]

in your dream possibly

cheat death is just so sompulsory

[night delta]

Yeah, scratch that CT ruprure idea, it's not very good after all

I think the issue is that these hard survivability talents are gatekeeping damage options

Which means if the damage options aren't balanced well enough, you don't actually get to choose your survivability

[sterile jackal]

i hope we'll get some cp storage xD

[limber lion]

Didn't you see the finisher that insta-kills the target if you spend 1000 combo points?

[sterile jackal]

nope :p

[limber lion]

Yeh pretty pog

[thorn schooner]

someone said deathmark got a new animation, how does it look now?

[copper hazel]

#subtlety message

its in the sub channel

[thorn schooner]

thanks ! looks pretty good tbh

[molten galleon]

Looks dope

[versed mica]

It should just be baseline for rogue tbh

[pulsar apex]

heya. the new dull bladed assasin here again

just did jailer LFR.

is there anywhere i can look at my Details report to gain any roation feedback?

[grand ridge]

Maybe check warcraftlogs.com to see if anyone else in the raid logged the fight. You can look at your parse using that site (how your dps compares to others doing the same fight)

[pulsar apex]

great

i could always log myself

and the proper raid team does anyway

[grand ridge]

Also lots on this discord are happy to look through logs if you have a link

[violet jackal]

Bone Gang Rejoice all is right in the world

[light garnet]

but kingsbane

[strange python]

You can't just skip kingsbane I'm afraid that's illegal

Also vigor is better than deeper stratagem

[molten galleon]

I hate it so much that we cant play double poison and kingsbane 😦

[violet jackal]

I think we will have enough energy to forgo vigor once again

[night delta]

I mean, Venomous wounds regresses to 7 nrg from our current 8, and we will have less haste early in the expansion

if we don't take at least 1 complementary energy-gain talent, we'll be strictly worse off than now outside of Deathmark windows

[violet jackal]

dashing scoundrel + tight spender + venomous wounds + venom rush

[night delta]

Venom Rush might be enough, but I'm skeptical

[main blaze]

Not that its great but we also have to take venom rush now

[night delta]

going dashing means you probably arent' going kingsbane though

[violet jackal]

i'm not

[night delta]

or you are severely tight on talent points

[violet jackal]

i'm going bonespike

[night delta]

well in that case that checks out

or something among those lines

might also consider

[violet jackal]

but raid utility we finally got it and now your not going to take t that ludacris

[vast loom]

this was my idea idk if we take Shrouded or CT in ST id assume its just tuning

[night delta]

Bet it'll end up on the class tree by releasse

such strong raid-wide utility on spec tree instead of class is egregious

[violet jackal]

energy bar going to take a yea to reach half

[vast loom]

Dashing scoundrel is pretty shit energy regen right?

[violet jackal]

depends on your crit

[night delta]

it starts being decent with medium crit

[violet jackal]

in sanctum we were swimming in energy at 45% crit

[night delta]

which we won't have at 10.0

[violet jackal]

uh have you seen the loot

everything got crit on it

[night delta]

still betcha reaching 45% crit in .0 will be mission impossible

that's ALOT for 1st season

[violet jackal]

challenge accpted

[main blaze]

I'd love to see this in the class tree

[vast loom]

we will have master assassin

in dances

so i think dance is just good

and deeper is just bad

[gusty mirage]

Why though

ER is terrible for assassination

[violet jackal]

7 point internal bleeding kidney shot best we got

[gusty mirage]

Doesn’t work with kidney shot

[violet jackal]

Da Fuq, absoulte dumpster fire then

[gusty mirage]

[sleek sundial]

you sure? cc on kidney dosent go up, but i think internal bleed scales to 7 cp

[pulsar apex]

im having trouble getting my head round how kingsbane works. (was it a legion thing?)

[vast loom]

is 1/8 extra energy really worth it for dashing? tahts with deadly poison at like 70% crit

[gusty mirage]

Positive

Only applies to damaging finishers which KS is not

[violet jackal]

technically it is a damageing finisher with internal bleeding 🤔

[gusty mirage]

Tell that to blizzard

[sleek sundial]

yeah, but on live rn. the tooltip for internal bleeding it self has a cp - dmg table

[bleak sky]

Technically Snd is a damaging finisher as well

[night delta]

I'm thinking either one of these two for spec tree

comes down to whether blindside is strong enough for more spammy, or is eclipsed by PB

[gusty mirage]

Sure does, but try it on a dummy or in torghast it doesn’t consume the anima charged cp

[violet jackal]

the left one looks like juice but a lot of extra buttons

[gusty mirage]

With IB or without

[unborn oasis]

Thats my biggest problem with this new talent system, i wont have keybinds for all these buttons...

