outlaw

[steel shadow]

im of the opposite opinion im so far gone i think m+ gear should have m+ resilience and be lower ilvl when youre not in keys but higher ilvl than mythic raid gear in keys so people who dont want to interact with x or y gamemodes dont have to

[random stirrup]

we do correct cross and they have 18 diff defensives pressable in cc or some other random stuff and then they die on a random out of cds go because we just crit our abilities

[glass shard]

i also agree with that

[minor thorn]

Doing arena to get a dumbass vers buff was a thing. Or faming BGs for Blood of the Enemy

[glass shard]

i hate pve gearing generally

pvp gearing is so chill

get currency -> buy item

craft item for better stats

cinema

nooooooo i have to use 10 bonus rolls on mythic boss for my specific bis piece

[zinc briar]

why is ppl here talking about pvp?

[glass shard]

so boring

[gaunt phoenix]

wynaut

[zinc briar]

is this league of legends or something like that?

wow has pvp?

duels=

?

[wintry solar]

We should just get rid of gear all together and not have a world to be in and only have LFG for raiding and mythics

[steel shadow]

some pvpers on my realm today asked me to craft them rings and i was a complete homie and said ok lemme make a toon on illidan to buy the pattern for you and i did that for 5k and when i logged back over he was in an rbg and made me wait for it to end and then after it ended he tipped me 1k gold for a craft that cost 450 concentration

[glass shard]

tournament realm for everything

[mighty pivot]

if pvp is allowed in here then so should wordle

[gaunt phoenix]

only thing i know about pvp is that the pvp channel hits the most amount of slur filters

[steel shadow]

blow up all pvpers

[wintry solar]

Teehee

[glass shard]

pvp generates 0 gold lol

[wintry solar]

PvP generates so much gold

[glass shard]

no it doesnt lol

[zinc briar]

boosting

[wintry solar]

Hit gold cap easily

[glass shard]

me when i get my box after 5 wins with a grey that sells for 4 gold

HOLY

[minor thorn]

Pvp and Pve both generate 0 gold unless you boost

[wintry solar]

People pay egregious amounts of gold for just 2100

[steel shadow]

if the tip is less gold per concentration than i can get just making kaleidoscope prisms or something AND i went out of my way to get the pattern specifically for you

[glass shard]

i didnt rly consider boosting ye

[steel shadow]

idk that seems like bad manners

[glass shard]

how is the guy supposed to know what it costs u and the opportunity cost it brings

[wintry solar]

If I needed gold id sell arena carries fo sho

[glass shard]

i play healer so carrying is hard

[wintry solar]

I may do that actually

[mighty pivot]

if you have a fee then set a fee, don't hide it under "tip"

[minor thorn]

If I needed gold I'd just buy a token

[wintry solar]

[inland acorn]

If I needed gold, I would just gamble during break time in raid

[glass shard]

real

noooo i said u can pay anything why are u pying me 9 gold!!!!

[wintry solar]

32 copper, take it or leave it

[steel shadow]

i dont want to be a jagoff and request people pay a ton esp because i play on a super dead realm i just assume its like basic etiquette

[random stirrup]

the real answer is that people pay more generally when you say tip anything

[steel shadow]

you get 5k gold a week from a quest that takes 30 seconds

[random stirrup]

but sometimes you get boned

[glass shard]

ok then suffer

idk

[mighty pivot]

you clearly have a minimum amount in mind, though. just ask for that

[glass shard]

im that guy

i give u 500g

do ur 1 click take ur gold or i give the next guy 500g

[random stirrup]

if you ask a minimum tip then you are always going to get a minimum tip

[glass shard]

i dont care !

[steel shadow]

do u do professions at all

[glass shard]

no

[odd flax]

i tip 5k every craft

[wintry solar]

I do my own professions, I could probably make money crafting people's stuff but eh

[steel shadow]

the 1 click to make the 500 gold is less than the 1500 id make if i spend that concentration on something else

[wintry solar]

Too many menus in wow atm

[minor thorn]

I tip 420g 69s every craft

[steel shadow]

u dont just have infinite crafts unless youre rly late into the xpac

[glass shard]

ok then click decline craft idk

[steel shadow]

concentration is a limited resource

[glass shard]

im the customer it is NOT my problem how u allocate ur resources

[wintry solar]

Oh so blood diamonds for your rings?

Hope the haste was worth

[steel shadow]

if you cant drop 15 or 20k a season on tipping crafters idk whats going on with your wow finances but it aint good

[glass shard]

i log in

i do keys

i log out

[random stirrup]

I just burn money every season playing the game until boosts hit

[steel shadow]

get enchanting

disenchant key loot

[minor thorn]

Too busy spending 100-150k a season on pots and flasks

[wintry solar]

That's a quarter of the cost to 1600

Ja

Ja

Js

[random stirrup]

I think I am down 1.5M this expac or something

good times

[glass shard]

sounds like something i dont wanna engage in

so crafters get 500g

crafters are so funny

legit print infinite money

nooo my 1k gold :/

[steel shadow]

you dont understand the system and are too lazy to disenchant items

[random stirrup]

The ones crafting gear don't print infinite money btw

[steel shadow]

how do u have an opinion on this

[random stirrup]

that was only true during lariat era

[steel shadow]

much less such a strong one

[mighty pivot]

this works the other way too. If you can't survive some people tipping you low

[wintry solar]

You don't become a millionaire by not being frugal. That 1k adds up

[pearl trout]

i mean, if it such a big deal crafters can just set a fee instead of expecting a tip

[glass shard]

i dont think theres a single crafter guy that only does 2 profs on 1 char

[wintry solar]

You want a carry to 1800? Free of charge

For the publicity

[steel shadow]

i made the guy his rings i just told him that tipping 1k esp when i had to buy the pattern specifically for him (he was desperate and in trade for hours) was rude

[random stirrup]

I think you overestimate just how many orders and money you get

[opal raven]

how come one dungeon i can cos grim chorus in seat of triumvirat and the next one when i cos it i died ?? im really confused here

[mighty pivot]

did he know you bought it just for him? And isn't that risk your fault instead of his?

