barrier tank spec
#outlaw
lime lake
daring oxide
Focused on parrying physical attacks and deflecting magic
fallen knot
i read 1 every 5 messages i'm sorry
late swallow
lyric crest
someone put an image of the goblin alchemist from warcraft 3 in here
that could be the warlock tank spec
glass mortar
??????????????????/
brother ur pan fried someone asked u that almost immediatly
😠
late swallow
solo is about to be like "this is off topic guys" 
glass mortar
on topic 
lyric crest
at topic
shell fossil
rogue in cata for most was ej/shadowpanther guide and mechanics wut even is a haste
gaunt phoenix
The KIR build wants ~19% haste as a priority. So it becomes 25% after alacrity bonus
The HO build is more flexible with haste, it already reaches 25% with minimal gear investment. But it still likes extra haste for energy. It can sim around 14-18%, it's just becomes a good stat rather than requirement
glass mortar
going off topic isnt an issue unless questions are being missed or the off topic has 10 of us cringers spamming 10 lines of text a second
fossil lintel
Solo, doesn't alacrity give you 5%? Why do we want 19? Or does it multiply your haste by 1.05?
glass mortar
haste is multiplicative
gaunt phoenix
Solo, doesn't alacrity give you 5%? Why do we want 19? Or does it multiply your ...
It does multiply and then add
glass mortar
and additive yea. its weird but the more haste u have the more % haste amps give u
gaunt phoenix
19.05% is the technical number to reach 25%
fossil lintel
Got it
gaunt phoenix
cause it is 19.05 * 1.05 + 5
fossil lintel
Or just 1.1905 * 1.05
latent panther
!bugs
ornate heathBOT
[Outlaw bug Thread](#1276315296159760467 message)
gaunt phoenix
math 
lime lake
gaunt phoenix
all haste buffs in the whole game, lust etc.
fossil lintel
Huh, it makes sense why haste is good on so many classes
jolly geyser
goblin for kil jaeden remix
vivid vessel
is twitch broken
keen wraith
i read this part. i added 2 crafted pieces in topgear and ran an unbuffed sim and it still goes for the vers / crit outcome. i am sitting on 14% HO build. maybe my gear is too low with 660 but i dont want to waste crafting currencies when trying to reach a mathematical softcap. thats why i was asking.
jolly geyser
is twitch broken
in what way
fossil lintel
And crit % doesn't do that, right? Like RP?
vivid vessel
in what way
a lot of ways
fair sparrow
Ok I understand it now
jolly geyser
a lot of ways
yes
gaunt phoenix
well you have 14% haste as HO and it says that is expected, no?
Are you saying it wants you to dip below 14%
keen wraith
but i ran an unbuffed sim and i was expecting to get the outcome that i need more haste
gaunt phoenix
are you playing the M+ version without ghostly strike?
keen wraith
yes
gaunt phoenix
ah removing gs does lower haste value
keen wraith
okay then i will just craft whatever topgear says without worrying about a haste soft cap. ty all
gaunt phoenix
one thing
without ghostly strke, your sim might tell you to go down to like 9% haste
this is fine but you dont have to really
at that point the difference between like 14% haste and 9% haste is minimal
and you can like
feelcraft that 14% haste improves variance/feels better
keen wraith
i see, thank you
remote pecan
no need to overthink haste too much just go with what the sim says, i'm playing with 19% haste currently regardless of build
jolly geyser
kill mobs and shit
remote pecan
same gear any build press buttons 😄
glass mortar
i always go for 19% haste because its near optimal for HO ghostly and lets me play kir and isnt much worse for HO no ghostly
but if u just wanna play the no ghostly varient u can drop a bunch yea
gaunt phoenix
i like having ~14% for keys and then haste flask for raid
lime lake
i prefer 18.76% haste, 19% just felt like too much
gaunt phoenix
true
glass mortar
well im rounding up i actually use 18.69% haste obviously
jolly geyser
I got 16 unbuffed
glass mortar
since thats the funny breakpoint
late swallow
are we really going through the rigmarole here without mentioning the goat's 38% haste builds?
jolly geyser
would think 18-19 good
gaunt phoenix
rigamarole
jolly geyser
should change gems for 18+ but I like being above 8 mill on main
gaunt phoenix
i thought you made a based reference to how mariah carey pronounces that word
lime lake
rigbymole
fallen knot
can multishot omega ninjapull mobs that are close but not in combat with you?
late swallow
i thought you made a based reference to how mariah carey pronounces that word
god I love mariah carey
gaunt phoenix
true
jolly geyser
wonder if posty been streaming lately
glass mortar
i dont know if ive ever heard a song by her other then the christmas one everyone memes
i probably have but i just dont know she was the artist
gaunt phoenix
Uncultured
late swallow
i dont know if ive ever heard a song by her other then the christmas one everyon...
production on that entire record is immaculate
cerulean zenith
Hi, I've been maintaining a WA pack for my personal use to ease my learning curve for outlaw due to the many conditions in the rotation, but as it's for an alt, it's getting a bit cumbersome to keep up with the changes. Do you have some (actively maintained) WA pack to recommend ?
gaunt phoenix
!wa
ornate heathBOT
Class packs:
Guy's - Afenar's Edit 
Luxthos Edit
Zac's Group 
Devlin
Utilities:
Combo Point Standalone
Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
Ace refund sound trigger
RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
Unseen Blade tracker
Fun:
Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
KS Ticking damage taken
gaunt phoenix
zac !
