outlaw

[dim widget]

I would prefer glyph to make us pull akimbo uzis and start spraying

[rustic lotus]

GIVE IS BOTH

us*

[wintry solar]

my stealthless adr uptime is really high as well. Maybe Bac will have his time

[rustic lotus]

I mean tbh if they do give us a glyph to change KS it will be like “ur bullets are now Azerite munitions”

Dragon breath munitions would be cool too

[wintry solar]

KS has that now tbh

[mighty pivot]

how about a glyph to use dual berettas 92

[worldly shale]

what in the venthyr is dk set

[wintry solar]

I knew I wasnt crazy

it reeks of venth

which is cool and all but its weird

[rustic lotus]

Yah a lot of tier sets aren’t that good

I AM HOWEVER PLAYING HOLY/RET THIS PATCH

[wintry solar]

im sticking to outlaw/DK

[rustic lotus]

as well as outlaw and mistweaver

[wintry solar]

like the 2 trick I am

[rustic lotus]

The monk set also kinda whack

I can see they were going for a shaolin warrior monk thing but man

They kinda screwed the pooch. Which is nuts cuz this monk tierset was kinda godlike

[pliant wind]

i want outlaw main gauche plus unseen blades BMBAMBAMBAMBAMAMABM

[haughty wigeon]

https://tenor.com/view/overwatch-overwatch-league-gladiators-gladiator-los-angeles-gladiators-gif-13574662

[worldly shale]

warrior tierset is bussin

[wintry solar]

@cedar kernel maybe you''ll have a great time next season :D

[haughty wigeon]

Imma be real

I don’t like the ret to
Er set

Doesn’t match anything

[rustic lotus]

I’m a simp for the aesthetic

[worldly shale]

pala is cool

[haughty wigeon]

It’s cool on its own

[dim widget]

This will be in my ptr feedback

Make ks go brr with that gif

[haughty wigeon]

But tiers that don’t match with others make it poop for me

[worldly shale]

pala tierset from normal matches

[rustic lotus]

Holy warrior is always gunna hit me in the wallet no kizzie

[worldly shale]

how doesnt this scream paladin for u XD

[rustic lotus]

I might play dwarf

[haughty wigeon]

It does

[rustic lotus]

I have a zandalari paladin and I’m sick of that shit

[haughty wigeon]

Just we have nothing that also matches it

For unique tmogs

[rustic lotus]

I was gunna choose LFdrenai or Dwarf

[haughty wigeon]

The mythic version

[worldly shale]

BRO WE MIGHT NOT BE THE WORST SET

DID YALL SEE HUNTER

[haughty wigeon]

You can mix and match with I guess lfr undermine

[worldly shale]

🤣

[haughty wigeon]

And lfr most tiger set

[rustic lotus]

Shaman helm also looks mad sick

I think mage low keys Garbonzo

[worldly shale]

WHAT IS THIS XD

[rustic lotus]

Ah yes leaning into the alleria fanfic

[dim widget]

Yes fuck hunter

If I was dev I would replace BM and mm with survival

All three specs would be survival

Deal with it

[worldly shale]

priest is cool

[rustic lotus]

Also tell me why evoker set still can’t be seen in dragon form

[worldly shale]

holy shaman is cool af

[rustic lotus]

Yea I’m playing paladeen

[wintry solar]

palapeen

[rustic lotus]

Yessir

I can’t wait to see the tank halfway thru his grouping of 5 packs and I just go “good enough” activates wings

Can’t wait to die and go “?? tank? ffs”

Oh there’s a leaver buster in s3 now

[dim widget]

Nobody activates wings anymore

Stop living in the past grandpa

[rustic lotus]

Holy really? LMAO

[dim widget]

Na

You press ashes and hammer and shit

But wings is procc

[rustic lotus]

Oh

[obsidian walrus]

think im gonna stick to demo/outlaw next patch

[rustic lotus]

Alright I’ve never really played Rey

[obsidian walrus]

maybe warr

[rustic lotus]

Ret

[dim widget]

Idk about prot and holy

But ret doesn't press it anymore

[rustic lotus]

I’ve only played prot

Sick

Less button bloat 🙃

[dim widget]

Ye man ret was so complicated

[rustic lotus]

Too many things to keep track of tbh

[dim widget]

I wish they would just combine verdict and storm, having to check if I am hitting one or more than one mob is really nerv racking

[rustic lotus]

Honestly

[dim widget]

Can't focus on my glowy buttons that way

[rustic lotus]

Tbh I’m just gunna be using one button assistant anyway

[worldly shale]

i was outlaw/frost dk this season

no idea what im doing next season

[dim widget]

You will continue rolling your boners and frosting your pillar, just harder

[rustic lotus]

Lock set kinda baller tho

The helm atleast

[wintry solar]

I think Roll The Bone spam for HO is gone :(

[worldly shale]

ye i like lock set too

[worldly shale]

imagine playing ho

[wintry solar]

I play ho and kir

[worldly shale]

[wintry solar]

because I have too many things going on for me to hate one or the other

I am a better person for playing both

[dim widget]

I also play both

[rustic lotus]

I switched to kir in s1 and never looked back

[dim widget]

But I enjoy ho more

[wintry solar]

I enjoy HO m ore currently for the rtb spam

but its looking like a kir angle next season

[dim widget]

Also pressing SS in subter is weird

[wintry solar]

it really is

idk if I'll ever get over it

[obsidian walrus]

what are first thoughts about the tier sets ?

[wintry solar]

my first thought was

[livid pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-happy-dog-dog-happiest-dog-super-happy-gif-17885812

imagine u didnt hop on the HO hype train this season and kept playin KIR

[rustic lotus]

That’s me

[wintry solar]

"why is my adr uptime on my stealthless build ~80%"

[rustic lotus]

I STILL GOT TIME I CAN STILL CHECK IT OUT

[wintry solar]

and then it dawned on me that fatebound is crazy

[obsidian walrus]

is that trickster or fate ?

