#outlaw

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desert tendon
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most good gamers are playing the game for such a long time that they re getting bored

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the game being the worst it ever been is brought every single expansion launch

proven ocean
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Game was good on launch in tww, df, legion and SL

desert tendon
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Ok so SL is the worst expac ever

proven ocean
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ur just reverse dooming and u doom when nobody is dooming

desert tendon
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at launch

leaden folio
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@vivid vessel un vrai capitaine coule avec son navire

proven ocean
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We understand you censi

desert tendon
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legion i dont remember

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DF was weird, like, brought good ideas but so many flaws

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tww is my personnal worse

gaunt phoenix
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DF preseason was probably my favorite

desert tendon
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preseason was banger

vivid vessel
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Oui oui

desert tendon
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yea idk nailo speaking french idk

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but preseason was good imo because covenants + new trees

errant sorrel
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Hi, I am looking for what to main for midnight. I heard that during TWW outlaw was supra fun with a gameplay that never repeats itself between runs. Is it still the case?

placid ocean
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After the midnight changes, is outlaw more focused on burst windows now?

faint pendant
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I mean there is no crackshot anymore

placid ocean
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I havent played outlaw since outlaw was combat btw

gaunt phoenix
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Outlaw does not burst at all

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Burst belongs to sin and sub

placid ocean
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Yeah, there was a short that popped up un my notifications by comeback kids that said outlaw has more focus on burst windows in midnight, which sounded wrong to me so I figured I'd ask

untold wadi
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ok guys

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it's final

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no more debate

proven ocean
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Why outlaw in S tier?

desert tendon
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one mage spec below A

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cant be true

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Zero how do you feel not playing the game when u see aug is potentially back?

near rock
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way more than what we were workin with before

placid ocean
untold wadi
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vibes

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or wait

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no

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facts

placid ocean
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Devourer is F tier btw

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1 button rotation

faint pendant
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won't there be big class changes patch on march 17th

near rock
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not class changes, but tuning

vivid vessel
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Eh

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That's not really

untold wadi
gaunt phoenix
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Our opener dps does peak a little higher

untold wadi
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there is no more cracked out gameplay

faint pendant
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no more crackshot

untold wadi
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with the removal of stealth crackshot spam

faint pendant
gaunt phoenix
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is outlaw fun-- I can't answer that for you
does outlaw repeated itself-- eh, you are reacting to different procs and buffs, but largely you are following the same simple priority

placid ocean
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Blizzard said they'd remove vanish as a rotational ability, then kept it for assassin

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And turned sub into a 2 button brainlet spec.
So I think I'm pulling thunderfury out again, after like 15 years.

gaunt phoenix
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there are a lot of people that dislike how simple outlaw has become, and others that like that the old stealth windows are gone

prisma heron
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The mini game of maintaining ADR uptime was fun when it worked but being pushed out and being stuck out due to mechanics or RP was awful

pure folio
# errant sorrel So, no?

Depends what you enjoy. It is one of the more engaging rotations, but the damage is kinda average/below average. If you like the stealth aspect of rogue, outlaw is not it tho

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ur gameplay does repeat itself a lot, just the nature of the game. every class follows a priority

placid ocean
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I didnt like the RNG aspect, but thats not as big anymore afaik

jolly geyser
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Just try the spec out? Not hard

gaunt phoenix
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it's not exactly like sub or sin where you could have an entirely scripted cooldown window

pure folio
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yea, its not cookie cutter

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it is just reacting to priority buttons and making decisions. but there is a lot less skill expression and variance now so youll find yourself in the same spots more often than before imo

pure folio
placid ocean
untold wadi
gaunt phoenix
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you're not wrong

prisma heron
pure folio
gaunt phoenix
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outlaw comparatively still has a fair amount of decisions and keybinds

fervent garden
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hey so if we have been playting trickster in pre-patch, is the play to switch to Fatebound?

gaunt phoenix
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yeah, we will go fatebound as soon as you can get Deal Fate

fervent garden
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gotcha

gaunt phoenix
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so, level 82?

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or just do it immediately

placid ocean
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The play is to stick to trickster because my M+ tank has low threat gen 🙂

prisma heron
gaunt phoenix
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unfortunately

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Fatebound should feel a lot better resource-wise

errant sorrel
# jolly geyser Just try the spec out? Not hard

I have fairly limited knowledge of WoW in general. I need to play a class quite a bit to fully understand all the aspects involved. And since I'm hesitating between 4/5 specs, I'd rather talk to people who know what they're talking about than spend ten hours playing each one

prisma heron
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ohh ok thats more important than pulling agro during pulls lol

errant sorrel
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Your answers have been very helpful, thank you

prisma heron
gaunt phoenix
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I can tell you right now that Outlaw is hardly ever favorable on mythic progression

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if that's what you're going for

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There are people that make it work cause they are good

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and there are some tiers where it doesnt really matter a whole lot

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but it's an uphill battle every time

errant sorrel
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Nah I don’t look at tierlist, I just like a high skill ceiling and a lot of variety in the gameplay

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Just want to have some fun

jolly geyser
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fun in wow? how dare you

errant sorrel
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😂

prisma heron
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Cant expect other people to know what you find fun 😂

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There are people that find dev evoker fun

errant sorrel
vivid vessel
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Hm

prisma heron
vivid vessel
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I don't think that exist in wow anymore I'm ngl

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Outlaw is certainly not a high skill ceiling spec in midnight

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You can say whatever you want

hasty warren
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outlaw midnight gameplay

jolly geyser
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play fury warr

prisma heron
hasty warren
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idk what arms is

vapid blaze
hasty warren
errant sorrel
# prisma heron Have you tried healers?

