yeah as in the gap has grown by 3%
#outlaw
frail veldt
covert kestrel
i thought enhance was deadge lmao
glass mortar
Was going to say in raid ho is much more doomed theb it was this season
frail veldt
I mean it depends on your performance relative to others
frail veldt
Was going to say in raid ho is much more doomed theb it was this season
the gap is smaller in ST
isnt it?
frail veldt
solo typing
gaunt phoenix
on pure st it is 4% or so
glass mortar
So 3% more as well
frail veldt
okay so still about a 3% increase in the gap
I mean
idk I cant tell people what "unplayable" means to them
but to me that doesnt mean unplayable
cinder haven
So we have to play assa in m+?
lethal oak
So we have to play assa in m+?
Yes tell Zac that
white marten
So we have to play assa in m+?
Are you a top 1% raider or m+?
frail veldt
if zacs getting gapped thats def worrying
but maybe hes playing with other really good players?
white marten
Zac never gets gapped btw
cinder haven
Nah I can make outlaw work for my groups surely
covert kestrel
Are you a top 1% raider or m+?
dont disrespect daddy tob like that
cinder haven
Hes getting gapped now for sure
frail veldt
Are you a top 1% raider or m+?
tobfon is a gamer
covert kestrel
he single handedly carried our tc when solo stepped away
frail veldt
Hes getting gapped now for sure
pics
white marten
Never seen Zac get gapped in my life
cinder haven
Just check his twitch
stiff vector
I mean the way outlaw ST is currently tuned, Id say 6% gap with HO is fairly unplayable for a spec like Outlaw. HO sims near the bottom of all specs, and we all know outlaw often performs slightly worse than its sim(depending on variance) in real fights.
lethal oak
Omega gaped
covert kestrel
That was pre nerf
that is happening this second
frail veldt
Just check his twitch
im in the office lol
white marten
🤣
frail veldt
thats pretty grim lol
white marten
im in the office lol
Did he stutter?
cinder haven
im in the office lol
So? 
frail veldt
I mean the way outlaw ST is currently tuned, Id say 6% gap with HO is fairly unp...
its not 6% in ST
next wedge
it's 4%
gaunt phoenix
Mewo defending ho until the end
white marten
6% gap between KiR and HO?
frail veldt
Mewo defending ho until the end
im being anti doomer lol
someone needs to do it a little bit
white marten
minimal gap
next wedge
dooming is all we do in here
white marten
dooming is all we do in here
Rightfully so
fair topaz
Will keystones drop by x levels or do we all start at +2 again next season?
cinder haven
Why did they nerf our aoe tho?
frail veldt
Why did they nerf our aoe tho?
they nerfed it so it didnt change from the st buffs
they wanted to leave our aoe alone
apparently it was correctly tuned to them
white marten
Why did they nerf our aoe tho?
Cuz Zac is doing the opposite of sandbagging our spec in PTR
covert kestrel
Why did they nerf our aoe tho?
blizz is scared of the big bad 8 capped spec
white marten
Ho performing well
frail veldt
I think last time we discussed this we kind of concluded that their old PC buffs are causing some overnerfing to other aspects of our aoe
cinder haven
Ah early raid before gear performance curse
frail veldt
they prob need to nerf PC and buff our BF back
cinder haven
They are falling for that old trick again
lethal oak
they prob need to nerf PC and buff our BF back
PC buff inc
next wedge
im not dooming i just wont play HO this tier
stiff vector
the only logical reason I can come up with for them constantly nerfing BF this PTR is that the spec is good in low target cleave (esp in the raid) because of PC, and if they left BF alone with the aura buffs wed be OP in low target cleave. So now were still good in low target cleave(which is kinda an irrelevant dmg profile in real keys), but our 6-8t aoe is kinda not that great which is real bad for keys.
cinder haven
Its preparation to uncap bf surely
lethal oak
Its preparation to uncap bf surely
daring oxide
no tobfon no doom
lethal oak
Surely a rework once the race is over
lethal oak
5% all damage, best i can do
5% to KS*
stiff vector
I mean they kind of do this every single time the spec is tuned to be strong within our cap for a season(which is how the spec needs to be tuned to be competitive), they giga nerf BF the next season every time
white marten
Outlaw just needs a 7.65% overall buff and we’re chillin
stiff vector
but PC has made it more problematic
near rock
👀
random stirrup
But blozar said that target capped specs are supposed to dominate within their target count or else there’s no reason to be capped
Why would they nerf blade flurry if that was their goal? 
glass mortar
Ah early raid before gear performance curse
Everytime 
near rock
spec has always been too easy
lethal oak
Bring back old RtB
white marten
Honestly outlaw is easier than ret after KS rework.
