outlaw

[glass mortar]

too quickly

FUK

[vivid vessel]

nono

it works

[jolly geyser]

[gaunt phoenix]

wtf

[glass mortar]

true this whole server has that energy tbh

it all started with the original

https://tenor.com/view/bad-callouts-rogue-gif-26757787

[late swallow]

god I love hannahowo

[glass mortar]

i do not know who this person is

good energy tho

[late swallow]

she's an actress

[glass mortar]

shame the only supremacy outlaw rogue ever experiences is yapping supremacy

[vivid vessel]

You don't ?

Actual skill issue no cap

[glass mortar]

nah

[vivid vessel]

Missing out on the goat

[glass mortar]

i dont pay attention to actors

celebrity culture in general is a miss for me idk why

[teal wing]

2d>3d

[glass mortar]

like zeross talking earlier about using the same actor and such

idd with him i think its kinda cringe that these movies all just recycle the same main actors but i understand why they do it

theres just never gunna be a movie im going to watch because it has X person in it so its boring to me

[stray ginkgo]

Here try again

I'm a femboy

[glass mortar]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/357465816964530177/1197167910058201160/speechmemified_image.webp_1.gif

seems more appropriate

[jolly geyser]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/929807268994744340/1098445410160357436/real.gif

[stray ginkgo]

Unfort I haven't played aug since s2 and I was good at it

[teal wing]

Why are u not on the femboy Academy discord

[torpid fiber]

maybe they don't need to learn

[teal wing]

Is he the true one below heaven

[stray ginkgo]

Inv?

[vivid vessel]

Actors

[glass mortar]

oh that kinda actor

well thats also gunna be a miss for me

[teal wing]

https://discord.gg/femboyacademy

[vivid vessel]

Nah but fr she just like

[stray ginkgo]

Wait why are Zac and solo verified mods in the femboi academy discord

[glass mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/nocco-shrek-baby-shrek-niklas-gif-20334723

[vivid vessel]

She does only fan but she is just a personality on the internet I think

Nothing much

[glass mortar]

i c

[vivid vessel]

She has been memed for the uwu things a lot

She is a streamer also I think

[silver mica]

[vivid vessel]

Idk

[teal wing]

Idk

[vivid vessel]

Wanna join ?

The femboy academy

[stray ginkgo]

Wym he's server owner

[silver mica]

I like the men I sleep with to be masculine

sorry

[vivid vessel]

i see

[teal wing]

Ew

[silver mica]

https://tenor.com/view/buh-bee-bruh-gif-4580763730124008555

[jolly geyser]

[glass mortar]

[teal wing]

I’m in Tokyo rn and there is femboy maidcafe in akihabara

New type otoko no musume if anyone is interested

[glass mortar]

they r living in the future

[stray ginkgo]

Wym nothing manlier than a bearded femboi

[silver mica]

that's a personal question

[glass mortar]

hooters going out of business because they couldnt keep up with the times

smh

[stray ginkgo]

Femboi hooters is the future

[teal wing]

Hell yeah

[stray ginkgo]

https://tenor.com/view/femboy-janitors-sweeping-hooters-bathroom-gif-17512541

[gaunt phoenix]

Bruh

[silver mica]

@timber igloo

[vivid vessel]

banger actually

[glass mortar]

this just reminds me of the clip of pikaboo streaming classic wow with taylor fritz and talking about how hooters hadnt adapted to the femboy craze

what a world we live in

[vivid vessel]

who is taylor fritz

[glass mortar]

(taylor fritz being a top 20 world US tennis player)

[vivid vessel]

i only know about swift

ah ok

[glass mortar]

the second highest ranked NA tennis player

hmm maybe first

i havent checked the rankings in awhile

[vivid vessel]

ok but taylor swift is like the hgihest ranked pop star female singer so

owned kinda?

skill issue

[glass mortar]

the taylors owning

[vivid vessel]

imagine you aint even the best taylor

tbf

[glass mortar]

what level is tswifts hardcore account?

tfritz hit max

sounds like a swift L to me

[vivid vessel]

wtf insane

[severe charm]

zac you streaming today at all?

[vivid vessel]

ye raid

reclear

all bosses

as outlaw

[severe charm]

good, i can't figure out what i'm doing wrong thats making my damage so low

[stray ginkgo]

I dunno but dr Phil is max level

[severe charm]

i have a shit oh dagger but i refuse to accept thats whats causing dmg to be so low

[glass mortar]

[glass mortar]

i want off defts wacky rollercoaster ride

[gaunt phoenix]

I updated it cause I'm bad and cant be trusted

Basically only the CP rule matters and the priority doesnt change much

[glass mortar]

so deft in sims is now properly reducing initial BF damage i assume?

did u ever figure out how much by

[gaunt phoenix]

No, i'm not sure how real this is or how much it matters. Deft sims matches logs pretty well

[vivid vessel]

wtf is wowop.io stats

[silver mica]

[vivid vessel]

Nice

Does it work

I'm noob

[crude flower]

We know

[desert tendon]

u noob

[glass mortar]

guys i keep submitting my profile to that website and it says "invalid spec ID" does anyone know this issue?

im just trying to play outlaw in high keys

[desert tendon]

[blissful zinc]

Maybe play a real spec next time

[glass mortar]

so true

[hollow portal]

Today is Friday, will there be class changes?

tomorrow

[severe charm]

@vivid vessel the problem with wowop.io is people have manually upload to it, o something like that. idk like 80% of people i mouse over with it jus says wowop.io and no stats

[stray ginkgo]

I use it for deciding who to invite. You get on rhe tool tip a parse rating for damage taken, interrupts, and damage based on their logged and uploaded keys