Yes I was leveling a rdruid until now and began to question my choices after 10 hours.

Watching the health bars go down and up one by one wasn't much fun for me; I didn't feel like I was in the fight. Maybe the experience is different at higher levels, and I have a biased view of the role from timewalking dungeons?

hasty warren
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(I'll play hpriest)

prisma heron
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I loved disc when it changed to healing via atonement. I play gamepad though so healing in a raid is a nightmare so it’s been a while.

I always loved how dynamic healing is because you can always count off people to be awful and eat dmg.

vapid blaze
hasty warren
prisma heron
keen belfry
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kinda crazy wow comes out tomorrow

serene scaffold
jolly geyser
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in like 27h

gaunt phoenix
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Raid healing is not for me

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key healing where you press more dps buttons than healing is kinda fun

vapid blaze
hasty warren
prisma heron
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Dps keeps farm content interesting by trying to outdo your parsing which keeps things interesting week after week

vapid blaze
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you can make any shit spec with a 40% aura buff meta

prisma heron
serene scaffold
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@errant sorrel for the record you did join at a time to where the game just got made to be much more simple, and to be honest don't look for a variety of gameplay in a spec, but in a class. The ideal for you sounds like a class where you like all the specs and can move between them for variety. Give up on the high skill ceiling lol.

fervent garden
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hahaha give up on trying to be good

prisma heron
fervent garden
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be meh

untold wadi
gaunt phoenix
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The skill ceiling is more into just having uptime and reacting to the game itself

prisma heron
untold wadi
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not sure rn lol

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just remember people saying "ew frost"

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late DFS1 when fire was good

hasty warren
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frast gameplay is so empty rn

prisma heron
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Im finding im a slave to the pirate theme 🤡

untold wadi
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old frost was perma veins/ar gameplay too

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was very fun

placid ocean
jolly geyser
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what healer is doing the worst rn? havent looked

hasty warren
jolly geyser
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sure

prisma heron
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Pres I think?

hasty warren
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I think disc is realy bad rn in m+, and in raid idk mayve rsham or pres

placid ocean
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Pres is too reliant on positioning, so any time there's a MM hunter you're missing at least 1 person with your heals

jolly geyser
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oh ye I remember my gm hating on priest changes

hasty warren
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plus the mana gestion is horrible

jolly geyser
near rock
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@gaunt phoenix whats the current highest 5min patchwerk sim you got

gaunt phoenix
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uhmmmmmmmmm

desert tendon
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uhmmmmmmmmm

near rock
jolly geyser
tranquil totem
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!ui

ornate heathBOT
gaunt phoenix
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it's a sign...

desert tendon
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wbu?

errant sorrel
jolly geyser
errant sorrel
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Of all the communities I joined to seek advice, you were by far the most helpful o/

desert tendon
jolly geyser
desert tendon
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they re very good speedrun to watch

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but to play

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not my cup of tea

sick prawn
jolly geyser
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we are good peeps here mostly

desert tendon
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except zac

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that s true

hardy thicket
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Dont catch zac or guy on a bad day

gaunt phoenix
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outlaw channel just has doomers

desert tendon
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just zac and guy at the same time

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is pretty fun

jolly geyser
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OT has coomers

vivid vessel
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I'm not toxic bro

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Unless you are 50 year old + and are a ho player

jolly geyser
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ass has boomers

copper radish
vivid vessel
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Then it's free for all

jolly geyser
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all the oomers

fervent garden
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whoa!

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im 50

vivid vessel
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Gg

fervent garden
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i thought we were buds

vivid vessel
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Sorry bro ..

copper radish
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Watch season two become HO supremacy

jolly geyser
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Fiddy

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Sorry, people who are 50 cant play rogue. Says in the fine print,trust

fervent garden
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damnit.

desert tendon
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tbf most of them are fine. Like mid fine. Like you can be in as long as you never checked them kekman

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just avoid DH Mage

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And join feral if you love cats

past falcon
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i yearn for HO supremacy again ….

crimson spade
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!fuu

ornate heathBOT
glass mortar
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My experience is 90% of players saying class discords r toxic r the types who come in here asking questions, get answers they don't like, then argue and crash out when the whole chat is against them

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That or dh players, could be either or

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💅

desert tendon
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Weran what s better? Valeera or braann?

jolly geyser
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valeera got better mog

desert tendon
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you re not weran

jolly geyser
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but here I am

mighty pivot
desert tendon
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Who are you even?

jolly geyser
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no clue

glass mortar
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If it ain't cooked, it ain't GOUDA

desert tendon
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i dont like your answer

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you toxic

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this discord is toxic

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valeera defo better

glass mortar
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Go make a forum post about it

desert tendon
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i will

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🏄‍♂️ 🏄‍♀️

glass mortar
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I'll downvote it

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😠

mighty pivot
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I have DM'd mafic already

desert tendon
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see u toxic

jolly geyser
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I called metzen

mighty pivot
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now he will make a new thread about outlaw being too complicated, and they will remove PS as a button

formal knot
glass mortar
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Does he ngl havent rlly logged into the game in almost a month

