#outlaw
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Nope
Game was good on launch in tww, df, legion and SL
Ok so SL is the worst expac ever
ur just reverse dooming and u doom when nobody is dooming
at launch
@vivid vessel un vrai capitaine coule avec son navire
We understand you censi
legion i dont remember
DF was weird, like, brought good ideas but so many flaws
tww is my personnal worse
DF preseason was probably my favorite
preseason was banger
Sorry bro I don't speak french
Oui oui
yea idk nailo speaking french idk
but preseason was good imo because covenants + new trees
Hi, I am looking for what to main for midnight. I heard that during TWW outlaw was supra fun with a gameplay that never repeats itself between runs. Is it still the case?
@vivid vessel your thoughts?
After the midnight changes, is outlaw more focused on burst windows now?
I mean there is no crackshot anymore
I havent played outlaw since outlaw was combat btw
Yeah, there was a short that popped up un my notifications by comeback kids that said outlaw has more focus on burst windows in midnight, which sounded wrong to me so I figured I'd ask
Why outlaw in S tier?
one mage spec below A
cant be true
Zero how do you feel not playing the game when u see aug is potentially back?
I mean ADR + menacing rush + prep could count as a little bit a burst at least
way more than what we were workin with before
What is this based on
won't there be big class changes patch on march 17th
not class changes, but tuning
I mean a burst window that last 40s, and then repeat every 20s
Eh
That's not really
source: zorthas' objective opinion
Our opener dps does peak a little higher
So, no?
there is no more cracked out gameplay
no more crackshot
with the removal of stealth crackshot spam

