Add this on your gear profile 1 for activated 0 for desactivated
#tc-research
maiden cargo
tough dirge
i could just sim with 1100 and then 0011 as a copy and would see the comparison ?
maiden cargo
copy=0pc
set_bonus=tier19_2pc=0
set_bonus=tier19_4pc=0
set_bonus=tier20_2pc=0
set_bonus=tier20_4pc=0
copy=4p_t19
set_bonus=tier19_2pc=1
set_bonus=tier19_4pc=1
set_bonus=tier20_2pc=0
set_bonus=tier20_4pc=0
copy=2p_t20
set_bonus=tier19_2pc=0
set_bonus=tier19_4pc=0
set_bonus=tier20_2pc=1
set_bonus=tier20_4pc=0
copy=4p_t20
set_bonus=tier19_2pc=0
set_bonus=tier19_4pc=0
set_bonus=tier19_2pc=1
set_bonus=tier19_4pc=1
Add this and it will show you the DPS for all 4 options
crimson pawn
one question: ive copied the assa t20 profile from the simulationcraft page but when i sim it for myself it doesnt sim as high as on the page. is the page just not updated? my simcraft is up to date
maiden cargo
If you used nightly + default profile + 0.05% target error your results should be correct
crimson pawn
ok, thanks
zinc flint
When the Engine trinket was implemented, how many orbs does sim estimate that we will pick up per proc?
somber yarrow
my windows defender is refusing to let the latest simulationcraft build run lol
brave bolt
@Yoe#7875 See the T20 sim, check buff duration versus procs. That should give you your answer.
gray flume
Just got the new ring. Was hoping for Sub bracers.... Anyway. Interesting Raidbots bug, I'm on a slightly older laptop and didn't screenshot. But when I ran the Top Gear setup on the website, allowing for ring, mantle, boots, with epic options for each item slot, it returned a result that claimed arming all 3 legendaries would be my best option. While I suppose it's true, I've never encountered it doing that before. Anyone have a similar issue?
hoary sundial
The ring is not correctly implemented yet I suppose
split sorrel
?
lunar trout
@gray flume You'd be best raising that under #bug-reports on the Raidbots Discord; I imagine it's a known issue though.
sullen thorn
What should I be aiming for on secondary stat percentages? I know the priorities just having trouble determining the number range to be in
Sub rogue forgot to mention, I'm at work and not sure how to use the whole sim craft deal and what not
iron elk
there is a way to change the defaults setting for bloodlust?
finite thunder
@torn dome if I want to check KB duration can I use dot.kingsbane.remains?
torn dome
dot.anydotnamehere.remains yes
finite thunder
k thx, thought KB was treated differently
@torn dome if I want to force TB for the last KBs 9s, I just need to change actions.maintain toxic blade and add &(dot.kingsbane.remains<9.1)? I added that and its doing fine for the first 4-5 KB casts
after that It just doesnt delay TB
finite thunder
oh yeah, im special xD
torn dome
you need dot.kingsbane.remains<9.1 and dot present currently
finite thunder
thx for the help 😗
iron elk
why 9.1? isnt better <=9 or <9?
btw
actions.maintain+=/toxic_blade,if=combo_points.deficit>=1+(mantle_duration>=gcd.remains+0.2)&dot.rupture.remains>8&((!buff.bloodlust.react&target.health.pct>=30)|((buff.bloodlust.react|target.health.pct<30)&dot.kingsbane.ticking&dot.kingsbase.remains<9))
seems to be promising
actually it gives 1k dps more than the simply on CD
with my gear and bracers+boots
torn dome
no
that just uses it on cooldown
and 1k is from target error
the | in the middle invalidates holding complitely
iron elk
? isnt OR?
iron elk
only with target health more than 30%
torn dome
http://i.imgur.com/Vn2yKah.png
well its clearly not syncing it like that
clever plover
so is a new version of simcraft out?\
torn dome
actions.cds+=/toxic_blade,if=combo_points.deficit>=1&(target.health.pct>=30|(target.health.pct<30&dot.kingsbane.ticking&dot.kingsbase.remains<9))```
Try this @iron elk10k loss from on cd use
and even 10k with wrists
iron elk
yes, this is a loss, but i'm trying to consider bloodlust
without implement BL on cd is the clearly winner (but for me is a loss of maximum 7-5K)
iron elk
i want to sync even with BL
torn dome
my point was bl is used on pull on sim
so that line means nothing
unless you modify lust timing
iron elk
and if i can understand how, try with bl on 30% hp
torn dome
well then sure
iron elk
btw buff.bloodlust.react isnt the conditional for checking the presence of BL?
torn dome
Id assume it is
iron elk
so i should assume that !buff.bloodlust.react dont work?
torn dome
that exact react line is in potion lines in default profiles
so Id assume it works too
but with ! I dont know
iron elk
still doesnt work
torn dome
what do you want to do
iron elk
that when the target is above 30% and without BL tb will be casted on cd
when you have bl or the target is under 30% you will sync
torn dome
ah
iron elk
anyway it doesnt work even with toxic_blade,if=combo_points.deficit>=1+(mantle_duration>=gcd.remains+0.2)&dot.rupture.remains>8&dot.kingsbane.ticking&dot.kingsbase.remains<9
torn dome
well to begin with
actions.cds+=/toxic_blade,if=combo_points.deficit>=1&(target.health.pct>=30|(target.health.pct<30&dot.kingsbane.ticking&dot.kingsbase.remains<9))
Have this as base
torn dome
😄
iron elk
anyway, last question. if i do a
copy="xx","xxx"
and i want modify the APL, i must copy all the apl or i can subsitute only the lines i care?
torn dome
Got bl check to work
another 5k loss
actions.cds+=/toxic_blade,if=combo_points.deficit>=1&((!buff.bloodlust.up&target.health.pct>=30)|(target.health.pct<30&dot.kingsbane.ticking&dot.kingsbase.remains<9)|(buff.bloodlust.up&dot.kingsbane.ticking&dot.kingsbase.remains<9))
actually that didnt still do it 🤔
iron elk
actions.maintain+=/toxic_blade,if=combo_points.deficit>=1+(mantle_duration>=gcd.remains+0.2)&dot.rupture.remains>8&(((!buff.bloodlust.up)&target.health.pct>=30)|((buff.bloodlust.up|target.health.pct<30)&dot.kingsbane.ticking&dot.kingsbane.remains<9))
work for me
but its a 1k loss
actions.maintain+=/toxic_blade,if=combo_points.deficit>=1+(mantle_duration>=gcd.remains+0.2)&dot.rupture.remains>8&((!buff.bloodlust.up)|(buff.bloodlust.up&dot.kingsbane.ticking&dot.kingsbane.remains<9))
3K gain
torn dome
well its only one cast during lust
iron elk
stacking on BL seems to be good
maybe it even work with trinket with haste proc D:
anyway how i can edit with the code window?
and probably changing the apl to cast the first kingsbane before the 9sec will be better D:
summer sentinel
using the string that fuu pinned in the sub channel for sim craft it crashes my sim at the very end of scaling vers. is there something i can be doing wrong to cause it to crash like that?
grave tusk
Anyone have link for the updated tier 20 sim spreadsheet for all classes?
iron elk
there is a reason why we still use the old war as assassination?
i tried to put the prolonged power and i gained like 8k.
iron elk
actually bracer+boots
btw even with shoulder+bracer prolonged power is better than old war, less better but still better
iron elk
potion of prolonged power +
potion,if=(target.time_to_die>60&buff.bloodlust.react)|(target.health.pct<30|target.time_to_die<=60)
seems to be a dps improvement for both shoulder+bracer and bracer+boots
but with the default Mt20 only the potion seems to be better
untold echo
SimCraft is giving me errors like "Unable to determine Server and Character information" even when navigating the import to the profile itself. Is it still waiting for the armory to update, or might something be borked?
