outlaw

[proven surge]

Rogue do low damage (盗贼伤害垃圾). same parse as arms war (评分红色，和武器战一样). Bring shame to guild (公会之耻). M+ instant decline (大秘秒拒). I stand in city like NPC (刪除此類)

[deft mason]

any believers

[gloomy moat]

is there a moment where you get a good dice roll and its better to cast sinister strike instead of prcced pistol shots? i feel like when i get Jackpot, sinister strikes give more combo points and feel more fluid but im not sure how it calculates damage wise

[ashen void]

I think this will help #1276307559061524652 message

[gloomy moat]

ahh okay so as Fatebound, thank you!!!

[gaunt phoenix]

only with stage 2+, 1 combo point and 3 stacks of opp

you ss instead of ps

[daring yoke]

I guess with general rule for rtb is that try to aim not to get stage 1 at all? Hence u play around kir and loaded dice to minimize that

[slim hare]

Maisara Caverns
Resolved an issue causing Hollow Soulrender's Frost Nova to occasionally inflict damage at the incorrect location.

[fast valve]

Yo, I've mainly been playing assa and sub so far in midnight. But i want to dip my toes back into outlaw, does anyone know if there is any good addon or way to track the different buffs now. I dont want to memorize all the different icons for the buffs i just want a square that tells me like 1, 2, 3 or 4 for the different buff stages

[slim hare]

no skyreach fix

but its a start

[slim hare]

purple bad

everything else good

in buff bar you can read one two triple jackpot

also

!ui

[ornate heath]

Resources:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
• WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
• MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
• Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - for poisons
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator, track cursor
• Mute Cold Blood sound - if we ever go back to this talent

[slim hare]

thats all we got

[fast valve]

alright cheers!

[foggy cove]

Should I craft a farstriders mercy tmrw I already have crafted boots ring and main hand

[slim hare]

playing other spec ?

or only outlaw?

[foggy cove]

Only law

[slim hare]

probably helm craft is better

sim it

[foggy cove]

I’ve been grinding pos for like a week all day but no beetle stabber

[foggy cove]

What’s it called

[slim hare]

no idea

[foggy cove]

I’ll have a look then

[slim hare]

silvermoon agent's cover

[cinder relic]

U just craft worst slot

[harsh quartz]

any of you have some issues with low DPS you over came that might have some tips? pretty damn sure I'm doing the right rotation but I can only hit 50k on a dummy unbuffed, my 5 min sim unbuffed shows 63k

regulars are probably sick of me asking, I'm sorry

[glass shard]

never apologise for self improvement even if it comes from the outside king

either way idk

xd

[harsh quartz]

lol

[glass shard]

is ur sim config correct

no raidbuffs

no bl

etc

[slim hare]

have you tried this? #1463195558020907052 message

[harsh quartz]

looks like it's adding the blessing of the bronze buff still for some reason

[cinder relic]

that buff does nothing

[glass shard]

thats sprint cdr

[harsh quartz]

do you know if the assisted highlight will properly highlight when we should be using pistol shot?

[daring yoke]

Do we hold rtb if no rtb active, no loaded dice, but ar up soon?

[harsh quartz]

I know it doesn't highlight single RTB rerolls and it does light up BTE at 5 CP sometimes, gotta work around that

[slim hare]

if its one or 2 finisher away zac does it

[glass shard]

based on vibes i hold it for a bit yea

[daring yoke]

Cool thats what ive been doing as well. Getting stage 1 feels so bad

[glass shard]

nothing feels worse than rolling a 1 with ar 5 globals away

#vibe gamer

[echo tapir]

i see a lot of people not using deadly pursuit i was lazy and just following the talent build in here is it just not worth cause we are always spending combos?

[cinder relic]

It ends up doing basically nothing

even in the circumstances its meant to be useful at

[echo tapir]

yeah just off the description and seeing people not taking it i kinda thought that was the case

[gaunt phoenix]

yes, getting stage 1 is awful, you will either burn through your thistle tea or if you have no tea you are just screwed

[glass shard]

we need cdr on tea

:3

[gaunt phoenix]

if playing well in keys, and also the tank is not afking between mobs, your stage 1 uptime should be minimal

[slim hare]

we need 2 baseline

but still mostly ace more cp refund

i beg

[glass shard]

i think outlaw feels so great on 3 or jackpot

anything not that

and ur j ust waiting to hit it

[slim hare]

i dont know

i feel the real problem is energy

[glass shard]

yea kind of

if a boss is like

3min or longer

[slim hare]

and bte chain not existing anymore

[glass shard]

i start to feel the steam winding down harddddd

esp if im on 1 or 2 teas from prior packs

#cooked

[slim hare]

yeah even with good play it can happen

[glass shard]

idk if i do good play

above average play sure

[slim hare]

im cooked too but it happens to zac too

[plain halo]

I’m coming in mid chat…has the apm for outlaw come down? Last time I played outlaw was in BFA. I’d like to give it a spin, but the APM has been a turnoff. I know you gotta press buttons, but it had gotten out of hand until the rework (imo)

[gaunt phoenix]

its the same as bfa

[slim hare]

im not even sure of that so few people play the spec we are competing against real gamer

[glass shard]

my rank 2 normal crown of the cosmos would like a word with u

[slim hare]

damn

better than me for sure then

[gaunt phoenix]

outlaw is very similar to bfa, except without the absolutely mental tuning in keys

[glass shard]

i havent even done hc crown yet

[gaunt phoenix]

Rip the glory days

[cinder relic]

Has different gimmicks but very similar vibe

[mystic berry]

We are all gambling addicts

wym real gamers

[glass shard]

https://tenor.com/iD1L8R6BXqE.gif

[plain halo]

Slappy hand corruption on Mythic weapons was a blessing

[cinder relic]

good ol' wits

[glass shard]

not to mention ra den was kind of a vibe fight as well

W

[plain halo]

I raided as Assa (haste) so it was real low stress. Outlaw was for keys and after a few, my brain needed a break

[glass shard]

i was on dh in bfa

that shit was like 8 years ago bro

what the fuck

[daring yoke]

Guys, are we expecting to get the 298 voidforge craft next week?

[proven surge]

Keep your heads high kings

[thorn parrot]

I love getting those compliments

[sullen wyvern]

question

[serene urchin]

survivor ship bias

[sullen wyvern]

when should I use prep?