[wintry solar]

crazyyyyy

fate

[rustic lotus]

Oh wait is stealthless an option?

Interesting

[wintry solar]

I doubt it

I was just testing for uptime

[obsidian walrus]

think we go trickster again

[rustic lotus]

I like infinite tricks

[obsidian walrus]

with the coup change

[wintry solar]

same

[rustic lotus]

The only gripe I have was being locked into KS

But now ks is not bait

So I’m cool with it

The only thing fatebound really had was quad grapple and that’s overkill

[obsidian walrus]

yea maybe they will tune it alittle before season is out but the change think its good

[rustic lotus]

I only used quad grapple to beat ppl to the bridge after first boss of ara kara and spend that 6secs saying “Imagine not having 4 long range dashes”

[wintry solar]

same tbh

that or going across dornogal

or The Den

[mighty pivot]

I used it to style on losers with low mobility and then do 0 damage because I was FB in a key

there are very few situations where quad grapple felt useful, it takes like 2-3 finishers to get a charge back anyway

you can light many candles in DFC i guess

[wintry solar]

it is cool though

super strong in battlegrounds if your the flag carrier

[obsidian walrus]

btw is worth going void elf over orc as a rogue overall?

[livid pewter]

the answer is dwarf

[mighty pivot]

play whatever looks cooler

if you wanna be a big kultiran mommy you do that king 💅

[livid pewter]

since he is asking to aim for the "best" overall he def dont care about the beauty stuff haha

[mighty pivot]

depends, he could be asking if the gap between races is large enough to disregard looks

[livid pewter]

if so, he never read any pins or guides

[mighty pivot]

as is tradition in RH

[wintry solar]

who does?

too much work

would rather interact with the community

[mighty pivot]

reading is for nerds, just make guides with cat pictures

[livid pewter]

just ask Chatgpt for de detailed answer lmao

[mighty pivot]

what if chatgpt was trained by ryukage?

[livid pewter]

i didnt think about that holy shid

u opened my eyes

thats why no fkin code from chatgpt worked for my WA's

[wintry solar]

make chatgpt watch demolition man

[obsidian walrus]

any cool swords for outlaw ?

proc weps and similar ?

[wintry solar]

the dungeons in bfa have some

oh nvm

thought you meant for mog

[worldly shale]

am using katanas

although hidden app is cool af too

got the 1k kill one, amazing stuff

[novel timber]

new KS is kinda weird with it hitting random targets but at least it doesn’t kill us

[daring oxide]

@gaunt phoenix I was thinking with the new KS,

On PTR I was using RTB with sc and then using KS at 4cp and it feels worth, since then it’s 7cp and makes it faster to get KS off then straight into another finisher when it gives back 7cp

A 10cp KS doesn’t though

Feels absolute waste

What they could also do is prevent KS from consuming sc

Would be a simple fix

[mighty pivot]

it would still give you overkill CP

[daring oxide]

Huh?

[mighty pivot]

if it ignored SC, sending a 7cp KS would give you 7 CP, but you'd also get 1-2 back from ruthlessness wasting 1-2 CP always

[daring oxide]

I see

Maybe we get a way to bank CP 😁

Or

[wintry solar]

anticipation???

[daring oxide]

Using KS at 7cp or more gives us another stack of SC ???

[wintry solar]

in 2025????

[daring oxide]

Lmao anticipation would make sense now

For this new KS

Bring it backkkkk

[mighty pivot]

combat is back one step at a time

instead of banking CPs I would rather it did extra damage if you were at max CP

[old gull]

Would love if it turned into a nice lil burst cd

[wintry solar]

I think thats what its going to be tbh

[old gull]

Yea that’s cool

[wintry solar]

idk if youve seen this

but I think thats the plan

[old gull]

Nah ty

[daring oxide]

I did not see that

Ok that sounds good

If there’s going to be tuning to amp the damage then will be very worth

[mighty pivot]

they want to rethink disorienting strikes if that's the plan

[weary cargo]

How u rate new tier set bonus ? For trickster

Bigger uptime on AR and rolls by coup de grace, but dmg of UB is low ?

[red zinc]

yo any meepers in the chat

[red zinc]

Ub damage isnt the value of it, flawless form stacks will increase greatly from double coup

[granite merlin]

I used to use quad grapple in season 1 the dungeon with the end boss who did the suck in

[red zinc]

As well as the extra cdr feeding into more vanishes/ar/etc

[gaunt phoenix]

Ub damage is good tho

[granite merlin]

Someone would steal my glue and I would quad grapple back up the hall and out of range of the full suck in

[weary cargo]

Ok, we will see how it will sim 🤘🫡

[vale warren]

Does ks give double cps with broadside

[wintry solar]

Guy only thought we had too many resources

[mighty pivot]

no

[vale warren]

Damn

[mighty pivot]

what do you wanna do with 20cp?

[vale warren]

Not that it'd matter anyway

[vale warren]

10 second ks

[mighty pivot]

make KS a toggle

[granite merlin]

With one button rotation should have 30 second ks

Beat me to it

[mighty pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/kururin-kuru-kuru-herta-herta-sippining-honkai-star-rail-gif-6255874111095877274

[wintry solar]

I wanted that :/

but

at least it wont kill me now

[mighty pivot]

no more flying boat incidents

[fossil pagoda]

on which items should i put the elemental focus embell?

