outlaw

[uneven swan]

ahh okay, i wanna min-max, but 1% isnt worth it

[mighty pivot]

1% is a good jump for 1 item change tbh

[uneven swan]

but i dont raid, so for me i guess i would want to focus on aoe

[mighty pivot]

yeah for dungeons you weapon swap between the event cudgel and a single target OH if you want to get the most out of the spec

[uneven swan]

so technically there isnt anything worth for me through the dinar shop then

seeing as the roulette wheel aint in there

[proven ocean]

TP'IKGTRSN;RLJMGSE/R'ZTGJMRIKDSFGSED[LM;KH'TED/HGSDKF.RMXGRSEDGPI';RESKMDFLGERSD

GHELLO

EVERYONE

HOW

AREU

ALL

PEOPLE

guys i ate food for 4 ppl

no cappi

[gilded tinsel]

u ok ross?

[proven ocean]

hloephleoo hshilzorks

how areou

u

[gilded tinsel]

you ate or drank for 4 people?

im good bro

[proven ocean]

atetateteate

[mighty pivot]

if you aren't raiding then only mythic track dungeon trinkets and heroic capo are desirable with dinars (for outlaw)

[latent oak]

@late swallow

[mighty pivot]

it's sin week already?

[red zinc]

Sleep paralysis demon

[granite quarry]

what trinkets do i dinar if im not mythic raiding for m+? wax whistle & pacemaker?

[mighty pivot]

yes

[granite quarry]

hot

ty

[hybrid crown]

You could try for pug vexie mythic

The keys are pretty sick

[red zinc]

no

[haughty wigeon]

Based

[late swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/my-liege-monty-python-holy-grail-liege-my-couch-gif-17609083

[covert kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/xion4-gif-22084429

[storm drum]

there are a couple options that might sim higher than macemaker like signet

[proven ocean]

WTFFFFFFFFFFFFFF disc buffs !!!

@vivid vessel

zac ..

[vivid vessel]

wtf ffff

nerf disc priestttt

[proven ocean]

zac

i want good movie

!

[vivid vessel]

i only have shit movies ross. ..

[proven ocean]

wtf ..

[covert kestrel]

arrival is the goat movie

[molten oasis]

With the “massive” buffs think we’ll end up playing the new belt?

[proven ocean]

i dont want movie of goats wtf

doesnt sound inteiresting

[vivid vessel]

of course

we would havbe already

[molten oasis]

Yesh thought as much being a proc effect and raw ilvl

[covert kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/gotem-gif-18695498

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel wanna use dmg multiplier WA

to troll ppl

[vivid vessel]

no

[proven ocean]

u do 9m st

and blizzard will be like

OMGOMGOMGO GMOUTLAW BROKEN

[vivid vessel]

ty for offer tho

[proven ocean]

WTF GOING ON

[mild vigil]

Yeah outlaw famously broken on all the bosses that don’t matter

[proven ocean]

sub does 20m burst

[mild vigil]

[vivid vessel]

@proven ocean

first boss top

i will do 9 mil one day

no capo

[craggy barn]

how many buffs

[craggy barn]

ez

[vivid vessel]

all of them cuh

[proven ocean]

[craggy barn]

fckin destroyed

[proven ocean]

`100% uptime

[vivid vessel]

on everything

thats the outlaw way

[proven ocean]

flawless form 100% too

[vivid vessel]

well thats always 100%

i think

[proven ocean]

house of cards 96% uptime no cd bug??

[vivid vessel]

wtf !

[craggy barn]

crazy

[vivid vessel]

ye falwless is 100% upotime ross

for outlaw

its not like sub

[proven ocean]

ah

sub would have same uptime if it was same as SL

high CDR on dance

i imagine outlaw would get the same treatment

very low cdr on AR / Vanish

and it'll be as slow as sub kinda

but yet, faster

[eternal iron]

!haste

[ornate heath]

A properly geared Outlaw's stat volume will look like Vers > Haste* > Crit > Mastery.

*But Haste has a **requirement ** because Adrenaline Rush scales your GCD based on haste, up to 25%.

The KIR build wants ~19% haste from rating, so it becomes 25% after Alacrity. 18% or 20% is close enough and not a problem. Don't play KIR with lower than 18% haste.

The HO build gets Take 'em by Surprise, so its haste requirement is technically ~9%., but it continues to want haste just for energy. You will likely optimize towards 14-18% haste, not a strict number, just sim.

You need to use Raidbots Top Gear to determine what haste pieces to use. You can also get ~4.2% haste from a flask. This can be equal or better than Vers flask if you need it for either build.

[eternal wolf]

Hello! I am moving away from HO and learning KiR. After reading all the guides, I just want to verify, I should never cast ambush, right?

[random stirrup]

Never cast ambush as kir

[eternal wolf]

ty!

[dark fractal]

neverever

[crimson thicket]

did they fix weapon swap? i was just in a key and it wouldnt let me swap unless im stupid

[cinder relic]

Probably stupid?