[serene urchin]

only people who play rogue still were rogue one tricks

so they r gonna be good

[serene urchin]

depends on content

[glass shard]

im new :(

[sullen wyvern]

m+

[tired rune]

left my dungeojns until the last minute again

pure tortur\e

[serene urchin]

in lust pulls u can send oncd

thats whay most ppl do first pack in m+

[sullen wyvern]

ok that makes sense

I use it after first AR is gone

[serene urchin]

then u just hold till next big pack or use on boss

[sullen wyvern]

and ofc, if next AR/BTE are not close

[serene urchin]

most people generally pop it even when ar is ticking

doesnt changem uch

[sullen wyvern]

so I cna stack more BTE during the lust pull, but after that what would be a good practice?

[serene urchin]

same idea if u are coordinated with tank u can line up with big pulls

other then that its experience diff and knowing when pulls are gonna be bigger

[sullen wyvern]

so basically big pulls

or boss fights

aight thanks

[proven surge]

Yes, general rule is big pulls, boss fights or important prio in a pull and you're dry as fuck but that kinda goes into big pull

[glass shard]

goodnight pirates

[stuck tiger]

Goodnight scallywag

[vivid vessel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1493009002479751168/image_1.gif

[keen belfry]

i was gaming so ahrd today zac

105k ST to 2nd boss skyreach

sometimes u just go 10min no wrong button

sometimes u do

kinda crazy the diff is

[eternal hound]

actually going super crazy style

what key level

[keen belfry]

18

perma 3+ buff with pot plus prep and good play

can be 90k+ every boss

[serene urchin]

man 3 buff is just so essential

on bird if i dont open with 3 buff or atleast get 2 3buffs, during egg phase i get like 20 seconds of no AR with lust

[elfin tusk]

What exactly does offhand dagger do for us, i know its better but like what causes that

[keen belfry]

!oh

[ornate heath]

A dagger offhand is ~1% better than a slow weapon mostly because of Zero In, and also slightly more Instant Poison procs. Energy is not affected by offhand speed.

It is possible large ilvl differences can matter more than this bonus so use Raidbots Top Gear when in doubt.

[keen belfry]

^ @elfin tusk

[elfin tusk]

ah

ty

[outer meteor]

on aa first pull is it worth to start hitting the lasher before they are all grouped with tricks

or just wait till they are all together

ive seen people do both ways

dunno whats better

[keen belfry]

It’s tuff cuz if he doesn’t actuall
Hit some mobs u will get meleed even with tricks up

Follow ur tank

[next wedge]

!up

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1488547832062415010/drop_fixed.png

[craggy barn]

me when group has no lust

[outer meteor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1493009002479751168/image_1.gif

[pearl topaz]

give us lust and give outlaw a grip as well

We've been hollowed out as a class from the first expansion onwards, with our strengths given to others

let us take theirs

[hollow bloom]

Devs are cowards, they know if they give us buttons that we will push them.

[eager pagoda]

Hey everyone. Since outlow is lacking wowanalyzer support, is anyone kind enough to help one of my guildies who is struggling in raid?

Ty in advance ❤️, here's a log, he's the only rogue:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/8XCKGDMZhW2bqpR9

[hasty warren]

Hi pitates

[serene urchin]

i mean first his opener is wrong, first finisher is dispatch. outlaw u kinda need to watch them play to see whats wrong

if someones understands finisher builder and cd rules the only thing they can improve on is actually pressing their buttons fast enough

[craggy barn]

preps late and only once the entire fight

when u can get 2 in there in that kill time

[hollow bloom]

Wrong weapon enchants, not bad but ya.

[craggy barn]

acuity is fine

[pearl topaz]

And just so you are aware, Outlaw is one of the worst raid specs atm

[craggy barn]

crit is prety low

[pearl topaz]

so they wont be breaking records, but definitely alot to go

[craggy barn]

he used haste flask when probably should just use crit flask

[cursive gyro]

this isn't true. Outlaw brings unseen value in too many ways to count. So many that I couldn't possibly begin to elaborate further.

[craggy barn]

lay off the copium 🙁

[gleaming reef]

Huh? I usually adren rush, rtb, snd then go from there.

[hollow bloom]

We have some poison….and single target blind!

[gleaming reef]

I suppose it's the same as adren rush, RTB, dispatch

Sometimes when people prepull I lose my combo points

so I usually do adren rush, rtb, snd at 2-3 seconds b4 pull

[hollow bloom]

Ya same, i lose combo points sometimes.

[outer meteor]

got mogged in this 17 spires

anlakcy

[craggy barn]

i never gamble for prepull shenanigans like that

not since they changed our prepull shit

and since fatebound adren rush can dam

[gleaming reef]

Oh so you wait for the pull?

Then adren rush, rtb, dispatch?

[craggy barn]

i rush on 0

ye

[gleaming reef]

I'll try that next time.

[craggy barn]

ar rtb blade rush dispatch

[gleaming reef]

sounds good and makes sense

[hollow bloom]

Ya i do that too now.

[serene urchin]

dispatch casts snd

[gleaming reef]

I still do the old school pre pull 3 second AR, SND, RTB thing

well AR -> rtb -> snd

[craggy barn]

are the adds dying super fast? notice he doesnt have that much add damage, so hes probably just getting cucked

[hollow bloom]

I play MoP classic so my muscle memory wants to do this, but it erases my snd. So i gotta rewire my brain on game switch.

[gleaming reef]

This is on M+ right? I mean in raid pulls.

[craggy barn]

we lost our prepull shit in tww s1

[hollow bloom]

Honestly dont know when it happens. It happens so rarely if it does.

[craggy barn]

my snd is shift + mouse5
and is off to a hidden action bar

so im never tempted to press it

aside from mplus when i want to maintain it between packs

out of sight out of mind 🙂

yoooo

world 69

ez

[hollow bloom]

Retire now, its all down hill from here.

[craggy barn]

i am retired

LOL

my rogue isnt even my main anymore

tank main now sadge

[hollow bloom]

Oh…carry on

[craggy barn]

tho i only really push on rogue anyways lul

[naive charm]

Does anyone know the exact Haste cap figures?

[craggy barn]

!haste

[ornate heath]

Outlaw's stat prio is generally Crit > Haste* > Vers >= Mastery.