[worldly shale]

matters not, i have them on cloak and chest i think

[fossil pagoda]

thank you

[mighty pivot]

it only matters if you multispec really

[worldly shale]

even then its miniscule, u play ascendance banding on assa if u got dagger craft no?
sub stays with 2 elementals

[mighty pivot]

no I mean because of the limitation of 2 equipped at a time plus possible item swaps

[red zinc]

They shouldve just made old ks infinite, if you never leave ks you can never die

[daring oxide]

@mighty pivot I was thinking about what you were saying earlier regarding wasting CPs due to KS and ruthlessless, I think we shouldn't care too much about this, we do waste CPs often anyways, especially with ADR giving us max CP and we use that after a finisher to refill

Also if Realz decides to bump up the CD and Damage as well, then it'll get to the point where KS becomes a top damage button/cd to press and there would be no benefit to cancelling it during the channel due to the DPS it would provide

I'm sure they'd bump up the damage enough to make the DPS gain worth to even use it with SC

and if they dont, then we have something to think about regards to RTB rerolling, and not pressing RTB when we would use KS within the next 2 finishers for example

[mighty pivot]

I doubt they want to make the spec more complicated, so it's veeery unlikely they want us to head that way with RTB

[daring oxide]

I think those plans are for after this tier

right now Outlaw is absolute peak gameplay for some

KS update locked that in

no more teleporting madness

and the new animation looks super sick

dopamine overdrive honestly

[mighty pivot]

and yes we do waste resources a lot, HO does it even more with its generators, but it still feels strange to have an ability that gives you more than max resources unless they think of it as a compensation for pressing it on lower CPs

[daring oxide]

triple outlaw going guns blazing

[daring oxide]

i mean if you press it at 5cp, you are going to get 6cp

press at 6cp and you will get 7cp etc

so i think its nice

[rigid basin]

I so look forwards to this ngl

[daring oxide]

and if u press at 4cp with SC

you'll guarantee 7cp

so i think its good

gives you flexibility

[daring oxide]

same, gonna look amazing when we all KS and just blasting away at the pack

so happy with these changes ❤️

[rigid basin]

I like the animation, but it looks almost like a frontal, I wonder if was just cuz of the vids position

[worldly shale]

its not vids position, i tried it on ptr

it does feel like a frontal

[wintry solar]

it hits random targets

gotta like

[mighty pivot]

let's see what they touch on it the coming weeks

[wintry solar]

get in there

[mighty pivot]

the animation could very well be a placeholder

[wintry solar]

lowkey hope they look at resources, its a bit much

[obsidian walrus]

hope our tunning is good so outlaw is relevant

[smoky lotus]

Make sure to jump and do a 360 for a no scope shot

[wintry solar]

strafing makes you look like Neo

the animation is better when youre moving

[mighty pivot]

I agree, but I don't expect major changes on that before midnight

[wintry solar]

yeah prolly

sounds like a new expac angle

[mighty pivot]

this is how it looks with many targets around you

[gilded sinew]

Since we are already in it, what is the chance of blizzard revamping our mastery?

Being one of the specs which scales poorly with stats hurts every expansion end

[late swallow]

Probably pretty low

[mighty pivot]

midnight angle too

[late swallow]

I doubt they’re doing such a deep dive right now

[fossil pagoda]

the new disc brakes my stealth.. did someone have a macro for it ?

[candid locust]

check pins?

[late swallow]

#assassination message

[candid locust]

/cancelaura Charged Bolts
/cast Stealth

[fossil pagoda]

thanks

[low sinew]

I'm gonna miss current KS

[cedar kernel]

what happen popo

[wary bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/jimmy-butler-jimmy-butler-paper-confused-gif-14478007832172093541

[wintry solar]

read the message that was a reply to

[cedar kernel]

lets funking go

[dark ermine]

Hope new KS animation has carrots like coup used to have

[wary bridge]

What are your thoughts on the tier bonuses?

[wintry solar]

I havent even looked at those yet lol

oops

[vivid vessel]

Bro I'm so hyped !

I wanna play 11.2

[wintry solar]

oh yeah Ihave. I thought I was in acherus

love the bonuses

[rigid basin]

I was debating if I wanted to push io next tier, now I 1000% am lmao

[glass mortar]

We can't choose not to tho

[rigid basin]

KS was so tilting

[crisp condor]

Get ready to hard spam the new dungeon on PTR on Monday

[glass mortar]

That's an important factor

[haughty moat]

wait am i dreaming? no way, this isreal

[wintry solar]

5 billion dollars to Outlaw immediately!

[leaden folio]

I mean

rework KS is great

[haughty moat]

double coup bug as 4 set is wild

[leaden folio]

but the rotation is pretty sad

we have already played those tww , and I dont like tazavesh

[thick pelican]

At this point, they can remove our sword, we don't use them anymore

[wintry solar]

you need them to killing spree.... somehow

counter weight probably

[daring oxide]

I just mostly think that wasting CP isn't that big a deal as outlaw, especially if the plan could be to tune KS to just straight up do giga damage with higher cd

[glass mortar]

It's cp wastage u can choose to avoid tho

While still building to max with it

The things ur describing ur options are not build to full, or overcap

[daring oxide]

yeah you can just cancel at 7cp

[glass mortar]

So its a bit different

[rigid basin]

OH gun inc

[daring oxide]

but if we use KS at 4cp with SC

then its sorta efficient, ignoring ruthlessness

but if KS is tuned to be our highest dps gcd

then using KS at 10cp

doesn't matter at all

[glass mortar]

The thing is only 1 spell is higher dpet then kspree

[daring oxide]

regardless of waste

[glass mortar]

So ud likely only cancel for that

[daring oxide]

yeah then its just a tuning thing i guess

[vivid vessel]

Btw the animation is the gun from plunder storm no?

[cedar kernel]

yea kinda like

[wary bridge]

From combat rogue to one piece is real👀

[crisp condor]

Lost ark gunslinger

Or LoL samira

[severe grove]

I am ready

[wintry solar]

I wonder how all of this will age

[thick pelican]

Like a fine milk

[wintry solar]

Like milk that's in the fridge

[inner meadow]

anyone got a clue about which trinkets we gon use next season?