proper cairn
correction, doesn't accept custom APL
regal agate
tested it and it works with a modified apl (i just added a line)
proper cairn
regal agate
that means your apl has an issue
potion=old_war```
if you want to use old war instead of prolonged powerit worked yesterday
Default consumables
potion=old_war
flask=seventh_demon
food=lavish_suramar_feast
augmentation=defiled
mystic jolt
So raidbots doesn't work with the new legendaries
regal agate
should work with them
mystic jolt
1 sec, lemme post a ss of what happens
The 'x's are the helm and new ring
And they don't register as legendaries
So raidbots sims me as having 3 legendaries
regal agate
ye i cant add the new legendary to the simulation.
mystic jolt
Simc works fine so I'll just use that 🤷
regal agate
ye will likely get an update soon(raidbots).
cloud thorn
New tier should be great! 🤔
serene edge
So what is the actual gain we get from having tier?
per spec that is, does anyone have an accurate link? The one I see seems very low
cerulean junco
do you sim t19 with same itemlvl as t20?
cobalt creek
is 15% haste for outlaw atm?
tough dirge
Outlaw SND -0.08% Assa-TB -0.11% and Sub depends becaus ethere are so many builds it should be between +1-2% gain. those are t19M ->t20H . same gear only setbonus changes
topaz ingot
Does simming Soul of the Shadowblade actually work? Cause icy veins tells me its better than Insignia yet i sim higher dps with a 30 ilvl lower Insignia (Assassination)
eternal oracle
someone can tell why nightly build is simming so wrong u have to change sth on sim settings?
split sorrel
@eternal oracle ?
feral crystal
anyone able to explain to me how I build straight from github? Or an alternative way that I don't have to download the installer everytime I want to update simc
regal agate
you can download the archive file and extract/use that
feral crystal
Where does it go? and do I need anything to extract it?
regal agate
a programm that can unpack 7z filetype (winrar, 7zip). you just need to download it -> extract -> start
eternal oracle
@split sorrel all good
pure condor
anyone know why the simc default profile is using tier20 head and offset cloak instead of offset head and tier20 cloak?
for sin
hollow root
woah what happened with the APLs over the weekend? I came back from vacation today and run a sim on my SnD Outlaw with 53 traits and got 1.035m dps and 980k on 56 traits Sin oO
SnD Otl was only matchin Sin before this weekend
lunar trout
@hollow root Whether a bug or their intent is open for debate, but it's what caused the simulations to spike up by such a large degree: https://github.com/Ravenholdt-TC/Rogue/issues/20
split sorrel
always read the tc hub 😉
next knot
Is the newest nightly build up to date with all changes? My arms warrior was supposed to get nerfed ~5% but dps on it hasn't changed since last week
split sorrel
I don't see any spell data pull so, you'll have to wait few hours
I don't have time to do myself, will be another contributor who will do it
next knot
not a problem, I was just checking 😃
trail grove
@split sorrel Wahts the difference simulating with "Target error 0.5%" and "10k Iterations". I noticed the 0.5% gives me results instantly.
Which one is better?
split sorrel
0.05% 😉
whole wind
Just tried to sim my dps with the new legendary ring... I noticed that simcraft is not recognizing having both talents. My simcraft screwing up or just doesn't know how to sim both running at the same time? My simcraft is up to date too
umbral crag
It seems like using toxic blade on CD even if you have 5 CPs is a DPS increase. Removing all conditions, (while using a custom opener) is a ~5k DPS increase, moving the APL line from 'maintain' to 'cds' is another 1k increase
split sorrel
PR 😃
stray laurel
which offset would you recommend while going 4pT20? Back or legs?
whole wind
@split sorrel I did use Deeper Strategem... still says i didn't have it, had only 100 energy and all that jazz
split sorrel
link ur report
whole wind
Sry... how do i link it
split sorrel
save the html
stray laurel
how do we know exactly which gear have been used for each sims here: https://ravenholdt-tc.github.io/combinator_rogue_t19.html ??
regal agate
"These simulations are all based on the T19M_NH default profiles from SimulationCraft. Set pieces and legendaries have been modified accordingly."
split sorrel
By reading what is said there 😃
mint stump
what is the t20 asassination 4p bonus ? garrote %60 dmg or %40 ? O.o
stray laurel
oh right thanks
proper cairn
40% for 4set
stray laurel
wait, when you apply the stat weight the leg offset is slightly above the back offset, in a 4pT20 configuration
Though i'd point that out.
low gorge
are there best values for assass for TB/MP right now?
the pawn string that ssimc is giving me with the nightly build is diff values than i have been reading
has crit over vers still
was wondering if people are experiencing the same
ivory stag
stat weights are dependant on your own current stat weights
ivory stag
on your own current stats*
yes it is
but its based on what stats you have
for example if you had 100% vers
and 0 in all other stats
those would probable get really high values
except for maybe haste lul
low gorge
ok
finite lodge
For the combinator page on talents, where can I see the gear used?
keen fox
can someone sim my stat weights? im on a mac and they havent came out with the mac build yet
peak bone
Class=Rogue, Spec=Subtlety, Agility=23.08, CritRating=18.12, HasteRating=19.82, MasteryRating=19.47, Versatility=19.64 )
is that scale real?
haste above all?
kiddin?
with that talent combo15: Master of Subtlety (Subtlety Rogue)30: Nightstalker45: Deeper Stratagem60: Cheat Death75: Prey on the Weak90: Dark Shadow (Subtlety Rogue)100: Marked for Death
feral crystal
Just looks like your current levels of stats have the values all almost on par with each other
peak bone
Class=Rogue, Spec=Subtlety, Agility=22.29, CritRating=17.13, HasteRating=17.44, MasteryRating=19.35, Versatility=19.30 )
that's my scales for dfa instead of mfd
so mfd has more potential
with higher gear levels
true bobcat
can !sim -ci be used to compare weapon relics or does that need to be done in simcraft proper?
feral crystal
Wouldn't say it has more potential necessarily, just that your current stat spread is more even for mfd
fierce steeple
Simc tell me different about tinkets that the table. Is that possible?
deft pine
Noob question prolly, but Raidbots is telling me no class found when I try to run a gear compare
feral crystal
@fierce steeple it all comes down to your specific gear and what trinkets you have. The trinket ranks are done with a preset gear list
merry pike
was jw if the trinket sim list will include cradle of anguish?
proper cairn
mmm how is it possible that a Minute Mirror 895 sims higher than a Shadowruby Band of the Harmonious 900 with socket, they have the same stat weights ...
tepid pulsar
torn dome
Html versions currently dont exist
warped smelt
!simc
shadow cloak
Can someone show me the sim comparison of the three specs?
supple summit
how do you compare relics in a sim? im new to sim but a fast learner.
i want to know if a ruptue relic or a poision relic would be better
gray wasp
has Infernal cinders been simmed with having multiple people nearby using it
torn dome
All you want can be found on simc wiki @supple summit
Just go to github
supple summit
thank you
torn dome
Some specific things such as relic ilvl overrides arent there afaik. @supple summit
But that would be ,relic_ilevel=x/x/x
Just after your regular relic line
feral crystal
oh thats cool, so item id for particular trait then overide the ilvl so you don't have to stuff around with bonus ids
feral crystal
cheers mate, much easier
feral crystal
ok sweet
split sorrel
it is relic_ilevel rather
torn dome
Ops
fallow wave
Aethys addon is compliance with new APLs?
torn dome
It is using the latest always
split sorrel
😉
In fact, sometimes it happens that the addon got the APL before it's out on SimC 😄
feral crystal
using it in raid atm, nice to have when you get caught up with things and reset your rythem 😃
cerulean bolt
anyone know why warcraft logs is blank for ToS?
civic kestrel
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/statistics/13 its updated now
livid fiber
Anybody decent with Simcraft feel like helping me with a problem I got?
elfin dagger
How come when I try to sim my t20 gear I got today simcraft says that there is no data to report. Has it not been updated?