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Haven't done real content (a delve) in closer to 2

formal knot
desert tendon
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Delve is the only content in the game

glass mortar
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I made some talent builds on a few toons then started making ui then got depressed at how dog the built in ui is and stopped trying

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Guess I should make something serviceable before this weekend

formal knot
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brann requires your help SadgeBusiness

glass mortar
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I do still have like 16 delve keys to finish before midnight hmm

desert tendon
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wtf werean

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are u slacking

glass mortar
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Today and tommoro after work I guess

mighty pivot
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time for brann to retire

formal knot
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i spent the first day of prepatch trying to set up arcui, didn't like it, so i just went full vanilla + wangbar with my UI

desert tendon
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even i did all my delves

glass mortar
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Big slacker

desert tendon
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i have 0 left

glass mortar
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Actually it's wow that's slacking not me

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If the game hadn't nuked itself from orbit and destroyed everything that made uis pretty I wouldn't get psychic damage everytime I try to login to set up my stuff

vivid vessel
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Guys can someone level up my 5 rogues for splits

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I don't wanna do it

desert tendon
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i could zac

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if u pay

glass mortar
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Only if u make us a pretty ui

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And share it

mighty pivot
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which rogue of all

desert tendon
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i only take cash

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and crypto

vivid vessel
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5 of them

mighty pivot
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wait you want 5 of them too

vivid vessel
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Tomelvis, zacques, zacuwu, zacowo, zacrebleu and zacuh

desert tendon
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5 rogues to be 5 more times benched because rogue sux

vivid vessel
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Wait that's 6

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We can nuke one it's fine

mighty pivot
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5 rogues to play sub garf_sit

desert tendon
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we cant blame u zac

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you only have 5 fingers

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hard to go higher count

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did u fix your mouse bullshit btw?

vivid vessel
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No

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I just buy a new one every few months

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And return the old one

desert tendon
mighty pivot
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why are you abusing your mouse?

desert tendon
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it s been more than a year zac

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time to change

vivid vessel
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This specific mouse model has a defect

desert tendon
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having rotationnal buttons

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on outlaw

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on the mouse

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is mouse abusing

fair topaz
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do you guys think there will be trinket tuning at some point?

vivid vessel
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Where the left mouse button isn't made for rotational pressing I guess

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The old model handled it fine tho so

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Not my fault their new model is worse fabricated

mighty pivot
vivid vessel
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The old model is too heavy I don't like it anymore

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I got used to the modern model

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I just send it back when it break

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It doesn't matter

desert tendon
vivid vessel
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It's amazon

mighty pivot
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stealing from bezos weird he'll go bankrupt

vivid vessel
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Ye fuck him

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Also it's not stealing if I'm sending it back

desert tendon
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woah

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respect please

vivid vessel
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Maybe they do something with it who knows

mighty pivot
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they give it to an assa rogue

cinder relic
covert kestrel
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"DUH"

-ForeveryGuy(2026)

cinder relic
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Well like

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"are there going to be raid bosses this expansion"

desert tendon
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Do you guys think there will be any update in the game at some point?

keen belfry
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if you guys had to guess will there be uummmm uhhh umnmmm

glass mortar
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50/50

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it happens or it dont

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just like crits

cinder relic
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Idk if they do trinket tuning b4 the date they asid tho

glass mortar
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unless theres some broken interactions they missed on beta probably not till class tuning/after class tuning even yea

fervent garden
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Guy you all done with your WowHead stuff?

gilded karma
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@vivid vessel give beta talents

mighty pivot
vivid vessel
cinder relic
gilded karma
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I'll remember that

cinder relic
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If anything is wrong just lmk

fervent garden
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question while on that topic. Where do you get the BiS list? Is that stuff alreaddy public and I just haven't seen it or do you get early looks from Blizz?

cinder relic
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A lot of "bis" is kinda obvious

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Like, 2 trinkets are auto pick

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4 tier slots are auto pick

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2 crafted pieces are auto pick

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So u kinda just flip thru items in the item pool that are, of the good stats, that dont go over our breakpoints of like, 30% haste and 40% crit

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With the new formatting too of like, just one, universal bis

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no nonsense of like

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"Bis from dungeons bis from raid overall bis"

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itll be easier to update later in the tier as well if some random piece of gear ends up being 0.3% better with full full gear

fervent garden
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copy. cool thanks

desert tendon
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@vivid vessel only 5 rogues?