[dark fractal]

^

[fossil lintel]

Was just in a key and swapped weapons without any issues

[storm drum]

combat is weird sometimes just keep pressing it until it happens? during vanish or KS is a good time to press

[uneven swan]

Is this good for ilvl 666? +10 PSF

MM is 653 and balance is 673

[glass mortar]

u cant do it during a gcd

u need to be off the gcd and it incurs a gcd and u cant spellqueue it as far as im aware

which is probably why it feels so jank

if u ever need to do it mid combat its probably best to just wait for kspree to come up in the rotation then do it during kspree

so its effectively free, or less costly depending on how many cp u spend on the kspree

[storm drum]

@crimson thicket

[keen belfry]

@storm drum its not me

[storm drum]

sus bro sus

[high parrot]

do we ever send low CP coup so that we dont overcap on unseen blade procs? ( hope that makes sense

[storm drum]

yes

[high parrot]

thanks

[storm drum]

unless in bte procs you spend all those before sending coup but sending coup at low cp sometiems happens to go into other shit its in the pins or whatever

[keen belfry]

dusty cooking us in twitch chat rn

[storm drum]

there are situations where you wont send though if you are in threat of not maintaining AR uptime

[high parrot]

yeah those situations were easier for me to decide

[storm drum]

what are you talking about now awang? are you going to harass me now? chill my guy

[high parrot]

i was just wondering like if you have AR and you dont have subterfuge and stuff

[storm drum]

see sending low cp coups sometiems makes sense lol

[keen belfry]

yes

[glass mortar]

u can send a low cp coup if the builder you would press with coup available would be SS

is the official rule per the FaQ

[ripe ibex]

@keen belfry hey

[glass mortar]

it doesnt actually check for unseen blades

i dont think theres any official rules about that tbh

[keen belfry]

hey cuh

[fossil lintel]

Hey awang, how goes the streamer trolling?

[ripe ibex]

have you been trolling venera

[keen belfry]

no

[ripe ibex]

oh

[fresh frost]

Hey, quick question, I'm coming back to the game after a long break and learning Outlaw. A friend recommended using Hekili to learn the class, but I've seen some people say it's a 'bad add-on.' What’s your take on it?

[ripe ibex]

need to get on that

[keen belfry]

ive been informed that dusty thinks im in chat

[ripe ibex]

who tf is dusty

[keen belfry]

thats waht im saying

[storm drum]

you legit typed at me in here while im chillin watchin stream

[keen belfry]

do kill mugzee tn?

[storm drum]

lol you are legit having a mental breakdown following me around from different platforms

[keen belfry]

im playing fire mage on mugzeee rn

might arcane

[limber void]

ragebaiter

[ripe ibex]

oh

ah

[keen belfry]

jason gj in that workshop

[ripe ibex]

drone defender

[keen belfry]

we should both practice pull 1

[ripe ibex]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1381852605713612911/Medal_h1G7cG1Nlw.gif

yeah

like actually

need to spam do first pull

[storm drum]

at least i can read talents and discern rotations lol

[ripe ibex]

wtf are you talking about

[limber void]

i asked a sin question and he didnt know shit and try to mansplain or smth

[storm drum]

no you asked a question about cleave build and shiv management i asked you what the talents said and the answer would provide the answer

[ripe ibex]

bro said discern rotations

[brave lagoon]

button shiny, I press button

[storm drum]

you can lead a horse to water but you cant make it drink

[ripe ibex]

haha

mr wise guy

holy

[crimson thicket]

ye i know that, i think it was part of my macro or weakaura buggin.

[tight kernel]

is wep swap macro still working?

/equipslot 17 Nightfall Curseblade's Cudgel
/equipslot 17 Gallywix's Iron Thumb```

[brave lagoon]

it is

[ripe ibex]

can’t swap gallywix weapon during m+ tho

[tight kernel]

cause dot?

[glass mortar]

^

[brave lagoon]

Oh yeah that's true I forgot

[ripe ibex]

it just has a special tag on it

[glass mortar]

because its a cantrip they singled out to make it so u cant swap

[tight kernel]

ah so use crowd favorite then?

[glass mortar]

but yes probably due to the dot

ya

its a bad weapon in m+ anyway

[ripe ibex]

yeah

[keen belfry]

sup jason

[gaunt phoenix]

Every time I see you in here you are stirring shit

[storm drum]

nah fam im out of it they ganged up im chillin

[gaunt phoenix]

i think you need to cool it with the ego

[daring oxide]

one button rotation comes out next week

[brave lagoon]

oh shit

can't wait for half my roster to finally get better

[storm drum]

i legit got brought back into here by awaang lol from twitch streams from him trolling stirring shit im chillin

[daring oxide]

cant wait for LFR to start doing dps

gonna be so much faster now

[brave lagoon]

lol you think they're pressing a button to begin with

[daring oxide]

well

they can just put the one button on scrollwheel

and spin it

[ripe ibex]

hey qt

[daring oxide]

like fidget spinner

for maximum dps

-25%

[late swallow]

Vurai and awang are back

[daring oxide]

i have never gone anywhere

i just more quiet until they release outlaw update in 11.2

and if they dont

[late swallow]

In my headcanon you did

[daring oxide]

well i will

be upset

and play dune awakening

to relieve myself of such sadness

[late swallow]

Based

[daring oxide]

that we will be killing spreeing for another tier

BUT

I HAVE FAITH

KILLING SPREE HAS BEEN FIXED

[late swallow]

[ripe ibex]

who’s gonna tell him

[daring oxide]

AND WE ARE JUST AWAITING THE 11.2 OUTLAW PATCH DROP

[lime lake]

[daring oxide]

I have evidence

that its coming

[lime lake]

counterpoint

[daring oxide]

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxdxhIRcLNQqR69Z7HHa-RbmJ4Ti6nzEA-?feature=shared

EVIDENCE

that Outlaw is inside Ion's thoughts and prayers right now

so this means its 50/50 right now that we get something in 11.2

ok

51/49

51%

[wintry solar]