• You need ~21-23% haste for energy, this has priority over crit. That's the haste on your stat page after talents/buffs/flask.
• Crit is then your best stat until you approach ~40%, from there random vers or mastery pieces will be similar.
• You have to use Raidbots Top Gear to determine the exact combination of pieces to use.

[craggy barn]

its like 770-850 or something

im at 780 and thats like 21.xx%

[naive charm]

thanks

[young prism]

According to last pin it should be close to 25 it seems

For m+

As bf eating the energy and you'll be using it frequently

[inland acorn]

that's for low target cleave (2target, maybe 3target)

[young prism]

I feel more comfortable with 23-24 haste

That might be because of the mistakes I'm making though

[river wing]

ngl sometimes, depending on tank pulls, I fall through even with 24%

it's maddening

[frank bloom]

hi team, i am slightly confused about the haste breakpoint for 0.8 gcd on outlaw. I am pvper but assuming it still applies, I reach 25% haste and with AR up my GCD still shows as like 1s, does it just not show the real gcd?

[karmic gust]

hey, do you guys have an addon to help you with interrupts ? When there's a big pack of mobs I struggle to click on the exact mob that's casting the spell or the castbar of the mob can be kinda hard to see

[inland acorn]

it doesn't show, but gcd is reduced during ADR based on haste yes

[frank bloom]

Ah ok, and breakpoint is 25%?

[inland acorn]

it's somewhere between 21-23%

[frank bloom]

Nameplate addons help and can show caster/prio mobs which you could set as focus

[inland acorn]

!stats

[ornate heath]

Outlaw's stat prio is generally Crit > Haste* > Vers >= Mastery.

• You need ~21-23% haste for energy, this has priority over crit. That's the haste on your stat page after talents/buffs/flask.
• Crit is then your best stat until you approach ~40%, from there random vers or mastery pieces will be similar.
• You have to use Raidbots Top Gear to determine the exact combination of pieces to use.

[inland acorn]

Pretty sure after 25% haste just falls off like a brick

but GCD should be 0.8 or very close to it during ADR if you have 21-23%

[tiny onyx]

is it okay to have 21.8% haste unbuffed with no oils/flask?

or do i want to use haste flask to hit 25% vs using a crit one

[inland acorn]

There's bot response about stats like literally above 😭

[karmic gust]

I'll try to find if plater had that thanks

[wintry solar]

I mean I wont say no

[glass shard]

i got a jackpot insta removed in raid the other day

[wintry solar]

I rolled off a Jackpot this last dungeon

[glass shard]

tough

[wintry solar]

naturally to a 1 buff

[glass shard]

xd

cant say i havent done the same

[wintry solar]

yeah you get that on these big jobs

got it back (in silvermoon)

[glass shard]

sometimes i just dont rtb for the last 10 sec of a boss

if i roll a jackpot with no mobs soon

i will just feel bad

especially in ws

i dont care!!!

[blissful idol]

i always drop a toy dummy and perform, can't let it go to waste

[frank bloom]

Ive been using platynator

[inland acorn]

SUBLET

[vapid salmon]

But hey I keep finding people that says outlaw is perfectly fine

[jolly geyser]

submissive rogue needed

[inland acorn]

Its all zacs fault

[jolly geyser]

blame zac

and toxic

[unkempt dew]

@vivid vessel bonjour! Is it possible for me to get your details profile?

[inland acorn]

this is his details profile
https://wago.io/CSNR9cFbK

[unkempt dew]

Thanks!

[nocturne tinsel]

lmao Im trying to get the uncrowned mask and I get this instead

[quaint mauve]

this happens literally every season

just bc of zac and wox

[grim spear]

[mighty pivot]

wox played sub early and now assa rip the goat outlaw

[wintry solar]

have your frames been dropping a lot lately?

[jolly geyser]

oh,havent kept up

[mighty pivot]

my doorframes?

[wintry solar]

nvm

[drifting depot]

Hiya guys! How good/bad is killing spree?

[gaunt phoenix]

KS is a bit undertuned & it hits random targets so you lose prio for no reason

Only reason to use ks is that it's required by trickster

[drifting depot]

Ok, thx, not worth losing dps for spectacle then. Coin flips and dice rolls are fun as it is

I haven’t known happiness before I landed 3 jackpots in a row

[teal dust]

probably heard it a lot but is it still the case that you can swap out kir in m+?

[daring oxide]

Blizzard still haven’t fixed it? Holy

[inland acorn]

Wdym fix, its perfectly working ability in their eyes

[slim hare]

yeah the game is perfectly balanced

[gaunt phoenix]

you can but it's like -4% or smth

kir kinda needed to keep stage 1 away

[blissful idol]

what is the tech to get crest reduction on your main again? cap mythic crests on alt and transform them all to hero crests?

[crimson scarab]

!log

[fervent garden]

I'm feeling Gaze in Vault today.

[quaint delta]

Get "X of the dawn" achieve and crest upgrades for that crest type on alts are halved, so 10 instead of 20

so maybe a dumb question. im struggling with nullaeus ?? on outlaw. keep getting overwhelmed by the 2nd set of adds. any tips on surviving that?

[jolly geyser]

its there

[fervent garden]

sweet.

[gaunt phoenix]

you basically have to cloak the poison from the ticks

if you tricks valeera she should grab them for a bit

[quaint delta]

great, thanks for the tips

[elder sonnet]

OUTLAW!!!!!!!!!

[blissful gate]

worth holding AR and combat pot for this section if AR is going to be up just before he hits 50%

its also just kinda fucked

he will just 2 shot you near the end

need a bit of a god run

[gaunt phoenix]

yea, at least a few weeks ago i couldnt conceive a possible way to survive the end

maybe 270 ilvl is good now

[blissful gate]

yeah i kinda just threw myself at it and managed a good run on the 2nd day of it being available

[gaunt phoenix]

gave up and pugged it

[quaint delta]

yeah i already have the mount from a tank "alt" but wanted to get it done on the rog also

[near rock]

im also begging

zero alnseers so far the whole tier on any difficulty

[stiff hawk]

Yes you can do it like that. Because the Myth Crest downgrade to Hero Crests goes above the Cap

So you can basically have 800 Hero Crests

But i would recommend crafting with Myth crst, and transform the rest

[arctic hollow]

Can someone remind me in what key improved Wound poison is worth it against Kriss please ? I remember Maisara Cavern for the berserkers, Nexus Point for the bridge, anything else ?

