outlaw

[stiff vector]

so you think MAYBE, just MAYBE theres a slight chance the devs grow a brain and realize how god awful this spec is when were literally the absolute worst boss dmg in the game on every single boss besides Soul Hunters

[torpid heath]

no chance

no player base

[stiff vector]

and I guess Loomithars too, but we are kinda weirdly only towards the bottom and not directly at the bottom on that fight

[torpid heath]

they dont give a fuck

if it was ret pal they would buff

but no player base so they dont care

[teal garnet]

WUT DA

[strong halo]

Tbh i think MM needs a 4% buff

[stiff vector]

I honestly cannot remember a tier in recent history where a spec has been as terrible as outlaw is, and they just didnt give a single fuck and just let it rot

[strong halo]

because now BM > MM and we need to make su re its even

[stiff vector]

I think they genuinely just

have absolutely zero clue

about outlaw

and rogue in general

[torpid heath]

theyre looking at overall dmg

[stiff vector]

and they obviously dont care enough to begin getting a clue about it

[torpid heath]

they dont care about ST

and there is no parse of the last 2 boss

[strong halo]

OUTLAW GOAT ON 3rd BOSS? no buffs

adds die in 0.5 seconds

[torpid heath]

when last 2 boss will have more parse maybe we'll get a buff but i dont think so

[stiff vector]

I mean if the devs responsible for balancing are so short sighted that they dont know to look at boss dmg IN RAID, then blizzard has way bigger problems

[gaunt phoenix]

Yeah never been more convinced that their 'rigorous class tuning analysis' is the front page of wcl

[stiff vector]

it aint rocket science

you would think the one place where ST and boss dmg would be evaluated to a much more strict degree, it would be....in raid

[torpid fiber]

Idk if we're going to see almost any outlaw m dimensius parses ngl

[strong halo]

i blame these guys

[torpid heath]

fuck it i will

[torpid fiber]

rip ur guild

[torpid heath]

xD

no fun meleeing boss for 4 sec because i'm out of CD

[red zinc]

We see 1 next week

wait nevermind

Week after that fosho!

[undone notch]

I don’t wanna say that Blizz doesn’t care at all because we did just get our most problematic move reworked this season

And that’s genuinely really good and fun

[red zinc]

not really

[torpid heath]

we ddidnt used it for season before that

[torpid fiber]

tbf old KS was REALLY bad

Old KS was an accessibility problem

[stiff vector]

I mean with how much they nerfed dimmy, im pretty sure youll see people logging dimmy as outlaw now...obv not many, but before you kind of legit needed to play sub for damage because outlaw was legit just too grief on the fight

[frail veldt]

SOOOOO BAD

[stiff vector]

but you can kind of get away with playing outlaw now prob

[red zinc]

turning something horrible into something substandard

[torpid fiber]

I think if this wasn't the case it doesn't get reworked

[red zinc]

hooray!

[frail veldt]

Yeah we're prob stuck with the current version for a while for that exact reason

[torpid fiber]

Current version is (as always with outlaw) like two changes away from being perfect

[undone notch]

I dont think it’s really substandard at all. It does a fair bit of damage and gives us high damage for bosses w damage amp windows and I think its genuinely good

[frigid turret]

technically bad because of end of pack situations but can i macro ghostly strike into anything since priority wise you send it off cd

[torpid fiber]

Main issue with the current one is the anti-funnel

[red zinc]

its substandard in the sense that they purposefully made it clunky for no reason

No funnel

[frail veldt]

Yep changes that we gave feedback on during the testing phase that they ignored for some reason

[red zinc]

Long cast timer

[stiff vector]

idk I mean I wouldnt say perfect, but it can certainly be a few changes away from being in a SIGNIFICANTLY better state, and the changes are incredibly easy/simple to implement.

[red zinc]

Fumbled ST by longer cd

[torpid fiber]

Long cast timer is kinda w/e for me

[frail veldt]

Same

[torpid fiber]

I know a lot of ppl dislike it but it doesn't actually bother me personally

[frail veldt]

Long cast time is a choice

And I can understand wanting y to be long

And I don't think that's even close to the main issue with it

[torpid heath]

Outlaw will probbaly always be bad since they just put more and more amp dmg and quick ads in each raids

[frail veldt]

The lack of funnel is so objectively shit

There's no value added by making it that way

None whatsoever

[torpid fiber]

The anti-funnel is the bigger issue imo

[stiff vector]

the random targeting of it is genuinely a huge ?????? like the fuck?

[torpid fiber]

It doesn't even need funnel just not anti-funnel

[frail veldt]

Frfr

[stiff vector]

like why would you ever, and when have they ever made a new talent/ability in modern wow where it legit says RANDOMLY TARGETS

literally never

[uncut echo]

What should we bind netherprism into?

[red zinc]

rogue dev fumbles layup changes harder than i fumble baddies

[frail veldt]

A hotkey

[stiff vector]

like its such a no-brainer, insanely simple thing to just....make an ability target something? Like how do you fuck that up so bad

[frail veldt]

Rogue can't macro trinkets really

[torpid fiber]

Can't really bind it

[uncut echo]

When should I aim to use it, on CD?

[torpid fiber]

Netherprism has a rule for minmaxing + why would you want to macro it, that defeats the whole point

[uncut echo]

I'm not familiar with it

[torpid fiber]

Use it before you're about to enter a coup'ed vanish window with 4 buffs

[uncut echo]

Thanks!

[fluid cobalt]

For Fatebound KIR we're supposed to Vanish at high CP. But if I have AR + GS off/coming off cd, should I instead BtE first before doing my Vanish + Macro?

[gaunt phoenix]

Yes

[buoyant cosmos]

We aren't alone lol, invites mage

[buoyant cosmos]

alt 3

[fair oak]

Ngl frost kinda cranks

It just does less st than arcane

Idk if it does less prio in packs glacial spike hits kinda hard and arcane doesnt play spellslinger anymore

[frail veldt]

why does it feel like with SoH + LD I get the weird bug where I dont lose buffs when I roll a lot?

[buoyant cosmos]

Im on a roll

[grave carbon]

im not at a level where arcane mages arent lobotomized in keys yet

[frail veldt]

@gaunt phoenix is there any way to track that happening?