keen belfry
awang
glass mortar
yea zacs is great
just go in, steal his RtB section
delete everything else
then grab awangs
💅
cerulean zenith
Thanks will look at those !
late swallow
https://open.spotify.com/track/0pkIJFV6mviH9dmBYsFwTM?si=a107857abd2e479e
insane how much her sound evolved over the years
she was making great music for like 25 years
gaunt phoenix
your offtopic limit has expired
late swallow
your offtopic limit has expired
lime lake
glass mortar
gotta reapply for an OT visa
late swallow
followed you on spotify solo
gaunt phoenix
nice
glass mortar
really? its probably just hidden
glass mortar
doesnt every class discord have a secret channel for all the insiders sharing the real guides toget the top logs
lime lake
yeah that part is true
jolly geyser
doesnt every class discord have a secret channel for all the insiders sharing th...
ye we got #1340028931285450824
glass mortar
I was gunna link to https://discord.com/channels/124169701881282560/1231592737221120152
same idea tho
jolly geyser
glass mortar
idk how it went for most channels, i know for priest discord they had a shadow which had far too much OT, so they made a dedicated shadow OT
and that got too OT still somehow
glass mortar
so it went to hidden channel
solo u had a chance to link to a staff channel none of us can access without giving the name to troll us all and didnt
glass mortar
wtf did gifs die
lime lake
i refused to keep my :3 confined to a single channel
glass mortar
i refused to keep my :3 confined to a single channel
glass mortar
they just look dead theres never that many people asking questions outside posts of big changes
but its bad if actual questions get lost in the random bullshit so
jolly geyser
fair
glass mortar
and thats very possible in here if u got a few of the key yappers going at it
jolly geyser
z..
gaunt phoenix
yes
lime lake
but yes
glass mortar
absolutely send it daily
keen belfry
redo
jolly geyser
its a huge cock
glass mortar
oh man discord is dying rn
keen belfry
yeah i think so too
lime lake
yeah its struggling
glass mortar
i took a screenshot of what i saw from ur upload fail and tried to upload it and it couldnt upload 30 kb
royal ermine
twitch is super fucked for me disc is working though
glass mortar
u can upload photos?
lime lake
It's joever
keen belfry
is it gonna work
lime lake
Y2k finally happening
glass mortar
! it worked
gaunt phoenix
jolly geyser
mine didnt work
lime lake
jolly geyser
was ryu post
gaunt phoenix
it's not loading
glass mortar
u can but ur not gunna beat the obesessed allegations if u do
(the allegations just started, im the one who started them)
covert kestrel
awang just trollin
glass mortar
awang trolling a high end MM streamer who he doesnt like
storm drum
so how is this awang guy going to harass a streamer then post them in rogue discord with obsessive beahviors and it be alright?
cinder relic
I see
keen belfry
so how is this awang guy going to harass a streamer then post them in rogue disc...
dustyfarley
cinder relic
Very odd yeah idk
covert kestrel
so how is this awang guy going to harass a streamer then post them in rogue disc...
streamers arent people
storm drum
nah its a bit obsesive harassament
covert kestrel
nah its a bit obsesive harassament
oh shit its the dudes alt
keen belfry
dustys in his chat
glass mortar
posting it everyday would be weird
posting it once was alright, not super tox or anything
covert kestrel
the reaction is objectively hilarious
keen belfry
i think its a objectively funny gif
glass mortar
well u need alot of context to understand it but his reaction is funny yea
gaunt phoenix
wow banned
keen belfry
its browse thing is
storm drum
lol i dont even see the ppl i follow on the left
keen belfry
dust is venera trolling or does he believe what he says
glass mortar
this chat is just awang and his 15 alteregos chatting with each other
storm drum
fuck now im forced to do epidimiology homework
late swallow
oh shit the internet is over?
glass mortar
guys when is he gunna wake up
storm drum
im new to venera streams
you hate watch and troll and got banned lmao
late swallow
the friends list of the dude in the gif has a guildie of mine
random stirrup
Hate watching is a glorious activity
late swallow
storm drum
Hes a pro league gamer and coach lol i use to be a pro smite players...i mean....
covert kestrel
you hate watch and troll and got banned lmao
tier 3 sub coming to favorite streamers defense
storm drum
not even some rando rogue in lfg hate watching and trolling per usual
glass mortar
guys this is not the place for streamer drama, this is the place for inter discord drama
unless u are planning to attack all of MM hunter discord please take it to the dms and twitch
keen belfry
weran this is fun
glass mortar
ty
glass mortar
ok im just warning u because i dont disagree with ur takes on that guy based on the times ive watched, but u are toeing the line of not beating the allegations rn
best to just avoid people u dont like playing with
and move on
storm drum
you must be in high school to harrass then get your friends to harasst hem as well and make alt accounts lmao idgaf im indiferent but you have issues bud
covert kestrel
you must be in high school to harrass then get your friends to harasst hem as we...
cinder relic
Enough random twitch drama
late swallow
you think diddy studied epididdlemology?
sudden fulcrum
you must be in high school to harrass then get your friends to harasst hem as we...
