#tc-research | Ravenholdt | Page 24

blazing jay Jun 7, 2017, 8:05 PM

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any sims from ptr?

regal agate Jun 7, 2017, 8:13 PM

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#tc-updates or pinned in the spec channels

bleak sky Jun 7, 2017, 11:47 PM

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Anyone use the cmdl version of simc?

tight trench Jun 8, 2017, 3:24 AM

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Are there any 7.2.5 Sims out?

cyan marsh Jun 8, 2017, 3:31 AM

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check pin

nova girder Jun 8, 2017, 6:17 AM

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short Q: if i wanna SIM an Item without seaching ID etc, how would i do that? oh an d withe Raidbots. just write "feet=felscape_pathfinders, ilvl=920"?

torn dome Jun 8, 2017, 6:18 AM

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Ilevel=xxx

nova girder Jun 8, 2017, 6:18 AM

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thx @torn dome

torn dome Jun 8, 2017, 6:23 AM

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@nova girder also works for relics. After the usual line add
,relic_ilevel=905/0/0"

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Or what ever you want to set your relics to

nova girder Jun 8, 2017, 6:25 AM

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hm doesnt work for me, typed: "waist=cinch_of_sizzling_flesh,Ilevel=915" but in the results tab this item is golden with no stats

torn dome Jun 8, 2017, 6:25 AM

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You have to give item id. Name doesnt do it

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Aka waist=16484,ilevel=920

nova girder Jun 8, 2017, 6:26 AM

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oopsi^^

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ty again 😃

trim lichen Jun 8, 2017, 6:45 AM

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Hello guys!! I'm new and I wanted to ask a question!

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I'm getting into the simulationcraft and simming stats, and I wanted to clear a doubt, once I have simmed my pg, and put the stat string into pawn to compare items, when I do find a better piece of gear and equip it, should I afterwards resim my pg with the new gear choice???

proper cairn Jun 8, 2017, 6:50 AM

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yes

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but if you replace only one piece new values won't be that different

trim lichen Jun 8, 2017, 6:57 AM

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still even if I replace onlly one piece there's no harm in resimming for a new pawn string right?

proper cairn Jun 8, 2017, 7:03 AM

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it's very good if you do it

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shows dedication to the character 😃

trim lichen Jun 8, 2017, 7:06 AM

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nicee! Thx for the tips

quasi swallow Jun 8, 2017, 3:02 PM

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is there a simcraft build for 7.2.5 that i can download or how is everyone seemingly able to sim their 7.2.5 dps?

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or am i just missing something

gaunt gale Jun 8, 2017, 3:03 PM

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There's an option in options that lets you select PTR. Make sure you are using the latest nightly.

quasi swallow Jun 8, 2017, 3:03 PM

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shit, i didnt think to look there. I figured it would be a whole different build, thank you very much

floral thistle Jun 8, 2017, 8:01 PM

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have there been trinket sims released with the ToS trinkets?

spare socket Jun 8, 2017, 8:21 PM

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playing env shadows ..is it possible to have close to 100% uptime on 1 stack of SD, or do u have alot of downtime ?

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PTR has 1 sec latency for me

graceful tundra Jun 8, 2017, 10:01 PM

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Is the current "Live" version on the newest Simcraft update the 7.2.5 patch?

trim lichen Jun 8, 2017, 10:03 PM

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When I sim my pg should I sim it without taking into account the trinkets?? And if I should, how can I leave them out of the simulation??

graceful tundra Jun 8, 2017, 10:07 PM

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Someone able to tell me how suddenly my simulations are pretty much even while last time I did it SnD live went up by 100k to PTR and RtB went down 60k on PTR compared to Live?

azure fractal Jun 9, 2017, 1:05 AM

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does anyone found a Set Bonus Power Rankings for T20 ? Something like this T19post : https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/5lly8k/nighthold_t19_set_bonus_power_rankings/

Nighthold T19 Set Bonus Power Rankings • r/wow

**EDIT: Spreadsheet has been updated to the latest simc build as of 2017-01-17. Please take raw numbers with a grain of salt and focus on...

ancient carbon Jun 9, 2017, 4:04 AM

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how do u use geroic gear in ptr?

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heroic

storm spoke Jun 9, 2017, 10:19 AM

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What do you mean Tair? Sim heroic ToS gear you mean?

maiden cargo Jun 9, 2017, 12:23 PM

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so, guys. are there any trinkets lists, rergarding ToS loot table?

sinful heart Jun 9, 2017, 4:28 PM

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I saw a good doc for single target 7.2.5, does anyone know of an aoe comparison for the 3 specs?