Now everyone is gonna flock to outlaw
pliant wind
everyone is drunk here
covert kestrel
Honestly outlaw is easier than ret after KS rework.
late swallow
I want target specific combo points and rtb that costs cps
cinder haven
And mfd
stiff vector
I think we should go back to a 5t cap(well we alrdy have that, but like take away dancing steel)
lethal oak
Bring back fan of knives for all specs
white marten
Bring back shadow dance
cedar kernel
i slept on bed but feeling summoned
vivid vessel
but maybe hes playing with other really good players?
ok but i get gapped while doing 0 st 0 prio 0 aoe, 0 useful damage
if at least i was doing something
im not good at anything rn
im lowest on everything
civic zephyr
that doesnt fill me with confidence
vivid vessel
idk
people kept telling me
outlaw was good
(it got 20% buffs and it still trash)
spare dome
go fatebound
mild vigil
isn't the sim distribution fairly normal?
cinder haven
Doesn’t look promising that’s for sure
mild vigil
but then again sims don't always match real world performance
stiff vector
tbh the only way tricksters st gets saved in keys is big aura buff
stiff vector
prio damage is just fucked tho, design issue
vivid vessel
than s2 outalw
daring oxide
realz please help us
half arch
they made coup bug into a set bonus, classic
dense bolt
double coup is kinda nice
stiff vector
ye tbh the 4 set and new KS feels pretty shit to play with btw
keen belfry
how is spriest funnel ?
stiff vector
they dont rly funnel much anymore
cinder haven
Kinda feel like staying on poe until buffs tbh
vivid vessel
sp does our damage profile
but while doing damage
- its priest
so you have op raid buff
and pi
civic zephyr
outlaw is a feelsbad atm ig
daring oxide
well
outlaw will do more dam tomorrow i guess
but will be short lived
unless im cooked
limpid vortex
You won't be cooked if you step out of the frying pan
stiff vector
ye I think we might be a bit cooked for a while
bright crane
Classic
covert kestrel
Oh boy I can't wait for 8/26 when we get 8% aura buff!
cinder relic
Yeah sub rogue, notorious for being weak
bright crane
Basically what happened last season. Everybody got hyped on it at start
Then this happened
cinder relic
First time in like, 3 years
stiff vector
I mean sub alrdy looking pretty good in keys since the buff, just not sin level
+doesnt have sin funnel and prio
keen belfry
guy does sin do the most funnel in the game in s3
covert kestrel
Basically what happened last season. Everybody got hyped on it at start
Well that's cause their initial tier was like +65% or some shit and then it got guttered
cinder relic
guy does sin do the most funnel in the game in s3
Not sure. Might be arcane or dh
But it's up there
stiff vector
it prob does the most prio/funnel in the game with CDs ye\
wthout CDs, havoc prob does more since they can just prep stacks/aldrachi for next pack and still do pretty good but their funnel/prio with CDs is also pretty crazy
keen belfry
its tier set leaning into DSM makes the funnel crazy
covert heart
I think people were saying it would take arcane spot because of their prio
stiff vector
I saw some chinese havoc DH do some insane damage to 1st boss of arakara
keen belfry
if i had to guess there are going to be 2 comps, one built around rdruid sin, one built around rdruid arcane
these were my 2 guesses based purely on vibes
vdh rdruid arcane spriest destro
Pwarr rdruid sin enh shamm unholy dk
stiff vector
idk if youre taking enhance until it gets buffed
and enhance rly wants to play with disc
they need the PI, and the external/shields
keen belfry
yeah i was debating what lust spec to take there
for that comp
maybe just hunter eh
stiff vector
I think you just take ele for now even though its kinda a weird comp and ele has its downsides but
keen belfry
and im talking about end of season, like after everyone is bis
stiff vector
or just say fuck it take a mage
hybrid crown
Isn't arcane like 5 target cap
covert heart
Yea its either arcane or sin not both
stiff vector
I think people will def play arcane and sin in same comp, depending on dungeon
keen belfry
no way
naive river
I just don't like sin
covert heart
They will just nuke their prio add and loose damage
keen belfry
will legit snipe eachothers dmg and then everything else will just live
latent oak
why not arcane sin and something like dev
covert heart
It happens with my buddies who play arcane and shadow they just kill their prio add like instantly
naive river
dev needs PI doesnt it with its CD's
covert heart
And it screws em over
stiff vector
idk why people think thats a banned combo, its been being played on PTR just fine
latent oak
were u playing outlaw at the time
sudden fulcrum
The public testing realm is probably not a good example of what is the ideal scenario
naive river
everytime you play sin you get the tank that goes W and you don't get a restealth and feels bad. I just rather play outlaw
sudden fulcrum
It’s where people try new stuff, not necessarily the best stuff
covert heart
Like they also do the samething so its not optimal
keen belfry
were u playing outlaw at the time
why would i be talking about playing with sin and arcane together if i was playing outlaw at the time
latent oak
idk u might have been in a funky comp
sudden fulcrum
everytime you play sin you get the tank that goes W and you don't get a restealt...
