omg guy so boring, ruining the joke
#outlaw
dim widget
cinder relic
cunning mountain
yo guys, i got the 240ilvl crit haste mace do i still craft the weapon or not?
dim widget
not touching sub is fine, but i think sin and law both deserve some love đ˘
copper radish
Don't think sub or law will get touched
Till tuning pass two?
balmy topaz
Till tuning pass two?
Ye
copper radish
Prayers for something good
balmy topaz
We do usually do well week 1
The only thing outlaw might see is aura buff into BF nerf
jolly geyser
We do usually do well week 1
what role you play in comp? see you on ow
jolly geyser
oh no an 67 emoter
balmy topaz
What you play Ram
balmy topaz
I enjoy the game atm
jolly geyser
ye its not bad
tough scaffold
yo dumb question do we ever press slice and dice? so new to rogue
crimson scarab
i think its one of the better iterations of the game lately
jolly geyser
aye
crimson scarab
but as outlaw you need some more haste to not feel as clunky currently
shadow flint
is there still a tank macro for tricks? i had a wa auto direct or sth does someone know?
jolly geyser
!tricks
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mystic berry
tbh, they did raise expectations by going "we are not gonna make a tuning pass on release guys, we want to see how bad guardian druid is blowing m0s"
cinder relic
tbh, they did raise expectations by going "we are not gonna make a tuning pass o...
Don't say things like that
frail veldt
pretty sure theyre uncapping outlaw
alpine smelt
hallow swan
can anyone share the overall dmg breakdown of a m0? my bte is kinda low (4th overall)
dark ember
- What do we objectively need
- What do we think we're realistically going to get
jolly geyser
- What do we objectively need
- What do we think we're realistically going to ge...
gf and nothing
oh in wow
frail veldt
hahahaha
frail veldt
- What do we objectively need
- What do we think we're realistically going to ge...
wdym "need"? LIke what would as close to guarantee us to be in meta?
if they did nothing to outlaw its not like its unplayable
mystic berry
- What do we objectively need
- What do we think we're realistically going to ge...
I think we gonna get some aura damage buff and a nerf to how blade flurry works to compensate, so we end up with like, a 3% effective buff
jolly geyser
we arent ranged so its not meta
dark ember
I'd be cool with 3-5% on the lever, since we're realistic that they're just turning knobs instead of changing talents.
jolly geyser
https://klipy.com/gifs/viralwigs-gifs-viralwigs-stan-twitter-6
I love this fuckin video
frail veldt
I think with our current kit were still in the position where unless we do more damage than every other spec in the game on overall, we wont really earn a spot in m+
jolly geyser
I just got Luxthox ui pack and modified it
frail veldt
I mean our kit wasnt great last season and its only gotten worse in terms of small little things we could hang on like being insanely tanky or having some decent low target cleave damage
mystic berry
I'd be cool with 3-5% on the lever, since we're realistic that they're just turn...
Im hoping for a meaty tuning, but I prefer to keep my expectations low
placid hollow
Seen that video I think that seems to be my option just dont have the time to teak things - will have to make the time I guess haa
placid hollow
hahahaha
jolly geyser
they guy who does the race to world first memes
but if you use Luxthos, get another platynator profile
!ui
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Resources:
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WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
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Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
Misc:
Clickable Raid Buffs - for poisons
WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator, track cursor
Mute Cold Blood sound - if we ever go back to this talent
placid hollow
w
jolly geyser
I use the jundies in that command
placid hollow
well look at that
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keen belfry
No try it
frail veldt
oh yeah I heard about that
keen belfry
U should
vivid vessel
ok
keen belfry
If u want arcui buffs without arcui
vivid vessel
let me try
copper radish
pretty sure theyre uncapping outlaw
Slow mode if this happens
vivid vessel
i mean
frail veldt
Slow mode if this happens
but isnt that a good thing
vivid vessel
at this point
frail veldt
why would we need slow mode
vivid vessel
idk why its not soft capped
like every other spec in the game
we are just getting fucked over on cd
copper radish
but isnt that a good thing
Theyâd probably hit it with âflurry was 30% now 5% and uncappedâ
frail veldt
more like slow mode if they decide to nerf BF % again
frail veldt
Theyâd probably hit it with âflurry was 30% now 5% and uncappedâ
ill take it
sign me up
copper radish
ill take it
Someone math 30% and 7 mobs versus 5% and uncapped 
copper radish
That initial flurry hit 
dark ember
Uncap BF, remove that +3 target talent, the buff is we get that point somewhere else?
I'd eat that
frail veldt
but yeah lets be honest, realistic result is "aura buffed by 5%, BF nerfed from 30%->25%"(blizz thinks this means our aoe doesnt go down)
then zac comes in and dooms
jolly geyser
they prolly remove the points you get from BF is they did that
frail veldt
then guy says were all complainers
jolly geyser
well you guys do whine a lot
vivid vessel
ye cause i wanna play the spec
and when it get nerfed on cd
its less viable
of course it doesnt matter for people that will play sub anyway and dont care
frail veldt
have you tried just ignoring that and having fun instead
vivid vessel
@mighty pivot you there cuh
jolly geyser
oh I know its not perfect lol
mystic berry
well you guys do whine a lot
All I want is not being told to play sub
near rock
then guy says were all complainers
he's not wrong
patent mirage
A softcap would do
sleek egret
wait, outlaw isn't the best rogue spec?
patent mirage
Like softcap and adjust talents
craggy quiver
Buff before heroic will be insane we always get hit with a nerf during heroic week
mystic berry
wait, outlaw isn't the best rogue spec?
After assassin gets buffed to the high heaven, it wont even be the second
copper radish
Imagine if they had a talent that extended flurys duration so we didnât have to always press itâŚ. I wonder what they would call that
jolly geyser
flurry costume
mystic berry
Imagine if they had a talent that extended flurys duration so we didnât have to ...