I'm running 725-01
gaunt gale
is that the nightly? or the release build?
elfin dagger
nightly
verbal kite
hey someone can help me
i just simc my char
and not appers the string for pawn
hey someone can help me
i just simc my char
and not appers the string for pawn
ops sorry.
gaunt gale
did you remember to enable scaling in settings?
tropic void
maiden cargo
torn dome
addon doesnt support this dfa rotation
vale spruce
!help
mighty island
!trinkets
odd sedge
@torn dome have you guys simmed if a macro ShD + evis is better than SS? So first cd would be a finisher, fitting 2 finishers inside dance
plucky abyss
latest simcraft version ?
torn dome
I dont really work on sub. Thatd be for aethys
odd sedge
since evis hits MUCH harder than SS
should be a no brainer gain?
well he´s not answering
can anyone contribute with comments on github?
odd sedge
ok i opened one, no idea if its proper format
strong rune
It's a good question; worth looking into.
regal agate
i wrote that down in my calculations pastepin(in the beginning of june):
This does not nessecerly mean that using Finisher in dance has higher priority.
the topic need further evaluation.```
calm pumice
Is there a guide for simming multiple trinket configuration in one run without having to equip/copy/paste the simc commands multiple times from wow?
like, there was something with talents where I could use copy="such and such";talents=11120011 on a whole bunch of lines
feral crystal
@calm pumice can just do:
Copy=newtrinket
Trinket1=trinketid
Trinket2=trinketid
With correct format of course
If you have them in your bags already they should auto populate below your gear when copying and pasting from simc addon in game
If you don't have them you just need to get item id from wowhead then force the ilvl with ilevel=920 or something instead of worrying about bonus ids
calm pumice
neat, thanks
silent stone
@calm pumice check out SimcTrinketComparison, makes a sim of all the trinkets equipped and in your bags in all configurations
white herald
Is simcraft working with the double talents the new ring gives? because simc isn't showing both talents selected
feral crystal
I remember seeing one of the devs say they are implemented just not showing up
split sorrel
It is.
iron elk
where i can find the default profile for 2t19+4t20?
regal agate
you need to import the T19M_NH profile and switch out gear pieces 😉
iron elk
i cant reproduce the aethys results, are they with 940 leg?
regal agate
i think so
iron elk
until i miss anything, with 970 leg i have sims with 10k more, with 940 20k less than aethys result
and boot+bracer>shoulder+bracer
this without modify APL
gaunt gale
Pretty sure your T19 mythic gear is at the wrong ilevel. Tier, trinkets & rings should be 905, and the neck should be 900.
also your relics are 5ilevel higher than they should be too
those probably account for the differences
iron elk
i imported and modified the t19M_NH as write in the page https://ravenholdt-tc.github.io/combinator_rogue_t19.html
gaunt gale
so you have. that's quite unusual
iron elk
i even try to used the old t19 back
but i cant reach the 1047k, still above 1052k. and still boot+bracer>shoulder+bracer
split sorrel
@iron elk multiple actors reduces overall dps
iron elk
uhm, so the gear is right for t19+t20?
i only want to try my apls with something that is confrontable
split sorrel
doesn't matter
do the test urself
anyway, everything is on the tc hub
in simcscripts
nova girder
To the assasin relic sheet, if i read it right. 1 MA+2MAalch > 3MA?
iron elk
@split sorrel ty
gray wasp
im playing assassination and atm crit is simming higher than everything else is that correct?
iron elk
you should ask in assassination, not here
btw with the 3° MAss gain like 10k dps with bracer+boots
anyone has a line with 3 MAlc 905?
iron elk
yup, but more to how simulate and optimize APL
for stat weight and things like this assassination shoul be the right channel
grave frost
funfact: vigor ring + shoulders sim highest for sin :>
merry cloud
what talent do you pick instead of vigor?
iron elk
can you link me the line for the ring?
boreal patrol
@grave frost do you have a profile? for T20H default vigor ring instead of bracers is ~50k behind for me
grave frost
ah well my bad. i probably forgot to switch bracer / shoulder and boots / shoulder back to the vigor talents and ran simulations with DS instead
which would make sense. i was really surprised myself
sorry for wrong information 😃
iron elk
i dont know if i did some mistake, but i still sim better with bracer+boots 2t19+4t20 and 3MAs instead 4t20 shoulder+bracer 1MAs2MAlc
im pretty sure that this is thanks the use of prolonged power instead of oldwar
merry cloud
those profile names...I understood nothing
what is the difference between scarpe and velscarpe
okay seems to be relics only
well 100 dps difference is not actually a difference
😛
maiden cargo
has anyone made a bis list in the wowhead dressing room yet?
i made this, but odly enough I'm not able to choose any jewelry or trinkets http://www.wowhead.com/dressing-room#Va0m0zJ80aR0R9m8KKT8zcL8JXU8zMX87MKKA8zcL87mFKO8zMX8KKp8zcL8KHs8zcL8KKj8zcL8KH08zcL87m
old otter
does someone else have problems with using shadow dance befoure DfA hits? it may be just lag but for me it seems like the window befoure you hit is really smal
sry wrong chanel
maiden cargo
oh back is shroud of the drowned adherent
iron elk
D: sorry, i forgot to translate the profiles name
btw scarpe=boots+bracer
spalle=shoulder+bracer
vel- suffix is for MAlc relics
maiden cargo
fuck wrong channel, sorry
iron elk
btw i simmed with old war and the main difference is in the relics.
taking the 3° MAs with boots levels the difference with shoulder
sonic aspen
so for the sims you ran for the boots/bracers, did you include a CoF aswell?
iron elk
i used the aethys profile, only modified potion and relic (still working to see if syncing tb on BL its worth)
urban harbor
'how to sim talents im retarded
maiden cargo
talents=3213222 you change numbers
peak bone
how much dps increase gives the sub tier 20 2piece bonus?
lunar trout
Why does the SimulationCraft T20 Heroic Outlaw Profile use Yathae's Thumb Ring instead of Seal of the Second Duumvirate? The latter simulates higher and has a 10 ilvl advantage over the former. 😕
void knoll
@QMSS am i reading it right that for Outlaw there is a net decrease by going to 2 piece of each set , and a decrease from T19 4 piece to T20 4 piece?
cloud thorn
Yeah aka T20 set bonus is worse than T19
void knoll
and that accounts for ilvl changes
cloud thorn
Not sure about that
leaden wharf
Any sheet for our tier set bonus, how much it gives in %?
maiden cargo
scroll up
craggy prawn
strong rune
would you like to take a look?
any issues or optimizations found can be submitted directly as issues on the github page for simc; alternatively, you can submit a pull request
alternatively, you can submit a ticket to the ravenholdt-tc organization where we're cataloging and centralizing our efforts
sullen ridge
sub apl for all builds except for dfa working fine right?
grave frost
set_bonus=tier19_2pc=1
set_bonus=tier20_2pc=1
set_bonus=tier19_4pc=0
set_bonus=tier20_4pc=0
is this correct for simming double 2p ?
i actually lost dps with double 2pc over 4p t19
maiden cargo
Yes, which spec?
grave frost
sub
even with t19 2p=1 , t20 2p=1 and t20 4p=1
i lose damage
so something is off
maiden cargo
Yes, check #tc-updates
grave frost
ima try t19 4p = 1 and t20 2p=1
i have to gain dps that way
if not somethings broken
maiden cargo
This will be incorrect if you are using Mantle
grave frost
yeah i just want to know if it sims properly or if i am doing something wrong but if you say the lines are right
it shouldnt
maiden cargo
Yes, good idea
grave frost
alright i gain 40k dps that way
30k* which is like nothing. but because of the wrong apl this sims are off anyway since 2p is good for the burst build and 4p makes sod line up better with dfa
maiden cargo
Help the theorycrafters with the APL or wait for fixes then 😉
grave frost
i would but im too stupid for that. tried several times to change things in the apl with the guide that is available
all the results i got were blank sheets 😛
maiden cargo
naive olive
Hello all.