[rigid basin]

Inb4 the unretcon the pirate fantasy part of the apec

[wary bridge]

Farm ara kara once again

[crisp condor]

Buff to KS so we don't cancel if at 7CP followed by an Enhancement style-25% all damage

[civic void]

Put it on a wheel and let it decide

[rigid basin]

Sacbrood/pacemaker, maybe soleahs since people liked to 5 stack that

[civic void]

Btw why do people all think sacbrood is locked in when it was super strong mostly for the haste tax

I don't get it

[rigid basin]

I mean main stat is really strong, it was simming well for me even at haste req

[hybrid crown]

I think in s1 it was a bit of a sim trap right? It was only bis if you used it to hit the haste cap for kir

[rigid basin]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[hybrid crown]

I played HO and it wasn't amazing for me

[civic void]

Well yeah but surely there will be other trinket with main stat

[fathom whale]

What’s the tldr am I playing outlaw or am I playing a brew monk. Surely KS looks mad and blasts

[hybrid crown]

Yeah

[vivid vessel]

It wasn't even that good of a trinket kekw

Idk

[rigid basin]

Iono I was playing KiR and assa

[civic void]

If anything I don't expect it to be a pick

[glass mortar]

Probably won't need sacblood based on all the haste on jewelery so far

[rigid basin]

It is a lot of verse haste next tier ye?

Wonder what flat damage trinkets were getting next tier

Those prolly will be high in the list

[obsidian walrus]

its so bad that outlaw scales so bad with stats

its always a bad thing at the and of a exp

[rigid basin]

Yeah a little unfortunate, we play gun rogue anyways tho

[obsidian walrus]

and we have not gotten a lego yet

REEEEE

[rigid basin]

Flintlock lego

[obsidian walrus]

maybe a cool sword or something

[low sinew]

Who needs stats when you have gun anyways

[obsidian walrus]

you if they dont tune things right and we do bottom dmg XD

[low sinew]

Jokes on you

I'm gonna do bottom damage anyways

[rigid basin]

All I ask is for another MC fight + Beacon boss

[obsidian walrus]

hahahahha

[fathom whale]

Why don’t they just make us a short ranged gun spec

[rigid basin]

I wish to be toxic during prog

[obsidian walrus]

ew no

[daring oxide]

Zac my boy u happy?

[vivid vessel]

Hm

[mighty pivot]

sorry he hates everything

[edgy phoenix]

zac dooming in progress

[vivid vessel]

• it's an alright animation
• it's better than old ks
• guns are cool
  Minus
• cast is way tooooo long
• can't kick can't cc during it
• the cp gen is weird cause trickster want to build after ks not finish
• duration is still scaling up with cps spent instead of down which feels like a punishment for outlaw
• the animation while it's alright, I feel like it's kinda slow and clunky, feels more like an animation for graves in league while every other animation we have are quick and snappy like fiora
• why rng target, that just means the damage is wasted a lot of times, think about pulling mobs into bosses etc

Overall I'm ok, I can live with it probably, hopefully they at least reduce cast time

[wintry solar]

I think they want you to KS and then immediately cdg

[vivid vessel]

That's not possible lol

You get ub procs from ks

[edgy phoenix]

but can u live with assa being meta

[vivid vessel]

You proc coup after ks not before

Idc about meta this has nothing to do with tuning

[wintry solar]

true

[daring oxide]

I agree with the points u made, but I'm not so worried about the minus stuff cos I think those things can be fixed easily as Realz said they'll be looking for feedback on the new KS

[vivid vessel]

I'm always worried about stuffs that "can be fixed"

You know me

[daring oxide]

things like reducing the overall channel duration (perhaps bringing it back to 0.3secs per attack, rather than 0.5)

yeah of course

its still hasted at least

[vivid vessel]

Ptr is there for feedback that's when we should complain about these stuffs

After it's too late

[wintry solar]

can and will are totally different

[thick pelican]

As long as it doesn't randomely shot mobs outside of combat in m+ im fine

[vivid vessel]

Ah ye

Another minus

Why random mobs

[daring oxide]

yeah, regarding the animation, if they made it 0.3 seconds per attack, it'll feel really fast and spammy again (animation wise)

[thick pelican]

outside of combat i mean. Risk of pulling extra mobs

[mighty pivot]

even in combat

why random at all

[daring oxide]

hmm

[vivid vessel]

That just means in a lot of scenarios the damage of the ability itself is basically useless cause it goes to mobs that don't matter

[daring oxide]

I haven't had a chance to test it properly but the range is only melee im pretty sure

[vivid vessel]

Think about chewie in cinder for example

[daring oxide]

i need to do that today

move out of melee range while channeling KS

[thick pelican]

Who cares, with flurry it hit everyone

[daring oxide]

see what happens

[vivid vessel]

Pressing ks at full cp on chewie, you are wating all the damage

Then you goo boss you pull mobs into boss

[mighty pivot]

prio damage

[vivid vessel]

Same thing

All the ks damage is wasted

[loud wing]

KS REDESIGN LETSGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[mighty pivot]

I did post all that in the us forum of 11.2 PTR so at least it's there if they are readers

[vivid vessel]

Post what

[mighty pivot]

the issues with the current rework

[vivid vessel]

I see

[fathom whale]

we must unite our little voices into one big voice

[cedar kernel]

KS can proc Mastery still

i am quite suprise about that

[vivid vessel]

Imma try to make a us account to post aswell

Annoys me everytime that I can't

[mighty pivot]

it was very easy to level to 10 tbh

[vivid vessel]

How long

[cedar kernel]

my acc can post on NA

and i didnt use it for a long time

zac lord if u want i can help

[mighty pivot]

let me check /played one sec

[vivid vessel]

Nah it's fine bac

It happens every tier

I need to do it once and for all

[fathom whale]

What are the odds they actually listen to the feedback and change it though

[mighty pivot]

43 minutes played but I was afk too for part of it

[daring oxide]

@vivid vessel we could ask @glass mortar to post for us again like he did last tier

[wintry solar]

its not like they completely ignore feedback altogether

[cedar kernel]

i have some idea for next season by testing, like i feel the CDR is so fast, could we save 3 stacks of FTH for double coup, when the coup stack is >=2 in case we dont have BF, so after the first coup send we can PS - 2nd Coup for higher dmg

[civic void]

I mean the way they view how the spell fits in the design could be different than what people in here want but they did ask for feedback so it will be read at least

[mighty pivot]

KS being changed is them listening to feedback to begin with

[daring oxide]

AYE

aye

KS rework itself is a huge feedback response

[fathom whale]

Very true, I’m not saying they don’t listen to feedback, I love this spec. I just am not well versed on ptr changes and stuff of the sorts.