is outlaw fun-- I can't answer that for you
does outlaw repeated itself-- eh, you are reacting to different procs and buffs, but largely you are following the same simple priority
Blizzard said they'd remove vanish as a rotational ability, then kept it for assassin
And turned sub into a 2 button brainlet spec.
So I think I'm pulling thunderfury out again, after like 15 years.
there are a lot of people that dislike how simple outlaw has become, and others that like that the old stealth windows are gone
The mini game of maintaining ADR uptime was fun when it worked but being pushed out and being stuck out due to mechanics or RP was awful
Depends what you enjoy. It is one of the more engaging rotations, but the damage is kinda average/below average. If you like the stealth aspect of rogue, outlaw is not it tho
ur gameplay does repeat itself a lot, just the nature of the game. every class follows a priority
I didnt like the RNG aspect, but thats not as big anymore afaik
Just try the spec out? Not hard
it's not exactly like sub or sin where you could have an entirely scripted cooldown window
yea, its not cookie cutter
it is just reacting to priority buttons and making decisions. but there is a lot less skill expression and variance now so youll find yourself in the same spots more often than before imo
i thought assa was terrible, how is it that high up
Every spec has become incredibly simple though. I've gone and tried quite a few over prepatch and none are very complex. Even Enhance feels simple to play now.
another reason to never take tierlist seriously
you're not wrong
Pretty much this. All things considered, outlaw is still one of the more involved rotations
time to make our own and spread misinformation
outlaw comparatively still has a fair amount of decisions and keybinds
hey so if we have been playting trickster in pre-patch, is the play to switch to Fatebound?
yeah, we will go fatebound as soon as you can get Deal Fate
gotcha
The play is to stick to trickster because my M+ tank has low threat gen 🙂
Even for m+? I like the perma tricks
I have fairly limited knowledge of WoW in general. I need to play a class quite a bit to fully understand all the aspects involved. And since I'm hesitating between 4/5 specs, I'd rather talk to people who know what they're talking about than spend ten hours playing each one
ohh ok thats more important than pulling agro during pulls lol
Your answers have been very helpful, thank you
Ah fair enough. Enjoy gaming
You can tell a lot from doing the rotation on dummies in dornogal. Not much else going on right now Prepatch.
You can also get a feel for the spec doing the prepatch event rare killing.
I can tell you right now that Outlaw is hardly ever favorable on mythic progression
if that's what you're going for
There are people that make it work cause they are good
and there are some tiers where it doesnt really matter a whole lot
but it's an uphill battle every time
Nah I don’t look at tierlist, I just like a high skill ceiling and a lot of variety in the gameplay
Just want to have some fun
fun in wow? how dare you
😂
Cant expect other people to know what you find fun 😂
There are people that find dev evoker fun
High skill ceiling and a lot of variety in the gameplay
Hm
Have you tried healers?
I don't think that exist in wow anymore I'm ngl
Outlaw is certainly not a high skill ceiling spec in midnight
You can say whatever you want
play fury warr
Thought that was an arms war
only some are like that
most are all reduced to ashes
basicly if u don't play rdrood or hpal u'll pass a bad moment
Yes I was leveling a rdruid until now and began to question my choices after 10 hours.
Watching the health bars go down and up one by one wasn't much fun for me; I didn't feel like I was in the fight. Maybe the experience is different at higher levels, and I have a biased view of the role from timewalking dungeons?
(I'll play hpriest)
I loved disc when it changed to healing via atonement. I play gamepad though so healing in a raid is a nightmare so it’s been a while.
I always loved how dynamic healing is because you can always count off people to be awful and eat dmg.
wdym almost all of the healers got turbo pruned
I was talking in output and playability, but yes most healer lost at least 5 buttons
Yeah timewalking doesn’t capture it.
Progression raiding can be fun as healing. Clearing farm content is boring as f though.
kinda crazy wow comes out tomorrow
Timewalking is a not a representation of higher end content...those are tuned to be a joke and as a healer you might as well be doing damage the whole time with a couple spot heals.
in like 27h
Raid healing is not for me
key healing where you press more dps buttons than healing is kinda fun
oh well thats tuning
so kinda whatever
not only tuning, some changes are just bad imo
Dps keeps farm content interesting by trying to outdo your parsing which keeps things interesting week after week
you can make any shit spec with a 40% aura buff meta
And people will flock to it snd play it en masse if it’s pumping lol
@errant sorrel for the record you did join at a time to where the game just got made to be much more simple, and to be honest don't look for a variety of gameplay in a spec, but in a class. The ideal for you sounds like a class where you like all the specs and can move between them for variety. Give up on the high skill ceiling lol.
hahaha give up on trying to be good
Mage and lock usually have 2/3 viable specs
be meh
love when the mage spec u enjoy isn't meta
The skill ceiling is more into just having uptime and reacting to the game itself
I thought all 3 were decent now lol
not sure rn lol
just remember people saying "ew frost"
late DFS1 when fire was good
frast gameplay is so empty rn
Im finding im a slave to the pirate theme 🤡
I like raid healing, but my old guild wouldn't let me because I was also the top damage
what healer is doing the worst rn? havent looked
1st world problems
in raid ?
sure
Pres I think?
I think disc is realy bad rn in m+, and in raid idk mayve rsham or pres
Pres is too reliant on positioning, so any time there's a MM hunter you're missing at least 1 person with your heals
oh ye I remember my gm hating on priest changes
honnestly there's good ideas but it feel like there's something missing
plus the mana gestion is horrible

@gaunt phoenix whats the current highest 5min patchwerk sim you got
uhmmmmmmmmm
uhmmmmmmmmm

so what you playing on friday?
!ui
Resources:
ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
Misc:
Mute Cold Blood sound
EasyReminders - can show poison reminders outside of instances
it's a sign...
Thank you for your input I appreciate it
tempting
Of all the communities I joined to seek advice, you were by far the most helpful o/
hope the speedrun will not be like re4r
common rogue disc w
havent watched a RE speedrun in ages heh
Yeah I have had some guild mates talk about how class discords are really toxic and I have never had that experience here. Just helpful people and information
we are good peeps here mostly
Dont catch zac or guy on a bad day
outlaw channel just has doomers
OT has coomers
ass has boomers