Just make it a passive at that point
I mean
Its always supposed to be up on aoe
the cps are nice but its perma up on these cases
peak dock
!gear
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sleek egret
nice and outdated
mystic berry
rn its just a maintenance buff when 2+ targets are around and I thought blizzard didnt like those
peak dock
No problem rofl
frail veldt
Imagine if they had a talent that extended flurys duration so we didnât have to ...
idk thats a little crazy
I think the players like having to let your cleave turn off at the end of a pack so you have it off cd for the next pack
peak dock
I was trying to get info about m0 track items after 17th
tacit orchid
getting familiar with the spec again in midnight, i kind of miss the rush i had with the constant high APM. it hurt my hands but it felt great. anyone feel the same?
hollow crown
getting familiar with the spec again in midnight, i kind of miss the rush i had ...
I haven't resubscribed for midnight yet. Is outlaw slower paced now?
mystic berry
everything got slower
tacit orchid
yeah, they changed adrenaline rush and the GCD is similar to the other specs
lucid sparrow
ST with bis gear
jolly geyser
I find this better apm, tww was annoying
fury was about the same, and I found that fine
fluid meadow
mobs doesn't care about stealthed players in dungeons rn? i mean we don't care about our stealth( but more comfortable if we don't get targeted by things), but tank pullin mobs and insta targeting with spellcast in stealth sometimes
hollow crown
everything got slower
I checked reddit for the first time in a while and saw a lot of doom about every class feeling incredibly CD window bound but figure outlaw is still pretty consistently fast
hollow crown
cool chart! where is this from?
mystic berry
I checked reddit for the first time in a while and saw a lot of doom about every...
If a class was slow before it became braindead
If it was cracked, it just became fast
And so on
hollow crown
Interesting, thanks. I'll have to play around with it and seee
lucid sparrow
cool chart! where is this from?
jolly geyser
!up
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peak dock
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1476887002019270761/...
So mythic 0 is dropping champion track next week? 
peak dock
isnt it s1 dungeons just a m0?
That is what im asking rofl
jolly geyser
solid heath
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Resources:
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- WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
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Misc: - Clickable Raid Buffs - for poisons
- WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator, track cursor
- Mute Cold Blood sound - if we ever go back to this talent
iron isle
reef plinth
Bruh it's nuts needing a WA for a thing that takes 2 seconds to look at and reapply.
north thunder
hey im looking for a fun melee alt and mess around on outlaw from time to time... I already maxed my uh dk and I'm not feeling it... how you guys feeling about your class so far?
spare arch
I would answer but I have no energy right now
open moon
CDM sounds are tied to sound effects volume aren't they
fossil lintel
hey im looking for a fun melee alt and mess around on outlaw from time to time.....
Outlaw is fun, remains to be seen if it'll be good
reef plinth
I'm having zero problem keeping up with other specs. I don't know what you're justifying as "good" but it seems fine right now.
dark ember
It's fun and our Apex isn't working against us. That's more than some classes can say. I'm having fun right now even before haste. I just wished our talents had some variance because there's really only one definitive way to play.
fossil lintel
I mean we still have 4 rounds of tuning to go through, outlaw has to outsim to compete with burst specs in raid usually
north thunder
Outlaw is fun, remains to be seen if it'll be good
heh being "good" isn't a pre-requisit seeing how I main SV lol
near rock
I mean we still have 4 rounds of tuning to go through, outlaw has to outsim to c...
burst doesn't matter as much as u think
fossil lintel
It does when there's forced downtime, outlaw gets double fucked by it
near rock
outside of dimmy it hasn't been a massive issue
plus theres a new talent that helps with downtime
dark ember
How big of a buff to Deadly Pursuit would it need for downtime to no longer be a problem
frail veldt
burst doesn't matter as much as u think
flexible damage profile kinda does though
I think its more that "sim" damage doesnt matter
people always see outlaw high on sims
and go "holy shit outlaw op its def gona be meta"
near rock
even max said that having a consistent dmg profile is beneficial in mythic and has its place
its not as bad as you think
frail veldt
and how many times has he brought outlaw to race?
near rock
who cares about the race 
no one here is playing in it
it still remains competitive in mythic
vivid vessel
frail veldt
good one
vivid vessel
otsda you will stay the most delusional outlaw player in the planet
frail veldt
imma make sure to put that in my applications "max said flat profile is good"
reef plinth
Stop comparing what they bring to the race as a way to tell if a class is good or not. They are on a level you can't obtain.
dark ember
Yeah idc about top I just need
- Fun
- Not get denied from pugs because of disparity perception
vivid vessel
I still cant play outlaw in my guilds kekw
frail veldt
Yeah idc about top I just need
- Fun
- Not get denied from pugs because of disp...
the latter is the issue here haha
near rock
you can get HoF playing outlaw easily idk bro
frail veldt
you can get HoF playing outlaw easily idk bro
never said you couldnt
reef plinth
You'll get denied being a rogue that isn't subltey because people just mindlessly look for classes some streamer told them was good.
vivid vessel
you can get HoF playing outlaw easily idk bro
ye but you are trolling your guild in many cases
so
frail veldt
You'll get denied being a rogue that isn't subltey because people just mindlessl...
thats kinda the issue isnt it
near rock
thats kinda the issue isnt it
right but thats more a community perception issue at that point
frail veldt
you could get hof parsing grey and not doing mechanics
doesnt mean its good to do so
reef plinth
The problem with M+ is everyone thinks they're fucking going to the MDI. And if they dont' have the best classes imaginable they can't clear things. It's pathetic the delusion lol
frail veldt
right but thats more a community perception issue at that point
so your idea is to trick peoples perception into believing outlaw is good?
near rock
where did I say that
vivid vessel
in many cases sub was so much better that playing otl was striaght up troll, now multiply that by 20x players in your guild
frail veldt
The problem with M+ is everyone thinks they're fucking going to the MDI. And if ...