[glass shard]

my irl friend does crafting as his only wow content so i have not a mega delusional view of it

[random stirrup]

I do all profs so i can craft everything for myself for convenience, in the past i did sweat with the addons and taking all the orderes

unless you work from home and sit there for literal hours you're not going to be making any real money

[steel shadow]

i told him before he sent them that i was going to log onto illidan to buy it for him because my dead realm had it at 20k so yes he knew i was going the extra mile for him

[glass shard]

aint that kinda a you problem tho

u didnt have to do that

[mighty pivot]

yup

[glass shard]

if u do it out of niceness

why expect compensation for that

feeding the homeless with 50$ steaks but also let me put it on youtube

[random stirrup]

tbf i would consider this a business expense since you keep the recipe for the future

and can make money from it in the future

[steel shadow]

if your waitress goes the extra mile do you give her the same tip as any other waitress

[random stirrup]

if you had to drop conc too maybe its a bit cringe

[mighty pivot]

the game feeds you so much gold too, whether you take 10k tip that one time or 1k makes 0 difference

[opal badger]

my first vault on rogue

[glass shard]

i dont tip

[minor thorn]

Yes

[glass shard]

im european

[mighty pivot]

tipping cultures

[steel shadow]

yeah the other 3 pvp players on Malorne-US are gonna be a gold mine

[glass shard]

so ur risk asesment is just bad ?

how is that the guys problem

[glass shard]

W t rinket

[mighty pivot]

so what did you want him to pay for it to be worth it? 20k to reimburse you?

[steel shadow]

i did the guy a huge solid on a personal level and he responded in a way that i believe was rude

if you dont tip waitresses i cba talking on the subject cause we have just inherently different worldviews and senses of entitlement

[glass shard]

"u have a different opinion than mine so i dont care to hear urs"

how much reddit karma do u h ave

[wintry solar]

Based

[steel shadow]

morally bankrupt opinion

[glass shard]

XD

this guy

[wintry solar]

There's only one correct opinion and it's mine btw

[gaunt phoenix]

maybe let's drop this

[glass shard]

https://tenor.com/view/artemis-ii-artemis-artemis-2-true-morgan-freeman-truth-nuke-gif-16227919027407124960

[mighty pivot]

no, this is better than asking if fb is better this patch!

[steel shadow]

unironically true

[glass shard]

real

[wintry solar]

We just gotta find a bug

Ezpz

It is buglaw after all

[minor thorn]

How do we feel about DK grip?

[wintry solar]

It's a grip

[mighty pivot]

I tip my DKs for each grip

[wintry solar]

I have a "Using my raid buff" macro in my bdk

For grip

[river zenith]

Hey all, i've got a quick question.

If I have main hand dagger 289 6/6 myth and off hand dagger 285 crafted, can i upgrade 272 fist weapon from vault to 285 for free?

[glass shard]

should yea

[minor thorn]

Yes

[glass shard]

saying "should" in case im wrong

#plausible deniablity

[mighty pivot]

it will be free yes 100%

[minor thorn]

I did it earlier this patch, so if it doesnt work now then its another bug

Which wouldn't be surprising

[glass shard]

im the ceo of that

[wintry solar]

I give advice and blame them

[glass shard]

any1 on eu wanna do 2s with my priesti n last season gear

[zinc briar]

someone tried fb in high key? 19-22

[wintry solar]

Their fault for listening to me

[glass shard]

i need conquest

[zinc briar]

tried

[glass shard]

i did in 18 does that count :/

even tho u explicitly mentioned 19

[proven surge]

Roll bug got giga worse since the update or is it me

[gaunt phoenix]

i havent seen it

[steel shadow]

if someone gives you advice and u take it and it ends bad its still ur fault

liberate advice givers

[gaunt phoenix]

skill issued it seems

[zinc briar]

yes, 18 also

[glass shard]

then yea

i did

it was crazy comfortable

[zinc briar]

was good?

[glass shard]

damage wise it felt similar too

less on bosses for sure

[proven surge]

yes bro most likely is!

[gaunt phoenix]

oh i disabled meekaura

thats why i didnt see it

[proven surge]

Nah but it's crazy, it disappeared like 5 times in 5 pulls

XD

it's ok! Fast nerf rogue! not fast fix!

[wintry solar]

There's a way we can do some reverse psychology to get them to buff outlaw more

I'm thinking about it

[glass shard]

community consensus is like

#1 thing

[wintry solar]

We can't claim a bug because we'd need proof

[glass shard]

what if we just mainhand shadowlands mh

and play like that

[wintry solar]

They'd know

There's gotta be something

[opal valve]

it's been worse for me since cloud cover patch. it's noticibely consistent on vanguard prog too

I've been having my shit disappear reappear 3-4 times on the same active buff.

[near rock]

No issues here so far

[arctic hollow]

Thrunderfury OH, simultaneousli sandbag us and buff other classes with the nature resist debuff

[glass shard]

holy

tech

real support class

[keen belfry]

idk what to roll on

gaze eludes me

[wintry solar]

O block?

[keen belfry]

i know chief keef

[glass shard]

pos ring mayhaps

or seat helm

[mighty pivot]

first roll seat helm

[keen belfry]

me thinking just seat helm ye

[random stirrup]

your gear sucks awangawangawang

[keen belfry]

mhmm

[random stirrup]

looking like foreverguy

not a good look!

[keen belfry]

wheres my weapon or helm or trinkets

why does my week 2 arms warrior have 2 mythi bis trinkets?

[near rock]

Stinky trinkets

[random stirrup]

my new red guy is like 4 pieces off full 289/myth crafted with 2 mythi bis trinkets

and 289 bis wep

and 3 of those missing slots come from pit

kinda crazy no

[keen belfry]

look this guy hit 90 like 9 days ago

[cinder relic]

He's more geared than me

[keen belfry]

and i still have 2 rolls to go send in pit

[random stirrup]

my dk would also have myth achievement if i didnt whiff in pit

ur a lil rat

🐀

[keen belfry]

ME??