Then it's free for all
all the oomers
Gg
i thought we were buds
Sorry bro ..
Watch season two become HO supremacy
damnit.
tbf most of them are fine. Like mid fine. Like you can be in as long as you never checked them 
just avoid DH Mage
And join feral if you love cats
i yearn for HO supremacy again ….
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My experience is 90% of players saying class discords r toxic r the types who come in here asking questions, get answers they don't like, then argue and crash out when the whole chat is against them
That or dh players, could be either or
💅
Weran what s better? Valeera or braann?
valeera got better mog
you re not weran
but here I am
yaaaas queen 
no clue
Brann
If it ain't cooked, it ain't GOUDA
Go make a forum post about it
I have DM'd mafic already
see u toxic
I called metzen
now he will make a new thread about outlaw being too complicated, and they will remove PS as a button
FAKE BRANN FAN
he says smoked
Does he ngl havent rlly logged into the game in almost a month
Haven't done real content (a delve) in closer to 2

Delve is the only content in the game
I made some talent builds on a few toons then started making ui then got depressed at how dog the built in ui is and stopped trying
Guess I should make something serviceable before this weekend
brann requires your help 
I do still have like 16 delve keys to finish before midnight hmm
Today and tommoro after work I guess
time for brann to retire
i spent the first day of prepatch trying to set up arcui, didn't like it, so i just went full vanilla + wangbar with my UI
even i did all my delves
Big slacker
i have 0 left
Actually it's wow that's slacking not me
If the game hadn't nuked itself from orbit and destroyed everything that made uis pretty I wouldn't get psychic damage everytime I try to login to set up my stuff
which rogue of all
wait you want 5 of them too
Tomelvis, zacques, zacuwu, zacowo, zacrebleu and zacuh
5 rogues to play sub 
we cant blame u zac
you only have 5 fingers
hard to go higher count
did u fix your mouse bullshit btw?

why are you abusing your mouse?
I'm not
This specific mouse model has a defect
do you guys think there will be trinket tuning at some point?
Where the left mouse button isn't made for rotational pressing I guess
The old model handled it fine tho so
Not my fault their new model is worse fabricated
then get another model?
The old model is too heavy I don't like it anymore
I got used to the modern model
I just send it back when it break
It doesn't matter

It's amazon
stealing from bezos
he'll go bankrupt
Maybe they do something with it who knows
they give it to an assa rogue
obviously yeah
"DUH"
-ForeveryGuy(2026)
Do you guys think there will be any update in the game at some point?
if you guys had to guess will there be uummmm uhhh umnmmm
Idk if they do trinket tuning b4 the date they asid tho
unless theres some broken interactions they missed on beta probably not till class tuning/after class tuning even yea
Guy you all done with your WowHead stuff?
@vivid vessel give beta talents
well? don't leave us with a cliffhanger
No
Yeah
I'll remember that
If anything is wrong just lmk
question while on that topic. Where do you get the BiS list? Is that stuff alreaddy public and I just haven't seen it or do you get early looks from Blizz?
A lot of "bis" is kinda obvious
Like, 2 trinkets are auto pick
4 tier slots are auto pick
2 crafted pieces are auto pick
So u kinda just flip thru items in the item pool that are, of the good stats, that dont go over our breakpoints of like, 30% haste and 40% crit
With the new formatting too of like, just one, universal bis
no nonsense of like
"Bis from dungeons bis from raid overall bis"
itll be easier to update later in the tier as well if some random piece of gear ends up being 0.3% better with full full gear
copy. cool thanks
Splits
that Alnseer trinket might get gutted. It sims like crazy, and it doesnt seemed bugged
Who is norsken and why does he play half the classes in the game