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the hell did rwf became

cinder relic
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Splits

gaunt phoenix
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that Alnseer trinket might get gutted. It sims like crazy, and it doesnt seemed bugged

lime lake
# desert tendon

Who is norsken and why does he play half the classes in the game

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Tank i assumed but then hunter and shaman

gaunt phoenix
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Though outlaw's GCD does uniquely benefit that trinket

fair iron
desert tendon
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twitter

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i just didnt linked the post because it's a fking ad and i m bored of ads

covert kestrel
gilded karma
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@vivid vessel dw found a build

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watch this

jolly geyser
copper radish
desert tendon
gilded karma
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@vivid vessel spec must be bugged

desert tendon
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wdym

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that s good damage for a tank spec

upper hawk
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all the other healers gonna make fun of the evoker for not being able to beat an outlaw rogue

gilded karma
covert kestrel
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trickster or fb

gilded karma
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fb

mighty pivot
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it's the spec copege

gilded karma
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must be the spec

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100%

covert kestrel
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2 button sub players when they try to pick up the extremely deep and complex playstyle of midnight outlaw deadass

gilded karma
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I'm pressin buttons

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they just ain't doing things

frank finch
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is sub actually just two buttons

craggy barn
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pretty much

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bs evis, ss bp

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and even as trickster u just macro coup to bp and never press evis when its coup during aoe spam

pure folio
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Riveting gameplay

craggy barn
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i mean like, at the core level, sub was always like this, except it just had rupture as a filler/downtime finisher

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the pruning just hit all the damage amps we had to line up

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which u could macro to the same buttons anyways

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symbols dance, flag blades, cold blood sectech

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-3 cds that u could effectively have just macroed anyways

gaunt phoenix
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at least they have charges

craggy barn
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ye

copper radish
craggy barn
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imo fellowship has a more engaging sub rogue play style atm

gilded karma
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this spec sucks ass

lime lake
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real

craggy barn
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as soon as u start fighting a target in a group u start losing in dps

gilded karma
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my single target seems fine

near rock
gilded karma
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na this is ASS

craggy barn
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no this is outlaw

gilded karma
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This spec is 1000% bugged

lime lake
mighty pivot
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it is... the second AR charge isn't in yet

gilded karma
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I'm not THIS bad kekl

sick prawn
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They haven't put our passive ar and lust in yet

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That's next up

mighty pivot
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they forgot cannonball barrage in their internal build

copper radish
balmy topaz
copper radish
balmy topaz
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I love

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A fokin Chinese

gilded karma
gilded karma
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napkin pre-tucked

strange kelp
potent ore
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macro coup to BP?

balmy topaz
balmy topaz
gilded karma
copper radish
vivid vessel
copper radish
vivid vessel
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Idk people expect to do more damage than in tww?

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Bf went from legit 100% cleave to 30%

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And people think the spec will still do damage

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Kinda hilarious to me but

copper radish
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Somehow it’ll work out

vivid vessel
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Ye for sure

copper radish
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Just have faith in….. the devs? 😭

vivid vessel
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Devourer? Why would I have faith in a dh spec

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I play outlaw

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It's rogue bro

copper radish
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Devs… as in developers?

lime lake
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i have faith in dev evoker

strange kelp
mighty pivot
radiant wyvern
shy meteor
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!fuu

ornate heathBOT
normal forge
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how can i get a bracer for catalyst?

keen belfry
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like every single pull felt different as TWW sub, even if pretty similiar

mighty pivot
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the main difference maker is sectec's cdr being gone

keen belfry
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mhm

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sectec and kinda somewhat dance ish

mighty pivot
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dance is same-same

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but sectec you could send more frequently during your cds and that was noticeable

keen belfry
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i think current sub without symbols would be chill

craggy barn
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wouldnt change much since theres like no downtime between dances where ud maybe press a dry symbols

snow viper
fluid vortex
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🥀

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it originates from a guild i know

jolly geyser
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and I stole it from another server

random stirrup
vapid sundial
vapid sundial
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I wish I had the gif from sylvanas tier

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Friend got every single chain

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Was pulled to the middle of the room

vivid vessel
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Guys listen

vivid vessel
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Imagine you wake up one day, and it's midnight omegalul crazy no

glass mortar
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u know the best part, that druid bouncing back and forth is the one who brezes the recorder

formal knot
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i usually wake up closer to 9am than midnight

glass mortar
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nobody else was willing to do it

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actually iirc he ended up trapped bouncing trying to get in range to send the brez

normal forge
cerulean charm
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so is zac weakaura out of comission forever

gaunt phoenix
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Yes

cerulean charm
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@vivid vessel whats ur UI lookin like nowadays

proven ocean
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Probably ass just like everybody else

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Cuz blizz thinks they can replace WAs

vivid vessel
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It will look the same

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And be better than all your uis

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No cap

cerulean charm
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good Im going to need that

proven ocean
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Ur ui sucks more than my ballzac

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Zac..

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Brb sleep

tough coral
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So who is going to force outlaw as meta? This guy is!

acoustic wing
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outlaws how u guys doing

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how good we are on m+ ?

glass mortar
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💩

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wait for tuning angle

untold wadi
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they're clearly not in the know

fluid vortex
jolly geyser
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idk

keen belfry
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why wangb not in wrod??!@?!?!

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need to become a rumble player @vivid vessel

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midnight is out tomorrow yay...

covert kestrel
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!wangbar

random stirrup
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hello it is me I am @vivid vessel now 🥖

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(on the spec he actually will be playing)

keen belfry
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mines too big and bricky

covert kestrel
copper radish
haughty plume
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hi, anyone knows an addon that helps on RolltheBones plz

fossil lintel
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help in what way?