[glass shard]

all of them

#justincase

[arctic hollow]

I like Kris for a couple,like Windrunner, i can roleplay as having utility for the team and feel good about it

[river wing]

it's totally fine yeah

[mighty pivot]

mgt for the voidwalker half

[arctic hollow]

Thanks

[vivid vessel]

He doesn't play outlaw anymore

[jolly geyser]

aye,got the info

[mighty pivot]

I already snitched

[normal quail]

does anyone have any fix for when the GCD timer just completely dies in hectic scenarios. Like why tf are my combo points coming up like a second later?

[copper radish]

What’s the over under on outlaw buffs next note update

[silk gale]

wait SAME, this happens randomly to me and I can't seem to find a rhyme or reason for it

[gaunt phoenix]

would guess its more related to blizzard servers than not

[undone notch]

Magister's Terrace. In higher key one of the void Elites has a heal on hit attack that scales super nasty past 10s

[glass shard]

i have that when i get a full bte from talent

in raid mostly

[gaunt phoenix]

my next craft is chest 🤔

[sleek thorn]

OUTLAW!!!!

[copper radish]

What’s the avg LFG wait time as outlaw right now

[sleek thorn]

1 second

as it should be

[copper radish]

Sounds like propaganda

[sleek thorn]

wrong

[arctic hollow]

Ah right, the one you fight one of a couple of time then two at the same time at the very end, thanks

[near rock]

chest is tier slot bro...

whats going on

[gaunt phoenix]

i'm stuck with mythic head so my free slot is whatever

[vivid vessel]

I have mythic piece on every leather slot

You are washed up solo

[copper radish]

How’s that helping w outlaw raid dmg tho

[sleek thorn]

sorry it was me

[worldly shale]

i dont think blizzard understands irony cloe

thank you

doomed us

[wide coral]

2% blade flurry nerf incoming

[patent mirage]

this post forgot the outlaw! part

[worldly shale]

The ps. should have been OUTLAW!!!!

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1413245732118593606/image.gif

[near rock]

thank you lord jesus in heaven god bless his name amen

[river wing]

lmao okay

[keen belfry]

holy ass

[gaunt phoenix]

sub trinket

[final pagoda]

can we add a comand for this image? !outlaw!

[keen belfry]

do i just take a socket? surely a haste mastery sword is not better than a crit haste embelly sword

[final pagoda]

see you in the sub spec channel 🫡

[gaunt phoenix]

sockets are good ye

[keen belfry]

socket week 2 feels like SHIT

esp cuz i dont even have a myth piece to socket

[gaunt phoenix]

cant win em all

[round grove]

does heroic track and myth track void core both buff to 298 or is the heroic lesser?

[gaunt phoenix]

void core?

[keen belfry]

id rather raid as assa me thinks

[near rock]

only 1 myth raid slot? whats going on awang

[grave rose]

guess I take the chest and pray for drops again

[keen belfry]

WR 1600 guild master reporting for duty!

[vivid vessel]

im so tired of rocking 2 normal trinkets

i need a mythic trinket to drop in my vault

or i crashout

[keen belfry]

ye i just want 2 276 trinkets atleast

pure vibes sake

[vivid vessel]

this shit kills my ilvl

so annoying and cringe ! !

[jolly geyser]

Good trinket tomorrow zac

[vivid vessel]

i got this tho

i think its an ok outlaw trinket

im not sure

but i need to get a mythic trinket

so i can upgrade without spending hc crests

actually important

[glass shard]

trinket poverty

[jolly geyser]

Myth alseer for az

Zac

[vivid vessel]

yes thank you

if i get a mythic trinket i legit fix all my gear instantly

[tired wolf]

are you guys binding ranger captains insignia to like SS or something

[gaunt phoenix]

nop

[tired wolf]

but its so many more buttons

[vivid vessel]

@fathom bramble im considering outlaw more and more for lura, convince me otherwise

[gaunt phoenix]

think you should always have a trinket bind

[tired wolf]

i do was just wondering

do you ever hold for 2 target?

[gaunt phoenix]

i would briefly hold it if nothing else to think about

[final pagoda]

@vivid vessel finally dwarf...

[vivid vessel]

gege

[jolly geyser]

Lol short

[final pagoda]

why were you panda for so long time?

[vivid vessel]

who me ?

i never was panda

i do love a panda tho

r2 race imo

after void elf

[keen belfry]

fried take

[vivid vessel]

false

panda jump anim is goated

[keen belfry]

my dev dh got 4pc

[normal violet]

245 ilv rogue, did 4 10s... no crafts done no tier set
do I go for a 272 myth haste/mastery 1h sword or a 272 myth tier gloves

[copper radish]

Dev DH feels good in keys

[keen belfry]

i havent done a key where things live long enough

[vivid vessel]

@gaunt phoenix i sim more with 2 ace

thoughts

oh no but sleight is still oversimming right

[sleek thorn]

use 2 ace

[keen belfry]

zac u get more 6cp resets than u think

[final pagoda]

wait I remember u were panda in ur skyreach 19

[keen belfry]

its pure vibes

[final pagoda]

am I tripping?

[vivid vessel]

no i use the toy to change race

all the time

[final pagoda]

lol nvm

[normal violet]

crazy how much you wanna be a panda so bad

[jolly geyser]

He likes them warm furry titties

[final pagoda]

using a toy to go from best race to worst race

yikes

[jolly geyser]

Why did I type that

[final pagoda]

it's all good fam

no need to be ashamed

[sleek thorn]

i do

only men tits tho

theyre better

[jolly geyser]

[final pagoda]

outlaw players are fried

[sleek thorn]

you now realize?

[gaunt phoenix]

no

i updated sleight

[vivid vessel]

real shit ?

bro is it time

am i supposed to play double ace

i dont like it tho !

[gaunt phoenix]

on st?

[vivid vessel]

e

ye

[gaunt phoenix]

e

[vivid vessel]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tEsuJJ84XmtqFLosyVUfLn

[gaunt phoenix]

hm

[vivid vessel]

ok maybe its cause its a 9 minute sim its changing something idk

im simming for last boss

wanted to see if maybe energy talents would be more value

doesnt seem so

[gaunt phoenix]

nice

[vivid vessel]

thats you ?