keen belfry
ive never seen suleyman die so fast first pull of psf but also every sharpshooter just living the whole time
you legit need some aoe padders in comps
lime lake
Holy
keen belfry
lime lake
Fuck you in particular comp
random stirrup
obviously havoc can go pad tree but
stiff vector
for one, Sins big prio and funnel is 2min, and it still does big aoe regardles. Arcanes is 1.5m(well slightly less). You dont have to be constantly sending CDs into same prio mob, and regardless, with the HP buff on PTR its fine.
latent oak
big momma would die so fast xd
stiff vector
casual literally just played arcane/sin in 19 ara
keen belfry
maybe they are that op and it wont matter
someone did say arcane funnel is a decent bit lower this tier
latent oak
he did it in a 19 hoa aswell
lime lake
Decent bit lower is still like top 3 funnel specs though
But ye it has apparently been nerfed a bit
lime lake
Assa funnel got buffed so equivalent exchange
stiff vector
yes
keen belfry
i wonder how much less funnel sunfury is
its less barrages
or should be, in my head
stiff vector
I mean I think with the hp buff on PTR I do think theres an argument for playing something like frost instead of arcane in some keys
because keys are pretty tight on timer rn
random stirrup
imo sin arcane is mostly fine because sin does so much aoe anyway
2 arcane style specs would probably be bad
stiff vector
but I also heard that they might have accidently put the 4%hp buff that was supposed to be for m0 only onto m+ ptr on top of the 10% so idk
but 10% buff overall to every mob in the dungeon is still pretty huge
keen belfry
tomelvis blasting
desert tendon
outlaw so good tho
desert tendon
it s s+++++ tier zeross said
desert tendon
and zeross never lied or cope right?
stiff vector
at least we have burst. At least were a prio dam spec. At least we top boss dam. At least we have a lot of valuable utility.
vivid vessel
against ptr outlaw
stiff vector
tired rune
vivid vessel
outlaw curse
only good in seasons where its either full bugged
or you have to kill yourself with killing spree
lofty pike
so we are cooked?
unkempt smelt
what will be the go to rogue spec for raid prog/M+ push in S3 ?
stiff vector
TBD, but not outlaw 
lofty pike
i literally can't play sub and assa D:
vivid vessel
ok you know what
imma say it
s1 outlaw
is the same as s3 outalw
but at least s1 outlaw did st damage
there i said it
rotund pulsar
real
unkempt smelt
s3 outlaw not looking good ? :§
mighty pivot
it's a dooming kind of day 
red zinc
damn that last minute cutoff increase from boosting is going crazy wtf
people that are actually on the edge gotta be stressed out of their minds
covert kestrel
people that are actually on the edge gotta be stressed out of their minds
awang is triggered
stiff vector
I swear they keep nerfing DPS DKs but their overalls keep going up or staying the same on PTR 
unkempt smelt
I mean he lost by 4 mil to the dk
FDK broken and will prolly get nerfed
red zinc
I swear they keep nerfing DPS DKs but their overalls keep going up or staying th...
the ilvl scaling got increased at some point
stiff vector
he was playing unholy
cinder relic
Yeah fdk is broken
light dune
question, is there anything you WOULDN'T wanna bind GS to?
red zinc
like last week i think
valid tartan
A lot of specs are
red zinc
your ilvl scaling on ptr keys got increased by 10
cinder relic
Best classes this tier are fdk and hunter and shadow and demo
red zinc
thats why it seems like its better
valid tartan
Arcane mage ??
slate forge
there i said it
You will take your 50%KS aura buff and like it
valid tartan
Frost mage ?
Outlaw just sucks let’s be honest
Comparatively
There’s tons of outliers
We are not one
stiff vector
both unholy and frost basically got made 1.5m specs with 45 sec mini cds, reworked, buffed some abilities, then nerfed some abilities and they really thought that wasnt gonna make them still OP?
keen belfry
question, is there anything you WOULDN'T wanna bind GS to?
hey thats me
civic void
question, is there anything you WOULDN'T wanna bind GS to?