That could mean a lot of things or nothing at all

[daring oxide]

no negativity please

only faith and hope here

[late swallow]

Inb4 blizz shears every shred of meaningful gameplay for the sake of the one button rotation

[wintry solar]

Nah nah

[daring oxide]

we believe in positivity

[wintry solar]

I'm just saying

Yeah

[daring oxide]

I understand where you are coming from

we've been betrayed again and again

but this time

i feel like 11.2 is the sunrise

the dawn of the golden age

[wintry solar]

Ions face when the second guy said a lot of people in his guild likes current outlaw though

[daring oxide]

who said this

[wintry solar]

The guy with the grey jacket

Idk if it's in that clip

I didn't watch thr whole thing

[daring oxide]

chads

i love people who like outlaw rogue

they are the best kind of people

[lime lake]

idk the guy in grey seems a bit sus to me

so idk about his guildies

[daring oxide]

I love it when I hear Ion says outlaw rogue

[lime lake]

if the guy in red said it was good i'd be behind him

[daring oxide]

fills my hopium gauge to 200%

i play that clip on repeat

every day

[tight kernel]

Should I recraft gear for m+ now that CE is achieved or keep it raid until better parses

[daring oxide]

reminding myself of the amazing things to come very soon

[wintry solar]

Well regardless, Ion's face when that was said makes me think something more than KS and RTB container fixes are coming

[daring oxide]

huh

[lime lake]

well yeah

outlaw is getting reworked to be a tank spec

[daring oxide]

how and why would you recraft for outlaw if you geared for outlaw originally or?

[lime lake]

pretty obvious from his mannerisms

lets be real

[wintry solar]

You think the combat Andy's would like that?

Thered be no stealth

So

[lime lake]

yes

[late swallow]

Ion subscribes to Charisma on Command for sure

[lime lake]

because your tank rotation is spamming snd

[daring oxide]

well i also think it will, because he basically says in the clip outlaw is too complicated to play with the base UI and thats a problem with the class design, you literally have to be a highly obsessed one trick outlaw player to play the spec well

[lime lake]

thats your mitigation

snd increases your parry chance and stacks like ironfur

outlaw tank stonks

[daring oxide]

Ion confirms that outlaw is one of the main reasons why they are trying to sort this addon issue like weak auras which are mandatory to show you the necessary info to play outlaw effectively

[wintry solar]

Your situation has to be pretty known for it to be called out by Ion

[late swallow]

Shaman or evoker will get tank spec next

100%

[wintry solar]

Hell yeah Shammy tank

[daring oxide]

yeah, im sure the devs themselves know that outlaw is at that point where it has a low population because of its complexity

[wintry solar]

I'd play that

I'd play outlaw with any iteration. Even the ones I don't like.

[daring oxide]

i dont think outlaw is complex rotationally, but the playstyle is (because of knowledge, buff tracking, container, apm, etc)

and killing spree isn't complex

[wintry solar]

A lot of small details add up

[daring oxide]

but extremely toxic and does require decision making amongst considerations for upcoming boss/fight timers to know when it'll be safe to send

and thats an extra thing to think about while thinking about what to press next every 0.8 seconds

its fuckin tiring sometimes

[storm drum]

pure reactionary gameplay with a long list of conditions and priorities

You cannot play outlaw wihtout weak auras and tracking things which is kind of cracked and sadge

[wintry solar]

Personally I don't think Outlaw needs more than a couple tuning knobs here and there but I don't work at blizz so I gotta sit it out.

[late swallow]

Me talking to women

[storm drum]

things like assa and arms war and hunter and ret you can purley play without weak auras

[daring oxide]

ya like for example its not always clear when you should use pistol shot over sinister strike, especially in the base UI, and its only clear if you use weakauras to make those buff displays clearer

[wintry solar]

Real

[glass mortar]

the difficulty of kspree is parsing whether ull even live if u press it which is not an engaging way to make an ability "hard" when its like a 15s cd

[wintry solar]

KiR having the Sinister Strike button always up when using the CD manager lol

[daring oxide]

you need WAs to make opportunity stacks easy to see in your vision

[storm drum]

i thinkt in the conditions you jsut use pistol shot in most cases when procs and dont use when no BTE like its rough

[wintry solar]

To me it feels like the equivalent of bullet sponges in shooters.

[tight kernel]

I mean raid build is HO while M+ its KIR

So recraft for better KIR stats

[wintry solar]

Fake difficulty

[daring oxide]

eh

[storm drum]

class is tough just like enhance shammy most similiar specs although i think enhance is a bit easier

[daring oxide]

raid build is KIR m9

m8

what u smoking

snus?

[wintry solar]

It's all HO

[storm drum]

nah main spec is HO

[wintry solar]

RtB spammers unite

[storm drum]

its all HO

[daring oxide]

il fukin fite yas

KIR ALL THE WAY

[wintry solar]

Imma roll your bones

[daring oxide]

[storm drum]

nah KiR is just for the feels and the more sweaty lol for minimal output

[daring oxide]

KIR is absolute beauty

[wintry solar]

Imma be a kir main again next season tho

[vivid vessel]

you really believe that

in m+ sure

in raid idk

thats a bit delusional imo

[daring oxide]

well

[vivid vessel]

we just like kir

[daring oxide]

I think HO is probably better because of Lust...