[gaunt phoenix]

@hidden bay @daring oxide @frail veldt Deft pin is updated a bit, it's more simple now

this is what happens when I rush things

[proven ocean]

had a friend copy ur msg in chatgbt just to understand what it meant

not even kidding

[stray ginkgo]

Its not perfect but it is an indicator

[proven ocean]

and he still didnt understand it

[gaunt phoenix]

what

[proven ocean]

solo needs few english lessons no cap no cap

[hidden bay]

@gaunt phoenix i love that you pinged me for that. Thanks

[gaunt phoenix]

i think your friend does

[proven ocean]

true

[vivid vessel]

did you tho

it still says the same thing

as in

its a loss for kir 2 fth

didnt you just say earlier ti wasnt and you caped

mega cappo

[hidden bay]

Ok nice i can simplify my weakaura

[proven ocean]

mega cappo

[hidden bay]

Spent entire evening yesterday making it work at 5 targets

Pog

[gaunt phoenix]

i did cause it was really 1fth

cause i snatched your profile and thought it was 2

[vivid vessel]

waht

you meant to say that

oh ok

i tought you meant to say it was a loss with 1 fth

[proven ocean]

zac shocked moment

[vivid vessel]

i was about to crash out

[proven ocean]

going to the museum

no cap

pure art

[gaunt phoenix]

naw lol

[proven ocean]

naw lol

[gaunt phoenix]

Deft can barely lose with 2 fth but it's fake is the point

[vivid vessel]

ok

[hidden bay]

From gameplay side only using at 1 with br

Felt impossible

Muscle memory so hard to slam bf

[gaunt phoenix]

The broadside thing wasn't real either

[hidden bay]

Thats good

[gaunt phoenix]

i misled you for a day

[hidden bay]

I only did a key and some time on dummies so

[desert tendon]

@vivid vessel @proven ocean

i need

[vivid vessel]

Duck solo

[hidden bay]

No harm done

[desert tendon]

enlightment

[vivid vessel]

Remove solo green

[vivid vessel]

They figured it out nice

[hidden bay]

Remember when that

Used to be

Yellow

Now red

Go triple yellow tott!!!

[vivid vessel]

i actually think its funny we dont see that much class stacking on live

or barely at all

[proven ocean]

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

[vivid vessel]

even when we have specs that are so ahead of others

[desert tendon]

i mean

class stacking

currently

is bad as hell

watcha wanna stack

[hidden bay]

Dk seems kinda sus to stack tho

[vivid vessel]

i think the last time that really happned was warlock in s3 sl

[hidden bay]

You have like 1 aoe stop per

[vivid vessel]

when you had the aoe warlock and the st warlock

remember censi

[glass mortar]

what r u stopping

[vivid vessel]

ye cause rogue bring more

[glass mortar]

ur entire party has perma ams or

[vivid vessel]

[desert tendon]

yea

[hidden bay]

Casts'n'shit

[desert tendon]

i was playing censibo

back then

[glass mortar]

ok but

[hidden bay]

True tho

Rogue aint got shit

But

Veng was way op then

With ccs

So idk

This season does have less stops

[gaunt phoenix]

i will make kir without deft sound more fake, just want people be aware of how it can sim

[glass mortar]

veng dh is pretty wild

how did they end up with just about every cc effect in the game in somr form

[hidden bay]

Their cc is on like the 7th consequetive nerf

[stray ginkgo]

This is the sort of thing I see in game. Its all I use it for

[vivid vessel]

i see

[slate forge]

How bad is blade rush? unpickable even in cinderbrew over precise cuts in HO?

[vivid vessel]

its a dps loss to press

its not more damage cuh

[slate forge]

Can’t have one good uncapped button sad

[gaunt phoenix]

I mean that one pull it is better than pc

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel

playing with censi

come join us

[vivid vessel]

is it

i thgink its legit a dps loss to press

[gaunt phoenix]

at like 16 targets?

[proven ocean]

@desert tendon invite zac

[gaunt phoenix]

idk

[vivid vessel]

Yes lol

Any simmer

[hidden bay]

Zac

[gaunt phoenix]

anyway if you swap br for that one pull you might as well go sin

[glass mortar]

our buttons have certainly gotten more valuable since we stopped playing it

[hidden bay]

Show coat mog

[glass mortar]

and it was questionable even back then

it has zero interactions to the spec and its not a builder or energy spender so basically none of our flat damage mods from hero talents will buff it

[vivid vessel]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[proven ocean]

hi my name is zac

[proven ocean]

here's my mog

[desert tendon]

🐮

[hidden bay]

Why is this

Bro its not black its void color

[dense bolt]

when stream

[proven ocean]

tomorrow

today might go to barber and stuff so wont play too much

[vivid vessel]

neutral at 10

tbf

i think the sim is never pressing it

[gaunt phoenix]

i can fuck with it for funsies

[vivid vessel]

cause

its just energy now

[gaunt phoenix]

xd

maybe we are sandbagging 10 target sims

[vivid vessel]

eh

i dont think so

let me check

[hidden bay]

I do wonder why they buff ks

But br has been left shit

The only uncapped button

[vivid vessel]

i mean br isnt really an interesting button tbf

at least ks has some soul to it

@gaunt phoenix out of stelath 10target

[gaunt phoenix]

nice

[vivid vessel]

20

ye..