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For 7.2.5

regal agate Jun 9, 2017, 5:15 PM

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all public ressources are pinned(or linked in #tc-updates ), the best we can offer you (for now) is to download the latest nightly build of simcraft from http://goo.gl/AsZkjr and run a simulation for the scenario of your choice.

woven terrace Jun 9, 2017, 5:26 PM

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do we have any idea on what the best spec will be in 7.2.5?

raw knoll Jun 9, 2017, 5:31 PM

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Is there an easy way to set the artifact to 52 traits? Two of the three specs are at concordance and I'm looking to see what my current gear sims on the PTR if all three were at 52 traits.

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@woven terrace no. Look at the pinned msg in any of the specs and it will take you to a google doc that has a lot of different sims done.

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Just because it's best right now doesn't mean it will be at mythic launch or 3 weeks into mythic.

torn dome Jun 9, 2017, 5:33 PM

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artifact trait strings are on wowhead

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go to tools > artifact calculator > weapon you want
spend points you want > click string

raw knoll Jun 9, 2017, 5:34 PM

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So just manually up them all to 4 and add in conc?

torn dome Jun 9, 2017, 5:34 PM

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Yeah, then copy the string to simc

raw knoll Jun 9, 2017, 5:35 PM

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Ok. Easy enough. Thanks @torn dome

fair mulch Jun 9, 2017, 5:59 PM

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£ deleted

tropic void Jun 9, 2017, 6:14 PM

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Any sims to show what spec will be the most viable as of todays notes ?

split sorrel Jun 9, 2017, 6:17 PM

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see what I've just posted in #tc-updates 😉

torn marsh Jun 9, 2017, 6:36 PM

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is there a way to dl simcraft with 7.2.5?

regal agate Jun 9, 2017, 6:44 PM

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you can download the latest nightly and change the version to ptr all changes are in

torn marsh Jun 9, 2017, 6:44 PM

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oh thanks

wintry garden Jun 9, 2017, 7:03 PM

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The new sims out yet?

regal agate Jun 9, 2017, 7:04 PM

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yes pinned in the spec channel or posted in #tc-updates

wintry garden Jun 9, 2017, 7:05 PM

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ty

umbral tapir Jun 9, 2017, 9:00 PM

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is it possible to get the simcraft profile u used on ptr sims?

manic pulsar Jun 9, 2017, 9:10 PM

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Hey folks, I have a 7.2.5 version available now on the AMR simulator. Just make sure to set your Version before you run your simulation. I made a quick first pass at rotation updates, but they are certainly far from finished.

vagrant quail Jun 9, 2017, 9:16 PM

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sorry buddy put its not up for date

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need to have the t20 nerfs

manic pulsar Jun 9, 2017, 9:33 PM

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the tooltips on the items and spells don't reflect the latest PTR data in the simulator, not sure why. But, the actual spell implementations in the simulator reflect the latest. I think I need to reverse the 2P and 4P for sub though.

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I think we get the tooltips from wowdb and it must be pointing to live.

woeful steeple Jun 10, 2017, 12:59 AM

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based on raw output what is the best spec for ToS atm?

tender junco Jun 10, 2017, 1:03 AM

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Apologies but the sims linked in each channel's pins isn't loading

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It gets to about 95% and hangs

orchid flame Jun 10, 2017, 1:07 AM

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i just loaded it, @tender junco

tender junco Jun 10, 2017, 1:14 AM

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yep fixed it

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cache needed clearing

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ty tho

maiden cargo Jun 10, 2017, 2:49 AM

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!help

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!sim

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!rip

late tree Jun 10, 2017, 3:21 AM

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!sim

rare fog Jun 10, 2017, 3:23 AM

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just curious but has anyone tested the three specs in PTR to see which will pull ahead in ToS?

ruby pine Jun 10, 2017, 4:24 AM

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!sim

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so sub i s simming at the top?

lament chasm Jun 10, 2017, 4:48 AM

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!sim

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sry, new to this. how do i check out the sims?

heavy moon Jun 10, 2017, 4:53 AM

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@lament chasm pins in spec channels

lament chasm Jun 10, 2017, 4:54 AM

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tyvm

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ok, i found the link. However, they are for slightly earlier build(s)

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nothing concrete yet is what im to discern?