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If you want it to tell you when to roll that's no longer possible

honest lotus
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!ui

ornate heathBOT
untold wadi
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very good choices

wintry solar
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I love what YOU did here

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Ever think about that?

untold wadi
wintry solar
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Yeah

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Put that in your mouth and smoke it

haughty plume
fossil lintel
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hold on anything except the first

haughty plume
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ah kk ty

dreamy pecan
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Hey bois, first time logging back in for a while and before I do a deep dive on what's changed, I see Killing Spree doesn't have its damage delay anymore. Did they add a compensation for that anywhere else in the kit, or is it just a net-negative on survivability to Outlaw Rogues?
I played PvP almost exclusively. ^-^;

glass mortar
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in pvp its shambles

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new kspree is a terrible spell but its worse drop off was in pvp

dreamy pecan
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.. Oh.

glass mortar
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no they didnt add it anywhere else and you lost additional tankiness in talent changes as well

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cdr on evasion and feint is gone

dreamy pecan
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.. Oh.

glass mortar
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kspree doesnt break roots either

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its just a short range cast time attack that does moderate damage

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you also lost vanish cdr so you have 1 vanish every 2 minutes now

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pvp outlaw got smacked pretty hard

dreamy pecan
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Geez, that's wild.

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Why did they do all that? Was the trade-off for Outlaw to at least be gods in PvE? CryinJordan

glass mortar
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no

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just simplification 🙂

dreamy pecan
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Bruuuh.

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Well damn, thanks for the info, gonna try to do some more quick catch-up on what's gone down while I was out.

keen belfry
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welkcome to chamapion culb.

oblique flicker
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!fuu

ornate heathBOT
wintry solar
haughty wigeon
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As we near Midnight early launch I think I want to condense down my thoughts on all three specs:

Outlaw Rogue: Thematically it is now starting to coalesce around a proper identity of a mix between a blade dancer and short range pistol duelist. The power of Crackshot talent was redistrubted now evenly between BTE, Dispatch and melee auto attacks instead of TWW design with the weight being all in Crackshot windows. Outlaw is more balanced out of stealth now but like any other Rogues can still use stealth when needed. Talent wise the spec talent tree is I think now better than both Assassination and Sub because it does not feel as restrictive at the top or bottom of the tree and thematically you can see how the RTB talents, BTE talents, Ambush/Sinister Strike talents, and and BF talents are aligned in the tree for specific purpose. Only complaint from my view is that Outlaw is too squishy compared to Assassination and Sub given it does most of its fighting out of stealth. Outlaw like Sub is now easier for new players to engage however, RTB may still trip new and returning players up as well as how BTE damage ramp stacking functions. Outlaw cap stones do feel under powered compared to Assassination and Sub though.

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🏄‍♂️ 🏄‍♀️

desert tendon
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🏄‍♂️ 🏄‍♀️

glass mortar
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culd u not

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i take enough psychic damage reading that on the forums i dont need it in here

desert tendon
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stop being toxic weran

glass mortar
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no.

desert tendon
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everyone and everything is welcomed in this wonderfull discord

haughty wigeon
glass mortar
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those r fine i have no interest in the specs

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bad takes on them dont bother me

haughty wigeon
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based

snow hill
haughty wigeon
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i liked it when i was able to have solid sustain viva vanish healing

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:)

haughty wigeon
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too bad vanish was removed from rb :) even tho the removal of crackshot and cto was more than enough to completely eliminate vanish offensive usage

snow hill
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100% it allowed for things like more task focus when killing the ?? Nemesis bosses.

glass mortar
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idk i personally love having my solo sustain kit guttered for the sake of simplification

haughty wigeon
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funny how the "vanish needs to be utility" people are quiet now that vanish was completely useless in every aspect of the game

glass mortar
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remember we are the toe 👏 to 👏 toe 👏 spec

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thats why we are as squishy as sin and squishier then sub

haughty wigeon
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its like they never wanted to be stealth even for utility purposes

snow hill
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Okay so, I'll clarify - High Vers and having Vanish give healing was great > Not a day goes by I feel sad that Vanish was removed as an offensive capability. Again, on the ?? Nemesis bosses, hell even soloing old content like aberrus or something - having them reset in the middle of a perfect run at like 12% HP because of the Vanish reset was murder-inducing. Fucking glad that shits gone.

glass mortar
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it was already gone

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the removal of vanish from RB was just a kick in the nuts 4 fun

copper radish
glass mortar
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yea

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i mean that one was kinda relevant in pvp so i guess they thot we were too op in pvp or something

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but it certainly hurts solo playability

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its ok tho, if u encounter a rare with too much hp for u to sustain down without drying u can always just swap sub or sin to try to burst it down

wintry solar
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I'm in a mood

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WE won

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Suck it

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🥇

haughty wigeon
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but it being gone is suc ha blow to rogue defensive and utility and theme for no reason

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could have easily remove crackshot from vanish and thats it and leave it on restlessblades so your damage isnt so tied to damage windows

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a million different ways to do it

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give bte and adren 2 charges to give us agency on target prio damage

glass mortar
haughty wigeon
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like crackshot did

glass mortar
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why am i doing this to myself

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im doing delves to burn keys and holy fuk is new outlaw just like dragging nails over a chalkboard in "easy" content

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BF lasts long enough that itll fall off 5s before each delve pack dies but if i cast it again it wont be up for the next pack

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who thought this was gameplay that needed to come back for law

untold wadi
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surfs up dud

wintry solar
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Yeah idk

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If anything needs charges it's bf

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Again

glass mortar
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its crazy how unfun BF design is in the easiest content in the game

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just makes it feel like the game is fighting ur attempts to aoe