[night delta]

tbf you can macro half the cooldowns together

[bleak sky]

Oh no, poor assassination having to keybind more than 4 buttons

[vast loom]

MMO mice users unite

[violet jackal]

You will if you have a 12 button mouse

[night delta]

Deathmark + Dance + Kingsbane on same button for example

[ebon notch]

hello

[violet jackal]

look your talking to someone that currently isn't using marked for death

[night delta]

since it syncs

[vast loom]

you would probably want to dance at the end of kingsbane

well mor elike 3-4 ssec in

[night delta]

Dance 20% damage amp

[thorny pond]

Want entirety of dance to sync with end of KB likely yes

[vast loom]

yeah you want to amp the end of kingsbane

[hollow river]

Isn’t kingsbane a passive

[night delta]

yeah might be better a bit later for higher dot

[thorny pond]

On use

[hollow river]

Orly

[thorny pond]

Yes hit it every min

Keep envenom up

Big brain

[unborn oasis]

I have porblems with RSI or whatever the english word for it is so i cant really spam the buttons on a MMO mouse without fucking up my hand

[vast loom]

we also probablt want to double shiv to get 100% shiv uptime during deathmark

[storm onyx]

Dashing is quite potent actually, steady energy gain, also works with aoe, buff’s envenom also

[gusty mirage]

Hello maybe daps rogue prodigy and cutie pie

[ebon notch]

no u

[night delta]

yeah shiv will be always hold til kingsbane comes

[ebon notch]

wrong one

[thorny pond]

No no that was good

[night delta]

it lines up quite nice aswell, 2 charges in 50 seconds

[thorny pond]

@gusty mirage as soon as I get ryg dagger, a healer calls out and I’m back to green boi. Why does this always happen to me. Can you sue them?

[gusty mirage]

Only if you sue blizzard for not dropping me any raid dagger all tier

[thorny pond]

Rip

Took till Sep to get one EoN of any difficulty

So I understand you

[gusty mirage]

I feel like two chainz with all the necks I’ve gotten

[thorny pond]

More like neck me plz

[spice spire]

Mister beach, what are you doing next tier? You rogueing or healing?

[thorny pond]

I want to rogue

[gusty mirage]

[thorny pond]

But the rope around my neck is tightening, I can feel it

[gusty mirage]

Honestly I kinda want to heal

[ebon notch]

we all have these urges

[thorny pond]

It’s cathartic if your other healers are good. Stressful if they aren’t

[spice spire]

I’m a WARYOR s4

[gusty mirage]

Letting people die because they piss you off is powerful

[hollow river]

[spice spire]

Gonna be the worst WARYOR this side of the pond

[thorny pond]

Play MW and never target anyone ever

[gusty mirage]

Buddy have you seen oxiclap?

[spice spire]

He can oxiclap my cheeks

Wdym

[gusty mirage]

[thorny pond]

Also MW brings raid buff

Since WW is poop

[gusty mirage]

We have a MW

[thorny pond]

And who has a brewmaster, honestly

[gusty mirage]

Ngl I just want old hpal back

[spice spire]

We do

Brewmaster no warrior

[thorny pond]

Old HPal was the best

[spice spire]

[thorny pond]

But yea I want to stab things again but every week another healer calls out so they call me

[spice spire]

Oxi I think you like the idea of healing, but then you remember quakenboots coldsnapping barrier

And it cold snaps your mental

[gusty mirage]

[bleak sky]

the legend of quakewar

[spice spire]

So it’s that, but with 20 idiots

[ebon notch]

if only i could recruit @burnt latch i would play warrior season 4 and df

[gusty mirage]

I think I just gear my pally for season 4

[spice spire]

I want to continue to play rogue

[bleak sky]

gotta climb a few more ranks

[thorny pond]

Low point. It’s not great

[spice spire]

But with DF changing everything for sin - seems like a waste

[thorny pond]

Resto Druid

[gusty mirage]

So I can flex healing/tanking for people like @wild lantern when they hit me up the last 6 days of a season going “I need ksm “

[spice spire]

Not everything per se, but a bit

She hasn’t asked me for help once

[ebon notch]

i use cev to sweet talk him

in finland

[spice spire]

God bless

[burnt latch]

Finnish*

[gusty mirage]

What are we finishing?

[bleak sky]

my life hopefully

[burnt latch]

My morning prayers mashallah habibti gm

[bleak sky]

just end it

[ebon notch]

finland

[spice spire]

A warcieft/dapspman/Ceverion guild would be accidental rwf champions every tier tho

GM mister warcieft

[gusty mirage]

[burnt latch]

Nocco about to start 10.0 with 5 rogues

[spice spire]

Hopped up on nocco too

[burnt latch]

Perma shiv debbyfed

[thorny pond]

Yea only because we are missing 7 class trees

[spice spire]

Energy regen unmatched

[burnt latch]

Its rly nice isnt it

[ebon notch]

goals

whole roster of rogues cracked up on nocco

we maybe have JPC during season 4 also

the 4 rogue roster would be unmatched

just gotta get KSP in here

[spice spire]

Viklund and his rogues

[gusty mirage]

Kek

[thorny pond]

Rather have oxi on a yellow warrior

[gusty mirage]

Nah I’m washed

[thorny pond]

Yea I know. You smell nice

[ebon notch]

you'd be surprised how many guildies suddenly wanted to start gearing their rogues

[spice spire]

I’m not

[burnt latch]

Why

[spice spire]

Rogue is a fun class, it makes a lot of sense

[bleak sky]

getting KSP and not KPB ( @final star ) WEIRDGE

[burnt latch]

Well yeah sure but is that the reason?