long hull Jun 10, 2017, 5:07 AM

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there is nothing changed for sub in latest build, for other specs its latest

cerulean bolt Jun 10, 2017, 5:10 AM

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when im simming should i have Center Scale Delta set to yes or no?

gaunt gale Jun 10, 2017, 5:14 AM

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probably doesn't matter all that much for rogues, because as far as I'm aware, we don't really have any breakpoints

civic cradle Jun 10, 2017, 9:33 AM

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hi guys what's the go-to spec for 7.2.5

maiden cargo Jun 10, 2017, 9:51 AM

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sub

rustic tundra Jun 10, 2017, 11:13 AM

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arms warr

maiden cargo Jun 10, 2017, 11:21 AM

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!sim

graceful tundra Jun 10, 2017, 11:39 AM

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With the newest update to SimC, is it normal that my SimDPS in RtB dropped 70k?

boreal patrol Jun 10, 2017, 11:41 AM

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is "the newest" update the nightly tagged as 725?

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in that case, please don't use it atm and wait for the next build, this one is not working correctly for rogues

graceful tundra Jun 10, 2017, 11:45 AM

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It's the nightlly Simcraft one that has been updated today

obtuse python Jun 10, 2017, 11:48 AM

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so how accurate is simc atm for rogues?

ruby pine Jun 10, 2017, 12:28 PM

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!relic

maiden cargo Jun 10, 2017, 1:41 PM

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hmm, newest nightly doesnt have ptr option. Is the nightly already updated for 7.2.5?

meager orchid Jun 10, 2017, 2:09 PM

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guys, outlaw still best 7.2.5. as it seems amirite?

late tree Jun 10, 2017, 2:12 PM

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WHATS META SOMEONE PLEASE ANSWER ME

wary wolf Jun 10, 2017, 2:12 PM

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Demonhunter Skill

boreal patrol Jun 10, 2017, 2:44 PM

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FYI: latest nightly should be fine again (simc-725-01-win64-2f9857b)

gray rose Jun 10, 2017, 3:05 PM

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anyone help me out try to run this sim using the prt changes and it keeps throwing an error for me cant figure it out

📎 unknown.png

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nvm

regal agate Jun 10, 2017, 3:06 PM

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download the latest nightly and dont use ptr = 1

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😉

obtuse python Jun 10, 2017, 3:08 PM

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excited for the numbers now 😃

brazen prawn Jun 10, 2017, 4:16 PM

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!relics

civic kestrel Jun 10, 2017, 4:25 PM

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how do you set an item slot to empty?

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just blank after = ?

regal agate Jun 10, 2017, 4:27 PM

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like that:
trinket2=empty

civic kestrel Jun 10, 2017, 4:28 PM

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ty

tough dirge Jun 10, 2017, 4:45 PM

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Or just not list the slot at all

sonic orbit Jun 10, 2017, 6:34 PM

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sin thread is chaos atm.... Simple question: is toxic blades going to be the new go to or are we going back to a bleed based dps?

finite thunder Jun 10, 2017, 7:38 PM

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TB is already better, and since exsanguinte has scalling problems, TB will be even better with more gear

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you can check the sims, its pinned

gray flume Jun 10, 2017, 7:38 PM

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@sonic orbit There answer is most likely a blend of (as always) sim yourself and/or we don't know yet. But based off the preliminary sims that I've seen put together, it seems that the higher sims all include Toxic Blade selection initially (w/ T19 gear)

civic kestrel Jun 10, 2017, 7:42 PM

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does the "copy=" command copy the settings for the sim above it? ie, can i use one spec=outlaw, then do multiple copy after, then do spec=subtlety and do multiple copies after that?

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yep it worked

compact viper Jun 10, 2017, 7:50 PM

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Does Anyone have a spreadsheet for 7.2 trinkets?

sonic orbit Jun 10, 2017, 8:10 PM

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@gray flume cheers mate!

civic kestrel Jun 10, 2017, 8:16 PM

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current gear ptr 7.2.5 races, no bracers for outlaw

📎 170610_races.PNG

gusty wren Jun 10, 2017, 8:54 PM

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does anyone have a list of the proper bonus ids for ilvl or know where i can find the proper bonus ids because the ones on wowhead are completely wrong

lunar trout Jun 10, 2017, 9:11 PM

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I just generate the strings using raidbots.com @gusty wren - you can expand "Show SimC Input" at the bottom of the Gear Compare view and copy from there. 😃

fervent inlet Jun 10, 2017, 10:59 PM

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@civic kestrel that horde hate

civic kestrel Jun 10, 2017, 10:59 PM

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only simming the good guys

fervent inlet Jun 10, 2017, 11:00 PM

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well than those are the wrong results 😉

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i guess , horde side will be something like orc pandaren in sub

maiden cargo Jun 10, 2017, 11:10 PM

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How do I sim my character?