[near rock]

Yeah man log off d4 and get some gear

[random stirrup]

no guy

[keen belfry]

ok good cuz im no rat

why did we gave our warlock myth gaze not me?

im raid lead gm loot council blaster extraordinaire and i didnt get it

[random stirrup]

RL trolling with those loot decision icl

[keen belfry]

i think ill be last one in guild with myth gaze no cap

[cinder relic]

Me logging into wow to manifest mythic gear

[radiant wyvern]

is aug with outlaw just trolling

ran a key with one and it felt like negative value

[keen belfry]

i think aug is pugs is just very bad

[glass shard]

felt fine to me

[worldly compass]

Bonus roll from vault into missing on 2/3 of the rolls 😄

[near rock]

https://tenor.com/view/lebron-james-satanic-ritual-gif-3304658659514866408

[keen belfry]

i think aug is just very very bad in random ass groups no cap

[glass shard]

augs are so turbo omega giga boosted xd

[keen belfry]

i think its a spec its hard tobe good at in legit random ass groups

[glass shard]

u can change "good" to "not dogshit griefer" in my key lvl

[radiant wyvern]

he wasnt a bad aug

[glass shard]

was ur metric vibes or logs

[radiant wyvern]

overall dmg

[glass shard]

so vibes cuz details and aug =

ive heard that aug and outlaw dont scale well together tho

[radiant wyvern]

ye I just mean I felt like I didn't do any more dmg than I normally would've
we dropped a war for the aug because my grp knew him and I was like bro

[cinder relic]

Idk I just do guild keys and aug feels solid honestly

I think genuinely most people are fucking terrible at aug

[glass shard]

real

[wintry solar]

I can say the same about mage

[cinder relic]

Idk if theres a term for it but its the same in all games

Some chartcers just attract bad players

Like yumi

Or mercy

[glass shard]

glacining at seeing if any aug is good or bad is also hard

cuz raid logs show u: was the grp good

xd

[cinder relic]

I just go based on timer

[glass shard]

actually real

rf chieftan

pogg

[cinder relic]

lliterally

[radiant wyvern]

was higher io than me atleast,

[keen belfry]

yes but a guild key in a WR top 50 or whatever guild it is is full of players who understand what other ppls specs do, i think geuinely no one knows how aug actually works in random lfg groups and u kinda have to play around it and stuff

i hate aug tho

[random stirrup]

like rogue

💯

[glass shard]

kinda shit metric

i'd be +200 io if i played aug just cuz im aug

= more invites = more dicerolls at completion

[cinder relic]

Yer thats my point

[radiant wyvern]

ii've played aug, we dont really have any big burst for the breath/duplicate window

[cinder relic]

I feel like a lot of noobs gravitate towards aug

Doesn't aug just DPS rotation now isnt it mega no thinking

[glass shard]

cuz no accountability for playing bad

look details = no info anyway

and its bm tier drooler friendly

[keen belfry]

ive just seen long videos about crazy aug tech in keys

like dps tech

[glass shard]

big fan that that exists tbh

do i just level augmentation evoker

or what

brewmaster monkanium perhaps

[random stirrup]

red guy

[glass shard]

hmmm

good comms

im scared ill like it tho

[strange kelp]

Yes but it's also pretty crit rng now as well, so performance also varies

[minor thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/pedro-pascal-mandalorian-laugh-cry-gif-21495683

[fresh acorn]

Aug benefits from over tuned specs, with ddh and uhdk getting nerf Aug inherently gets nerfed as well

[random stirrup]

udk nerf

[fresh acorn]

Ok man

[glass shard]

2 most nothingburger nerfs known to man

[random stirrup]

i walk into first pull pit still on that spec

[fresh acorn]

They’re still nerfs

[random stirrup]

we do one less pack than normal

im still 1.2M (in a 12)

shit is still giga broken busted

[fresh acorn]

Also can’t die

Image of feint generated energy based on damage taken

[haughty sparrow]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[vivid vessel]

why is sub doing more damage than outlaw

like a lot

after a 2.5% buff

sub players just refuse to play this spec unless it does 20% more damage than outlaw or what

[strange kelp]

Didn't they also change talents a bit?

[vivid vessel]

how does it do more damage than outlaw pre nerf

[random stirrup]

idk im sus that cloud bomb didnt work right in aoe

[fresh acorn]

I think part of it is the crit variance

[random stirrup]

the few times i played it in keys it just didnt feel much burstier

[vivid vessel]

whta ?

[random stirrup]

like it did in st

[vivid vessel]

it works wdym

you can legit just check the debuff

[random stirrup]

i have 0 proof

[vivid vessel]

proof is it works for law

[random stirrup]

but you definitely felt way more burst in st

while in aoe

[vivid vessel]

and law is the weird one

[random stirrup]

it felt the same

[vivid vessel]

not sub pressing bp

[radiant wyvern]

doesnt sub still get 3 stacks of fazed?

[random stirrup]

ya but its bad talent ick

[vivid vessel]

i think sub players are legit the biggest sandbagger every season

how can they keep saying sub is bad

worse than law

and then you get a 3.5% buff

and it does 10% more damage than outlaw

?

something not adding up here

[random stirrup]

that's what im saying

i think cloud cover was bricked in keys somehow

[vivid vessel]

nah bro

[random stirrup]

and the 3.5% is assuming it worked right

[vivid vessel]

you guys are just the biggest sandbagger

[random stirrup]

i do not play sub in keys if i can avoid it

do not put this on me

[vivid vessel]

ye thats my point

sub players dont play sub in keys

for whatever reason

[random stirrup]

ye its boring af

[vivid vessel]

legit refusal

unless it does 20% more damage than law

[radiant wyvern]

yeah but the downside is all the keyboards you have to replace from drooling on them after only pressing 2 buttons

[vivid vessel]

like this is crazy to me

[random stirrup]

u legit spam storm bp for 30 minutes straight

who wants to play that

[west ridge]

ME

[vivid vessel]

ye and in st you spam strike evis for 5min striaght

same shit

[random stirrup]

no its a lil different

[vivid vessel]

[random stirrup]

at least in raid u maybe think about cds a bit

idk

feels different

new sub is also boring in raid its just not as bad as in keys

i need to nap weave after each dungeon playing sub in keys

[radiant wyvern]

its legitimately a boring spec

it needs like 2 more buttons and rotational elements

[west ridge]

outlaw is just so freeing in keys

no cds

dmg all the time

though when i roll a one buff i wanna throw my pc to the trash

[vivid vessel]

id kbro this tilts me a bit

[fresh acorn]