Im a sin rouge. I just got the new legendary ring, and im very certain its supposed to sim higher than my legendary belt. however in the results its at least 50k lower.
Is it possible the sim is not counting the legendary effect?
maiden cargo
Belt is better
stray sleet
Quick Question for you theroycrafters?! What is better to play through progression... Sub or Assassin? I have Mantle for sin, but no bracers for sub..?
karmic jewel
anyone knows which trinket from Tos is the bis?
narrow agate
anyone have sub trinket sims?
naive olive
Do i need to have scaling enabled every time? i dont understand what it does it just seems to take 10 times more time
@narrow agate dude literally one line before you the same question gets answered. just press !trinkets in another channel
feral crystal
@naive olive you only need to turn on scaling if you want stat scaling weights to be calculated for your sim
otherwise you can leave it turned off for quicker sims
naive olive
nah im only comparing dps
feral crystal
then once you have compared gear and come out with what is optimal you can sim a final time with scaling to get your knew weights 😃
naive olive
alright seems good thanks 😄
naive olive
Is there a way to test sim a ring with gem and without gem? without having to actually buy it?
or just have a way to raw increase agility or mastery?
feral crystal
yes there is a specific line for a gem give me a sec
@naive olive gem_id=130222
thats the string at the end of the line
naive olive
aight
feral crystal
I believe that id is a mastery gem
but you can always look up the id you need on wowhead
feral crystal
finger1=,id=134323,enchant_id=5429,bonus_id=3473/1808/1527/3337,gem_id=130222
dont forget the enchant 😉
naive olive
love you bro thanks
feral crystal
no stress mate
naive olive
nah belt + back still pulls more
barely
but a bit more
i really have no idea how
or why
feral crystal
simming legendary set ups or tier 20 combos?
feral crystal
up to you mate, I'd trust what you're putting in. I experiment with gear combinations all the time lol. Helps to use Pawn addon as well to get basic and quick gear comparisons based on your current stat weights
naive olive
yeah
hollow comet
hey did anyone figure out tier combinations? t19 vs t20 2set/4set etc?
wispy spoke
So I am really new to this sim dps thing,why does it sometimes say haste(example) is really high and when you get,lets say 6% more of it, it is the lowesr,is there a perfect % of haste you should have?
feral crystal
the stat values are dynamic
is basically the quickest way to explain it
there is no perfect % of stats, it all comes down to how much of each you have. If I have say lots of crit my crit value would be relatively lower then yours if you had almost no crit
@wispy spoke
wispy spoke
ok ty
But where can I check the stat priority of Outlaw,I've heard icy-veins is no always a reliable source
feral crystal
no guide like that will ever be truly accraute for your particular gearset. They are good Very general starting points but you need to sim yourself to find your actual stat weights
either try raidbots.com
or the bot-spam channel to sim yourself if you don't want to download the software
wispy spoke
so is it a good idea to sim myself after every piece of gear I acquire?
feral crystal
pretty much
wispy spoke
ok ty very much
feral crystal
no worries mate, if you have a look at the bot-spam channel you can see how people are typing there stuff in and there are instructions in the pins
merry cloud
@hollow comet https://ravenholdt-tc.github.io
brazen epoch
Is Sim c not taking into account bonus dmg from being behind boss for backstab
split sorrel
double composite_da_multiplier( const action_state_t* state ) const override
{
double m = rogue_attack_t::composite_da_multiplier( state );
if ( p() -> position() == POSITION_BACK )
{
m *= 1.0 + data().effectN( 4 ).percent();
}
return m;
}
of course it does @brazen epoch
brazen epoch
hmm I sim higher with gloomblade than any other talent? /shrug
final arrow
!relic
regal agate
its in the pins: https://www.raidbots.com/
raw arrow
are all the rogue spec apls up to date in simc?
split sorrel
this question doesn't make any sense
raw arrow
for the past week or so people have been saying apls aren't optimized for e.g. sub dfa in simc
split sorrel
this is better
well, I did some attempts to improve DfA usage, but the gain were minor or it was a loss. Although, I'm a bit busy on something else atm, feel free to contribute. In any case, if you care about ST play MfD, if you care about AoE play DfA.
raw arrow
error in term usage 😛 thanks for the answer aethys
lunar trout
What are everyones thoughts on the Outlaw simulations at this point? Obviously logs this early on don't tell an accurate story, but even simulations with NH gear place Outlaw ahead of Assassination yet I haven't seen that reflected with any practical results (even on a small sample size with target dummy logs). Does this possible discrepancy point towards an error with the model?
split sorrel
Outlaw isn't easy to play.
lunar trout
I should have noted that I meant I haven't seen that reflected with practical results from anybody; not just myself. I imagine at least a handful of individuals can play it optimally. Admitedly, it's possible they are so few that the data showing performance near the simulations isn't readily available.
split sorrel
It's because there is no boss where you can afk on a dummy like patchwerk sims are.
Any downtime hit pretty hard Outlaw, that's it 😉
In addition to the fact that it's not an easy spec to play optimally.
lunar trout
That's fair; I guess that must the reason - assuming we've seen optimally played target dummy logs reach those figures. I haven't, but that's not the kind of data that's shared nor easy to find 😉
digital lake
Hey guys! I'm pretty new to Discord so just tell me if thats the wrong channel for such questions. But I wonder if anyone has some reliable information on the outlaw t20 set bonus. More specifically I wonder if its worth it to have t20 2-set and t 19 2set or better stick with t19 4set untill I have the t20 4-set. My Simulations are pretty weird so I guess I have something wrong there. And does anyone has a the value of haste figured out? Looked on icy veins but the just have the prio not the value
muted stump
@digital lake i would ask that in the #outlaw channel. as far as stat values, they vary based on your gear, so there is no way for anyone to give you a number without running a sim
tacit rain
So even with the Sim DfA issue, if we're looking purely at ST, or ST damage, the fact that MfD sims higher than DfA is true and I should take MfD, right?
rocky path
!trinkets
digital lake
@muted stump thank you for your help! Will ask that in outlaw then 😃
maiden cargo
!trinkets
violet lantern
does it matter that my toon has consumable buffs active when i extract the stats to simc it or the extraction doesn't take buffs into consideration?
lofty kiln
Doesn't matter
violet lantern
thank you
amber viper
Hey y'all, testing a few on-use trinkets and simcraft doesn't know what to do with them. What string can I put in my sim profile so that they get used (on CD is fine for this test). Also happy to be pointed to documentation on this
frigid shale
I would also like to know whether there is a document on this
amber viper
I was copying in strings of trinkets I don't have and testing them out. Anything with a use effect gave an error like missing 'use_item' action for item "specter_of_betrayal" (slot=trinket1)
Added actions+=/use_item,name=specter_of_betrayal to the profile and it seemed to work though.