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!sim na/TheScryers/Varisaar -s

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I don't think I did that correctly

odd sedge Jun 10, 2017, 11:15 PM

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there is a channel for that #bot-spam

maiden cargo Jun 10, 2017, 11:16 PM

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Did I get the command correct atleast?

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I can't exactly get Simcraft working easily as I run on Linux, so if I can get a bot here to do it for me that'd be great

nova girder Jun 10, 2017, 11:21 PM

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Im missing a line in the assas apl, under cooldown section. So it wont vanish after 6 sec if specct into NS. It vanishes after 15 sec. So if i copy the subterfuge line and set it to nightstalker its a 3kish gain for me. Any thoughts?

granite gust Jun 11, 2017, 2:54 AM

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@civic kestrel no belf?

gaunt gale Jun 11, 2017, 3:05 AM

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"only simming the good guys"

hollow bone Jun 11, 2017, 3:05 AM

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what is ever1 using for M+ tyrannical? boots/shoulders?

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looking to improve boss shred

gaunt gale Jun 11, 2017, 3:05 AM

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Almost certainly the wrong channel @hollow bone

hollow bone Jun 11, 2017, 3:06 AM

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whats current discussion here?

rich temple Jun 11, 2017, 3:21 AM

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simulation channel, try one of the spec channels like #assassination or whatever spec you play

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@hollow bone

gray flume Jun 11, 2017, 5:28 AM

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has anyone had trouble using the raidbots ptr sim for sub today?

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It keeps stalling at 0% for me

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Does not seem to matter whether I have "PTR" simulation selected or not. Just changes the output.

gaunt gale Jun 11, 2017, 5:45 AM

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I think there was something broken for sub in one of the recent nightlies, might not have updated in raidbots yet?

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mine is now working @gray flume , if that helps?

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likely because their simc nightly just got updated 😃

ruby pine Jun 11, 2017, 6:35 AM

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What are !sims

civic kestrel Jun 11, 2017, 6:53 AM

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anyone got a raid event string for something like spellblade/guldan?

nova girder Jun 11, 2017, 10:10 AM

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so i DLed the latest nightly and tried so SIM my toon... if im specced into NS and have Mantle then in the sample sequence table shows it will cast vanish 2,5 secs after pull. thats wierd cause mantle buff is still up. if i secc subter or DS then it would cast vanish 7 secs after the pull... dont think this works as intended

regal agate Jun 11, 2017, 10:23 AM

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latest nightly? if yes can you link the report?

nova girder Jun 11, 2017, 10:25 AM

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how?^^

limpid orbit Jun 11, 2017, 10:27 AM

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hey simcraft told me in the results "SimulationCraft has not been built with PTR data. The 'ptr=' option is ignored." what did i wrong? its the nightly build

gaunt gale Jun 11, 2017, 10:28 AM

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They've moved the latest nightly to 7.2.5 by default. No PTR needed.

limpid orbit Jun 11, 2017, 10:28 AM

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well thank you m8

nova girder Jun 11, 2017, 10:30 AM

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this works?

📎 NS_Vigor_results_html.html

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@regal agate here we go

regal agate Jun 11, 2017, 10:31 AM

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725 version dont need ptr yes

proper cairn Jun 11, 2017, 10:31 AM

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lol that vanish

hardy frost Jun 11, 2017, 10:52 AM

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hey guys, where can I find 7.2.5 simulations for all specs?

proper cairn Jun 11, 2017, 10:56 AM

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pinned every spec channel

hardy frost Jun 11, 2017, 11:14 AM

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thanks

civic kestrel Jun 11, 2017, 11:32 AM

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if i set fight_style within a copy, does that screw over the following copies? like
copy="1"
fight_style=patchwerk
talents=12111121
copy="2"
fight_style=helterskelter
talents=33111113

gaunt gale Jun 11, 2017, 11:37 AM

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shou;dn't?

civic kestrel Jun 11, 2017, 11:53 AM

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im seeing some weird results if i try to do it like that

