outlaw

[covert kestrel]

i miss elu

[lime lake]

real

[covert kestrel]

i miss ryu

[rigid basin]

Toes is a funny ass tag

[mighty pivot]

vanish timing maybe? It should be "easy" to see what causes it with a log where it happens

[covert kestrel]

hey solo can we have a command that when we do !ryu, moroes just spits some actual nonsense on us

[gaunt phoenix]

[lime lake]

!ryu

[mighty pivot]

a command that asks chatgpt for a completely new rogue build no matter the dps loss

[covert kestrel]

i just feel like he needs some sort of commemoration

[lime lake]

leave out some of the questionable stuff though

just funny build stuff

[red zinc]

doing 14-15 keys is so funny

playing with a friend learning tank

its like a challenge to do the same dps as the other two combined

[rigid basin]

!ryu

Here's latest cook:

No Subterfuge GSW Build

[glass mortar]

this is still not the case btw

[tranquil hemlock]

[glass mortar]

about half or more of the physical ground based aoes/mechanics bosses do u can evasion to immune

u can pop 100% of the mines on first boss mechagon for instance

if u evasion and face the tank as u run into them

[lime lake]

[glass mortar]

you "dodge" the mine

[tranquil hemlock]

the regret

help me

[sudden fulcrum]

why would you try that though?

[tranquil hemlock]

why do i sarcasm

[glass mortar]

sometimes u get an annoying mine

[lime lake]

im starting to feel bad about memeing it now

[glass mortar]

in melee cause ur ranged r trolling

[gaunt phoenix]

[glass mortar]

also its funny watching my healer panic as i line up and run thru 5 mines

[steep dust]

KS 3min CD, is there no CDR like we have with AR?

[sudden fulcrum]

i get using evasion if you accidentally walk into a ground effect but most of the time that's going to result in your death

[glass mortar]

ive had personals used on me before and i didnt even take damage

[hybrid crown]

that is so good to know for the bombs on mechagon

[rigid basin]

You forgot the /s

Kekw

[hybrid crown]

I tried to cloak them once...only once lol

[glass mortar]

i mean it makes no sense it works vs them btw

[tranquil hemlock]

with the conversation around i thought it was obvious

[glass mortar]

like zero

for alot of the stuff it immunes

its kinda funny

[tranquil hemlock]

I must bear this weight

[lime lake]

cant wait for someone to come in two hours and ping you again

[tranquil hemlock]

lmao

[glass mortar]

im not surprised rogues not in this channel rarely know about all the stuff it can immune. that guy 100% doesnt know

the forums one

[tranquil hemlock]

forums guy is

the one

[exotic agate]

maybe we should invite him here

[lime lake]

https://tenor.com/view/blink-cat-gif-9940464674384740360

[hybrid crown]

im thinking most rogues even in this discord don't know half the stuff evasion cheeses

[tranquil hemlock]

we shalt not talk poorly of thy lord

[glass mortar]

that particular individual is one of the "rogue forums is filled with a cult" guys

[hybrid crown]

I just found out about that and I've done a ton of keys

[glass mortar]

they would not come in here

[lime lake]

wait can i join the cult

[tranquil hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/willem-dafoe-gif-25786623

[lime lake]

i havent been in one since i was a kid

[tranquil hemlock]

cult mentionned

[tranquil hemlock]

aww why'd you leave

[lime lake]

https://tenor.com/view/stewie-rocking-shocked-trauma-family-guy-gif-3629549

[mighty pivot]

it CDRs just normally. It's effectively double the "real cd" of KS now

[novel timber]

!evasioncheese

[tranquil hemlock]

i was gonna do evasion emote and 🧀

but we dont have evasion emote

[rigid basin]

👍

🏄‍♂️ 🏄‍♀️

[tranquil hemlock]

is this proof that evasion is useless ?

[lime lake]

well yeah why would we have an emote for a useless spell

[tranquil hemlock]

ping me

i dare you

[rigid basin]

@tranquil hemlock

[lime lake]

https://tenor.com/view/test-gif-12330668096487000474

[tranquil hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-side-eye-gif-5016118126108679217

[civic zephyr]

maybe with the new KS in s3, 25% haste wont be so bad

[tranquil hemlock]

it's hastin' time

[civic zephyr]

https://tenor.com/view/rambo-sylvester-stallone-suns-out-guns-out-ready-aim-fire-machine-gun-gif-5120447

[glass mortar]

i mean we cast kspree half as often and its damage is not double what it was on live so

it will only be less of ur damage budget

meaning its effect on your haste value should be lower then live

[gaunt phoenix]

Yeah

[glass mortar]

and on live it didnt matter at all

or not enough to seriously move the needle anyway

honestly why are they taking such baby steps on its damage, doubling the cd and doubling the damage sounds like a no brainer, no?

it feels like they are trying to make it just barely worth not cancelling for anything else

[gaunt phoenix]

man

this fatebound tier is so good

[civic zephyr]

they should give us a killing spree damage buff for using a gun in the offhand

[gaunt phoenix]

i dont want it to be 11% behind in keys

[glass mortar]

xd

which way fatebound man

abandon CtO, or play 1 fth

🫡

[gaunt phoenix]

1 fth cause HO is dead

[glass mortar]

[red zinc]

YEAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[frank finch]

ho dead?

[gaunt phoenix]

okay maybe an interesting point

[glass mortar]

or the more likely outcome, even if fatebound tier obliterates tricksters, and trickster got an 8% nerf from kspree change, trickster is probably still better in dungeons

[gaunt phoenix]

as it stands Fatebound is significantly ahead on st

enough to matter in some keys maybe

[glass mortar]

we back to s1 maybe

fatebound ahead by a huge amount in st, kir king again, trickster better in aoe

after this season of playing PC i was really hoping they could force me to give up more ST to do my aoe dps tbh

law feels a little too strong on live imo

🙂

[gaunt phoenix]

ugh we have to wait until fucking august

ship it now !

[raven socket]

Patch 11.2 is in August ?

[gaunt phoenix]

probably

[late swallow]

ptr is a release candidate right?