you don't sound indifferent at all, you sound very upset
keen belfry
guy can u stream so i can lovewatch
cinder relic
How do I come back from a 4-5 day internet detox and like the first thing going on is random streamer drama
late swallow
glass mortar
unfair represenation this is like the first streamer drama we've had in forever
i dont even remember the last one
cinder relic
guy can u stream so i can lovewatch
I will stream this tier for sure
keen belfry
How do I come back from a 4-5 day internet detox and like the first thing going ...
i lost my hate watch virginity this week and i had to let it out
random stirrup
Holy moly
keen belfry
i had to tell the world
red zinc
guy you only type when you can do the holier than thou thing
ryu banned for a while -> internet detox
suspicious timing
cinder relic
guy you only type when you can do the holier than thou thing
Not true. Does happen a lot though
keen belfry
but i genuinely recommend his stream, he will brick a key then ego on all of LFG with resi 18 saying people should be blessed to play with him. its legit entertaining AF
i may be his biggest fan at this point
red zinc
literally me omg
storm drum
awang do you stream?
keen belfry
only for friends who want to watch prog or something
storm drum
or you stand in stuff and complain about killing spree zing lol
covert kestrel
glass mortar
i mean crashing out about dying to spree is mandatory outlaw behavior at this point
zac does it like 4 times a week
storm drum
storm drum
I mean to be honest not many rogue streamers actually get viewers...its probably becaseu of our personalities
late swallow
yeah pikaboo has a dogshit personality
glass mortar
not many wow streamers get viewers if we are being honest
storm drum
its either gameplay or entertainment or tities
glass mortar
other then ones that are part of the big orgs and have been around for a loooooong time
like u could probably say that about 50% of the specs in the game
late swallow
its either gameplay or entertainment or tities
if pikaboo got breast implants, he'd have all 3
he'd be the goat
storm drum
pikabo has the worst personality right just yaps and gives us entertainment plus some gamep-lay and swapped to legaue and got 10x veiwership lol
keen belfry
dust it sounds like you just hate people
keen belfry
other than venera
late swallow
pikaboo is great vibes bro
storm drum
delve you didnt get the sarcasm
covert kestrel
mf called you delve LMAOOOO
storm drum
awang only frontier and sominus like everything you say i see your click lol
glass mortar
oh mb i thought u really meant it
yea its kinda insane how much wow was holding him back
covert kestrel
awang only frontier and sominus like everything you say i see your click lol
clique*
glass mortar
pikas super entertaining
keen belfry
click
storm drum
are you going to make alt accounts and follow me around and harrass me tooo? never beating your allegations?
glass mortar
which is sad cause i loved watching him play sub in arenas
gaunt phoenix
i think we can stop now
glass mortar
hated running into him over and over at 1900 rating while trying to get my friends their mogs tho
stay in ur lane buddy (his lane is 3k mmr)
cinder relic
Enough streamer drama thanks!
late swallow
i queued into pika once during a viewer 2s stream in bfa
he just breakdanced all over us
glass mortar
dude i used to run into him all the fukin time
keen belfry
i once did a key with jpc nbd
storm drum
i wooped pikas ass in BFA
glass mortar
just 1v2ing with viewers at 1900 mmr
late swallow
he didn't hit me with the camera though
if he did I would have been on suicide watch
storm drum
lmao
tulip quarry
Do we have any data on the belt or still nothing for now ?
echo tide
yeah pikaboo has a dogshit personality
That guy is not even a rogue streamer anymore
Fake news
storm drum
took like 10-15 mins but my twitch finally fixed itself
late swallow
That guy is not even a rogue streamer anymore
i mean, his legacy is big enough I'd say
gaunt phoenix
I tried to sim the belt but it looked like some the effects were not implemented
storm drum
hes now just a dirty lucian adc that complains becasue he has no macro game
gaunt phoenix
it looks pretty minimal right now
tulip quarry
Think we will go toward versa buff
glass mortar
the hunter discord said they are expecting it to be like 1-2% increase over bis current belt
gaunt phoenix
yea
storm drum
belt is what 0.5% maybe it get buffed maybe its just shit
glass mortar
so i cant imagine it wouldnt also be good for us
but also the best gem was looking like a vers stat proc (for them) so
maybe the direct damage effects r undertuned
gem or power or w/e they r called
royal ermine
it'll get last second buffed surely
keen belfry
should i stream mugzee today @glass mortar
glass mortar
farm? prog?
keen belfry
prog
echo tide
i mean, his legacy is big enough I'd say
Should’ve brought up reckful if we’re going by these rules
glass mortar
hell yea
keen belfry
we suck
glass mortar
r u playing trickster
late swallow
Should’ve brought up reckful if we’re going by these rules
i would honestly argue that pikaboo was more entertaining than reckful
keen belfry
my rogue hasnt been in a mythic raid this tier
late swallow
reckful was always just locked in during gameplay
edgy phoenix
i would honestly argue that pikaboo was more entertaining than reckful
not even up for a discussion
late swallow
i think streaming evolved a lot since reckful's time tho
glass mortar
reckfuls gameplay might have peaked higher then pikas (its hard to compare honestly, different generations of the game)
but pika at peak entertainment when hes just doing viewer 2s with some music going and drinks out
late swallow
reckfuls gameplay might have peaked higher then pikas (its hard to compare hones...