[ebon notch]

i already tried

KPB was reserved 😦

[burnt latch]

Why

[gusty mirage]

Because they’re all dumb, they don’t know how this works

[ebon notch]

season 4 with EON and veinripper

[gusty mirage]

Everyone thinking rogue will actually be OP is high on the copium

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/wow-oh-my-woah-whoa-cute-gif-15272603

[burnt latch]

Rogue will be strong, rogue wont be op

[ebon notch]

and they see me pumping without externals and theyre like "its easy watch this"

then i get 18 dms about roll the fucking bones

[burnt latch]

Just prayge that sub will be better than outlaw

[gusty mirage]

311 eon that’ll save us

[burnt latch]

Or ull get some absolute demons in your keys

Imagine the fotm hunters trying to learn outlaw in 3 months

[gusty mirage]

Kek

[midnight mist]

just have to be the rogue

then there isnt a fotm rogue reroller in ur key

all good

[burnt latch]

Oh ye we’re safe but I feel bad for the community

[gusty mirage]

People forget that outlaw benefits from a 311 eon too

[burnt latch]

Outlaw isnt easy to pick up and perform well on

[bleak sky]

@ebon notch when are you poaching zac

[subtle tundra]

💀

[burnt latch]

Sub kinda is

[ebon notch]

i already tried also

but hes french

[gusty mirage]

[midnight mist]

never, He dmed me saying I was too bad to join 😔

[gusty mirage]

Wtf

[midnight mist]

yo wtf

racist?

[gusty mirage]

Bro daps you getting banned now

Don’t bully zac

[burnt latch]

Actual ban

Racism

[bleak sky]

?????

[burnt latch]

Tf

[bleak sky]

what the fuck

[midnight mist]

[burnt latch]

??????

[bleak sky]

mods?

do something

[ebon notch]

the fact i said "hes french"

[midnight mist]

explain yourself daps

[burnt latch]

@stable hazels

[ebon notch]

and you all thought that was negative

MEANS THAT YOU'RE ALL THE RACISTS

[bleak sky]

no you

[ebon notch]

fuckin

ban yourselves

awful stereotypes

[midnight mist]

[bleak sky]

[frosty bridge]

[burnt latch]

[hollow river]

!ban

[gusty mirage]

This poor guy you just pinged

[burnt latch]

LMAO yeah i noticed

[ebon notch]

he really shouldnt have that name

[bleak sky]

honestly that's on them tbh

[ebon notch]

its his fault

[bleak sky]

yeah

[ebon notch]

who changed my disc name btw pls put it back

[burnt latch]

HAHAHAHAHA

[gusty mirage]

[ebon notch]

😦

[burnt latch]

[ebon notch]

@midnight mist im sry for saying ur french

[midnight mist]

all good

[gusty mirage]

Woah that’s not any better

[midnight mist]

I am indeed french

[ebon notch]

?????

[burnt latch]

???????

[ebon notch]

I CANT WIN

[burnt latch]

Racism hello

[gusty mirage]

“Sorry for implying that being French is a negative thing”

[burnt latch]

Tf

[gusty mirage]

There

[midnight mist]

[gusty mirage]

Copy and paste that

[ebon notch]

that was you

wtf

[burnt latch]

“Sorry for implying that being French is a negative thing”

[gusty mirage]

No I said don’t bully him

[ebon notch]

I DIDNT

@midnight mist did i bully you stp

[midnight mist]

oui

[ebon notch]

non

[midnight mist]

si

[ebon notch]

trou de cul

[midnight mist]

wtf

[burnt latch]

TF

[midnight mist]

ban pls

[ebon notch]

raz taught me

[burnt latch]

BAN??? Mods

[gusty mirage]

Say less

[ebon notch]

and i cant stop saying it

[balmy condor]

why the fuck is there so much yellow in this bitch

need to go fly swatting or something

[midnight mist]

du instead of de btw

[gusty mirage]

Start with @ebon notch

[burnt latch]

[ebon notch]

raz isnt good at french

here i fixed it

[midnight mist]

UH

[gusty mirage]

I changed your name back

[ebon notch]

thank u

[midnight mist]

come back daps

[ebon notch]

ill come back when they go for their nap

[burnt latch]

Daps rping assa rogue

[gusty mirage]

[burnt latch]

Outlaw main

[ebon notch]

stop threatening to ban me please

:<

[burnt latch]

[gusty mirage]

Okay fine

I can’t even ban you

[ebon notch]

yes but whispyr can

[gusty mirage]

I can just perma mute you

[ebon notch]

and we saw what happened last time

apparently this channel cannot function without me

[gusty mirage]

I think we’ll manage

[burnt latch]

[ebon notch]

[gusty mirage]

Give it a shot

[burnt latch]

[ebon notch]

we already did

[burnt latch]

Boys

Im craving for some kfc

Drumsticks

[ebon notch]

send it

[ebon notch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndqjxhi7uZs

use this to get you even hungrier

[burnt latch]

Im already making the order

[balmy condor]

ayo boys pack it up already

[burnt latch]

Im sorry sir

[final star]

It's true, @ebon notch did try but I declined cos I didn't wanna see the homie slip into the madness of warrior. Such a nice guy tbh so real

[balmy condor]

little bit of off topic is fine every now and then but it's just been 30 minutes straight

[ebon notch]

sorry sir

[paper crane]

yo whats the best healing build for a vengeance warlock

cant seem to find it anywhere

speaking of healing why cant we get our feint leggy heal from legion back

[sleek sundial]

hey what do you guys think about this?

[balmy condor]

I kinda hate it

we just got rid of cold blood

[spice spire]

You hate

[sleek sundial]

lol, yeah but you dont have to take if dont want it lol

[balmy condor]

also probably overtuned

vigor/deeper are where they are because of their strength

[sleek sundial]

it just kind made sense that cold blood is under the crit thing right

?