[raven socket]

OOOOF

[gaunt phoenix]

idk

[lime lake]

yeah

no more changes needed

[gaunt phoenix]

august 12th would match 8 weeks

i think

it is also the week after the timeways event thing ends

[open jasper]

I tried fatebound in a key and the ST was still beans, like 20% less than enhance and mage on bosses

guess we will see with raid

[gaunt phoenix]

oh compared to other specs we are dog ass i think lol

i just mean compared to trickster

[glass mortar]

no direct tuning "buffs", new season of stat scaling, and we already gained less relative to many specs this season compared to s1 single target wise i feel

i mean just look at how our ST fell down the standings after the ilvl supercharge

not super surprising but tuning is generally the last thing that happens on ptr so

[gaunt phoenix]

fatebound tails damage increased by 198%

[tranquil hemlock]

ah

easy

just roll tails

[red zinc]

ye m+ testing till then too

[gaunt phoenix]

oh nice

[tranquil hemlock]

outlaw is fixed

im so smart

[rigid basin]

https://tenor.com/view/pouring-coins-rickey-williams-rickey-i-got-a-lot-of-coins-i-only-have-coins-gif-17407523339780562812

[gaunt phoenix]

Fatebound rng is pretty diminished now

Pls dont nerf fatebound 2pc

[glass mortar]

is AR uptime for fatebound just 100% in sims with that tier

[gaunt phoenix]

nearly

[rigid basin]

That'll feel good

[glass mortar]

i mean its already close to 100% in sims i was just checking if bad rng could still make u drop it

which it can (hence not being 100% in sims)

[gaunt phoenix]

the minimum across all iterations was 89%

[glass mortar]

hm

[rigid basin]

Dayum

[glass mortar]

honestly that doesnt sound that different from live

[gaunt phoenix]

the MINIMUM?

like total rng disaster

[glass mortar]

i was about to say whats crushing the variance so much then i realized we are dropping this tox 4 piece and fixing lucky coin

forgot the fatebound capstone just adds a bit to variance while offering nothing for gameplay

[gaunt phoenix]

it's up to fate

i don't think i've ever been more hype for an outlaw tier

[sacred saddle]

embrace cold blood
flip 7 edge cases in a row

[glass mortar]

damn whats got u so hype, all the changes so far have me a bit deflated

our profile looks to be even more toxic right now on ptr idk

[lime lake]

he just really fucking loves coins

[glass mortar]

if they dont save fatebound aoe or trickster st

(or outlaw st)

[keen belfry]

What’s your fav stuff

[lime lake]

the transmog

[gaunt phoenix]

The fatebound tier

[glass mortar]

is there any actual gameplay in it you think or it just makes number higher

fatebound feels so barebones after a season of trickster for me

[gaunt phoenix]

no LMAO

just coins

[glass mortar]

[lime lake]

[gaunt phoenix]

you dont wanna shit out coins ?

[sacred saddle]

https://tenor.com/view/spit-money-diving-coins-duck-gif-16343994

[lime lake]

i never realized solo was so based

[gaunt phoenix]

i've had enough of unseen blade anyway

[vivid vessel]

I got used to having 2 more finishers

i would rather they fix trickster

and ks

it has so much potential

[gaunt phoenix]

they will cook trickster dw

[vivid vessel]

• infinite trickz is insane

[vivid vessel]

yeee

im not hopeful

[glass mortar]

like if we end up in a world where trickster is 10% ahead in aoe and fatebound 15% in st and ur profile for both is just worse

[vivid vessel]

at all

[glass mortar]

idk stuff on ptr looks not so hot rn

hoping for more numbers stuff

[lime lake]

dw they fix fatebound aoe for sure

[gaunt phoenix]

i've had enough of sleight and unseen blade

we are free

[glass mortar]

sleight i agree

good riddance

[vivid vessel]

ye but fatebound

idk

[sacred saddle]

my tricks of the trade tho :(

[covert kestrel]

is echoing void bugged for all classes or just us

[gaunt phoenix]

i know

[vivid vessel]

if fatebound is the play solo

we just

we wont be good

[gaunt phoenix]

fatebound needs to lose the anti prio damage shit

[vivid vessel]

like if we have to play fatebound in m+

we just wont be good in m+

we will do 0 aoe

thats all there is

[gaunt phoenix]

we were fine with fatebound before

[vivid vessel]

no ?

we were dogshit in s1

[glass mortar]

we were not particularly impressive in m+ in s1 but its hard to tell how much of that was fatebound and how much was the dead target bug

[vivid vessel]

just with how tuining works

we need trickster to be good enough to play

cause it will alwasy be ahead in aoe

and thats what we want

[glass mortar]

if they r only buffing/nerfing our core kit then if fatebound is tuned high enough to be strong in aoe, trickster should still dumpster it

they need to tune fatebound for aoe directly

its aoe stuff r just trash idk

[vivid vessel]

i dont want to play fatebound in m+

i just wanna play trickster

keep fb in raid

and we good

[gaunt phoenix]

dw they wont let trickster die off after cooking ks so much

[lime lake]

[vivid vessel]

"cooking ks so much"

[glass mortar]

ye i hope i hope

[vivid vessel]

after waiting that long

getting what we got

idk

im very disapointed

@glass mortar

it doesnt have main stats

thats prolly just worse in general no ?

cause of that

[rigid basin]

Macro it to Vanish

[glass mortar]

hard to tell

its budget is like 7.2k agi if u wanna read it that way

which is 1k agi short of normal trinkets at that ilvl

but the proc pumps harder then secondaries in its place would (for us at least)

so its maybe a sim angle

like 5-6% of people who were testing its overall

[gaunt phoenix]

hmmm

[glass mortar]

might be its too underbudgeted for us ig and just good for cd users

[gaunt phoenix]

i think the agility averaged across uptime is a bit below budget

but if the proc is 5-6%

[glass mortar]

ya its like 1.2k under budget

iirc like 8.5k agi on myth trinkets

with the added factor of being able to save up its budget like magnet for any relevant aoe phases or damage amp phases without sacrificing any of its budget which is kinda cute

but again law isnt a spec that can really abuse that like others

[keen belfry]

I didn’t realize how much I enjoyed another finisher until I tried out fatebound on PTR

[glass mortar]

granted: kspree is now buffed enough u also play it as fatebound it just doesnt have any interactions

[gaunt phoenix]

the interaction is that it gets canceled by tails coin

[glass mortar]

!!