Idk if it's still a thing but with vanish it could bug out subt
cinder relic
It doesn't matter how a spec is changed rlly
It's numbers are just crazy
And grip is so broken
light dune
Idk if it's still a thing but with vanish it could bug out subt
ok that makes sense ty
slate forge
question, is there anything you WOULDN'T wanna bind GS to?
!macro
ornate heathBOT
Macroing gs is relatively "ok", be aware that it wont ever be entirely optimal: target swapping in m+ or putting it on a dying target for example. You can macro it to all your abilities.
latent oak
dont bind it to pickpocket
light dune
macroing it with AR work for the opener?
jolly geyser
Bind it to ks
red zinc
macroing it with AR work for the opener?
it won't next season
due to fatebound bugs/interactions
so i wouldnt recommend it
light dune
good to know
unkempt smelt
FDK is easy to play? Havent played it in a while
eager rose
most possibilit build for raid in s3?
lofty pike
My guess is final Tuning Pass before raid goes live, maybe -3,5% Aura Nerf to kill it completely
pliant wind
nah, buff assa pls
cinder summit
!md
wintry solar
I had a dream
cold jewel
was i in it?
wintry solar
You remember assa vendetta? It was sorta like that but had 3 charges
latent oak
pointing at a mob 3 times Pog#
cold jewel
wintry solar
Whatever it did, it was super strong and our raid buff was just being super OP
There was actually a blue post that said that and it was only for outlaw
Back to sleep
opal raven
Hello im sure the other day I had seen a spreadsheet showing all classes sims, anyone got the link please ? Ty
wintry solar
As in it creates more problems than it solves
white marten
5.3% outlaw aura buff soon
sudden fulcrum
vivid vessel
5.3% outlaw aura buff soon
ok but 5% aoe nerf
wintry solar
They're gonna buff HO by a large margin on heroic week
You THOUGHT it was a kir season
young prism
Hello - might be a stupid question but what is the preferred enchant on new belt? (Returning player focusing for m+)
white marten
ok but 5% aoe nerf
I’ll pretend you didn’t just say that.
red zinc
if you only play kir for a while you suck at ho
and i really dont have any reason to learn it so
cold jewel
id rather outlaw just be deleted
id rather just be deleted
white marten
Id rather KIR just be deleted
vapid sundial
real
as fuck
for that
on god
my man
my guy
my homie
brother from another mother
white marten
My dawg
wintry solar
If I had to choose what's next on the chopping block it's kir
vapid sundial
make outlaw great again
cold jewel
Gulf of Outlaw
white marten
If I had to choose what's next on the chopping block it's kir
What the first?
wintry solar
Kir
white marten
Oh lol
wintry solar
Kir has that energy yknow
vapid sundial
Kir then stealth for DPS
white marten
My first is GS unless they make it cost way less energy
wintry solar
Ideally they don't but none of our capstones are staying forever
covert heart
Honestly delete ho and funnel that damage into kir. Ty
white marten
Give outlaw rupture tbh
covert heart
Hell nah
white marten
Make that the energy pool like sub and assa.
cinder relic
This just low quality bait
white marten
vapid sundial
frail veldt
I do think GS is a pretty awful capstone
Not fun to press
Drains energy and can lead to drought
The spec plays a lot better when you talent out of it
fresh acorn
Make outlaw require a gun for gear
white marten
Make outlaw a midranged spec
stiff vector
@keen belfry
chilly atlas
bring back acro
frail veldt
Make outlaw require a gun for gear
This take still blows me away
What does that have to do with gameplay lol
white marten
Lmfao
late swallow
make outlaw require a 1h equipped in MH to be able to press dispatch
fresh acorn
It steals loot from hunters
white marten
UHDK gets to pump with 8 target cap meanwhile outlaw can’t 🙄
Stealing loot from hunters is pretty based ngl
stiff vector
unholy isnt capped tho
white marten
Its not? I thought everyone was crying about that after the rework
keen belfry
their festering poos got capped or something
white marten
Isnt that their main source of aoe? I dont even remember if they play wounds or disease now
white marten
Frost looks way more engaging anyways
stiff vector
nah unholy on PTR doesnt rly do a lot of their aoe with festering wounds or w/e
white marten
Give outlaw an aoe grip. Call it “Grapple Hook”
vivid vessel
definitely gets rid of their absurd aoe scaling though
how come they do so much damage in dungeons like hoa
red zinc
because their base damage is still absurd
latent oak
this is from current season
stiff vector
I mean they still do a decent amount with festering wounds, but the 8t cap of it rly only limits its damage on huge pulls, but they got compensated hansomely for that nerf
red zinc
perfectly timed blood beast every single time now
latent oak
so only 9.5% of their current damage was changed
white marten
Arent they lucky
stiff vector
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/9aCktvPc4MD8xG2h?fight=2&type=damage-done&source=4 this is from the halls zac just ran with shuh on sanlayn unholy
white marten
They get handsomely rewarded for not having a party buff
frank finch
enhance dobby btw
keen belfry
every word is made up pedro
sudden fulcrum
Wtf is dobby?