yeah, streaming and wow changed so much between their eras
glass mortar
massive positive vibes
echo tide
i would honestly argue that pikaboo was more entertaining than reckful
Idk different eras different personalities
But he was literally the rogue
glass mortar
yea that too it depends on what kinda personality u vibe with, they were both very chill tho
storm drum
You guys dont understand that Reckful paved the way for streamers
late swallow
yeah byron was very good at his time
novel timber
I've been playing HO this whole time and am making the jump to KiR, can someone give me a quick KiR guide on when to reroll/KiR?
gaunt phoenix
!kir
ornate heathBOT
KIR build compared to 
HO:
- doesn't use ambush, uses the same builder priority inside and outside of stealth
- is more cp efficient with pistol shot usage (see faq)
- has to use KIR itself as soon as you hit 4 buffs from RTB/CTO
- has an additional reroll logic after pressing KIR (see faq)
- is more punishing if you mess up builder priority at a given moment
- needs 19% haste from rating to reach 25% during adrenaline rush after alacrity
- KIR 1 FTH really likes trickster optimizations, like prioritizing SS when unseen blades are guaranteed (see faq)
storm drum
reckful was way more entertaining and way more gameplay...pika's gameplay was just dogging on 1600 players in 2s
glass mortar
god now i need to go watch some old wow rogue pvp vods from the machinma era
late swallow
reckful was way more entertaining and way more gameplay...pika's gameplay was ju...
i mean, he won blizz championships
storm drum
RIP to the goat Byron Bernstein
glass mortar
i mean pikas gameplay was 1v2ing at 1800-2k mmr
late swallow
r1 dozens of times
storm drum
pika hardly ever streamed competitve content it wasusually him and absterge and the 3rd just drinking
late swallow
huh, he's streamed his r1 solo queue gameplay all the time
storm drum
i mean pikas gameplay was 1v2ing at 1800-2k mmr
ive been carrying ppl in 2s to 2k for gold since cata mate thats not skill
late swallow
it's just not entertaining to watch high end pvp
echo tide
i mean, he won blizz championships
Pika never won any huge event I’m pretty sure
storm drum
I use to be yeah sure..
glass mortar
doing it as sub rogue where ur entire gimick is setup and tight burst windows and not just pveing guys down especially
echo tide
Always 2nd place
storm drum
Delve you must be new to the game
glass mortar
hmmm
keen belfry
delve
storm drum
SUb rogues have always been gods at pvp until recent meta is just press 5-6 buttons as fast as possible
late swallow
Pika never won any huge event I’m pretty sure
glass mortar
dont think i said sub rogues werent gods at pvp
glass mortar
but the difference between an 1800 and a 3k sub rogue is astounding most seasons
storm drum
doing it as sub rogue where ur entire gimick is setup and tight burst windows and not just pveing guys down especially this statment iss i mean what?
3k is only inflations
keen belfry
dust whats ur ign
glass mortar
sure thats where all the best players end up around the end of the season
echo tide
https://liquipedia.net/worldofwarcraft/Pikaboo/Results
Yeah they won only qualifiers
glass mortar
i havent gotten to 2600 in at least 4 months tho so if u wanna explain more to me
echo tide
Never the finals
glass mortar
its possible pvp has changed alot in a short time idk
glass mortar
i just grind out elite mogs and enchant and sometimes a 2400 title
glass mortar
but i dont have the time in my life to sit in 30 minute shuffle lobby queues anymore
so i sorta gave it up after i get my elite
glass mortar
brother i started out this game pvping in open world in cataclysm on my rogue
i pvped for 4 years before i even touched a raid
late swallow
sub rogue gods in cata
keen belfry
so you were the bully that killed me while leveling in mop?
glass mortar
that definitly sounds like me
lime lake
wait poopfartguy killed me too wtf
glass mortar
cata was first expan i even dabbled in real pve tbh doing herioc dungeons and such
i was a world pvp casual prior
sub rogue was such a banger in cata/panda/wod ngl
favorite pve spec of the time
glass mortar
ye wod was my first aotc on imperator and i was hooked
late swallow
sub last tier of wod was so funny
royal ermine
dust whats ur ign
Dustzx area 52
glass mortar
"why isnt the sub rogue on the dps chart we are like 20 seconds into the fight"
lime lake
keen belfry
ye wod was my first aotc on imperator and i was hooked
same bro! maybe you are back to being okay'd by awang
glass mortar
10% of the bosses hp suddenly dissapears
storm drum
how do you know this
brother i got fans
storm drum
plus i told you my ign name on twitch
red zinc
bro
glass mortar
sub rogue with infinite cp income from the raid, dynamic bleed durations and massive dance burst
keen belfry
why is discord flagging dustx as a spammer
red zinc
hes showing as a likely spammer on my shit
glass mortar
that is weird
red zinc
ive not ignored him
late swallow
hahaha same here
late swallow
storm drum
it legit disconnected my discord and i had to reset everything lmao like what
glass mortar
kk so im not going crazy
red zinc
discord is on your ass twin
glass mortar
ah maybe thats why
storm drum
sus activities werid
sudden fulcrum
Discord is so based
glass mortar
discord might think u got hacked
storm drum
yeah thats what it said
storm drum
rofl
storm drum
im broke college student like what
glass mortar
yea thats abit odd, maybe someone tried to login from another IP?