[gaunt phoenix]

wonder if that will slip through the cracks

[glass mortar]

how much they need to buff it to make it viable with that

u get like 1-2 shots off, so 800% perhaps?

honestly with kspree becoming another dedicated gun spell GSW really needs a recook

[rigid basin]

New spell type: GUN inc

[gaunt phoenix]

new mastery affects gun spells

[rigid basin]

Would be significantly better than what we got now kekw

[covert kestrel]

Mastery: America the Beautiful, for every 5% of mastery achieved, you upgrade your gun spells from pistol > uzi > rifle > AR15 > belt fed machine gun and gain X% more damage and procs from each

RYU COOK

[vivid vessel]

me when coins will be my most damage done

[rigid basin]

LMAO

[glass mortar]

every 2 stacks of fth consumed increases the damage and cast speed of your next kspree by 10%, stacking up to 6 times

or something like that idk

[rigid basin]

Bros playing gun game

[gaunt phoenix]

i think if you play HO fatebound the tails coin will win

[vivid vessel]

why would i do that

[glass mortar]

man how does none of this fatebound damage even have an animation other then a coin pooping

i get a lucky coin and suddenly gain 6% raw power, or bonk my enemy for one of the hardest hits in my kit and

nothing

not even a sound effect

this is cosmic damage wheres my cosmic rays or cosmic sword particle as i send a tails coin finisher

[obsidian walrus]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[glass mortar]

anything at all

[rigid basin]

Telling ya, tails has just gotta summon an OAB coin and run over mobs

Imagine that's our aoe stun

[gaunt phoenix]

[glass mortar]

i will accept lucky coin being a OaB coin rolling into the enemy and exploading and nothing less at this point

💅

that thing went hard af

and i wanna give our bm hunter ptsd

[rigid basin]

TRUE

Since we are losing minecart next season I need something else to jumpscare my group with

[gaunt phoenix]

it's possible we munch the first stealth window and vanish early for guaranteed lucky coin

though the 4pc is not actually that strong

[rigid basin]

Hm that's awk

[glass mortar]

its not like fatebound does literally anything extra over basic bitch crackshot outlaw from last expac so thats w/e

[gaunt phoenix]

LMAO

[glass mortar]

new stuff is new stuff

[gaunt phoenix]

idk outlaw doesn't need to constantly iterate into having more complexity

[glass mortar]

and guarenteeing lucky coin shoulda been something u could do in the opener since day 1 of the expac so

i mean i wont back down on this, how often u get lucky coin with this tier set is how often it should be proccing baseline for fatebound

disgusting capstone

only capstone for a hero tree in the entire video game that u could go a raid boss not proccing one time

[fallow hinge]

speaking of not proccing powerful effects

I did a mug'zee pull last night where I didn't get a 4pc proc until 2:47

[craggy barn]

oof

[glass mortar]

4pc proc for... survival?

[fallow hinge]

(survival)

ye

[glass mortar]

ah yea

[craggy barn]

did u already 8/8 lizard?

[fallow hinge]

the pull after it made it up to me with 6 procs in the first 40 seconds though

[rigid basin]

Let's go gambling moment

[glass mortar]

yea on my first mugzee pull i had like 50% uptime on most RtB buffs and didnt roll a single 5 buff the whole wipe

half my buffs were 1 buffs and my damage was a joke

[craggy barn]

ah

whens ur next raid day

[fallow hinge]

sun

[craggy barn]

glgl

[rigid basin]

GL

Hope you get Capo

[fallow hinge]

we pushed from 17% to 10% yesterday, and 40% to 17% on weds so

[craggy barn]

i have gally prog today, and with proper assignments this time

[fallow hinge]

theoretically it should be down this week if people lock the hell in

[craggy barn]

ye

[glass mortar]

u have the consolation that mugzee is far harder prog then gally at this point

[craggy barn]

my prog was like that

[glass mortar]

my guild had like, 1/3rd the wipes on gally we had on mugzee

[fallow hinge]

first set of mines in the last phase is wiping the floor with us. We do that clean once with no deaths and it's done

[glass mortar]

might have been less

[craggy barn]

and then i finally died after holding my cooldowns and they killed it

[fallow hinge]

we're 4 pulls under our bandit kill on mug'zee atm

[craggy barn]

i didnt hold shit before our last pull

and i decided to play nice and hold and do mechanics and then i die 😦

[fallow hinge]

I'm allowed to not hold

because surv is 1min cds

[gaunt phoenix]

gl

[fallow hinge]

and it lines up with 4min lust

[craggy barn]

funnily enough we didnt have our survival hunter for our mugzee kill

OR our bandit kill

he missed both kills

[fallow hinge]

there's only like 80 something survival parses on mug

so like, I'm guaranteed top 100 ;D

[craggy barn]

HUGE

[fallow hinge]

but I was explicitly asked to reroll VE and play survival for the gaols

[craggy barn]

one of our officers raffled off log reviews from high level players

and our survival got it

[fallow hinge]

4pc proc deletes like 25-40% of the goon's health

[craggy barn]

but he had better parses then the hunter who could log review

[fallow hinge]

I could do with a log review on surv tbh. I'm not certain on the priority juggle of not wasting Tip stacks vs cycling pack leader beasts

[craggy barn]

god i cant believe i died on our mugzee kil

gdi

[fallow hinge]

oh we're also progging without a warr buff atm

[craggy barn]

oof

[fallow hinge]

because ours has been in greece for like 3 weeks

he's back now though

[glass mortar]

fuk i just had a brainblast for survival. shame i dont play it anymore

[fallow hinge]

I hope we get it down with warr buff

I gain a ton of value from it

[craggy barn]

i believe in u lizard

[glass mortar]

all these dumb talents that buff bleed damage when they have never bothered to make a build where u can control when u bleed stuff, they shoulda just made it so KC bleed/debuff buffs all physical damage so it impacts mongoose and stuff too

[fallow hinge]

zomb I got a r5 survival parse on gally hc this week :D

[glass mortar]

man i miss s1 survival

[craggy barn]

huge

[fallow hinge]

wonder if it's been stolen from me yet

[craggy barn]

i stole rank 1 parses on day 1 of 11.1.7

[fallow hinge]

ahahahhahahah

[craggy barn]

and promptly lost them

how the hell do people parse vexie hc, shit dies so fast

[fallow hinge]

they ban people from playing cleave apart from like 1 person

[craggy barn]

classic

[fallow hinge]

and they just funnel all that add damage into the one person

[craggy barn]

when r u coming back to rogue

[desert tendon]

stop flexing wth

[fallow hinge]

never

[desert tendon]

you ll get karma

[craggy barn]

wtf

[desert tendon]

[craggy barn]

also gdi wheres my badge

[fallow hinge]

I can't vibe on a class that has a spec I don't like, it turns out

[craggy barn]

what spec

[fallow hinge]

sub

[craggy barn]

reasonable

im prety much the same

i cant play any other class

if i dont like all specs

like the only other class ive enjoyed so far is dk

despite its flaws

i have alts for other classes but i cba to really put effort into them

[fallow hinge]

sub, demo, fire, balance, blood, prot (both), brew, ww, ret...

[vivid vessel]

bro this boss is cool

[craggy barn]

which one

[vivid vessel]

visually its crazy stuffs

this one

idk

[craggy barn]

ah

[craggy barn]

ye im watching rn

just tuned in

[vivid vessel]

you werent watching >?>??

