outlaw

[gaunt phoenix]

is this a helmet?

[stiff vector]

ye

[gaunt phoenix]

oh i thought you get 'take a socket for helmet'

[gaunt phoenix]

so ye helm is better

[sharp jackal]

sorry 😂

[gaunt phoenix]

to convert

Dont call me god emperor i am wrong frequently

[civic zephyr]

is haste still valuable at 22% for kir?

[gaunt phoenix]

Not really

[sharp jackal]

also god emperor can sometimes be wrong!

[gaunt phoenix]

Ngl i don't like the notion of class leads that people listen to every word

[civic zephyr]

why is it better to get closer to 19% if you dont mind me asking

[keen belfry]

any extra haste than what u NEED is kinda wasted vers/crit

[lucid sandal]

KEKWWWWWW

[civic zephyr]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/a4YBUvGPGWWWXH824xuGzQ this is 22% haste

[gaunt phoenix]

at 19% you get to 25% after alacrity bonus

which is the AR cap

[frail veldt]

Yeah this is a no kings discord

Freedom of speech

(within reason)

Rip ryu

[timid portal]

!def

[ornate heath]

Rogue Defensive Spreadsheet: > Click to open <

[gaunt phoenix]

it's abit lower i think

[sharp jackal]

that is what we love here

[civic zephyr]

wow says otherwise (right talents this time lol)

[gaunt phoenix]

ye you're right

[worldly sinew]

How many parses are at 715 lmfao? 5?

[gaunt phoenix]

i looked at this one

[lucid sandal]

0

Just me

[gaunt phoenix]

it seems you going to 22% haste to take the vers ring is fine

otherwise you lose vers

[lucid sandal]

On Araz

[sharp jackal]

I was just joking, I hope it was slightly funny (please dont answer it)... Anyways, thanks for help!

[gaunt phoenix]

oh i know

[civic zephyr]

ohhh

[worldly sinew]

Hopefully we down Loom/Araz thursday and I hit big

[lucid sandal]

My guild is doing fractillus atm

Then I go get my 100 on soul hunters

For sure

[worldly sinew]

Lag prevents me from parsing heroic, so Mythic is my only hope kekw

MY PC is dated af.. and 30 people just be HOGGIN

[gentle sky]

whot to i take here ?

[lucid sandal]

Netherprism and switch to a better spec

[worldly sinew]

Myth track glove sif you dont got.. otherwise Pace. Idol is mostly M+ I believe.

Something about more targets = more crit idk how Idol works really. I took a Myth pace as well.

[gaunt phoenix]

Idol is just uncapped damage

[covert kestrel]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[gaunt phoenix]

kinda banger

[worldly sinew]

Ahh so its just uncap burst for M+ makes sense

[gentle sky]

shoud you use it for m+? idol

[gaunt phoenix]

ya i use it

But if you are prog raid then maybe take a raid upgrade

[worldly sinew]

prolly goes hard with the prekey fuckery on opener packs ha

[gaunt phoenix]

i guess raid prog would go netherprism for sub

[timid portal]

does anybody know what happens if i break the tether with cloak on loomithar?

[worldly sinew]

dont do that Oof. Cloak the blast for more uptime

[gaunt phoenix]

hmm yea i dont know offhand

!def

[ornate heath]

Rogue Defensive Spreadsheet: > Click to open <

[timid portal]

what i mean is if i drop puddle under or no

or it cancels completly

[lucid sandal]

Still should probably cloak the blast anyway

[worldly sinew]

Probably puddles. tbh

Cloak blast for uptime. Heres my only time I get to flex

yay

[stiff vector]

First trial night with guild tn prayge for giga high rolls all night

[keen belfry]

i havent trialled for a guild since slands

i wodner what its like

[stiff vector]

Squirrel squad half Chinese guild but they have a hof team and then a 5/8m team that raids 2 days(what I’m trialing for) but if I want to ever raid more I figured it’s a good option to have

[keen belfry]

stand unshaken

high progging 2 day guilds would be ideal

[stiff vector]

Partly didn’t have a problem that it’s a bilingual guild cuz low key there’s a lot of rly good Chinese players out there and they always have some crazy techs and shit in high keys

Would be cool to make some connections with good players I prob wouldn’t otherwise play with often

[gaunt phoenix]

CN knew about sleight before us

the tech !

0.4% dps

[stiff vector]

I swear they legit are always ahead of the tech

[wintry solar]

Dude, Castle Nathria left such a mark on me I keep reading CN as Castle Nathria and it keeps confusing me

[keen belfry]

solo how are my stats

[gaunt phoenix]

good

[keen belfry]

you mean it?

[gaunt phoenix]

yes

[stiff vector]

Did they fix the mind control shit in streets and halls? Cuz CN found that tech too

[wintry solar]

I wish my gear had avoidance

[gaunt phoenix]

🦶 Popo🦶

they look like feet

[mighty pivot]

they do

[keen belfry]

is there a better way to sim sleight vs vers without making 2 talent builds in game?

[gaunt phoenix]

in top gear

[wintry solar]

They are BATS

[covert kestrel]

Popo made the weakaura that just always hangs xalataths toes at the top of your screen perma

[wintry solar]

https://tenor.com/view/bats-halloween-moon-night-gif-16745872

[gaunt phoenix]

click copy

but sleight is undersimming slightly

cuz i didnt update rotation

[stiff vector]

I’ve got like 5% avoidance rn but I also have like. 704 vers crit neck with avoid, and lower ilvl weapons and some 710 legs with avoidance I can catalyst

Nothing will ever top my warriors avoidance rng DF s3 tho, his gear was STACKED with avoid

[keen belfry]

ok then i wont even sim i just use sleight still

[stiff vector]

Ye I’ve just been playing SoH everywhere the past week+

[crisp wave]

Helloes! Need some advice concerning itemization. I'm still only at 697 ilvl but apparently have too much vers now as both haste and crit sim better than it. (I'm 22/20/35%-crit/haste/vers) I'm considering crafting Earthen ring but not sure what stats to put it on. Should I still go with haste/vers as it will even out with other items or go haste/crit?

