!!
#outlaw
fallen knot
then upgrade whatever high stuff you have on alts
so you get discounted on main yes?
red zinc
yeah
vivid vessel
ye
glass mortar
OK
glass mortar
i got gilded
vivid vessel
for 2 pathches
fallen knot
ok then my rogue upgrades legs for shaman gg
glass mortar
double weapon discount goes hard
vivid vessel
btw
glass mortar
!
red zinc
Time to start the coping clock for 11.2
vivid vessel
i have been playing my monk esclusively with the thingy manager
cooldown
and its quite cool
i was too lazy to setup anything
so i just went with it
and it works !
i know im missing stuffs but kinda whatever for noobs
just i dont like how it tracks important buffs with bars
cause the bars are so big
i had to put them to the side
so i dont even see them
fallen knot
fuck do i just get to 675 on dk cause i still have a bunch of gilded?
then farm on shaman
and discount upgrade
red zinc
Like 11.2 is coming out a month after 11.1.7 if season takes 6montjs
but 11.1.5 shouldve had class changes
vivid vessel
fuck do i just get to 675 on dk cause i still have a bunch of gilded?
You still need keys
?
vivid vessel
I'm eating then I'm doing one more till sleep
red zinc
bro
vivid vessel
Ye of course
red zinc
you suck at images
vivid vessel
We told you
red zinc
skill issue
fluid meadow
we will never know what is the tech 😦
glass mortar
u wuld if u downloaded my image
fluid meadow
i don't have more storage space for virus
red zinc
Only doing first 2 bosses on outlaw is kinda blessed
wintry solar
red zinc
Its like 50/50 that i get good item
wintry solar
Zeross rn
vivid vessel
Wait
red zinc
if i dont get good item from vault tomorrow i will do something
red zinc
That ain't small no?
Average
red zinc
Stop
vivid vessel
?
red zinc
if you want me to be token gay guy go to ot i aint doing this here 
mossy rock
just had 1.21m in a 10 (no weapon buffs or flask) vs 1.02m in a 15 last week
probably just rng but one can prayge
gaunt phoenix
the damage coefficient on the item is the same as before
red zinc
Can you just test it on a dummy
mossy rock
Can you just test it on a dummy
not really cause i dont have any dmg breakdowns from last week on dummies
gaunt phoenix
naw
mossy rock
its weapon buffed this time kekw
copper radish
first upgrade 681 wep now time to get more done
red zinc
not really cause i dont have any dmg breakdowns from last week on dummies
Just ask someone on eu
I just turned pc off
fallen knot
can someone explain to me again how do trinkets that split damage among targets work?
red zinc
but im sure theres some goon on here
mossy rock
after this ml ill hit dummies. any eu dummy hitters?
fallen knot
and why my geargrinder crits for 5.5m if it says it does 2.2 split
gaunt phoenix
split procs gain 30% dmg per target, up to 5
mossy rock
its just strange to me that its hitting for more with similar target amounts
glass mortar
wait does this weapon actually have meteor scaling? i assumed it was just flat damage
gaunt phoenix
think its in ur head, the literal spell data of the item is unchanged
so the target counts are different
fluid meadow
isn't that just affix buff?
fallen knot
but like if the car hits for 5.5m one target, does it hit other targets for other istances of damage aswell?
or it capped its damage and it's gg only hit 1?
mossy rock
think its in ur head, the literal spell data of the item is unchanged
probably
gaunt phoenix
it hits all targets
fallen knot
for 5.5m each or for 5.5m total?
gaunt phoenix
if something does 100 damage
at 5 targets it deals 250 / 5 to each
fallen knot
these kind of trinkets break my brain
glass mortar
2.5X the total base damage divided by number of targets
gaunt phoenix
it calculates the total damage, up to 2.5x, then splits it
gaunt phoenix
also tooltips are wrong in this game
fallen knot
and each split can crit?
gaunt phoenix
and each split can crit?
Yes
fallen knot
ok
now it makes sense
then it's lies
it deals 2.2m*2,5/5 at least and whatever the crit multiplier is if all 5 crit
if you hit 5 targets that is
proven ocean
also tooltips are wrong in this game
novel socket
myth stix trinket sims higher than heroic capo and i'm not killing mythic mugzee anytime soon
should i still go for the heroic capo over the mythic stix trinket ?
gaunt phoenix
thats fine
novel socket
long barn
@solo - can you help me understand. Is Mythic 8/8 Copo BIS MH or OH for Raid. Same question for M+. Does the nightshade beat 684 or whatever copo?
gaunt phoenix
if you get 684 capo then it is your main hand
long barn
so hyped !