Tank i assumed but then hunter and shaman
Though outlaw's GCD does uniquely benefit that trinket
what site is that

i just didnt linked the post because it's a fking ad and i m bored of ads
what is it an ad for, no lifing?
https://imgur.com/EVRehLn @gaunt phoenix dunno if you have this one
Only good if ur stacking haste and going HO
@vivid vessel spec must be bugged
all the other healers gonna make fun of the evoker for not being able to beat an outlaw rogue
trickster or fb
fb
it's the spec 
2 button sub players when they try to pick up the extremely deep and complex playstyle of midnight outlaw 
is sub actually just two buttons
pretty much
bs evis, ss bp
and even as trickster u just macro coup to bp and never press evis when its coup during aoe spam
Riveting gameplay
i mean like, at the core level, sub was always like this, except it just had rupture as a filler/downtime finisher
the pruning just hit all the damage amps we had to line up
which u could macro to the same buttons anyways
symbols dance, flag blades, cold blood sectech
-3 cds that u could effectively have just macroed anyways
at least they have charges
ye
Good to seee my Devourer gonna be pumping
imo fellowship has a more engaging sub rogue play style atm
this spec sucks ass
real
as soon as u start fighting a target in a group u start losing in dps
my single target seems fine
You just need more practice lil bro
na this is ASS
This spec is 1000% bugged

it is... the second AR charge isn't in yet
they forgot cannonball barrage in their internal build
Just get gud
wtf are you doing bro
Order up the Chinese
spec is bugged
did you see his excellent dubai order
napkin pre-tucked
You don't actually want to do that 😛
macro coup to BP?
Wait no what
Tell that to sentiax 
I have never seen a better executed order for the table in my life
Down to the details:
- napkin tuck for order
- upping portion sizes in a blink
- the Bao Bun execution
- asking the server for recs
- politeness and complete control of the room
Wow.
Can I get those salted chili prawns? 
Idk looks the same as in S3 i don't see what's wrong here
We will be at the top don’t worry it’ll all work out
Idk people expect to do more damage than in tww?
Bf went from legit 100% cleave to 30%
And people think the spec will still do damage
Kinda hilarious to me but
Somehow it’ll work out
Ye for sure
Just have faith in….. the devs? 😭
Devs… as in developers?
i have faith in dev evoker
Look, outlaw wasn't underperforming enough and they had to make sure, okay?
if you squint really hard at the dmg meter the bars kinda look like the same length
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Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
how can i get a bracer for catalyst?
i think dynamic cdr of abilities changes more than it sounds like it do
like every single pull felt different as TWW sub, even if pretty similiar
the main difference maker is sectec's cdr being gone
dance is same-same
but sectec you could send more frequently during your cds and that was noticeable
i think current sub without symbols would be chill
it would just be an extra button ud have to press / macro to dance
wouldnt change much since theres like no downtime between dances where ud maybe press a dry symbols
Ya I can't wait to see one button rotations on some specs doing more after the maths is done lol.
bro stole my gif
🥀
it originates from a guild i know
and I stole it from another server

We were saying he should be sent to an asylum in fs discord
I wish I had the gif from sylvanas tier
Friend got every single chain
Was pulled to the middle of the room

Guys listen
sylvanas was fun for us
Imagine you wake up one day, and it's midnight
crazy no
u know the best part, that druid bouncing back and forth is the one who brezes the recorder
nobody else was willing to do it
actually iirc he ended up trapped bouncing trying to get in range to send the brez

so is zac weakaura out of comission forever
Yes
Haven't logged in cuh
It will look the same
And be better than all your uis
No cap
good Im going to need that
So who is going to force outlaw as meta? This guy is!
24 more hours
what how did it come from another server

idk
why wangb not in wrod??!@?!?!
need to become a rumble player @vivid vessel
midnight is out tomorrow yay...
!wangbar
hello it is me I am @vivid vessel now 🥖
(on the spec he actually will be playing)
Awang bricked up on a Wednesday?? Ayooo!????
Actual copypasta of Zac’s ui?
hi, anyone knows an addon that helps on RolltheBones plz
help in what way?
If you want it to tell you when to roll that's no longer possible
!ui
Resources:
ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
Misc:
Mute Cold Blood sound
EasyReminders - can show poison reminders outside of instances