[vivid vessel]

ho is better becasue it sims better and htere is no reason its not better

[glass mortar]

huh

[daring oxide]

i know thats a weird take

[glass mortar]

ho is better because it just does more ST

kir tricksters ST is lacking because kspree clashes with kir more then ho

[daring oxide]

aside from the maths yeah

when I've played HO during lust

my god

killing spree does infinite damage in a split second

[brave lagoon]

ho better for me because I make tons of mistakes and it's easier to recover on HO

[glass mortar]

i dont understand

[storm drum]

requiring less haste in HO spec allows more crit on gear and when y ou get lust it just bangs harder

[daring oxide]

and HO seems to do more dps consistently

i get that

yes

i know

[wintry solar]

Not the rtb?

[glass mortar]

because u cant messup a crackshot window as HO

[daring oxide]

KS as HO is better for sure

[late swallow]

Zac shilling HO?

[glass mortar]

i mean u can but like

if u do

[wintry solar]

Rtb spam?

[glass mortar]

u are just super pepega

every button u press generates infinite cp

[daring oxide]

i am pepega

[glass mortar]

its not like kir where u can messup and then cast 7 SS in a crackshot

in aoe deft helps alot with normalizing kir

st has always been where its at its toughest

[daring oxide]

yeah in AOE kir is giga no contest

i agree

deft hard carries

maybe im just biased

[wintry solar]

HO with deft when?

[daring oxide]

KIR is more fun, and im a feelcrafty noob

but

I do 'feel' HO is really strong

especially with lust on pull

i dunno why

[storm drum]

HO without ghostly strike is the way to go

[daring oxide]

i just do like 4-5mil dps consistently during opener/lust

[storm drum]

just chillin with 5-6mil overall is fine

[daring oxide]

i mean in raids for ST

[wintry solar]

You know how the spender rules in crackshot are 5+?

[daring oxide]

yes

[storm drum]

oh raid st HO is the only way

[daring oxide]

nah

KIR HO ST competes too

[storm drum]

unles syou are a god and get godlike rolls with kir

[daring oxide]

opps

KIR ST*

not KIR HO lol

im getting confused now

[daring oxide]

KIR is more consistent with buff uptime though

[fossil lintel]

Kir ho no hammer

[daring oxide]

i think HO has a higher roll potential

[storm drum]

im only a purple parser this eason on the first 3 mythic bosses dont get me lying lol

[fossil lintel]

Let's go

[daring oxide]

if you back to back 5 nattys

[wintry solar]

HO without ace procs reminds me of DB because every ambush puts you at 5+ so it's builder finisher builder finisher.

[daring oxide]

@vivid vessel have you played HO at all during raids

[vivid vessel]

no

never

[daring oxide]

i see

[novel socket]

i switched to HO recently for raid and i get way better results than kir

[daring oxide]

I think Zac is sandbagging KIR

so he keeps KIR all to himself

[novel socket]

and my stats are made for kir

[fossil lintel]

He also didn't prog as outlaw so there's that

[storm drum]

the sims say if i play HO which is less effort than Kir that i will do more dam so thats what i play lol

[glass mortar]

HO st wants almost identical haste to kir tbh

its nice

[daring oxide]

HO does amazing with KIR haste imo

[glass mortar]

u can play both builds

[daring oxide]

exactly this

I play HO with like 13k haste

[novel socket]

oh

i see

[daring oxide]

feels so good

[novel socket]

makes sense then

[random stirrup]

kir more fun

[novel socket]

that it does good

[random stirrup]

easy choice

[fossil lintel]

Wait, it does?

[glass mortar]

yes

[daring oxide]

yes

[glass mortar]

i mean not quite as hard, like u can get away with 18%

[storm drum]

HO likes just as much haste hahaaha

[novel socket]

kir sucks dick tbh

[glass mortar]

but its still good up to 19%

[fossil lintel]

Kir is more fun yeah

[novel socket]

i rather they change roll the bones to a passive that gives more buffs based off uptime

[late swallow]

HO SC with ryukage haste?

[daring oxide]

in a way HO amplifies your base haste, because of the haste talent

[storm drum]

just purley based on AR gcd reduction haste is good

[fossil lintel]

Unless you get 5ss in a subt

[novel socket]

and you get to keep them all permanently when maxed out

[glass mortar]

its just annoying because non ghostly builds dont want that much

[novel socket]

as long as you have uptime

[glass mortar]

HO wants the haste because it doesnt have enough energy

[novel socket]

this rng bullshit is awful in progress

[storm drum]

yeah idk bro i just follow sims and the pins in here

[daring oxide]

thats why HO is extremely fast during lust, because of the haste buff further ampping lust haste

[glass mortar]

if u drop ghostly strike it can go all the way down to 10% haste and play fine tbh

[edgy phoenix]

kir propaganda

[glass mortar]

similar to season 1

[novel socket]

but surely outlaw will get a rework in midnight

right

[glass mortar]

s1 u played vigor tho so u didnt need energy from haste

[novel socket]

[edgy phoenix]

outlaw perfect as it is

[daring oxide]

yeah they delete KIR and we get to watch Zac have the meltdown of the century

[fossil lintel]

If they want to reduce complexity, rtb is likely gonna get hit

[lime lake]

that would be incredibly funny

but also would be bad

[edgy phoenix]

we get to watch zac go assa

[daring oxide]

zac would explode

[novel socket]

sub also needs a rework

[daring oxide]

internally combust

and explode into a blood grenade

the madness

would consume him

[late swallow]