From the Diner?
glass mortar
ye
vivid vessel
ye imma be eating good
glass mortar
hes too much of a bozo to get it natty
vivid vessel
long barn
Why not today?
vivid vessel
im eu
long barn
Oh.
vivid vessel
hes too much of a bozo to get it natty
opk bro i have everything else
litterlay
calm down
long barn
if you get 684 capo then it is your main hand
And we are saying 684 Copo/ Night OH for M+
long barn
And gally 684 OH with the swap if that’s like available etc.
proven ocean
tomorrow im getting 684 capo !!
tomorrow ur getting 684 cocks in ur ass cuh
gaunt phoenix
Gally cant be swapped
proven ocean
!
vivid vessel
rthat many uh ?
proven ocean
yes yes
long barn
Gally cant be swapped
Why cause if the debuff?
proven ocean
!
long barn
That’s dumb
proven ocean
zac
gaunt phoenix
idk blizz made it this way
glass mortar
because blizz decided it cant
glass mortar
theres no rule for this
glass mortar
they did this to the fyrakk weapons as well
long barn
Can we make a wowhead post and have them fix it lol
glass mortar
no, its just this one weapon so its clearly on purpose
long barn
Could be a bug
glass mortar
and making a wowhead post would just make it more likely cudgel gets "fixed"
glass mortar
way more likely then them making it so u can swap gally
glass mortar
i mean if im being hyper defensive of blizzard here, u could wear gally weapon till 25 stacks then swap to a better weapon
because the stacks last forever
so maybe thats why it cant be swapped
realistically, there is nowhere in the game u would do this tho
so 🤷
long barn
Socket
proven ocean
no its not even vault time cuh
long barn
Oh
proven ocean
well
vivid vessel
im getting priory chest @proven ocean
vivid vessel
no !
proven ocean
zac
long barn
I got socket for and I got all sockets in my mythic / craft gear 😒
proven ocean
guys
glass mortar
I got socket for and I got all sockets in my mythic / craft gear 😒
i took a socket for my bank
glass mortar
i cant use it 
glass mortar
maybe one day in the nebulous future
long barn
Is it worth socketing craft bracer you think or wait for servo
glass mortar
nah cuh im just here for a good time
glass mortar
zac
i upgraded my rogue
6 ilvl so far
weapons fully upgraded
i still dont outsim my monk from last week
gaunt phoenix
No
haughty moat
same
polar kelp
Gold
cloud thunder
I thought it dropped on one arm
im saying i have to wait until i kill mugzee to use dinars
on capo
long barn
Ohhh
proven ocean
@glass mortar @late swallow 💀 💀 using diabolical in a blue post is diabolical 💀 💀
💀 💀 💀 💀
guys
check out this cat when its spammed
looks nice
gaunt phoenix
proven ocean
?!
proven ocean
<:garf:1320173032743899157>
imagine now its telling u nuh uh when ur deleting hte msg
!!
how about that solo
gaunt phoenix
it has no power over me
polar kelp
Minecart dungeon trinket or gear grinder keys? Probably mine cart?
gaunt phoenix
at the same ilvl, geargrinder should be marginally ahead
glass mortar
ugh
is it finally time to ditch my pvp neck
for a big haste neck
how do i even make this transition
i dont pay for raidbots man i cant sim 50000 combinations of crafted stat combos
gaunt phoenix
play ho
glass mortar
its gunna matter for HO 2 i cant just drop 2k haste like its nothing
or gain 3k haste like its nbd
i need to make some SERIOUS life choice alterations around this solo
gaunt phoenix
thats just like a recraft
glass mortar
outlaw gearing is SERIOUS business
i dont have any crafted jewlery
so
its a little bit tougher then that
gaunt phoenix
why not
late swallow
glass mortar
and pvp neck
glass mortar
well the rings can both be upgraded to new hero track so i figured id upgrade the neck since its stuck at 658
but maybe it doesnt matter
but yes i am trying to figure out which piece of jewlery to make and how
without simming 10k combinations
look at him
even has avoidance
🥹
glass mortar
at the new ilvl? so its 4k haste and vers
gaunt phoenix
ya
glass mortar
hmmm
wait is there like a good neck im holding out for or
why wouldnt i do a neck
arent all necks just turbostink this season
gaunt phoenix
no i crafted all jewelry
haughty moat
ohh, how much haste do we get by upgrading all gear 2 steps? someone know ?
gaunt phoenix
depends on item
glass mortar
from just ur gear going up? probably like 1-2% maybe
haughty moat
cool cool
glass mortar
WHY IS GILDED FROM 11S STILL CAPPED BLIZZARD U ABSOLUTE COWARDS
im writing a strongly worded email about this
glass mortar
who is the delve guy
gusty dew
That's the most sexiest wa I've ever heard, thank you
glass mortar
i need to dm him
lyric saffron
!wa
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red zinc
should we send zeross to new jersey?
vivid vessel
WHY IS GILDED FROM 11S STILL CAPPED BLIZZARD U ABSOLUTE COWARDS
waht does this mean
gaunt phoenix
from delves
gaunt phoenix
weran wants 7 gilded from delves forever
gusty dew
agile quiver
is nightfall mace added to sims yet?
fair charm
is nightfall mace added to sims yet?