I mean at a certain level reality sets in about what your spec is bringing to the group
near rock
I was arguing that getting invited to groups is more based on how the community percieves a spec
near rock
you don't
near rock
streamers start talking about it more, it gets more hype, etc
frail veldt
exactly
vivid vessel
I was arguing that getting invited to groups is more based on how the community ...
i mean thats true
lime lake
outlaw players just need to launch a massive psyop
vivid vessel
what does it change tho
lime lake
pay off a few streamers to say how good it is
vivid vessel
community perception often allign with how good a spec is
even tho its not always true
frail veldt
its not always relevant to the level those players are playing at
but its usually accurate
faint pendant
rogue is a premium class
jolly geyser
you guys complaining like we are arms lvl
frail veldt
I mean ofc in a last month of the season CE guild, being forced to play sub cuz outlaw isnt meta is silly
jolly geyser
oh nyoo my class
near rock
they just have extreme victim mentality
jolly geyser
spec
near rock
I understand why guy doesn't bother half the time
lethal oak
My Grandpa told me his dying wish was for me to get HoF as outlaw, can I do it for Gramps?
frail veldt
hard to win when youre wrong
jolly geyser
we are at mercy of feedback rng, just be negative and be suprised
smoky whale
yo guys, i'm doing some dungeons and seeing my details score im thinking if im doing smth bad with the class, how much are doing as averages? (im like 212)
frail veldt
yo guys, i'm doing some dungeons and seeing my details score im thinking if im d...
at 212 you could probably be in the ballpark of 60-65k ish?
but that very much depends how your tank is pulling
pack size
pacing
etc
group buffs
jolly geyser
we know it isnt perfect. Must same stuff every day, we get it
smoky whale
at 212 you could probably be in the ballpark of 60-65k ish?
like 40-45k as much
fossil lintel
At this point we need to bring a lot more damage than everyone else to be worth bringing, we don't even have an aoe stop anymore
frail veldt
At this point we need to bring a lot more damage than everyone else to be worth ...
that take isnt allowed, a flat damage profile is very good
reef plinth
Okay, you're right, the class is completely uselss nwo that it doens't have an AoE stop
jolly geyser
healers cant interr,except shaman
frail veldt
Okay, you're right, the class is completely uselss nwo that it doens't have an A...
so what does outlaw bring to the group in m+
genuine question
fossil lintel
What do we have for m+? The poison is very minor, we lack control options that other specs have
We don't bring bress or lust
reef plinth
Not every fucking dungeon has to be decided on what utility something brings? How about survivability? Hell i'll even use sub here, burst damage, there are other things in this game than Utility.
frail veldt
Not every fucking dungeon has to be decided on what utility something brings? Ho...
what game are you playing
you know our survivability is bad now right
jolly geyser
have you guys tried skips in m0?
reef plinth
It is important, but you bring other classes for it.
Idk what the fuck you're on about, i'm having zero problem surviving things
dark ember
I feel like it's really important to come out of the gate strong in .0 because that vibe will dictate your treatment for the rest of the expansion.
There's been time I was low tier in .0 and S tier the next, but people were still riding off the perception of the first tier and it was still hard to get in groups
frail veldt
It is important, but you bring other classes for it.
but what happens when those other classes with utility do more damage than outlaw
explain why someone would choose outlaw over those classes
fossil lintel
Your argument is literally "we bring damage", which is exactly what I said, we need to bring more damage than anyone else since we don't have utility
Why bring a rogue if it does the same damage as another class but brings zero utility?
ashen void
because we are friendly :3
vivid vessel
Idk what the fuck you're on about, i'm having zero problem surviving things
rogue in keys isnt a tanky class anymore
dark ember
explain why someone would choose outlaw over those classes
Cause my gear and dungeon score is better
fossil lintel
because we are friendly :3
What the fuck? Have you ever read this discord for more than 5 minutes?
vivid vessel
terrible against anything that isnt aoe
fossil lintel
Zac is our community figure ffs
jolly geyser
What the fuck? Have you ever read this discord for more than 5 minutes?
its the class channels,other places are good. People are just jerking off to their ego of knowledge
reef plinth
Idk, I feel like all of yalls talking points only matter in the top 1% of the playerbase pushing hardcore CE and Mythic plus.
fossil lintel
Meta is prevalent at all levels, even at +5s unfortunately
frail veldt
Idk, I feel like all of yalls talking points only matter in the top 1% of the pl...
well many of us here are those players
soft abyss
But always there are specs doing more dmg than the rest and always there will be
fossil lintel
It doesn't have to be, and it's shitty to be so, but it is
soft abyss
I mean utility is good, but every time 4 specs end up doing 10% more dmg in m+
frail veldt
and the reality of the community is that people apply these rules even in the lower levels of play
soft abyss
and these are in the whole MDI and very high keys
frail veldt
its just a fact of the game
soft abyss
ofc
It is logical to apply them
If I know hunter does 2x dmg than rogue I always bring hunter
vivid vessel
Idk, I feel like all of yalls talking points only matter in the top 1% of the pl...
ye not shit, nothing matters when you do weeklies?
frail veldt
so yes outlaw being bad in top 1% content does affect everyone because peoples perspective of the spec impacts even how people invite in just weekly keys
reef plinth
Which it shouldn't...
fossil lintel
It shouldn't but it does
soft abyss
I don't understand what it shouldn't means really
Ofc I want my weekly to go safer and faster
So I take the good classes, given that I don't know the players
reef plinth
Just because you invite a class that might be doing really well on a streamer's stream, does not mean every player is going to compete with them.
jolly geyser
most stuff should be viable but other things do stuff better
vivid vessel
Just because you invite a class that might be doing really well on a streamer's ...
but i dont know any of the guys tho? why shouldnt i just invite the best spec then
jolly geyser
Just join guilds and discord servers for runs,not hard
fossil lintel
Ofc I want my weekly to go safer and faster
Meta classes played badly won't correlate with better performance, and a huge glut of fotm rerollers are really bad, so people at lower keys should've learned already to not necessarily invite them.
I for example haven't invited a pug mage in 2 expansions.
vivid vessel
i have come to report my findings
frail veldt
i have come to report my findings
is it good?
vivid vessel
ye
soft abyss
Guys we can say whatever we want and act like we don't Invite good classes but the conversation has no basis. You always prefer to bring classes that do easily more dmg than the rest
frail veldt
Guys we can say whatever we want and act like we don't Invite good classes but t...
and bring other stuff
if youre picking between two specs that both do similar damage
reef plinth
But there's no guarantee, literally at all. That says they will do more dmg than the rest
fossil lintel
Oh no I literally don't invite pug mages
frail veldt
you pick the one that brings more other stuff
frail veldt
But there's no guarantee, literally at all. That says they will do more dmg than...
ofc not its a an educated gamble
when you invite someone
I mean when im playing on alts I dont invite outlaws
its just not worth it
reef plinth
Okay, so my point still stands, why does it matter what the class brings? If you're gambling even with the best classes.