[daring oxide]

so saying they dont respond to feedback is nooba at this point

i think the problem we have is getting a response to our feedback

knowing its been acknowledged

at that instance

rather than a change that comes months later

its hard to tell if they have an opinion or anything about our feedback

[fathom whale]

That’s what I meant

[daring oxide]

some classes do get developer notes blue posts

as a response to their forum feedback

but its rare for us to get it thats all

NA or EU forums for the feedback post?

[vivid vessel]

Idk about that, they have an history of dropping changes on ptr and then not using ptr to fix the issues/respond to feedback

So

[civic void]

yeah well it sucks but it's not particularly an indication they didn't read it

[cedar kernel]

I WANT TO DO DG WHERE IS HEALER

[glass mortar]

eh

rcent history tho?

brother i feel like theyve recooked changes they made on ptr like a dozen times over this expac so far

for mages/hunters/shamans

theres a few things theyve missed but largely they seem to be responding pretty well to feedback

with changes they make

[crystal hearth]

Hey could i ask which effect we want to play from the new belt

[daring oxide]

#outlaw message

[vivid vessel]

For rogue definitely

Hero talents got 0 iterations based on feedback

Similar with tier sets

[glass mortar]

yes it wasnt our turn

[vivid vessel]

They just dropped stuffs

[glass mortar]

im not saying they r doing this to everyone at once

theres clearly a squad tho

thats doing

several classes at a time

and when they do real changes they iterate on them a ton

[vivid vessel]

Ok well

[glass mortar]

i hope they expand that out to everyone

maybe it wont be us

could be tho

[vivid vessel]

We only have ks rn so

[granite merlin]

Less people play rogue 😄

[vivid vessel]

It's probably not us again

So this doesn't really

Help your point weran

[glass mortar]

and realz did ask us to give feedback on the forums directly

thats about as hopeful as u can get idk

[vivid vessel]

We will see

[glass mortar]

ya of course

[late swallow]

@realzz love u

[glass mortar]

i mean the worst case scenario (we get this longer kspree at 1.5m cd no changes at all) is still infinity better then live so

its w/e

im already pretty happy

but it can be improved

[civic zephyr]

i mean its just time for zac to take his ass onto an NA account to argue it for us ig, cos all the points he made are right

[glass mortar]

forum feedback 👏

gunna make a post after work today

[civic zephyr]

ZAC GO LEVEL A CHAR ON NA

[glass mortar]

if anyone wants to crosspost to NA i can post for them on the feedback thread as well

ive done it for @daring oxide b4

[rotund depot]

I’m sure Mafic already threw some bangers up there

[cedar kernel]

we cant proc the boss

wtf

[civic zephyr]

its mainly the points zac made seemingly, it arguably should still be single target, with flurry spread instead of random, lower cast time, and they need to figure out the cp building in it cos its counter productive to what the build actually does since we typically want to build out of ks rather than finisher

[wintry solar]

scared to look at forums. Might see a bunch of "THIS KILLING SPREE SUCK THE OLD ONE WAS BETTER RAHHHHH"

[cedar kernel]

cuh

[civic void]

How many "bring back combat rogue lol" post you bet on ?

[frank bane]

At least 4.

[cedar kernel]

we cant start the boss fight idk what the problem

[wintry solar]

THE NEXT TIME i CHECK, i THINK THERES GONNA BE 6

Caps

[vivid vessel]

Ok but, think about the whole picture tho, you aren't forced to play killing spree on live, it doesn't even exist, and suddenly they drop this, would we really be happy

[glass mortar]

if i was suddenly forced to play it? nop

im taking the live situation where we are forced to play it

[vivid vessel]

Outside of the fact it's a gun ability with a cool animation which is cool

The spell itself

Isn't fun

[vivid vessel]

Ye well

That's the wrong approach imo

Cause you are already settling

Cause you are starting from the worse spell in the game

[glass mortar]

settling is part of life zac

but to be clear

i was literally in the trenches

arguing alone about this last night

with people gaslighting me that im defending old kspree

obviously i agree with u on 90% of this

just important to remember its still infinitly better then live so we dont come off as crazy

it can be better

give feedback

!

[wintry solar]

maybe we're only suppose to give feedback when REalz tell us to do it

[glass mortar]

if u wanna do an NA feedback post DM it to me zac and i will post it on NA 4 u

and steal ur credentials

"the top io rogue world has this to say"

r u still top io

if not u better farm it back before u give feedback

😠

[late swallow]

While ur posting, mind checking out this game I’m making with a few friends?

[vivid vessel]

I am

[late swallow]

Thisisavirus.zip

[glass mortar]

always for u babe

[stiff hawk]

Send me link pls

[crimson thicket]

Please send me the .zip file

[vivid vessel]

i will make sure im still top so i can say R1 rogue here

[wintry solar]

I envisioned you as a bottom

[cedar kernel]

@proven ocean

[crimson thicket]

Ya they don't want no pussy r2 pleb feedback

[cedar kernel]

u know who i am

[vivid vessel]

"Hi guys to give a little bit of context about me, im the best player in the wrold, now here is what i have to say:"

@glass mortar thoguhts?

[wintry solar]

less humility. They hate that

[crimson thicket]

Ur not ellesmere though. Don't forget to put rogue

[hybrid crown]

You may not know about me yet but I just cleared normal and orange parsed. please listen as I'm about to turn the outlaw meta on its head.