Yep a week ago
vague parrot
Hello, I'm back to outlaw this season, didnt play it since dragonflight. As I still love the spec, I don't like Killing Spree at all, it feels akward in the rotation. Is it a big loss to not play with it and maybe to take Blade Rush ? (as a filler on single target and dps on multi) I play m+ only.
timber knoll
sadly yes you have to take it for trickster, which is significantly ahead of fatebound in m+.
past sphinx
We are stuck with killing spree forever
random stirrup
Blade rush is terrible, m+ trickster is 20%+ ahead and doesn’t function without killing spree, raid fatebound without ks is okay on fights with minimal cleave
I think the buff required for blade rush to be pressable was something like 3000%
glass mortar
Hello, I'm back to outlaw this season, didnt play it since dragonflight. As I st...
yes a very significant loss
and yea we dont run blade rush in any build
kspree or no
@vivid vessel i did my monks gear
time to see how big he is
next wedge
glass mortar
eyyy herioc capo tho
more like herioc kapo
honestly not as high as i expected
i guess when i upgrade my crafted pieces
vivid vessel
Imma Speedrun sleeping weran
glass mortar
and trinket
vivid vessel
So tomorrow I open big vault
vivid vessel
With priory chest
vivid vessel
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tP1xPrHrG5SEPWzawCpAjN
674?
vivid vessel
684
glass mortar
SHOW ALT
vivid vessel
Day 1
glass mortar
this is my alt bich
i used up almost 6k valorstones so far
still havent had to grind any
timber hemlock
send help
glass mortar
zac my rogue is 679 ilvl
what do u think it sims
its less then 100k behind my monk now at least
i think i finally ahead of coup bug dps
with all this ilvl
frank finch
glass grove
!fuu
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vivid vessel
what do u think it sims
Less than mine
vivid vessel
glass mortar
altho i still need to upgrade 2 crafted pieces and send 1 spark
so i'll be 680 prob
3 pieces of 658 ilvl gear
is not very
good
viral flume
does the gilded discount not count on main? only alt?
cinder relic
well the discount only applies to things you've upgraded before
viral flume
on all characters on the account?
cinder relic
Yes
viral flume
hmm okay. I must be confusing myself.
cinder relic
Like this new +2 tracks doesn't work
Because you haven't had any items upgraded to that tier
cinder relic
Yes
light fossil
is ambush always a priority over pistol shot with HO?
gaunt phoenix
is ambush always a priority over pistol shot with HO?
unless you dont have energy to ambush (in stealth)
you can also PS in stealth if you have 1 CP + 6 stacks of opp + broadside though this is minor
light fossil
yeah i saw that on the advanced tips, too much optimizing for me still.. i have to focus on not pressing the wrong things still
raven condor
Surely there's a wa for pistol shot with the above criteria as triggers, right?
or one could be made
old gull
if we could handpick 2 trinkets for m+ which we picking?
glass mortar
probably like vexies/magnet and a passive or stat trinket
the margins between all this shit is small honestly it hardly matters
could also run double active with magnet i guess since its so flexible
gaunt phoenix
pacemaker/magnet/geargrinder is most common
digital linden
is there a pin or sum about corruptions?
digital linden
how is it looking so far
gaunt phoenix
echoing void
digital linden
are these corruptions even big?
digital linden
echoing void
are there any others worth considering or is this just the default
polar kelp
Is there anyway to sim the cudgel properly yet? For offhand does it still beat a crafted 681 for keys now? (For trash obvi)
gaunt phoenix
yes you can
raven condor
pacemaker/magnet/geargrinder is most common
If you're a cringe m+ casual like myself, it's pacemaker/conductors, right?
gaunt phoenix
but yes it will beat a mythic offhand on trash
polar kelp
but yes it will beat a mythic offhand on trash
Oh even a 684?
gaunt phoenix
to sim trash only you would have to sim a dungeonroute without bosses
gaunt phoenix
Oh even a 684?
ya
polar kelp
Crazy, stupid gimmicky shit. Thanks solo
gaunt phoenix
If you're a cringe m+ casual like myself, it's pacemaker/conductors, right?
i dont know, i didnt sim mythic M+ trinkets vs heroic raid trinkets
raven condor
fair and valid
jade abyss
What's the strongest buffs for us in order?
gaunt phoenix
RP
TB (ho) / BS (kir)
GM
SNC
BT
jade abyss
Oh I meant raid buffs sorry but ty though for reminding those as well
I assume War > Monk > Druid > Shaman > ? hunter maybe idk
latent oak
id guess shaman is above druid
polar kelp
Shaman probably first, then druid (depending on trinkets?) then war monk maybe
Not sure though
latent oak
na druid never gunna be better than war or monk
errant terrace
is there a reason we don't use vventing wristwraps rn? are the tinker slots bad?