odd sedge
then you copied something wrong, because it is simming use trrinkets fine
fathom violet
sup boys! Crit sims higher for me than mastery - is this real? (sub rogue) ( Pawn: v1: "Nivith": Class=Rogue, Spec=Subtlety, Agility=19.67, CritRating=18.42, HasteRating=8.91, MasteryRating=15.89, Versatility=15.21, Dps=22.87 )
my stats
rose storm
@Rævæn#3732 mastery below crit when you already have almost 28% crit and mastery isn't very high at 82% is pretty odd I'm at similar crit levels with 97% mastery and mastery is top for me with Vers slightly behind and crit further below
You sure your using up to date build?
noble osprey
anyone got sims for sub leggos?
robust marten
hows the sub APL in latest nightly. read somewhere that there was still some tweaks that had to be made for it.
dont know how long ago it was
severe epoch
Does the simc can perform the vanish bug? If can, please help to teach me how to add it in the APL, thanks.
split sorrel
I didn't added it
nor @boreal patrol
maybe it's time considering it's not fixed yet
and as always, 2 days after being in simc it'll be fixed 😄
also some bugs cleanup has to be done in the rogue module
guess I'll do them, like the extended stealth is not working anymore
(you can't stealth while danced anymore which is a bit painful during wq)
severe epoch
@split sorrel Thanks for your hard work 😘
raw anchor
What do people usually set "Length" to when simming?
split sorrel
300 +- 20
willow pecan
Can the Infernal Cinders trinkets sims simulate having more than 1 person having it?
maiden cargo
@raw anchor 420 is optimal
boreal patrol
yes, there is an option you can set @willow pecan
should be legion.infernal_cinders_users
willow pecan
thanks. was just wondering if there's a point when it's sueful for assassination
willow pecan
even with 5 users it still sucks :S
sonic aspen
whats the most optimal way to sim a legendary you dont have?
heady elm
put the item ID in and sim
final forge
Is there any easy way to sim my character with 4 set t20? I copied the item ID's but it doesnt seem to take the set effect
lofty kiln
set_bonus=tier20_4pc=1, however, item IDs should work just fine
final forge
under the gear tab it shows that the 4 items are loaded correctly, and i only simmed 11k higher (seems pretty accurate that only the stat change would be 11k dps)
Where do i add that set bonus line?
lofty kiln
Anywhere after rogue=
final forge
okay thx, will try it, appreciate the fast answer
lofty kiln
You can also check the HTML report to see if it's there
open the "Profile" subsection
and look for this
final forge
both of them say =1 on the profile section, but i only did sim 11k higher (with set items being better statted and slightly higher ilvls)
lofty kiln
Who knows, maybe the set bonus just sucks 😛
final forge
maybe, but this much would mean like 2k dps or so 😛
my first guess would be that I did something wrong, or simcraft doesnt work with sub t20, but idk, thx for help tho!
lofty kiln
@split sorrel You got any sucky set bonuses?
sharp hollow
Hey im just getting into running simcraft, can someone help me figure out why with toxic blade talent simcraft still shows up with Agonizing Poison? Is my Simcraft just out of date?
stray portal
Can simc be trusted at the moment for gear comparison for sub with DFA? It's currently telling me to break 4 piece t19 for higher ilevel pieces.
and sorry if this isn't the right place to ask that.
sharp hollow
@stray portal ive been using the simc command because simcraft wont sinc my armory page for what ever reason
stray portal
Yeah, I use the in game addon.
jolly venture
DfA build is 100k dps loss for me in sims over MfD, however majority of top logs used DfA this week. I wonder how so.
tawny arch
the apl for sub with dfa isn't complete
mystic socket
does mantle work with shadowmeld?
tawny arch
no
fast rune
Has simulationcraft been updated for 7.2.5? I cant seem to find it on the website
drowsy dove
Download the nightly build.
fast rune
Gotcha, thanks
pulsar dove
have small problem... how i should correctly count relic ilvl value? it's ilvl of relic give to weapon x value of trait? f ex. 900 is +58ilvll x 33,85 (trait value) ???
proper cairn
sim it 😃
novel jewel
IS there a good guide for Sub?
couse everyone i see juat has other talents and rotations
different from to logs in warcraftlogs
wheat holly
peak bone
according my current sims with 2 t19+2 t20 with cof and frond the build with wm-sf-ds-mfd sims for 1126 with scales Class=Rogue, Spec=Subtlety, CritRating=20.92, Agility=23.81, HasteRating=17.52, MasteryRating=20.94, Versatility=21.49 )
and with wm-sf-al-mfd wims for 1140 with scales Class=Rogue, Spec=Subtlety, CritRating=21.11, Agility=24.09, HasteRating=14.6, MasteryRating=21.84, Versatility=22.26 )
so alacrity build has better scaling ?
manic pulsar
All of my simulations show alacrity with MfD doing more damage than DS with MfD. Some fights in ToS are going to be a pain for alacrity, though.
For the folks asking about a sub apl optimized for DS and DFA, I'm not ready to say it's completely done, but the default rotation in AMR has gone through at least one heavy round of optimization for sub and handling DS + DFA. I'm seeing DFA simulate highest for single target.
split sorrel
Won't change the Outlaw's flaws/issues in raid 😉
maiden cargo
😭
split sorrel
downtime = 0 dps
maiden cargo
My feelings....
placid grove
savage af
merry pike
what does that image mean 👀
maiden cargo
It means sub is broken
placid grove
lul
merry pike
pogchamp yay
regal agate
i might be able to get some additional dps from apl as its only early prototype phase
also dont forget one of the problems with dfa, to use it efficiently you need rly good timing and good Latancy.
it can happen that especialy if you are not used to the talent lose 1 global of dance.
split sorrel
As I said in #subtlety it depends on the context, if what you're looking is a dps increase on a priority target, play MfD. Else play DfA.
placid grove
Is the boss a priority target? :^)
peak bone
currently shadow focus sims higher than nightstalker with mfd build
also the apl with mfd uses mfd before pull
not inside dance
wind otter
you should use it long before the pull so you can skip the backstab for the first nightblade
peak bone
also mfd sf and al has a 61apm rotation with 10% waiting
peak bone
so we need a pull timer at?
split sorrel
you just do it during the ready check
and if u forgot, as soon as the pull timer starts
in fact you can spam mfd while out of combat
I put -15s in simc
so it's more or less what everyone can do easily
peak bone
ok ty
vast elbow
i just simmed my assassination rogue, and i see that the sim didnt count my deadly poison
is this normal?
naive olive
in the sin rogue guide, in the legendary order
it says that the ring is better than cloack and waist
however with my sims i pull more with cloack and waist rather than any combination of these 3
sacred forge
ring doesn't take a 2pc/4pc slot
cloak does
as for the belt, it has mainstat so it probably comes down to what you're replacing
maiden cargo
any quick way to sim relics?
calm aspen
Should I aim for ilvl/agility over which trinket?