[craggy barn]

this is what max called the lihivum fight or some shit

i just got on my pc

is it just hc ptr?

[vivid vessel]

ye

trickster fight

[craggy barn]

lol

[keen belfry]

we are on night 2 of gally prog and we have a 12% wipe

that boss is very funny

[craggy barn]

is there any FB fight so far

[vivid vessel]

bro idk

its the first boss we see

[craggy barn]

ah

got it

[fallow hinge]

how's it compare to mug?

[keen belfry]

so much easier

[craggy barn]

ye

[glass mortar]

gally is infinity easier then mug

[craggy barn]

way easier

[fallow hinge]

easier how?

simpler mechanics?

[keen belfry]

less to do to

fake mechanics

no dps check

[rigid basin]

Difficulty is front loaded

[glass mortar]

mechanics more forgiving, not as complicated ,and absurdly frontloaded

[craggy barn]

its a lot of soaking in p1

[fallow hinge]

shiny

[glass mortar]

once u start getting past p1 the boss flops

[craggy barn]

not a lot of giga positioning shit u have to do like in mugzee

and no holding

[glass mortar]

legit our raid has never killed an endboss in so few kills

i think our whole prog was 66 pulls

we had like 150 on mug

[keen belfry]

there aarent multiple different strats or dps checks or phase timers it just can u do 4th soaks and then boss kinda dies

[fallow hinge]

you recall how me saying my guild sucked ass at precise positioning?

[craggy barn]

ye

[fallow hinge]

They've actually been getting WAY better.

[craggy barn]

nice

now they can forget all that

in gally

[fallow hinge]

we killed bandit faster than sprocket even

[glass mortar]

boss felt so funny as outlaw

[craggy barn]

we did too i think

[fallow hinge]

even with the whole accurate baiting

[craggy barn]

i didnt get our sprocket kill unfortunately

[glass mortar]

i didnt prog it really with them cause of work but when i came in on farm i had the highest damage taken on the kill due to kspree and aoes

[fallow hinge]

melee were baiting coins to the non-kill add as well

[glass mortar]

but i was never even close to dying

[craggy barn]

bro my parses

[glass mortar]

it was funny

[craggy barn]

the ONE time i play sin

i get this shit

[keen belfry]

the way KS tps you on gally is so funny

[craggy barn]

its old style KS

[craggy barn]

perma behind boss

[glass mortar]

when my tanks would taunt swap the boss mid kspree and suddenly i would 180 to the other side of the room into a stun

[rigid basin]

Funny enough my guild has more pulls on gally xd

[fallow hinge]

(yes that's mythic for all)

[craggy barn]

i havent been able to update my parses

[keen belfry]

not even i have some crazy tps i gotta show

[craggy barn]

we havent recleared in a month

or so

[fallow hinge]

at the risk of jinxing it, this feels like an achievable CE tier

since we're on mug'zee and still have like 5-6 weeks left

[glass mortar]

u still have like 2 raid rep buffs to hit and a bit more belt ilvl to aquire as well

[fallow hinge]

and mug'zee should die this week. It's killable this week, in any case. Whether or not people lock in is a diff matter

[glass mortar]

so u will be stronger as u prog him

[craggy barn]

yea def a much easier CE tier than last

nothing like silken

[fallow hinge]

I mean we did get silken down

[craggy barn]

yea but that ate up some time didnt it

[fallow hinge]

a lot of it, ye

[glass mortar]

queen was not a much easier boss after silken either

i liked queen but gally is a joke compared

[fallow hinge]

queen was yucky

[craggy barn]

we unfort never got to queen

[glass mortar]

u didnt play survival last season right? survival was a banger on queen prog

[craggy barn]

we died on silken

[keen belfry]

look at this ks

[craggy barn]

so close

[fallow hinge]

we had 311 pulls on court to get the kill

[keen belfry]

holy

[fallow hinge]

wtf is that

[rigid basin]

I love getting KS'd into the stun shit lol

[fallow hinge]

KS to tank bombs?

[rigid basin]

Nah

[keen belfry]

ks just functions very weird

[fallow hinge]

ah

[keen belfry]

it legit sent me into stuns that werent even near the boss

[rigid basin]

The KS teleports you to anchor points based on where boss is standing/facing

It's hella hard to predict

But it's not random

[glass mortar]

its always behind him but its hard to tell exactly where it will be when hes stomping around yuea

and sometimes if the tanks flip him ull just suddenly teleport into a stun

doesnt actually rlly hurt tho its just annoying

[craggy barn]

yea

[glass mortar]

theres not many things thatll kill u in kspree on that fight but i will eat alot of piss damage during it

[fallow hinge]

probably a good job I'm not outlaw this season then

well, that and the whole we have WAY TOO MANY MELEE

[craggy barn]

playing outlaw on gally is so nice to having to play sin for mugze prog

[fallow hinge]

I'm MM for Gally again, apparently

:(

[rigid basin]

Tragic

[fallow hinge]

I think I'll stay void elf though

[glass mortar]

i feel like ranged would feel nicer on this fight then melee (unless ur doing bombs) but maybe thats just cause on my gally kill i got the rocket line 5 times in a row

[rigid basin]

Sometimes I /roll 3 what spec I'm gonna play xd

[glass mortar]

and i had to play it super cautiouslly because my RL was tired of people trying to jump it out last second

gallys a pretty chill fight either way tho

[fallow hinge]

that's good tbh

sometimes it's nice to have a chill fight

[rigid basin]

Yeah it's not bad at all

[fallow hinge]

and Gallywix is far more deserving of a pitiful whimper of a death than say, Xavius was

[craggy barn]

both are cartoon villains

both deserve cartoon deaths

[vivid vessel]

blizzard: "We wish more people played ptr to give feedback"
Also blizzard: Delete servers day one and cancel raid test, delete all ptr characters, second day of testing is 2k ms

[fallow hinge]

sounds about right

[glass mortar]

honestly they missed a chance for gally mythic to start some sort of hidden mythic phase when he dies, only for it to backfire and finish him off while u watch

i woulda appreciated it

but i agree gally didnt deserve to be a strong endboss

him dying to the mech falling on him was a nice little touch tho

[fallow hinge]

ye

[empty elbow]

ON PTR anyone having issues with Killiung spree not working with fatebound?

[glass mortar]

tails coin cancels it instantly if u flip it

it counts as a cast

fun feature rn

[empty elbow]

kek

[keen belfry]

is there a world we paly fatebound and ks?