polar kelp
Really, windfury +mastery is lower then war/monk?
errant terrace
ah
gaunt phoenix
Really, windfury +mastery is lower then war/monk?
yeah its like 3%
digital linden
i dont remember authority of the depths being better than radiant power
when did that change
gaunt phoenix
its better st
digital linden
and aoe is it not?
gaunt phoenix
correct
digital linden
i remember radiant power simming higher for me in st
did anything change recently?
glass mortar
how close are embels solo?
just because assuming they use the same design as before just greatly nerfed
there might be reasons to consider "worse" ones
infinite stars, the frontal void one, and echoing void i remember being a bit annoying
compared to the heavily normalized gushers
gaunt phoenix
echoing void is normal
crystal socket
is it worth to use cartel on geargrinders instead of a dungeon trinket?
glass mortar
is it? cant it be wasted by stacks being on mobs that die?
or does it automatically pop if that happens
or by stacking up on targets ur not focusing instead of ur main one
gaunt phoenix
its a stack on you
glass mortar
ahh ok thats much better then
gaunt phoenix
is it worth to use cartel on geargrinders instead of a dungeon trinket?
yes if its mythic
crystal socket
dahmn i just saw the pinned post, is myth geargrinder > roic capo's?
gaunt phoenix
dont know have to sim your toon
fresh acorn
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momma mia pizzaria
glass mortar
every week
same shit on cauldron
im on flarendo when he dies and a bomb goes off so we sit afk for 5s and soak
digital linden
is it worth to use cartel on geargrinders instead of a dungeon trinket?
lowkey tho maybe dont spend the dinar on an item that not many use and is on first myth boss
glass mortar
thats a valid point however
unless u play other specs
there is not very much to spend dinar on as outlaw
capo assuming u have access to a mythic one or havent already gotten a herioc one
trinkets that not many people r fighting for
dungeon trinkets are sorta meh
tough trellis
there is not very much to spend dinar on as outlaw
this is incorrect, the best thing to spend dinar on as outlaw is myth daggers and reroll sin
glass mortar
I COVERED THAT CASE
tough trellis
(this is half a joke please dont murder me)
glass mortar
unless u play other specs
.
tough trellis
outlaw is so good if KS didn’t kill you half of the time
glass mortar
if they fixed KS outlaw would be
pretty damn nice rn ngl
the numbers are solid even on bosses its not the "good" spec for
aoe is obviously very strong
its just
kspree is such a liability on prog man
copper radish
liberation of undermine is such a great time. i dont remember the last time a raid felt like this
glass mortar
especially on some of these later bosses
slate plaza
anyone know why plater friendly names shows hp
prisma heron
what's the command for the bot spitting out the different packs available like the luxthos WA edit?
slate plaza
prisma heron
im using luxthos now and it doesn't seem to be good enough
slate plaza
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prisma heron
ty
slate plaza
im using luxthos now and it doesn't seem to be good enough
guys modifies afenar is peak imo
zac is also good
prisma heron
never heard of afenar tbh
torpid fiber
luxthos is good if you're willing to put a bunch of time into customising it
prisma heron
ill try it out
glass mortar
i use a customized afner guy edit with zacs RtB pasted over it
high parrot
ik the pin says that cudgel is bis in keys after testing it the last few weeks does it still feel bis?
idk why but to me its kinda annoying that a 658 wep is bis i grinded a while for my 684 weps
i may be the only one who feels like that tho
gaunt phoenix
its bis on trash, you weapon swap on bosses
jade abyss
any reason why pacemaker (while being a very good trinket) isn't simming the best but is so widely used in m+ regardless?
gaunt phoenix
idk people think it's better than it is
jade abyss
I've been using geargrinder and Styx trinket in m+ just going for highest dslice
gaunt phoenix
& easy passive trinket
high parrot
i thought i saw geargrinder and pacemaker being the combo in mdi right?
jade abyss
you think that's what it is?
because it seems largely ahead in usage
gaunt phoenix
its just crit lol
there is not a secret to it
people like that its passive, or think its better than it is, or dont care (cause trinkets dont matter)
jade abyss
The double on use seems ok to me because we can use Styx trinket kind of whenever we want right? I also like the versatility of it
glass mortar
magnet is very flexible which is nice in keys
also sometimes it works out u can just snipe free uses on low mobs
jade abyss
but it is more st oriented
which is even better? I mean it's simming better in dslice
glass mortar
i dont think its worth trying to force but with no real cd, u can do it more often then i thought
jade abyss
also sometimes it works out u can just snipe free uses on low mobs
wait we can do that with the trinket?
gaunt phoenix
well st is good in keys
glass mortar
if the mob dies from the first 2 projectiles of the trinket (it launches 3 i believe) it will not lose any stacks
so yes
jade abyss
well st is good in keys
I mean if the trinket is simming higher in aoe and it's also better in ST it's clearly a win win
glass mortar
basically anytime a mob is under ~5m hp i send it as long as its at 10+ stacks and u wont lose any
its just free damage
gaunt phoenix
dslice is not just aoe tho
jade abyss
oh interesting
torpid fiber
if the mob dies from the first 2 projectiles of the trinket (it launches 3 i bel...