[gaunt phoenix]

because of the rtb bug it will forever undersim anyway

your stats look very normal

The KIR build wants 19% haste (20% is fine) and then dump the rest in mostly vers and some crit

crafting is a bit awkward because you want to hover at 19% haste

cannot go lower and dont want to go much higher

Because you are gearing, just go vers haste

when you are 712 and have lots of gear to pick from, you may recraft it if you have a better combination of haste pieces without haste on that ring

[shy pecan]

dont stat sim

[gaunt phoenix]

you can use raidbots top gear to add any item to your bags and potentially sim what to use

but crafting a vers haste ring is very much expected and like everyone has one

[crisp wave]

I didn't. Well did but only as like a reference as for example I have an 681 haste/vers earthen amu and it sims higher than a 697 chrysalis (with 19% haste remaining)

So i was like wtf?

[shy pecan]

haste scales a bit better in st

[cedar kernel]

i guess i cast 86 times of feint in a 10+ can be a meme

[gaunt phoenix]

if a sim looks weird i can look at it

[cedar kernel]

oh wait i should make that

[gaunt phoenix]

but need to see what you see

[strong halo]

Bro I’m tied with a frost dk at 11m overall. He has 0 interupts I die to bolts and he says gg rogue low dmg that pull

[shy pecan]

of

yellowmanbad

[strong halo]

Bro killed me and then flamed me

We have same interupt cd I was at 21 total to his 4

[shy pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/gorilla-gif-20569838

[strong halo]

Criminal behavior

[proven ocean]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/451631560827994112/1350902980614033428/ride.gif

[indigo token]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/451631560827994112/1350902980614033428/ride.gif

[cedar kernel]

[mighty pivot]

dk interrupt is also longer range

[wintry solar]

From the bygone days of anti-caster niche

[crisp wave]

I'll do that then. Thank you.

[wintry solar]

That's not a real word

[mighty pivot]

not even, they buffed it in legion apparently

[stiff vector]

fotm DK players...nothing you can do but gg go next

[buoyant cosmos]

DK has so much utility it's craaaaazy

grip is insane

instant brez is nice too

AMZ is better than nothing

[cinder haven]

AMS and DA, ignore everything

[buoyant cosmos]

all of his kicks are accidents

[cinder haven]

hmm

if 720 dagger is 2% more ST than cudgel and cudgel does 1.5-2% over a key

really worth?

feels not worth the hassle

[young prism]

hassle = 15 mins per week so

[untold yarrow]

also sleet

[wintry solar]

Sleet is as buggy as aoe blind

[buoyant cosmos]

the swapping macro is the hassle

[buoyant cosmos]

If it's like a cone from the middle of the hitbox I could see that being part of it

[inland acorn]

I did swapping macro in S2, cba do it 2 seasons in a row

[wintry solar]

It is

I HATE CC cones

[untold yarrow]

i never had issues with aoe blind

the cone angle seems quite wide

[buoyant cosmos]

DK Sleet

not ours

[untold yarrow]

ahh ok thought soemone was saying they have the same cone

[buoyant cosmos]

Nah theirs is probably like dragons breath

idk if that's still a thing

an obtuse angle would be better for sure

[wintry solar]

Sleet is a cone

[young prism]

sorry i misunderstood. However its still not imo

you just press one button afterall

[wintry solar]

I'd know because I grip in arena and my blind somehow misses

[buoyant cosmos]

the way your fist balls up

[wintry solar]

As I swing it at my monitor

[buoyant cosmos]

and your keyboard exhales

[wintry solar]

He got lucky...

[buoyant cosmos]

next time though....

[wintry solar]

His Cheat Death is on cooldown

[buoyant cosmos]

Papa no!

[wintry solar]

Getting my belt

[buoyant cosmos]

it's jover

anyways

I don't weapon swap in keys

anyone else?

[frail veldt]

same

Im over cudgel

until I get veterna then I might try it again

but I just kinda dont like it

[safe pasture]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[cinder haven]

ffs, UB..

I had 3 UB stacks and 1 EB

hit SS 3 times

then dispatch key

[safe pasture]

isnt there a wa that shows targets in range of bf?

[cinder haven]

it dispatches

there is yeah

[frail veldt]

wait keep going tobfon

[safe pasture]

tryna find that thang

[frail veldt]

lol

[cinder haven]

coup comes up just after my dispatch

[frail veldt]

?

wait wat

[cinder haven]

not even a proc?

just a normal fucking UB that didn't get converted into EB in over a gcd

[frail veldt]

??????????

[inland acorn]

type !wa in #subtlety

[frail veldt]

thats dumb

[inland acorn]

they have one

[cinder haven]

yeah fuu maintains one iirc

[safe pasture]

i did doe D:

[vivid vessel]

The base proc was 1 sec delayed ?

[safe pasture]

oh wait in sub?

[vivid vessel]

I haven't had that one yet

[cinder haven]

yeah as far as I can tell

[vivid vessel]

Only the tier proc

You got a log or what

[cinder haven]

was in dorn

[vivid vessel]

Ah ye

Make sense

[cinder haven]

nah I don't log dummies 🙂

I log a lot, but not dummies

[inland acorn]

Targets in range tracker

[buoyant cosmos]

who's the dummy now!?

kidding

[cinder haven]

I do have instant replay of it tho

[inland acorn]

Drop Swift slasher or thief's vers for SOH on hunters

[buoyant cosmos]

Lok might know

or are you just pondering for yourself

[inland acorn]

Hmm, sim tells me it's 0.2% loss to drop SS

3t 5min patch

[cinder haven]

but SOH is more vibes

[inland acorn]

ye that's why i'm dropping

something

[cinder haven]

I'd drop SS

it's usually worse than the vers one

[buoyant cosmos]

That's 100% more haste from SnD right?