sour cedar
we got a patch notes bingo going yet? outlaw buffs in the centre spot cause it's guaranteed!
fossil lintel
Even to like 15+ I don't invite pug mages
frail veldt
Okay, so my point still stands, why does it matter what the class brings? If you...
because gambling with the best classes has a higher expected outcome
rofl
thats the whole point
its not a blind gamble
reef plinth
Oh no it does not.
reef plinth
I wil lfight you on that lol
vivid vessel
@frail veldt @keen belfry all the cooldowns and ressource bars and shit are ayije cdm
frail veldt
if you generate a random number between 5-20 vs a random number between 1-15, which one is expected to be higher
reef plinth
No it does not, i've done the whole "only invite the best classes" bullshit that plagues yalls minds, and everytime, it's some FoTM reroller that's absolute dogshit
frail veldt
No it does not, i've done the whole "only invite the best classes" bullshit that...
your anecdote is irrelevant
vivid vessel
there is a few things that are annoying tho, like i cant have space between cps, moving the whole entire thing is very annoying cause things arent anchored to each other, and i cant center the cd text on bf bar
fossil lintel
Except mages, gambling on mages is a loss 99% of the time, they are either god or they are spending half the dungeon with their face in the ground
frail veldt
its not a statistical argument
reef plinth
How so? It's the same one you're making?
frail veldt
nope im making a logical statistical argument
vivid vessel
also i cant add another cd bar for ccs
reef plinth
How? Do you have %'s as to what good class you've invited and their performance vs bad classes and their performance? To back up your logisitcal arguemnt?
frail veldt
you could make the arugment that extremely easy to play fotm specs have very bad players on them and that can hurt the expected outcome
so you can take that into account
I often avoid inviting BM hunter
even when its op
for that reason
soft abyss
How? Do you have %'s as to what good class you've invited and their performance ...
The better classes do the same dmg if they play badly
reef plinth
No. They don't...
soft abyss
and twice as much if they play correctly
so the gamble is always to invite these classes
frail veldt
but you always should acknoweldge expected outcome when inviting someone if your goal is to have the highest success rate for your group
soft abyss
Yeah they do. Frost DK and BM last season is the proof
frail veldt
if you think that for some reason outlaw players are objectively better than the rest of the playerbase and will overcome their specs shortcomings then thats your perogative
reef plinth
Okay, I've still beaten bot hof those specs as an outlaw rogue...
frail veldt
but I think that would be incorrect
frail veldt
Okay, I've still beaten bot hof those specs as an outlaw rogue...
irrelevant anecdote
reef plinth
At keys higher than 10's
frail veldt
lets stay on point
soft abyss
your personal results are (apart from a small stasticial point of view) irrelevant
stone cradle
I don't know why you're still arguing with someone who's proved they don't believe in statistics
dark ember
I personally invite better gear, dungeon score, and good message vibes. That's literally it. I think anyone who does anything more than that at any stage below rtwf is kidding themselves.
lime lake
numbers are fake
reef plinth
You don't have statistics though?
soft abyss
you can't brick a 10 or 12 in the 4th month of the season it does not matter
lime lake
watch me
reef plinth
WHAT lol, you definitely can.
fossil lintel
We're talking about averages here not outliers
soft abyss
You don't have statistics though?
I have. Rogue was doing 9m DPS and hunter-frost was doing 15-17 if played perfectly
reef plinth
Dude, i've seen fucking 4 keys bricked late in a season.
soft abyss
so even if played at 60% (also easier specs than rogue) they are higher
fossil lintel
I gapped a uh DK frost mage on 0s on my ww monk this week, doesn't mean ww is god tier
soft abyss
I said it is always better to bring the 4 top specs of each season
reef plinth
You're basing your argument off last expansion where numbers and tuning were completely different...
I guess i'm doing that too. but still
soft abyss
Now it is even worse xd
I am talking about a really balanced season
Maybe this shapes to be a more balanced one, but this does not mean previous season was bad
You could do with almost every class the MDI level dungeons
frail veldt
WHAT lol, you definitely can.
self report lol
reef plinth
oh, you've never bricked a key?
soft abyss
With my main ? a 10? actually I could almost solo the key
me the tank and the healer
And I am not that good of a player
it is just tuned insanely low
frail veldt
oh, you've never bricked a key?
I can happily say ive never bricked a 10-12 4 months into the season no
do you know what bricking a key means
its not the same as failing a key
keen belfry
<@151872253229924352> <@177964030474977281> all the cooldowns and ressource bars...
Easy to setup?
vivid vessel
well i had to fix an error on the addon tho cause new api update broke something
frail veldt
the UI looks so good
almost as good as elles
but more functionality
my body is ready
vivid vessel
I guess it took me like 1 h
frail veldt
is this our holy grail
frail veldt
is it good enough for you to leave WA?
placid ocean
I gapped a uh DK frost mage on 0s on my ww monk this week, doesn't mean ww is go...
I keep getting gapped by our ww monk too. Granted, I havent played seriously since ... legion?
vivid vessel
there are things i dislike a lot
vivid vessel
is it good enough for you to leave WA?
no i will use weak aura for a lot of other things
reef plinth
WW is strong af right now.
vivid vessel
for example i cant have a stealth and poiisons tracker with this right
frail veldt
no i will use weak aura for a lot of other things
but for main rotation/buff tracking I mean
dark ember
"Your gear may be 20% better than ours, but this streamer said your spec underperforms by 5%. Sorry!" Pug groupleads deserve misfortune.
I don't think I'd be concerned about da numbers as much if the average pugger was a bit smarter at parsing data and lists.
keen belfry
for example i cant have a stealth and poiisons tracker with this right
Are you using any WA in that video u sent
vivid vessel
also i cant have my cc cds tracked on this
vivid vessel
Are you using any WA in that video u sent
the ccs are weak aura
jolly geyser
just let it go zac
keen belfry
Thatâs it?
frail veldt
<@151872253229924352> <@177964030474977281> all the cooldowns and ressource bars...
wait why dont you have unit names or hp or anything
on your nameplates
dark ember
If someone low tier has good gear and good score they should get the invite prio because you know they're absolutely sweating to make it happen
frail veldt
ah
vivid vessel
i didnt wanna break my live ui
frail veldt
fair
keen belfry
Nice
frail veldt
huge
keen belfry
Seems quite good
vivid vessel
but as i said
frail veldt
I know what im doing after work
vivid vessel
some things are bad
frail veldt
seems like you were able to recreate all the small visual stuff though
which is nice
like good desaturating, moving stack number around
and coloring it
etc etc
keen belfry
Iâm gonna stick with the base awang cdm for now but gonna just try out ayjejjej
dark ember
Is there a real expectation to see tuning info this evening before Tuesday or is it all just cope vibes. I'm see a lot of people talk about it like it's going to absolutely drop.