[hidden bay]

Ks has soul of an abusive father who spent his entire life telling you your not good enough before drinking himself to death

[stray ginkgo]

Me if i was your father

[slate forge]

Gave Br a dash similar to the bee trinket that you can cancel with KS

[vivid vessel]

here

if you ever pull 30 mobs

its a dps gain

[stray ginkgo]

[hidden bay]

How about no

No cap tho

Make vial

Purge ks dot

[stray ginkgo]

Mr tank I know I'm capped but I need 30 mobs with boss

[hidden bay]

[stray ginkgo]

[desert tendon]

dw guys

we play with zac

[vivid vessel]

[hidden bay]

Out of all possible alts you go mage

[desert tendon]

real zac btw

no cap

[vivid vessel]

No cap

[hidden bay]

🧢

[stray ginkgo]

Zacumbustussy is his mage

[desert tendon]

he plays arcane also

we re double assa + arcane

the prio target will disappear, but then we ll have to deal with the rest of the pack for 3mn

[hollow portal]

Balanced

[dawn talon]

dude

this is the perfect comp

to play frost in

[desert tendon]

yea

[dawn talon]

and pad out of your mind

[desert tendon]

ikr

[dawn talon]

frost lowkey fun this tier

and is also competitive with fire and arcane

[desert tendon]

frost always fun

spam shiny buttons

in any order

[keen belfry]

Tell me this isn’t true zacmage

[hidden bay]

This isn't true zacmage

[keen belfry]

You can say that again!

[hidden bay]

That again!

[vivid vessel]

My mage name will be zacrebleu

I have wanted to use this name on a blue class for a long time now

The shaman arc was very short

So it's gonna be a mage

[gaunt phoenix]

what's wrong with sham

[glass mortar]

sham is a SHAM

[vivid vessel]

Too many shaman players nowadays

And I don't like shaman even

I need a raid alt

Probably gonna be mage unless my raid leader tells me no

[gaunt phoenix]

mage is hard asf so you'll like it

[vivid vessel]

Ye

I just

I don't think I will play it much

So probably will just suck at It I guess

[gaunt phoenix]

just memorize apl

[vivid vessel]

But idk maybe I could be a 2 trick

Fire mage and outlaw only

[hidden mauve]

Is the bug where you cast BtE out of vanish too fast and subterfuge doesn’t activate still a thing?

[gaunt phoenix]

i dont think so

[vivid vessel]

Ye it's gone

And it was subterfuge

Not vanihs

Well stealth I mean

Not vanihs

I completely forgot that bug lol

So cursed actually

Ok

I realize I have been too mean to blizzardo devs lately

I forgot they fixed the stealth bugs this tier

I apologize realz

Now fix ks

Thoughts?

[cinder haven]

Good talk

[hidden mauve]

I swear there are times where I hit vanish and use BtE too fast that I don’t get a subterfuge window.

[vivid vessel]

Trinket bound to bte

Skill issue

• L

• you get no bitches for that

• • 5000 social credits points

[hidden mauve]

Would that be the case even if it’s used after between the eyes in the macro?

[vivid vessel]

Yee

[hidden mauve]

Also I love that you know that’s what I did lol

[vivid vessel]

• you get deported to el Salvador prison no coming back

[hidden mauve]

Bound to happen sooner or later

[desert tendon]

-10 000 aura

ngl

[hidden bay]

Make a noncringe blue class

Enha

Not mage

[vivid vessel]

Mage is litteraly rogue but caster

Wdym

It's a clasw only one tricks play

Like rogue

[hidden bay]

Except its not in every way

[hidden mauve]

Mage has a goated tier appearance this tier too

[hidden bay]

Mage op every tier fav blizz class every tier

Weird hard to use defensives and util

[vivid vessel]

I know every outlaw bugs

List every outlaw bug challenge

No one can beat me

I can even list bugs from shadwoland

Unbeatable demon king

[hidden mauve]

Can I still macro GS to BtE?

[vivid vessel]

Ye sure

[novel timber]

can rogues blink/grapple mug cages?

[vivid vessel]

Would macro it to all your buttons instead tho

[vivid vessel]

Grapple

Before it lands

No step

[novel timber]

[grim spear]

too hard

just ve

[vivid vessel]

Eh not really

You just grapple right before the end of timer and you should be good

If it's too hard play slow grapple and it will be easier

[grim spear]

so how big is that time window?

[dawn talon]

i have had success once with sprinting at the wall of the gaol and grappling out through the corner

after it's down

but like i cannot for the life of me replicate it

[vivid vessel]

After it's down?

Are you sure you just didn't do it while it was landing

[dawn talon]

yeah

[vivid vessel]

I mean, basically you just need the grapple to land after the timer end

Idk

[dawn talon]

you can target outside if you have los but your character can't clip through the corner

[vivid vessel]

It shouldn't be that hard

If you have done the grapple in arakara last boss

It's kinda similar

0.2s window type shit idk

Just have a weak aura that show the cast in front of your guy

[cinder relic]

There's also no reason to play outlaw on that fight

Just play sin it's op

[glass mortar]

what if u prefer not being afk for ~15% of the fight

[cinder relic]

"hmm I could play one of the best specs in the game on the fight"

[gaunt phoenix]

outlaw has to be the best everywhere

[dawn talon]

i genuinely can't play sin in st

[glass mortar]

i mean its fair to say dont play outlaw

[dawn talon]

i don't know why

[glass mortar]

i certainly wouldnt pick sin tho

that spec is like watching paint dry st

[dawn talon]

i just get bored and do stupid shit

bc i can't focus

[glass mortar]

maybe I should offer my monk or evoker for mugzee prog

hmm

[vivid vessel]

?