[balmy condor]

you're just putting decent talents into places where they will be forgotten forever

[paper crane]

can we move imp sap

[burnt latch]

THIS

Why tf is that even a thing

[balmy condor]

no one in their right mind is going to go 3 points into alacrity just for mfd, maybe outlaw will

[bleak sky]

it makes sense to be there though

imp sap is right below tricks and step, it's utility

[sleek sundial]

alacrity needed to scale the haste with points

like lethality

[burnt latch]

Ye but its on the same row as 15% movement speed

Which is vastly better

[storm onyx]

Would have guessed it to be an off branch tbf

[burnt latch]

Nvm wrong row

[balmy condor]

now if you gave it connectors like this

it's a different stroy

[burnt latch]

3% dr and recuperator

[balmy condor]

cause now it's an alternate path to the capstone

[burnt latch]

Vs no energy on sap

[balmy condor]

that gives it value again

[final star]

Swap cold blood and mfd on his pic

[balmy condor]

but just as dead end abilities?

[final star]

Ez clap

[balmy condor]

nah

[sleek sundial]

now i like that

[balmy condor]

dead ending cold blood and mfd like that is just a massive L

[paper crane]

aside from dance I dont like the other 2 general capstones

[balmy condor]

and yes

swap them

[burnt latch]

Whispyr how strong do u think cold blood will be? Never played with any of its previous iterations but it seems incredibly weak to me

[balmy condor]

this makes much more sense

[paper crane]

thistle tea would be better if the cd wasnt so long

[final star]

Catch me never taking tea ever thanks bud

[balmy condor]

probably not too much, but if it works on bleeds it's probably okay

[balmy condor]

so you're an alt account of someone right

[bleak sky]

it's vel

[paper crane]

nah

[bleak sky]

I can't prove it

but it's vel

[paper crane]

dusting off the rogue and like joining the class discords

[sleek sundial]

dont think cold blood should be under lethality, that just makes sense no? same with alacrity and mfd

[balmy condor]

no random new person coming into the channel would be bold enough to just flat out troll like that

[paper crane]

just to talk about shit, see where people are at

[zealous marsh]

mission failed not enough noob question vel

[final star]

[burnt latch]

oh like snapshotting a 100% crit rupture or garrote with it?

[balmy condor]

fixed

[balmy condor]

yes

[burnt latch]

ye that'd be cool

[paper crane]

if we run amp poison, sending it with a fatty envenom

[sleek sundial]

lol sure

[paper crane]

number go high

[sleek sundial]

but seal fate on left

LMAO

[paper crane]

[sleek sundial]

@balmy condor dosent like crit on the left of the tree confirmed

[balmy condor]

I mean you can't just have every crit talent one after the other in a row man

[sleek sundial]

i guess

dont take me wrong i would change

[balmy condor]

my mans just organizing talents by stats

[paper crane]

[balmy condor]

like separating the colors from a skittles bag

[sleek sundial]

lethality and alacrity 100% of the time

[slow marsh]

Who's idea was it to start Photoshopping the talent tree

And why

[balmy condor]

there's some friction necessary and some side of the tree that need to have talents you don't want to take, there's choice behind that

[placid adder]

Now swap SF with cheat

[balmy condor]

if you do this you have to make a conscious decision to go to seal fate, which is very powerful, and maybe you aren't able to pick up dance if you're grabbing the crit nodes either

that's a pay off

you don't just get every crit talent for free

that would erase the entire point

[hollow river]

Yes

[sleek sundial]

this then?

[balmy condor]

we've been photoshopping the talent tree since it got announced idk whats weird about it

[sleek sundial]

of

fuck

CB and MFD

swaped

but yeah

[balmy condor]

yeh

swap cb and mfd

and that's fine imo

[subtle tundra]

I hate sbs I hate sbs I hate sbs I hate sbs

[balmy condor]

swapping alacrity and lethality might not be the move,

but I'm okay with it

[slow marsh]

It's weird cuz I'm not in here all the time anymore so it's confusing me

[marble hemlock]

no youre not

[sleek sundial]

... dont click it then?

[hollow river]

??????????

[subtle tundra]

Sure buddy just don't play whats best

[balmy condor]

varas is a weird one, just ignore him like the crazy person on the subway

and he'll go away eventually

[subtle tundra]

I'm in front of subway

[hollow river]

Bro?

[subtle tundra]

The shop and the method of transportation

[hollow river]

Sbs is pog

[slow marsh]

I prefer blimpies now

[brazen zodiac]

in...front..?

xD

[balmy condor]

varas please I'm trying to get to work can you stop masturbating in the seat across from me

[subtle tundra]

[hollow river]

[brazen zodiac]

hey varas are u talkin about the NYC subways?

[subtle tundra]

America noooo

[slow marsh]

Imagine varas as an American

[balmy condor]

y'all don't have masturbaters on the subway?

[zealous marsh]

FreedomLand

[slow marsh]

He'd prolly be more normal

[burnt latch]

theres no shot romania has a subway

[brazen zodiac]

i thought u were american!