[frail veldt]

level doesnt exist

[fair oak]

Yeah idk arcane is like enhance I think

Either a blaster

Or some fucking fool

A jester

[dawn talon]

it does

by a significant margin

[fair oak]

Unfortunate

[dawn talon]

frost prio is so fake

[indigo token]

FROST!!!!!!!!

frost mage is really fun

it's the only fun mage spec

[dawn talon]

frost is so boring dude what

like there's no way u can play the current state of frost

and not pass out

[fair oak]

Do you prefer missile blast blast

[dawn talon]

yes

[fair oak]

[indigo token]

i can actually understand what im doing

arcane is incomprehensible

[dawn talon]

i mean rly id rather be playing ff skb fire

[indigo token]

and fire mage sucks ass

[dawn talon]

but i mean ur saying this like frost hasn't bounced between

ice lance spam, flurry gs lance lance, and frostbolt spam

[fair oak]

Yeah frost is pretty simple as well

[dawn talon]

this entire expansion

[fair oak]

I think every spec is

Ot like

Most of them at least

[dawn talon]

ff skb fire is insanely hard to play optimally

[fair oak]

I've yet to play mage this season

[indigo token]

:wajaja: POOR

[dawn talon]

u can also optimise arcane a lot more than u can optimise frost

[fair oak]

Nothing matters until turbo boost so just playing stuff to see what feels nice honestly might gear up a mage next but also cba

[fair oak]

[indigo token]

🫵🏾 🐱

[indigo token]

turbo boost is weird

[frail veldt]

What is the weekly shit I should be doing for the rune cuz I am not getting much passive and I want just like a quick lil something to do every week for it

[indigo token]

I would enjoy it a lot more if you could transfer crests between alts

[fair oak]

Eh

Yeah

[mild vigil]

with the new rules should I roll once without loaded dice before pull?

[fair oak]

I think when a character reaches the crest achievement it should be able to transfer those crests at a penalty

Last season I had like 700 crests on 3 characters

With nothing to spend them on

[frail veldt]

as fatebound you dont have loaded dice before the pull

[stiff vector]

this is omega depressing cuh

been 1+ hr since last invite

[mild vigil]

you have it according to the opener, where you adr on pull

hence why I'm asking if it's worth to roll once before popping adr

[frail veldt]

as fatebound you adr from stealth with a cancelaura macro

so you rtb during your first crackshot

in the first gcd of it

not pre pull

[mild vigil]

yes

I understand

[frail veldt]

so whats the question?

[mild vigil]

do I roll once

before I do the opener

[frail veldt]

I thought you were asking if you rtb pre pull

[mild vigil]

during pre pull

[frail veldt]

no

you rtb after your adr

in your crackshot

[mild vigil]

okay

[frail veldt]

post pull

[mild vigil]

that is the answer I was looking for

thank you

[frail veldt]

yw

I was confused cuz you said you have LD pre pull

but you dont cuz you adr post pull

adr is your opening damage button along with gs

[mild vigil]

wording could've been better ig

[quaint mauve]

tell me abt it

[mild vigil]

sorry was rushing b/c I'm in raid atm

[radiant mural]

I swear I could press KIR during KS yesterday without it canceling the channel

[stiff vector]

update: after well over over an hr, ive finally been invited to a key...except its one I alreayd have timed (16 eco)

its just so joever man

[grim spear]

can we prog salhadaar as outlaw? or it's too bad to play?
@vivid vessel

[quick scaffold]

how to sim outlaw for m+

[stiff vector]

lok played nexus prince on outlaw

(it didnt go well as you could imagine)

[cinder relic]

Sub is one of the best DPs specs in the game on last 2

[stiff vector]

I mean sub is good for platform dmg, but that just got significant nerfs so

[random stirrup]

you can always do anything

[cinder relic]

Sub is still one of the best specs in the game on the fight

lol

[grim spear]

[eternal ore]

Cursed Stone Idol from vault Pog

[frail veldt]

sub is insanely good but it doesnt top the meters so people will feel like its "bad"

[quick scaffold]

Nightfall Curseblade's Cudgel what the highest level you can get and how

[frail veldt]

veteran

from the weekly quest "a flame burns eternal"

at the event in hallowfall

[eternal ore]

691 drop from weekly quest

[quick scaffold]

where is this weekly quest located at?

[torpid fiber]

the dude who has the weeklies at the nightfall event camp

[gaunt phoenix]

The Flame Burns Eternal

good luck. it's a random drop

[quick scaffold]

is a 665 worht it ?

[floral compass]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[grave carbon]

mastery weapon vs mastery weapon

[quick scaffold]

is a 665 Nightfall Curseblade's Cudgel worth it ?

[torpid fiber]

yes, max adventurer track is worth it

[quick scaffold]

is just a explorer. does it drop higher from the event ? if not from weekly

[torpid fiber]

It does not drop from the event

only from the vendor and the weekly

get the vendor one

If it's Explorer use that, I always forget adventurer vs Explorer order

[haughty moat]

myth Antenna and a 691 cudgel, sweet little morning

[grave carbon]

https://tenor.com/view/congrats-nice-happy-for-you-congrats-nice-happy-for-you-gif-1927193140186872022

[frail veldt]

umm I think the wa for tracking rolls is broken

I just did a roll while in town before a key with no LD

and it was a 5 roll

[eternal ore]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-congrats-kid-congratulations-nice-gif-11565253382391449339

[frail veldt]

and it put it in the LD category

[jovial dock]

91% AR uptime in a 13 eco dome solid ?

[bright crane]

seems pretty liquid

[buoyant cosmos]

I think I'm losing subt as of today too, I'll vanish and not get anything.