Dobby is the house elf in Harry Potter
white marten
Dobby is the house elf in Harry Potter
Thats above s tier then
sudden fulcrum
white marten
So s++
white marten
Dobby lowkey got it good
tender wedge
Interesting take on slavery
latent oak
got it good to the stomach ya
white marten
LOL
random stirrup
too soon
tender wedge
Ima hear you out, go on lol
keen belfry
frank finch
i can see ho or ks getting a buff by friday thats about it
frank finch
covert kestrel
i dont think there will be buffs before raid launch
latent oak
last tier there was a patch the day before it dropped no?
worthy elm
i was watching, things look... uhh.. bad
civic zephyr
time to make a video on outlaw being shit
vivid vessel
dude
i dont think you realize
how shit outlaw is
when you do less overall than other specs
covert kestrel
i was watching stream 🙁
vivid vessel
while doing 0 st
0 prio
you are litteraly nothing
0 aoe
spec is target capped
no raid buff
no burst
no cds
you have to make routes around outlaw damage profile
- a worse comp
so you do worse routes
worse comps
all to support a spec that is bottoming damage
ok buddy
spark radish
Yet the way you play it it feels like youre a chainsaw, sad that the results of the apm are so doomed
mighty pivot
cudgel at 678 in dslice btw 
tender wedge
If only we had access to such a cudgel
mighty pivot
If only we had access to such a cudgel
brave lagoon
wow how thoughtful of them /s
frank finch
craggy kelp
brave lagoon
outlaw is fixed boys the cudgel is scaled up
tender wedge
https://discord.com/channels/124169701881282560/316923682607857685/1401972834124...
Well hot damn
I mean…I’ll take it
sudden fulcrum
would be funny if they scale up the nightfall stuff but fix the bug that makes cudgel good
tender wedge
Is that available tomorrow because that’s an easy 8/8 with the dud crests
brave lagoon
I wouldn't put it past them
tender wedge
I guess I’m doing the weekly event on reset tomorrow lol
frank finch
do it today maybe it uses the same token and doesnt reset
mighty pivot
I don't think the nightfall event tokens get removed anyway if you have a spare one
white marten
Looks like its assa for us bois
brave lagoon
might just play evoker for a change
white marten
Dev?
sudden fulcrum
evoker range is so cringe. can't do it
white marten
U get used to it
brave lagoon
I never played ranged before so it's not like I'm missing the extra range I never had to begin with
tender wedge
Oh nice I couldn’t see if that was the same token
mighty pivot
nightfall tokens are indeed not removed/reset on PTR
white marten
Just play mage lol
daring oxide
Jundies plater profile updated for s3: https://wago.io/ak3iS95aa
Thank you @grave wing
grave wing
tender wedge
The man the myth
white marten
Jundies likes sub over outlaw? Impossible
tender wedge
Pink is multiple specs, we got a dirty fence sitter here lads
mighty pivot
it's the same token as on live 
lime lake
white marten
Pink is
white marten
Baja blast for all!
daring oxide
it's the same token as on live <:Okay:1043153086690119710>
How do we get this?
brave lagoon
you complete the weekly nightfall event that happens every hour and you get a token
brave lagoon
It'd be huge if our damage wasn't coming from an oversight on an adventurer track weapon too tho
hybrid crown
Today it's like a 3% gain or something right
That's so small
It's just a fun thing we get to do
For a small gain
That makes me wonder how long myth capo will last as an offhand
For st
mighty pivot
That makes me wonder how long myth capo will last as an offhand
it doesn't compete for long with proper ilvl offhands already -1% against 710 (should be slighly smaller difference because I didn't adapt the haste of the build)
this was for trickster 1fth m+ build on ST
dense bolt
HO the way to go in 11.2?
jovial dome
Who uses pins nowadays? <_<
jovial dome
Don't we just go ask our favourite streamer now what the meta is for every spec?
prisma vessel
i don't.
dense bolt
EspressaBeans idk how this person is at all on twitch but i just saw that they playing outlaw on piano mode and it goes hard
prisma vessel
i just play the game.