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just go St everything down you idiot its a world quest

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its easy!!!!!!!!111!!1

copper radish
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They should add flurry to the snd passive we have when we dispatch

random stirrup
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i just yoloed it

wintry solar
copper radish
wintry solar
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And I'm not really a pro 2 charges everything person but bf is an exception

glass mortar
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put back 2 15s, give 2 charges

cloud shoal
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coming back to wow haven’t played since s2 df am i trippin or is it way slower apm?

cinder relic
covert kestrel
wintry solar
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Weran participates

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that poor poor soul

shell fossil
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blade flurry benefits from restless blades doe

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and we don't have apex

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or is this midnight doomer convorsation

wintry solar
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live

glass mortar
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~10% slower then mid DF if thats the last thing u remember, not as big a drop off as from TWW

copper radish
wintry solar
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for you Mason, not for me...

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obligations tomorrow

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and

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friday....

daring yoke
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How many outlaws we gonna hv tmr

thorn parrot
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Probably 3

wooden pilot
# keen belfry

so how do I pay you for this bc zac is gonna make me wait

craggy barn
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are we dooming in here?

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who let the warlocks in

covert kestrel
wintry solar
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sorry Sadcat

gaunt phoenix
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gentlemen, i've been sandbagging outlaw all this time

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Cold blood is not worth it

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I fucked my own sims somehow somewhere somewhen

grim spear
near rock
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smh solo we trusted you

gaunt phoenix
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this is why 1 person cannot be the face of theorycrafting

thorn parrot
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If it makes you feel better, I sand bag myself harder than any talent will

glass mortar
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is supercharger actually worth more then cold blood

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its so piss

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its what like 6 CP per minute now

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1 additional finisher a minute

near rock
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bonus synergy with prep

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not by a lot but couple extra adr's there

grim spear
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maybe press rtb on cd again?

glass mortar
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RtB doesnt proc it

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it procs off AR

gaunt phoenix
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yes, but I quadruple checked that the talents are doing what is expected

near rock
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QUADRUPLE checked is crazy

gaunt phoenix
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I suppose 2% crit and change is not doing a whole lot

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Even if you override to 0 crit it's better

glass mortar
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i mean crit is our best stat by a bit and u get so few supercharger cp now a day... was cold blooded just oversimming or

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wasnt SC like a 2% node

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they both seem piss to me i could just see how cold blooded would win garf

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cold blooded should be pretty shit with no crit tho right? its like zero in, its a crit adder talent that also for some reason scales with ur base crit

gaunt phoenix
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yeah that's true

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but also removing lethality is worth it

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You go full supercharger

glass mortar
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tell me we go ER and my life is yours solo

gaunt phoenix
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unfortunately not

gaunt phoenix
thorn parrot
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We would be so strong if Ace UYS actually was only 1 talent point but added 6 combo points 7623nekocatdroolstupid

gaunt phoenix
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but yea supercharger is like +11cps a minute

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that feeds into apex and ace and such? idk

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it doesnt sound great but oh well

near rock
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we are but slaves to the green number

glass mortar
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and how much of a giganto dps boost do we get from this swap

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i mean its not like either of these talents impacts ur gameplay really

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supercharger at least adds some proc chances to stuff

near rock
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you could argue that supercharger gives you slightly more burst

gaunt phoenix
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it's like 2% if you include that thief's versatility gets a little stronger too

glass mortar
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which would be a silly thing to argue in outlaw discord

near rock
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nah bro every lil bit counts

glass mortar
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2% ok we are SAVED

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like 5 or 6 more of these findings solo

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and its outlaw season

tepid geode
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Guys, i like outlaw

glass mortar
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i believe in u

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🙏

tepid geode
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Subtlety didn’t hook me 2ez

gaunt phoenix
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me too

tepid geode
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So I went sword and 🔫

gaunt phoenix
glass mortar
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not yet

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6 more 2% optimzations

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i believe

covert kestrel
placid gorge
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lol

craggy barn
glass mortar
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i just died to fall damage in a delve because by the time i was "in range" for hook to path, it was too slow to hit the ground before i did

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crazy good spec tbh

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guess i gotta be more careful yolo sprinting around these platform delves

past falcon
glass mortar
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doesnt happen for normal falling still its fine

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it was archival assault so i like to sprint jump between platforms/levels and because ur in midair for most of it hook cant "path"

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so i was only like 10 feet over the ground when it let me hook

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didnt used to die to this though

past falcon
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ok ❤️

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yay ❤️

gaunt phoenix
glass mortar
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damn im never gunna finish this flickergate achievement i guess

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i wonder if its gone in midnight or u can come back and do old delves

covert kestrel
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whats the achievement

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if you of all people didnt get a delve achievement its fake news

glass mortar
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100 flickergates

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opened

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every single pack of visions almost solos u with autos

rocky kiln
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!ui

ornate heathBOT
limpid isle
glass mortar
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thats true

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maybe i do that tomorrow after work

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anyone else have the bug where every single time they hit a load screen or reload their ui it fucks the positioning of everything until you open edit mode

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and then it puts it back in the correct place

glass mortar
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u find any real fixes or

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are we just here to suffer

pearl topaz
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if you desperately need an old outlaw fix just learn to play the piano and youll feel that same thing but better

quaint mauve
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kinda aids

glass mortar
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rip

torpid fiber
untold wadi
keen belfry
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how tf is super chargerbetter than cb @gaunt phoenix