And I thought it wasn't going to till Tuesday
vivid vessel
Iâm gonna stick with the base awang cdm for now but gonna just try out ayjejjej
- i cant center bf bar text
- i cant move the whole thing at once (biggest issue) cause nothing is anchored to anything, like the bars arent anchored to anythiung etc
- i cant have an additional cd bar for the ccs
- still have the gcd swipe on the icons but i guess an addon can prolly remove that
- cant really do anything on the buffs like i wanted to have snd only shown when its not up and i cant, tho granted on arcui you can do that but not really cause the icon is set to alpha 0 but still tehre so there is a hole
- i dont have my spaces between cps also
reef plinth
Probably this weekend they'll put something out i'm sure.
sterile wadi
Is the addon open source?
hollow belfry
How does outlaw feel to play right now? I'm thinking of resubbing but the addon changes and class changes make me question whether I should
sterile wadi
Could you just fork it and add what you need?
vivid vessel
there isnt a github on the curse page
jolly geyser
How does outlaw feel to play right now? I'm thinking of resubbing but the addon ...
feels fine to me. lets see after tuning
shy sandal
feels fine to me. lets see after tuning
we know what is coming?
jolly geyser
no
reef plinth
Eyy purple tier 2 rogue recolor!
dark ember
How does outlaw feel to play right now? I'm thinking of resubbing but the addon ...
Feels good and snappy and fun, not the best but still better than some. Our Apex doesn't kill the spec for us which is nice. I'm having more fun with it and maining it this season for the first time since like BfA
Tuning-to-be has many spooked however.
Addon-pocalypse sucks but honestly it's not so bad. A lot of good things still work. The average player won't be affected.
glass anvil
am I being an idiot or did they make blind single target? I swear it used ot be aoe
vivid vessel
rogue had too much utility so
vivid vessel
no we dont
sterile wadi
But we have insane damage
vivid vessel
:D
sterile wadi
like other classes cant keep up đ
arctic hollow
no we dont
nice, i was getting too many invites for keys
jolly geyser
keys rn,real
fossil lintel
Is there a real expectation to see tuning info this evening before Tuesday or is...
They will release it either today or Monday, usually they release the Friday before.
For example, on tww launch they had a tuning 1 week before raids opened and the first week tuning, both had a preview on the Friday before.
They release the notes on aug 30th for the September 3rd reset and on September 6th for the sep 10th reset
crimson scarab
i guess we will see soon enough what they have in store for us
lethal oak
10% aura nerf
wintry leaf
What are we hoping for?
crimson scarab
with the blizzard ui is it possible to make defensives, such as feint, cloak and evasion, to appear on top of my personal frame?
crimson scarab
would you say this is the best one?
modest nova
Guys i'm confused. For Weapon enchant, Agi proc is not the Bis One ?
vivid vessel
ye
mystic berry
What are we hoping for?
hoping? Ace 1 point, 2 charge ADR in place of prep, fast action is now something related to energy regen, ks significantly buffed, HO reworked
Expect? 0-10% aura buff and bug fixes
potent ore
too bad ayije cant track garrote
crimson scarab
is someone willing to share an adequate ayije profile?
vivid vessel
too bad ayije cant track garrote
debuff?
or wdym
its a cdm skinner so
i assume if it cant its just blizzard no ?
vivid vessel
i can but i did it quikcly and only for outlaw
modest nova
#outlaw message Sims said both agi proc one ? I'm so confused lol
crimson scarab
i can but i did it quikcly and only for outlaw
i would only need it for outlaw and I can play around with it for a bit
vivid vessel
crimson scarab
worst case scenario i can always go back to blizz ui đ
thank you very much, I appreciate it!!
worthy surge
mint ether
there any consensus on a good compromise raid cleave build?
keep dancing steel/grand melee and drop deft maneuvers for something?
vivid vessel
dancing steel would only be usefull if there is more than 5 targets
which in raid is often not the case
i would prolly just take gm only
and go 2 ace to get to it
mint ether
makes sense
vivid vessel
i mean depends on boss haha
mint ether
every fight (so far) has adds
mystic berry
i mean depends on boss haha
yeah
mint ether
dreamrift has some sustained AOE with adds
vivid vessel
let me remmeber the fights
mint ether
I think vorasius seems more ST though
vivid vessel
i think first boss you would play aoe build, its perma killing adds iirc
mint ether
yea, I think so
vivid vessel
2nd boss is kinda full st even tho there is adds spawning
mint ether
but the dragons is much more ST, you can't clump them
yea the adds die quickly and you can't really prio them when you want
vivid vessel
this guy i dont rermember
mystic berry
If the adds die fast I wouldnt take gm
vivid vessel
this i would play st i think
mint ether
he spawns adds you have to kill, but I think it's more prio isolated targets
nova sinew
I was cleaving dragons in testing
vivid vessel
council fight i dont remmber but i guess aoe
vivid vessel
I was cleaving dragons in testing
really?
mint ether
I thought they had to be 15 yards apart
vivid vessel
werent they tanked too far
ye
i mean you can cleave with bte but
not enough value for bf
nova sinew
Or I might be thinking of the adds
Thereâs a lot there
Especially for intermission
Nexus king and light blinded are like 2 target fights a lot of the time
nova sinew
really?
ok i wasnt imagining it
iirc you couldnt cleave testing 1 but could testing 2
nova blaze
hi yall think that murder row fishhook is worth it to craft ? gives bleed
jolly geyser
isnt that trinket kinda dookie?
potent ore
debuff?
yeah the debuff, he said he removed the tracking in his disco
"by demand" he said
try it
sterile tusk
how do you track what you rolled from roll the bones
cinder relic
Rtb buff bar in cdm
vivid vessel
yeah the debuff, he said he removed the tracking in his disco
track the buff no ?
or wdym
if you mean overlay on cd icons
i also hate that
so i understand why its removed
sterile tusk
Rtb buff bar in cdm
so i would have to turn on the text?
cinder relic
I think so?