[glass mortar]

i mean

[keen belfry]

asssuming that bug doesnt exist

[glass mortar]

if they bugfix it and buff ks by like 100%

[keen belfry]

oh ok

so no

[glass mortar]

ks was like a 0.7% dps gain for fatebound st build all expac so far (so not really considered)

they doubled the cd but did not double the damage on ptr

so even if it worked i dont think it would be a dps gain to talent over the alternatives anymore

[humble fox]

hi, i'm new to outlaw. is it a thing to macro ghostly strike on something else or do you just keep a separate keybind?

[fallow hinge]

it's a thing

[glass mortar]

!macro

[ornate heath]

Macroing gs is relatively "ok", be aware that it wont ever be entirely optimal: target swapping in m+ or putting it on a dying target for example. You can macro it to all your abilities.

[fallow hinge]

^

[humble fox]

tyty

[keen belfry]

look at T1 shouting out killing spree https://youtu.be/7okpGd21MGk?si=kKgDjfqwmF0Sn3cZ&t=271

[desert tendon]

dont ^ my homie cuh

i ll ^ you back

[fallow hinge]

^

[desert tendon]

😠

[fallow hinge]

[rigid basin]

🥕

[desert tendon]

all my homies will ^ you cuh

see, get carroted first

[keen belfry]

brb making a coffee rq

[fallow hinge]

can you make me one too pls

[keen belfry]

i can try

idk how to make 2

[fallow hinge]

ty

the same way you make one

but twice

[keen belfry]

can i vaccuum first

[fallow hinge]

is that part of your normal coffee routine?

[keen belfry]

not usually

[fallow hinge]

then no

[craggy barn]

id ask for one but i have a coffee right next to me

some of the new frost dk anims are kinda meh

@vivid vessel what did you do!!?!?!?!

[vivid vessel]

no idea

[craggy barn]

bruh

oh u added monk shit

wait no

second wind

warrior shit?

idfk

[vivid vessel]

IDK

DONT ASK ME

IT SAYS HERE

[craggy barn]

idc

[empty elbow]

for raid are you guys feeling better with FB or trickster?

[craggy barn]

zac

[fallow hinge]

Survival :3

[craggy barn]

i hate that ur mana bar doesnt anchor to suf

[glass mortar]

on live?

[craggy barn]

i have to change it every time

[vivid vessel]

you mean the healer mana bar ?

[glass mortar]

on ST fights u can play either they r close (altho fatebound basically requires kir to match tricksters st)

[craggy barn]

ye

[vivid vessel]

its under the bottom frame

[glass mortar]

anytime theres anything aoe u play trickster

[vivid vessel]

i think

isnt it

[craggy barn]

its default to not anchor

i know where it is on your screen

but my party frames are somewhere else

[vivid vessel]

ah you are right

i will anchor it

for next time

if i think about it

[craggy barn]

tyty

lol

[vivid vessel]

(i wont)

[craggy barn]

ik

i will keep having to manually fix it

[rigid basin]

Was about to say so never xdd

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel

this optional boss is super easy

we killed him insta

like 2 wipes only

[empty elbow]

eRR SORRY i measnt on PTR

we're doing raid testing and i feel like im not getting enough energy back,

[glass mortar]

try same stuff as live but swap sleight for loaded dice

[empty elbow]

gotcha

[vivid vessel]

ye sure

i have no idea

[glass mortar]

also probably maybe if ur trying to play ho u might drop supercharger and go back to s1 builds

[vivid vessel]

we have 5s delay on everything

[glass mortar]

lethality + 1/2 vigor

kinda up in the air rn tho

[proven ocean]

u guys pugging for sure or

[vivid vessel]

no?

[proven ocean]

guild or pug

[vivid vessel]

guild

we cant play tho

[proven ocean]

oh

[vivid vessel]

you guys arent lagging ?

[proven ocean]

ur not trying to kill it?

no?

[leaden folio]

us server

[vivid vessel]

we cant

lol

[proven ocean]

oh

[vivid vessel]

we have

people

[proven ocean]

we no lag atm

[vivid vessel]

that have 30s delay

30s

[proven ocean]

0 lag 0 delay

[leaden folio]

ptr alaways like 99999 ping

[vivid vessel]

btw

[proven ocean]

same as live

only lag i get is

like

[vivid vessel]

so

[proven ocean]

every 1 min i get 3 sec freeze

then becomes fine

[vivid vessel]

ye

well

[proven ocean]

the fight is super free ngl tho

[vivid vessel]

its unplayable for us

[proven ocean]

like its super easy

nothing to test imo

mechanics super straightforward

easiest mid raid fight in a rly long time

[fallow hinge]

blizzard: "we want more people to play ptr to test things"
also blizzard: doesn't make an eu environment for ptr and most of us don't test on there because of the ridiculous lag

[fossil lintel]

Oh you're lagging, I was wondering why it looked like we suck on the 3 boss council fight

[cinder relic]

I'm having 0 issues on NA

[late swallow]

Guy the type of guy to tip 20% at his local police station

[vivid vessel]

[cinder relic]

Guy the type of dude to tip his landlord

[craggy barn]

guy dobe that guy

[vivid vessel]

guy == noob

[fossil lintel]

You get 150ms on the city which is my usual

[vivid vessel]

bet guy is playing assa rn

no capo

[craggy barn]

well he cant use capo as assa

[cinder relic]

I played outlaw on first boss

[vivid vessel]

lies

[craggy barn]

HOLY

[cinder relic]

Played sub/sin on 2nd

gonna go back to outlaw

[vivid vessel]

both bosses are outalw bosses

[cinder relic]

Real

[vivid vessel]

isnt assa terrible actually

[craggy barn]

every boss is outlaw boss

[vivid vessel]

on that boss

cause like

[cinder relic]

Yes

[fossil lintel]

How's outlaw feeling on ptr raid testing?