They need to steal some thing from Mara for sub

[vivid vessel]

outlaw players are the only ones willing to play rogue in keys

[fresh acorn]

Malevolence or whatever would be cool

[vivid vessel]

and sub and assa players just perma complain their specs is unplayable in keys while being better than law

like what is this

just queue up lil bro

[radiant wyvern]

if u actually alternated for danse macabre it might be neat but its still not enough buttons

[random stirrup]

I had more fun on aug than sub in keys this season btw

it is that bad

and aug was big boring

[fresh acorn]

Yeah I think adding some sort of can’t press the same finisher twice thing would be neat

[vivid vessel]

I already find outlaw boring

Can't imagine playing sub

[random stirrup]

yeah outlaw was a 4/10 compared to sub's 1/10

love midnight class design

[floral crown]

assa is pretty 1/10 also no?

when I tried it, it felt like playing frost mage in vanilla

[vivid vessel]

Worse than the minigame

Whatever the name

I forgot

[random stirrup]

if i could color nameplates for dots i think assa would be like 3/10

[vivid vessel]

Fellowship

[vivid vessel]

I saw a tweet

About someone that did it

For sp?

Or was it shaman

[random stirrup]

idk there's magic chinese tech for all this stuff

[vivid vessel]

I think there might be some trickery

[random stirrup]

turns out i also like doing damage

[floral crown]

blizzards war on addons has been so dumb

[random stirrup]

and udk is a lot closer to tww sub than midnight sub is

im having fun

[vivid vessel]

I think you can guess the bleeds

Based on ability press

And debuff gained on plate

And have legit 100% accuracy

That's how I would do it at least

If I had to do it for law

[trim tiger]

is this any good for outlaw?

[oblique trench]

No

[trim tiger]

wondering if i should upgrade and run it over hc insignia and prism, sims saying it performs better but it felt worse when using it at equal ilvl

wait im stupid

sim settings were cooked

[fallow sapphire]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[gaunt phoenix]

Bug Alert

There is a bug where, if BtE procs the first Gravedigger effect, then it will consume Supercharger but not actually benefit from the +3 CPs.

Note it is the FIRST apex talent, where BtE buff has a 45% chance to apply twice

What is the damage loss -> about 2%

Do we still use Supercharger -> yes

Do we still hold BtE for SC -> yes, but it's worth like a whole 0.5% dps instead of 2%

How long has this been bugged -> probably a while, there were rumors about it, my bad for not investigating

Is this the end of the world -> no, the reason to pin bugs is for visibility. They have been on top of fixing bugs this xpac, have a little faith

This sounds familiar -> because apex 1 used to consume 2 superchargers, this time it consumes 1 but with no benefit

[keen belfry]

this one is back?

[gaunt phoenix]

different but close

[sacred rune]

i like the bug icon

[gaunt phoenix]

Apex 1 used to consume supercharger twice

now it consumes 1 but with no bonus

[keen belfry]

i see

[radiant wyvern]

thats beans man

[west ridge]

@gaunt phoenix you dont have to apologize for anything king

[gaunt phoenix]

i mean i kinda did ignore it

[glass shard]

do u get paid to look at stuff

or no

[sacred rune]

you found it now,

[gaunt phoenix]

yes (no)

[glass shard]

then u dont owe it to anybody bro

[random stirrup]

how many outlaw damage conspiracies do you get presented with tho

[chilly fjord]

!prekey

[gaunt phoenix]

meh not a whole lot

[ornate heath]

• Use Adrenaline Rush to activate Loaded Dice.
• As Trickster, use KS to activate Disorienting Strikes.
• Do NOT use RTB before the key, you will lose it.
• Use SND during the bubble once the key starts.

[keen belfry]

ill never forget my first pull windrunner spire had us all thinking we were bugged sometimes

solo investigated

said

bad

[wintry solar]

I knew I wasn't crazy...

[glass shard]

its called target cap big dawg

[buoyant cosmos]

unluck

[keen belfry]

on a 10 target pull? nah cuh it was just the worst crit rng ever

[wintry solar]

Not like it matters to me though, I got Diablo 4

[zinc briar]

bug alert, invisible rolls, bte works with delay in range, using ar from inv pulls the target, blablabla

bf doing damage to dead mobs etc etc etc

[buoyant cosmos]

Was the winning move to just not play at all?

[zinc briar]

lalalalala

[glass shard]

does it not make sense taht it has delay

shadowbolt has delay

google.com projectile

[formal knot]

i knew there was a damage conspiracy against outlaw when i did bad damage on first pull of seat today (i was in singletarget talents)

[wintry solar]

D4?

[glass shard]

d4 bad

[buoyant cosmos]

Wow

[wintry solar]

I literally just got it

0h

[wind pond]

d4 bad (trash)

[zinc briar]

google physics, when a bullet was that slow

[buoyant cosmos]

Do you guys not have phones?

[gaunt phoenix]

i knew outlaw was oversimming by 28% (its 2%)

[wintry solar]

Naw, it depends on how content you are with being mid

You gotta like outlaw to be playing it rn

[random stirrup]

aha but solo i said I could hit my sim semi consistently if not accounting for the raid buff which was 3% at the time

I was a knower

[gaunt phoenix]

true

[buoyant cosmos]

I've been a one trick for years, but shadow is kinda cranking for like 1/3 of the effort lol

[glass shard]

when polymorph irl?

[wintry solar]

Well that's step one, step two is finding out if you can play without crackshot

[buoyant cosmos]

I chase the 4+ reset

[zinc briar]

lets ignore physics then, matrix rogue pov

slow bullets

[buoyant cosmos]

my outlaw is bis'd out sans mythic raid kills, I'll try some again tonight

[wintry solar]

Go my child

Commit crime

[ancient cobalt]

so i can drop cloud cover and ignore it right?

[keen belfry]

ye

u dont have to be in it to refresh

if thats what u mean by drop

[ancient cobalt]

ya

ok noicee

[hazy temple]

@gaunt phoenix do we care about the change to this talent? "Trickster: No Scruples crit chance bonus increased to 12% (was 10%)."

[mighty pivot]

some outlaw forgor to switch their plume to crit on crown i won't snitch though

[ancient cobalt]

but do i still want to be in it as long as possible to start?

or does that not matter

[vivid vessel]

who was it

[mighty pivot]

I said I won't snitch!