Close enough welcome back mfd
glass mortar
lol, i wouldnt try to game it to be clear
im just noticing since its literally a 20 second cd... i can usually use it once on a pack AND to execute a mob every pack
for free stack value
trinket is probably BiS on last boss of rookery as well, it lets u save up its use for every vuln very efficiently
its aoe value is not very high compared to meteoring trinkets tho
like vexie
scarlet drum
Anyone know why my Ghostly Strike/Ambush maro isn't working anymore?
gaunt phoenix
what is the macro
scarlet drum
#showtooltip Ghostly Strike
/use Ghostly Strike
/use Ambush
I used it fine till this patch. Even when I don't have the talent for Ghostly Strike.
gaunt phoenix
what does "not working" mean
glass mortar
if u go to a target dummy in stealth and press the macro it wont ambush?
polar kelp
I used it fine till this patch. Even when I don't have the talent for Ghostly St...
Are you trying to use ambush outside of stealth without an ambush proc?
scarlet drum
Umm...
Ignore me. I'm an idiot.
I rebound a key to deal with bombs on ?? Underpin late last night lol
He had it coming.
surreal quest
Havent tried using the buzzer trinket. Does it really feel bad?
glass mortar
its a bit annoying
not unplayable so, but it has no benifit for the annoyance so
man optimizing trinkets for outlaw is HUGE gains
barely even matters
desert tendon
grim spear
So, can we transfer valor stones one by one to avoid the transfer tax?
glass mortar
u might get arrested for tax evasion 😠
latent belfry
has anyone found a scroll of momentum yet this season?
glass mortar
i doubt that works but itd be funny
glass mortar
has anyone found a scroll of momentum yet this season?
its not available above veteran track
glass mortar
So, can we transfer valor stones one by one to avoid the transfer tax?
it costs 1 to transfer 1
so ur getting taxed 100% instead of 25%
would not recommend
grim spear
scarlet drum
This puzzling cartel chip system feels.... bad
gaunt phoenix
Why
grim spear
Because the design purpose of this system is in great conflict with player expectations.
gaunt phoenix
players want mythic loot without doing mythic
grim spear
yep
scarlet drum
It doesn't really benefit the people that can use it, and the people that need it can't access it.
scarlet drum
players want mythic loot without doing mythic
I mean... yeah lol, That's why we fill vaults every week right?
glass mortar
blizzard shouldnt have called it what they did
frail veldt
No
frail veldt
You still have to do content that blizzard feels is difficult enough to reward that loot
glass mortar
they should have outright said we want to try a system of bad luck protection this raid tier using a dinar like currency
they just leaked "dinars" instead
and dangled them for like 2 months with no explanations or examples
scarlet drum
You still have to do content that blizzard feels is difficult enough to reward t...
I'll be fine with this answer when all Mythic+ loot is disabled in raid instances.
frail veldt
I'll be fine with this answer when all Mythic+ loot is disabled in raid instance...
Wdym
glass mortar
and the dinars we've had previously were way more flexible then these, and clearly meant to help gear up in raid
frail veldt
Mythic+ difficulty is appropriate for the loot given
lime lake
i just wish you could upgrade hero track dinar items to myth track when you kill the mythic boss
thats my only gripe with them
frail veldt
If you get m+ loot then you earned it by doi g content of the required difficulty
No reason to disable that in raid
Makes no sense
grim spear
Actually, I feel like the entire loot system nowadays has a strange vibe.
grim spear
Traditionally, the loop of defeating powerful enemies, getting better gear, and then taking on even stronger foes was very satisfying.
frail veldt
It has only ever been worse in the past
grim spear
But the current system (mainly Mythic+) feels more like: "You have to perfect your gear first—only then does the real challenge begin."
scarlet drum
It's an okay system, it just feels worse after having the previous dinar system. I understand their design intent.
grim spear
But it's just about getting familiar with the environment; it has no impact on the final result.
lime lake
even if you feel that way, thats caused by the design of m+ not by the current gearing system
grim spear
M+ now feels like two separate systems: farming gear and vaults is one, while pushing high keys is another, with a raid sitting awkwardly in between.
lime lake
like under what gearing system was it any different than now
silent marsh
Is eu reset and live ?
grim spear
even if you feel that way, thats caused by the design of m+ not by the current g...
agreed
glass mortar
raid still follows that system fwiw, its just mythic+ that breaks that, and thats because any system with infinite scaling will break that
if u take a system with infinite difficulty scaling and add a title for certain ranks based on top % of playerbase, its always going to only be a real race once people are fully geared
for obvious reasons
tight kernel
is KIR better for oab
cinder relic
Probs not
frail veldt
It's an okay system, it just *feels* worse after having the previous dinar syste...