[gaunt phoenix]

ye

[vivid vessel]

gege

[gaunt phoenix]

it does win at 9 minutes

funny

[buoyant cosmos]

Are you guys on the last one?

[vivid vessel]

no but i dont expect bird boss to last too long

we should kill it next week

and maybe have one day on lura

[buoyant cosmos]

It looks like a really coo fight

[vivid vessel]

lura ye

i dont like bird much

[buoyant cosmos]

Yeah bird is okay

Mount is pretty nice too

[supple lodge]

Anyone got any advice on this vault? It seems like some solid ass, and I can't really make heads or tails on how to go. Sims are basically nothing clear, but maybe there's a play I can't see. Appreciate any advice

[gleaming reef]

Raidbots is not simming crafted OH daggers for some reason when I run droptimizer.

[gleaming reef]

Thank you sir

[devout garden]

cool tmog

[supple lodge]

Thanks!

[mighty pivot]

why are you dressed like a paladin

[supple lodge]

To infultrate them

[tropic zephyr]

bludgeon, it's our bis weap outside of MM

you'll have to craft ring with prism for second embellish

[supple lodge]

Cool, Thanks!

[tropic zephyr]

or dagger with hunt/void idk, sim it

[jolly geyser]

damn,gonna get banned now

[wide coral]

o7

[formal thunder]

double ace? this patch already?

[gleaming reef]

Hmm is Murder Row Fishhook good for my OH?

so weird

why is the regualr Crit haste OH better than the fish hook

[vivid vessel]

intel one no

or

[gleaming reef]

It says Agil

[vivid vessel]

ah nvm

i mean idk

because you have one less embel

and its bad

it cant sim it prolly also

cause you have 2 embels equipped

[gleaming reef]

Oh, that's considered an embellishment in the item?

[jolly geyser]

ye

[gleaming reef]

Ok thanks.

[carmine mountain]

I crafted MH with void + ring with iris is it worth crafting boots without Arcanoweave Lining since I already have 2 embelishments

[outer meteor]

this is a nobrainer just take main hand right

[proven surge]

It really depends on whether you got good boots with nice stats or you got shit boots rn or other slots are fine etc

[gaunt phoenix]

depends on vault

[proven surge]

But in general you cannot go wrong with boots

[gaunt phoenix]

upgrading high value mythic slots like chest/legs/helm should have priority

[shadow trellis]

Honestly dont craft atp unless you really need to replace something. you lose some crests in the long run

[wide shore]

I have arator's 6/6 hero (276) and crafted 1h sword 259
should I switch loot spec to assa/sub? is there a difference between the loot specs besides weapons?

[shadow trellis]

next week you get token gear to spend your myth crests on

[carmine mountain]

I can upgrade my boots to 289 I got eclipse espadrilles from last vault haste/verse boots but still rocking a champion neck and hero belt hah

[gaunt phoenix]

you need to loot spec sin/sub to loot a dagger, weapons are the only difference

[proven surge]

How do you lose crests? If you have a 285 item, you get other upgrades for free on the same slot no?

[shadow trellis]

80 myth to craft 285 now
80 myth to upgrade token gear next week to 289

-20 in the long run

[jolly geyser]

Oh right, gotta remember to open as outlaw tomorrow. Got bis dagger last week

[outer meteor]

@gaunt phoenix need ur assistance

[gaunt phoenix]

if it were my character, weapon is not the most immediate upgrade

[outer meteor]

even if it still sims higher than myth tier?

[gaunt phoenix]

for me 289 weapon is less of an upgrade than 289 cloak or shoulders

but if it's opposite for you then that's how it is

[outer meteor]

are u replacing the embelishment tho

on ur wep

[gaunt phoenix]

ye

[reef forge]

on pull do you guys delay your second use of BR so you don't overlap the dmg amp from it?

[outer meteor]

yeah idk maybe im bad at reading sims or something

[frail veldt]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[gaunt phoenix]

link it

[gaunt phoenix]

i do but it doesnt seem to matter

[outer meteor]

i couldnt figure out how do to it on 1 sim so i did 2

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1VFr4etF49YxVeSX5YuANQ

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jBM2BWcDYeM35gWK6BUGaT

[civic zephyr]

Anyone else running into their between the eyes not resetting when they have 6 palmed shots?? its happened 2 times in my first dungeon i ran today.

[frail veldt]

weeeeird

[vivid vessel]

true

[civic zephyr]

its consuming the buff but not working

[vivid vessel]

i had this happen

and i wanted to check what happened

but i forgot

[frail veldt]

maybe if it misses or something

cuz it triggers on hit

so if the mob dies

before it hits it

maybe you dont get it

or evade/immune

[civic zephyr]

happened on a boss that was very much alive

[vivid vessel]

what boss

[civic zephyr]

last one in MC

i had 6 shots he pushed us back we ran up to him and only shot 1 time

i have logs i'll look at themn

[random stirrup]

did the bullets expire

dumb question but it takes like 20s to run back up right

[civic zephyr]

nope. i have logs ill check them tho

yeah stacks last for 30 sec

still keying i'll check in a bit

[noble lynx]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[crude flower]

Well
check it then

[vivid vessel]

well ye but

i forgot when it happened now

so i cant check !

gg

[crude flower]

[outer meteor]

@gaunt phoenix did u take a look at the sims?

not trying to bother you btw

if im being annoying just say so

[civic zephyr]

@vivid vessel https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/vdG2tz9AZ6mHqh1p?fight=last Here is the MC log can you check it? I'm not sure how to tell if the reset got bugged or not.

[vivid vessel]

when did it happen

did you say last boss or

[civic zephyr]

the whole log looks weird tbh.

like it looks like im getting weird gravedigger procs..

[hearty edge]

i've noticed that since i dinged 90

thought i wasn't understanding the talent tbh and just gave up

[vivid vessel]

cast bte at 8 here

and it doesnt consume

im unsure what happens there aswell

ok also uh

idk if

i cant actually trust a log

because its a rolling buff

after 6

kinda

so its gonna look weird in logs

would need a vod to understand what happens better

[next shuttle]

Can someone help me decide between these two options

I mostly mythic+, don't know if trinket is worth it

[frail veldt]

so whens someone gona make a version of details that reads the local logs and shows the damage and breakdown/buff uptime/etc all the old shit just using the logs you would upload to wclogs so we can have easier live-ish viewing of stuff

[arctic hollow]

Myth Hook is outclassed by the raid trinkets in HM track is it not ?