[vivid vessel]

ok brb

im snitching

[mighty pivot]

not hard to find out though

[vivid vessel]

2 pi wtf?

digusting !

[wintry leaf]

So did Outlaw get buffed in overall DMG or was it a wash from the cloud nerf

[vivid vessel]

no its a nerf

2%

[wintry leaf]

Eek

[buoyant cosmos]

where tompelvis

[vivid vessel]

i havent recleared since i killed beloren

[mighty pivot]

zac is a sub rogue main now

[vivid vessel]

yuh

[vivid vessel]

i play law on lura tho

im proud to say this might be the tier i played the most outlaw in

[mighty pivot]

ty cloud cover, very cool

[buoyant cosmos]

L'ura prison got hands

[glass shard]

no sleight of hand feels terrible

[livid pewter]

holy dawg... is the que kinda overloaded by dps today or why i aint gettin invites into 10s with 3,6k io ?

[gaunt phoenix]

nah, cloud cover still ahead for us

[strange kelp]

It's all people at the same io farming bonus rolls

You join a 10 and it's a full group of resil 18s lol

[random stirrup]

I got declined from 4 10s in a row on my 3700io 285 udk

[sick valve]

what build on void mythic first boss st?

[random stirrup]

sometimes it be like that

[gaunt phoenix]

aoe build will parse, but it's kinda just pad

[leaden hazel]

Funny how solo says "my bad for not investigating" as if he is payed to beta test the spec 😂

I just laugh at the state of world of betacraft

[gaunt phoenix]

maybe i am

[leaden hazel]

Hope you are

[fluid meadow]

what's wrong with log? another run seems ok

[gaunt phoenix]

hacking

Idk sometimes logs bug out

[fluid meadow]

1st time i see rn after reset in multiple logs, never before

[fair charm]

I dropped kir and took slight for a while, and I like it…. too bad I’m almost certain it’s a dps loss.

[glass shard]

i like kir too much to dorp it

[fathom bramble]

I think this is the first time I killed a final boss and law was just the objectively correct choice

Not just arguably better or just as good

[vivid vessel]

ye

tho idk if after the nerfs/buffs thats still true

but oh well

[fathom bramble]

Yeah maybe

[vivid vessel]

was true for 2 weeks !

[fathom bramble]

If I had no seed though I would have obliterated these sub rogues on boss dam

I’m sure of it

Losing 2% should could put us back at arguable though

Unfortunately

[vivid vessel]

they gain 3.5

also

so like

[fathom bramble]

Yeah

[vivid vessel]

more if they play ds i think

[fathom bramble]

We got our 2 weeks

Our next 2 weeks is in like 2-3 expacs or somethin

[vivid vessel]

ne when outlaw is (maybe?) the correct choice on a boss for more than 1 week

cant believe we managed to buff sub but nerf law

sub was already better than law in legit everyu scenario prolly

even in keys

its fine next season we get the favoerable tuning

[fallow sapphire]

so how is overall for u? has u played it mine i feel pretty shit but then ag im not a good outlaw player i just swap like last week

[vivid vessel]

i mean outlaw isnt bad

or rather idk

its been worse

there is prolly like 10 better specs above it

assa and sub being 2 of them also prolyl

[fallow sapphire]

i just do a 17 AA im the bottom dps on the first pack

[vivid vessel]

ssub players are just all disabled so they cant enter a key specced as sub without getting a cancer

and assa players all rerolled to dk for keys

[fallow sapphire]

for me sub is just boring

[vivid vessel]

so there is no assa or sub player in keys

[fallow sapphire]

after i swap i have fun as rogue since i not just pressing the same button over and over ag

[arctic merlin]

is this a ragebait

[fallow sapphire]

i mean i do press over and over but not the same as sub ig

[long bramble]

Idk i did some keys with a friend of mine main sub and I pretty much gapped gin every key

[real sandal]

sup pirates, for ST does trickster still ahead of fatebound?

[fallow sapphire]

bonus roll time kek

[long bramble]

But idk if it s player gap

[gaunt phoenix]

ye

[marble dock]

Do we know which of the rogue specs is the “best” now in keys?

[vivid vessel]

cool he sucked

i saw what casual can do as sub

i can tell you its at worse as good as law

at best its better

yet sub players act like their spec is unplayable in keys every season

cause they are raid one trick

not capable of entering a key

[fallow sapphire]

yeah i saw too he basically top dps

[long bramble]

I think sub fits better in meta comps

Thanks to cds

In phys comp i don’t think sub it’s better (i hope at least)

[vivid vessel]

sure

you know feral has cds

its not like we are pulling drastically different

[long bramble]

Bro I have to bring some copium for our spec

[vivid vessel]

ye

gl

[fallow sapphire]

well we have fun for 1 week ig

https://tenor.com/view/clueless-aware-twitch-forsen-emote-gif-25354609

[long bramble]

But I still think assa is the best spec in keys

[fathom bramble]

I wonder what % of the sub playerbase don’t know that their st spells don’t all cleave anymore

Because I encountered one in a 12

That was just hitting st spells like it was last expac

[long bramble]

Nah bro they love to hit that black powder

I m sure

[fathom bramble]

Most of them know

Surely

[frail veldt]

yeah if they dont know they will find out quickly

when they are doing piss damage in aoe

like theres no way they dont realize

[long bramble]

How do we parse on chimaerus?

[fathom bramble]

Probably have to get off the boss and have fewer people hit adds

[frail veldt]

yeah how do you go hit the adds if youre in the non ghost realm

without just killing everyone

[fathom bramble]

But melee running out is just meh

And dangerous

[long bramble]

I mean you can go down every soak no?

With cloak

[fathom bramble]

Never tried

If you can then yes that would be a way to parse

[frail veldt]

I spend too much time saving my pug group from wiping to fear

[fathom bramble]

Assuming you don’t have a few giga burst aoe specs taking it all

[long bramble]

Idk last week i was with 3 devourer on 1st soak

They all kept meta

We went down

Mobs literally disappeared

[leaden summit]

Hello, how do you sim as outlaw? patchwerk or dungeonslice?