[vivid vessel]

you are swapping target

a lot

they jump around

its weird a bitr

[vivid vessel]

no idea

its hard to say with 5000 ms

[cinder relic]

Sin has felt horrible on the first two yes

Fatebound feels very good

[vivid vessel]

trickster bosses tho

[cinder relic]

Uh maybe

Fatebound is tuned way higher rn

So even if "trickster is more aoe"

if the baseline of fb is so much higher, u still just play FB

same concept as S1

Ik u specifically like a lot of the complexity that comes with trickster, fatebound is super chill and the -30 on AR feels literally perfect for HO

I think KiR fatebound is the best build tho atm

[glass mortar]

well in s1 trickster was always stronger in aoe by a bit but u had to play ks

the ks thing will matter less now

but u do dumpy ur ST/boss damage playing it yea

[cinder relic]

Sure, but if FB is 20% higher on ST

then even if trickster is 10% better in aoe

if the baseline for FB is that much higher, it don't matter

U play FB

[glass mortar]

true, you'll just do much worse aoe on aoe bosses then u coulda done so u can do any st

[cinder relic]

Not saying those are the numbers exactly but u get the idea

[glass mortar]

its ok only w2 of ptr

tuning will happen

we pray

🙏

[cinder relic]

Yeah I mean rogue looks ass rn compared to like, hunter mage so

I suspect a lot of tuning to happen

and dev

Dev is still broken

[glass mortar]

dev is one of the best scaling specs in the game and it got so many base power buffs this season

its funny on early ptrs u can kinda see how much scaling would matter if they didnt tune between tiers

dev probably close to 2% dps per ilvl at this point

[fossil lintel]

I wouldn't mind fatebound meta as the new KS is kind of meh, I would just miss perma tricks

[stuck patrol]

They really wanted people to play it and not feel like they had to play aug lol

Maybe I'm just completely and utterly wrong, but I feel like without killing spree and the whole trickster loop, I feel like outlaw is a bit dull

Fatebound is just so boring man

[waxen acorn]

I mean new KS is basically almost perfect

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[keen belfry]

how would i make a WA that triggers off distract being used

[waxen acorn]

There's an argument to be made about the CD being too long but in terms of the design of the ability it's wayyyyyy better

[glass mortar]

i mean fatebound and the tier for it add nothing to the gameplay currently

[stuck patrol]

No the new killing spree is great, I'm saying this in response to the above where guy is basically saying KIR FB will be the pick

[glass mortar]

fatebound is just basic dragonflight outlaw

[waxen acorn]

yeah my response was targeted at the comment that the new KS is "meh"

[glass mortar]

which can be fine (its not because fatebound doesnt have enough shine to make up for being entirely passive 😠)

[mighty pivot]

what are you trying to achieve? You can have triggers which fire on spell casts

[stuck patrol]

Oh, I might have saw your post way late, my phone connection is shit on the location I'm in lmao

[keen belfry]

seeing if i can make a WA that triggers off me pressing distract then countsdown from 10

[mighty pivot]

very easy

[sullen wyvern]

guys if someone can explain why some tanks like to pull this over here close to the left where there's a lot of shit that blocks your pathing and not simply do the pull on the right where you have more room to move?

[keen belfry]

no work

[mighty pivot]

trigger: combat log -> spell -> cast success and select Distract and at the bottom set timed to 10

[keen belfry]

and how would i countdown from 10?

in say chat

[stuck patrol]

||https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxfNiBlpFLvD4dIh9GriRsuSI9oh4MLYkc?si=pTTPZ5ECiZi8j7C6||

I still think fatebound should be like this (warning, animated eye gore)

[glass mortar]

alternatively consider

OaB exploding lucky coin

[mighty pivot]

how often do you want it to send to say?

[glass mortar]

[keen belfry]

like, distract endingin 5 4 3 2 1

[stuck patrol]

IDK how they would animate it but it would be neat

[jolly geyser]

I should race change my rogue,havent since legion

no ally shit

[stuck patrol]

I changed my dwarf to a human the other day because I was sick of having all the new tier sets look like shit on dwarf models

[sudden fulcrum]

that's my problem with dwarf too

[cinder relic]

Female orc is the way to go

[stuck patrol]

That double hearthstone slaps

[fathom bramble]

imagine if racials gave no dps

[jolly geyser]

I havent been ally on retail,dont know shit

[abstract frost]

sin felt horrible ever since the introduction of VV

in raid

[jolly geyser]

I would be undead female

[cinder relic]

I love VV but also #subtlety

[fathom bramble]

difference between orc and tauren/dwarf is larger than the difference between ho/kir usually is

[frail veldt]

Fatebound would have to comically outperform trickster for it to beat it in AOE and m+

[tender wedge]

I play a human male because I can give him hair and it’s aspirational

[frail veldt]

Just due to bladeflurry buffed a ton on trickster

[fathom bramble]

only chance is if they change how one or both hero talents work with BF

or just give Fatebound innate aoe on the coins or something

[late swallow]

trynna find a girl built like a femorc

[stuck patrol]

IDK, it seems to be pretty far in st, it might just end up being easier playing FB with minimal loss, but we don't know the final numbers

[late swallow]

[jolly geyser]

must look good with mogs ye?

[frail veldt]

Well the coins flurry

[fathom bramble]

yeah

[frail veldt]

But losing 15% bfury damage just can't be competed with

[stuck patrol]

Guy just loves muscle mommies

[mighty pivot]

you can make a condition which checks remaining duration and as action sends a chat message e.g, "distract ending in %1.p". But you might have to do several ones unless WA provides a more convenient way to announce it

[frail veldt]

Or however much it is

[keen belfry]

i dont think distract has a buff/debuff

[fathom bramble]

I mean like replacing a node with "While blade flurry is active Fatebound Coin also damages all nearby enemies"

[jolly geyser]

Guy looking at rhea ripley

[fathom bramble]

instead of having it flurry

[vivid vessel]

ok

[stuck patrol]

Yeah but the effect lasts the same amount of time, can just make a timer from when it's used to whenever it ends based on the actual time

[vivid vessel]

@wintry solar

your dream

we cant use ranged spells

on that boss

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel bro this boss immune to BTE or what

[keen belfry]

my q is how to amek the timer

[proven ocean]

????????????

[vivid vessel]

ye

HAHA

[late swallow]

bro imagine getting tossed around by ripley

[mighty pivot]

when you set Timed to 10s, WA uses that 10s timer as progress

[vivid vessel]

cant use spells

ranged

or hwatever

time for no crackshot outlaw

[proven ocean]

re enter raid ppl said but id kyet

[soft shard]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[proven ocean]

[keen belfry]

it only sends one message, distracted for 10

[jolly geyser]

sounds fun,would hurt prolly

[stuck patrol]

Use distract on something, look at what the CD of distract is at when the effect is over, tie the weakaura to trigger when distract reaches that number on the CD

[mighty pivot]