[civic zephyr]

Yeah something felt off for sure with it in that key, but then we went into a skyreach after it felt normal and no issues. i don't have a vod unfourt...i'll turn the stream on for the day i suppose and see if i can get footage where it happens...could be just in that key even tbh..

[vivid vessel]

its delayed

till after combat end

[frail veldt]

I dont care

[vivid vessel]

idk how it works for keys

[frail veldt]

thats why I said live-ish

[vivid vessel]

but for raid you would have it after combat

[frail veldt]

like if after a key

I could actually check

it would be sick

[vivid vessel]

also i dont think addons can do that

read external info

[frail veldt]

hmmm

[vivid vessel]

not in addon folder

[frail veldt]

well then ill just have a script running that moves the log to the addons folder lol

thats easy enough

[vapid salmon]

hello logs masters, is there a way on wowlogs to search for average dps on specific m+? I'm looking but only found weird score points

I thought I performed well on Pit of Saron but a devourer ended like 50k dps and now I'm crying

[frail veldt]

you used to be able to select damage here in the dropdown

but I think they might have changed it idk

[vivid vessel]

no you didnt

not for keys

thats never been a thing

[vapid salmon]

oh 🙁

[frail veldt]

but you can still see your dps parse

right?

[vivid vessel]

yes in ranking

[vapid salmon]

the best I found is watching log by log from the spec I need to look at

[frail veldt]

thats so silly though lol

that means they have the data

if theyre generating parses and ranks

[vivid vessel]

yes

idk why it hasnt been done

they dont do shit around keys

[frail veldt]

fair

[vivid vessel]

so

[frail veldt]

cba

[vivid vessel]

dps in keys taking downtime

and also - death time since its full key timer

is also idk

weird to compare dps

i wish it just did it like details

because it could

they just dont do it

[frail veldt]

Yeah I mean I figure its just for people to get an idea

of how theyre doing

in higher keys its kinda silly cuz the sample size is tiny a lot of th etime

[vapid salmon]

yeah my thought was like "was it me who sucked compared to the average or was it the dh who was much stronger"

[rapid bough]

so are we feeling better about outlaw now after a couple balance changes? I'd swapped to sub at the beginning of the xpac since outlaw felt so flat

[plush sentinel]

new rogue, is outlaw just borked? when do I come online... damage feels awful, fresh alt and things feel good to press but not doing any damage

[frail veldt]

if youre a fresh alt gear is for sure playing a factor

outlaw isnt a super strong spec but its damage is passable esp in m+

[vapid salmon]

For me it's a bit better than it was a couple of weeks ago but still behind

[frail veldt]

though outlaw is still a spec that loses a lot of dps if you are making rotational mistakes

[gaunt phoenix]

outlaw is not borked, in keys your overall should be fine

[rapid bough]

just feels so bad playing sub and having to hit a quarter of the buttons for better dps

[grave rose]

@gaunt phoenix are we playing 2 ace now?

[frail veldt]

yeah if youre looking for high reward for low effort outlaw is not the spec

[gaunt phoenix]

not until 12.0.5

though technically 2 ace on single target is about the same as the current build

So on ST you can get used to it if you want

also if you find yourself on mythic vanguard. then you can exchange dancing steel for 2 ace

but that's a quirk of being at 2.5 targets

[frail veldt]

oh weeeird

[frigid pelican]

so trying to do a sim for a crafted item but i get the error i do not have enough currency. i am assuming its because of the sparks. is there a way to have the sim think i do?

[gaunt phoenix]

at the top you can input currency

[frigid pelican]

thanks i had to check the show all

[long barn]

I wish outlaw could be top dps. Why can’t we get love

[formal thunder]

Top dps is a dangerous position to be

I wish outlaw could be middle of the pack

[quaint mauve]

im pretty sure people just don’t like when outlaw is meta

[lucid sparrow]

@vivid vessel cant figure out why my bars are ''dirty''

colors arent clean

[sterile obsidian]

Now that wa is gone, is there any way to have a reminder, when I dont have my poisens applied to my weapons?

[tough trellis]

holy goat vault??

[vivid vessel]

wrong texture

[gaunt phoenix]

clickableraidbuffs works

[vivid vessel]

read start of doc

[rapid bough]

man, I miss DF s3

[sterile obsidian]

is that an addon? @gaunt phoenix

[gaunt phoenix]

yes

!ui

[ornate heath]

Resources:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
• WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
• MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
• Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - for poisons
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator, track cursor
• Mute Cold Blood sound - if we ever go back to this talent

[sterile obsidian]

thanks

[long barn]

Why cause you might get nerf back to middle?

[swift ridge]

Just needed a WA to play a jackpot noise when I high roll bones blizzard ffs

[jolly geyser]

atleast you can eat peaches

[swift ridge]

U right

[lucid sparrow]

is it the resources setting? changing bar texture ?

in acdm

[keen belfry]

LF 1 Tank 1 Healer 1 DPS and 1 DPS for +12 PoS

LF 1 Healer 1 DPS and 1 DPS for +12 PoS

LF 1 Healer for +12 PoS

sorry guys it filled

[vivid vessel]

weak aura

rogue

ressources

[lucid sparrow]

ah

my goat

ty

[reef forge]

does anyone using meekauras feel like they're kind of slow in raid

feels like a huge delay on ace reset

[gaunt phoenix]

gravedigger reset has a travel time so it is delayed on large bosses

[reef forge]

oh that makes sense

[gaunt phoenix]

like vorascious and dragons

[dusty mulch]

I've got enough mythic crests to craft one item and raidbots is telling me I should craft a ring over a MH, I've currently got a Heroic MH. Should I still go with the MH or listen to raidbots?

[gaunt phoenix]

vorasciuouioucs

[jovial sedge]

anybody know if the tech with adamntite sharpening stone from tbc is worth?

[reef forge]

yeah i was noticing it on vorasius

[gaunt phoenix]

can you link it

[dusty mulch]

link what exactly?