might wanna change ur pass rq
gaunt phoenix
what have you done
glass mortar
he said he got dc'd and had to log back in and now discord is flagging him for spam lmao
storm drum
yeah i changed it said discord message limited my activities until tomorrow and i can appeal but like i dont think it limited anything
gaunt phoenix
its awang
red zinc
awang the feds
storm drum
are you guys spam reproting me for spam?
glass mortar
oh fuck we forgot to warn him awangs dad is discord
storm drum
lmao
gaunt phoenix
no lol
glass mortar
i aint ever reported anyone in discord channels
late swallow
reporting is a low T behavior
keen belfry
we never report here
storm drum
no some ppl report in the assasination channel got a mute for opinionated conversations lmao
outlaw is where all the crazies are tho so we chillin
random stirrup
likely spammer
glass mortar
yea i mean nobody rlly reports people in here, look how long ryu lasted
jolly geyser
says dust is spammer ye
storm drum
i looked up your name in here dust, you seem to be a stirrer upper
yeah you know you cant just agree with everything everyone says then we would have no individualtiy
all i spam are lfg 16s and they brick because ppl are bad
red zinc
like streamer like viewer
glass mortar
is it me
glass mortar
that...
keen belfry
its so much work
glass mortar
sounds like an oversite
storm drum
lol what its effected it that much?
storm drum
dicord even said they made a mistake by flagging my acount or someone else logged in somewhere but i dont see anything lol
keen belfry
can we send pics yet
glass mortar
is this a new feature? has anyone ever even seen this before?
like i try to click the X next to the spammer warning and it literally doesnt do anything?
gaunt phoenix
i've seen it
storm drum
say what you want awang but watching venns stream and seeing the perseverance to just slam into lfg all the time on repeat gives some sort of weird motivation to see if he can do it while falling over like 3 times in every key i can do it too
keen belfry
so solo spam reports people?
jolly geyser
cant even upload evidence
keen belfry
yeah ive never hate watched before, but im actually loving it so far
jolly geyser
says error
keen belfry
i understand the appeal
royal ermine
I don't see the spam thing I feel left out 
keen belfry
he bricked a 19 top by 2 seconds and i almost stood up and cheered
he owns a piece of my brain r
storm drum
he bricked a 19 top by 2 seconds and i almost stood up and cheered
lol i mean that key was so close legit if any of the dps got like 1 extra proc they time. 6million boss health when clock hit 0 that shits like wtf
keen belfry
i saw something he did 200mil dmg to orb boss and 500mil to adds
that sounds like a misplay
royal ermine
I restarted discord on my comp and its failing at checking for updates 
storm drum
yeah a uhdk and arcane mage were tunneling bos while leaving adds to mm hunter instead of all three using their funnel thats a missplay
full dawn
is the runed of the undermine achievement that lets you trade runed crests for gilded character bound? i got the achievement on one toon but it isn't showing up to buy on my alt
full dawn
dang
keen belfry
good info delve
full dawn
gotcha, thank you
glass mortar
👍
cinder oxide
what would mm streamers do without dusts support
storm drum
i saw something he did 200mil dmg to orb boss and 500mil to adds
when i play mage on that boss and i get magis touch up when adds are out im like F yeah lol prio dmg cleave woot
storm drum
what would mm streamers do without dusts support
maybe you should play any video game at a pro level lol oh wait
cinder oxide
hello kitty island adventure hates to see me coming
keen belfry
when i play mage on that boss and i get magis touch up when adds are out im like...
the adds must be close to the boss for that to work
glass mortar
honestly the cleave range off that boss seems pretty big
guys can i admit something in here, is this a safe space
storm drum
yeah its a tiny platformloll
keen belfry
arcane cleave is weird
cinder oxide
yes princess
glass mortar
i didnt know that the adds always spawn in the back of the room no matter where u stand relative to the boss
i was always running to the back wall
keen belfry
thank you for opening up delve
cinder oxide
i mean theres some variance based on distance to boss
theyll spawn a little left or right
storm drum
lol just run to boss by the entrance and move back a bit or they might spawn on side of circle
cinder oxide
i thought they were gunna spawn on top of the boss
you were looking out for everyone else ❤️ good job
storm drum
nah they hotfixed it for sure
cinder oxide
to compensate for being too nice there you should perma stun whoever you pvp @glass mortar
glass mortar
gunna go home and logon classic just to do that 😻
im still so dissapointed kidney isnt a 9s stun on the pvp boss in ToP
storm drum
that was the intention of aoe kydney 12s????
sudden fulcrum
dust is back from spammer purgatory
storm drum
that would bring rogue back to the meta game for sure
cinder oxide
still shows spammer for me
storm drum
is it not labeling me a spammer anymore?
sudden fulcrum
yeah
storm drum
damn man
glass mortar
not for me
red zinc
ye hes freed
storm drum
fuckin wish i was a scamer spammer makin bank boys
frosty python
who is this message hidden from spammer thing?
storm drum
instead im just some bored lonely mad scientists
glass mortar
who is this message hidden from spammer thing?