[fathom bramble]

Stay on boss the entire time and sort logs to boss dam 👌

[near rock]

type shit

[vivid vessel]

i only see 0s

[long bramble]

Idk i m a son of a bitch I like to do these useless greedy things

[vivid vessel]

noob

[long bramble]

Gonna try it today

[near rock]

just need to r1 lura for the grand sweep

[fathom bramble]

Gl

If you have no seed should be free I think

[near rock]

ye no seed

[fathom bramble]

Only 3 laws have killed it

[vivid vessel]

nah you kinda blasted lok no?

124k in p1

idk about p3 number i cant read it but

[fathom bramble]

I kinda of did

But seed forces so much extra focus away from playing the spec

[vivid vessel]

124k is high roll a bit so it might not be an easy r1 to steal

[fathom bramble]

And can force you out of melee range in p1 and intermission

[vivid vessel]

maybe you didnt hgih roll in p3 tho

[long bramble]

If I m not hitting both dragons with my bf is tanks fault right?

[fathom bramble]

On myth yes

[near rock]

well we'll have turbo boost weps and more weekly buff by then

[vivid vessel]

true

altoguh lok

i think its kinda weird cause

in p3 seed carriers

dont do shit

lol

they are the reason you wipe for the whole progress in p1 intermission p2

[fathom bramble]

Yeah that’s a little true

[vivid vessel]

and then p3 is the opposite

its kinda funny

and p3 is damage amp so

what if you got the easy job

[fathom bramble]

Well as the furthest clockwise seed I also briefly lose uptime in spots where a non seed carrier wouldn’t so idk

Could just follow boss all of p3 instead of leading the boss

Probably why ranged dhs and healers often have the seed I have in p3

[vivid vessel]

really

i dont get when

[fathom bramble]

After first drop and on initial boss spawn

It’s not like major downtime but idk

It’s something

[vivid vessel]

oh initial boss spawn

i can see it

if you aint the one close to boss

im spawning opposite of boss lok

they put me there

prison

[fathom bramble]

And then I can’t just double hook

Because I have a seed

[vivid vessel]

1 have to double hook to boss

[fathom bramble]

And will leave my friends behind

[vivid vessel]

ye

should have asked for melee see tho idk

sounds troll

[random stirrup]

playing atrophic on lura

[fathom bramble]

This is technically the melee seed I think

Or maybe it’s more accurate to say there is no melee seed in p3

Since people give them to healer/dh often

Idk

[vivid vessel]

ye but idk

if i was a seed carrier

[fathom bramble]

I didn’t look at a ton of other guilds

[random stirrup]

our dh wanted to swap havoc but there were concerns about melee seed stuff

[vivid vessel]

i would have asked to change it up

[random stirrup]

it seems like you need to be the first to drop no?

or else the uptime is cooked

[fathom bramble]

Other 2 seed carriers are evokers and are much better 1st 2nd drops in p3

For us

Since they can’t really breathe with a seed as easily

[sacred rune]

@vivid vessel #transmog message

[fathom bramble]

Definitely could have been a more optimal way to arrange it but like

You also want consistently good players on seed

[random stirrup]

did you upload your kill? im just curious since we only just swapped to melee seed

[fathom bramble]

And that’s me

[fathom bramble]

Just logs

And a few kill povs that aren’t me

[random stirrup]

unlucko

[wide heath]

so has anyone tested FB in raid ?

[fathom bramble]

This is one of the other seed carriers on my side https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zrqmr-LrlI

On the kill

[random stirrup]

I will send this to our melee guy so he may study up

ty

[valid hound]

yo guys, take weap and upgrade it (currently have crafted) or take vest (catalyst + myth crests)?

i think better to take weap because it drops less often

[fathom bramble]

Make sure you actually have the same planned boss position and stuff as we do

There is def more than 1 way to have a melee seed in p3

Melee seed/boss are furthest from the pie slice/spawn for us

[random stirrup]

we are in the same spot as you are

[hallow mica]

how is outlaw dps compared to arms lets say?

[hardy wigeon]

alhamdulillah god is great

[rose chasm]

you guys using the Adamantite Whetstones for Weapon DMG or the regular Oil?

[frail veldt]

I'm hooked on phoenix

[shell fossil]

i could ditch phoenix but ye

[arctic merlin]

what level mythic do i need to do to get a myth track item

for neb core

[shell fossil]

lil extra haste is honestly nice when you're running out

[fathom bramble]

10

[rose chasm]

yeah i somehow convinced myself that my dmg is much higher when i use the Bugged out Whetstones for 4 Weapon DPS but its probably BS 😄

its 4 weapon dmg actually, not 4 dps

[glass shard]

bug abuser.

[rose chasm]

it ain't abusing if anyone can just grab one right? 😉

[glass shard]

?xdd

[true dust]

hey do i read radiant plume right? I can just transform it into umbral plume?

[rose chasm]

yes

[true dust]

nice, ty

good bye crucible!

[glass shard]

if u have like

avoidancen on it

and u swap it

does it retain it?

[rose chasm]

thats actually a good question 😄

[still matrix]

Are we playing dancing steel on paladins mythic?

[arctic merlin]

so for pit

do i set my look to assa/sub?

for the dagger

[glass shard]

yea

[still matrix]

actually we dont need DS i think

ill test

[manic prawn]

Can anyone give me a super basic tdlr on how to play this whilst lvling 80-90 in delves What do i spam, i am so lost on rogue

[silent edge]

Is it still better to have dagger in OH? Just got a 2nd myth Fist Weapon from bonus roll sadge

[long barn]

~1%

[cinder relic]

Make sure RTB is up
SS to build, PS if you get a proc
Spend with BTE > KS > Dispatch as priority
Use cooldowns like AR/BR on CD

[arctic merlin]

what's recommended for crafted items - weapon and a leather piece? i saw the faq

wowhead says ring and remove weapon enchant

[burnt dragon]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[long barn]

Blade flurry on CD when targets 3+

[cinder relic]

yeer

[stone frost]

How's Outlaw feeling post-patch? I'm assuming mostly the same?

[arctic merlin]

love being able to play fb, honestly i'm doing quite a bit more

[stone frost]

Oh reaaarrryy?