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now the double awang rule of

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nvm not that one rule im thinking of

gaunt phoenix
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over 5 minutes, supercharger is effectively +57 CPs or so

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which is about 6% of your total CPs income

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which broadly translates to a 6% dps increase

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So supercharger is about 1.5-2% ahead of lethality+cb

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it makes sense, for one reason or another it just slipped through the cracks

keen belfry
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interstin

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down for more cp

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57 combo points is a lot over 5 minutes

tepid geode
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killing spree feels underwhelming pepehands

keen junco
gaunt phoenix
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If you remove 1 minute of gameplay, supercharger should remain the same ratio of your total cps

muted chasm
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Is it worth it/similar dps to drop prep for sleight of hand?

keen junco
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Feelycraft feels like downtime would have a lot bigger impact on supercharger than CB

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But, I have no numbers to back that up so ignore,

gaunt phoenix
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If you remove sleight, you lose the talent gate here

gaunt phoenix
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maybe not enough to move dps by much

muted chasm
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looking ahead for talents to play around with tomorrow

keen junco
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Probably negligible unless it’s copious copious dimensius esque amounts of downtime

gaunt phoenix
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That's the level 90 build

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well, it's also level 80 too

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at 90 you just gain the 4 apex talents

muted chasm
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no KS or prep for m+

gaunt phoenix
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You can remove a summarily dispatched for prep

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Prep is probably better in coordinated keys

keen junco
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KS kills what lil prio you’re doing right now, and prep is doo doo in m+

gaunt phoenix
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i think it could have its place

muted chasm
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in single target is it KS or prep? or are they pretty close

keen junco
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I mean, if it’s a dungeon where the boss has a damage amp sure.

gaunt phoenix
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You dont use KS unless we use the Trickster tree, cause trickster needs it

keen junco
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But if you’re at the key level where 30 seconds of AR is needed to kill a prio mob, Assa is probably going to outperform at that point

gaunt phoenix
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for now trickster is close but not worth it

keen junco
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Who knows what tuning will bring

muted chasm
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so would single target just take the second point in SD or prep - i know it probably is super minor but im just curious

gaunt phoenix
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Prep should win but it might depend on kill timer

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at ~4 minutes you get a 2nd cast

keen junco
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We talking raid? If so prep is going to realistically always be better unless it’s a straight pump n dump ST fight.

muted chasm
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so we would just crank prep right at the start then to get the timer rolling for second cast right?

keen junco
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Any priority adds, damage amps, yaddi yadda, prep will be better for your raid. Not necessarily you, but for your raid yes. If you broke it down to a 30 or 45 second profile sim, prep would be ahead by quite a bit

gaunt phoenix
keen junco
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Think an underrated part of prep is it also gives you a second chance to high roll RtB

gaunt phoenix
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but you could have to make a call between 2 "normal" casts vs 1 priority/amp cast

keen junco
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Also, they could just tune RtB to not be a slot machine

cinder relic
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Who levelin as outlaw

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Just me?

gaunt phoenix
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yes

keen junco
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Aladeen

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But yea leveling as outlaw because reasons.

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Mo war mode mobility

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Also, prep nice to have for war mode leveling

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People wanna get froggy

grim spear
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what? Shouldnt all the pirates in this channel be leveling as Outlaw by default?

rotund zodiac
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!wa

ornate heathBOT
balmy topaz
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@gaunt phoenix are there race sims out?

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I'm interestred in Tauren/Dwarf vs Panda vs Mecha gnome

balmy topaz
gaunt phoenix
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Mechagnome is like, 0.4% ahead

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i think this tends to happen early in the season

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cuz they get an agility bonus

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but that doesnt scale

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With ilvl

balmy topaz
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What about panda?

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Cus food seems pretty OP this season

balmy topaz
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@vivid vessel PANDA TIME????

fathom bramble
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panda should also have staying power

balmy topaz
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But I guess to "make the most of your money" Tauren and dwarf will be better

balmy topaz
fathom bramble
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when we stop using primary stat food it's still more stat than other stat races on secondary stat food

balmy topaz
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Ahhh

fathom bramble
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may still lose to tauren after a few tiers, but it will never be bad

balmy topaz
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Are you still tauren

fathom bramble
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yeah

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dwarf/tauren too good

balmy topaz
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You are the goat

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Tauren just looks sick

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I am Mag'har atm due to sub

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But this shit is so bad

fathom bramble
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undead more of a damage loss than half of our talent choices

balmy topaz
sage bronze
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Dracthyr only for the pretty hair styles in visage dracthyr_love

gaunt phoenix
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it seems haranir is not implemented

fathom bramble
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haranir is weird

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it should beat almost everything on elemental/aberration/beast

hot olive
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haranir shall be only druid

fathom bramble
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but lose otherwise

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for some reason they changed it to damage dealt to those instead of reduced damage taken from them like they originally teased

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so now it has the old troll problem of being randomly bis on some fights and not on others

balmy topaz
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I just switched Tauren

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Gg

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I had a free race change

gaunt phoenix
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i was tauren in late shadowlands, never again

random stirrup
balmy topaz
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It's amazing

random stirrup
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Time to become plump

gaunt phoenix
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they're too big

balmy topaz
gaunt phoenix
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smol races i can see around me more