someone got hecked by discord
storm drum
making e. coli and staphh cultures all this week hehehehe
cinder oxide
still spammer for me which must mean something
keen belfry
immunoloy fav class all time
jolly geyser
Make KS a stun and dmg
storm drum
yeah shits cool for sure
proven ocean
@daring oxide wanna do keys
red zinc
storm drum
fuckin spotify is down wtf
sudden fulcrum
this is why having the entire internet depend on Cloudflare is not good
storm drum
imagine an emp attack and everything is on one server kekw
I can't read three chapters of 4500 level epidimiology about fuckin diseases without listening to some jams
thank cheesus for youtube music
vivid vessel
@proven ocean depleted cause adds bugged on last boss and never snapped
vivid vessel
low af
proven ocean
u have brewmaster+warr buff
vivid vessel
i do that damage when i low roll
lime lake
well hes getting pi and thats like 2 combusts
bright crane
fuckin spotify is down wtf
There’s a massive GCP outage right now
Probably related to that
storm drum
yeah i just have to endure youtube music for now its gonna be okay
storm drum
aye i havent even checked my online books or homework websites lol
storm drum
lol thats partly true...I have interneship offers for when i graduate to make 90k-160k lol all mys hit works i guess ill go do the work lol
bright crane
Clearly you don’t work in tech good on ya
Ain’t nobody getting anything these days it’s brutal for people in school and new grads
storm drum
Clearly you don’t work in tech good on ya
rofl no shot...I work in the Evironmental Health Science/Safety industry.
Public Health Secots go wild since coviid
Sectors
wispy valve
if im making a rat rogue to play with friends only doing keys who probs wont be doing a full set of 12s anytime soon what should i be spending dinars on if at all? I assume just magnet maybe a capo?
storm drum
if im making a rat rogue to play with friends only doing keys who probs wont be ...
id say capo's first buy if your not raiding
wispy valve
id say capo's first buy if your not raiding
would crafted+cudgel not be better?
red zinc
you swap on capo for bosses in m+
storm drum
have you not looked at the weapon swap pin?
wispy valve
im not gonna lie weapon swapping is cringe so i will not be doing that
storm drum
becaue you can farm trinkets from m+ and if you arent doing 12s then you will be farming m+....
red zinc
id just play with two normal weapons in that case
cudgels loss on st is a bit too large to warrant not swapping
storm drum
weapon swap is so good lol
youll be losing out on like 3% overall dmg if you dont wep swap
red zinc
source: made it up
whole wren
just play 3% better
fallen knot
i am already tired of "pushing"
sudden fulcrum
whatcha pushin BUD
red zinc
cudgel on aoe is like 1.5% better at most
fallen knot
cinder 14, all are higher rio than me
red zinc
and on ST you have no gain with it at all
so if you literally just play with two normal weaposn
fallen knot
shaman and warr died 4times each
storm drum
cudgel on aoe is like 1.5% better at most
capos dmg does like 1-1.5% on bosses alone in m+ so idk i just did quick maths
storm drum
cinder 14, all are higher rio than me
show kicks and ccs done please
fallen knot
ccs done how
storm drum
shaman and warr died 4times each
well there is your answer they died lmao
storm drum
ccs done how
ccs done is in scripts
fallen knot
i full kidneyd all the hunters
storm drum
ccs done how
you should beat a warrior on the meters every single key and with enhance its ify sometimes ive seen some pump way hard
fallen knot
just dodge stuff
storm drum
lol you played well
get use to draggin other dpsers through keys man
i finally accpeted that just ppl have bad days and some ppl just dont belong in those keys and you drag them anyways
fallen knot
i should have mained outlaw all season
bright crane
Yeah you should have
storm drum
timiug 16s with mages dieing 8 times and them only doing 3 mil overall lol
bright crane
That’s your punishment, nonbeliever
storm drum
details doesnt account for downtime in between pulls the clock keeps ticking
fallen knot
and wlogs does i guess
fossil lintel
Yeah
storm drum
Dynamic overall dmg might calculate or apply the downtime with no actvie combat I'm not 100% sure
red zinc
capos dmg does like 1-1.5% on bosses alone in m+ so idk i just did quick maths
yeah you dont need to swap capo
mythic anyway
fossil lintel
Dynamic overall gives the same number as regular overall, just updates during combat, no?
storm drum
yeah you dont need to swap capo
Wait i dont have a mythic capo's but i still wep swap between cudgel and capo's in keys as outlaw and i have crafted 1 hander still havent gotten crwod favorite to drop and not buying it with dinar's when can pug and vault drop
storm drum
Dynamic overall gives the same number as regular overall, just updates during co...
That sounds accurate
glass mortar
yeah you dont need to swap capo
bcause u wear it on ur mh
why would u swap it
its ur bis weapon
red zinc
this guy (is) cooked
fallen knot
but if he has 681 crafted on mh and 671 capo he swaps capo no?
glass mortar
on oh yes
storm drum
yesh i have 681 crafted with heroic capos/cudgel for weps im wep swapping
sim tells me that cudgel is best in dungeon slice and capos offhand is best in st so just wep swap gg ez
quick maths
quake dmg is usually between 2.5-3% overall dmg in most keys which im sure if just keep capos on the entire dungeon or even one of my 684 daggers the dmg loss will be around 1.5-2% in overall dmg
weapon swap is a min/max and its another button for more fun XD
fallen knot
i'd craft the oh aswell and swap that with cudgel for aoe
glass mortar
wdym
storm drum
why when sims state even heroic capo's is better than any offhand crafted
red zinc
cant wait for next season so i never have to discuss this weapon again
storm drum
why are you being difficult?