[long barn]

Check the pins

[stone frost]

I played FB when I initially tried outlaw and it felt poopy. Didn't come back until the last big buff

[arctic merlin]

not to mention that for some reason every time i play fb my rtb rolls are insane, but that might just be me

trickster is better, esp in aoe

but they're close enough for me to not care

[long barn]

FB your getting more ADR and loaded dice likely due to energy

[stone frost]

I play with the 20% bonus talent and if I don't have the AR buff, I ALWAYS roll a 1

That's pretty much the only thing I hate about outlaw

[long barn]

Good gameplay you can actually never roll a 1

[stone frost]

I wish they'd just make a 4th DPS build for all the pure dps specs so we can have combat back

Yeah if you always have AR buff and KIR immediately even if it's a 2

[long barn]

But that requires you to accept RIR on 2x roll

[stone frost]

Yeah

I try to save it for 3+ but maybe that's the move

[long barn]

No one wants that lol

[stone frost]

Lol yeah exactly

[arctic merlin]

you kir on 3

[stone frost]

I always save for 3+

[long barn]

In my experience, and I’m a noob. I like to use it on 2x if, 3 conditions are met. ADR still has a shit load cd left, and prep is not close to being up and I have no teas.

[stone frost]

That's not a bad idea

[long barn]

Because if you land a 1….

[stone frost]

I usually do that when I know the boss is gonna die before I can get a KIR

[long barn]

And those are the case.

You might as well afk

[stone frost]

1 should have +energy regen on top of it to make up for the.....nothingness

[long barn]

I suppose you could make the case if your in 3+ targets as well for BF

[stone frost]

Or add the energy regen back to blade rush

[long barn]

BR does give energy

[stone frost]

Oh shit it does lmao

I didn't notice it's in white lettering

25 of 5 sec seems extremely minimal

[long barn]

Take it or leave it lol

[pastel cedar]

is there a way in warcraft logs to view what is buffing a spell when its casted

[long barn]

Tier set might also add to it can’t remember

[pastel cedar]

trying to figure out how someones BTE is higher when we have the same agility and crit stat

[dark solstice]

Can u soak orbs of different color with cloak on Bird boss ?

[glacial drum]

We still playing cloud cover in trickster st?

[stone frost]

No

[turbid robin]

what best for outlaw ?

fate or trickster

[glass shard]

same for keys trickster bit better for raid

practically

anyway

[unkempt iris]

Whatever you prefer, trickster will pull ahead on the massive pulls but its not that big of a difference so play which one you want first which benefits you prefer more

[rustic birch]

Rotation and prio basically the same for both right? They just have different passives?

[craggy barn]

some minor differences in build and spender rules

fate can send dispatch at 5cp

trick only sends ks at 5

and fate doesnt use ks

[hardy garden]

do we send bte at 6 cp on bte reset?

[arctic hollow]

yes

[hardy garden]

ty

[ancient cobalt]

was there a funky opp rule when at 5 cp to build to bte

[vivid vessel]

trickster always build at 5 cp

you dont ifnish at 5

[ancient cobalt]

or is it just like 3 op = ss, 6 op ps

[true jackal]

https://imgur.com/EVRehLn

[vivid vessel]

ps gives 4cp

so you press ss at 4 cp or more

but ps under that

ps at 3 cp will cap you on cp

[upper hawk]

i htink they are asking about diff opportunity stack levels

if you need to build and you have 6 opp, always press PS

if you ahve 3 opp, only press PS at 1, 2 or 3 combo points

[ancient cobalt]

always ss above 4? regardless of ps stacks? like if im at 5 cp want to build at any opp stacks im just gonna ss?

if theres no rule on the opp stack we up ima ss my lil heart away

[vivid vessel]

no you can ps at 6 stacks

happens quite rarely tho

[ancient cobalt]

i see ok

ty ty

[buoyant cosmos]

MC'd himself off lol

[true jackal]

Massive dps group 👆

[sleek cedar]

in what cases we swap to atack / cast-slow poision ?

[ancient cobalt]

somehow if the boss swing at ya tanks crazy style in raid

its p good in m+ already im sure a keyer would know what dungeons its op in if any

[regal saffron]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

• Use Adrenaline Rush to activate Loaded Dice.
• As Trickster, use KS to activate Disorienting Strikes.
• Do NOT use RTB before the key, you will lose it.
• Use SND during the bubble once the key starts.

[outer meteor]

@keen belfry war key?

quick lil resilient keystone

[inner meadow]

outlaw lowkey blasting on alleria

[ancient cobalt]

i have begun my journey rolling seat of the triumvirate

[keen belfry]

wat key

im scarted

[flat karma]

is the move still to prep on pull on Alleria if we bl in p2? i guess only one use if i hold

[outer meteor]

mt 20

layne had to go

need a new war

[keen belfry]

debating

maybe

i havent been in a 19 on this guy!

[outer meteor]

up to you

[buoyant cosmos]

It's only +1, how much worse could it be 🙂

[keen belfry]

ionv

inv

[buoyant stratus]

Make sure u die to tornados 6 times

Wait wrong key

Mt not mc

[random stirrup]

die to tornados?

is this some non dk stuff im hearing

[keen belfry]

charr was getting farmed by twisters

2012 vibes

[random stirrup]

on 19 it didnt even do half my hp

[buoyant cosmos]

DK soak storming? Nah never.

[random stirrup]

ams? still up. character? immuned the knockup

its like it never happened

[buoyant cosmos]

https://tenor.com/view/sassy-big-lez-show-wadiyatalkinabeet-what-are-you-talking-about-tell-me-gif-8526583

[cerulean portal]

hows FB guys?

[ashen vortex]

Hello guys, I wonder if we stay in trickter or we switch to fatebound ?

[cerulean portal]

st still sucks?

[craggy barn]

trickster is still ahead

and comes with perma tricks

which is infinite dps gain

[craggy barn]

awang

did u get a warrior to message me in a key

wtf

[keen belfry]

hes in my guild

[craggy barn]

i know

i got gapped by drood in first pull aa

😭

[long bramble]

do we have any good vod as outlaw on dragons? i want to understand if i m trolling or my tanks are trolling

[buoyant cosmos]

unlimited griefing potential as well.

[craggy barn]

i assume zac did dragons as law

[hasty notch]

if I'm stuck with ilvl 263 champion weapon is that hurting my dps a lot?