dense bolt
how do u even learn that
jovial dome
Yeah she plays some crazy shit
jovial dome
Nah, she just barely uses her mouse at all
sudden fulcrum
jovial dome
Her fingers go hard
prisma vessel
yea xD
stiff vector
We’ll be able to get 701 weapon drops from 10s in a week when season starts so, doubt capo/cudgel will last very long in OH
and should prob be able to do 10s pretty ez in at least some dungeons day 1
mighty pivot
you have many fans @mossy shell 
late swallow
you have many fans <@309425430371500033> <:CE_Smile3:981432314540208159>
both hands on keyboard gaming
vivid vessel
@gaunt phoenix you know what's funny
keen belfry
i had no clue nessa played like this
vivid vessel
I was right
Outlaw rn on ptr wouldnt even be as good as S2 outlaw if they reverted bf nerf
And you all tried to gaslight me into thinking it wasn't a nerf
late swallow
nessa is perma floor pov
near rock
Zac back to dooming smh
vivid vessel
And the best specs got nerfed by like 20/30%
late swallow
outlaw saved!
vivid vessel
And it's still bad 
near rock
Holy we’re so huge
mighty pivot
outlaw was so broken that they had to nerf BF. thoughts?
near rock
You just haven’t found the build yet bro dw
vivid vessel
Ye probably
late swallow
i think nessa is a classic millenial
vivid vessel
Assa got buffed on cd for no reason
near rock
Trust, outlaw is going to do nuclear levels of dps
bright lodge
They fixed our prio just like you asked
vivid vessel
They fixed our prio just like you asked
You are doing tank damage prio and st still
vivid vessel
If at least you did these overalls while topping st like in s1
near rock
Yeah have u seen brewmasters bro
silver knoll
You are doing tank damage prio and st still
lets nerf blade flurry again
vivid vessel
But you do these overalls while being bottom st on every boss
near rock
Doing tank dmg prio is massive
vivid vessel
And they thought they should nerf bf
Literally every week
I don't get it
What's the point
silver knoll
buff 3% single dmg and -5% blade flurry cleaver 🙏
civic zephyr
Leading to a sudden uncapping of bf copium
near rock
It’s because trickster sucks man U gotta start flipping coins it’s what blizzard wants this tier
vivid vessel
Funny thing is we probably will look insane in raid with pc on the pc bosses lol
leaden folio
bring back coup exploit
near rock
It’s literally the tier set
vivid vessel
Outlaw is only ever good when we abuse bugs or they fix bugs mid tier what can you do
red zinc
He means the critter one
leaden folio
xdd
near rock
Oh 
silver knoll
bring outlaw bfa back
red zinc
Who’s to say the second coup from tier on a critter doesnt activate the bug again?
(I tested this already)
near rock
Who’s to say the second coup from tier on a critter doesnt activate the bug agai...
football season starts soon man you gotta take wow off your mind
wide flare
are there anymore instances (other than opening with trinket) that could mess up subterfuge after vanish?
my mate is having issues and I can't think of anything
red zinc
football season starts soon man you gotta take wow off your mind
Ok mr 10th place
near rock
I can only go up from there
sudden fulcrum
my mate is having issues and I can't think of anything
int nightfall weapon is a popular one
red zinc
I can only go up from there
Untrue we have 12 people now
near rock
I’m finishing top 3 this year quote me
wide flare
int nightfall weapon is a popular one
the Nightfall Curseblade's Cudgel? I use it and have any issues with subterfuge
sudden fulcrum
is that an int weapon? i don't think so
wide flare
yes i am monkey
bright lodge
Do you still taking brew to tank instead of prot in phys comp? I heard prots doing insane dps
bright crane
Yeasss weee doommminnn
keen belfry
if u want prot war u either gotta take mw monk or ww monk
vivid vessel
you aint getting in the phys comp my guy
bright crane
Ain’t nobody discoursing that
wide flare
yes op tier
sudden fulcrum
doesn't discord require you to be at least 13 to use it?
keen belfry
!ban deadtube
wintry solar
!explode deadtube
vivid vessel
ye brew is the highest dps tank by far
wintry solar
Nah yall are cooked
wintry solar
It's whoever is applying in lfg
vivid vessel
you take assa or sub if its a rogue
but legit
you just take any spec in the game
and its better
doesnt even have to be phjysical
glass mortar
wtf did we get new notes
tribal cosmos
Zac doomin already
vivid vessel
take enhance
vivid vessel
nah i did too many keys
tribal cosmos
Enhance useless with resto sham
glass mortar
we got buffed like 6 times how can we not be pumping
7 buffs in a row
surely by the 8th buff we r good in keys
dw the 9th buff will save us
frail veldt
I think theyve only nerfed aoe though
tribal cosmos
New bis comp probably vdh rdruid assa arcane uhdk/fdj
frail veldt
theres been 0 aoe buffs
glass mortar
well
frail veldt
and a few aoe nerfs
glass mortar
according to solo every direct buff with a bf nerf to go with it has been a net aoe buff no?