[haughty moat]

so humble

[civic void]

Add that you have been playing outlaw since tbc, they love that

[red zinc]

Incredibly zesty

[rigid basin]

We just need to go en mass and drown them out

[wintry solar]

honestly, all of the flaws new KS has im kind of indifferent to tbh

so I'll parrot whatever yall want me to

idc

[red zinc]

People that care about heroic parses but raid mythic are like doped up athletes shitting on little leaguers

So pathetic

[glass mortar]

the random targets is just them digging in their heels about it having some rng factor that reduces its effectiveness

at least its infinitly less toxic then random teleporting

[proven ocean]

oh ur bac wtf

[wintry solar]

yeah the random target thing is dumb for sure

[glass mortar]

the duration is w/e

[proven ocean]

[cedar kernel]

yea

[proven ocean]

real bac

[red zinc]

Wasnt ks literally the same

[glass mortar]

it sucks but id take it as a tradeoff if the option is live orthis

[cedar kernel]

[red zinc]

the old one

[glass mortar]

the old one sure, not the current one

losing prio damage on an ability is kinda an L

[proven ocean]

[glass mortar]

and its literally just for flavor

it doesnt make it do anything special

it is never a benifit

[jolly geyser]

hope they fix KS next patch so we dont die

[wintry solar]

have I got news for you

[cedar kernel]

so nice to meet brothers at ptr

must say

[rigid basin]

Check pins

[jolly geyser]

[fading hatch]

Oh BUDDY

[rigid basin]

Kek

[red zinc]

ramlu is master baiter

[wintry solar]

im gonna say it

[red zinc]

Engagement farming tech is crazy

[wintry solar]

I think the slow should be more

I want to feel scared

[fading hatch]

It shouldnt slow it should speed me up unreasonably

[glass mortar]

can i be honest

grapples usable during it

it wouldnt even bother me if it was like a 50% slow

xd

[red zinc]

Why are we like

[vivid vessel]

it does bother me a bit

[glass mortar]

IF

they reduced cast time in half

👏

[vivid vessel]

i was imagining myself running around gun blazing right

[glass mortar]

i will take this tradeoff blizz

[red zinc]

saying what would be “acceptable” to make the ability shittier to use

Like

[vivid vessel]

and instead its melee range that aslow

[glass mortar]

im bargaining

[red zinc]

why are we actively making it shittier?

weird ass manifestation

[vivid vessel]

ye this also

[glass mortar]

but also unloading with pistols is hard stuff

[proven ocean]

zac

[glass mortar]

u gotta have steady feet

[vivid vessel]

i dont really get

[wintry solar]

more slow would be a feaeture for me

[proven ocean]

looks like rogue is meta next season btw

[glass mortar]

if ur gunna have bullshit flavor

[proven ocean]

cuz shaman seems op

[glass mortar]

making it slow u makes more sense then making it take super long

[fading hatch]

God forbid men on the internet have a conversation

[glass mortar]

and shoot random targets

[vivid vessel]

resto?

[proven ocean]

very very high ascendance uptime

[red zinc]

zeross stop day 1 garfing

[proven ocean]

nah

enh

idk about resto didnt see it

[stiff hawk]

Becasue its longer and not killing me anymore

[vivid vessel]

my shaman is resto

[red zinc]

Shaman needs to pull a warlock and not run any sims if they want that to go live

[proven ocean]

i got one of the best druid healers in the game might snipe him if it becomes meta

[rigid basin]

You are but your character takes a xan first

[vivid vessel]

?

you siad you were qutting

2 days ago

[proven ocean]

idk

i know

but idk this season looks way too good

maybe i play

been waiting for a void season for a rly long time

since legion

[stiff hawk]

Zeross is no quitter

[vivid vessel]

xdd

[proven ocean]

all themes look shit usually

this one is kinda different ngl

[red zinc]

idk about this being a void season outside of raid though

[proven ocean]

timmy

the dungeons

[wintry solar]

and then theres the light vs void next expac

[proven ocean]

are 10/10

btw

legit best dungeon selection ive seen

in a rly long time

[wintry solar]

I wonder what theyre gonna do when they run out of fan service

[red zinc]

what if the new dungeon is a 0/10

That math wouldnt check out

[fading hatch]

What were dawnbreaker and ara kara like? I didnt play at all

[stiff hawk]

Do we believe the rumors about Void DH?

[red zinc]

Yes

[proven ocean]

ngl the only downside of this dungeon pool is priory, and even priory i dont mind rly

[wintry solar]

I dont

[proven ocean]

its not that bad

[stiff hawk]

Dawnbreaker is dog

imo

[proven ocean]

i love dawnbreaker

[red zinc]

Itll come out in 11.2.5 probably

[proven ocean]

cuz

[red zinc]

Like

[proven ocean]

its op for sin

[wintry solar]

Dawnbreaker is great

[stiff hawk]

Or even in Midnight

[red zinc]

The dungeon journal for that boss is way too forced to be anything else than a teaser for 3rd spec

[wintry solar]

sucks with outlaw though with current ks

[proven ocean]

man i'd absolutely love sin to be meta

[red zinc]

Like legit its so random dude idk

[proven ocean]

i'll destroy every sin rogue in the game

if it becomes meta

[red zinc]

optional boss with very defined models

[wintry solar]

maybe then

[red zinc]

Let me actually see what the third guy does in that council fight

[wintry solar]

frankly I dont want DH having anything good

[red zinc]

Maybe we can gather what role the spec will be

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel im gapping sin rogues by 500k without sanguine blades and random ass talents sometimes

[wintry solar]

so I'm biased

[cedar kernel]

wanna do some heroic

[proven ocean]

man i love sin minmaxes

[cedar kernel]

we melt the pull in 10s

[proven ocean]

ngl sin minmaxes are identical to outlaw

lots of things u can do

[red zinc]

I love hating on every sin player in lfg

[nocturne shuttle]

ks rework goes hard

back to outlaw

[proven ocean]

outlaw looks abit underwhelming

[red zinc]

naw

[proven ocean]

no 5 buffs perma

is abit sus

[nocturne shuttle]

outlaw

back to sin

[red zinc]

The hood plays voidbender dh now

[proven ocean]

outlaw is still strong tho

but idk maybe sin better this time

by a big amount

[red zinc]

btw ross

[proven ocean]

i wonder if sin will do the highest overall next season on top of it having insane prio

[nocturne shuttle]

sin been better

[red zinc]

The spymaster reskin is only strength/agil

casters are boned

[proven ocean]

well ye sin has the best dmg profile usually

[red zinc]

melee season

[proven ocean]

whats that

[red zinc]

what i sent you yesterday

Trinket

[nocturne shuttle]

surely sub will be best m+ spec right guys

[proven ocean]

this or the one below

[nocturne shuttle]

[red zinc]

uh

[red zinc]

idk what its called

[proven ocean]

this?