so beside Jackpot!, what other buff let u hold the roll? the triple?
hold on anything except the first
ah kk ty
Hey bois, first time logging back in for a while and before I do a deep dive on what's changed, I see Killing Spree doesn't have its damage delay anymore. Did they add a compensation for that anywhere else in the kit, or is it just a net-negative on survivability to Outlaw Rogues?
I played PvP almost exclusively. ^-^;
in pvp its shambles
new kspree is a terrible spell but its worse drop off was in pvp
.. Oh.
no they didnt add it anywhere else and you lost additional tankiness in talent changes as well
cdr on evasion and feint is gone
.. Oh.
kspree doesnt break roots either
its just a short range cast time attack that does moderate damage
you also lost vanish cdr so you have 1 vanish every 2 minutes now
pvp outlaw got smacked pretty hard
Geez, that's wild.
Why did they do all that? Was the trade-off for Outlaw to at least be gods in PvE? 
Bruuuh.
Well damn, thanks for the info, gonna try to do some more quick catch-up on what's gone down while I was out.
welkcome to chamapion culb.
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Assa did too. But it's okay because naturally sub came out somehow unscathed because nothing bad ever happens to sub.

As we near Midnight early launch I think I want to condense down my thoughts on all three specs:
Outlaw Rogue: Thematically it is now starting to coalesce around a proper identity of a mix between a blade dancer and short range pistol duelist. The power of Crackshot talent was redistrubted now evenly between BTE, Dispatch and melee auto attacks instead of TWW design with the weight being all in Crackshot windows. Outlaw is more balanced out of stealth now but like any other Rogues can still use stealth when needed. Talent wise the spec talent tree is I think now better than both Assassination and Sub because it does not feel as restrictive at the top or bottom of the tree and thematically you can see how the RTB talents, BTE talents, Ambush/Sinister Strike talents, and and BF talents are aligned in the tree for specific purpose. Only complaint from my view is that Outlaw is too squishy compared to Assassination and Sub given it does most of its fighting out of stealth. Outlaw like Sub is now easier for new players to engage however, RTB may still trip new and returning players up as well as how BTE damage ramp stacking functions. Outlaw cap stones do feel under powered compared to Assassination and Sub though.
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culd u not
i take enough psychic damage reading that on the forums i dont need it in here
why do you read forums
stop being toxic weran
no.
everyone and everything is welcomed in this wonderfull discord
i will post the sub and sin sections too
based
Gotta admit, the thing I enjoyed most as a QOL feature with Outlaw was the high Versatility. That let me survive so many solo encounters with Delves and almost always ensured I was one of the last men standing for a mythic raid prog kill.
too bad vanish was removed from rb :) even tho the removal of crackshot and cto was more than enough to completely eliminate vanish offensive usage
100% it allowed for things like more task focus when killing the ?? Nemesis bosses.
idk i personally love having my solo sustain kit guttered for the sake of simplification
funny how the "vanish needs to be utility" people are quiet now that vanish was completely useless in every aspect of the game
remember we are the toe 👏 to 👏 toe 👏 spec
thats why we are as squishy as sin and squishier then sub

its like they never wanted to be stealth even for utility purposes
Okay so, I'll clarify - High Vers and having Vanish give healing was great > Not a day goes by I feel sad that Vanish was removed as an offensive capability. Again, on the ?? Nemesis bosses, hell even soloing old content like aberrus or something - having them reset in the middle of a perfect run at like 12% HP because of the Vanish reset was murder-inducing. Fucking glad that shits gone.
it was already gone
the removal of vanish from RB was just a kick in the nuts 4 fun
And the removal of float too
yea
i mean that one was kinda relevant in pvp so i guess they thot we were too op in pvp or something
but it certainly hurts solo playability
its ok tho, if u encounter a rare with too much hp for u to sustain down without drying u can always just swap sub or sin to try to burst it down