[inland acorn]

ye

or

not haste

[buoyant cosmos]

attack speed

[inland acorn]

it's attack speed equal to 100% of haste

[buoyant cosmos]

right

maybe if our mastery did something lol

[inland acorn]

It exists

[opal raven]

ok i just turbo fcked soul hunters

[inland acorn]

Thats punishment already

[frail veldt]

wait are people not running deft on soul hunters? lol

[inland acorn]

No

[cinder haven]

deft is almost never a good idea in raid

[frail veldt]

eh whatever I still blasted

[inland acorn]

it's 3t, so without broadside it kinda sucks

[frail veldt]

lol

[inland acorn]

and they jump often, so a lot of 2t hits

[frail veldt]

yeah makes sense

I just go my m+ build cuz im lazy

[buoyant cosmos]

king

[cinder haven]

regarding the delayed UB proc issue I saw

only thing I can think of is that the UB weak aura was wrong about me having 3

maybe I actually only had 2

[frail veldt]

could be

[cinder haven]

and the second one double procced

[frail veldt]

this was on a dummy right?

[cinder haven]

ye in laggygal

[buoyant cosmos]

The UB w/a is tracking the escalating buff right?

[vivid vessel]

Did you update the weak aura in S3 tob

It need an update for tier set

[cinder haven]

yeah I did

[frail veldt]

yarp

[vivid vessel]

Ok

[cinder haven]

it was painful

because I had modified it

[vivid vessel]

There is still a bug that happens sometimes

But it's a bit rare

[frail veldt]

saaame lol

[cinder haven]

idk I just did a difftool merge

[frail veldt]

oh what

smort

I hsould do that next time

[cinder haven]

it was kinda fine, luckily LE WA:s are usually plain lua code

[buoyant cosmos]

TC brain play

[frail veldt]

I always just assume WAs change too much and that the diff will be a complete mess

[vivid vessel]

I modified it a lot as well but only the frontend

[cinder haven]

I did the diff on specific blocks of text

[vivid vessel]

I legit just update the back end only everytime

[cinder haven]

not the whole thing

[vivid vessel]

Easy enough

[frail veldt]

I heard there was a WA to track your antenna miss percent

anyone got it?

[vivid vessel]

Bro I just saw this charlie kirk guy die

Crazy

[balmy topaz]

Ye

[frank finch]

wat

[vivid vessel]

Just don't miss noob

[balmy topaz]

That shit is crazy

[cinder relic]

Not in here

[vivid vessel]

But you can also just check details

You compare the 2 procs

And it's fine

No need a weak aura

[balmy topaz]

Guy had that she pre typed

[vivid vessel]

[keen belfry]

ronkley wiating

[frail veldt]

Well I want to know how many I miss

[vivid vessel]

Well ye

Check details

[frail veldt]

How do I do dat I only see the one buff

Like what's the expected amount

Are you checking for reapplications? Or what

[vivid vessel]

There is 2 buffs named antenna

[frail veldt]

Should they be 1:1?

Cuz sometimes I see like multiple orbs at once

[vivid vessel]

If you pick them all ye

[buoyant cosmos]

it doesn't have / has a very short ICD

[frail veldt]

Okay good to know so 1:1 is 100%

[vivid vessel]

me on dimmycock

antenna very bad on dimmy tho

it is what it is

I got antenna too early in the tier and araz wasn't a thing fast enough

I blame sub channel

Too slow

[buoyant cosmos]

Just tell the LC to feed you

[cinder haven]

btw zac, I finally got this the other day

[buoyant cosmos]

Little shop of horror's status

[vivid vessel]

Ye I don't

I'm still stuck at 10

[tulip fjord]

trinket or offhand? trinket sims nice in aoe, but is it rlly good for m+ or just a sim bait?

[buoyant cosmos]

trinket is huge

uncapped AOE

has a 1 second cast

can buy it with dinar in like a month and a half tho if that matters to you

[cinder haven]

is that in .5 or .7?

did they say?

[red zinc]

.5

[tulip fjord]

thx!

[frail veldt]

oh tru

man that means im gona have to pug to soulhunters mythic

so I can buy sigil

[red zinc]

oct 7 is legion remix

few weeks after is turbo boost

not exactly specified when but just said "shortly after"

[buoyant cosmos]

Imma say 2

[red zinc]

im just kinda sad about legion remix man

[indigo token]

honestly

if we got a longer patch cycle

[red zinc]

they seem to be consciously not allowing infinite secondary scaling

[indigo token]

but we didnt have all these fucking bugs

[fathom bramble]

I think remix is going to be a skip the first 2 weeks type thing

[indigo token]

id be ok with it

[fathom bramble]

they will fix it

[red zinc]

itll be ass for the whoel time idk

they literally made good changes in the last cycle

but apparently dont want secondary scaling at all

[buoyant cosmos]

Didn't they say they'd changed a lot about the start? Or was it still not enough

[red zinc]

which was the whole fun part

[fathom bramble]

I don't think it has been enough yet

[buoyant cosmos]

Got it

[fathom bramble]

mists remix was the same too anyway

skipping the first bit just made it easier after they buffed everything

[buoyant cosmos]

Last month was good

[buoyant cosmos]

Just get the drop instead

Ez

[west ridge]

best way to play remix is come in late after eveything has been buffed or nerfed

and you farm all the rewards

[untold yarrow]

do you get them on your main

ah

[strong halo]

!defensives

[untold yarrow]

whats the next remix

[strong halo]

whats the command again dmh

[untold yarrow]

wod?

kekw

[strong halo]

smh*

[worldly shale]

BM WHO

[ornate heath]

Rogue Defensive Spreadsheet: > Click to open <

[untold yarrow]

they skipping vod?

wod

when classic legion tho

i dont even remember if outlaw was good in legion

[earnest vapor]

classic tww next year?