Idk if sub needs a whole ass rework

[novel socket]

outside of cds the spec is classic wow era gameplay

[late swallow]

Just a few tweaks

[novel socket]

[daring oxide]

imo delete energy as a resource

made us gcd capped

[late swallow]

Cd windows feel nice as sub

[daring oxide]

make us*

[late swallow]

Outside of cds is pretty

[daring oxide]

fuck pooling or waiting for energy

rogues dont need energy, they just need combo points

[fossil lintel]

My complaint with sub is how bad it feels outside of cds

[novel socket]

that and the ridiculous tuning it gets

because of raids

up down up down

spikes

[daring oxide]

because you spend all your time between cds picking your nose and licking toes

[late swallow]

If there is no 1.5 min trink

[fossil lintel]

Move some damage out of cds, make it matter

[late swallow]

It’s joever for sub

[edgy phoenix]

more cancer is lining up all shit

[daring oxide]

ok bed time for me

[late swallow]

Stay cozy vurbae

[daring oxide]

when i wake up i hope to see 11.2 outlaw update dropped

[late swallow]

[daring oxide]

ty u too

[valid kindle]

they changed house of cards shortly before release to be 1.5m, I'm sure next season there'll also be a 1.5min trinket

[edgy phoenix]

ks deleted we now play blade rush

[fossil lintel]

Trickster with rush instead of ks would go hard

[late swallow]

Idk

They’d have to turn rush into a finisher or something

Otherwise, it doesn’t really interact with the kit

[brave lagoon]

generates 25 energy over 5 seconds ah yes how noticeable

[glass mortar]

never gunna be the case tho

theres like 5 or 6 dedicated 1.5m cd specs now a day

they are always gunna have at least 1 trinket

[late swallow]

I mean, going into this tier there was like one 1.5 min trinket before the HoC change

It was that absolutely dog delve trink

[cinder relic]

funhouse mirror

[glass mortar]

the delve trinket is pretty good for alot of them

idk what u mean by dog

[valid kindle]

that trinket is still bis for some specs lmao

[wintry solar]

Used to what made a good outlaw was energy efficiency. Now you either have an ininite amount or none at all.

[valid kindle]

mm for example

[late swallow]

It was worse than transmitter for pretty much everyone iirc

[glass mortar]

but yea they specifically changed HoC because they are dedicated to making 1.5m trinkets for all these specs they changed

well transmitter was absurdly overbudgeted for a 1.5m trinket

same as spymaster

[valid kindle]

unless you mean the last season on use trinket, then yeah that one sucked

[brave lagoon]

what have I done to deserve this fate

[fossil lintel]

I'll take something that doesn't interact with trickster over KS any day of the week

[covert kestrel]

stop pressing killing spree

[wintry solar]

137th times the charm

As the old saying goes

[brave lagoon]

lmao if only

this group doesn't need me to press KS to make ppl bump into each other

[drifting zinc]

How do you begin to practice outlaw rogue, just reread the guide and practice on dummies?

[glass mortar]

ye

[proud inlet]

i like recording my gameplay/target dummy and rewatching it and questioning the decisions

you notice really obvious stuff in hindsight

[novel socket]

that's a slippery rope

you can find yourself questioning why are you playing outlaw

[brave lagoon]

sadge

[wintry solar]

138th times the charm

As the old saying goes

[brave lagoon]

I love raiding

[wintry solar]

139th times the charm

As the old saying goes

[brave lagoon]

maybe the 1 button rotation will help allocate more brain power to the fight for these guys

[stuck patrol]

So I'm assuming charged bolts is going to be the pick forever for outlaw now yeah?

For the funny belt

[fossil lintel]

Who do you think will be the first streamer to do a one button only mythic run?

[late swallow]

Zac

[wintry solar]

Nah

I bet it'll be

[fossil lintel]

Zac doesn't have that kind of audience

[wintry solar]

Foxxy

[fossil lintel]

I can already see the yt thumbnail

[late swallow]

What if it’s palmbee

[wintry solar]

Then I wouldn't watch

[covert kestrel]

If there is one person that I think of championing the advent of the simplification of wow, its zac

hes just a man of the common man

[brave lagoon]

can't make this shit up

[late swallow]

Actually a really good point

[covert kestrel]

did the holy pala press killing spree

[glass mortar]

listen it happens to everyone once

and to some people 20 or 30 times

[covert kestrel]

and to some, 140 times

[brave lagoon]

[wintry solar]

141st times the charm

As the old saying goes

[glass mortar]

wow the rl of the altraid group i play with on fridays just posted our pull count for bosses this season

kinda crazy compared to past

sprocket confirmed hardest boss tho so dont feel bad

🫡

[proven ocean]

I love

[wintry solar]

Coffee

[glass mortar]

league o legands

[covert kestrel]

COCK

[glass mortar]

yup

[wintry solar]

RED BULL

Well those are the 4 main things he loves

[late swallow]

Mugger in 31 is sick

[glass mortar]

ye

keep in mind the guild is half mythic CE raiders on their alts and also progs these bosses after most of the nerfs and full gear basically

still funny to see how fast stuff got demolished

its a vibe

[brave lagoon]

I can't make this shit up

[proven ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/nuh-uh-cat-ghoul-gif-15685393113271845735

[covert kestrel]

how is morale in the raid

[brave lagoon]