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gonna try again

regal agate Jun 11, 2017, 12:03 PM

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doesent work, it seems to set the fight setting from a certain fight. the only thing you should keep in mind is that if you compare gear you need to keep track of the gear you switch. e.g. if you

copy=new_head
head=xxx....
copy=new_neck
neck=xxx

you will have the new head and neck in the neck simulation.
@civic kestrel

civic kestrel Jun 11, 2017, 12:04 PM

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yea

boreal patrol Jun 11, 2017, 12:04 PM

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fight_style is a global option, i don't think it works setting it within profiles

civic kestrel Jun 11, 2017, 12:04 PM

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im only changing talents and fightstyle

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anyway to make it local or something?

boreal patrol Jun 11, 2017, 12:04 PM

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not that i know of, you'll have to run multiple simulations

civic kestrel Jun 11, 2017, 12:06 PM

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alright have to that way then

regal agate Jun 11, 2017, 12:06 PM

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@nova girder thats an issue in the apl will likely get changed soon

nova girder Jun 11, 2017, 12:40 PM

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Hopfully things like that help to improve

regal agate Jun 11, 2017, 3:39 PM

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Simulation Tools:
SimCraft(download): http://goo.gl/AsZkjr
Raidbots: https://www.raidbots.com/
Simbot: #bot-spam instructions are pinned
Simc Addon: https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/simulationcraft
IDtip: https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/idtip (useful to find spell id's in game)

Simulation Guides:
How to sim: http://www.ravenholdt.net/sim-yourself/
Simc APL wiki: https://goo.gl/BnMuag

Simulationcraft Changes:
Simc Commits: https://github.com/simulationcraft/simc/commits/midnight/

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brittle wigeon Jun 11, 2017, 10:58 PM

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@civic kestrel do you have a race sim pic for horde side?

late tree Jun 12, 2017, 1:16 AM

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meta come tuesday?

fluid widget Jun 12, 2017, 3:21 AM

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Hi guys, how true is this simcraft, I am confused by the placement of talent in sub and assasination, can you believe this simcraft, but rather on the fact that sub is stronger in solotarget than assasination?
https://simc.mystler.eu/rogue_725.html

civic kestrel Jun 12, 2017, 5:36 AM

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📎 170612-ptr-races-pw.png

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@brittle wigeon there you go

manic oracle Jun 12, 2017, 7:11 AM

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hey guys, just made a sheet on relics for assa and sub for myself&friends, figured out i'd share it with you, if you want to take a look and maybe give me some useful feedback etc - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1RXg1dWsg6yVvwesmRsJimYlc-ZzLcxCj6TseA5aKoZQ/ (tab #1) (upd: added outlaw too.)

Google Docs

Exorsus rogues hall

Traits

sub gear
12. 06. 2017, head=, id= 138332, bonus_id= 0, ilevel= 925
neck=, id= 140894, enchant_id= 5439, bonus_id= 0, ilevel= 925
shoulder=, id= 144236, enchant_id= 5883, bonus_id= 3459/ 3530
( Pawn: v1:" sub": Class= Rogue, Spec= Subtlety, Agility= 24. 08, CritRating= 20. 06, HasteRat...

proper cairn Jun 12, 2017, 7:56 AM

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MA is new best relic ?

maiden cargo Jun 12, 2017, 8:01 AM

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well first of all thank you for this

craggy frigate Jun 12, 2017, 8:02 AM

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MA always was the best, the question was how much of this relics we want

proper cairn Jun 12, 2017, 8:02 AM

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indeed awesome job

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Alchemist not assassin, read the file

hexed helm Jun 12, 2017, 8:03 AM

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Hey guys, Do you know where I can find a simcraft for 7.2.5 for ALL dps classes?

craggy frigate Jun 12, 2017, 8:03 AM

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they are both MA, nm =)
yeah, it wasnt a surprice if u saw the dmg of poisons at ptr

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we've found out that it almost equal to Vendetta trait

maiden cargo Jun 12, 2017, 8:04 AM

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well this is pretty sweet since now you can fish for 2 relic traits

craggy frigate Jun 12, 2017, 8:04 AM

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but as u see, simulations was 2 Vendetta relics + X relic

maiden cargo Jun 12, 2017, 8:04 AM

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instead of farming brh and votw

craggy frigate Jun 12, 2017, 8:05 AM

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and the last sting is with 3 poison relics

proper cairn Jun 12, 2017, 8:08 AM

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yeah pretty awesome

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need to farm M+ 😃

maiden cargo Jun 12, 2017, 8:08 AM

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nurseos is there any way you change the boss names in the second tab to english names? 😄