U just have to track rtb as a buff
U can tell by the icons, the icons are very obvious
sterile tusk
when i track rtb as a buff i get the duration, but i don't see the icon option at all lol
frail veldt
can also have it as an icon
can you show your UI?
are you sure you arent tracking the rtb cooldown
the rtb buff is separate
sterile tusk
i turned on the text
frail veldt
yeah it says one of a kind
frail veldt
that should be default I think you have an addon blocking it
sterile tusk
hmm
frail veldt
by default the bar should have a little icon to the left of it
sterile tusk
okay i foudn it thakns
crimson scarab
when i use feint, cloak & evasian, i also see a bar in the center of the UI over the CPs and energy bar, how can i disable this?
frail veldt
when i use feint, cloak & evasian, i also see a bar in the center of the UI over...
go into your cdm and remove them from tracked buffs
crimson scarab
thank u very much, i was hitting my head against the wall
also its not possible to track opportunity as buff right?
gaunt phoenix
crimson scarab
jolly geyser
dont be
crimson scarab
â¤ď¸
is it possible to make gravedigger glow when i have 6 or more stacks of it?
vivid vessel
no
vivid vessel
yes
trim harbor
any fix or atlernative its just too annoying sometime the bars from the BLIZZARDS UI just teleport around the screen
crisp elm
@keen belfry u playing enh i saw? do you like it?
burnt dragon
what are we crafting? main hand with embellishment?
placid ocean
Rogue friends, I have a question. We use feint, right?
quaint mauve
placid ocean
Oh, good. I was told (by a hunter) that I lost respect from the entire rogue community for using feint.
tough ocean
Oh, good. I was told (by a hunter) that I lost respect from the entire rogue com...
never listen to those idiots
placid ocean
Oh, I wasn't
tough ocean
Feint is one of the best defensives in the game
and an even better one if you run elusiveness instead of cheat
tough ocean
because theyre stupid
languid sun
room temp iq
In Celsius not Fahrenheit
stray flume
is the two sets from the omission of light/void rings taken into account correctly in topgear ? it says it's outperformed by a slightly better stated ring and I didn't expect that
polar kelp
Rogue friends, I have a question. We use feint, right?
Make sure you have enough haste though....right now without 20-25% haste feint can run you dry...so better to use cloak or vanish or evasion .....or just use it sparingly until you have proper energy regen
placid ocean
Make sure you have enough haste though....right now without 20-25% haste feint c...
I have like 11 or 12%. Been absolutely cooked with luck on haste gear. Nearly 600 crit though
polar kelp
Rings help a lot, enchant/gem on rings too
stray flume
does anyone use omission of light/void rings 2 sets ? are they bis atm ?
placid ocean
Good point. I've been holding off on gems and enchants because of how quickly gear has been getting replaced
keen belfry
<@177964030474977281> u playing enh i saw? do you like it?
Itâs meh, stormbringer doesnât play apex
dim parrot
Rogue friends, I have a question. We use feint, right?
Like 70% uptime in dungeons
placid ocean
Totemic is fun
frail veldt
Oh, good. I was told (by a hunter) that I lost respect from the entire rogue com...
If you hadnt said it was a hunter I might have guessed it was a hunter who said something that dumb
polar kelp
I havent seen an outlaw in an m0 yet. Do they exist?
I haven't been beat in overall yet in any M0
But no, there's like 10 of us who play the spec
finite parcel
polar kelp
Outlaw higher overall, sub higher burst
placid ocean
If you hadnt said it was a hunter I might have guessed it was a hunter who said ...
In their defense, they've been playing a ton of tbc lately
stray flume
is there a bis list somewhere for pre season ?
river wing
why is it always hunter lmao
the only class that gets a thinking-brain dog to cover for the master's deficiencies
crisp elm
Itâs meh, stormbringer doesnât play apex
okay ty, looking for an alt, hows totemic?
tranquil totem
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keen belfry
okay ty, looking for an alt, hows totemic?
Totemic is better than previous, try it out you might like it
My alt rankings are pretty low but fire mage and enhance shamans are contenders
crisp elm
Totemic is better than previous, try it out you might like it
thanks will send it, looks pretty fun
untold yarrow
does anyone have a better BCDM alternative
MSUF and BCDM are just dogshit together
mystic berry
why not trade msuf then?
frail veldt
does anyone have a better BCDM alternative
Ayije cdm
untold yarrow
yes im happy to get rid of either
mystic berry
based
snow stratus
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copper radish
Base cdm + resource bar addon + cooldown manager centered
I wonder what resource bar addon you useâŚ. Must be đâd
light kernel
is it hard int if i spend veteran crest on weaps and trinkets
upper surge
Hmmm
vivid vessel
dont listen to this guy
upper surge
dont listen to this guy
vivid vessel
ok bud
upper surge
is it hard int if i spend veteran crest on weaps and trinkets
No, it's not. After this week you won't use veteran crests ever again but definitely think out what you're going to replace easily next week and what you're not going to replace. If you have time before next week's raid, you might consider holding off upgrading veteran pieces until after you've done your hunts and your delves
upper surge
dont listen to him he is just farming fame
Thank God everybody knows not to take you seriously
vivid vessel
im very serious
upper surge
The amount of slander out here
upper surge
Whispyr and I have bonded over femboys hi thyme
vivid vessel
light kernel
dont listen to him he is just farming fame
so its hard int ?
light kernel
i want to listen to u too
light kernel
ur getting old zac
vivid vessel
and i dot that
copper radish
Zac is just a casual this season he has no idea whatâs going on
vivid vessel
i know bro ..