Why blud doing sin propaganda now

[novel timber]

get him zac

[rigid basin]

I literally have never seen you even spec'd into sin, like at all. I think you're allergic at this point

[dawn talon]

i played sin for ovinax

and actually fell asleep during break

[rigid basin]

Oh shit I forgot

[rigid basin]

Then you swapped back to Otlw anyways kekw

[cinder relic]

Sin is literally one of the strongest specs in the game for the hardest encounter in the raid

[vivid vessel]

Ok and

[rigid basin]

We like gun here

Pew pew

[vivid vessel]

Why blud shitting on me when I say sub is way better on oab

And suddenly yapping about sin

[cinder relic]

When have I shit on you for saying sub is good on oab

[vivid vessel]

Light shit

It's like a cute turd

[cinder relic]

I've said sub does a job but if you don't need that job done, all 3 specs are whatever

This is what I mean when I call you a victim

[vivid vessel]

Wtf bro calling me a victim now

Ain't no way

[latent oak]

pasted the ryu copypasta too many times

its spreading

[desert tendon]

@proven ocean what did i witnessed?

[timber igloo]

https://tenor.com/view/edge-kurt-angle-you-suck-smack-down-wwe-gif-17660753

Oxi aren't you retired from wow? what are you doing here

[gaunt phoenix]

being cute

[desert tendon]

oxi is addicted

[daring oxide]

Do I need max ilvl daggers in main hand? Or is 665 still good?

Dunno how important weapon damage is

[gaunt phoenix]

same as law

[daring oxide]

I dunno if I can betray outlaw either

It’s a shame blade flurry can’t hit gaol mobs over the wall 🥲

[cinder relic]

Shouldnt u have a spark or two lying around?

even if either version of flurry could hit gaols it wouldnt matter

Sin is an insane execute spec, and mugzee is an execute boss

[proven ocean]

bro

this tank

is cursed out the wazoo

holy fuck

[vivid vessel]

Want me to bring out zacowo?

[proven ocean]

bro

this tnak

his route's name is ltierally called season 2

@desert tendon

@vivid vessel

censi

he wasnt even skipping bubbles

in his route

seeing you defending his pull 14 kill

like

[exotic gale]

thats like a +10 route

[proven ocean]

this isnt even a route just disable mdt at this point

lmao

well who am i to blame he's pushing 13-14 keys anyway

him writing he has 99 logs on mythic was weird he prob meant mythic dungeons or someshit

[hasty warren]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB as you enter dungeon to get Supercharger.
• ADR before key insert for the Loaded Dice buff and cp.
• DO NOT rtb again inside the bubble as you will lose the supercharger stacks, simillarly do not adr inside the bubble or you will lose the cps
• After the bubble drops RTB again (now at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF then Stealth
• Open on pack with ADR (in range with target, this will pull) into BtE.

[proven ocean]

its !precum

oh it worked nvm

[hasty warren]

xd

ty zeross

[proven ocean]

np

!cumsoup

@vivid vessel u guys deleted cumsoup command?

[vivid vessel]

Apparently

[dawn talon]

wtf

this route is so ass

[hidden bay]

You think they gonna drop ks rework with may or june .5 content releases?

Its gotta be may right

[blissful zinc]

💀

[hidden bay]

The hype of doing visions with reworked ks

[daring oxide]

Next week will have a spark, been sending mine on upgrades (like off piece chest bis, rings, neck, belt etc)

[blissful zinc]

Blizzard prob still doesnt know KS is an issue

[daring oxide]

Will probably craft a dagger next just in case but have been opening vaults as sub to try and get daggers too

[gaunt phoenix]

They do

[daring oxide]

Huh can you explain why you said this

Did I miss something

[cinder oxide]

Been ripping this one lately and it's so fun

[hidden bay]

Ppl keep telling me positive thoughts materialise and that im too negative

[daring oxide]

Oh

Keep up the hope brother

We must pray

[hidden bay]

Will do

Im reformed and guy calling me out was last straw

[daring oxide]

If we pray collectively, realz will glide down from the heavens and bring warmth with him in the form of a lovely KS rework that will make us all happy

[hidden bay]

Preach brother

[daring oxide]

Plus a few other things (GSW update, deft fix, lucky coin fix, etc etc etc)

[gaunt phoenix]

gsw vs gs is i guess a more interesting choice

[daring oxide]

Aye

[gaunt phoenix]

cant say im worried about it tho

[daring oxide]

Just give GSW a lil update bump

[hidden bay]

Honestly i literally want ks fixed and im happy

[daring oxide]

And we can see some GSW love over GS

Same

[hidden bay]

Its hard to hate on anything else atm

[daring oxide]

Aye

For me my two biggest gripes are killing spree, even though I’ve become so used to it now and play around with it well, and lucky coin, which just eternally brings me pain and anguish

[gaunt phoenix]

idk lucky coin is a lost cause

i really dont see them changing it

[daring oxide]

I was hoping they’d drop it down to 5

Even 6

[gaunt phoenix]

unless it is part of ks as a trickster update so they also look at fatebound

[hidden bay]

Maybe next expac they go fuck it hero trees were bad delete

Take some of the good things put in base trees

[daring oxide]

I would think they’d touch fatebound a bit to make it more competitive with trickster in m+ content

Is my only hope anyhow

But there’s a lot of work to be done to achieve that

[gaunt phoenix]

they wont, the xpac is too soon to iterate upon the game in a major way

[hidden bay]

I dont see any idea being good for sin and outlaw

Specs literally dont have anything in common

[daring oxide]

I think fatebound should focus on sealing fate, as in execute damage

Rather than rng coin flipping

Then it’d make sense for Asda too

Assa

[gaunt phoenix]

you know midnight is gonna be dragonflight part 3

[daring oxide]

But these are just fantasy drama

[hidden bay]

The whole coin idea is just so random

[daring oxide]

Dreams

[gaunt phoenix]

with housing

[hidden bay]

Tf does it have to do anything with fate

[daring oxide]

Wait so are we playing dragonflight part 2 right now?