BTE will just go back on CD

found it

[cinder haven]

!stealthbugs

[ornate heath]

• Breaking Vanish with a trinket will not grant Subterfuge.
• Recasting Stealth while Subterfuge is already active will not grant you UHUH or Crackshot bonuses until Subterfuge expires. (fixed as of 11.1)
• Casting Vanish at the same frame that a previous Subterfuge ends will cause Crackshot to not activate.
• After breaking Stealth, there is about a 100ms delay before the effects of Subterfuge happen. You will thus lose about 100ms of adr

[buoyant cosmos]

Haven't had it happen in the months I've been back

but it looks like it was prism

forgot about all of these

ty

[cinder haven]

Yeah was gonna say it’s usually the trinket one

[buoyant cosmos]

trolling myself

[cinder haven]

It makes sense to trinket there though, this bug shouldn’t exist

[wintry solar]

Damn

[buoyant cosmos]

I just wanted to blast brother

[wintry solar]

Oh the trinket

[buoyant cosmos]

yeah I forgot about this bug

I think it's been around since at least DF

[cinder haven]

It’s good to align prism with vanish on FB

Just gotta press manually before

[buoyant cosmos]

yeah I have it bound to it's own key

[stiff vector]

time to start preparing the hunter I guess after being perma declined all night

any1 know best way to start gearing an alt

if im still in like s1 gear

[buoyant cosmos]

you can make 675 gear with weathered crests

40 or something for a gear token that doesn't need a spark

[cinder relic]

Delves give hero track gear

[stiff vector]

o ye that is true

[cinder relic]

With the maps

[buoyant cosmos]

Can do delves then fill in the gaps

[cinder relic]

Can get champ gear which is 704

With coffer keys

Craft everything ofc

[stiff vector]

Ye I guess just use weathered crafts+delves to get decent base to run normal/heroic with and keys

[buoyant cosmos]

16/17s?

[cinder haven]

Won’t you die from boredom if you play BM after outlaw?

[buoyant cosmos]

real

[stiff vector]

ye

[cinder haven]

It’s 3 button spec?

[buoyant cosmos]

"so much"

[stiff vector]

its better than dying to boredom of sitting around for 1+hr in between invites I guess

[buoyant cosmos]

DF season 3 throwback

[cinder haven]

Fair

[buoyant cosmos]

FDK is kinda fun

are you trying to get out of melee?

[cinder haven]

Cat seems like an option too

[stiff vector]

I mean if the spec cant even get inv to phys groups anymore because hunter is OP

what even is the point

without phys comp the spec goes from mostly dead, to completely dead unless you just have a dedicated 5 stack to play phys with

[cinder haven]

Play phys comp, route for outlaw, still last on damage

[stiff vector]

and the problem is, its not exactly easy to find specifically a phys team to play with because good brew+ferals are rare and there just isnt that many of them at high io that arent alrdy playing with teams

[frigid turret]

i feel so bad picking trinkets from vault with upcoming dinars :(

[cinder haven]

Yeah so learn feral or brm

[wintry solar]

Play unholy and convince them all your dmg is from your pets

[stiff vector]

I dont have a druid leveled, its actually one of the only classes I havent really played on retail, can gear my hunter relatively quickly tho

and I mean I have a warr, but theres a million warrs out there idk might gear it as a 2nd alt at some point

[cinder haven]

Yeah there’s a lot of warriors indeed

I wonder if tanking is fun this season

[wintry solar]

Yeah

To me

Bdk and prot warr

[brisk harbor]

You guys know why some rogues have that weapon

[wintry solar]

Yeah

[cinder haven]

It’s good with vanish resets

[wintry solar]

Oh you wanted an answer.

[stiff vector]

o fuck me I think I gotta go tame some more pets to play BM I only have 1 because I mainly played surv on this guy

[cinder haven]

We also weapon swap on bosses to whatever normal offhand you have

[buoyant cosmos]

most of them are brain dead though

[buoyant cosmos]

"prot war is like playing the piano" according to a friend

[radiant mural]

Can anyone confirm if KIR now stops KS channel for them?

[buoyant cosmos]

it does

I think you can only use defensives?

and hook

[radiant mural]

I was pressing it all last week without it stopping the channel

[buoyant cosmos]

got it

stealth bug fix maybe

[torpid fiber]

Did you macro anything into kir?

[frail veldt]

Always has yeah

At least mine does haha

[cobalt sail]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[buoyant cosmos]

Are there rules for prism anywhere? I saw to use it right before/after RTB after a KIR into vanish

Or is it just right after a KiR regardless of vanish

[left lily]

Maybe shut down outlaw discord to get buffs

[buoyant cosmos]

kinda cringe

[cobalt sail]

Maybe we should all go to Turtle WoW, make a rogue and take screenshot. That's where we belong

[rotund zodiac]

what is turtle wow

[buoyant cosmos]

They dared to be different and blizzard made turtle soup

[torpid fiber]

Last time I checked the rule is "do it right before a vanish with double coup flawless form stacks set up with KIRed buffs"

[cobalt sail]

They made a better version of Classic with an improved story. Blizzard sued them

[buoyant cosmos]

I think the unreal port was one of the cooler parts of the project

[torpid fiber]

They also had a ton of microtransactions and advertising

[buoyant cosmos]

unreal optimization aside

[cobalt sail]

Yep, on twitch

[buoyant cosmos]

didn't know about the first part of that

[jolly geyser]

Didnt they kinda taunt blizz anyway

[buoyant cosmos]

yeah

[torpid fiber]

Yeah they were stupid as fuck

[buoyant cosmos]

they had an ex blizz dev do voice overs and shit talk about "The old ways"

[buoyant cosmos]

Alright so I'm close enough

I've been liking using it a lot

[torpid fiber]

Netherprism feels amazing

[cobalt sail]

Well, Blizzard is not really making efforts to make the game enjoyable for new players

[buoyant cosmos]

Im not gonna say they don't need new blood, but with the addicts and whales I doubt they'll ever lose money

[cobalt sail]

And, I noticed so many buildings with structures badly put, it's kinda cringe. You got a brasero with a wall on it on every high structure of Tazavesh

[buoyant cosmos]

I think they're just pushing out everything that was already green lit

to get to whatever paradigm shift they want to achieve after the last titan

[cinder haven]

For FB or trickster?

[buoyant cosmos]

M+ trickster

I guess that's like saying atm machine

[cinder haven]

Wait until you have good buffs

Like 4+

[dawn talon]

they secretly gave money to political organisations, implemented microtransactions, and were run by a notorious scammer and got sued*

[cinder haven]

Probably best to send between coup and vanish

[buoyant cosmos]

I seem to almost always have a vanish ready for it after a kir so I've just been using it there w/ the supercharged BTE

[frail veldt]

Yeah they were also doing dumb shit like sponsoring players to play it and other monetization methods

[cinder haven]

I like to delay the kir extra rtb roll until just after double coup

[frail veldt]

and to be frank, profiting off of someone elses IP regardless of whether your improvements were good is an insane thing to even think you could get away with

objectively stupid

[cinder haven]

I would prism there if i had

[frail veldt]

but yeah I heard the servers were sick though lol

[dawn talon]

blizz is VERY loose with their IP rights, to be fiar

[buoyant cosmos]

Nostrallius? did that til they got hired to help make classic iirc

[frail veldt]

I meaaaaan are they?