just very smol
frail veldt
some of them have
vivid vessel
vivid vessel
according to solo every direct buff with a bf nerf to go with it has been a net ...
dude
like 0%
glass mortar
ya
frail veldt
but yeah its like 1-2% total
glass mortar
very smol
vivid vessel
except outlaw has been behind in aoe
tribal cosmos
How did you get into those keys ?
vivid vessel
the whole time
proven berry
theyre just better players kappa
glass mortar
i c
tribal cosmos
AHAHAHA
glass mortar
well
tribal cosmos
They invited you
glass mortar
raid tuning
frail veldt
@vivid vessel is this in bis s3 gear?
vivid vessel
they are so shit at tuning
tribal cosmos
Ok but have you seen arms warrior
daring oxide
they are so shit at tuning
Zac you making me cry bro
I get sad when I see you in the slumps
tribal cosmos
Arms players are literally dead in side of street rn
daring oxide
Arms players are literally dead in side of street rn
Who gives a fuck about them this is outlaw
lime lake
good
glass mortar
dw zac if its any consolation
outlaw always shows up so hard before people have gear
tribal cosmos
Outlaw boughta join them ? Like wtf
glass mortar
so we will probably at least appear ok in raid first 2 week
before we fall off the cliff
vivid vessel
you are doing lowest prio, lowest st, lowest aoe, have no burst, are target capped, you need all the raid buffs to be playable, you need to make worse routes and worse comps to play around outlaw, all to be doing subpar damage
glass mortar
vivid vessel
okok
daring oxide
outlaw always shows up so hard before people have gear
This tbh
We’re gonna have a decent start and 2 weeks in we are getting a buff
vivid vessel
so we will probably at least appear ok in raid first 2 week
buddy
the crazy part is
daring oxide
To compensate for our poor scaling
tribal cosmos
@vivid vessel but you have a pistol
glass mortar
xdd
vivid vessel
cause outlaw on pc bosses
glass mortar
little s1 action
daring oxide
i even except a nerf
For what
glass mortar
nerfed week 1, then buffed for more then the nerf 3 weeks later
glass mortar
begrudingly
daring oxide
What boss?
tribal cosmos
Dragonflight outlaw @vivid vessel ya miss it ?
daring oxide
DH boss and?
vivid vessel
one boss spawns add perma that takes 100% increase damage amp
tribal cosmos
No haste
lone crow
bro no haste cap
vivid vessel
same shit
vivid vessel
so like
glass mortar
Nah they can't nerf us thi
glass mortar
They literally did the meme S1 thus expac
daring oxide
I see
wintry solar
nerfed week 1, then buffed for more then the nerf 3 weeks later
Someone wished that the devs wouldn't nerf outlaw. Little did they know they lacked the foresight that blizz would just make outlaw underperform.