I have CoF and Nightblooming Frond both at 880
But then DoS 895 and 900 Spawn of Sentrix from EoA M+
CoF and NF have 1700 Agil while SoS has 2k Agil flat stat
feral crystal
How does one use the thing Aethys put up in theorycrafting?
maiden cargo
Aethys what happened to outlaw sims ?
feral crystal
Had a look at what you added but couldn't work out where it was on the website :(
maiden cargo
Actually every spec's DPS on the website changed
feral crystal
And shit I think I know where I went wrong. It's a conparison about the different set bonuses
split sorrel
@maiden cargo T19M didn't changed much, T20M was added
feral crystal
For some reason I thought you had added a comparison for selecting the tier in different slots
maiden cargo
In the T20M part, sets names are T20H
feral crystal
Yeah completely understand, was a brain fart moment on my part
maiden cargo
The graph below shows values, but the upper part is from t20h
scarlet bough
@split sorrel right now for T20H for sub it shows outlaw results
maiden cargo
scroll down
split sorrel
yes the table results are a bit messed
dunno when it'll parses again the data
should have been the case
but it's @boreal patrol technology 😄
sterile jolt
@split sorrel Sorry to bug you, what gear sets (particurarly legendaries) are the relic ilvl guides on the RH site using? Is there a way to access the results?
sterile jolt
Thanks a bunch mate, i'll run my own. As always, cheers for the hard work on the site.
split sorrel
😃
proper cairn
lol 2xMA +1 sprint sims higher than 2xMA +1 TB with 4xt19 lolololol
pure condor
aethys are you gonna do the combinator sims with t20 but a cof equipped? since cof sims so high for all specs
pure condor
i guess
although its the spec where it actually might change which leggos you equip since currently your list shows mantle+boots first and with cof i assume itd be mantle+wrists
split sorrel
?
oh assa
just play wrists in progress
too strong
master alchemist aswell if bracers for prog
really strong
pure condor
ye im aiming for 2malch with cof
pure condor
ye if it stays like it is now. but i expect nerfs
split sorrel
who knows
pure condor
nobody 😄 just an expectation
craggy zephyr
is engine of eradication trinket on simc simmed assuming we get all orbs?
split sorrel
yes
final arrow
whats is the most optimal 4pc?
west spruce
hmm how would I test in SimC if concordance is up? I'm trying to mess with the profile a bit to see if Anticipation+Dark Shadows works with trying to fit 3 Eviscerates into every dance with some kind of proc
kind of "a la" 6.0 Demo Lock with pooling and going for big D stacking procs every dance. The hope is to fit 2 Finality Eviscerates per dance somehow, mainly with MfD
strong rune
^ interesting thought
odd sedge
that sounds like a lot of waiting on cds
im still trying to decide if 2 finishers inside dance is a gain myself
west spruce
would have to do it a lot like WoD Demo lock where eventually you just bail and go through your rotation. But Concordance and an On User or Proc Buff trinket like Memento would happen often enough that I doubt you'd sit in no action land very long
boreal patrol
you should be able to check for concordance like any other buff: buff.concordance_of_the_legionfall.up
spare furnace
guys, anyone know why /simc doesnt show me anything in game?
no text, just weapon pop up
fathom violet
can somebody tell me why my ilvl 925 UmbralMoonglaives trinket sims 10k higher than my ilvl 900 EngineOfEradication?? Thought Moonglaives is AOE only.. (I play sub)
In logs I see some other rogues using it too
torn dome
Cause its 25 levels higher?
split sorrel
Read the text above the chart
fathom violet
allrighty then
fathom violet
is raidbots legit for finding best items in bags?
fathom violet
okay 😃
odd sedge
I would love to finally clear this: 2 finishers inside dance (by pooling cps then opening with evis - ss-ss-evis) or the "conventional" 3 SS + finisher? I think the first one should win because how much harder eviscerates hit over SS, so it should be a clear gain to fit as many as possible inside dance? You are only losing 2cps as tradeoff
I think 3 ss+ finisher is what people do because it was how it has always been played
regal agate
did you sim it, as thats a good way to evaluate it
boreal patrol
when i played around with it (on MfD build) going into dance with 5+ CP was a loss
odd sedge
i dont know how to change simcraft apl to sim that sadly
hard hull
Anyone know why he subtlet hands sim higher than insignia? By about 10k? For me at least
merry cloud
@odd sedge you lose 1 Shadowstrike usage which is damage and CP
odd sedge
but its about half the damage of eviscerate
merry cloud
I remember that @split sorrel told me it's not a gain to go full CP into Dance
odd sedge
but recently? with dark shadows etc?
merry cloud
it was 2 days ago if memory serves 😃
odd sedge
aha
merry cloud
that tradeoff is not really trivial
odd sedge
well eviscerate average 2.73m shadowstrike average 1.05m
merry cloud
so it's 30% of average not-dance-multiplied evis
in return you lose 1 buffed-by-dance SS entirely which is damage and 1 CP. Instead you cast 1 backstab outside of dance
that CP is actually tricky because it's partially Evis and RS return
merry cloud
you take average over all fight
odd sedge
yes just posting from my KJ kill really
merry cloud
well you don't backstab inside dance and don't SS outside
so you gain around 600-620k damage
now we need not average evis
but outside of dance evis
because you mix all of them in log
odd sedge
true, I have no idea how to see non dance one
merry cloud
but even then let's say average evis is 2.5m. You gain 2.5m * 0.3% = 750k
and that estimation is likely to be optimistic
and then we recall that there is 1 lost CP for double Evis strat
odd sedge
2 because SS is 2
merry cloud
but you backstab out of dance for that energy
merry cloud
it's just napkin math I presented you
I know Aethys told me it's not a gain
and Mystler told you the same above
regal agate
i told him the same 😉
odd sedge
you told me it was hard to sim 😦
but I see its not as clear cut as I was thinking, thank you for your explanation @merry cloud and @boreal patrol
regal agate
well you are right i was saying its not as easy to sim as its not so easy to change the apl without knowlage
btw. coming to conclusions using evi on 4 cp on last gcd during dance seems like a loss aswell
odd sedge
i know i´ve tried to make some apl changes before, couldnt really do it lol
regal agate
the apl wiki is kinda usefull
halcyon falcon
Aethys will you update the Sims including cloak for outlaw? I'm just curious if snd+cloak is the new m+ meta
Maybe with modified apl for this combination?
boreal patrol
there are cloak results on the website already 😕
halcyon falcon
Ok, then I'm blind sry guys, I'm on vacation in France, no notebook, only phone with mobile connection....
Just asking cause the Chinese (?) Guy is doing awesome Logs with that combination 🙈
hidden laurel
was wonderin if someone could help me...trying to sim relics in my bag compared to the ones in my weapon currently..is there a way to do it without puttin new relics in the weapon?
glossy garnet
@hidden laurel it is explained in the guide from Stjern
long field
Does anyone know if the sims for engine of eradication factor in picking up orbs?
feral crystal
They do according to aethys
long field
Okay cool
opaque sorrel
im not sure if raven sims are accurate or the ones im doing now are...im gettin a 915 umbral trinket simming 12k less than a 905 frond on single target
and on dummy tests its doing about 4% of my dmg so prob not that bad for st
opaque sorrel
What i meant was that i simmed both and then did some dummy tests to see if it was any close to reality
my umbral is simming 1.113.000 and frond is 1.115.000 patchwerk shoulder/wrists
so idk
4pc t19M
correction umbral: 1.103.000
as i said 12k
gonna clear heroic now with it will post logs after
iron obsidian
when u sim
u sim like 10,000+ iterations
10 dummy tests isnt really much to say anything
or however many dummy tests u did
opaque sorrel
emphasis on "any close to reality" didnt say it was 100% true
lucid plinth
Is there a way to sim a crafed ring with Specific stats before I buy?
idle phoenix
Anyone have the sims for sub legendaries?