upper surge
ur getting old zac
Zac literally does what I tell him to do
vivid vessel
Zac is just a casual this season he has no idea whatâs going on
i never have any idea whats going on early season
but i think thats farily normal for like 99% of people
copper radish
Go with the flow đ
light kernel
in 2 weeks we'll forget anyways xd
vivid vessel
you just read the guide of the guiy that spent 50 hours figuring the stuffs out
- its all turbo useless
copper radish
Ready for some good notes tonight
upper surge
+ its all turbo useless
Pot calling kettle black here
-# You're probably too dumb to understand so I'm saying that you're turbo useless
vivid vessel
no
wintry solar
Go with the flow đ
That emoji has been ruined for me
copper radish
That emoji has been ruined for me
Do I even wanna know why lol
wintry solar
you know why
still matrix
when does tuning come out this weekend?
glass mortar
if the notes dont drop tonight, which believe it or not they still could (sometimes they force an intern to stay until 6 PM and post the notes just to see if they can catch us sleepin) then they wont be till next week
the devs dont work the weekends
bright crane
It ainât intern season
ancient cobalt
as a dev we work on the weekends
mystic berry
its so over bros
keen junco
as a dev we work on the weekends
Where notes then?
ancient cobalt
soon dudeâ
keen junco
Blizzard owned by gaslighters inc
It really is our fault thereâs no notes about major tuning happening in raid day 1 with little to no notice if you really think about it
They wanted those extra 3 week to fix the gajillion bugs before tuning
bright crane
Probably coming on Monday if they donât release them by 6
keen junco
LOL did notes just drop?
bright crane
Rofl yeah
vivid vessel
another sub tier
vivid vessel
mystic berry
"atleast you can play sub"
vivid vessel
me when its another sub tier
mystic berry
Like, they don't even hide it anymore that they want us to play sub
desert tendon
another sub tier
GG, who s surprised?
keen junco
Do I gaslight the dev into dropping the notes? This is important
desert tendon
And then we ll hear someone in 3 patches say "no but outlaw was fine in S1 midnight stop being mad"
vivid vessel
did they legit buff every spec in the game or what
zinc briar
0 tuning
mystic berry
Unholy
All damage reduced by 20%.
Epidemic damage increased by 10%.
Virulent Plague damage increased by 15%.
Idk
zinc briar
another sub tier
wtf!!!?
vivid vessel
ye fuck them
vapid sundial
HAAHAHAH
spice gull
unholy and guradian druid got nerfed
mystic berry
guardian druid will still outdps half the specs
vapid sundial
I told u guys
spice gull
but wtf is this ret pally buff
mystic berry
outlaw will not get buffs
I would prefer a nerf at this point
vivid vessel
they did it again btw
mystic berry
just so we are mentioned in the patch notes
chilly vale
mystic berry
Blizz is like "can you finally, please, play sub?"
And save us the effort of tuning the other 2 specs
glass mortar
ok but
this goes hard af
arms has been directly nerfed like 10 patches in a row btw
i guess at least they didnt need to wait until after a week of raid for compensation
zinc briar
how not
glass mortar
i think they fired all the math guys
zinc briar
mega buff on mage
copper radish
outlaw will not get buffs
Outlaw got 12% dmg Inc for PvP
mystic berry
Arrcane got buffed
holy shit
Im so fucking cooked
well, atleast it seems a st buff
fossil lintel
Uh DK needed a 30ish% nerf to be around 100k ST, they got less than 20
mystic berry
I'm way more worried that all the top specs simply got a profile rearrangement
which means, that we get dumped harder
nova sinew
st buff aoe nerf
frail veldt
shadow priest PL from 60% cleave to 20%
Wow that's honestly dumb af lol
That's way too big a shift
glass mortar
yea i mean
PL is less of their aoe kit then ours but my priest friends r a bit worried
pres's gigabusted apex got cut in half
thats funny
lavish shoal
Might be time to honestly
Quit
Where are the rogue devs
They donât exist or what
mystic berry
Where are the rogue devs
best they could do was hire a sub intern
lavish shoal
@vapid sundial how cooked is this shit bro
mystic berry
I'm slightly pissed because sub was already the go-to raiding spec
and now it got st buffs
keen belfry
Why didnât we get any notes again
lavish shoal
Because fuck rogue
lavish shoal
So sin and outlaw are just turbo dogshit right
glass mortar
đ
fossil lintel
Why didnât we get any notes again
Rogues got a full like 8 lines man, that's all the budget they have for our class
mystic berry
So sin and outlaw are just turbo dogshit right
nah, we were performing well among rogues before, but now I wouldn't be surprised if your guild ask you to swap to sub
some guilds already did before
fossil lintel
How big is the sub ST buff?
fossil lintel
I know, they probably don't have the numbers yet and I feel safer among my pirate friends
glass mortar
woah
fossil lintel
Oh nvm they posted numbers
glass mortar
all the rogue tcers are dedicated to the craft to a very respectable degree compared to many class discords ive been in
its not just solo even if hes our goat
the other specs are very well maintained
mystic berry
Thank god I got a chill guild but I will have to work hard in m+
glass mortar
and they update fast
fossil lintel
Oh yeah, but the news came out 15 min ago
glass mortar
now of course, solo would have had our sims out like 5 minutes before this but still
fossil lintel
Need to find all the spell IDs, calculate the new coefficients, double check everything and run the sim
fossil lintel
6% ST buff, we may still be ahead in Sims at least
vivid vessel
ye bro maybe outlaw is 1 % ahead in sims
fossil lintel
They were at 95k before, should get them close to 101k
clever wasp
6% ST buff, we may still be ahead in Sims at least
yeah thats copium 
vivid vessel
me when sub and outlaw does the same damage in sims
mystic berry
It seems like they used that google sheet info to balance
thats why only sub got touched
lol
vernal star
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normal forge
much harder to achieve better numbers with law i belive
vivid vessel
i mena idk about that
its just that
when downtime
and damage amps
and just
cd values
are accounted
crisp elm
outlaw not dead i believe
vivid vessel
outlaw simming the same as sub
just means its turbo dog
anyway
my daggers are ready
fossil lintel
Yeah, sub damage profile is a lot better for raid, but maybe I get to play m+ and not be too behind
lime lake
real
outer meteor
another season another dagger craft
opal raven
do these sub's trickster buffs are for outlaw too ?
fossil lintel
No, just sub
lime lake
most of them are nerfs not buffs
normal forge
yeah, its a good day to play law if u compare to last season, still, i whish we were stronger, because our rotation is very hard to perfect
fossil lintel
when downtime
We have a whole 10 sec of CDR during downtime now!