[untold yarrow]

bro

legion aws 10 years ago almost

its time to relive it

[buoyant cosmos]

The raiding was great imo

[cinder haven]

when does classic overtake retail?

I'm sure someone made a projection

[untold yarrow]

hfc was cool i didnt raid other tiers in wod

[frail veldt]

I heard wod was like their worst xpac

I didn tplay

but I heard only bad things about it lol

[earnest vapor]

maybe with wod classic having a shorter time frame to be active its pacing isnt that terrible

[untold yarrow]

outside of raids it was dogshit

[buoyant cosmos]

40 years or something

[stiff vector]

I didnt rly get to fully enjoy legion cuz I just randomly started playing retail again about half way thru legion after not playing mop/wod/cata and I was casually playing pugging everything. I would actually like to fully experience it one day in legion classic tbh

[rustic isle]

!macro

[ornate heath]

Macroing gs is relatively "ok", be aware that it wont ever be entirely optimal: target swapping in m+ or putting it on a dying target for example. You can macro it to all your abilities.

[buoyant cosmos]

May have been 2040 rather

Not 40 years

[earnest vapor]

maybe after we reach the current expac on classic

we will get classic classic classic wow

hopefully classic + but i doubt

[strong halo]

Bro some none rogues are telling me im trolling by taking cheat death over elusiveness

[west ridge]

where?

[buoyant cosmos]

In raid or

[strong halo]

m+

[buoyant cosmos]

I like elusive more but you don't have to have it ig

[west ridge]

like what are we talking about here

like a 10?

[strong halo]

14

[buoyant cosmos]

Still fine

[chilly dagger]

We're tanky as is. I like having my 1 freebie. Prob not optimal

[vivid vessel]

Ok so

Imo

How you play that

Since outlaw is baseline tanky anyway

How I played it in S2 especially since ks was a thing

Is I just played cheat

Till I couldn't

[tough salmon]

Zac was perma standing in bad

so he had to play cheat death

[vivid vessel]

Like when you feel you need more defs and you can't survive without

[drowsy thicket]

hi anyone have macro for tot to target partyleader ?or tank

[west ridge]

thats the real reason

[vivid vessel]

That's probably when you need more defs

Also porsea fuck you

Login we play

[tough salmon]

8min of wiping on soul hunters innit

[vivid vessel]

Wipe faster cuh

[vivid vessel]

!tott

[ornate heath]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[hardy thicket]

Iuno I just always play elusiveness in keys tbh. I like having perma DRs

[vivid vessel]

I do too but I'm so used to it now

[tough salmon]

I dunno I need to push my raid lead to raid another day this week

[lofty sand]

Yo guys i Just pulled rank1 loomi vs all rogues

[vivid vessel]

I think cheat does has more value tho in general low keys while learning

[tough salmon]

cause fuck me soul hunters seem kinda easy aswell

[west ridge]

elusiveness has more value the higher the key goes

[vivid vessel]

Don't stop raiding till you kill dimmy ?

[indigo token]

LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[west ridge]

but in certain dungeons if everything is aoe its kinda of a wash

[indigo token]

IM NOT BENCHED THIS WEEK

[tough salmon]

"guys I kill dimmy today"

[west ridge]

nice

[buoyant cosmos]

If you're playing trickster it'll last for an hour anyways.

[vivid vessel]

[buoyant cosmos]

If you find a critter / non elite mob at the start just apply it before the key

[vivid vessel]

@tough salmon i also named the logs wrong i guess

it is what it is

[frail veldt]

Yeah tbh with new KS I dont feel the need to run cheat anymore

[sullen wyvern]

Just another week

[drowsy thicket]

ty

[frail veldt]

and having evasion for extra dr that doesnt cost energy feels better

[sullen wyvern]

on which I wont have boots

amazing system blizzard

put an item that everyone needs behind your trash gacha system

[untold yarrow]

i havent seen a raid trinket in 3 weeks

normal or hc

kek to the W

[hardy thicket]

Evasion is also litty on a lot of stuff to just greed damage

[buoyant cosmos]

I played for a month at the end of S2, learning where/when to KS was (not) fun

[frail veldt]

ye evasion is yuge

[drowsy thicket]

no im playing assa

[sullen wyvern]

boots are 1.4% upgrade for me, bigger upgrade even above myth track weapon

[frail veldt]

I quit S2, imo its the worst outlaw has felt since the rework in DF S3

[untold yarrow]

based as always

[frail veldt]

idgaf about tuning

if the spec feels awful

[untold yarrow]

you dropped this 👑

[vivid vessel]

s2 outlaw played better than current one

[hardy thicket]

Spec feels kinda awful rn

[vivid vessel]

if you ignore you were killing yourself

[frail veldt]

if I wanted to play a spec that feels bad but pumps I would have just played dk last season

[frail veldt]

yeah leme just ignore that rq

[vivid vessel]

ye

well

[untold yarrow]

coup + ks is just awful combo to play around

[frail veldt]

I think SoH feels def a little better but the trickster set bonus actually makes the spec feel WORSE overall

which is just

like wtf

[hardy thicket]