[gaunt phoenix]

yer

[daring oxide]

Hmm

[daring oxide]

Nothing, they should of called it Gambler

Like no joke

Gambler would of made more sense than fatebound

Gambler outlaw kekw

That is basically what fatebound is

Gambling coins and you get an early lucky coin proc you have rolled high my friend and if you are having a bad day you won’t see a lucky coin until the fight is about to end

[daring oxide]

Also you believe me now about the crimson vial having a unique GCD?

How low did you manage your get it?

[gaunt phoenix]

its not unique, it is hasted

but yes

[daring oxide]

I mean ye hasted

[gaunt phoenix]

it is true

[daring oxide]

Does outlaw have other hasted gcds like that?

[gaunt phoenix]

detection

[daring oxide]

I only notice it with vial

Ohh I see

Well thanks to killing spree I press vial more often 😂

It feels good to use too

Super fast gcd and cheap energy and heals really well with iron stomach

[hidden bay]

Wait so vial gcd is hasted and affected by adr?

[glass mortar]

dont think its effected by adr

its just hasted

[gaunt phoenix]

no itsj ust hasted

[hidden bay]

Weird

Make it ogcd

And cleanse ks dot

[uncut solar]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[mossy blade]

hey guys dumb question maybe, but is it normal to sometimes have no energy as outlaw? i normally play assa and sub but never touched outlaw but want to try it for funsies today

[mild vigil]

if you're unlucky yeah you can run out

part of the class, each spec has their own ways of running out of energy

[glass mortar]

generally only happens when u get very unlucky. a majority of energy problems come from misplay

[gaunt phoenix]

you typically wont when playing well

[mild vigil]

yeah sometimes you get unlucky and go 6+ sinister strikes without a proc

and just kinda melt into the floor from depression

[fallen knot]

i would like to play an alt but i have no idea on what alt to play please help

[mild vigil]

do you want to use this alt for actual content or for funsies

[fallen knot]

i mean i'd like to get it as geared as my main

how difficult is deva evoker

[mild vigil]

if you're used to playing outlaw

going to dev evoker is like going from a sports car to your family's heirloom jalopy

[fallen knot]

i main enha, but i have outlaw mindset, have played it for 2 expansions on and off

[mild vigil]

in terms of speed

but yeah dev evoker is super easy

actually a 3 button class

and you have ranged privilege

[fallen knot]

the problem is that

[glass mortar]

you might struggle to play dev evoker if u play enhance and outlaw

its very difficult

[fallen knot]

if aug becomes a thing again i will be forced to play that horrendous spec

[glass mortar]

going from 70+ apm gameplay to 30 apm gameplay

[mild vigil]

yep

[fallen knot]

i will just delete it

[mild vigil]

that's the only challenge for you if you want to play evoker

[fallen knot]

if aug comes back

holy 30apm sounds so fucking nice

i can watch netflix

during fights

[late swallow]

Any BDAGs in chat rn? (Big dick ass gooners)

[olive flax]

Watching my raid dev evokers clown on me on single target all night and 30% of their damage is a channeled cast.... feels bad man

[mild vigil]

you can literally do a side project on your other monitor while doing 30 apm gameplay

[pearl trout]

my struggle with evoker was the lack of defensives 💀

[mild vigil]

??????

[fallen knot]

well

[glass mortar]

they have pretty good defensives tho

[fallen knot]

you can literally fly

[mild vigil]

obsidian scales, renewing blaze, etc

[glass mortar]

idk my evoker feels pretty immortal

[mild vigil]

cast while moving

[fallen knot]

isnt that a good defensive

[glass mortar]

but they are all proactive

if ur reacting to damage as dev ur already dead

[pearl trout]

I mean, from Rogue to Evoker i feel unsafe without my Feint lol

[fallen knot]

how about fire mage

i always want to try mage every expansion

[pearl trout]

also thats like the main thing everyone says about mail classes and having bad defensives

[glass mortar]

sure almost everythings a step down from outlaw

[fallen knot]

and i always end up hating it

[mild vigil]

fire mage is the outlaw rogue of mage

[glass mortar]

eh thats really just true for shaman now a day

[mild vigil]

you need high apm

[glass mortar]

maybe bm hunter

hunter and evoker r quite tanky

[mild vigil]

but you also have to account for casting times and positioning

fire mage is one of the only specs I will acknowledge as being harder than outlaw

[fallen knot]

outlaw is kind of easy

just fast as fuck

[glass mortar]

fire mage is quite a bit easier to pull off then outlaw

its "speed" is literally 50% ogcds

the cadence u press ur buttons as mage

is very different from outlaw

ogcds are way easier to manage

[mild vigil]

outlaw's difficulty comes form that speed, and having to react on the fly constantly

I hadn't considered that Weran

[olive flax]

Outlaw is easy but there is always a distinct point on raid night where I get a stream of bad rolls that makes me swap to sin the rest of the night

[fallen knot]

i was also thinking about warlock

[glass mortar]

fire mage is among the harder ranged specs tbf

[fallen knot]

since you can just play every spec

[dawn talon]

i mean

[glass mortar]

mage in general has a very op toolkit but requires u press ur buttons

[fallen knot]

with the same gear

[dawn talon]

kir is probably the most executionally difficult thing

in the game

[mild vigil]

Yep

That’s why I play HO trickster 🙂

[dawn talon]

it's just not difficult in the same kind of way as most of the other challenging specs

[olive flax]

Idk i think with UB and spree kir is easier to play now

[mild vigil]

When I had to do sprocket I was sad b/c I had to swap back to KiR and use my brain again