It's like a whole two eviscerates
stuck patrol
Ngl I wonder if picking movement speed increase uptime instead of CDR talent will realistically bring more cdr
fathom bramble
downtime mitigation that triggers by accident all the time
that we can't plan for
or even track for some reason
vivid vessel
also its 10s of cdr so its turbo useless
fossil lintel
You just need to trigger it 18 times for a full extra adr!
glass mortar
i like them trying
normal forge
which talent u guys talking about?
stuck patrol
More movement speed = stay on boss more
vivid vessel
which talent u guys talking about?
the useless one
ye im not talenting into this shit
glass mortar
crazy what happens when you dont... even attempt to iterate on changes u make to a spec
vivid vessel
i will take move speed
glass mortar
normal forge
the useless one
fast action?
fossil lintel
I don't remember the name
glass mortar
its kinda nice in the open world ive found but thats about it
vivid vessel
fast action?
ye fast cock or smth
tribal cosmos
Feels weak sauce
glass mortar
i tried dropping it during WQs and BF kept being on cd when id run to a new group
normal forge
sterile wadi
Yall see the notes?https://www.wowhead.com/news/class-tuning-incoming-incoming-for-season-1-on-march-17-380784?utm_source=discord-webhook Nothing for outlaw đ
glass mortar
Yo is anyone just not hyped for midnight
many of us since beta
craggy barn
Yall see the notes?https://www.wowhead.com/news/class-tuning-incoming-incoming-f...
there is outlaw changes đ
stuck patrol
or health for keys
Idk, I think it might be better in keys bc more chances for downtime to proc it
craggy barn
tribal cosmos
The game just feels like a massive part of it is ripped out
craggy barn
pepw
fossil lintel
Not fast action, it's the one before the first gate on the left
vivid vessel
Idk, I think it might be better in keys bc more chances for downtime to proc it
ye but no its still turbo useless
tribal cosmos
Were the mythic bosses even challenging
glass mortar
Idk, I think it might be better in keys bc more chances for downtime to proc it
the problem is its just too weak
its like 1 single finishers worth of cdr
normal forge
craggy barn
theres not really downtime if u r constantly pulling to go fast
glass mortar
even if u procced it every single pack a dungeon
after the combat
how many finishers do u send a dungeon
the amount of "extra" would be so small
quiet ore
Apparently we are perfectly balanced - the bar by which other classes are measured
smoky lotus
Lmao too bad for anyone expecting tuning to resolve anything
tribal cosmos
Tuning wont fix the horrrible feeling of these classes
stuck patrol
I expected sub to get buffed and outlaw to be left behind, that's just the norm. But no Sin buffs with how behind it is?? 
fossil lintel
Well just 3 more tunings to go, maybe we get mentioned on a sub rogue dev note or something
tribal cosmos
Did they release notes for tuesday
fossil lintel
They did
frail veldt
I expected sub to get buffed and outlaw to be left behind, that's just the norm....
and it got nerfed in pvp even though it was by far the worst of the 3 rogue specs
tribal cosmos
Lemme seee dat shit
stuck patrol
and it got nerfed in pvp even though it was by far the worst of the 3 rogue spec...
Yup lmao
frail veldt
LOL no
glass mortar
12% is a pretty bug number
frail veldt
were like 40% behind
glass mortar
oh r u
frail veldt
yeah
cuz all the pvp nerfs are still in place from before
so RB is nerfed still p sure
and bte crit damage is nerfed
and crits do less damage in pvp
glass mortar
u know whats funny tho
glass mortar
i dont think the pve change to BtE talent
frail veldt
outlaw is barely a spec in pvp
glass mortar
even impacted pvp
stuck patrol
Sub is the only one that gets talent to get cheap shot cd resets so
glass mortar
because the crit damage is already overwritten to a lower number
that number isnt based off a % of the max
frail veldt
the bte crit damage talent has a 0.5 modifier in pvp
glass mortar
its just its own thing
oh does it? i thought it just had a template crit damage of like 175
frail veldt
no its a modifier after the fact
vivid vessel
cause sub got aoe nerfed
frail veldt
to that talent specifically
vivid vessel
maybe we can play this tier
frail veldt
yeah yeah
frail veldt
since every group always takes a rogue in keys
vivid vessel
what if guys ..
frail veldt
for their irreplaceable group utility
glass mortar
guys....
quiet ore
maybe we are the key spec
I was thinking this, too. We are the pivot around which game balance revolves
mental harness
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glass mortar
zacomp actually got pretty big buffs in this huh
normal forge
i just wanna be top dps on raids this tier
tribal cosmos
Bro unholy just caught a 20% ?
glass mortar
just the way its meant 2 b
vivid vessel
zacomp actually got pretty big buffs in this huh
did we
tribal cosmos
Holy fuck
vivid vessel
i didnt read shit
quiet ore
wdym levy
Since we got no tuning, but a lot else did, you couldn't have judged those against one another. If you had to pick a spec to say "this is the goal DPS" when tuning, it must have been us
vivid vessel
did brew get nerfed
glass mortar
brm got a little nerf i think, cat got buffs
frail veldt
Bro unholy just caught a 20% ?
still gona be top lol
vivid vessel
cause brw outdamage me all season rn
vivid vessel
Since we got no tuning, but a lot else did, you couldn't have judged those again...
i see what you mean
wintry leaf
Wow.! Only sub is getting a buff? Weren't they already good????
glass mortar
idk
frail veldt
I cant understand bear changes
lavish shoal
Cause bear outdps outlaw
glass mortar
guildy was saying it wasnt nearly enough and theyd still beat dps
frail veldt
too much nonsense words
glass mortar
druid changes r always hard to parse ngl
lavish shoal
Hey man outlaw does below tank dps but itâs definitely balanced tho
daring yoke
guys i thought we waited weeks for tuning so that outlaw can get a buff đ
quiet ore
i see what you mean
Also notable is that specs that were simming right next to us like marksmen hunter got minor bugfix tweaks while we got none
tribal cosmos
Restoration is nerfed 6% hmm i see
broken cargo
Wow.! Only sub is getting a buff? Weren't they already good????
st buff, aoe nerf
wintry leaf
@broken cargo oh?? All I saw is Subtlety
broken cargo