I'll let you know when I find any

[tender wedge]

why is sprocket the hardest to reclear lol

same with my guild, sprocket took like 20 attempts then OAB took like 4

[brave lagoon]

it weighs so much on the moral when you look around and see 3-5 players consistently holding the group back

sitting here averaging single digit parses on vexie cuze I average 6-9 tricycle casts per fight I just wanna kms if I don't do them everyone else just stares at the boss until she enrages lmao

[cinder relic]

This is why u stop caring about parsing

[latent oak]

the alternative is to start caring about parsing more so u can get a better guild where u dont have to do 6-9 tricycle casts per fight :^)

[brave lagoon]

I mean yeah esp for 1st boss which means little, but it kinda sets the stage for how the rest of the tier will go when nobody bothers to put enough effort to press 1 button on a fuckin bike

[wary sandal]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[tight kernel]

just ks them off u

[wintry solar]

If I were president, I'd put the entire US budget into WoW 2

[glass mortar]

wow 2

standing for wow "this time it uses 2 whole cores of your processor instead of 1"

[wintry solar]

Weran gets it

And

Not only that

But acro as well

[glass mortar]

!!!

2 yard increased melee range

2 targets added to bf cap

ar given 2 charges

what else would it 2

[wintry solar]

2 raids a tier

2 tier bonuses

[late swallow]

2 tier bonuses would go dummy

bring back wrist, belt, and boot tier

[wintry solar]

2 viable hero trees

[glass mortar]

2 baddy void antags with twice the number of feet hanging around in midair

[glass mortar]

i thought we were being realistic

[wintry solar]

Dw

There's 4 hero trees

2 charges of killing spree

[restive dove]

https://tenor.com/view/xalatath-xal'atath-feet-wow-world-of-warcraft-gif-17385860347846332910

[keen belfry]

sup delve

[hidden bay]

Belt good now after buff?

[radiant root]

ye

[cinder haven]

The vers version got weird though?

0.75s icd sounds bad for us

[sudden fulcrum]

i wish the effects were more interesting

[cinder haven]

Guess we’ll use damage proc

[sudden fulcrum]

stat/damage procs are zzzzzzzzzzz

[cinder haven]

Yeah pretty boring

Maybe HO can use the crit one

Guess we’ll have to see what the sims say

[hidden bay]

What wouldnt be zzzzzzzzz

Spec alr has shitloads going on

[wintry solar]

MORE MORE MORE MORE MORE

[sudden fulcrum]

generally i like effects that change the way you play in some way rather than a passive that does stuff like that

old corruption allowed creation of new builds and new stuff to try, as an example

[wintry solar]

Well I like actives that change the way I play

Smh

[sudden fulcrum]

sounds like we are on the same page

[wintry solar]

I want more buttons

I talented into deft as ho so I have another button to press

[sudden fulcrum]

is KS in every outlaw build?

[hidden bay]

More shit to track on outlaw

You are joking

[wintry solar]

I want kir/ho build with deft, mfd, ER, and dreadblades.

With KS ofc

As trickster

Half joking

[hidden bay]

I just want them to remove replace or rework ks

And maybe fix kir container

And not add too much extra shit to track

Then i drop the enha arc and come back home to rogue

[halcyon garden]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[halcyon garden]

where can i find the weapon swap wa

[west dirge]

should be in zac wa pack

[compact smelt]

@vivid vessel is this just a /cast /cancelaura macro for slice and dice?
https://youtu.be/DTk5Foei3-c?t=1085

are you just getting insanely lucky here with ruthlessness or is there something more to it

[kind otter]

Where belt sims?

[mighty pivot]

#subtlety message

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[mighty pivot]

here for dslice too

tl;dr is to use charged bolts for any spec and content if those numbers remain

[vale warren]

How does sin get 3.3% from mark of the wild

Does it double dip or something

[uneven swan]

is it just me or is a +9 harder than a +10?

[hexed whale]

!bugs

[ornate heath]

[Outlaw bug Thread](#1276315296159760467 message)

[hidden bay]

No its true

9s are not worth doing so a lot worse ppl apply and do them compared to 10s

[simple relic]

we using the versa belt thing?

disc belt i mean

[jolly geyser]

They mega buffed it recently no?

[simple relic]

they mega buffed everything tho

idk if the dmg proc stuff scales of versa might be good as well

since they buffed the st one like 140%

[mighty pivot]

read 10 messages up

[azure vortex]

Can you drop one armed bandit pools on top of each other?

[civic void]

No

[azure vortex]

Why so? The damage doesnt seem to kill players even with 150% increased damage debuff

Is there some unwritten thing

[civic void]

The center of the pool is going to be pushed out and it will expand from outside

It's not about damage it's just not gonna do what you expect

[azure vortex]

Oh I see

Thanks

[echo tide]

!kir

[ornate heath]

KIR build compared to HO:

• doesn't use ambush, uses the same builder priority inside and outside of stealth
• is more cp efficient with pistol shot usage (see faq)
• has to use KIR itself as soon as you hit 4 buffs from RTB/CTO
• has an additional reroll logic after pressing KIR (see faq)
• is more punishing if you mess up builder priority at a given moment
• needs 19% haste from rating to reach 25% during adrenaline rush after alacrity
• KIR 1 FTH really likes trickster optimizations, like prioritizing SS when unseen blades are guaranteed (see faq)

[onyx latch]

Why would you want to play as a Rogue Wound Poison in Cinderbrew?