[olive flax]

Kir now is just send kir when you get 4 or more and that's really it. Then it's congrats you have 80% uptime on rolls

[dawn talon]

the tolerance for mistakes in st is very low

[gaunt phoenix]

unironically i thought tanking was similar to outlaw with not being cd based and being busy for every global lol

[dawn talon]

yeah

prot pala

is fun

[glass mortar]

prot warrior has kinda a similar vibe

[mild vigil]

I like brewmaster

[glass mortar]

several procs u are reacting to at fast pace and lots of ogcd

[mild vigil]

I just wish it wasn’t the black sheep of tanks always

[glass mortar]

honestly prot palas apm is so fakr

[mild vigil]

B/c of stagger

[glass mortar]

even more then prot war imo

yea brm is a banger

it has so many buttons and a fun rotation

its just held back hard by its core design

cant relate to that honestly

💅

[mild vigil]

[dawn talon]

i think brew's core design is completely fine they just need to give it an extra cd that is bad in st

[fallen knot]

so evoker good but if aug is buffed i delete character, mage is way too hard for me i cant even, dk is boring bloodbeast goes brr, monk is hardcapped, maybe warlock?

[glass mortar]

i dont think in a game where tanks have so much self sufficiency (even prot) and can live so long without a healer, a tank that is chained to a healer is a fun design idk

obviously its going to be a spectrum i think brm is too far down the spectrum tho

[gaunt phoenix]

also trying to dps as a resto druid in keys also felt similar to outlaw lol

just being busy always idk

and melee

[jolly geyser]

wrath spam?

[gaunt phoenix]

naw

[glass mortar]

i mean most classes in this game dont have downtime in their rotation tho

even melee

their speed is just based on how much haste they get and how many ogcds they have

[fallen knot]

what the fuck wowhead

[gaunt phoenix]

ye but i dont want cds

[fallen knot]

how do i choose

[glass mortar]

evoker is a bit of a mess rn

theres like

4 builds

idk go look at logs honestly

[fallen knot]

i have never touched an evoker

[glass mortar]

im pretty sure flameshaper is just better in alot of raid fights and dungeons

[fallen knot]

only for leveling

[glass mortar]

its like, new tech after 5000 red spell buffs tho

[fallen knot]

in mop remix

btw

[gaunt phoenix]

well with any luck it might not matter as much as it appears

[vivid vessel]

wtf

fb is 1% ahead of trickster for me

what a scam

[jolly geyser]

in cleave /s

[mild vigil]

Damn

Guess you have to play fb

Enjoy coins falling out of your pocket being the only gameplay addition

[vivid vessel]

I love trickster way too much tho

[gaunt phoenix]

fatebound has a better vanish rule !

[vivid vessel]

trickster has more things going on

its cool

[mild vigil]

I wonder what outlaw death statistics look like now that trickster is meta

[gaunt phoenix]

there is death aggregation in wclogs for raid

but outlaw on the low end

[fallen knot]

the fuck do you mean 3button spec i see at least 20cds and 10 different breaths

[mild vigil]

Core rotation

Btw are you sure outlaw isn’t on the low end b/c of sample size

[fallen knot]

do i need to bind pyre?

[gaunt phoenix]

apparently the spec with the most deaths among mythic logs in augvoker

[mild vigil]

Lmao

Who the fuck is bringing an aug to mythic

[vivid vessel]

I love ho being 2 % ahead of kir

in st

thoughts solo

[upbeat totem]

!oh

[ornate heath]

A dagger offhand is technically like 0.2% better than a slow weapon because it generates more Instant Poison procs. That is the only difference, Fatal Flourish proc rate is normalized to be unaffected by the change in attack speed. Note that item level or stats will matter more than this quirk, or you can simply use a slow weapon anyway for transmog.

[vivid vessel]

and i have kir gear

[pearl trout]

that sure is a feat considering aug player numbers

[gaunt phoenix]

its as a percentage among them

[vivid vessel]

im glad every shitter in the world just do more damage than me playing an easier build

[gaunt phoenix]

skill issue prob

[jolly geyser]

maybe they all no lifing on dying

[vivid vessel]

meh

this is mega cringe

2%

wild man

wild

im litteraly trolling playing kir

cba

[gaunt phoenix]

Well its just sprocket no

[vivid vessel]

no

every fight

where you play trickster

kir is 2 % behind

[fallen knot]

fuck evoker i really hate it

[mild vigil]

I still miss 2x coup

[gaunt phoenix]

that didnt take long

[mild vigil]

we didn't know what we had until it was gone

[vivid vessel]

or my kir is 2% behind its prolly more if you have good ho gear

[fallen knot]

it makes no sense feels like i am playing league of legends

[vivid vessel]

im at 20% haste so

[gaunt phoenix]

i mean you're not wrong

kir should be ahead in theory

[glass mortar]

ok but have u tried double jump zooming around cities and such

i play my evoker just to do dh style parkour

ngl

(and play pres)

[vivid vessel]

eh

no way im playuing shit ho

[fallen knot]

nah i'll play lock now

[vivid vessel]

i will just get r1s doing 2 % less damage than everyone

[fallen knot]

i have to decide tho, do i level my orc that is literally ugly as fuck or do i play nightelf

[gaunt phoenix]

tbf most people are not doing the audacity bug in stealth

so it is slightly oversimming

whatever that's worth Lol

[olive flax]

What's the audacity bug

[gaunt phoenix]

you know sinister strike turns into ambush during audacity yes

[olive flax]

Ye

[gaunt phoenix]

this sinister strike, turned into ambush, is better than regular ambush and has a chance to triple hit instead of just double hit

[fallen knot]

so you want to have 2 binds

and press that ambush

not the stealth one

[olive flax]

Ohhh got it

[gaunt phoenix]

So when audacity is active you want to press SS (that has turned into ambush)

you will naturally do this outside of stealth

but during stealth you can technically press SS when both audacity and stealth overlap

[loud hazel]

yo

guys

[olive flax]

Yea that's what i was thinking but now I kinda want to double check it a but

[loud hazel]

one question, vanish removes faerie swarm's disarm?