[haughty wigeon]

addon on this

[buoyant cosmos]

I'll keep that in mind

[haughty wigeon]

blizzard doesnt usually care about private servers or anything btw

[dawn talon]

krafton shut down tera private servers with like 100 players for several years after tera shut down

compared to that, yes, they absolutely are

[haughty wigeon]

turtle wow shot itself in its own foot cause they kept on responding to every comment in blizzard tweets with a sign saying "haha we're betetr than you and we re using your shit"

[buoyant cosmos]

Tera was so goated for those first six months - a year of NA launch

[haughty wigeon]

which means

[dawn talon]

tera was killed by its community more than krafton honestly

[frail veldt]

Tobfon I have no idea when Im supposed to roll with SoH + LD lol Ive just been kinda vibe rolling and pretty much rolling whenever my will_lose is 3 if I have LD or 2 if I have no LD or I have a bunch of over container buffs

[stiff vector]

o shit having almost max rep with all the reps is actually coming in kind of clutch, so many free weathered crests and valorstones for my alt

[haughty wigeon]

i dont feel bad about turtlewow, cause they were 100% asking for it by poking the bear

[frail veldt]

I tried reading the tc chat and I cant get an idea of what the hell is the core of it

[buoyant cosmos]

I couldn't find a good guild on the realm I was on, so I think that's why I stopped playing, lines up with the community

[frail veldt]

but regardless SoH + LD feels amazing rofl

just plays better

[haughty wigeon]

a bear that doesnt care much about private servers or mods unless your being very public about it

[dawn talon]

new players would get creeped out by the uh... interesting... behaviour from the community

so all the established guilds had high player retention bc you couldn't go anywhere else

[wintry solar]

I play ascension during times like these where outlaw kinda blows

[dawn talon]

and that meant no new guilds formed

and the game withered

[buoyant cosmos]

Could you run uncontested to keep your guild in charge of a zone too?

[dawn talon]

eh ill just say it tera had a really, really big child grooming problem and people were not subtle about it

and if you thought it was weird they would bully you off the realm

[buoyant cosmos]

I'm glad I never noticed that tbh

[dawn talon]

it was insane

[buoyant cosmos]

I just had fun playing it

[haughty wigeon]

does the pin imply

[buoyant cosmos]

Makes me sad to hear that

[haughty wigeon]

that we just roll rtb unless we have more than 3 buffs?

[buoyant cosmos]

with loaded dice ready

KMMO combat can be so cool

but the people who play it tend to just be awful

[mellow nimbus]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[manic light]

hello, can someone explain how to actually use the cudgel, do you have it equipped at all times and the switch back to dagger offhand for bossess?

[wintry solar]

Yes

Offhand

[manic light]

so there is nothing more to it? just have it equiped and then change with a macro?

[buoyant cosmos]

yup

[stiff vector]

say hello to the new targetcapped
Pros: -big strong man that can hit as many mobs as he wants
-fast as fuk cuh
-longish arms?
-does more damage than 2x outlaw rogues by himself(fed him steroids)
-only requires 2 braincells and a few keybinds to make him blast
cons:
-????

[buoyant cosmos]

Squishy af

[stiff vector]

[buoyant cosmos]

you're gonna fold like a paper bag

[stiff vector]

nah hunter pretty tanky now, esp if youre playing DR(which I guess you might in like streets/eco/dawn?)

plus ive played shaman for a long time and learned to live on that class, and that class is actually made of paper

[lime lake]

i'd be surprised if you play dr in any key

[buoyant cosmos]

DR is better than packleader for living

[lime lake]

maybe though

[buoyant cosmos]

real

[stiff vector]

the hunter I Was playing with earlier was actually playing DR in 16 eco and I mean, when we bricked key a little before last area he was slightly ahead of me at like 9.5m overall so it seems like it might have potential in the keys with lower target count?

[haughty wigeon]

add tank pet

and your not squishy anymore

like free stam and extra defensive is huge if you dont need hero

[stiff vector]

well one of them is ferocity, one of them is tenacity

[haughty wigeon]

dont need hero, grab tank pet ez

[stiff vector]

I just have ferocity out because im just doing world quests and shit

[haughty wigeon]

why tho?

leech doesnt work for bm kek

[stiff vector]

o

[frail veldt]

can someone explain this?

how does arcane just do poop damage to big momma?

[fluid meadow]

i just met with 2 different arc mage type 1st is bad 2nd is worse

[fathom whale]

can someone explain to me why tf my rtb uptime is only 51%? i had buffs rolling the entire dungeon. am i looking at this wrong.

[haughty wigeon]

pet gets healed

[strong flicker]

yooooooo

[stiff vector]

nah usually arcanes Ive played with are for sure ahead of me in boss dmg, definitely not that far behind. Even with good rng+warr+shaman buff mage was usually like at 1.2b if I was at 1b boss dmg

that guy must be ultra microwaved or something

[frail veldt]

yeah he only landed 7.5 overall so maybe he just scuffed up that fight or something

he didnt seem bad

but the results on big momma were sus

also I figured dk would gap me on boss damage too

[stiff vector]

Idk I mean, especially if you lust that boss, DK should def be ahead but you never know with DK because there are so many fotm DKs and its pretty free to get IO on

[frail veldt]

well he did 9.5 mil overall so he seemed to be doing fine

maybe I just giga high rolled that boss

[cinder relic]

Wait until you get the tier set

You think rogue has it bad with stupid bullshit that never gets fixed

Wait until you play packleader

[lime lake]

idk i like double stampede

gives you something to at least kinda think about

[cinder relic]

Idk the name of it, but the part where you have to "aim" your stampedes and the fact that you cant beast cleaveo n ramps

[lime lake]

oh yeah the actual aiming of stampede is a bit silly

[frail veldt]

I thought bm plays dark ranger now?