[vivid vessel]

last 4 set of adds

that heals up

[daring oxide]

Ohhhh

I didn’t know that lmao

[vivid vessel]

if you get them under 50% any damage done is bonus

[uneven swan]

ahh

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel i wonder if outlaw is undersimming

i did 11.7m for 8 mins

i was afk for 30 seconds to screenshot and shit

[vivid vessel]

why are you even playing outlaw

[proven ocean]

im enjoying it

[vivid vessel]

trying to steal the tech or what

[proven ocean]

i like KS abit

what tech

[vivid vessel]

outlaw > sin

[proven ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/nuh-uh-cat-ghoul-gif-15685393113271845735

sin > my balls > outlaw

[vivid vessel]

wtfff

[proven ocean]

zac

[vivid vessel]

such disrespect

[proven ocean]

how much can u do on 5 targets

[vivid vessel]

no idea

[proven ocean]

i did 6billiondmg, you?

[vivid vessel]

20 BILLION BIG ONES

[proven ocean]

no cappi tho

i think i played it perfect

zac i had a weird moment where i didnt KS before coup

idk why i did that

but i had a rly good reason

forgot why

felt like a huge dps gain

idk why

[vivid vessel]

you are losing cdr so

[proven ocean]

i know i know

[vivid vessel]

thats prolly bad always

[proven ocean]

i dont know why i did it

i had a really good reason

im trying to remmeber

oh

yea

now i remmeber zac

i had 1.5 sec left on my 6 buffs and i had choice to either full cp KS or coup

i pressed coup then pressed KIR to keep buffs up

otherwise i would've lost all 6 buffs

very rare no cappi or

[vivid vessel]

ye i mean

[proven ocean]

?

[vivid vessel]

i do that sometimes

like not press ks

to get kir off

[proven ocean]

yea

[vivid vessel]

just something you know its better

doesnt matter much for sims

[proven ocean]

what amount of buffs do u KiR

[vivid vessel]

prolly happen once or twice a key max

4 buffs

but i fish

[proven ocean]

btw i notice alot of PS are just falling cuz too many procs

[vivid vessel]

till last moment

[vivid vessel]

ye

i think thats fine tho

[proven ocean]

what do u do

for that

do u drop it

no way or

surely u SS over bladeflurry?

or

[vivid vessel]

sometimes you dont have a choice

yes sometimes

[proven ocean]

ok

[vivid vessel]

honestly i couldnt really tell you what i do

but it make sense

[proven ocean]

yea

i get u

[vivid vessel]

its like sometimes you are about to drop, so you just fish a ss

[proven ocean]

i mean i think we both do the same, this version of outlaw feels quite clear

[vivid vessel]

get it back

[proven ocean]

like

[vivid vessel]

or whatever

[proven ocean]

nothing feels off

[vivid vessel]

ye its mostly intuitive

[proven ocean]

its very easy to play ngl

i just think i have to get used to it in real combat

not dummies

[vivid vessel]

i think the biggest issue is learning ks

[proven ocean]

i prob can do same as ur dps in dummies

i think i already do but

[leaden folio]

skill issue zeross

[proven ocean]

possibly

i mean

[fallen knot]

but

[proven ocean]

its easy now that u told me KS > coup

[fallen knot]

it's weird to ks with a coup ready and send coup at 1cp no?

[vivid vessel]

not really

[fallen knot]

like, it happens way too often to me, surely i'm doing something wrong

[proven ocean]

no

zac is right, it feels good to KS first

if KS is off the flow

ur dps is fucked

[vivid vessel]

i think often enough you can adr/bf or fth

[proven ocean]

coup > KS is only good "short term"

[vivid vessel]

instead of sending low cp coup

[proven ocean]

not long term

so like

if the boss is gonna die in 5 seconds

u can coup > KS

[fallen knot]

yea i should not talk i play ho

[vivid vessel]

[proven ocean]

u need KS cdr

cuh

[vivid vessel]

ho enjoyuer

i cant

[proven ocean]

my gear is kinda good

@vivid vessel

i just need cappo

zac

[vivid vessel]

btw ross

i didnt know

do you know you can pre cloak 2nd boss dot application

if it goes on you it just disapear

[proven ocean]

of what

[vivid vessel]

2nd boss

[proven ocean]

priory?

[vivid vessel]

rook

sorry

i didnt say the key

[proven ocean]

well

i had an idea of that ye i just never rly did it

[vivid vessel]

i did it accidentally

[proven ocean]

i need cloak for deathmark

[vivid vessel]

just cloaked something else

[proven ocean]

i used to do it start of season

[vivid vessel]

and we didnt get debuff

[proven ocean]

but it was a big dps loss for me

so i never did it again

need cloak for deathmark

[vivid vessel]

its a bit sketchy to press cloak as outlaw

cause you need it for bad ks

i never use cloak as a def anymore

so cringe

[proven ocean]

same, need for deathmark

can't really do it

[vivid vessel]

btw

you know first pack rook

there is the guy with shield

[proven ocean]

ya

[vivid vessel]

how does the shield actually act

is it imune

[fallen knot]

deflect

[vivid vessel]

like i dont really understand

whats haepppening

[proven ocean]

wait holyshmoly is typing

[fallen knot]

it's basically dodge but for everything

[proven ocean]

i dont know either

[vivid vessel]

so i shouldnt be hitting it

[proven ocean]

i just atk void rider

[vivid vessel]

idk this thing is so cringe

[red zinc]

zac do you mean like

[vivid vessel]

if you ss onto it

[proven ocean]

all i know is that

[vivid vessel]

you get cps

[proven ocean]

u have to be behind it

[vivid vessel]

but not ub stacks

[red zinc]

the very first dot application

[vivid vessel]

ye tim

[fallen knot]

yea i mean

it's not dodge per se

[red zinc]

oh

so rng

[vivid vessel]

ye

[red zinc]

i mean i guess its fine

[fallen knot]

you hit and he just deflects

[red zinc]

not cloaking anyway

otherwise

gamba spec 2.0

[vivid vessel]

ye im not cloaking this boss usually

[red zinc]

yeah you'd only really cloak if healer sucks and you are low just before jump happens