!WA:2!Lw1YoUrrx44yKIKfcLX)Haj)riZisusgyuMbMGcInUDStgKh7H2EijSXU6Ul3DX0UQIQQ2xMDXlqbiHlEbpaEhsiwmpcZtqjlEcMf8amlynNQ62oxeZceZIEo1PoNVZL6C(CUAf7xmOyWtU(mIpJ2ILi8Xx5mIrn71tIv5oef8vjsfoyh0OZ(8de6zfJxAc1pIj2LrOkVkvB0UQ7CFgloGnK2AiHJ7E0IJvdcXroMa1DIsqcdXc5BCnrM4FDCIe3rAtHgO(4OzbyVKE9ApMJf3VA9DRTx9JLjE4byQQfCbz08ovk3QDNw7vPs1wTCuGLt9z99qQywiFfdEHykwq8BfXg2K21168SkwBkvNf6sHijl4KqjkpEmAmwm3MgCCCSjl6oXkUDGSWYGVRadb3T1UvRxFsqIaPim6QBCR5VuWowA)xLSIFQbwLa5VF3Plr)YtUlrAuQMMqZ6df4RaNjdWTtpVdla)BN5eO9Ifuu8xanniC)6j7JX8Yas(kxtcenfrj9TPYTDLkKqv7imsIBPeyAOk6C6IougfpFrc3X0Uesm8CeiNym10P1R50hrO103eCqVM(91FGED9AE9iuIm6vvdprsKYai8CbThxCiGS8tUOU4C4OhuTHcwcn4jxGxuHhP6iJqq34Hzdp8lzvA)0JjG0VJmtqV20L3T6vL8Z)cUxHfZeFwUC5YFCQwCCp7aOt59A3K))SkrjkMPF4)asGkYPmC8K0argHdSkF880H3hLLohzV3mKt6nwFUzcMcQS2GsNgnBuvxuafLXMzwd9TPrE4VPzvavXpFnb5GsFEcka6kOsTB)sf(Iin3QBite8abIp5bzcPjWaIK4fdloPzxhUP04RSDJgvD740SD7M74U99UF75lJAlYb4lLvmp8LcH5w7guZ9AxF7gv)Z5HXSH1e4Vobt9hV7RDR13CR0cZCXrMp3nBcj)eZjJ3Z9sukgT5aSa2rMzux3ov9MhAKxuvtnhQSSRCemYFVfAISwUm5Sihr83NILY8whB5JIX5DmIrwf1jWLRyJMd0GWIiVimjms9yNygkOMNcCGQUOB)KyfPGJzz4IAubx)yKuAKCKqJXiWppKlLZ4VS0zrVQkcnAMWo)A3dk4II5rO8BMqco86BPkFaBNgHF8Wdj00buWWchZfSqbubPmN38kN5SMLzZoWT134x4VdqUirH4fd3BSoVJI0FX5C8390mGlW(eZIE(JwyIzF1Dx3TB0EwaRtM2irMGBPRcoZVXPbyWyGQJ43rfb5BeWjnMx60STplOJzNUl)s)dMKk6ASmG)ENggX4qK)4o9IzWBV(wfCacevbNdyS(5CF(MZmfZFqkL2BN73))RscMhKrj2jaJp4WEcGNeiXGLP88IWt2ccvGx01KJUdTRYNKo9xZyU5b0Rvf3QvB4b0B9iHfeeQjm4i(fw8ZrM9AG(fbRAbrZb6cW9MC7JxHzgwrIv(lVMRFe2F)A6xp)KbibX4WX4rCs6wsBOADhGItWf3AvgV4Nk8Jq0qS8Yxt)0VrtZPhhPL83AbtFjmGmnSeHAFX0d1J08nBv(rAwE9GU6KCtGPkyJvn2bqsDB93AcT(70FVfE9tl(r6NLcUu)dw)tYzIdx)Jzyar8N0)SxmHUpuBVacGZFykkpBz6LKMHauphadOac6PVIZB(FX5n(358KfpuWpyUGGxFUIsVTwFJ7S(Dko4pE4Fp try this one. WAs can only send in Say inside instances though

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel bte works bte works

re enter raid

or maybe after he reset

its fine'

[fossil lintel]

It's far better than it was, yes, by miles. But it was probably one of the worst abilities in the game. New one is far from perfect though, has multiple issues still. Just because it's better than trash doesn't mean it's almost perfect.

[stuck patrol]

Gonna miss using old KS in pvp

[keen belfry]

dyeah this is what i have currently, it just doesnt update every second

[waxen acorn]

You press button, it does damage and you have full control of your character can use defensives and also use movement abilities

[stuck patrol]

It confuses tf out of people

[waxen acorn]

What else do you want it to do functionally?

[cinder relic]

Probably more damage, shorter channel

[inland acorn]

^

[fathom bramble]

^

[waxen acorn]

That’s just a tuning thing not necessarily a design problem

[mighty pivot]

does that one that I have sent you also not send every 1s? Because it does for me

[frail veldt]

Yeah the channel duration is pretty log

[cinder relic]

Deisgn wise KS is cool

Tuning wise KS is kinda butt on ptr seems like

[frail veldt]

It's a design issue if they don't change it haha

[fossil lintel]

Prio damage, shorter channel, resolve the mess that it leaves after with you having CP and a bunch of UB to dump

[vivid vessel]

longer cd bricked trickster tho

[glass mortar]

KS deserves a capstone tho

[frail veldt]

Also you still can't use kick during it

[glass mortar]

its time for a GSW replacement

[frail veldt]

So that's a design issue

[glass mortar]

make it buff gun based finishers

[fathom bramble]

a fixed duration or adjustments to the CP scaling would be nice

[glass mortar]

based on fth stacks spent or something

[fathom bramble]

so that a 10 CP KS isn't 5 base seconds long

[vivid vessel]

also it should hjust auto consume the ub it gives ..

[fossil lintel]

Also not have it waste cp if you supercharge

[waxen acorn]

5 second duration is only a problem if channeling for 5 seconds isn’t a damage gain

[frail veldt]

That'd be interesting

[glass mortar]

GSw replacement that reduces the cast time and increases the damage of ur next kspree by 10% for every 3 FtH stacks spent, stacking up to 6 times

[frail veldt]

Just strikes with UB

Instead of giving free resets

[cinder relic]

Even if it did 500m dps I wouldn't really want a 5 sec channel at all time yk

[fossil lintel]

I suggested that on the forum, would be so nice to go KS -> coup coup

[covert kestrel]

ryu punching air rn

[glass mortar]

idk we have two dedicated "cd" gun based finishers now

[fossil lintel]

Unfortunately the forum thread devolved into a proper wow forum thread

[glass mortar]

i think a GSW node that interacts with fth to buff bte and kspree in some way would be great

could be tricksters replacement for ghostly strike

(who wants to play this ability now a day)

[keen belfry]

oo i got it,ty

[frail veldt]

Yeah just feels out of place on the spec

Variable channel length is also just weirdge

I'm all for a couple gcd break

But 5 seconds is obscene

[fathom bramble]

5 GCD break at 25% haste during AR with supercharger

[waxen acorn]

Maybe it’s just I’ve gotten used to channels with monk/evoker but also the only thing that sucked about channels is not being able to move or use other abilities

[late swallow]

does mind numbing poison affect KS cast time

[frail veldt]

It might

[keen belfry]

@mighty pivot so the timed duration setting kinda sets a timer from when ithats casted?