[fallen knot]

also what the fuck is happening with lock hero talents hellooooooooooooooo

[gaunt phoenix]

tf is faerie swarm, pvp?

[fallen knot]

yes

[loud hazel]

ye

balance droid pvp talent

[gaunt phoenix]

not a clue #pvp

[loud hazel]

another one, gauche can proc from pistol shots

?

[gaunt phoenix]

no

it cant

[loud hazel]

thanks

[fallen knot]

legit what the fuck

at least destro has it clearly 1 for single target and 1 for aoe

[twilit nest]

uhhh wrong discord

[gaunt phoenix]

so you can pick one isnt that a good thing

[fallen knot]

no i usually talk about other specs here

cause it's the only discord that is actually useful

[covert kestrel]

fax

[loud hazel]

wrong channel

#wow-general

[covert kestrel]

all other class discords are weebs/furrys/cringe or all of the above

[twilit nest]

it actually kinda pisses me off a bit, im 100% sure one of those is the "best" build. if numbers are equal, one of those is better or easier play or has some type of advatange to it.

[fallen knot]

theserranoman have you experienced true yapping in outlaw channel yet

[glass mortar]

i pray for u

[loud hazel]

yep

[glass mortar]

all the warlock players i know use custom apls

[fallen knot]

it really goes sideways

sometimes

[glass mortar]

idk where they got them

i will not comment beyond that tho

[twilit nest]

if you want to test builds go ahead, but i feel like wowhead should be a place that tells you "this is the one go learn it now"

[glass mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/jose-mourinho-sweet-trouble-gif-26762341

[fallen knot]

ok then fuck warlock aswell if i cant sim it

[twilit nest]

they making custom APLS for a insanely simple caster? cool.

[pearl trout]

fun story that happen to a friend: He was playing Paladin in DF, he went to the Paladin Discord looking for raid talents, and when he open the Talents thread on the Ret channel all he found, literally, the only thing on the channel was this gif

https://tenor.com/view/shock-shocker-shocked-black-guy-gif-27526370

[covert kestrel]

well that's just objectively hilarious

[glass mortar]

my guildy asked for help in ww discord and said u were the only person that responded to comment on me being in the log

[covert kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/thor-ragnarok-thor-chris-hemsworth-coworker-we-know-each-other-gif-8287766

*outlaw discord

[gaunt phoenix]

i guess rogue has a little more dedicated players

[mild vigil]

we're united in tragedy

[olive flax]

Tbf the paladin discord is wild

Rogue discords are actually helpful. Doomers for sure, but helpful

[pearl trout]

the only thing I know is that PvP pally discussion is WILD

[covert kestrel]

wasn't my fault for the derailment

[loud hazel]

paly = 👬

[glass mortar]

LUL

god of course ludacris was in there too

[fallen knot]

HAAHAHA that is insanely funny

[vivid vessel]

ludacris?

you mean larias

[glass mortar]

larias? you mean latias

[slate plaza]

!up

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1346745738532491296/New_Project.jpg

[valid kindle]

does meld activate subterfuge or nah?

[gaunt phoenix]

yesnt

you have to meld into stealth

like literally press stealth again

[valid kindle]

ah

[gaunt phoenix]

but this only works on trash

not bosses

and its also buggy and weird and hardly works anyway

so gl

[valid kindle]

it counts as "regular" stealth for feral's empowered rake so I was wondering

even in raid bosses

my rogue's not nelf so purely curiosity

[gaunt phoenix]

for us it counts as a stealth state (e.g. you can press ambush) but it doesnt count as breaking stealth to trigger subterfuge again, unless you can leave combat and recast real stealth (which you can on trash)

[valid kindle]

makes sense

does it reset the cd of bte?

[fallen knot]

it's probably a dk angle ngl, lock looks a worse less sparkly elemental shaman

[gaunt phoenix]

it doesnt on its own

[valid kindle]

only with stealth after fuckery then

[vivid vessel]

all meld does

is drop combat basically

you need to actually press stealth

to get all the stealth stuffs

[valid kindle]

good to know it's nowhere near as powerful for rogue as for feral

[vivid vessel]

i mean on paper

it is

its just

idk how real that is honesly

and again its trash only

doesnt work on bosses

or in raid

[proven ocean]

Noob

[loud hazel]

hey bois, how does this build works? ->

100 energy feels extremely painfull

[late swallow]

you need to stack more haste than you normally would for HO

[gaunt phoenix]

u need haste

[late swallow]

somewhere between 14-18% depending on what the sim tells you

[gaunt phoenix]

with proper gameplay you are maintaining adrenaline rush like always

[loud hazel]

17% i have

[gaunt phoenix]

which feels good

[late swallow]

17% should be good ngl

[glass mortar]

17% from stats

or 17% in stealth

[loud hazel]

yep, 17% from stats, not from the talent

i'm using the honor gear for pve/pvp atm

[late swallow]

weran be like

[loud hazel]

and i'm still running out of energy

[vivid vessel]

fuck weran ! ! !

[glass mortar]

? its an important distinction

[vivid vessel]

or should i say

fuck twist !!