glass mortar
herioc capo is stronger oh then crafted
storm drum
i have 3 mythic daggers no crowd favorite
have gotten 2 daggers in vault as well lmao
dont need em
glass mortar
well if ur getting daggers then ur opening vault as not outlaw loot spec
storm drum
but cant get a mythic outlaw wepaon 3 weeks now opening in outlaw spec or in raid
storm drum
the first 3 vaults i opened as assa last 3 i opened as outlaw
i think ive done mythic raid 5-7 times puggin all but 2 lol
yeah once i get crowd favorit drop i just get rid of crafted wep and still wep swap lmao
or just say fuck it and run crowd favorite and myth dagger for just ease of use and more surivability for the luls
probably would only be a .5% or 1% dmg loss at that point to not use wep swap
feral knoll
!wa
ornate heathBOT
Class packs:
- Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
- Zac's Group Devlin
Utilities: - Combo Point Standalone
- Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
- Ace refund sound trigger
- RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
- Unseen Blade tracker
Fun: - Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
- KS Ticking damage taken
keen belfry
dustx is cooking in here today
love coming back to outlaw disc and smelling the crockpot been active for a few hours
granite quarry
!prekey
ornate heathBOT
Pre-key fuckery
- RTB as you enter the dungeon to get 2 Supercharger stacks.
- DO NOT RTB again inside the bubble as you will lose the supercharger stacks, similarly do not
AR early inside the bubble or you will lose the combo points. - After the bubble drops use RTB again (now at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
- Before entering the first pack
BF into 
Stealth. - Open on pack with AR into BtE.
lime lake
there must always be a chef
ryu is gone but his legacy lives on in all of us
except for the genocide stuff
azure vortex
our tank is getting one shotted from oab big hit? what might be the cause
cinder relic
dense forge
Serious question
i know i havent played rogue in a while
but when did Kir become 6mins instead of 7
dense forge
Bro im cooked fr
red zinc
11.0.5
random stirrup
It was the same patch they changed ER to supercharger iirc
cinder relic
Ah
lime lake
cinder relic
Probs
proven ocean
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
8M PURE ST
NEW BUG
multiplies ur dps on ur details
@vivid vessel thoughts??
can u do 8m st??
dont think so??
vapid sundial
I think it'd be hilarious if someone randomly added that to a common weak aura pack
fossil lintel
Does it show for other people? Or local only?
proven ocean
anyone can see it
remote pecan
3% mug'zee wipe 
proven ocean
wait this was with no trinkets equipped fuck
forgot to equip trinkets
💀
ok maybe i lower multiplier abit
blissful idol
wasn't magnet flashing on the pic above?
frank finch
proven ocean
wasn't magnet flashing on the pic above?
nah it gets stuck if its equipped before then unequip
blissful idol
nah it gets stuck if its equipped before then unequip
oh i see
blissful idol
are u doing some outlaw gaming?
blissful idol
blissful idol
did the wrist hurt at the beginning?
blissful idol
neither do mine, i press rotation with my a steering wheel
for the ultimate experience
proven ocean
it did hurt when i was in army then played outalw abit in weekend
but that was few months ago
blissful idol
always hurt for me when i take a long break and touch outlaw
i need different gear sets now for diff wep combo's
blissful idol
any cool deaths with ks yet zeross?
fossil lintel
Can you send the wa to details devs?
proven ocean
idk if blizzard can kill details
fossil lintel
No, blizz is adding their own details
proven ocean
because if they do the game will legit die
vapid sundial
They're adding their own
vapid sundial
That's what I mean by kill
vapid sundial
Details eats resources
proven ocean
not even kidding
fossil lintel
Yeah, but cooldown manager didn't kill WA and the new unit frames didn't kill elvui
vapid sundial
Getting rid of it for blz own would be big
blissful idol
what is the reason even to make their own copies of addons? do they lose money in some way?
vapid sundial
Yeah, but cooldown manager didn't kill WA and the new unit frames didn't kill el...
Bc new unit frames suck
vapid sundial
what is the reason even to make their own copies of addons? do they lose money i...
Adding the game to console eventually
fossil lintel
So will their details
vapid sundial
Probably
craggy barn
shrug
vapid sundial
That's what's being theorized anyway
blissful idol
Adding the game to console eventually
xdd
craggy barn
other than console, its the reducing barrier to combat info
bc otherwise u have to tell people to download addons
vapid sundial
xdd
You expect microsoft to not want to add it to their list of console games?