[fathom bramble]

does mind numbing effect melee haste?

[frail veldt]

But prob not

[inland acorn]

Supercharged KS actually longer than hard-casting pyroblast

[fathom bramble]

or just spell haste

[frail veldt]

Mind numbijg does yeah

[fathom bramble]

is there even spell haste anymore 🤔

[frail veldt]

It reduces dot tick rate

From bleeds

[glass mortar]

Psure it's the longest cast in the game

[cinder relic]

I don't inhereently disagree with outlaw having an eye beam, or a FOF, or whatever else, the issue is just how long it is rn

[late swallow]

i wanna see a mind numbing KS

[frail veldt]

It's not much

[waxen acorn]

I can get with that but I just see that as tuning more than anything

[frail veldt]

10% I think

Mind numbing has been giga nerfed in pvp

[late swallow]

shit

[mighty pivot]

yes that way you set a custom timer from the moment the cast succeeds. Similar to if it had a buff/debuff

[inland acorn]

Also I find it weird, that it's technically like frontal cone, but it hits 1 random target

[fathom bramble]

I think the only combat spell longer is Arms warrior bladestorm

[waxen acorn]

Changing the scaling/channel time/CD doesn’t end up changing the function just how well it does or doesn’t interact with the rest of the kit

[fathom bramble]

unless they have a way to shorten it that I don't see here

[glass mortar]

Does something extend bladestorm?

My arms is 3.6 s

[waxen acorn]

I raise you Disintegrate

Since you chain it until you’re out of essence lmao

[fathom bramble]

casting it more than once doesn't count

[rigid basin]

How long is hard casting pyro xd

[fathom bramble]

idk tooltip is 6 seconds base

[fathom bramble]

4 seconds base

[rigid basin]

Also gpie is that still a thing

[glass mortar]

Yea thats odd

[waxen acorn]

When it’s the only thing you cast 60% of the time I think it counts especially since you lose nothing chaining it

[fathom bramble]

how much haste do you have?

wowhead might just be wrong and have arms at 6 when it's 4 for fury and arms

or something

[glass mortar]

Idk I'll need to recheck my guys only level 76

So it can't be that much haste

[fossil lintel]

Hard to compare anything we have with evoker, because you're comparing the highest apm spec with the lowest. The spec will attract people interested on it's gameplay, so most people here probably enjoy the high apm.

[frail veldt]

Yeah I think that's he old one

[stuck patrol]

IDK I feel like the channel should be very short, and the CD should be short, maybe very short but not on restless blades

[fathom bramble]

gpie is also 4 seconds base

[rigid basin]

Oh, I thought it was long lmao

[fossil lintel]

If tomorrow they turned evoker into a 70apm machine, a lot of existing evoker players would complain

[stuck patrol]

It should be less disruptive and more of a generator/something that causes other effects over it being a big damage button

[fathom bramble]

yeah there's a different one that is much shorter for both specs

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel how does this boss work

im confused

[fathom bramble]

I guess that's the real one

[vivid vessel]

put walls behind

[rigid basin]

Kill it dead?

[vivid vessel]

break walls

if 5 walls dead i think

idk

nothing going on

[proven ocean]

5 walls behind each other?
or

what

[vivid vessel]

ye the arrow put the walls on top of each other

[fathom bramble]

been a long time since I actually logged into a warrior

[vivid vessel]

does lines

[fossil lintel]

Are you using new tier for these or old one?

[wintry solar]

Sounds like a nightmare wdym

[waxen acorn]

def hasted

[cinder relic]

Depends on how pedantic you want to get, but I do agree with u

I can confirm Bladestorm is hasted

[waxen acorn]

it'll be under 4 seconds with actual lust

[proven ocean]

how so

like u can make them to be rly close?

[cinder relic]

Boss makes walls, if walls are near the boss it enrages

Spread out, and break walls

[vivid vessel]

thats what i said

zeross

[proven ocean]

ye i understand

[vivid vessel]

you got it now ?

easy

wall

break

wall

[proven ocean]

idk im seeing u guys keeping mid no walls at all

or almost none atleast

[fossil lintel]

They are waiting for the long piece

[cinder relic]

walls are wide so u stick them on a side

[vivid vessel]

ye we keep one spot safe

[fathom bramble]

well if it is base 6 seconds then it's the only spell in the game other than KS that is over 4 I think

seems like every other spell known for being long is either 4 seconds or less

[fossil lintel]

Zac can you show your damage breakdown after?

[waxen acorn]

The new KS is not hasted correct?

[rotund pulsar]

recommend not macroing it

[fathom bramble]

it is

[fossil lintel]

It is hasted

[fathom bramble]

I'm exclusively stating the base numbers on everything

but everything is hasted

[undone summit]

is wowa decent for OL?

[vivid vessel]

@gaunt phoenix

coins

[fossil lintel]

Yeah that is my experience

[proven ocean]

ya coins op

[fossil lintel]

Tails is like busted with the new tier

[proven ocean]

fatebound way better than trickster imo

[vivid vessel]

ye in st

it is

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel can u show tlaents

[vivid vessel]

but thats like

[proven ocean]

i think m+ too idk

[vivid vessel]

way obvious

[waxen acorn]

So what's the in practice duration?

[vivid vessel]

eeeh

idk about m+

trickster is kinda very ahead in aoe baseline

[fossil lintel]

.4s per cp

[fathom bramble]

if you are sitting at our haste cap(25%) then it's 20% shorter

[frank finch]

zac show ur gear

[fathom bramble]

some of the other specs mentioned stack haste past that and get their own long spells much shorter

[fossil lintel]

Current gear with just the new tier set?

[vivid vessel]

ye

and trinkets

[fossil lintel]

Is everyone doing that or are other people using new shit?

[vivid vessel]

idk i think the cloak you need to farm delves

i cba a bit

[fossil lintel]

You can buy a bunch of off pieces as well on the vendor

[proven ocean]

idk if that matters

if st is huge

thats already giga big

KS feels like shit idk

[vivid vessel]

well it does matter

[proven ocean]

have to test

[vivid vessel]

will have to see

i mean

it is very shit

[proven ocean]

st is a huge time gain

so

like

[vivid vessel]

trickster gameloop is just borked now also so

[proven ocean]

monk to vdh st is like 1 min keytimer already

so

[vivid vessel]

ok well

if you do 0 aoe