Till sub gets nerfed
What are they suppose to say? They won
I'm in a mood
WE won
Suck it
🥇
i mean you feel how you want to feel bro, i wont deny that vanish had issues in solo stuff
but it being gone is suc ha blow to rogue defensive and utility and theme for no reason
could have easily remove crackshot from vanish and thats it and leave it on restlessblades so your damage isnt so tied to damage windows
a million different ways to do it
give bte and adren 2 charges to give us agency on target prio damage

like crackshot did
why am i doing this to myself
im doing delves to burn keys and holy fuk is new outlaw just like dragging nails over a chalkboard in "easy" content
BF lasts long enough that itll fall off 5s before each delve pack dies but if i cast it again it wont be up for the next pack
who thought this was gameplay that needed to come back for law
surfs up dud
its crazy how unfun BF design is in the easiest content in the game
just makes it feel like the game is fighting ur attempts to aoe
just go St everything down you idiot its a world quest
its easy!!!!!!!!111!!1
They should add flurry to the snd passive we have when we dispatch
I honestly think since they brought us this close to BFA Outlaw, they should give us a 2nd charge of bf
What if they…. Just removed the CD
And I'm not really a pro 2 charges everything person but bf is an exception
put back 2 15s, give 2 charges
coming back to wow haven’t played since s2 df am i trippin or is it way slower apm?
sounds like you wading into a #outlaw doomer convo
blade flurry benefits from restless blades doe
and we don't have apex
or is this midnight doomer convorsation
live
not tripping its slower
~10% slower then mid DF if thats the last thing u remember, not as big a drop off as from TWW
Midnight live less than 24 hours
How many outlaws we gonna hv tmr
Probably 3
so how do I pay you for this bc zac is gonna make me wait
he only accepts feet pics and compliments to his mothers traditional somalian cuisine
so, the usual
gentlemen, i've been sandbagging outlaw all this time
Cold blood is not worth it
I fucked my own sims somehow somewhere somewhen

smh solo we trusted you
If it makes you feel better, I sand bag myself harder than any talent will
is supercharger actually worth more then cold blood
its so piss
its what like 6 CP per minute now
1 additional finisher a minute

maybe press rtb on cd again?
yes, but I quadruple checked that the talents are doing what is expected
QUADRUPLE checked is crazy
I suppose 2% crit and change is not doing a whole lot
Even if you override to 0 crit it's better

i mean crit is our best stat by a bit and u get so few supercharger cp now a day... was cold blooded just oversimming or
wasnt SC like a 2% node
they both seem piss to me i could just see how cold blooded would win 
cold blooded should be pretty shit with no crit tho right? its like zero in, its a crit adder talent that also for some reason scales with ur base crit
yeah that's true
but also removing lethality is worth it
You go full supercharger
not sure exactly what happened cause I certainly tested it at some point
We would be so strong if Ace UYS actually was only 1 talent point but added 6 combo points 
but yea supercharger is like +11cps a minute
that feeds into apex and ace and such? idk
it doesnt sound great but oh well
we are but slaves to the green number
and how much of a giganto dps boost do we get from this swap

i mean its not like either of these talents impacts ur gameplay really
supercharger at least adds some proc chances to stuff
you could argue that supercharger gives you slightly more burst
it's like 2% if you include that thief's versatility gets a little stronger too
which would be a silly thing to argue in outlaw discord
nah bro every lil bit counts
Guys, i like outlaw
Subtlety didn’t hook me 
me too
So I went sword and 🔫
real
accurate representation of our damage
lol
id be surprised if it did, they dont have a hook
i just died to fall damage in a delve because by the time i was "in range" for hook to path, it was too slow to hit the ground before i did

crazy good spec tbh
guess i gotta be more careful yolo sprinting around these platform delves
oh this is actually horrifying
doesnt happen for normal falling still its fine
it was archival assault so i like to sprint jump between platforms/levels and because ur in midair for most of it hook cant "path"
so i was only like 10 feet over the ground when it let me hook
didnt used to die to this though