[burnt latch]

0%

chance

[paper crane]

I love vegemite on buttered bread

[subtle tundra]

100% Dacian blood

Of pure heritage

[slow marsh]

Pure bred we love to see it

[balmy condor]

but anyway, yes, this, and then just delete that middle row with ER cause what the fuck

and it's great

[sleek sundial]

yeah

fuck ER

[balmy condor]

yep

looks good

I have a post-it on my screen to hide ER

[sleek sundial]

lmao

[hollow river]

3 points to get weak ER

Madge

[slow marsh]

Sbs didnt make it did it

[paper crane]

replace ER with roll the bones

[slow marsh]

Just sepsis er and flag?

[ebon notch]

[paper crane]

like why is it only outlaw that gets to have fun

[marble hemlock]

SBS is a choice now on the sepsis node for assa

so its either SBS or stepsis

[hollow river]

It was added

[slow marsh]

Uwu nice

[brazen zodiac]

m+ lookin fun next xpac

[hollow river]

So who’s gonna come up with the ER CT Exsang build for ST

[slow marsh]

Thanks for the update , I'll be back in two weeks asking the same exact questions cuz I'm too lazy to keep up with it myself

[brazen zodiac]

see u soon mr blades

[hollow river]

[brazen zodiac]

with the same 60 questions pog

[gusty mirage]

[ebon notch]

jimmies are rustled

[whole mason]

For sin, we need a new tea for kb's return!

Inscrutably fated thistle tea：？？？

[balmy condor]

what

[noble pine]

we got shrouded suffocation back how about we get echoing blades back too

[subtle tundra]

N o

[balmy condor]

varas what do you like

[subtle tundra]

Human

[balmy condor]

you just seem to hate everythin

[subtle tundra]

Ss

I love ss

[balmy condor]

do you like kingsbane

[subtle tundra]

Is OK, I played legion a bit and didn't even understand what it did

I just pressed button

[whole mason]

Kb's line needs a clear and significant support from the class tree.

[subtle tundra]

[balmy condor]

?

[subtle tundra]

What the duck

[burnt latch]

What in the goose

[subtle tundra]

I also like the aoe bleeds

[gusty mirage]

we're gonna go ahead and delete that mr. warcieft

[subtle tundra]

I also like fok cp generation improved

[balmy condor]

what fucking more

does it need

[burnt latch]

Unlucky but fair

[gusty mirage]

ily pls forgive

[subtle tundra]

You to stop crying

[burnt latch]

it was a risky move from my part i understand

[balmy condor]

kingsbane probably the most supported active ability out of anything on any of the rogue trees

[subtle tundra]

Yooo gonna go home now and open the rogue vault

[balmy condor]

wanting it to be supported more is actually insane

[subtle tundra]

Gonna get the useless dagger

[whole mason]

Those are general buff talents. Not like specific synergy with KB

[balmy condor]

well yeah of course

it's assassination only

[whole mason]

For example, 3crit from lethality...

[balmy condor]

why would there be direct synergy with KB on the class tree

[burnt latch]

Sorry didnt play during legion so I dont understand, how do those support kingsbane?

[whole mason]

Like we have ambush in outlaw with dance, FW with VV and blindside

[balmy condor]

it's a generator

[whole mason]

We need a new tea for KB

[burnt latch]

Ohhhh i see

Thought it was just like a fat bleed u slapped on cd and thats it

[sleek sundial]

you get deadly precision which is crazy, plus deadly poisons and lethality wot

kb is fine

[balmy condor]

I don't understand what the point is here

[whole mason]

There are however specific talents in general tree fitting for those builds clearly. Of course not necessarily.

[balmy condor]

you have between the eyes on outlaw

that doesn't have anything on the class tree

you have black powder on sub, that doesn't have anything specific on the class tree

flag doesn't have anything on the class tree

[sleek sundial]

whispyr does dashing scoundrel works with KB?

[whole mason]

But for pistol build we have high frequent pace with rtb giving crit with lethality and green skin

Bte's crit too

[balmy condor]

of course

kingbane is a lethal poison

works with all lethal poison effects

[whole mason]

Wait

[sleek sundial]

then thats your synergy my dude

[whole mason]

KB can be duplicated by DM?

[balmy condor]

yes

[limber lion]

Yes

And works on Lethal Dose :)

[balmy condor]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

hello?

[whole mason]

Lethal dose is clear

[limber lion]

Lmaoooooo

Still not enough for you?

[balmy condor]

it's buffed by all the generator effects

it's buffed by all the lethal poison effects

[burnt latch]

I think we need a seperate wing to make KB actually feel rewarding to use if u want to go with that route tbh

I know ins and outs of KB played with it a lot trust me

[balmy condor]

poison bomb got a second point because the interaction with dragon tempered would be too much

[whole mason]

Supporting is different from synergistically supporting.

[balmy condor]

like kingsbane is already bordering on too many interactions

[burnt latch]

Thats a fancy word

[limber lion]

You literally gave examples of the same thing

[balmy condor]

I don't understand what the difference is here

[limber lion]

"vW giving energy with Blindside/Ambush"

Lul

[burnt latch]

What is synergistically supporting

[balmy condor]

you said ambush has synergistic support, and then said "find weakness"

bro

[whole mason]

Oh, it is the original KB awarding CP.

[brazen zodiac]

[limber lion]

[burnt latch]

[balmy condor]

[bleak sky]

[whole mason]

Damn my small screen cellphone!

My apologies, my fellow rogue elites. Let's move on to next topic.

[balmy condor]

[brazen zodiac]

nono

its not that easy sir

[limber lion]

Fellow elites?

[robust pasture]

Can we all agree the latest assassination talent tree looks baller af?