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I was goblin for years, briefly dwarf, and returned to goblin

fathom bramble
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gotta be tauren so hook snaps less

gaunt phoenix
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true

balmy topaz
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Dwarf for bleeds in Skyreach

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does go hard tho

fathom bramble
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true

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if I was dwarf instead I would have lived on our first mugzee kill

balmy topaz
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That bleed hits so hard

gaunt phoenix
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goblin jump saves me from death like once per tier

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that justifies it surely

balmy topaz
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Style points

fathom bramble
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the bleed removal is probably the strongest defensive/utility racial

gaunt phoenix
fathom bramble
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I had a sick goblin clip that is now lost to time

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goblin jump into hook apparently gets you across the platforms on sylvanas intermission

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sometimes

balmy topaz
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That's crazy

gaunt phoenix
fathom bramble
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you can also bug into places you probably shouldn't be by canceling grapple with goblin jump

balmy topaz
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My old guild

fathom bramble
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but I haven't gotten to play much with that after going tauren

balmy topaz
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Tbf tho

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She was

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Tauren is just insane

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BRO I JUST RACE CHANGED

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LEAVE ME ALONE

gaunt phoenix
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thats me

balmy topaz
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I knew it

balmy topaz
prime sleet
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damn, I am still a silly undead. I feel left out

fathom bramble
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just normal dungeon/cleave build probably

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with every movement talent

balmy topaz
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I'm gonna get all them movement gems as well

prime sleet
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where you seeing that btw

fathom bramble
prime sleet
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I used to use bloodmallet in the past, but that doesn't work atm

prime sleet
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ah ok ty

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returning player, so spare the flames kek

balmy topaz
balmy topaz
fathom bramble
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the wrist enchant alone is like 15% speed

balmy topaz
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Which one?

fathom bramble
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chant of armored speed

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17.7%

balmy topaz
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148% HOLY

nova sinew
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I’m up to ~190% in stealth as outlaw

balmy topaz
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My bags are not a mess

prime sleet
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Is anyone here even a mechagnome

balmy topaz
gaunt phoenix
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no

prime sleet
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thought so

fathom bramble
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I thought I had more speed gear, but I must have vendored it while cleaning up for midnight

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only 180% in stealth

prime sleet
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so you're telling me, as a horde player, you want me to go tauren? kek

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another big cow in the family

nova sinew
fathom bramble
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what embellishment

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I have the diamond

balmy topaz
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This

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Will increase the speed effect

robust silo
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Is "Tricks" buggy atm?

rich pecan
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does anyone know of an add on that is similar to the WA that shows RotB timers and such

fathom bramble
balmy topaz
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Like what items ect you have

fathom bramble
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only item of note is

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just for 3 sockets and low enough ilvl for the enchant

balmy topaz
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Ohh that is big

fathom bramble
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everything else is already mentioned

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except this food is better than bear tartare apparently

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I could break 200% if I got the embellishment but idk if I want to beg someone for a recraft at midnight before midnight

balmy topaz
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Do it

fathom bramble
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oh and change chest enchant to stormriders agility

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instead of the all stat one you have had on all expac

cobalt token
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but its so ugly no one plays it

river wing
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negative aura is worth at least 5% DPS

balmy topaz
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@vivid vessel Have you managed to find something to replicate the sound you had for when you get a PS proc

balmy topaz
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I need to sort the mog but

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I think it's done

fathom bramble
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zooming

balmy topaz
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I wanna have movespeed

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Where tf is that

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Not on elv I guess gg

fathom bramble
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dejacharacterstats has it

mighty pivot
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hoods on cows look soooo bad

balmy topaz
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Naa sorry

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That was too far

mighty pivot
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I know but that's not relevant

balmy topaz
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I take that back

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Ye hood on cow is bad

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Lemme get Deja

normal forge
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is midnight released today for NA and EU or just NA ?

balmy topaz
normal forge
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niiice

balmy topaz
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192% in stealth

mighty pivot
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unless you are in UK/portugal timezone

balmy topaz
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Ohh ye

prime sleet
normal forge
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ok, so 23h for me, cool,

i am still bothered by all this gated content that blizzard insists to put in place

mighty pivot
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gating things on release is ok

desert tendon
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Ruby ruby ruby

cobalt token
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Even tho it's like absolute cinema racials

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Idk how

prime sleet
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I havn't eather, but that sim makes me wonder if I should swap away from undead 😄

sage bronze
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Unless you are RWF then no need to ever change your race

cobalt token
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Undead supremacy

tepid geode
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Interesting that blizz made bte animation into cowboy theme monkahmm

cobalt token
fathom bramble
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it really should have been a glyph though

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random tumbleweed actually enforcing a specific vibe for outlaw isn't it

tepid geode
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Would be crisp if we dual pistol shot wit it monkahmm

fathom bramble
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or a glyph to remove it at least would be nice

cobalt token
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this is the first i heard of it

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glyph wouldve been better yeah

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but it is what it is

fathom bramble
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I mean it's a fine animation I just don't see my rogue as a wildwest american cowboy

prime sleet
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you guys leveling as outlaw btw?

cobalt token
tepid geode
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Definitely not visible in the middle of chaos OMEGAKEKW

cobalt token
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3v3 too

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i can see how itd annoy someone