Like sure KS isnt killing you but its just a shitshow how trickster interacts now

[frail veldt]

how do you make a tier cause a spec to feel WORSE

[hardy thicket]

Ye

[frail veldt]

tbh new KS with old tier felt fine if not great

start of the season was awesome

spec was super fun imo

[hardy thicket]

Ye old tier was goat

[winter cave]

!logreview https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/RL4m7NPgT3xkDKFV?fight=45&type=damage-done&source=24

[buoyant cosmos]

I came back in July for the collectors bounty, friends said "keys?" and I was hooked once again lol

[hardy thicket]

I did my early keys old tier was fun. Went sub instantly when I got new 4pc

[west ridge]

you know what tier was goated

s3 DF tier

[quaint mauve]

i still don’t understand

how to play sub

[west ridge]

roll 1 buff turns into 2 roll 2 turns into 3

[worldly shale]

i need 2 more for resi btw

[quaint mauve]

sub geniunely seems like the most difficult shit ever

[winter cave]

If anyone can have a quick look and tell me if they see something very very wrong rotationally that'd help me alot

[worldly shale]

its like the easiest shit ever tho

go watch a video

tbh

[hardy thicket]

Sub is stupid easy but if you havent touched it before it can just be a bit tricky to get into the cadence

[quaint mauve]

i can’t understand the like

[winter cave]

it's a chaotic fight so not the best log for sure.

[quaint mauve]

cd syncing

shit

[untold yarrow]

i thought so too coming from outlaw but sub is chill

[winter cave]

Sub is so chill in raid

[untold yarrow]

u dont need to sync much

[quaint mauve]

any recs?

[hardy thicket]

Wdym synching

[untold yarrow]

it auto synchs

[quaint mauve]

i’ve watched vods

[untold yarrow]

u sometime hold shit and thats it

for flag and blades

[worldly shale]

i like shindigg

but its for s1

think it still is

good for essentials tho

[quaint mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/wojak-brainlet-microwave-smoke-dumb-gif-3026155548321433372

[untold yarrow]

bring back outlaw DF s1

[hardy thicket]

Ye the only part that requires thinking is whether you send cds or not

[worldly shale]

its an insanely stupid spec tho

XD

imo

[quaint mauve]

i’ll give it another try soon

dummy hitting

because

i just got to the last 2 in raid

[worldly shale]

i mean

[quaint mauve]

:))))))))

:)))))))

:)

bro on soulbinder

[hardy thicket]

Also like if you are worried how to use CDs in raid

Just look at kills

[quaint mauve]

i was top dps

and #6 boss dmg

LOL

[worldly shale]

for soulbinder

i opened best log

and just

filtered where he used flag

[hardy thicket]

Ye

U can just personal note timings

[worldly shale]

he did tech with symbols and dance only

on pull

[quaint mauve]

oh im not playing sub

on any fight i can just play ol

[worldly shale]

then flag before first adds spawn

[quaint mauve]

i just need to learn for last 2

[worldly shale]

then on cd until last set of big adds

where he waited like 30 sec

like its that easy

[fathom bramble]

basically lines itself up for free on the last 2

[mellow mica]

its good?

[untold yarrow]

outlaw not having CDs is based af

tbh

but still

the rest of the spec is dogshit

[worldly shale]

"maam the shit smells but it has good texture"

[buoyant cosmos]

-2% Acele

[hardy thicket]

Based AF til any raid fight with forced downtime

[untold yarrow]

no

outlaw is never fun in raid

like never ever

[mellow mica]

k

[hardy thicket]

Patchwerk fights outlaw is fun or cleave fights when its not dogshit tuned

[untold yarrow]

eh

you go out of melee because u got mechanic

gg

you have a fight which requires burst

gg

[light sable]

im being told that you cheat death is optimal until +16 is that the case?

[untold yarrow]

Elu is goated every key level

[hardy thicket]

If you maximize using elu proactively I think its goat always

Might as well learn

[worldly shale]

i dont understand people that dont like elu

like

i played it since the start

[vivid vessel]

i would consider cheat till around that lvel ye

[worldly shale]

its GOATED

[untold yarrow]

i would never play CD

unless the boss fight was legit

i will 100% die

through every cd

[buoyant cosmos]

The strength of the healer matters too

I feel like I'm helping the rest of the group by taking a lot less dam

[west ridge]

unless the dungeon has like a lot of single target dmg you could prob go even higher imo

[light sable]

fellow rogue telling me now that since zac said its a must then until +16.

[buoyant cosmos]

Zac also plays with other cracked people

Not a random pug healer

Something to keep in mind

[untold yarrow]

this is like super key xd

[hardy thicket]

Its not a must to play CD til 16 or wdym

[strong halo]

Isnt that an arguement for cheat death?

[untold yarrow]

no because you are more squish without elu so a lot less safe esp vs rot

[hardy thicket]

Chest gets you 1 free jail card then ur cooked

Cheat*

[buoyant cosmos]

For him, yeah

[untold yarrow]

getting omega DR from feint and evasion is just too good

[worldly shale]

dont be cooked

[untold yarrow]

and evasiopn gets DR

i mean cdr

[hardy thicket]

Also at a certain key level you will just not live through enough shit at one point with CD

[buoyant cosmos]

Evasion on priory impale feels awesome too

[untold yarrow]

evasion everywhere feels giga

[buoyant cosmos]

Just say no to bleeding out

Dodge it

[untold yarrow]

2nd boss in streets

stand in the whirlwind

and just brrr

[buoyant cosmos]

Huge

[hardy thicket]

So its like play CD if you want but if you push keys at some point you will have to not use it if you go high enough

[buoyant cosmos]

You really get to lean into our defensives are actually offensives with elu

[buoyant cosmos]

Yeah that too, helps you from forming bad habits

[light sable]

so wouldnt elusiveness help you learn to go higher and higher?