[long bramble]

yes

[craggy barn]

biggest dps increase is mh weapon

[buoyant cosmos]

Probably impossible to overstate how good a MH wep is in this game lol

[craggy barn]

myth craft if not myth track

anything else is big dps loss

[hasty notch]

ok ty ill try to farm a new weapon

[buoyant cosmos]

Just craft a sword

[hasty notch]

gotta save up the mythic dawncrests

[buoyant cosmos]

fair

[hasty notch]

i have crafted dagger in off hand

[outer meteor]

u dont fw the mog?

[keen belfry]

gooner bro

[outer meteor]

just so u know

uve been replaced by giofiveseven

[buoyant stratus]

I think wangwar clears gio

Ngl

[heavy shadow]

Any of you spare a quick min, how do you setup NSRT for Lura?

[keen belfry]

wangwar will be the 2nd highest war dps in na

[wind pond]

is crafting engineering goggles to hit haste softcap common

since our set helm is shit anyway

[real sandal]

So the fatebound tree is also relevant besides trickster in m+ ?

[gusty dew]

@vivid vessel zac what addon do u use to get that full combo points sound alert

[daring yoke]

I hope they fix delayed grave refund on big bosses as well

[grim spear]

[nova blaze]

yoyo, how far is fatebound behind trickster now ?

[frail veldt]

couple percent

pins have more verbose info

[nova blaze]

sick, finally we can play fun spec again

[heavy shadow]

can someone explain why in the pull we need to SnD? doesn't it just apply automatically in seconds anyway

[arctic merlin]

had an amazing pos with fb, but then again there was an aug and a warrior no the team

[cinder relic]

it applies on dispatch

and in ur opener ur doing BTE until prep, bte again, and then KS

so if you don't, you are missing a lot of SND uptime

[arctic merlin]

only dispatch, so you need to either dispatch beforehand or predung

[ebon solar]

bois how we feelin after the changes this week

[arctic merlin]

great

[ebon solar]

so what was it? like 2percent nerf?

[arctic merlin]

we're def not stronger, but def we've got a lil more freedom with what we want to go with without being punished

[keen belfry]

@outer meteor did u time with gio?

[arctic merlin]

yeah, overall 2%

[worn patrol]

quick question, is there anything significant in pit of saron I can use cloak on?

[craggy barn]

last boss puddles

[worn patrol]

the blue or green ones?

[craggy barn]

both

better on the blue ones

[worn patrol]

aight thanks 😄

[craggy barn]

but u can position both if coordinated

[tight kernel]

AR prepull doesnt get rid of buff?

[arctic hollow]

No, only supercharged CP above 2 and CP get reset

[outer meteor]

hell nah

i kept that healer for some reason

i shouldnt have

he was very questionable

[keen belfry]

ye dawn is an inta

[craggy barn]

bro why are all these pvpers doig keys all of a sudden

[outer meteor]

somehow pugging my 20s is harder than 21s

[vivid vessel]

no addon thats base game

[nova blaze]

on fatebound do we fire bte on 5 aswell or is that a nogo. do we then dispatch instead of bte at 5 or do we build to 7 ?

[gaunt phoenix]

you build to 6-7 and bte

[nova blaze]

aight thx 🫡

[ancient cobalt]

ty to the wa for rtb buff

[daring yoke]

Does anyone here have a reliable way to track if AR cd is 30 secs or less efficiently? Maybe when AR is ready in 30 secs play a visual indicator or plays a sound?

[arctic hollow]

Pretty sure you cant

[nova blaze]

i made my cd manager real big so the ar cd stings my eye from the corner

[daring yoke]

I was thinking that could probably be my only option

[peak dock]

Dude jokes aside thanks for all the work you are doing for this beautiful spec

You and all the people that helps you actually

[gaunt phoenix]

[spare dome]

I'm waiting for the plot twist that solo is actually they bad guy gatekeeping outlaw from being good

[glass breach]

Wdym Solo intentionally withheld the gravedigger bug until after the patch so now when they fix it we get another little buff. He's a hero

[spare dome]

Thats what he wants you to think

[glass breach]

So proud to see this community finally start fighting dirty, using Warlock tactics to get buffs

[frail veldt]

what do we think blizz's unit test coverage is like?

[frail veldt]

solo's honestly half the reason I keep coming back

the one season we lost him was dark

[dim parrot]

I always blast first half of MT

But get rinsed the second half

Anyone else or just me

[glass breach]

I find the exact opposite actually

[ancient cobalt]

they gave us gear too fast

[frail veldt]

how do you gather that

[glass breach]

I was told I was elitest for saying that

[ancient cobalt]

i got too much gear man

i cant even upgrade it all

[midnight granite]

anyone running shadow damage neck + rings from nexus

is it worth? 🙂

[dim parrot]

No

[tired rune]

where are you king

[tight kernel]

this good>?

[midnight granite]

4 seconds is a long time 🙂

[frail veldt]

So it's too slow

[ancient cobalt]

no bro its too fast

i have all the pieces

[dim parrot]

What is this even

[frail veldt]

Well that's only an issue cuz you can't upgrade it haha

[dim parrot]

So instead of AR getting 5 secs of CD time over 5 secs it gets 15?

Like 1 finisher

[kind onyx]

im struggling to understand outlaw, i just geared up ( a lot more to get )
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/malganis/pandars
any one can help me figure out what im doing wrong?

[dim parrot]

Did u read FAQ channel and practice rota on dummies

[kind onyx]

yeah at least i thought i did

so im not sure what i did incorectly

[tight kernel]

a talent

[hearty stump]

I heard a rumor they increased the outlaw aura buff, are we back on top??

[dim parrot]

Tuning is neutral to two weeks ago

[midnight granite]

no it's not

its -2%

[dim parrot]

270 is cheeks ilvl for parsing

[kind onyx]

i still only got 40 parse for my ilvl

[frail veldt]

Both wrong it's -2% st but neutral aoe slight increase at certain target count

[midnight granite]

[haughty moat]

whats the smartest way to earn hc crests on alts?

[lean shadow]

Hey guys is fatebound still 2% better?

[midnight granite]

cap myth crests

[haughty moat]

oof still 400 missing

[long bramble]

i heard ritual sites tier 5