regal agate
https://ravenholdt-tc.github.io/ (pinned in spec channels also)
idle phoenix
Thank you
past token
@lucid plinth http://www.wowhead.com/item=136713/shadowruby-band Select Version -> Feverflare / Harmonious / Peerless
each one of the bonus id's generated through that link will maximize the bigger stat however
lucid plinth
Yes I saw that, but.......oh ok that answers it
I saw a ring on ah with max mastery
min vers
past token
i believe that's harmonious
lucid plinth
I bought it anyway
past token
xd
lucid plinth
Same
merry cloud
?
round canyon
Glacial spike
merry cloud
I have no clue about mages
torn dome
There are no apl changes for mages recently. Just hotfixes on gs damage formula
strong rune
attn to all sub-rogue APL folks
i just fixed time_to_sht
so now you've got a condition that can predict how long until 50% likely for a sht (time_to_sht.4) or 100% like for a sht proc (time_to_sht.5)
please feel free to play around - this probably impacts @regal agate and maybe some other folks .
regal agate
nice ❤
merry cloud
@strong rune ty
strong rune
raidbots uses simc as the backend
torn dome
They are. Raidbots is just a mom behind with nightlies
maiden cargo
because it appears the GS changes are in raidbot but not in simc nightly
torn dome
For the reason above
maiden cargo
so that means newest simc changes are in raidbot first?
torn dome
No. Raidbots adapts nightlies a little delayed
So if you can use new nightly the moment its up its possibly not on raidbots yet
Usually ive found a few hours or so delay
maiden cargo
Yeah thats what I thought
Im surprised my mage told me chanegs were on raidbot only
torn dome
Raidbot just adapts newest sim and runs it for you
fallow wave
Why SpecterOfBetrayal simulates so good (82k+) on Outlaw and kinda bad on Assassination (65k+)?
willow badger
yo, guys. i bet this has been asked a thousand times but i'm looking for 7.2.5 trinket sims for subtlety rogue and can't find it anywhere.
tough dirge
check the pins
violet lantern
@split sorrel are you planing on making the tos trinket sim-tests as you did with T19 trinkets? 😃 cheers
split sorrel
already on the website @violet lantern
violet lantern
will check it out, thanks mate!
dense badger
I can't find an APL for the DfA burst build (holding SoD for DfA). does anyone know where I can find it?
merry cloud
not release ready
mighty pawn
@split sorrel I was trying out Ghostly Strike last night and your addon was telling me to do some wonky stuff, like refresh it with >8s remaining. Are you aware of any issues? Also, have you added in the 2pT20 buff for the rotation consideration?
fallow wave
@split sorrel Why SpecterOfBetrayal simulates so good (82k+) on Outlaw and kinda bad on Assassination (65k+)? Any idea why it benefits more outlaw?
split sorrel
@mighty pawn for CotD
@mighty pawn not sure for T20, I guess but I don't remember exactly
btw, that's not the right discord for addon support 😛
@fallow wave why not ?
Maybe the conditions aren't perfect for Assa, although I expect more trinket crit hit as outlaw than assa due to vanish cdr
fallow wave
Just curious since there's no secondary stats envolved and we have a big difference
split sorrel
so you think agility gives the same % dps increase for all 3 specs ? interesting
and if you think so, I guess it's the same for the wdps
south hull
regal agate
we have a TC site now(with simulations for almost everything), its in #announcements or pinned in the spec channels
small hull
Is the APL for Sub optimized on last SimC Nightly build ?
rose sphinx
Can anyone help me sim a relic, the ID is working but the bonsus for ilvl is not working and i can't figure out what i'm doing wrong
rose sphinx
Blood of the unworthy 920
I was trying to pull it from Wowhead becuz i don't know where else to pull the id from but it won't give the correct ilvl
long field
what's the line you currently have?
rose sphinx
[item=147080 bonus=1502:3561], i put it into simcraft as item=147080:bonus=1502:3561
http://www.wowhead.com/item=147080&bonus=1502:3561
relic_id=3516:1487:3528/3444:1487:3336/item=147080:bonus=3562:1497
long field
I think it's bonusid or bonus_id
Check a default Sim for the right one
bonus_id
try that
rose sphinx
tried that and it still didn't grab it but i'm wonder if i need to screw with it more so that's what i'm trying to do
my normal relic string looks like this: relic_id=3516:1487:3528/3444:1487:3336/3567:1672:3528
but importing the wowhead item i'm trying to figure out how it should look relic_id=3516:1487:3528/3444:1487:3336/[item=147080 bonus=1502:3561]
What i don't know is if there is somewhere else easier to import things from or an easier way for it to look through the local files for hte item... lol
long field
link me your entire weapon string
like the entire line for the weapon
and I'm pretty sure I can give you the format
I think it uses gem_id in the weapon or something like that to specify the relic
rose sphinx
normal weapon string: main_hand=,id=128870,bonus_id=741,relic_id=3516:1487:3528/3444:1487:3336/3567:1672:3528,gem_id=140822/140815/151499/0
off_hand=,id=128869,relic_id=0/0,gem_id=0/0/0/0
relic i want to impliment in the 3rd relic slot: [item=147080 bonus=1502:3561]
rose sphinx
ooh ok
rose sphinx
holy crap it finally work! you were right the gem id was screwing it up. Thank you so much!
long field
no problem
mint compass
does raidbots have variations on sims with the same stuff?
regal agate
you can open the html report on raidbots 😉
unkempt comet
I'm a bit confused about my stat weights, if I sim myself with heavy mastery the new pawn string will tell me to go heavy vers and then as soon as I rerun stat weights either after equipping the new gear or getting new pieces from raid it will flip flop. I'm not entirely sure what to do
and if I run the top gear sim on raidbots it sometimes tells me a completely different ring setup is best
livid geyser
Has anyone noticed Simc skipping (not counting) one of our weapon relics?
feral crystal
@unkempt comet stat weights are dynamic as you increase one stat the relative value of your other stats increase. In a perfect world you will have all the stats at the same value
maiden cargo
@torn dome in a situation where you get a BB proc without GS buff up, does the APL save up BB for next BtE?
Asssuming you have to wait for BtE to come offcd or have enough CP for it
sterile jolt
@split sorrel Do you think there will be any more iterations on the Exsang APL? Right now I'm seeing it quite close to TB in sim dps, however its opener seems to cap energy for 3-4s, also probably warrants a pandemic garrote application just prior to exsanguinating, similar to the rupture APL
torn dome
Doesnt save @maiden cargo
maiden cargo
Not saving gives better results?
torn dome
Dno. Havent tried
maiden cargo
!trinkets
lime iron
how is cradle of anguish for sub? cant find it on sims
solemn anvil
Has any testing been done on multiple Infernal Cinders in a raid group?
regal agate
the trinkte got nerfed for melees
gaunt gale
I believe there is a line you can insert into simc
To test the effect of multiple users
south roost
is 2p+2p good or should I just switch to 4 as soon as I get it
My tier 20 chest is 15 ivlls lower so I'm unsure about gains
sorry if this is a common question
regal agate
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last hill
I tried to sim my best gear in my bags on raidbots and it doesn't recognize the legendary helm as a legendary... Can I fix that somehow?
split sorrel
^ @tulip nest ^
tulip nest
@last hill What's the helm? And can you link the URL of your report?
last hill
It's The Empty Crown, and no not near my PC currently.
tulip nest
Looks like it might not be in my item database, I ran into some problems with the data import when 7.2.5 hit
I'll take a look later tonight when I'm back home
last hill
Oh, jk took a screen shot. https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/B1E7yYl4W
maiden cargo
Is raidbots accurate? I could run the 4 Bonus of t20 or both 2x t20 and 2x t19 but it recommends me to rather equip higher ilvl with BiS Stats
could someone help me figure out the best combination of equip? would be very grateful
split sorrel
raidbots is simc
maiden cargo
So its accurate? Seems really awkward to me that I wouldn't take either of the setbonuses
maiden cargo
Umbral 920 Moonglaves any good vs Convergence 890 and Nightblooming Frond ?