[hardy thicket]

Yea thats what im saying. Kinda.

[buoyant cosmos]

It's just another thing to think about

Vs cheat being totally passive

[west ridge]

there mainly comes a point where either the dmg profile of a dungeon really makes elu a no brainer or you just straight up dont survive a single instance of dmg without elusiveness

[hardy thicket]

I would just get used to not having CD before I hit the keys where its mandatory

[worldly shale]

ill just apply to the groups ive been declined in as much as i can

[west ridge]

aka the higher you go the more value elu brings to the table

[worldly shale]

i think that will

make them

inv me

right

[buoyant cosmos]

I think you'll enjoy playing with elu more too

[untold yarrow]

elu is omega giga broken

and only good thing about outlaw

rn

[buoyant cosmos]

You just don't take damage

It's awesome

[light sable]

thank you nightshade for the input

[buoyant cosmos]

Yw

[worldly shale]

thank you nightshade for the input

[buoyant cosmos]

Yw

[untold yarrow]

Good job nightshade

[buoyant cosmos]

It was a team effort

[worldly shale]

A GRAM

https://tenor.com/view/turn-up-gif-9256479

https://tenor.com/view/is-it-gif-20766212

[light sable]

i still cant convince evilshotty

but im troll for not listening to zac ❤️

[untold yarrow]

that club is called bounce by the ounce not gram xd

real lore

[worldly shale]

ounces bounces grams

whatever

the result is the same

bro plays outlaw

for sure

bro no joke

[untold yarrow]

yeah

[worldly shale]

like

idk

[untold yarrow]

thats me kinad on 13s atm

jk i get inved as sub

ez

[worldly shale]

im 3.1

i cant get

into a 14

what

[sudden fulcrum]

OUTLAW!!!!!

[untold yarrow]

bro

u bring nothing to the group

zero prio

zero burst

[buoyant cosmos]

It's becoming a list your own key angle real fast this season

[untold yarrow]

zero uncapped aoe

why would u bring an outlaw

i never invite outlaws on my alts

[worldly shale]

ye im too lazy to play

a 12

[untold yarrow]

they are useless

KEKW

[buoyant cosmos]

For the culture

[untold yarrow]

for the kids

[worldly shale]

i bring

charisma

[quaint delta]

pirate themed m+

[buoyant cosmos]

I bring them to my alt keys

And ask why is blade flurry all of your damage

[worldly shale]

is that spell that broken

nerf outlaw

[untold yarrow]

i would 100000% get banned if i posted this outlaw meme but imagine instead of the pirate theme its a terrorist theme and that describes outlaw perfectly in keys

[buoyant cosmos]

Last guy literally died from cringe

5 seconds after I asked

[untold yarrow]

kekw

outlaw is 1 button

just bladeflurry

[buoyant cosmos]

Real

[worldly shale]

[buoyant cosmos]

Just push your other abilities more often and stop trolling dude

Should have taken the sin rogue

[worldly shale]

XD

ill do that on my alts

[buoyant cosmos]

It's gold

[worldly shale]

im feeling

dh angle

tbh

and monk is fun af

[untold yarrow]

just invite outlaw

inspect

say eww outlaw and kick

kinad funny ngl

[worldly shale]

XD

[buoyant cosmos]

That happened to a frost mage in a key last night

[worldly shale]

that might make

more memes here

too

[vivid vessel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1413242281515024545/image.gif

[worldly shale]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1413245732118593606/image.gif

[untold yarrow]

whos SC is this

kekw

[worldly shale]

zac

[buoyant cosmos]

Oops

[worldly shale]

why arent u

playing

and streaming

wtf

[untold yarrow]

bruh what

[untold yarrow]

he is a what enjoyer

[white mantle]

DONT ABBREVIATE IT NOOOO

[untold yarrow]

i legit dont get why you would ever abbreviate that

same with cyberpunk

idgaf im not shortening it

[white mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-walter-white-gif-8086630669522815021

[worldly shale]

so i was playing cp last year

[frank finch]

so close

[worldly shale]

it was a good game

cp

[zinc briar]

nah i suck

[worldly shale]

it was good

[zinc briar]

99 parse in every boss

and im the last dps

of the raid

im raging with this reclear

we are worst than a fckin pet of hunter iuneqwuienqwiuenqwiuenqwivuenqwevqiwe

[sudden fulcrum]

this channel is so depressing to read

[untold yarrow]

outlaw channel is the best thing about the spec

tbh

[keen belfry]

outlaw channel is 5x the other channels

[worldly shale]

ok can we shut it down

so we get buffed

[keen belfry]

i remember joining the assa channel and i saw wowhead lead telling a guy to take kush's cock out of his throat

[buoyant cosmos]

We aren't cringe like that here

[untold yarrow]

Based + real

[worldly shale]

ok one of us got in

thats good

for the culture

[untold yarrow]

i know that group

the dk and druid are boosters

[strong cargo]

hey that's me !