damn im never gunna finish this flickergate achievement i guess
i wonder if its gone in midnight or u can come back and do old delves
whats the achievement
if you of all people didnt get a delve achievement its fake news
!ui
Resources:
ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
Misc:
Mute Cold Blood sound
EasyReminders - can show poison reminders outside of instances
you can just spam them on tier 1 if you dont care about the rewards. at least makes it go by a little quicker.
thats true
maybe i do that tomorrow after work
anyone else have the bug where every single time they hit a load screen or reload their ui it fucks the positioning of everything until you open edit mode
and then it puts it back in the correct place
yes
every single time
if you desperately need an old outlaw fix just learn to play the piano and youll feel that same thing but better
nope i just click edit mode everytime i load in
kinda aids
rip
I play muse dash and it's kinda similar 🙂↕️
wonder if u can macro it, ik u can macro opening bags
how tf is super chargerbetter than cb @gaunt phoenix
now the double awang rule of
nvm not that one rule im thinking of
well, lethality is 3% dps, and then cb itself is 1.3% or something
over 5 minutes, supercharger is effectively +57 CPs or so
which is about 6% of your total CPs income
which broadly translates to a 6% dps increase
So supercharger is about 1.5-2% ahead of lethality+cb
it makes sense, for one reason or another it just slipped through the cracks
killing spree feels underwhelming 
How about if there’s at least a minute of downtime?
If you remove 1 minute of gameplay, supercharger should remain the same ratio of your total cps
Is it worth it/similar dps to drop prep for sleight of hand?
Feelycraft feels like downtime would have a lot bigger impact on supercharger than CB
But, I have no numbers to back that up so ignore,
If you remove sleight, you lose the talent gate here
yeah it should have a little impact as AR cd gets to tick down
maybe not enough to move dps by much
sorry i meant at 90
looking ahead for talents to play around with tomorrow
Probably negligible unless it’s copious copious dimensius esque amounts of downtime
That's the level 90 build
well, it's also level 80 too
at 90 you just gain the 4 apex talents
You can remove a summarily dispatched for prep
Prep is probably better in coordinated keys
KS kills what lil prio you’re doing right now, and prep is doo doo in m+
i think it could have its place
in single target is it KS or prep? or are they pretty close
I mean, if it’s a dungeon where the boss has a damage amp sure.
You dont use KS unless we use the Trickster tree, cause trickster needs it
But if you’re at the key level where 30 seconds of AR is needed to kill a prio mob, Assa is probably going to outperform at that point
for now trickster is close but not worth it
Who knows what tuning will bring
so would single target just take the second point in SD or prep - i know it probably is super minor but im just curious
Prep should win but it might depend on kill timer
at ~4 minutes you get a 2nd cast
We talking raid? If so prep is going to realistically always be better unless it’s a straight pump n dump ST fight.
so we would just crank prep right at the start then to get the timer rolling for second cast right?
Any priority adds, damage amps, yaddi yadda, prep will be better for your raid. Not necessarily you, but for your raid yes. If you broke it down to a 30 or 45 second profile sim, prep would be ahead by quite a bit
If you know you will get a 2nd cast yeah pretty much
Think an underrated part of prep is it also gives you a second chance to high roll RtB
but you could have to make a call between 2 "normal" casts vs 1 priority/amp cast
Also, they could just tune RtB to not be a slot machine
yes
Aladeen
But yea leveling as outlaw because reasons.
Mo war mode mobility
Also, prep nice to have for war mode leveling
People wanna get froggy
what? Shouldnt all the pirates in this channel be leveling as Outlaw by default?
!wa
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@gaunt phoenix are there race sims out?
I'm interestred in Tauren/Dwarf vs Panda vs Mecha gnome
Me bro
Mechagnome is like, 0.4% ahead
i think this tends to happen early in the season
cuz they get an agility bonus
but that doesnt scale
With ilvl
panda should also have staying power
But I guess to "make the most of your money" Tauren and dwarf will be better
Really?
when we stop using primary stat food it's still more stat than other stat races on secondary stat food
Ahhh
may still lose to tauren after a few tiers, but it will never be bad
Are you still tauren
You are the goat
Tauren just looks sick
I am Mag'har atm due to sub
But this shit is so bad
undead more of a damage loss than half of our talent choices