vivid vessel
and we got 20% aura buffs
glass mortar
They couldn't doit twice in a row
daring oxide
But that’s just two bosses
tribal cosmos
Well who balances outlaw
vivid vessel
ye
tribal cosmos
Why did they balance outlaw around haste
vivid vessel
but you know how it will look vurai
we are certaintly not getting buffed
while being so much worse
daring oxide
Hmm
tribal cosmos
Baugette dagger
vivid vessel
both sub and assa are better
tribal cosmos
Off hand dagger gg
vivid vessel
assa is meta
daring oxide
Wel it’s fine if you think about it Zac
vivid vessel
outlaw does nothing
daring oxide
Destro never got nerfed for cauldron
tribal cosmos
One or other always meta
dense bolt
vers classes seem to always get nerfed early on cuz how vers works and then every other scaling mastery class just catches up
daring oxide
No i agree
vivid vessel
and im telling you
i dont tihnk it ever was this bad
like outlaw is going to look
crazy
on these 2 bosses
im not joking
daring oxide
I just silently hoping we won’t get nerfed in regards to that niche but you are right too I think
vivid vessel
pc was never this strong
vivid vessel
pc was barely better on 2 target back then
daring oxide
I can’t remember but I know we were hard stuck as fatebound
daring oxide
Hmm
tribal cosmos
Next season outlaw will be a burst class
vivid vessel
we played fatebound everywhere
tribal cosmos
vivid vessel
trickster wasnt a thing
outlaw was litteraly tank damage in keys
or well
:)
im gonna say something that might surprise you
but as every season
outlaw started good
and then ended up being the tank spec
even sub was better
tribal cosmos
Outlaw has been good beginning season then always nerfed
I remember every week
I got nerfed
daring oxide
No I agree with this I feel that we are tuned higher at the start
vivid vessel
early serason outlaw
tribal cosmos
And my gear mattered 0
vivid vessel
is representative of anything
dense bolt
its just how vers works
daring oxide
Because we have god awful scaling with gear
dense bolt
then everybody catches up
vivid vessel
it will be the same this season btw
dense bolt
when they get correct gear
vivid vessel
people will instantly forget ptr numbers
tribal cosmos
Imagine picking up ilvl upgrade and losing dmg every week
vivid vessel
guy will hype up outlaw in keys
he will come here and say like
dude
im destroying these keys rn
everyone will be happy
you scale up
and its back to ptr numbers
daring oxide
Then when everyone is full bus
vivid vessel
im not inventing anything btw
daring oxide
No I know exactly what you mean
daring oxide
We see this all the time
red zinc
yall think sometimes we put too much energy into something completely out of our control
realz is not reading ts
wintry solar
Anudda day anudda outwaw nerf
daring oxide
But that obviously gives us a big boon at the start
wintry solar
yall think sometimes we put too much energy into something completely out of our...
No that's dumb
vivid vessel
yall think sometimes we put too much energy into something completely out of our...
Nah idc much
I'm not wasting my time
red zinc
unc
vivid vessel
What else would I be doing
tribal cosmos
@vivid vessel lemme have a rasty
vivid vessel
Like what else would you want from life
tribal cosmos
Nothing
red zinc
are you making actual food
mighty pivot
What else would I be doing
send an email to blizzard to ask for write permissions to their repo
tribal cosmos
Eat food and doom
red zinc
or is it THE recipe
vivid vessel
are you making actual food
Ye pastas
lime lake
is it microwaved pastas
red zinc
microwave butter cheese pasta is not food
wintry solar
It's not like I'm gonna drop outlaw. Would have to be pretty bad for that.
tribal cosmos
If i drop from top dps player in keys
wintry solar
microwave butter cheese pasta is not food
It has carbs and that's good enough for me
red zinc
i only play wow when im single anyway
Or im single when i play wow
Probably the latter
tribal cosmos
I have a gf playing wow
tribal cosmos
Shes supportive
vivid vessel
I prefer wow
tribal cosmos
Same
lime lake
wintry solar
My gf and I decided to have kids to help us farm herbs and stuff
red zinc
thats cause your booty has never been plundered silly style @vivid vessel
vivid vessel
Eh
red zinc
would think differently otherwise
vivid vessel
You don't know that my guy
wintry solar
Them old folk had the right jdea with 13 kids
quaint mauve
thats cause your booty has never been plundered silly style <@352916297262301194...
what could this possibly mean
vivid vessel
I'm a freaky guy Timmy
timber rune
I heard outlaw are poopoo
vivid vessel
You just don't know
wintry solar
thats cause your booty has never been plundered silly style <@352916297262301194...
Your telling a French guy his booty has never been plundered.
red zinc
what could this possibly mean
Use your imagination twin
wintry solar
That's like saying to a fish it's never swam
tribal cosmos
French booty taste like cheese
vivid vessel
I heard outlaw are poopoo
Worse than S2, maybe better than s1 but honestly unsure
quaint mauve
Use your imagination twin
i actually don’t want to do that
timber rune
Worse than S2, maybe better than s1 but honestly unsure
Can you come to sin side?
vivid vessel
No
quaint mauve
I heard outlaw are poopoo
we all play sin here, we just pretend we don’t
stiff vector
@vivid vessel bro wtf my fungal folly is bugged too, its just not there. How do I fix this
wintry solar
Zzzin
vivid vessel
pweetty pwease
Why would I do that cuh
vivid vessel
<@352916297262301194> bro wtf my fungal folly is bugged too, its just not there....
Idk what this means
timber rune
Why would I do that cuh
idk what this means
vivid vessel
I'm just making pastas
stiff vector
when you were going to do the delve on your brew and the entrance just wasnt there
its like that for me too
wintry solar
Yall got locked out
timber rune
Why would I do that cuh
cus then i dont get fomo of not playing outlaw when I see you popping off
vivid vessel
I just logout