Yeah I think the problem here is what was mentioned before which is that people assumed we were getting the same dinar handout system as before
when that clearly wasnt blizzards intention but they def didnt make that very clear
pseudo vale
are 2 684 Rings better than Circlet yet? lol
frail veldt
heroic is better than circlet...
literally champ track roulette ring is better haha
well better in dslice and about even in ST
main shadow
covert kestrel
feels bad having 658 in OH
Ilvl is just a number
vagrant kernel
Ilvl is just a number
lul
kindred apex
for the eu ppl even tho vault is not opened you can upgrade /craft 8/8 now
hollow temple
cudgel still BiS OH for m+ after the IL boosts?
Iirc it is but it’s small - not 100% sure
grim spear
so to use this thing is to smack every mob's head with it each pull, and then swap back to a regular off-hand?
hollow temple
so to use this thing is to smack every mob's head with it each pull, and then ...
You just keep it in offhand for all trash
Swap to regular offhand before bosses, swap back to cudgel after boss die
grim spear
Do I need to intentionally swap targets for it?
gaunt phoenix
so to use this thing is to smack every mob's head with it each pull, and then ...
its not just once, it happens with every vanish
which is why it is good for outlaw specifically
grim spear
oh ic
hollow temple
You don’t have to swap targets
gaunt phoenix
no you dont swap targets, blade flurry triggers it instantly on everything
hollow temple
Just move around
gaunt phoenix
that you hit that is
grim spear
cool
hollow temple
If there’s more than 8 targets you can move around after every vanish so it hits more mobs right
gaunt phoenix
yeah you move around so blade flurry touches every mob
vale plume
can we still swap weapons in m+?
gaunt phoenix
ya
vale plume
are there restrictions on which weapon you can swap? was just in one and wouldnt let me swap for gally thumb
gaunt phoenix
yeah you cant swap gally weapon
vale plume
ty
gaunt phoenix
thats the only outlaw weapon you cant swap
vagrant kernel
ok i just didnt know if the cudgel would still be better than an OH with higher IL, now that the IL has increased - and apprently we can only sim cudgel properly in dungslice or dungroute, which i hear is not optimal
gaunt phoenix
it is better, on packs, not bosses
gaunt phoenix
you can sim a dungeonroute without the bosses to see
should favor the cudgel by 1.5% or so
glass mortar
i think
breaking the rules to optimize earlier vanishes on big pulls with non elite mobs
is definitly a dps gain with this mace
but also kinda lowkey trolling
this thing can be like 5-8% of ur overall on a massive pull with a bunch of smallies if u get 2-3 vanishes off on them
ive been sending 1-2 CP kspree just so i can vanish earlier in those situations
talking biiiig uncapped pulls with a bunch of piss mobs of course
icy cedar
man what is going on, i thought 1 lvl is supposed to be like 1% but I'm doing so much more damage than last week
but i also rebound bte from my mmo mouse button 6 back to my keyboard
so that could be it
glass mortar
1 ilvl is almost always slightly more then 1% at least but it also depends where the ilvl is
alot of ur power is probably frontloaded because i imagine u upgraded ur weapons and high stat pieces first
but yeaaaa
doing 11s with some friends and this felt like doing heroics
hidden bay
man what is going on, i thought 1 lvl is supposed to be like 1% but I'm doing so...
imagine how good scaling classes feel rn
craggy barn
god i need so many crests
tight kernel
do you guys think pacemaker is troll for oab
craggy barn
270 for 3 crafts, and however many for upgrades
gaunt phoenix
when you ask god for crests
rotund zodiac
!up
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hasty warren
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1cXmVyr4QEEDk5AgpvaEoN
Should I take the weapon now or it's better to wait a little ?
even on AOE it's better sim
frail veldt
is remnant sim bait or is it actually that good
ive been using it cuz its what I have but kinda surprised its not much of an upgrade to swap to the other "bis" trinkets
cobalt mist
i dont see how it'd be simbait
hollow temple
is remnant sim bait or is it actually that good
“Sim bait”
I am surprised and appalled with you meowth
frail veldt
lol why
trinkets can be sim bait
I think this one might be tbh just cuz the random ramping mainstat can troll big pulls
also kinda bummed they didnt put all the loot on the dinar vendor
unless im missing something
its just like trinkets and specific weps?