[lime lake]

and tanks cant see if so pug tanks are 100% guaranteed to move out of it immediately

[frail veldt]

yeah those things are super weird

[lime lake]

not in keys

[frail veldt]

its like a line aoe

like a line rain of chaos

7 seconds or something

spanning between you and your target when it triggers

good thing bm literally never has to stand still so it can be in perfect positioning 24/7

am I giga lucky or what

[vivid vessel]

3.9

[wicked obsidian]

🤷‍♂️

[rotund token]

Got the worst vault ever. Mythic seaforioum worth it over socket ? I have hero warclaw and sigil atm. Wont have enough crests to update it fully anyway.

[frail veldt]

yeah but I hardly plain roll

10.3% with LD is kinda spicy

why does LD 5 roll so much more

that aint right is it?

[cinder relic]

You dont know bad vualts

[wintry solar]

Don't listen to Guy, he pays off blizz to give him good vaults.

[vivid vessel]

It doesn't lol

It's just rng

You have 100 rolls

You realize how high the variance is

[livid pewter]

is slight of hand somehow impacting cto procs? i get so fkin much 5/6 kir usages like i never did before, or was it just a good lucky day

[night dragon]

200k for champion sigil (i dont raid mythic) - yay or nay?

[zenith egret]

Bought it for 50k yesterday in NM as I was tired of not having it and only had shitty trinkets since

If you don't mind about gold put what you want but well..

[night dragon]

he didnt take for 100k lol greedy fucker

[heavy shadow]

200k for a nm trinket seems a lot tbh. you can get m+ trinkets that will replace that if you're doing ones with hc track loot

[night dragon]

ye I have claw and edict atm hero track - but want the raid trinkets of course. I have seaforium myth track sitting in vault. But was of course hoping for the bis trinkets from raid before i took it.....

[heavy shadow]

Guess it depends how much 200k is to you 😛

[night dragon]

a big chunk, so prob wont take it for 200k - thanks tho for the guidance ❤️

[heavy shadow]

I mean you will always be aiming to replace it with hc version too

[night dragon]

true

[haughty wigeon]

holy shit

i cant copy pasta this cause its 2k more words that discord allows

[vivid vessel]

Noob

[frail veldt]

tru

another thing

WHY DOESN INKY BLACK POTION WORK IN PRIORY

my eyes

hurt

so bad

[cinder relic]

#subtlety message i wish

[wintry solar]

It's a cover-up

You're just smart

[mighty pivot]

you would know wouldn't you

[wintry solar]

I would

I give him the vaults

As a blizz dev

Rogue specifically

I give him rogue vaults

If you're nice I'll give you a good vault

[frail veldt]

200k is 20$ on my server

actually more like 16$

[wintry solar]

Suspiciously accurate

[frail veldt]

couldnt imagine paying that for a normal trinket

[frail veldt]

you never bought a token? lol

[wintry solar]

My 2 milly is all natural baby

[rotund token]

oh trust me man, I know it. Dont think anyone in here has missed out on bad vaults lol.

[wintry solar]

If I only have 1,943,264 gold, then I really only have 3,264 gold.

[cinder relic]

My account is bugged is the issue

[wintry solar]

See what I mean

[cinder relic]

It's bugged to always give me bad vaults

[wintry solar]

Your payment didn't process in time

[vivid vessel]

Bro actually getting skill issued is crazy

[normal forge]

is sac brood still good choice?

[vivid vessel]

What's your illvl lil bro

[normal forge]

mine? 711

[cinder relic]

714

[uncut stratus]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[uncut stratus]

rtb kir buffs tracker greatest WA ever created btw

[torpid fiber]

i gotta set that up sometime

honestly i think the ub tracker might be more hype though

[uncut stratus]

its plug n play

just do it

[torpid fiber]

i use modified luxthos was so i'll just have to see if replacing directly causes issues

[mighty pivot]

well my vault was poopoo so this is more like blackmailing

[wintry solar]

Should've paid me before you opened it

[uncut stratus]

whats more painful? vault with nothing good in it, or vault with 2-3 super bis things and you can only pick 1

personally i think the latter is more painful

[mighty pivot]

the one that has at least one bis thing

[uncut stratus]

vault with one bis thing is the best

[mighty pivot]

even if it has more, you still get something out of it. You just throw that shit in a sim and choose

[deep sand]

does the rank 6 raid buff affect our enchant choice?

[twilit rivet]

damn the new tier set feels awefull

[fair oak]

this is CANCER btw

in ecodome if you kc a mob that jumps away

your whole thing just goes to shit

[daring yoke]

why havent we tried closing the class discord rather than this wall of text 😭
https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/1nd61kz/an_open_letter_to_world_of_warcraft_class/

[torpid fiber]

the OP in a comment said they suggested closing the class discord and whispyr called them a monkey apparently

[fallen mural]

damn good suggestion though 😛

[muted tangle]

Sometimes, you're unlucky with the Weekly Chest.
Sometimes, you're too lucky and can't decide xD

[wintry solar]

It's not

[fallen mural]

Haha you'll miss the conversations for only one day?

[wintry solar]

I sensed it

I'm actually at work rn and I felt "closing discord" and "good idea" so I had to check.

[cinder relic]

That reddit post is so wrong in so many ways

[solemn drift]

People like that make others look at us like we look at rets

[coral onyx]

do you guys macro KiR with RtB?

[magic shuttle]

No

[frail veldt]

Its honestly kinda sad people think that ret closing their disc was the reason they got buffs

[haughty wigeon]

its dumb

but w/e

the wow community isnt the smartest community

[frail veldt]

its practically like stapling a sign on your forehead calling yourself a moron

[magic shuttle]

It was a fun little stunt tho

Glad they did it

[frail veldt]

I think it sure solidified what everyone already thought about ret players

[mighty pivot]

[magic shuttle]

I love my ret pala bros, they give me blessings all the time

[wintry solar]

You play with rets that have them bound?