[gaunt phoenix]

one of the sims

So I can see your gear

[dusty mulch]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/smnM2wupXA7wpXb8UQFUix

[fathom bramble]

what could go wrong

just send it

[gaunt phoenix]

it's bc you dont have haste and your rings are 250

it's not "wrong" per se

you can craft ring and simply craft weapon next

as of this reset you can have 4 total crafts once you get the crests

[next wedge]

how good is the crit effectiveness enchant

[gaunt phoenix]

bis

[next wedge]

w

[dusty mulch]

TY

[next wedge]

is the ring 2 set worth going for even tho the void one has mastery?

any knowers

[gaunt phoenix]

nop

[next wedge]

w solo

[gaunt phoenix]

No crit on ring is stinky

unless you have 1200 crit already

[formal thunder]

no, cause you might get nerfed right to the bottom

[tribal edge]

how is outlaw on 3 targets is it any good?

[unique fulcrum]

no

[tribal edge]

ty assa it is on lightblinded

[shell ingot]

Finally all three rogue specs are balanced

Oh wait...

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/46?sample=7&dataset=95

[quiet ore]

Did every ol get offered the choker in slot 1 this week or something? Everybody got one, myself included

[tough trellis]

i got it on my ppal vault too

[glass shard]

paypal vault

[gaunt phoenix]

pp

[tight kernel]

!tricks

[ornate heath]

Auto Tricks on tank Addon - TankMD

[dawn bear]

I know we want around 40% crit but if we go over when is it a diminishing return I’m at 42% right now

[long barn]

It’s my impression at 40% crit, 25% haste, vers starts to come into the picture. I’d say you’re close.

[fathom bramble]

it begins to diminish more sharply at 40% but it is not nearly as aggressive as the diminishing returns at 25% haste

depending on the gear you have access to going past 40% is entirely reasonable

[long barn]

Agreed

[fathom bramble]

but vers is probably more ideal if you have the gear to support it

just sim and see in general

[ancient cobalt]

guys i was graced by god ( i did a key with lok) and he said i was the closest

so basically that means im also a goat ty

[ancient cobalt]

omggg

dude i mighta had u with potent powder on

my chud ass was mr simulating

that tank pulled odd

sittin there hittin 2 targets ...

[fathom bramble]

yeah a little

I needed to not die twice...

[ancient cobalt]

lmao dude that frontal from the top of the ropes

i knew to dodge cause that killed me the other day on my mage

and i said before it went off deos this kill me and my buddy said nope

and i exploded

[fathom bramble]

I miss perma tricks

instantly dying to melees the frame after the tank dies is incredibly annoying

[long barn]

Yea I want like 30 gcds back from tricks in dungeons

[cinder relic]

We haven't summed that cloud talent at all I assume

What if that's the missing piece

And we get it back

[fathom bramble]

I suspect it is

that thing is so strong on paper in aoe

and trickster is already close enough in dungeonslice that you can almost run it

it also has a weird interaction with applying it after your period of being able to stack to 3 ends

where it stays at 3 until you refresh

so you would potentially want to not cast KS until your 3 stacks fall off

so you get 30 seconds of 3 fazed on the entire pack

except whoever you are actually attacking since that will hidden blade trigger at some point and go back to 1

[cinder relic]

I know it's terrible but I'm going to laugh so hard just dropping visual clutter for my entire group

[fathom bramble]

it's so bad

if we run it it'll get fixed fast

[cinder relic]

It's gonna be so funny

[fathom bramble]

I think

[cinder relic]

Probably

But I'm gonna laugh

[inland meteor]

isnt that what life is all about

[vivid vessel]

nie

having to run dogshit trickster

that spawn 5 cp every builder

but still have to build to max cp

actual cancer

[hybrid crown]

I'm not playing outlaw but id be playing trickster for sure if they are that close for the hour MD

[long barn]

Anyone know if the purple void zones that dps pot drops is seen or hurts all players in your group?

[tropic zephyr]

The distract thing?

I've never seen the visual

[foggy cove]

bro what is this 😭

[long barn]

Get the box and switch to a real spec called Assassination

[foggy cove]

outlaw just too much fun

[inland meteor]

is the box good for assa? i thought only sub

[tropic zephyr]

I think wox plays it

[grim spear]

bis for assa

irreplaceable kind of bis

[inland meteor]

yuck

hate this trinket so much

[grim spear]

Yeah, that’s basically the biggest reason I don’t want to play Assassination this tier

[foggy cove]

guess i burned all my luck on that alnseer last gv

[gaunt phoenix]

there was once a day it was not bad on outlaw

[jagged plover]

outlaw is like a shiny rogue too

[random stirrup]

Iirc it was already fixed

They took it from us too young

[gaunt phoenix]

Someone confirm before koji has to break apart some core part of simc to support dynamic targeted debuffs like that

[indigo token]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1413242281515024545/image.gif

[keen belfry]

what do it look like

[frail veldt]

do we know if it will aoe apply though

[fathom bramble]

While the smoke bomb effect is active on your character all hits apply fazed

Including bf hits

On the ptr when I checked last week at least

[frail veldt]

oh nice

thats pretty huge

[fathom bramble]

I wonder if the 50% builder critical strike damage also stacks 🤔

or the 5% reduced damage taken from the target

[mighty pivot]

fast rogue fixes

imagine if people start auto declining rogues due to the visual noise

[fathom bramble]

the trick is that it is a rogue problem that effects other players

[sullen wyvern]

so my vault was absolute dogshit

it's safe to just craft both weapons at this point right?

[thorn parrot]

Who else had to grab the champ level Alnseer?

[mystic berry]

now if only they removed ks from trickster

It would be perfect

[grave rose]

Im chasing the vet one

lol

[foggy cove]

is there a way to test what 2 embellishments sim best for your crafted gear on sim

[grave rose]

click the button on the item and pick a different embelisment

[frail veldt]

eh I dont like tricksters builder rules

more awkward/boring imo

and it has more lulls in energy

[thorn parrot]

Idk man, I've been running trickster and it feels goooooood.

[frail veldt]

yeah just personal opinion

fatebound has better cp gen

and more energy regen

[thorn parrot]

Yup

[frail veldt]

so once tea runs out as trickster

you might literally press no buttons

for like 6+ seconds

its pretty awful

[grave rose]

I feel like the whole CP, Energy thing is a little off spec wide kinda

[thorn parrot]

Oh correct, its so depenent on tank pulls too. Rarely do I get that issue on bosses so far.