It'll add a lot of players
fossil lintel
Yeah all the stuff they said they want to remove for add-ons won't kill details
fossil lintel
Only if they do a decent job at it
vapid sundial
Don't think it's hard to do
fossil lintel
Otherwise people will still use details
vapid sundial
Would not surprise me if they basically just copy details
vapid sundial
Isn't that basically borrowed power
Wtf blizzard
You liars
Ignoring the fact we've had it a few times since df
bright crane
I don’t care about the belt, I care about being made to do whack ass delves
uneven swan
is it alot of work to change from outlul to assa?
fossil lintel
Just trick bran into doing them for you
fossil lintel
Depends on how many crafted items you're using
fossil lintel
Then it's going to be a pain
uneven swan
faack
bright crane
Well, what items do u have crafted
uneven swan
kinda sick and tired of us being aoe capped xD
vapid sundial
Have fun grinding m+ to craft 4 more items
uneven swan
and killing spree getting me killed 5 times per run
bright crane
Sounds like a skill issue
fossil lintel
I heard if you get 38% haste your KS issues go away
uneven swan
got both weps, neck and wrists crafted
uneven swan
naa, sword/mace
mighty pivot
bruh why did they have to buff the belt
bright crane
They were always going to
vapid sundial
If the belt wasn't going to be bis
It was going to get buffed
It's delusional to think it wouldn't
They do this everytime
bright crane
Yeah it was an inevitability
fossil lintel
The belt was already bis at max ilvl, but by like 1% no?
vapid sundial
Special items like this will always be bis
fossil lintel
Well, maybe not for outlaw
uneven swan
mehh fuck that, not gonna change xD
agile quiver
@vapid sundial especially when they have like 20 ilvls over the alternatives (assuming the ilvls are accurate...)
vapid sundial
Irrelevant sometimes
bright crane
Yeah - like at circlet
Massive mastery stat stick
Still bis for some classes even though it caps at champion track
uneven swan
would it be worth changing out my crafted mace for capo's knuckles? hero tracked. running a sim now but idk if i should trust it
vapid sundial
Trust in the Sim
agile quiver
for offhand?
vapid sundial
Offhand dps doesn't matter as much as effects
uneven swan
Yea for offhand
vapid sundial
They almost always outweigh via effect
agile quiver
that was some typo
vapid sundial
Sleepy
agile quiver
I think even heroic capo is bis in offhand (doing the weapon swapping with cudgel for trash), but yeah, sim is accurate on it
mighty pivot
i just noticed today that our tier set is fucked up on the waist for all models except male humans and I cannot unsee it now 
agile quiver
in what manner?
fossil lintel
Yeah hero capo is bis in offhand, it beats a 681 offhand by over 1%
uneven swan
doing mythic raid tomorrow (first time raiding this season). Also heard ppl say geargrinder is bis over priory
vapid sundial
Well.
uneven swan
i do have peacemaker
mighty pivot
in what manner?
pants and chest don't line up properly
agile quiver
oh that's nasty
vapid sundial
honest sparrow
pants and chest don't line up properly
thanks i now cannt unsee it...
agile quiver
^look at guides to get a shortlist of options, then sim
mighty pivot
thanks i now cannt unsee it...
it's more broken on some races than others. Enjoy 
agile quiver
so glad I came up with a transmog set I like earlier this year
agile quiver
funnily enough, at least one part of my transmog is vanilla wow, from tailoring
mighty pivot
using the same transmog set for more than a week is a challenge
vapid sundial
It's that or my rapier duelist mog
maiden glen
Hey, new to outlaw and rogue in general, is there any good rotation guides for m+? im trying the hidden opportunity build. And the problem is that im checking my rotation, and wow logs rotation from people and main damage should be coming from Between the eyes, but my is from Dispatch cause no energy/cd or whatever for BTE.
im kinda lost, and would appreciate any hints
vapid sundial
Hey, new to outlaw and rogue in general, is there any good rotation guides for m...
Wowanalayzer is great since it works now.
And #outlaw-faq
agile quiver
oh wait, no, they're TBC but use Classic Tailoring:
https://www.wowhead.com/item=38278/haliscan-pantaloons
black pants 🖤
mighty pivot
why? is there a disc that makes KS not kill you?
novel timber
!wa
ornate heathBOT
Class packs:
- Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
- Zac's Group Devlin
Utilities: - Combo Point Standalone
- Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
- Ace refund sound trigger
- RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
- Unseen Blade tracker
Fun: - Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
- KS Ticking damage taken
true cedar
Massive mastery stat stick
this is what im talking about B)
mighty pivot
imagine if outlaw mastery was better chance to roll 5buff 
uneven swan
I cant get this to be right
frail veldt
What's wrong
true cedar
what if it was
see how house is goated too bro
mastery good man
4/5 outlaws are deficient in mastery
dont let it be youi
mighty pivot
are you the 5th?
true cedar
B)
uneven swan
i'm the 5th yeah
i got a whopping 1778 master atm
but i'm deficient in haste aswell, seeing as i only have 10k
mighty pivot
that's sufficient haste if you're a HO
gusty moon
!wa
ornate heathBOT
Class packs:
- Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
- Zac's Group Devlin
Utilities: - Combo Point Standalone
- Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
- Ace refund sound trigger
- RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
- Unseen Blade tracker
Fun: - Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
- KS Ticking damage taken
uneven swan
I'm running HO aye
seeing as i simmed it as mythic max upgrade, do i want to run knuckles in offhand even tho it says to run in MH?
hero tracked knuckles*
mighty pivot
you run the highest ilvl weapon as MH unless you have more than 1 at the same ilvl
uneven swan
got 2 crafted weps at 675, but ppl is saying knuckles are better in OH so idk
mighty pivot
for OH yes
ripe ibex
got 2 crafted weps at 675, but ppl is saying knuckles are better in OH so idk
recraft those to 681
mighty pivot
single target that is, for dungeon aoe you use the cudgel. Heroic capo OH simmed like +1% dps over a 681 crafted OH for me