[magic shuttle]

Hell yeah

[haughty wigeon]

ive made my stance about it very clear to people

i still think it would have been better to just straight up @ everyone

and not beat around the bush

[leaden folio]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1413242281515024545/image.gif

[wintry solar]

Did you just try to @ everyone

[haughty wigeon]

You get a week time out in ret land

So no

[wintry solar]

I meant here

Someone pinged someone and was insta deleted

[frail veldt]

also random side question, how do I remove the "new member" role lol I feel like ive been here a lil while now

[mighty pivot]

you are stuck with it forever

[wintry solar]

Yeah, still new

[mighty pivot]

look at popo, he's here day and night and still new

[wintry solar]

Day and night

[magic shuttle]

24/7

[wintry solar]

The lonely loner seems to free his mind at night

[haughty wigeon]

Based

[wintry solar]

I'm asleep during the day

[frail veldt]

maybe at the 100k mark I can get it removed

[wintry solar]

Padding

Messages

Rn

[magic shuttle]

One word per message is the way

[mighty pivot]

because you're a bat? you still dream of ravenholdt though

[wintry solar]

Yeah

I'm a filthy job haver

[mighty pivot]

one word messages and one emoji spam (not that anyone would do that )

[coral onyx]

😂

[wintry solar]

@proven ocean you wouldn't do that would you?

You're such an upstanding person

He's tycooning oil rn

He'll respond later.

[wintry solar]

Gotta get the r1 parses somehow

[worldly shale]

oh well

[unborn haven]

is DS a viable sim for outlaws for m+?

[magic shuttle]

Yes

[night dragon]

I have sigil and claw hero track, would you guys take seaforium? Otherwise I take Signet of Collapsing Stars and change for my hero track one

[vivid vessel]

Bro I just had a crazy idea

I was debating crafting wrists now that I got mythic wrists and the catalyst wrists are good

But you can just craft hands whatdeheck

So you get the cool raid neck

The cool raid ring

[mighty pivot]

[vivid vessel]

[mighty pivot]

cool raid ring being the rng one I guess

[cinder haven]

Neck is good too

[arctic hollow]

Alright i ate all mu luck for the patch

how to I even chose NotLikeThis

[mighty pivot]

you ask the robot

[spare dome]

Man im reading the replies on that reddit post

good content

[torpid fiber]

????? Insane comment

[arctic hollow]

[spare dome]

also the guy said something about elitism in this discord

idk about other channels

but outlaw is pretty chill ig

[hollow creek]

What do you ppl prefer sigil and cursed idol or sigil and warpclaw for high keys , sigil 710, warp710 , cursed mythtrack

[spare dome]

and everytime someone new asks the question which was answered 100x times people still help them

[merry harness]

Maybe he asked a sim ur self question

idk

[vivid vessel]

Ye full vers

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel

decent ish ilvl

i think i'll craft ring this ewek

week

[vivid vessel]

714??

Bro imma be 716 this week cuh

You afk or what

[torpid fiber]

I think if ppl come in at the wrong time there can be issues tbf

[proven ocean]

dont make me sink 7m rn and surpass u bozo

besides i still have crests laying around abit

[torpid fiber]

(Like I try to help ppl out but there's only so much I can do, especially bc functionally I just regurgitate the FAQ but only the relevant parts to the question)

[quaint mauve]

bro

[quaint mauve]

im 712

wtf

[normal forge]

depends, are u running mythic raid back to back?

[quaint mauve]

back to back no

:p

[vivid vessel]

Ok you can't do that tho

Cause I will also buy the boes

The belt is litteraly free

[cinder haven]

the late UB double procs are getting on my nerves

[vivid vessel]

Worse thing you can get the ring over me

[cinder haven]

idk how many times I've vanished only to see coup become available

[vivid vessel]

I know tob

I know

[normal forge]

welcome to my life

[vivid vessel]

[fallen mural]

me too, we fell behind

[cinder haven]

can we figure out a rule that avoids this issue?

probably not

[fallen mural]

use the unseen rule

[cinder haven]

you mean predict the unpredictable?

see the unseen?

[vivid vessel]

Ye hold GCD and lose dps

[torpid fiber]

The sim probably can't even account for it

[fallen mural]

When in doubt, a blade is unseen, unused, and underutilized.

[cinder haven]

I'm sure the sim procs insta

[torpid fiber]

yeah that's my assumption

[cinder haven]

tricking us into some fake rule

[quaint mauve]

yeah it’s over

undergeared

underpowered

[torpid fiber]

wonder what the dps loss is if we assume it's always delayed a gcd

[quaint mauve]

under everything

[proven ocean]

yes i can

noob

[cinder haven]

I can try to change every escalating_blade.stack with .react in the apl maybe

doubt it'll make any difference though

[torpid fiber]

oh that's fair I was assuming we'd have to mod simc lol

[cinder haven]

it'll only make a diff if the proc is actually delayed in sims

which it probably isnt

[torpid fiber]

Yeah I suspect it isn't

Would have to fork simc to test that probs

[cinder haven]

but I can maybe add some wait condition

like if you are at 2 or more EB and would vanish and prev gcd was SS, wait for 500ms or something

idk if 500ms is enough even, feels like it's delayed more than that fairly often

[torpid fiber]

imo any rule that relies on delaying gcds is cringe

[mighty pivot]

double UB proc seems to be 200-250ms apart

[cinder haven]

sometimes

pretty sure they are sometimes also like more than a gcd apart for some reason

[torpid fiber]

It's probably like a low prio thing for the server to process

[mighty pivot]

if it's the case that extra SS hits can proc UB too, then that increases by 300ms sometimes

[cinder haven]

maybe

that would kinda explain the inconsistency

[normal forge]

pressing coup feel clunky, slugish

[torpid fiber]

it's bc of the longer gcd and the delayed noise

[normal forge]

would be better if felt like crackshot procs

[torpid fiber]

The sound would be good if it started instantly imo

[quiet root]

for the longest time i didn't realize coup incurred a full second of gcd and that's the reason why it feels so weird

[cinder haven]

the fact that you also jsut waste EB stacks if you get a proc at 3 EB is a nice touch

[forest ember]

With Antenna am I face fking the orbs as soon as they spawn or is it fine to let them cook?? I assume the buff timer starts when you grab it not when it spawns

[vivid vessel]

I'm 716 before spending any crests buddy

Don't test me

[mighty pivot]

there are 2 buffs, one is 20s buff when it spawns indicating that an orb exists, if it expires you lose it. The other one is the 10s crit buff once you eat the orb

you can delay picking it up if you know you will make better use of it in the next few seconds but it won't change that much