[frail veldt]

nah regardless of tank pulls

once tea runs out

you just suffer

its rng

I hope trickster is never the meta build until KS is somehow changed

but thats unlikely unfortunately

[mystic berry]

Its more likely that they buff the crap out of trickster and you end up having to play ks

The way it is

[frail veldt]

yeah thats what im sayin haha

[proven surge]

That would be the final straw deadass

[frail veldt]

its gona happen

theres no way they fix trickster before buffing it to be the "best build"

[vivid vessel]

@keen belfry

[frail veldt]

theyll prob buff it

[frail veldt]

then we complain for a whole season

[vivid vessel]

same boss wang

[frail veldt]

then they make a change

[vivid vessel]

2 clips

[frail veldt]

thats almost good

[vivid vessel]

banger or

[frail veldt]

damn bro how old are you

just stood there

2nd one idk thats scuffed rofl

[keen belfry]

good play

just bricked 19 seat by 4 sconds ama

[vivid vessel]

noob

[quasi verge]

where the stream at

[keen belfry]

should i turn it on

@vivid vessel u should see what my energy was for the last 10 minutes of that seat was

[quasi verge]

ye put it on

[keen belfry]

on

[quasi verge]

goat

[cinder relic]

@quaint loom Bro when did u become an actual ret main?

[quaint loom]

Swapped after alleria because we needed to swap our pally buff

since HPAL sucks

so now im ret for bird and lura

im not maining ret tho im going back to rogue

but rogue needs a real rework 💀

or proper raid design

ret is currently RNG slop

[cinder relic]

r u guys running 0 rogue actually in march

[quaint loom]

you can giga high roll or low roll all ur damage

no

[red zinc]

Yo top 1% m+ rating rewards

[fathom bramble]

this is like the worst designed raid tier in years

maybe ever

[quaint loom]

we have a rogue in for lura

[quaint loom]

Genuinely spread cleave slop or low target cleave

[red zinc]

My casual ass finally got somethin to strive for

[cinder relic]

I like the bosses tbqh

[quaint loom]

Eh the bosses visually are cool

thats about it

[fathom bramble]

alleria on its own drags the entire tier down design wise

the fact that that fight even exists is insane

[quaint loom]

Alleria is probably the worst boss EVER

I said this day 1 heroic

HORRIBLE

That boss will be permanently skipped on farm

[fathom bramble]

last boss looks like 3 gimmick mechanics in a trenchcoat

[quaint loom]

nobody wants to do that

[fathom bramble]

and while visually awesome

is not going to be actually fun

(imo, based on vods and never pulling it yet)

some of the early voidspire bosses were nice though

but all died in 1-5 pulls so like

they can be fun on farm ig

[viscid scaffold]

have a quick question regarding cps - i seem to land pretty often on 5, is this normal? pretty anoying when bte is next finisher

[frail veldt]

are you following the SS > PS rule to prevent this?

its only 1% so you dont have to

but that helps to not hit 5 as often

[gaunt phoenix]

it is normal but there is some optimization to sometimes dodge landing at 5

[rotund haven]

is the crucible trinket sim bait?

[radiant kelp]

any specific reason why outlaw is only visible in mythic top ranks?

compare to heroic

[cinder relic]

nop

[cinder relic]

confused by the question

[frail veldt]

maybe they mean why is it higher in mythic parses than in heroic parses?

like performing better?

not sure it is though lol thought it was bad on both

[vapid sundial]

Read like

'why does outlaw get high rank parses in mythic but not heroic'

[radiant kelp]

yea something like this

when you check heroic rankings for rouge

there's literally no outlaw

[vivid vessel]

its the same every season

outlaw doesnt get played on the hard boss

that bring rogue average down

sub and sin do

outlaw is first 4 boss only

and it pads a lot on these

[frail veldt]

but like

its not doing well

on mythic

even 95th percentile

this season were just bad period lol no matter how you look at it

[foggy cove]

what items are you suppose to focus crest upgrades other than weapon/trinket

[formal thunder]

next week balancing surely we get something, right?

[frail veldt]

oh nvm theyre just talking about "rankings" so just looking at top logs period

not overall stats ig

[formal thunder]

4% aura buff
2% bf nerf
is my prediction

[cinder relic]

Short fights are also better for sub/sin

[bright lodge]

Are we not done with tuning? I thought last reset was the last balancing patch till .0.5

[formal thunder]

say it aint so

[cinder relic]

correct

[foggy cove]

whats the option on raidbots sim to see what you should crest upgrade

[leaden sonnet]

Theres a + next to all of your items that you can use to upgrade your items

If you set the crests counter above your gear to what you currently have (or will have this week), raidbots will not create a setup that exceeds that with your upgrades

So just press the + on whatever pieces you are considering and see what ends up the highest

[formal thunder]

fml

[cinder relic]

well the .5 is the following patch

Like, next week

[foggy cove]

thank you

[quiet ore]

Since the .5 patch is next week (and we got nothing this week), a more realistic prediction is that they mess up the merge, like always, and the last 3 minor hotfix aura buffs we got get rolled back while all we get is ace talent change

[outer meteor]

another week, another reclear with no gaze

[glass shard]

tomorrow

or

next wednesday

[formal thunder]

so next week

[glass shard]

ty

#europe gang

[formal thunder]

guys, what if we just all bottom frag on purpose the whole week, and make blizzard think we're in dire needs of buffs?

[glass shard]

all rogues bottom frag by default

[formal thunder]

my guild is too bad, I'm topping meters in HC

maybe it's all been my fault

[tiny onyx]

watchu guys think about leeching enchants for legs and shoulders vs avoidance?

thinking about swapping my avoidance enchants to leech

[vivid vessel]

outlaw should play leech i think

we have 0 self healing

but we have feint

[cinder relic]

Leech for all 3 rogue specs is just correct

Feint solves all avoidance based damage

and u for sure dont need speed

[placid ocean]

crimson vial 🙃

[glass mortar]

get got zac

i bet u dont even have vial bound

[placid ocean]

because 25% hp every what, 30 seconds? is good

[vivid vessel]

ye its insane