errant field
!fuu
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hasty warren
Is jastor not on the vendor?
it is
hidden bay
yo is there a way to sim upgrades easily?
like can i click 1 button and it sims how much i gain by upgrading each piece
hasty warren
yo is there a way to sim upgrades easily?
raidbot
I think u want to use top gear and upgrade items to sim them
if I correctly understand what u're asking for
hidden bay
nvm i found the button
midnight granite
wintry solar
I miss fatebound
wintry solar
I felt entirely neutral to it since it was so passive
nova basin
I’m going to be so happy when I can take a point out of that move or they work it to be a real spell.
wintry solar
4 grapples is cool tho
nova basin
1hr tricks is fun though
wintry solar
yeah
nova basin
Funny when a tank get popped and releases instantly though, can watch a massive train back to the tank at the start of the dungeon. Whoops
nova basin
Funnier in raid, one of our tanks is lootmaster so when we go off clearing trash he keeps getting in combat bc of me so can’t use RCloot 😂
But yea, fix KS
Have we had any sign from blizz that KS is going to be reviewed at some point? Or are we just hopeful.
pure folio
anything i could do better with my stats besides lowering my haste by 1%? for KIR 1 FTH M+
Not sure if there's a certain amount of Crit/Mastery we would like to get to
hasty warren
32% vers omg
somber plank
I'm wondering if this weapon is still good to use in Mythic+?
hasty warren
I think haste is a little too high
somber plank
pure folio
Yes it is
vernal bone
pure folio
Use the weapon swap macro
somber plank
better than 684 m weapon?
hasty warren
better than 684 m weapon?
look the pin
hasty warren
anything i could do better with my stats besides lowering my haste by 1%? for KI...
what is ur amount of vers to have this much ?
pure folio
22,557 - 22,740
somber plank
"Could anyone tell me where I can find information about this weapon? I don't understand English well, so I'm using a translator to ask this question."
hasty warren
I have 18k lol
hasty warren
"Could anyone tell me where I can find information about this weapon? I don't un...
basicly this weapon is used for AOE pulls with many targets, it does AOE shadow damage when u hit an ennemie for the first time and it reset with vanish
hasty warren
what language do you speak btw ?
somber plank
thank you I use translate all. massage
tender wedge
you don't have to do that mate, a simple thank you is enough ❤️
somber plank
basicly this weapon is used for AOE pulls with many targets, it does AOE shadow ...
OK. I understand thank you aoe is many npc
somber plank
https://discord.com/channels/124169701881282560/316923682607857685/1368290842233...
thank you I read link very thank you
somber plank
thank you
hasty warren
19%
young prism
Alright in this case i can change flask to haste
pure folio
For kir do we aim %19 haste ? With flask maybe?
anywhere from 18-20
preference imo/what ur sim says
i like being higher on haste, and i run a vers flask
peak holly
Use the weapon swap macro
How do this work?
pure folio
#showtooltip 17
/equipslot 17 Nightfall Curseblade's Cudgel
/equipslot 17 <ur other weapon name>
basically want to use curseblade in aoe, but when u get to the boss u just swap
it takes a GCD in combat though
u can also weapon swap in KS
peak holly
it swap the position of your weapon from main to off?
peak holly
Oh i see
pure folio
then 2 different off hands that youll use the macro for
peak holly
thats huge
pure folio
u just hold one in ur bag
peak holly
ty
hasty warren
u can also weapon swap in KS
realy ?
pure folio
mhm
hasty warren
forbiden technologies
swift sun
Hey, do you think i should take Galliwyx HM weapon to the vendor ? If i stopped mm+, and only do MM raiding ?
Idk if it does some damages never had the weapon
hasty warren
Hey, do you think i should take Galliwyx HM weapon to the vendor ? If i stopped ...
sim it
if u have alreay a good of weapon it can be a downgrade
tender breach
we get the customised waist this week? or later?
hasty warren
will we be able to upgrade circe ilvl ? or it's stuck at 658 and we'll remove it for myth ring ?
hasty warren
we get the customised waist this week? or later?
later
I think it's in 2/3 week
not sure
vivid vessel
I have removed circe
tender breach
thnxz
hasty warren
I have removed circe
idk it sim ok for me so I kept it
red zinc
Hey, do you think i should take Galliwyx HM weapon to the vendor ? If i stopped ...
no
I don’t know your weapon situation but theres no way heroic gallywix weapon is better than 684 weapon or capo
swift sun
okay, though that it would be better in the off hand
red zinc
It would be best in oh at 684 if you already had a capo 684 aswell
but I assume you dont
hasty warren
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/u2Air8UnwZ68iCx54BFAgG k I can get rid of circe let go
viscid forge
!fuu
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rapid spoke
ew You took mastery
red zinc
Bone band is one of the better rings for m+
runic bough
sorry I didnt do a triple outlaw today
hasty warren
hi guys do you miss me?