[proven ocean]

proof

or 100% fake

[vivid vessel]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/aa7chGjjsFvmpXLreRNPYK

[proven ocean]

says ur 46 ilvls behind buddy

[vivid vessel]

[proven ocean]

ye but this is fake

just a sim

[vivid vessel]

itsn ot

[proven ocean]

wheres ur ingame charecter

[vivid vessel]

im not home

thats my thing tho

[proven ocean]

doo u have the ring equipped

rn

[vivid vessel]

i got dimmy wrists

[proven ocean]

the 720

one

[vivid vessel]

no

[proven ocean]

then thats fake

cuz

i didnt craft yet too

[vivid vessel]

no but

[mighty pivot]

why is lil bro only wearing one ring

[vivid vessel]

its a old ring

[proven ocean]

no but's zac

u said without spending crests

[vivid vessel]

I just sent it to recraft lol

[vivid vessel]

Well this week

[proven ocean]

[vivid vessel]

Like the new 90 ones

What you holding bruh

300 gildeds or what

[proven ocean]

no

[vivid vessel]

💀

[proven ocean]

well

[mighty pivot]

that's some next level sandbagging to empty entire gear slots

[vivid vessel]

Thanks bro

[proven ocean]

zac our luck was kinda dogshit ngl

[vivid vessel]

So that's just 115

[mighty pivot]

now they have no choice but to buff outlaw

[vivid vessel]

15 more than me

[proven ocean]

ye

[vivid vessel]

But ye

Not fake ross

I'm 716 before spending this week gilded

[proven ocean]

im gonna buy

and zac

we never got tier leg

and 2 trinkets

never dropped

and weapon

never dropped

[vivid vessel]

I'm gonna buy belt as well tho

And ring

[proven ocean]

ring not this week

wait 2-3 more

its still expensive

[vivid vessel]

Yes

I can't upgrade a ring yet anyway

Will wait till I don't have anymore slots I can spend on

Then I buy

[spare dome]

champion dagger

[proven ocean]

im gonna buy avoidance ring and belt

[vivid vessel]

For now I need to upgrade shoulders, wrist, get the raid neck, craft hands

And upgrade the boe belt

Cause that one is free imma just buy it now

[proven ocean]

zac

[vivid vessel]

This week

[proven ocean]

i have 9% avoidance on my assa rn

without buying belt and ring avoidance

thoughts?

[vivid vessel]

What the helly

[forest ember]

Sweet thanks, I remember there was a trinket a few season ago which would spawn 3 orbs and you would try to get them all to hit at once, I guess this is just a bit easier

[proven ocean]

ye once i have this crazy avoidance

i'll need 1-2 leech items

then im giga set

[mighty pivot]

leech discussion

[proven ocean]

well

leech is useless

because ur highest prio to be full hp in M+ anyway

and u already have 7%

or someshit on assa

and u always die to avoidance dmg

[mighty pivot]

the sim is working overtime to show me a +8 dps upgrade

[wintry solar]

Raidbot wants to know why you're playing outlaw

[mighty pivot]

it was a sub sim

[wintry solar]

I forgive you this time

[mighty pivot]

why this time

[wintry solar]

Why not?

[mighty pivot]

I mean what's special about this time

[wintry solar]

Good mood

[mighty pivot]

I can fix that

[wintry solar]

Probably

Why would you be mean to popo?

[mighty pivot]

popo is my frustration outlet for outlaw's woes

[wintry solar]

Why?

[mighty pivot]

because you are secretly one of the rogue devs

and therefore complicit

[wintry solar]

You could be my outlet for outlaws woes

[mighty pivot]

I mean it is clear that the spec is the punching bag of devs

would it fare better if instead of outlaw it was "lawful gunman"? we'll never know

[light kernel]

in raid with fatebound do u ar and then rtb or other way?

with new pin

on pull

[proven ocean]

@cinder relic yo how many rep did side quests give u in karesh?

[junior coral]

Have you guys ever seen a time when a dev for a class is actually involved in the class discord in any way?

[vivid vessel]

@proven ocean

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kXGW36HYhc3pKheLysczZt

Me this week

[proven ocean]

fake

[vivid vessel]

After I spend 90 gilded

Nope

[proven ocean]

screenshot me ur char ingame 718

[worldly shale]

bro i love running raid

[proven ocean]

then i'll believe you bozo

[worldly shale]

with alts

[vivid vessel]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5iF4hBHZD2uRgBAo1ZF3dC

Look that's the top gear

[proven ocean]

zac...

[vivid vessel]

What

[proven ocean]

once ur 718...

then show..

[vivid vessel]

Ok tonight

After I farm the gilded

In keys

But that's literally my live char from raider io tho

[daring oxide]

jesus zac

what did u get in vault btw?

[vivid vessel]

Using 90 gilded from this week

[vivid vessel]

Just 717 shoulders

[proven ocean]

zac i think

i might be 715 this week

[vivid vessel]

I already had mythic shoulders 710 tho

But eh

That's +30 gilded for free

Can't really complain that much

Whatever

Only 3 ilvl behind the goat

Gg cuh

[proven ocean]

whever designed this WQ is the reason why wow sucks

som,e of those creepers are fucking bugged and u cant even fire spray them and each one is exactly +1 second above it's duration apart of each other

[vivid vessel]

Yep

I'm finally renown 18 this week

Just doing the weekly

Finally

Or is it 19

Idk the rune thing

[proven ocean]

how much do side quests give

zac

total

[fading vine]

Hello guys does it matter what weapons they use in the selected slot?

[vivid vessel]

Who knows

Not me

[proven ocean]

but u know everything..

i love sub in world quests

u either 1 shot the 30m hp mob or the 3m hp mob dies after 20 seconds

great design

[daring oxide]

@vivid vessel you changing your weapon enchants btw?

for the aether buff

[vivid vessel]

Idk

I will sim

Now that prog is over I'm just gearing for m+

[stable pivot]

Weird question, if outlaw gets a rework for midnight, do you think blizzard will kill the apm requirements/make the spec a lot easier to play?

[worldly shale]

easier to play≠lower apm

[stable pivot]

No no that's not what I'm saying

Definitely doesn't

I just mean either or

[worldly shale]

they will just lower the brain requirements since they wanna kill WA

like dumbing down rtb

which i dont see as a bad thing tbh

[wintry solar]

Easier to play yeah. Gonna make some sacrifices going into Midnight but there's no telling what they're doing.