[burnt latch]

The only elite amongst us is @ebon notch

[limber lion]

An elite donkey

[burnt latch]

✨Elite✨

[thorn crater]

ehm ive been away for way too long i guess, is kingsbane baseline now?

or is it a talent?

[limber lion]

DF talent

[thorn crater]

df?

[burnt latch]

New expansion

[thorn crater]

oh dragonflight

wait i didnt see it on the tree video

how did i miss it

[robust pasture]

It was updated yesterday

[burnt latch]

Recently added

[limber lion]

Whose video?

inb4infexious

[thorn crater]

oh u know we were talking about it a couple of days ago. the one fituring whispyr and seli

[limber lion]

Oh ya the podcast

[thorn crater]

did they also fix the SHD interactions?

[limber lion]

Fix?

[thorn crater]

i mean u know what i mean

its too much dmg to be allowed to move forward XD

[limber lion]

Most of the talents are NYI

[sleek sundial]

[subtle kiln]

@balmy condor did you get a winner for the shittiest build? does it include cold blood?

[limber lion]

It did get nerfed yes

[limber lion]

I'll have you know the best build includes Cold Blood

[subtle kiln]

it does it work on rupture

[balmy condor]

I only received sane talent builds because everyone was very kind

[subtle kiln]

i’ll work on that later then

[spice spire]

I’ll fix that

[viscid spear]

I'm more of a Flyers fan tho
They're gonna wait until like a month before, aren't they

[cerulean junco]

was this always this way? or did they remove abilities

[balmy condor]

idk what you mean

what's weird about acro?

[cerulean junco]

on alpha atm mutilate does not seem to have extended range

not working like outlaw does on live

[burnt latch]

A lot of talents NYI

[balmy condor]

yeah

that's whitelist stuff

[cerulean junco]

😐

[balmy condor]

alpha first implementations

[whole mason]

Flat DMG amp like dance and NS should be considered multipliers to kb's stacks, right?

[balmy condor]

they multiply kingsbane damage

[slow marsh]

ok so actually looking at stuff again so i'm not a lazy fuck

[balmy condor]

they don't multiply the damage multiplier

it's still 15%

[slow marsh]

it seems like the consensus is that spec tree is a lot nicer after update and that's why the focus on class tree now?

[whole mason]

What 15%?

[balmy condor]

the.. the stacks?

on kingbane?

[balmy condor]

yes

[whole mason]

Yeah, and output with flat DMG amplifiers

[balmy condor]

idk what the question is

[whole mason]

Okay

[slow marsh]

Kingsbane AND SS, damn

[whole mason]

So actually these dmg% buffs are essential to KB

[balmy condor]

idk what essential means in this case

but they do buff it a lot, yes

[brave gyro]

I haven't thought about it much - but an ambush-focused build

[slow marsh]

how would you say that's ambush focused

[balmy condor]

it takes blindside

[slow marsh]

if anything its vicious venoms focused

[whole mason]

I mean for example get tea so more energy to apply more stacks but after a certain amount of stacks, the benefit drops, while dmg% buffs would contribute consistently.

[rugged wren]

Hey guys I got a question which maybe a silly/dumb one but I cant seem to figure it out myself. Why do we want our Unity legendary on our wrists is there a particular reason? I know you dont want it on a tier slot item but isnt ring/neck/belt not better due to higher secondary stats

[thorn crater]

oh wow they replaced teh shitty shiv capstone

hmmmm

[balmy condor]

ring slots are taken by dusk and legion ring, neck is taken by jailer ring, belt is taken up by a high lvl belt as well

[thorn crater]

i guess that would make sin the king of ST right

[slow marsh]

TTB stonks with two charges of shiv is kinda nice tho

[brave gyro]

they moved it up and nerfed it to 300% because assa gets 2 charges of Shiv

[thorn crater]

cause im sure there is a build taking dragon tempered and KB

[balmy condor]

there isn't

[thorn crater]

oh rly?

[balmy condor]

it's impossible

you don't have the points

[slow marsh]

DTB is kind of the weak option now isn't it?

or rather

[thorn crater]

what if u go on a poison focused build and skip some bleed talents

[slow marsh]

more sustain option vs cds

[thorn crater]

do u lose a lot of dmg?

[balmy condor]

you're going to take bleed talents

[white orchid]

I mean it’s not impossible lol just improbable lol would lose out on other stuff to make@it

[balmy condor]

because you have to

[slow marsh]

I mean you keep bleeds up always anyways so you're trolling to not take them either way

[thorn crater]

is the tree on wowhead?

[slow marsh]

yeah same one is updated

[thorn crater]

got it from pinned

[balmy condor]

you take the poison nodes and now you're stuck

17/20

[whole mason]

Cttc more valuable than EP? Not sure. Also not sure on 1/3 alacrity

[thorn crater]

ye i saw it

its impossible to move on

without putting something on the irght side

and then ure one point short

of having both

[balmy condor]

you could take the aoe nodes

but like

but yeah

that's why poison bomb is 2 points now

[white orchid]

Some bosses have adds lol

[brave gyro]

idk, EP is flat dmg, i'd rather take that

[balmy condor]

specifically so you can't take DTB and another capstone

[slow marsh]

adds are for funneling

[wild lantern]

[thorn crater]

no what i mean is u need 20 points to move on. there is no combination to get both capstones with just 30 talents

[umbral rapids]