modest ravine
only one way to find out
rain ice
prisma lantern
any one know why the sin legendary head isnt included when using raidbots? cant select the item when i want to compare
maiden cargo
does anybody have sims of sub leggos?
urban saffron
Is there a way to sim the ring with talent?
urban saffron
It doesn't show all the talents though....?
maiden cargo
@merry cloud does mantle crit work with specter of betrayal?
maiden cargo
unkempt comet
Does the most current simcraft build execute using specter for sub correctly?
torn dome
Nightly yes
regal agate
you can use raidbots else it also has the latest changes in
unkempt comet
I was just curious cause raidbots said the 925 specter was like 27kish up from my 915 frond
regal agate
ye we improved the trinket usage for specter/moonglaive
unkempt comet
Ok cool 😃 tyvm
Our unholy dk told us it was 100k upgrade for him and then someone simmed him and it was like 35k increase and now the loot councils pretty irritated with him
so I was just curious about whether or not it was being used correctly 😃 ANYHOW thanks guys
maiden cargo
is the outlaw APL using CotD before specter when possible for the 10%dmg increase?
regal agate
no (but feel free to change the apl line and share results)
dense badger
With the improved trinket usage: is umbral glaive still "bad"?
torn dome
On pure st its weaker than sob
regal agate
sims will update soon, so just wait abit 😉
torn dome
Simc wiki has a lot of info and guidelines
regal agate
actions.cds+=/use_item,name=specter_of_betrayal,if=buff.bloodlust.react|target.time_to_die<=20|combo_points.deficit<=2
is the current condition, you can adjust it to your needs
umbral crag
is there a way to sim specter with only one ghost hitting the boss at every use? for bosse like sister of the moon etc.
merry cloud
@maiden cargo at least it's not broken as for Sub rogues
maiden cargo
jaeed and riff hate me now cause I said sub should be nerfed feelsbadman
@umbral crag i recommand another trinket than specter for this boss unless you're playing sub
umbral crag
okay thanks. I'm playing sub, so the trinket should be fine even if not every specter hits the boss
maiden cargo
maybe, ask fuu
regal agate
spectre is huge if every clone hits, current simulations(on the tc site) assume alot lower power lvl of the trinket, this means even if you cant abuse it as mutch it will still offers quite good value
umbral crag
great, thanks for the help
dapper pollen
Can anyone help me? Im new to Rogue and a bit confused. If i sim my statweights with my current gear myself the stats are something like "Agi>Vers=Crit=Mastery>>Haste" if i sim myself with raidbots, haste more than twice as high than in my own sims
split sorrel
probably different settings 😃
royal laurel
it depends which version you are using raidbots seems to use APLs that are already updated while your simc build could be outdated. APLs are being worked on and things can change
split sorrel
raidbots uses simc
dapper pollen
raidbots and my simcraft are both nightly build 725-1
royal laurel
all I can tell is that I noticed my haste going up by almost 50% in yesterdays simcraft build (sub)
split sorrel
if u play DfA
royal laurel
compared to tuesday
split sorrel
that's understandable
dapper pollen
Actually got MfD in simulations, what should i rely on for now? most guides say aswell that haste is a really bad stat
dapper pollen
i actually only got 5% haste, maybe thats why it sims so high
royal laurel
5% is pretty high
this is just my opinion but in your case I would stick to mastery for now
main rivet
hey having some issues with simc anyone around who knows a little about it?
boreal patrol
what's wrong, @main rivet?
main rivet
its only for sub spec ive tried other specs and other characters and it works fine but its reading my weps as 50 ilvls lower than what it is.
tried installing too. its really weird used simc all expac and never had this happen lol
boreal patrol
can I have your report? also make sure it's not just the toolitp that shows wrong data but that the values in table are right
main rivet
yeah the table data is wrong. never had to link a report tho, best way to do that?
boreal patrol
your simc results tab should have a save button, you can send that html file to me
naive summit
is there a new sub apl live on raidbots or does someone have the string here?
boreal patrol
raidbots nightly has it
naive summit
ok coo
odd sedge
I wonder whats causing the disconnect between sims saying mfd is better and in game its all dfa
unless everyone just tends to play dfa by default and then not enough mfd samples / good parses
dense badger
DfA is still simming better on cleave. MfD is pulling ahead ST though
Although I thought deepening shadows would be better than dark shadows, but it isn't the case for me at least. (For MfD)
agile sky
Is there a way to sim specific crafted items on Raidbots using gear compare? i.e. Shadowruby Band of the Harmonius vs Shadowruby Band of the Feverflare?
From what I can find, there no option to choose what affix it sims.
regal agate
you can add gearsets and set items for them
agile sky
I think I may have worded it poorly. There is a Shadowruby band that you can search for, but you can't choose if it sims harmonius or feverflare.
agile sky
Let's do this: I've got a Spellblade's Gemmed Signet equipped, and would like to sim it against a Shadowruby band of the Harmonius, however on the raidbots website there's only the base shadowruby band, without the Harmonius affix. I am wondering if there's a way to specify which affix it sims.
If I remember correctly it's possible with the SimC application, by grabbing item IDs from Wowhead.
Harmonius would be: shadowruby-band&bonus=689:1537:3358
While Feverflare would be: shadowruby-band&bonus=689:1537:3355 (just adjusted to simc terms.)
regal agate
hmm
pure sluice
is raidbot updated ?
regal agate
yes
dense badger
Anyone know if there's a way to sim satyr vs traiend soldier enchantsi n raidbots?
nvm, foudn that you can choose enchants under gear checker
maiden cargo
how much can i trust it if i scale in simcraft and import the string to pawn?
i mean is it accurate what gear to use or?
half condor
Do you have an equally or more credible source at hand?
If no then it probably is the most accurate way to tell which pjece of gear is best for you
civic cradle
anyone know if engine of eradication sim picks up the orbs or not?
strong rune
yes, it does
thin spire
guys, is there a guide on how to modified the apl?
split sorrel
wiki
civic cradle
@strong rune Thanks
thin spire
i see in the current apl that MfD is recasted at 26 sec ( on single target fight) that means i need a 14 sec pull? 😛
boreal patrol
you can use it up to 38s before pull
basically you can just use it with ready check
or right when the timer starts
uneven zealot
I saw that raidbots had a realy esay way to sim relic( i mean esay to select), is there something for simcraft so i dont have to wait for raidbot que ?
split sorrel
Simpermut
maiden cargo
I'm trying to change the line for Specter of Betrayal, so that it would be holding the trinket on a range of 11seconds to enventually line up with CotD or Vanish, knowing that it could be used at any time during the 12seconds of CotD and the 6seconds of Mantle crit window
But i'm really confused about the way I would write this down
strong rune
the warrior documentation has the answers
hmm maybe not.
what exactly are you trying to constrain?
something like use_item specter of betrayal if curse is up or vanish is up?
maiden cargo
no, this would be a waste as you would not be able to get the second proc of the trinket when using it on the previous shadow
it would be a delay on the trinket's usage, but not holding it more than 11seconds (12seconds if pure mathematics) seems like the maximum value to not lose the double proc
let's say you have vanish coming up in 6seconds you would hold the trinket for post vanish usage
but if the trinket is up and vanish comes back in 13seconds you dont delay the trinket
supple timber