[worldly shale]

whens beta usually?

i forgor how it was

for df to tww

[sweet iron]

I think every rework they do is in some way to make it more appropriate for a wider audience so yeah easier

[mighty pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/sacrifice-evil-bosses-shrek-lord-farquaad-some-of-you-may-die-gif-16648565

[wintry solar]

Fr

Just don't delete rtb

Everything else can die in a hole

[worldly shale]

i liked what they did to dk tbh

frost dk

feels way nicer

but i think we are getting

a bigger one XD

[stable pivot]

I'm praying they don't steer away from flat profile but considering blizz seems to be getting rid of uptime/flat specs could be going that way

[wintry solar]

I don't see how they're doing that tbh

Unless I'm missing something

[sweet iron]

Same, fdk is super fun atm even tho it's quite simple

Easy isn't bad

[stable pivot]

Not necessarily, I do enjoy how hard outlaw is though

[worldly shale]

id like outlaw to stay kinda hard, i dont wanna play fury warr

but like, reasonable

u know

[cedar kernel]

[wintry solar]

No way we're going combat level of easy

[wintry solar]

[worldly shale]

bac is........bac

[cedar kernel]

i am not completely bac

this season is so cringe

babe

[worldly shale]

ikr

[cedar kernel]

[worldly shale]

im just doing weekly 12s atp

and raid with sub

[cedar kernel]

i am rising my hunter

for this season

to push more

or higher

[worldly shale]

yup im on dk and dh

XD

think ill go dh

fun af

[cedar kernel]

the tuning broke my heart

[wintry solar]

I'd like it to stay somewhat hard but I'd also not like to get giga-fucked by downtime

That can be toned down for sure

More reactivity, less downtime fuckiness

[vivid vessel]

There is so many things you can do to reduce barrier to entry of outlaw

Without impacting us

Like buffing energy for example

Spec becomes so much more easier to play for new players if you have infinite energy

Nuke all the trickster bullshit so it's truly passive instead

Cause that's another layer of complexity no one enjoy

Litteraly no one

Nuking 1 fth

[grim spear]

adr should be passive

[vivid vessel]

Even nuking the actual rtb button and making rtb rely on CTO only simplify it a lot for newcomers and no one here would care

[wintry solar]

A toggle?

[grim spear]

no toggle

just passive

[vivid vessel]

Eh

The button is fun thon

Fill cp and shit

And it's fine as a Skill check

Higher uptime is better playerb

[wintry solar]

I don't think the button itself is the problem

Yeah

[vivid vessel]

I don't mind that part if energy is fixed

[grim spear]

just full cp and shit, no energy regen

energy part be passive

[vivid vessel]

Well the energy should come from the spec itself like it did before

[wintry solar]

They could've given us this rework without nuking energy

Idk if I've ever seen a more catastrophic decision from blizz on this spec

[grim spear]

rn, it’s basically like you’re endlessly maintaining a fdk breath

[mighty pivot]

rtb buff stay/overwrite logic is insanity rn they need to fix that

[grim spear]

you’re expected to keep it up to 95% uptime, which is just absurd

[stable pivot]

Yeah 100% agree on everything Zac said tbf, I do think uptime should matter a lot though

But that does suck for raid so 😬

[grim spear]

uptime is dogshit game play

[stable pivot]

Uptime is my favourite

But I know I'm in the minority

[wintry solar]

Bro likes fights like dimmy

[grim spear]

uptime is a punitive rather than rewarding type of gameplay

[stable pivot]

I don't like raid at all 😁

[grim spear]

in keys it sucks too

[proper bear]

Uptime and CDR made the need for the new tricks bc it’s so degen that you need to shift threat off

And for raid bosses you’ll just get to some that are absolute brutally awful fights like dimensius

[stable pivot]

As I said, I know I'm in the minority but I like eeking out more uptime for more dps, playing riskier and keeping pace up

Agree its too punishing atm though

[wintry solar]

Opinions can be wrong

[proper bear]

You can do it in keys bc tricks is the meta, and you’re triggering every tank that doesn’t know you’re shifting threat bc the gameplay is so degen

[grim spear]

In fact, the overall pace of WoW has already become a bit overwhelming

Most games only require you to make the right move at the right time

but WoW demands that you make the right move every single GCD

outlaw goes even further

which is absurd

[proper bear]

A lot of classes make that dog simple tho like DH

[stable pivot]

What would be the solution to the uptime problem?

[proper bear]

Just make ADR give cps like Zac was saying

Shift the rest to passive

[wintry solar]

Adr pausing after not attacking for so many seconds

[grim spear]

The simplest solution: make ADR just a damage buff

with the energy part being permanent

[wintry solar]

Youre just asking for an energy buff

[stable pivot]

Yeah just buff energy regen tbf

[quiet root]

i like outlaw's pace, it's the main reason i play the spec

[grim spear]

pace is pace

the problem is you stop you lose the pace

[worldly shale]

ye i love the pace

when i

do

5 sinister strikes

in a row

its a good pace

i feel so good

[grim spear]

For most classes, stopping is a chance to pool resources and let cooldowns come back

for us, it’s a disastrous nightmare, and that’s the problem.

[worldly shale]

i wouldnt like us to switch to a cd based class

thats not outlaw imo

[grim spear]

stopping meanings ADR gone, pace gone

[worldly shale]

yup

[grim spear]

at least let us keep the pace

[quiet root]

in most keys there's few moments where you need to stop, and in some of those cases you can at least vanish to keep adr

raid, i don't talk about raid 🙂

[stable pivot]

There's way too much of a punishment for stopping, but I don't like the idea of having to stop at all, I want to be able to feel that pace 100% of the time with good play

[grim spear]

really?.. streets, vortex, workshop...

[wintry solar]

That's not an impossible feat

Dawn

[stable pivot]

Oh and bin KS

[hasty warren]

hi pirates

[wintry solar]

[hasty warren]

[worldly shale]

[quiet root]

i dislike streets as much as the next outlaw but it's nothing crazy. menagerie annoying but at least you can evasion the cyclone, music you can vanish during intermission, postmaster make everyone else throw packages 🙂 , soazmi can be fine if you play well