I guess that makes sense

[thorn crater]

they added an extra to PB

[whole mason]

This is a decisive design, loving it

[thorn crater]

to stop that exact degenerate build

but carnage and KB is possible right

[balmy condor]

you can still do this

it's just dragon tempered

would be too strong in combination with another capstone

and honestly dragon tempered is probably still insane

[brave gyro]

but is there ever a scenario where you'd spec like that, it feels giga out of synergy

[white orchid]

Nerf KB and put it on the same row as DTB lol

[bleak sky]

[balmy condor]

in low cleave m+ sure, why not

[slow marsh]

i like the idea of dtb and KB both being viable depending on if you want more sustain / sticky damage vs cds

[balmy condor]

I would play that in a theatre type of key

[slow marsh]

I mean historically cds generally win out but still

[thorn crater]

sepsis/BS is ignored right

feels like u could put that point somehwere else

[slow marsh]

BS might get slept on idk

[white orchid]

SB in m+ will still be good

[balmy condor]

sbs is really good

[brave gyro]

This is somewhat what i was thinking, especially since PB proc chance has been increased for envenom

[white orchid]

But wasting a talent on Doomblade feels meh

[thorn crater]

ye its cause of doomblade i was like

eeeh

[slow marsh]

then dont take doomblade

[thorn crater]

i think the problem blizz has is that since legion they have given some pretty insane sin options via legendaries and covenants and shit

[balmy condor]

3/3 alacrity is actually just a waste of a point, not taking increased poison chance with kingsbane is insane, going vigor instead of picking up seal fate is insane

[whole mason]

whispyr, raid DR assured or not?

[thorn crater]

and they need to find a way to make the spec not too OP

so they lock some good talents behind some shit

[balmy condor]

idk what you mean

[slow marsh]

its alpha bro nothing is assured

[white orchid]

Idk why they didn’t keep the damage amp to envenom on Doomblade but added that weak poison dot from it lol on live it does like 1% damage not even lol

[slow marsh]

other than we will use daggers and do bleeds and poisons

[balmy condor]

it's on the tree right now

[balmy condor]

I don't think you understand how much damage doomblade does

[brave gyro]

Should I delete my message? It bothered you a lot it seems

[slow marsh]

the weak poison dot that was the majority of the damage behind doomblade you mean?

[whole mason]

Atrophic poison is going to influence bosses, right?

[balmy condor]

what? no, I'm just pointing out what would make it better

[balmy condor]

yes

[thorn crater]

btw i think the pvp possibilities are bonkers

cause we are all going on about raid, M+

[whole mason]

SBS and doom would be too good not to choose for st or KB?

[slow marsh]

wut

[whole mason]

How does cold blood influence KB?

[slow marsh]

dang 50 cps thats op /s

[ebon notch]

[thorn crater]

how do i take a screenshot from wowhead XD

i need the program right

[slow marsh]

shift+win+s

[cerulean junco]

Deadly poison does not seem to be applying to a lot of dungeon mobs on alpha

[whole mason]

Keyboard print screen?

[brave gyro]

shift + win + S

[balmy condor]

you use cold blood, it makes the next ability 100% crit, so you press kingsbane, and it makes kingsbane 100% crit

[white orchid]

What was that ability we had awhile back ago that stored combo points so you could overcap and not feel like you wasted a generator. That was a cool talent

[strange python]

im vibin big time with assa rn not gonna lie

[whole mason]

Including all its dot?

[balmy condor]

yes

[rich wren]

Anticipation?

[balmy condor]

let anticipation die

[white orchid]

Is that what it was? I just remember it was cool lol

[balmy condor]

we had this argument about that dogshit talent yesterday

[white orchid]

Oh really haha

[whole mason]

Anticipation is a so-so one I think

[balmy condor]

it was mostly seli overdosing on copium telling me you could hold cp and then double finisher and it would be so sick

and me going "okay but why"

and then it turned into a conversation about wod combat rogue

[white orchid]

If they added a part to it that read the stored cp do increased damage like baking Deeper into it it would’ve been an even better talent

[rich wren]

It wasn't fun

[balmy condor]

and how that gameplay doesn't exist

[royal lantern]

BLEEDS REMOVED, THATS FERAL DRUID FANTASY ROGUE STOLE SMH

[balmy condor]

and how anticipation is just over-cap prevention and dumbass-proofing combo point management

and that was the end of it

[thorn crater]

how does this look? https://gyazo.com/f3f02ac1ec1995188855121bcefafbbe

[balmy condor]

gyazo

[thorn crater]

bruh the other thing doesnt work

i tried

[white orchid]

You might need that raid utility

[thorn crater]

sorry 😦

[balmy condor]

I think not taking dance is a little bit suspicious

but otherwise probably fine

[thorn crater]

i mean im assuming dance will get giga nerfed

[bleak sky]

win shift s -> paste here

[thorn crater]

where sin is concerned

[balmy condor]

like you go down the right side for nightstalker

and then just don't take dance

what's the point then

[thorn crater]

that i had nowhere else to put the points

[balmy condor]

put them literally anywhere else

[rich wren]

Vanish cb kb!

[balmy condor]

also subterfuge?