[untold yarrow]

bro paid

[buoyant cosmos]

https://tenor.com/view/ben-kenobi-hes-me-gif-23727931

[worldly shale]

based

im gonna start offering

gold

to get in

tbh

[strong cargo]

don't insult me XD

[winter cave]

Anyone could give me a hand and have a quick look with me at a log to try and spot some issues I have when I play outlaw ? That'd be much appreciated 😄

[vivid vessel]

hm

interesting

[worldly shale]

bro

[untold yarrow]

zac coaching when

[worldly shale]

gapping tank

tffffff

[light sable]

What’s your raider io kind sir? For research purposes 😬

[worldly shale]

imaggine getting cucked by a fury warr

[frail veldt]

how it feels playing outlaw rn

[vivid vessel]

bad

it feels bad

[frail veldt]

yep

its the tier set

[spare dome]

you guys are playing?

i cant get into keys

[frail veldt]

list your own key

honestly people apply af

[spare dome]

yea ik

whats funny is that when i spec to sub

i get invites

unironically

[worldly shale]

switch ub with ss

PLEASE

[frail veldt]

wat

[worldly shale]

instead

of

ub

would be funnier

if it waws

ss

[frail veldt]

but we dont have too many SS to hold

we have too many UB

[worldly shale]

never enough ss

[daring oxide]

just uncap escalating blades please

so i can stack like 20 escalating blades

press coup back to back like 5 times

and then do Killing spree with 1000% increased finisher damage

ye

fixed

[zinc briar]

broooooooooooooooooooooo

[untold yarrow]

ub + eb + ks + coup = dogshit mechanics

whoever cooked them up

[zinc briar]

i do 0 damageeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[untold yarrow]

is banned from the itchen

[zinc briar]

this shiit sux

[daring oxide]

skill issuez

[zinc briar]

99 parse

my hunt 1more million with 94

1 more million than me on nexus king

lets gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[mellow mica]

!haste

[ornate heath]

A properly geared Outlaw's stat volume will look like Vers > Haste* > Crit > Mastery.

*But Haste has a **requirement ** because Adrenaline Rush scales your GCD based on haste, up to 25%.

The KIR build wants ~19% haste from rating, so it becomes 25% after Alacrity. 18% or 20% is close enough and not a problem. Don't play KIR with lower than 18% haste.

The HO build gets Take 'em by Surprise, so its haste requirement is technically ~9%., but it continues to want haste just for energy. You will likely optimize towards 14-18% haste, not a strict number, just sim.

You need to use Raidbots Top Gear to determine what haste pieces to use. You can also get ~4.2% haste from a flask. This can be equal or better than Vers flask if you need it for either build.

[zinc briar]

and now dimensius

stealth break

incoming

[mellow mica]

its terrible i have 20% haste?

a lot changes in the case?

[gaunt phoenix]

no it's fine

[vivid vessel]

[mellow mica]

ty

[mellow mica]

cooking

[frail veldt]

fr fr fr

or at lesat let it go past to a second stack of 3/4 while you have coup ready

that would be enough

[daring oxide]

ya maybe when coup is ready, create a new buff for coup ready, and start a fresh escalating blades buff

[fossil mountain]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB TWICE some time before entering dungeon to get 4 Supercharger stacks. These stacks don't have a duration.
• Just before key placement use AR into KS to get Loaded Dice and 2 free Unseen Blade procs.
• KS will consume one stack of Supercharger but the 3rd+4th stack are removed when the key starts anyway.
• During the bubble, DO NOT RTB or recast AR as you will lose the CPs and Supercharger stacks when the bubble ends.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now back at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open onto the pack with AR into BtE.

[frail veldt]

theres other buffs that work this way

when you get the proc

it becomes a new buff

and you can keep stacking the next one

[daring oxide]

ya

[frail veldt]

theres literally precedent for this

[daring oxide]

BM's howl works like this too

[frail veldt]

and they fucked it up

[daring oxide]

and would be a brilliant solution for unseen blades

[untold yarrow]

quick idea - remove coup, remove UB, return outlaw to DF S3 and forget this fated/trickster shit ever happened thoughts

[frail veldt]

nah

theres lots of core elements that were improved from DF s3

like two charge vanish

[untold yarrow]

tf

1 charge vanish wasnt even bad

[frail veldt]

it was objectively worse

[untold yarrow]

the whole gameplay loop was x10 better

[frail veldt]

2 charge vanish actually gave outlaw the ability to deal with some downtime

[vivid vessel]

another banger tazavesh session

[untold yarrow]

relying entirety of our damage on vanish windows

[frail veldt]

its way way way better

[untold yarrow]

is fucking lame as fk

[frail veldt]

thats the same with 1 charge of vanish and 1 dance what

thats not what im discussing

im saying its better to have two charge vanish than 1 vanish 1 dance

cuz it allows you to not waste cdr

omg ydad

I know you

[fathom bramble]

2 charges of vanish with the old way of using vanish as a fallback when you ran out of procs would have been sick

[untold yarrow]

this

[fathom bramble]

2 charges of vanish when we use it for crack is also sick

[untold yarrow]

all damage coming from bte in vanish

zzzzz

[muted cedar]

just relearning outlaw, when coup de grace procs it my sims it always casts it twice in a row with nothing inbetween, is this how you play it? just send a 2 cp coup after the first?

[buoyant cosmos]

BTE resetting on stealth is nice too

[frail veldt]

you do if you have any charges of UB

and you dont have a way to build between

[gaunt phoenix]

you try to build cps but you send it early if you have to press sinister strike

[frail veldt]

so no PS or no BF

[gaunt phoenix]

it's just if you have to press ss at all

Not ub directly

[frail veldt]

oh yeaaaah sorry you right I forgot

unless you have KS off cd from the first one right?

then it builds to KS?

[gaunt phoenix]

ya

[frail veldt]

Oh something I thought I understood but was wrong is that we dont prio SS during subt windows with UB stacks?

only outside of subt?

[gaunt phoenix]

it's about the same either way

UB is still damage and flawless form, which is good in subt

[buoyant cosmos]

Consistent trash

[zinc briar]

im so sad...

we are really really bad in st

pffff

[strong cargo]

timed with 8s left 🤦‍♂️ 😓

[zinc briar]

i want to raid as outlaw 🙁

[buoyant cosmos]

That flood?