[vivid vessel]

its just such a furstrating mechanic

[red zinc]

and if thats the case you aint killing boss

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel btw

how is our score still higher than kira

[vivid vessel]

idk they are washed up

[proven ocean]

20% avoidance is carrying them on TR or what

[vivid vessel]

bro i would be flying if we got that cinder 21

[proven ocean]

[vivid vessel]

im so sad

[fallen knot]

kush is trolling them

[proven ocean]

i think everyone will get cinder 21 ye

[fallen knot]

have you seen last kira short?

[proven ocean]

its very free

dont think u should be worried about that key

[vivid vessel]

i know

[proven ocean]

its more like

priory 21

[vivid vessel]

but we got it yesterday almost

[proven ocean]

that shit is gonna be wild imo

[vivid vessel]

would have been good

to get ride of it

i think we can do prio 21

we have been cooking up some routes

i think we have a plan now

also

ross

[proven ocean]

i think most 21s are possible

[vivid vessel]

we have done the dog pack

on boss

every single time

in 20 and 21

[proven ocean]

ye if u stack its ez

[vivid vessel]

just saying

you know

[proven ocean]

nice

idk how to get more time in floodgates tho

cuz like

i know we can live it easily

[vivid vessel]

I do

i cooked up something

[proven ocean]

timer is mega tight on 21

[red zinc]

man

[vivid vessel]

you just need a kezan route ross

imo

[proven ocean]

what did u cook cuz the big routes are insanely impossible

[red zinc]

i hate being like this but

[proven ocean]

u need arcane mage

[vivid vessel]

small chill route

[red zinc]

feel like i could legit time half 19 half 20 if given any chance

but i aint tipping

and started late

[proven ocean]

idk

[vivid vessel]

its mostly normal route tho

we are doing last 2 cause our comp is good for that

[proven ocean]

atleast rookery 21 looks very easy with belt i think we can easily do it

[vivid vessel]

and we are doing a diff order, + chaining into pack 7 and pack 7 setup is much easier this way

i think with belt we have the time for flood 21 with a perfect run

[proven ocean]

u prob have a way bigger chance to time it as sin on 21

[vivid vessel]

no

[proven ocean]

it does so much more dps in flood

[vivid vessel]

outlaw better fr fr on god

[proven ocean]

like

sin isn't just better

its like

stronger than every spec in the game imo

in flood that is

very good sin key

[fallen knot]

cause of a lot of big mobs that need funneling?

[proven ocean]

yea

the adds that u get for funnel dont die fast

[fallen knot]

and a lot of idiot mobs that you can use to funnel bosses

yea

[proven ocean]

which is great for sin

[onyx latch]

thanks for the tip. and why do you keep spamming SnD between pulls?

[fallen knot]

also big momma is legit a funnel boss

[proven ocean]

we had 3:20 on big momma on 19 2 weeks ago

i destroyed his ass

[fallen knot]

and again

sin doesnt have a suicidal spell

[strong cargo]

To get cdr, and maybe keep alacrity why not

Not a big deal tho

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel

they're wiping in 20 rook

legit easiest key atm

no cappi

or

?

im surprised drjay's team is doing way better than kira team

wouldn't call it jay's team cuz i think sjele's even doing the callouts or someshit

idk

@vivid vessel oh btw

i think sin will be meta next season

cuz i just realized every class's tier set is crazy broken

and sin is super op by itself

[daring oxide]

thats if they make no tuning changes to sin right

i also think outlaw would still be doing great damge in m+ next season

regardless of tier set

[fallen knot]

where can i read 11.2 tiersets

[daring oxide]

secret build

[proven ocean]

why would they do tunings

its not op in raid

[daring oxide]

because its blizzard

they have their own view

[leaden folio]

blizzard just buff the most played spec

so they will buff palret, and surely ass again

[proven ocean]

if assa becomes meta

i'll dominate sin dps

so hard

you have no idea

i have sin m+ dps running in my veins

[night pond]

Any calls for what else will be meta oh wise brother @proven ocean

[proven ocean]

idk

all we need is a good sin tier set

and its gg

[vivid vessel]

[radiant vessel]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[late swallow]

Any calls for what else will be meta oh wise brother @proven ocean

[wintry solar]

Unholy dk

[red zinc]

blud thought destro would be meta in s4 he aint cooking anymore

Nobody knows what will be meta before a ptr even drops lizzard cooks random bs

[latent oak]

surely its blood dks time

[covert kestrel]

hes the biggest slut for numbers i know

[latent oak]

frost s1 unhoky s2 blood s3

[late swallow]

Who thought 2 button uhdk would end up so strong

[red zinc]

i mean after ptr boomie udk was pretty present alr

and mage existing makes it meta so

[late swallow]

Time is a flat circle

[covert kestrel]

boomie might be the most boring playstyle ive ever tried

but it does look pretty and numbers go up

[leaden folio]

there is a season without mage being meta ?

can't remember