[red zinc]

Ye that

[proven ocean]

idk if thats good, if its thats nice but imo araz is powerful too

[stiff hawk]

What are your predictions

when S3 comes out

[red zinc]

I mean just run both lowkey

you can hodl

[proven ocean]

btw timmy

do u realize

how broken this trinket is

?

delves

its super crazy

lmao

30k mastery

how did blizzard come up with this shit

[red zinc]

10s

[proven ocean]

doubles my mastery btw

[red zinc]

and on enemy deaths

[proven ocean]

timmy

[red zinc]

Idk

Cant set that up

[proven ocean]

u can track when it procs

no bro

[stiff hawk]

I would guess 5th august patch and 12th august raid

[proven ocean]

thats not on deaths

[stiff hawk]

[proven ocean]

it ramps

on dmg

like normal stacks

[red zinc]

I mean that too

[dim widget]

What is mastery

[proven ocean]

wait

WTF

[red zinc]

But mob deaths also proc

[proven ocean]

SLAYING ENEMIES GIVES PROCS

THATS INSANE

[red zinc]

ye

[proven ocean]

BRO

[red zinc]

so idk

[proven ocean]

i think this is like

OMEGA GIGA BIS

???????

[red zinc]

depends on dungeon routing

[proven ocean]

brother

bro

[red zinc]

Insane but awkward to play around i fear

[proven ocean]

i did 8m dps opener

with this

[red zinc]

Not for pugging

[proven ocean]

on m+ build

on sin

thats like

higher than sub rogue

if not on par

[obsidian walrus]

so we go sin rogue ?

[proven ocean]

we dont know yet ofc

sin looks not op in raid

but op in M+

so thats nice

[wintry solar]

I hope HO and KIR are close again next season

[proven ocean]

proc vs no proc btw

[red zinc]

people asking about fotm now

[proven ocean]

basically double dps

[red zinc]

We are so back

[proven ocean]

50% more dmg

from just

trinket proc

looooooooooooooooooooooool

[nocturne shuttle]

rogue meta surely

[proven ocean]

brother

[nocturne shuttle]

[proven ocean]

its just a matter of time

till ppl fuck this trinket's ass so hard

its super op

im sad its intellect too

[nocturne shuttle]

will be nerfed before it even hits live

[red zinc]

im snitching

right now

ross last miniboss in halls of ascension

In the church thingie

all the tiny guys proccing that trinket like twice over

Most insane funnel ever devised

[wintry solar]

that mastery stacker guys gonna love this

[vivid vessel]

attonment

[proven ocean]

ngl

this trinket

[red zinc]

true

[proven ocean]

i can legit see my dmg dropping by ALOT

when it ends

by alot alot

and im in cds too

idk

this is busted as shit

[red zinc]

i mean its a scaling error

[proven ocean]

idk

[red zinc]

either that or

[proven ocean]

trinkets that ramp

can be that broken

but yes

[red zinc]

Dungeon mobs wont count for kills

[proven ocean]

this 100% looks like scaling error

but idk

[red zinc]

Like

Normally when its on death effects from world content stuff it says like “from mobs that reward experience” so it doesnt work in m+

doesnt say it there

Idk

[glass mortar]

maybe they just want trinkets to matter, all the values on these trinkets seem excessivly high

[red zinc]

Not really

[glass mortar]

alot of the primary stat trinkets are giving like 50k primary??

or the 3 or so ive seen

[red zinc]

Its day 1 and theres outliers

[glass mortar]

thats like doubling ur primary stat

[red zinc]

A lot of weak ones too

[red zinc]

No it isnt

[glass mortar]

dont we have like 60k agi rn

[red zinc]

You’ll have like 100k next season

80 rn

[glass mortar]

do we really have 80 right now

[daring oxide]

does the shadow crash weapon still work?

sometimes it doesn't reset when u vanish

anyone else having this issue?

[red zinc]

my shitty gear ptr char already has 69k lmao

that is with 720 tier pieces so its skewed

but we will definitely have like 110k+

[nocturne shuttle]

is anyone erect from ks rework

[proven ocean]

ur overthinking it alot

all m+ mobs count as reward experience

[glass mortar]

u think we are gunna gain like 50% more primaries? if we have 80k on live. how many ilvls is the new tier going up?

are we actually gaining 30 ilvls?

[red zinc]

723 max

[glass mortar]

they r doing another double season up huh

[red zinc]

no the base ilvls just got scaled up extra hard

like

[glass mortar]

kinda goes against them trying to reduce stat growth over the expac if every season they twice the ilvl jump

[red zinc]

its +39 from 684 (turbo boosted)

[glass mortar]

of old seasons

[red zinc]

I was worried gearing would feel like ass week 1/2 since we had high ilvl stuff

but they're just cranking harder

you will be able to get 681 champion gear from m0 week 1

no clue how upgradeable since you would only get normal crests

!up

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1346745738532491296/New_Project.jpg

[red zinc]

some 690 gear week 1 i guess

if you get lucky

[cedar kernel]

next seasons trinket is very strong

everyone is

[long barn]

Charged bolt only did 2% for in me 19 Priory

[sullen walrus]

how our unseen blade works? can someone tell me pls
how we spend our cp with proc unseen

[long barn]

Is anyone seeing better numbers?