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i mean A2:A10

craggy frigate Jun 12, 2017, 8:08 AM

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we'll do

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actually, we didnt plan to share this doc at first 😄

maiden cargo Jun 12, 2017, 8:09 AM

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😄

craggy frigate Jun 12, 2017, 8:10 AM

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so there lots of russian letters, so i'll fix it and make it more comfortable in a few days

hexed helm Jun 12, 2017, 8:10 AM

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Hey guys, Do you know where I can find a simcraft for 7.2.5 for ALL dps classes?

maiden cargo Jun 12, 2017, 8:10 AM

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no hurry

proper cairn Jun 12, 2017, 8:11 AM

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mmm Poisons relic do not drop in M+ ? odd

craggy frigate Jun 12, 2017, 8:12 AM

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CoeN

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shadow

proper cairn Jun 12, 2017, 8:12 AM

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aye domatrax

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blood for domatrax, and shadow for meph

craggy frigate Jun 12, 2017, 8:12 AM

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actually u have a guldan

proper cairn Jun 12, 2017, 8:16 AM

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and kara opera for iron, kara attumen for shadow

hexed helm Jun 12, 2017, 8:26 AM

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Hey guys, Do you know where I can find a simcraft for 7.2.5 for ALL dps classes?

ruby pine Jun 12, 2017, 8:45 AM

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!simc

vivid lagoon Jun 12, 2017, 8:45 AM

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@manic oracle there is no relic for "etched in shadow" in ur spreadsheet

manic oracle Jun 12, 2017, 8:50 AM

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@vivid lagoon It got changed with another trait, 'Weak Point'

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there is no such trait any more

vivid lagoon Jun 12, 2017, 8:52 AM

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ah, ok

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mb then

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because its still in the loottable for tos as echted in shadow

manic oracle Jun 12, 2017, 8:54 AM

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Only on live client probably

night stream Jun 12, 2017, 9:16 AM

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Orc is now best for horde in all specs...??? I thought Belf was!

eternal oracle Jun 12, 2017, 9:32 AM

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!simc

lime iron Jun 12, 2017, 10:57 AM

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correct me if im wrong. the exorsus spreadsheet says that outlaw is doing nearly the same dps like subtlety? (base dps)

craggy frigate Jun 12, 2017, 11:06 AM

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that actualy sims say so

split sorrel Jun 12, 2017, 11:31 AM

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Don't forget the context 😉 And hi Nurseos 😃

civic kestrel Jun 12, 2017, 11:33 AM

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^ papa bless

craggy frigate Jun 12, 2017, 11:35 AM

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Hey

torn dome Jun 12, 2017, 11:37 AM

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Have you tried the values without cof? As cof in its current state screams for a nerf

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Other thsn that solid looking and visually nice. Especislly the relic drop list with numerized relics. People will ask that daily

craggy frigate Jun 12, 2017, 11:47 AM

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ask @manic oracle when he will get up, all math is on him. As i can remember he did some sims about assa comparing 3 Master Assassin relics with and without CoF and sims were almost the same

torn dome Jun 12, 2017, 11:52 AM

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Im mainly thinking about outlaw and sub. Assa doesnt really care for cod too much. But outlaw and sub are very reliant on it. And so are the sb relics depending on cof wrists synergy

split sorrel Jun 12, 2017, 12:15 PM

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CoF is what makes Bracers strong as Sub

craggy frigate Jun 12, 2017, 12:17 PM

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manic pulsar Jun 12, 2017, 12:21 PM

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The value of CoF is heavily dependent on fight length for such a long cooldown spell though.

split sorrel Jun 12, 2017, 12:23 PM

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Last time I checked (< 7.2.5), the uptime of Shadow Blades was around 60%.
With more gear and the PTR changes, I expect it to be bigger (depending on talents setup tho).

craggy frigate Jun 12, 2017, 12:23 PM

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at progression there will be no very short fights anyway

manic pulsar Jun 12, 2017, 12:24 PM

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It is certainly better on average for longer fights, but you still see discrete intervals of fight length where it spikes in power.

split sorrel Jun 12, 2017, 12:25 PM

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But considering you cannot predict accurately a fight length, especially when you have some randoms mecanics that put you of melee range (and then making the extend shorter), it's likely impossible to "judge on the fly" what would have been the best choice. Overall it's a good choice.

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You can be unlucky and get every icy ejection (I think it's the right name ? the ice debuff on Etraeus), or get none.

manic pulsar Jun 12, 2017, 12:28 PM

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You could say the exact opposite too, right? You have no way to guess the actual fight length, so overall it's an average choice? To be conservative we should find an average case fight length to base the simulations and estimates on.