[thorn crater]

thistle tea? 😛

[white orchid]

Do you need gouge for raid can prob get to for that too

[slow marsh]

i'd be surprised to see dance get nerfed

[white orchid]

Rid*

[brave gyro]

cheat death

[slow marsh]

if anything they'll take it off restless blades if they haven't already

and it's fine

[bleak sky]

already got nerfed i'm pretty sure

the nodes leading up to it

[balmy condor]

could do this I guess

[slow marsh]

I was trying to make an imp ambush path work but it seems troll

[thorn crater]

ambush

yuck

[brave gyro]

y'all some brave ppl playing without CD

[slow marsh]

rate me daddy

[balmy condor]

bro you're taking nightstalker without dance, you're not allowed to say yuck to anything for the next week

[thorn crater]

hahahahahahahah

i mean i thought NS works with subterfuge no?

[balmy condor]

is this single target

[thorn crater]

thats why i took it tbh

[slow marsh]

we have imp garrote

[slow marsh]

ye

[thorn crater]

i literally only took ns for subterfuge

[brave gyro]

read "improved garrote" on assa tree - why would you go subterfuge

[slow marsh]

im messing around with the idea of blindside slot machine

since it can proc itself

[thorn crater]

oh they broke it apart?

welp i didnt know

[balmy condor]

twist over amp poison is tuning but looks really questionable, cttc over ep is a choice for sure, otherwise probably fine

[slow marsh]

I mean tuning will determine a lot at the end of the day

right

[balmy condor]

correct

[slow marsh]

For example PB doesn't excite me at all until it becomes big dam

[royal lantern]

if PB does big dam its even worse

🙂

just kill PB allready

[balmy condor]

PB is looking pretty ridiculous atm

[royal lantern]

rng proc fishing is so shit

[balmy condor]

50% proc chance

[frail jungle]

NH flashbacks

[balmy condor]

is really high

[copper hazel]

legion rog 2.0

[slow marsh]

yeah it is, just comes down to how much damage

[violet jackal]

Poison bomb is dopamine

[slow marsh]

I guess if you can get into nuts energy regen with dashing pb is a lot sexier

Also how quickly will we be able to stack amp poison

[thorn crater]

no ididnt

win shift and S doesnt work for me

[whole mason]

is PB considered nature DMG over time？

[royal lantern]

well, its nature dmg

and it does nature dmg over a specific time frame

[whole mason]

For lethal dose?

[slow marsh]

probably

[thorn crater]

https://gyazo.com/c73837014ad90285917ff2a5d1c9c79e how's this lookin

[balmy condor]

around 2.5-3 applications per second on average

[balmy condor]

looks good to me, I would maybe consider 1 point dashing instead of shrouded though

[subtle tundra]

remind me, what does amp poison do?

[brave gyro]

personally i'd never play raids without Cheat death but up to u, if you are confident enough

[balmy condor]

stacks to 15 then buffs the next envenom

[subtle tundra]

hmm

what about that in m+++

[brave gyro]

something something M+?

[slow marsh]

But would you ever play amp poison without dtb?

[balmy condor]

probably not

[balmy condor]

yes, you would

[subtle tundra]

would make envenom usable while you have enough dots to keep you energy capped

[slow marsh]

Interesting

[vast loom]

why? is it just a tuning thing vs deadly?

[balmy condor]

I like it, but I think you have to take dance

[balmy condor]

it's intended to be stronger than deadly

tuning aside

[dark token]

This m+ build is looking fucking fire

[vast loom]

oh ok

[bleak sky]

don't think you need vigor

[thorn crater]

i mean i get it , and ure prolly right for progression but if you dont want to run SHD its kind of a waste of talents no?

[balmy condor]

it's just meant to be better

[brave gyro]

probably, but just wanted to see what it'd look like without

[subtle tundra]

a DUMPSTER FIRE

[slow marsh]

GD is that a camera pic of a screen

[brave gyro]

yeah prob, i'd be getting big regen from bleeds

[balmy condor]

amp poison in m+

is a no

[subtle tundra]

yea

sure

cry

[dark token]

Yes

I'm not doing the talent tree on my phone

[vast loom]

wait take the amp poison and just swap to it for bosses 🙂

[dark token]

It's not very interactive

[thorn crater]

any of u wondering how expensive retalenting is gonna be XD

[dark token]

Didn't really have anything I like better

[vast loom]

win + shift + s and then paste into discord

[slow marsh]

Do we need a guide on how to screenshot pinned or something? Sheesh

[brave gyro]

in pvp will prob be nice, setting up some big bursts with juiced envenoms

[dark token]

Maybe atrophic poison

[balmy condor]

amp poison application is less damage than deadly re-application, and doesn't have a dot portion

are you willing to give up the entirety of deadly's dot damage

for a little bit of envenom damage

[subtle tundra]

sure, try to tell me why im wrong. i WILL listen

🤨

[dark token]

Wait I'm dumb I thought amp poison was in addition to deadly

Lol

Nvm that's trash

[balmy condor]

only with dragon tempered

[bleak sky]

we play this varas

trust

[dark token]

Yeah probably just going iron wire then

[slow marsh]

No lethality ?

[subtle tundra]

take deez 2 off

they bad

[bleak sky]

no you

[balmy condor]

okay now we're in just m+ brain slush territory

I'm gonna go

[subtle tundra]

LISTEN TO ME IM SMART

[bleak sky]

idk maybe who knows, for now I want deeper strats

[subtle tundra]

I AM SMAAAAAAAAART

[vast loom]

@balmy condor what do you think about vicious venom? i feel like its kinda meh buffing our low dmg builders