[rigid basin]

It's prolly gonna do less relative damage in large pack sized dungeons since it's ST damage, was like 3-3.5 in a ML I ran last night

[long barn]

Ok

[rigid basin]

Also believe it or not, it's a bit buggy so there is a chance it just stopped working at some point xd

[long barn]

Lolll

I’ll check and see if dmg stops in log

[sullen walrus]

i'll pay you 100k gold if u tell me about my log and why my dmg is so bad 😦

[livid pewter]

its annoyin if u dont cancelaura the buff and tank wanna skip somethingwith meld while u laserbeam randomly on a target in stealth

[rigid basin]

xd

Reminds me I need to make that macro

[long barn]

Also speaking of ML

Anyone know if the drill circle mechanic on the ground is broke since patch. The ones after first boss.

[civic zephyr]

why are so many people playing HoC?

[long barn]

People are dying like soon as the circle comes out. No time to move you

Out

[rigid basin]

Because Zac is xd

Didn't see that in the run I did, but blizzard do blizzard things so it's def possible

[glass mortar]

because they copy paste zac and dont understand trinket barely maters this season

i just pray they are also playing kir build

that trinket is quite bad for HO

[civic zephyr]

KEKL

[rigid basin]

I've debated spending dinars on it to try instead of keys but honestly it doesn't matter enough for me to really care

Still haven't bought anything xd

Been forced to heal mug/gally so can't dinars anything from there on my rogue

Kinda wish I could dinars a roulette wheel,

[vivid vessel]

the alternative is geargrinder which i think isnt good because its split damage and i have an hatred against split damage trinkets

[mighty pivot]

[glass mortar]

r u playing cards magnet?

[rigid basin]

He is yeah lol

[glass mortar]

unhinged

i just play a passive w/magnet

[rigid basin]

Should be running whistle

[stiff hawk]

based

[rigid basin]

Great for scaring the shit outta your group

[vivid vessel]

only good passive is kezan tho

[rigid basin]

I run it over pacemaker kekw

[glass mortar]

?

minecart is good

idk sims the same as ur trinket for me

does HoC actually outsim it on aoe for u?

[vivid vessel]

no idea

weran

i dont sim this season

useless

[glass mortar]

yea

[vivid vessel]

dont tell anyone tho

[glass mortar]

its probably like 0.2%

but u dont get to pick where the power is like HoC

[rigid basin]

Zac on his feelscraft arc

[glass mortar]

which is probably benificial for higher keys

[obsidian walrus]

@proven ocean where you jsut doing a key with zorthas ?

[mighty pivot]

whistle is funny too when people get confused by it

[glass mortar]

i mean u can feelcraft trinkets this season

like 80% of them fall within a 0.5% range

they r all the piss

pyf

[rigid basin]

They are all the same just different icon

[mighty pivot]

RIP pirate bro

[glass mortar]

whistle is funny because sometimes the target of the whistle dies and it bugs out and the minecart will just slowmo try to track the targets corpse and u just have 1-2 minecarts moving at 1 mph towards the pack

[rigid basin]

I wish we had boon smh, woulda been insanely funny if you could boon/ks

[civic zephyr]

are the m+ trinkets actually that far behind?

[rigid basin]

Nah

[civic zephyr]

bet

im rocking whistle pacemaker 💔

[rigid basin]

Pacemaker, whistle are good. Signet if you want a stat on use

I'm using keys/whistle for double vehicle meme

I do need to snag a magnet but I'm not willing to dinars it

Prolly dinars Capo, and spend the other two on Assa offspec idfk

[brave lagoon]

Tf is this

[carmine ferry]

LIES?!?

[daring oxide]

nope its true

confirmed

by the shadow lords

[carmine ferry]

The ones that are known to lie

[flat needle]

Are the tales true? Is it the truth they are talking about? Killing spree fix?

[daring oxide]

yes

log on ptr

[carmine ferry]

Yup!

Not sure if it'll be good though. 5 sec cast that the optimal way is to cancel it halfway because you're capped on CP

[glass mortar]

90% sure this is fake

[civic zephyr]

also numerically, how much does brew give us?

[carmine ferry]

The fact that it seems to be an Agility caster kinda makes me doubt it's real. They would prob make it Int

[civic zephyr]

as a flat %

is it just a 1.05x multi

[glass mortar]

its just 5% more on all ur physical sources yea

[civic zephyr]

how much of our dam is phys

generally

[glass mortar]

like 90%

might be more this season

i think some of our trinket procs and on uses r physical also

havent really paid attention cause it barely matters

[trail cove]

Someone has a video or idk of the new ks animation ? :3

[brave lagoon]

Check pin

[old gull]

My thing is, we already have a shadow priest

[trail cove]

Oh thxx

[brave lagoon]

But what about 2nd breakfast edgy DH spec

[glass mortar]

i mean anyone who thinks its a ranged dps caster spec is coping

[keen belfry]

what folder do i copy to ptr to get my WAs

[glass mortar]

the void themed dh third spec is clearly a support

meta is replaced with an ability where you float in midair permanently and your boot slot gets disabled

you whisper void nonsense into ur allies ears to make them hit harder

make something harder....

[covert kestrel]

If your fellow players interact with you, they suck one of your 10 toes for 10 different buffs

[mighty pivot]

or they cuddle their allies for +10% damage and happiness

[tired rune]

holy shit

they actually did it

alright I'm back

[bright crane]

What if instead of giving back CP, it reduced the CD of AR so you effective get the time spent during the channel back as CDR. Is that cooked?

[sullen walrus]

Boys, can someone tell me why i alwayse reroll 1 or 2 buffs? Maybe i do some misstackes with supercharged or finishers? Idk

[fallen knot]

where do i buy pve rings in ptr

[covert kestrel]

It's rng

[cedar kernel]

brothers i finish the new dg

looks good

i must say

it has a lots of easy mechanic

and wont affect our dps output

[bright crane]

Nice

😎