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Have we checked if 300 seconds is particularly good or bad for it?

split sorrel Jun 12, 2017, 12:31 PM

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It varies over the raid, I guess.

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That's why I always say about "simulations" to no forget "the context".

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Context includes fight length but not only.

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The gear, the talent, the type of fight, the APL, the patch, etc...

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A lot of parameters to take in account.

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It's the same as starting hypothesis (not sure it's the right english translation) for any scientific research. It's always based on something at the start, and if this start is not valid anymore, then the whole development might became false.

manic pulsar Jun 12, 2017, 12:37 PM

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Agreed. But we base our estimates off something. I think for CoF we want to find the amount of fight length you need to add to get an extra SB. Say, we want to base sims on 300 seconds. We want to make sure that we vary the fight length such that the number of iterations that get an extra use is the same as those that don't. This gives us a bettter idea of the value for the trinket. Most likely, 300 seconds doesn't fall exactly in between a "breakpoint". So we could be over estimating it or the opposite. We haven't done that analysis yet.

split sorrel Jun 12, 2017, 12:39 PM

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This is not the only parameter tho, considering the cp generation is different based on your number of ShD available/usable during the buff

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And also based on the number of targets due to Shuriken Storm cp generation mecanic

manic pulsar Jun 12, 2017, 12:48 PM

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We would have to find a fight length to use for each boss script. We could also increase the fight length variance to help with this. I might be able to set up a learner in AMR that does a few iterations to start and find the correct fight length, then do the overall simulation at the correct length for average results.

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Could probably find the right fight length to use in a couple hundred iterations.

split sorrel Jun 12, 2017, 12:58 PM

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Considering a patchwerk fight, it'll almost looks like a trigonometric function aka cosinus

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Since it's kinda "cyclic".

merry cloud Jun 12, 2017, 1:09 PM

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@craggy frigate @manic oracle what reroll logic was used for outlaw?

dry marsh Jun 12, 2017, 2:28 PM

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how do I change my spec on the nightly build...example: I imported my character and my build and my talent line looks like this:
talents=http://us.battle.net/wow/en/tool/talent-calculator#ca!0020000
Does anyone know how to decipher that number at the end?

gaunt gale Jun 12, 2017, 2:29 PM

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easier to delete the URL and just put in 1121312 etc

merry cloud Jun 12, 2017, 2:29 PM

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first number - first row. Number is a talent from left to right. Starts with 0

dry marsh Jun 12, 2017, 2:29 PM

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okay

merry cloud Jun 12, 2017, 2:29 PM

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so that would be "pick nothing and rightmost talent in row 3 from top"

dry marsh Jun 12, 2017, 2:29 PM

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so it is that easy

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thank you all

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it's "talents=1121312" right?

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you have to have the "talents="

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or no?

merry cloud Jun 12, 2017, 2:30 PM

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yes

dry marsh Jun 12, 2017, 2:30 PM

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thank you

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you guys rock

merry cloud Jun 12, 2017, 2:30 PM

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simc starts with 1 for each talent

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blizz cal with 0

dry marsh Jun 12, 2017, 2:30 PM

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ahhh

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that makes sense

merry cloud Jun 12, 2017, 2:31 PM

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if you put 0 in simc it will pick nothing in that row

manic oracle Jun 12, 2017, 4:00 PM

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@merry cloud hi, i actually never looked at the apl while making that, that was made spontaneously and i don't mind rerunning such things once we settle on some things like optimal reroll logic or whatever is going to be improved in the apl over the next week; i just used some setups i personally wanted to do (CoF every spec, 2ma base relics for assa, etc, the gear is on the right)

merry cloud Jun 12, 2017, 4:02 PM

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I just wonder if you used what we currently believe to be optimal or invented something else

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default APL should reroll only if one has 1 buff and loaded dice up

manic oracle Jun 12, 2017, 4:03 PM

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Was using the default one, so i think it is the case then

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@torn dome that asks your question partially, while i don't mind making a sheet with other starting conditions, i firstly made it for myself and actually thought it won't get any attention 😮 and one more thing is that what i believe is that cof is not doing much difference for relics except for boosting shadowblade ones probably, maybe i'm wrong on that though

torn dome Jun 12, 2017, 4:10 PM

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Its cool. General masses like to see sheets like this. ^^ SB are maybe the only real outliers. Im just mainly in it for the relative power level of the specs as to what people want to go for in tos.

split sorrel Jun 12, 2017, 4:29 PM

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@manic oracle u're the spreadsheet maker right ?

manic oracle Jun 12, 2017, 4:49 PM

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Yes

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sorry was away @split sorrel

split sorrel Jun 12, 2017, 4:52 PM

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Okay, is everything automated ?