[glass mortar]

if u had 17% in stealth as HO build u only have 7% which is not enough

[vivid vessel]

or should i say

[late swallow]

"it's an important distinction"

[vivid vessel]

fuck gaweli ! !! !

[loud hazel]

so

why no energy

[gaunt phoenix]

if you cant maintain adrenaline rush then you're missing something on how to play outlaw

[upbeat tundra]

does anyone else feel like lfg feels remarkably dead lately

[loud hazel]

i'm maintining it all times, i'm a olaw autist 24/7

[vivid vessel]

ye i killed it

bang

[upbeat tundra]

😦

[loud hazel]

but still i'm starving energy sometimes without vigor

[late swallow]

yeah keys don't get listed if you're not part of exodia giga god comp

sorry lil bro

[upbeat tundra]

but i am, i just keep making characters and getting to this +15 wall and then theres nothing to do

atleast thats the wall in NA

just zero keys listed idk why

[glass mortar]

its 2pm at the latest for NA rn

middle of the work day on a thursday

[upbeat tundra]

you know i keep hearing that but then i see EU streamers in lfg at any point in the day and there's always degenerates playing keys

[late swallow]

EUropoors are unemployed

[glass mortar]

tru EU is filled with degenerates, i concur

[late swallow]

living off of government gibs

[upbeat tundra]

u can make anything sound crazy if you phrase it specifically to sound crazy

[glass mortar]

i mean NA pug scene is deadish this expac idk, even during peak hours theres only a couple keys at that range listed

everyone doing those keys just has contacts on their friends list to make groups

they rnt pugging

[upbeat tundra]

we are playing a 20 year old computer game designed for moms and dads by breastmilk drinkers working at a multi billion dollar company etc etc you can phrase anything to sound like that

[glass mortar]

thats the direction its been going for awhile

[late swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-dance-cat-arabic-turkish-middle-east-gif-1598914448700171832

(real btw no ai)

[upbeat tundra]

[late swallow]

my fav outlaw moment was when realz came in here and clush asked him if he was beating his schmeat

the real reason we get 0 changes

[glass mortar]

i just couldnt believe someones first response to him posting was that, and it wasnt you

honestly

[vivid vessel]

ye same

[upbeat tundra]

bro ur acting like realz isnt an actual human and is instead a robot who wants "pls uncap blade flurry" "pls fix ks" repeatedly

ima do it again too

if he's in here

u realize he's just a guy who works on a computer game

he isn't god himself

[glass mortar]

u act like real humans want to post in a discord giving info about a change they made and have people ask them if they are jorkin it

[late swallow]

i'm with clush on this one

[glass mortar]

wdym a robot im sorry do u think thats a normal response to someone who isnt part of this community posting??

[upbeat tundra]

this discord is productive conversations legitimately under 1% of the time

infact half the text here is zeros posting 1-line single words

[late swallow]

[glass mortar]

maybe that 1% of the time should be when an actual dev related to our spec posts in here tho?

[hybrid crown]

Lmao

[upbeat tundra]

30% is zac telling us how dogshit outlaw is

[glass mortar]

nothing uve said is an excuse for saying that btw

[gaunt phoenix]

its cringe but i dont think realz is concerned about cringeposting

[glass mortar]

i dont really care, its incredibly cringe tho

[vivid vessel]

it is tho right

[upbeat tundra]

and its fine im here for it

but lets not pretend like this is some sacred place we dont shitpost in the vast majority of the time

[glass mortar]

yea its not a big deal i dont think anyone seriously thinks he was annoyed

[late swallow]

do other discords even interact with their class devs?

or is that kind of anomalous for DH/rogue

[glass mortar]

class devs dont post in discords

[upbeat tundra]

do other class devs even jork it?

[glass mortar]

pretty sure its just realz

not in the open public discords anyway

im sure there have been times devs communicated directly to TC/class guide writing teams in discords

sephuz did that back in the day for shadow priest

[late swallow]

interesting

[gaunt phoenix]

sephuz did it here too

[glass mortar]

he was a chill guy

[gaunt phoenix]

Chill dude but yes behind closed doors thing

[glass mortar]

loved his legendary (it was the second one i got)

[vivid vessel]

guys

im sorry

its my bad realz left

i take entire responsability

[glass mortar]

we all know zac

and we dont forgive u

[vivid vessel]

ok..

[jolly geyser]

zac more like

suc

[late swallow]

!abb

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1173698090448994335/image.png

[glass mortar]

zac more like

tompelvis

[late swallow]

!cap

FUCK they took that command down

[daring oxide]

Yeah fu Zac you ruined my only way to communicate bugs to realz

[covert kestrel]

swift slasher was vrgl's favorite abbreviation

[gaunt phoenix]

you can sometimes have low points but it shouldnt be often if you are in fact maintaining adrenaline rush

ur regen is like 25 per second during AR

and then fatal flourish procs like once per second average

then pistol shot and killing spree are net energy positive buttons

[glass mortar]

btw @vivid vessel did u see my latest crashout

[gaunt phoenix]

AR cast itself resets energy

[glass mortar]

it was about FF

why does FF exist

why does 40% of our energy gen need any variance

just make it passive gen

[split lintel]

Is trickster that much better than fatebound given the danger that comes with killing spree?

[gaunt phoenix]

in aoe, yes. significantly so

any time blade flurry damage is involved trickster takes over

on pure single target like Sprocket then HO Trickster vs KIR Fatebound is a tossup based on gear

[split lintel]

Gotcha, thank you 🙂 I'll just try to be more aware when using KS

[gaunt phoenix]

tho on mythic sprocket you definitely cannot use ks and are forced on fatebound

[gaunt phoenix]

you can send killing spree at low combo points if you fear death

like on dfc 3rd boss