[vivid vessel]

@proven ocean working up to it, still 30 gilded to spend ..

[elder phoenix]

https://i.imgur.com/h3KedWB.jpeg is this good or bad

[buoyant cosmos]

do you get the sigil tonight?

[vivid vessel]

no im not reclearing till monday

[buoyant cosmos]

good to take a break from raid

[daring oxide]

give me your RTB

[elder phoenix]

What

[daring oxide]

10% 5 natties on plain rolls...??

wtf

thats high rollin

[vivid vessel]

@daring oxide

[buoyant cosmos]

he's using the title

[vivid vessel]

im currently high rolling vurai

[daring oxide]

ok bro spill the secrets

[vivid vessel]

thats how you play outlaw guys

[daring oxide]

ill post here when i get my 10%

in 2027

[buoyant cosmos]

Is this in the wa command now?

[mighty pivot]

just reset the counter enough times until you get favourable numbers

[elder phoenix]

So is sleight of hand the new meta now or what

[gaunt phoenix]

Yes

New meta

[mighty pivot]

new meta same dps

[gaunt phoenix]

28% dps

[buoyant cosmos]

actually huge

[daring oxide]

you mean 28% more happiness, 0.5% dps?

[quiet root]

yeah the fun of rolling 5 buffs more often easily beats a bit of vers

even if it was -0.5% dps

[mighty pivot]

it will be 28% dps after the inevitab(i)le 28% aura buff

[daring oxide]

just think of it this way, if you are feeling really lucky, play TV instead of SOH if you know you are gonna omega giga high roll and get 5 natties on every roll without needing SOH and you'll do all that with 3% more vers so

its just gamba

[quiet root]

i won't omega giga high roll though so i do need soh

unlucky gamer

[daring oxide]

best feeling ever is the first RTB you do when pulling is 5 natty and the momentum propels you so far forward, unless you get omega fucked in the ass later when you keep back to back rolling single BTs like 5 times then just pull the power cord to your PC as your 5 natty start got cured to oblivion and you'll be doing the same dps as that dire beast stood next to you that came from that OP Dark Hunter BM hunter or the sub rogue with no cds

[quiet root]

oops guys i dc'd 🙂

[candid tiger]

i couldnt really find it in the pins, but whats the M+/aoe opener like? So far ive been doing AR in invis, > RTB > BTE > BF > BTE

i have ghostly macrod into that first BTE

[mighty pivot]

5 nat roll into cto proc into KIR into AR and then instadeath. You get ressed with 150s leftover on AR

[daring oxide]

can press BF before getting to a pack

and restealth

[quiet root]

if you can get away with BFing and restealthing before going in that's nice

[daring oxide]

then AR

RTB

[candid tiger]

ah

[daring oxide]

before the dungeon starts

[candid tiger]

that max CP from BF felt so nice though haha

[quiet root]

you're pretty likely to proc ace on the first two BTEs because of supercharger

and then you have BF back up if you miss the proc

[daring oxide]

do rtb twice way before the key is put in so u have 4 SC,

Then as the countdown before the key starts, do AR > Killing Spree,

When the key loads, do SND, BF 3 seconds before the bubble opens, then stealth > RTB > AR

[candid tiger]

Thanks lads, Ill get to practise

[stiff vector]

good news guys, ive already mastered BM hunter ST rotation as well as I play outlaw in ST

it took many rigiourous minutes of hitting the dummy

[fathom bramble]

how many?

[stiff vector]

more than 3

[buoyant cosmos]

You could make your name Target(un)capped until you stop playing hunter

[mighty pivot]

you or your pets?

[quiet root]

how can he master such a difficult spec in a short time

[fathom bramble]

fun fact: BM hunter is softcapped at 9 for some reason

[quiet root]

what a gamer

[fathom bramble]

instead of the standard 8

[stiff vector]

me ofc, see my name is right there

[buoyant cosmos]

"mis-type" by the hunter dev

[mighty pivot]

what a fun fact

[torpid fiber]

It's a unique niche so they're brought on 9 target raid fights.

[fathom bramble]

true true

[stiff vector]

bm gets special treatment 9 target softcap for free, we have to spend talents to be hardcapped at 8, and sacrifice 10% ST to not be shit in low target cleave...hmm

ye seems pretty reasonable

[proven ocean]

@gaunt phoenix aftermath of a supernova

[fluid iron]

did someone with a bloody nose sneeze over a black table top

[proven ocean]

Idk

[daring oxide]

huh wtf how?

[frail veldt]

@keen belfry when is dps comp

[fathom bramble]

kill cleave and beast cleave are 1+8

instead of the correct 1+7

[daring oxide]

oh

GG

[fathom bramble]

been like this since they capped it

[proven ocean]

+1 is actually huge

No cappy

[fathom bramble]

similarly MM is 1+5 without their talent and then 1+7 with their talent on

idk what happened, but it's just gone unfixed

1 extra target is more or less 10% more damage in mass aoe

but since it's always been like this they have effectively always been tuned around it

I guess

[buoyant cosmos]

We still need zac to cast the dps comp

in french ofc

[proven ocean]

I mean

The spec was usually undertuned

[vapid sundial]

we need zac

to stop playing outlaw

so it gets buffed.

[proven ocean]

I guess it should be tuned around it rn

[copper radish]

any1 have the link for the roll the bones stat weak aura

[proven ocean]

Like

[vapid sundial]

[proven ocean]

-1 target

Insta

[vapid sundial]

I was fine with bm being mid- mid high

bc its brain off raid leader spec

[fathom bramble]

BM is a weird case since it's so unrestricted that it probably shouldn't ever be tuned above MM

[vivid vessel]

how do you tune that tho

[proven ocean]

Zac

[vivid vessel]

:)