Dracthyr only for the pretty hair styles in visage 
it seems haranir is not implemented
haranir shall be only druid
but lose otherwise
for some reason they changed it to damage dealt to those instead of reduced damage taken from them like they originally teased
so now it has the old troll problem of being randomly bis on some fights and not on others
i was tauren in late shadowlands, never again
Panda men are good all around
Time to become plump
they're too big
What are you now
smol races i can see around me more
I was goblin for years, briefly dwarf, and returned to goblin
gotta be tauren so hook snaps less
true
That bleed hits so hard
Style points
the bleed removal is probably the strongest defensive/utility racial
This was peak goblin jumping from me

I had a sick goblin clip that is now lost to time
goblin jump into hook apparently gets you across the platforms on sylvanas intermission
sometimes
That's crazy
would you be offended if i called you a transmog whore
you can also bug into places you probably shouldn't be by canceling grapple with goblin jump
but I haven't gotten to play much with that after going tauren
Tbf tho
She was
Tauren is just insane
BRO I JUST RACE CHANGED
LEAVE ME ALONE
thats me
I knew it
What build you leveling in btw
damn, I am still a silly undead. I feel left out
I'm gonna get all them movement gems as well
that's a good idea
I used to use bloodmallet in the past, but that doesn't work atm
sim i posted
I think I managed to get an extra 25% speed from enchants and gems
Also this
the wrist enchant alone is like 15% speed
Which one?
148% 
I’m up to ~190% in stealth as outlaw
My bags are not a mess
Is anyone here even a mechagnome
Naa
no
I thought I had more speed gear, but I must have vendored it while cleaning up for midnight
only 180% in stealth
so you're telling me, as a horde player, you want me to go tauren? 
another big cow in the family
Did you do speed diamond and diamond embellishment
Is "Tricks" buggy atm?
does anyone know of an add on that is similar to the WA that shows RotB timers and such
Ohh that is big
everything else is already mentioned
except this food is better than bear tartare apparently
I could break 200% if I got the embellishment but idk if I want to beg someone for a recraft at midnight before midnight
Do it
oh and change chest enchant to stormriders agility
instead of the all stat one you have had on all expac
Oo ye
the racials are like unironically very good
but its so ugly no one plays it
negative aura is worth at least 5% DPS
@vivid vessel Have you managed to find something to replicate the sound you had for when you get a PS proc
I need to sort the mog but
I think it's done
zooming
dejacharacterstats has it
hoods on cows look soooo bad
You look so bad
Naa sorry
That was too far
I know but that's not relevant
is midnight released today for NA and EU or just NA ?
It's today for EU
niiice
well technically tomorrow (midnight)
unless you are in UK/portugal timezone
Ohh ye
damn thats messed up
ok, so 23h for me, cool,
i am still bothered by all this gated content that blizzard insists to put in place
gating things on release is ok
I've never in my life seen a mechagnome
Even tho it's like absolute cinema racials
Idk how
I havn't eather, but that sim makes me wonder if I should swap away from undead 😄
Unless you are RWF then no need to ever change your race
Undead supremacy
Interesting that blizz made bte animation into cowboy theme 
Personally I like that theme more than pirate
it really should have been a glyph though
random tumbleweed actually enforcing a specific vibe for outlaw isn't it
Would be crisp if we dual pistol shot wit it 
or a glyph to remove it at least would be nice
ngl i have NOT seen the animation
this is the first i heard of it
glyph wouldve been better yeah
but it is what it is
I mean it's a fine animation I just don't see my rogue as a wildwest american cowboy
you guys leveling as outlaw btw?
you guys leveling by hand?
Definitely not visible in the middle of chaos 
yeah but in a duel or 2v2 would be
3v3 too
i can see how itd annoy someone