u fall to the sin
runic bough
Im learning sin now ye
umbral vapor
when using raidbot, which sim should i use for raid and m+ ? patchwork and dung slice ?
red zinc
Ye
vivid vessel
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/u2Air8UnwZ68iCx54BFAgG k I can get rid of...
its been better since you had 658 rings
red zinc
684 bike so swag
hasty warren
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3HetcNKkSW8ctdxvFecbpk
i'm trollign since all this time ? kek
daring oxide
@vivid vessel what should i take
daring oxide
i have the priory myth chest already
red zinc
Rookery one i think
daring oxide
i havent even killed muggy
craggy barn
i just crafted a chest
daring oxide
and got capo myth in vault lol
craggy barn
cuz fuck it
red zinc
Ye ok
daring oxide
i was on holiday
red zinc
take it then
daring oxide
during mug prog
red zinc
Since you probably cant dinar it
hidden bay
when is 2nd dinar?
nova basin
sad times, when you sim all the dinar vendor and nothing comes up as an upgrade.
proven ocean
normal forge
how do we get myth track capo weapon from dinnars? gotta kill mugzee mythic?
fathom bramble
yes
daring oxide
ye
hidden bay
!fuu
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normal forge
and to get myth track from m+ dg run 12 on time?
fathom bramble
all 12s on time
fathom bramble
yes
vivid vessel
sims better than crafted for you ?
vivid vessel
Im annoyed cause I have too much haste now with both ring and neck crafted
vivid vessel
I just sent 30 on the dumpsterdelver for no reason
Nice
fathom bramble
I'll craft one later maybe
or just check if it's better rn
really want a good roulette ring
and garbage cloak from M+
vivid vessel
really want a good roulette ring
ye
vivid vessel
and garbage cloak from M+
true
maybe that would help me aswell
i have too many haste vers pieces now
i need to drop haste somewhere
but i dont want crit !
fathom bramble
I'm at 19.72% which isn't too bad
also we are hitting that first vers DR so maybe a bit of crit isn't that bad of a thing to get
vivid vessel
i got these
fro vault right
btu i cant equip them cause too much haste
since i need to put tier hands back in
idk
idk how much haste that put me at
fathom bramble
sims better than crafted for you ?
crafted ring is +10k(1.7%)
vivid vessel
big actually
fathom bramble
dumpster ring changing the high vers into ilvl and crit
grim spear
Damn, I already took a day off tomorrow to grind some new gilded all day
but now my boss just told us it’s her birthday and invited us to her place for dinner.
blissful idol
but now my boss just told us it’s her birthday and invited us to her place for d...
say u are sick and wont make it
vivid vessel
why can't our stats just be normal
yeeee..
fathom bramble
too big ?
I just can't read
clicked the wrong profile for comparison and scrolled back to the top 👌
I should have noticed that 10k(the first number I saw) does not line up with 1.7%
at all
fathom bramble
it is 0.4%
vivid vessel
1.7% seemed enormous for a ring
fathom bramble
if I move things around as well as make a ring it can be .5%
vivid vessel
huge !
fathom bramble
2 crit/vers rings and change my chest to haste/vers
actually need a roulette wheel so bad
fathom bramble
also can't get into any keys on my alt still
red zinc
Man is simming the outcome of his life
hasty warren
man is hacking nasa
vivid vessel
I wanna use the haste vers from vault that I got
But I can't rn
Cause it's putting me 2% above haste treshold
So I need to recraft my whole gear
And invent stuffs idk
fathom bramble
bouncing against the vers dr at 30% is definitely going to throw off a lot of gearing in an annoying way
long barn
What’s fastest way to get valorstones
red zinc
Trade from alts
fathom bramble
do world quests on 2 accoutns at once
long barn
Ok
fathom bramble
and transfer to main
vivid vessel
It gives 30 per and it's instant
red zinc
Multibox seventeen alts
fathom bramble
you ever think about how vantus runes are worth less for us than any other person in the raid?
vivid vessel
red zinc
you ever think about how your demise is coming closer and closer
vivid vessel
i think about these things all the time
the thing i think about most is how we get mega fucked in m+ cause raid buffs
fathom bramble
I wish M+ just didn't have raid buffs somehow
vivid vessel
yeeee\
red zinc
I wish M+ just didn't have raid buffs somehow
(Scrolls that only work in m+)
fathom bramble
change all raid buffs to be dramatically weaker and read "Effect is increased by x% in raid or player versus player combat"
vivid vessel
or just give us scrolls idk
i dont like raid buffs because it create a tuning difference between raid and m+
red zinc
The scroll solution is best
red zinc
Makes inscription do anything
vivid vessel
Like if you disable raid buffs in m+ then some specs have tuning issue