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Because there will be some changes coming into SimC (and prolly some Blizzard changes aswell), so you'll have to update it again ^^

manic oracle Jun 12, 2017, 4:56 PM

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It is semi automated 😃 Not a big deal for me to rerun

split sorrel Jun 12, 2017, 4:58 PM

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ok cool then 😃

dry marsh Jun 12, 2017, 5:05 PM

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hello, is there anywhere I can do some reading/learning on how to theorycraft with openers? No school this summer and I would like to get a little deeper into the sim world

split sorrel Jun 12, 2017, 5:12 PM

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Start with the simc wiki

dry marsh Jun 12, 2017, 5:20 PM

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thank you sir

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or ma'am

lime iron Jun 12, 2017, 5:29 PM

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guys i need your opinion about this spreadsheet. someone in my guild posted this. set bonus values

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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vc8YWudxJw0ro0U8IPT1eD4oEzE5VdXroH--PSWRLyc/htmlview?sle=true#gid=0

regal agate Jun 12, 2017, 5:30 PM

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i dont like it

lime iron Jun 12, 2017, 5:31 PM

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i dont like it too.

regal agate Jun 12, 2017, 5:32 PM

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those charts just bring wrong conclusions

lime iron Jun 12, 2017, 5:33 PM

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are our setbonuses that underwhelming compared to the other classes on our token?

split sorrel Jun 12, 2017, 5:39 PM

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We'll probably receive a buff

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But what can I testify is APL are not optimized.

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I'm currently clearing the whole profiles things on SimC repo, then will check Rogues APL.

regal agate Jun 12, 2017, 5:40 PM

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❤ apl changes

lime iron Jun 12, 2017, 5:40 PM

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❤

split sorrel Jun 12, 2017, 5:40 PM

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Will take some days for me to find out what is best.

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Since Legion it's mostly my addon that let me find errors 😉

regal agate Jun 12, 2017, 5:41 PM

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well i still try out my thesis with the old fashion apl change ^^ (but i guess an addon makes finding issues easyer)

dry marsh Jun 12, 2017, 6:02 PM

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@lime iron I clicked on the link

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for the sin numbers

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and this error is right on top

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SimulationCraft has not been built with PTR data. The 'ptr=' option is ignored.

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so I am assuming it is running the 720 engine

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which makes this list useless

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unless I am reading this wrong

regal agate Jun 12, 2017, 6:14 PM

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there is a name in the spreadsheet the autor is not aze

split sorrel Jun 12, 2017, 6:20 PM

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Latest build doesn't have ptr, it's set to 7.2.5 by default 😉

civic kestrel Jun 12, 2017, 6:35 PM

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tested some bonkers raid events

📎 170612-bonkers.PNG

lime iron Jun 12, 2017, 7:28 PM

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How can u sim that high with t19

regal agate Jun 12, 2017, 7:28 PM

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thats not an single target fight 😉

tawny arch Jun 12, 2017, 7:37 PM

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is soul shadows going to be better than gut ripper

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tomorow i mean with 4pc t19 and bracer/mantle

mystic jolt Jun 12, 2017, 7:51 PM

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Whenever I open the SimC addon, this message pops up. Any ideas?

📎 WoWScrnShot_061217_154850.jpg

merry cloud Jun 12, 2017, 7:51 PM

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do you have artifact equipped? )

mystic jolt Jun 12, 2017, 7:52 PM

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Yes

merry cloud Jun 12, 2017, 7:52 PM

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latest version of addon?

mystic jolt Jun 12, 2017, 7:52 PM

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Should be, I'll check

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Yes, it was recently updated

merry cloud Jun 12, 2017, 7:54 PM

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I have 1.7.2 and have no problems with Assa weapon

mystic jolt Jun 12, 2017, 7:54 PM

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Huh mines 1.7.3

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I'll try pasting what it gives me into simc, it might just be a bug

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Ya it's just a bug with the new update, simc reads everything fine

split sorrel Jun 12, 2017, 8:03 PM

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do a /reload to see

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then are u sure you don't have like the outlaw weapon opened while being assa ?

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something like this

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else it's an issue we're trying to solve

mystic jolt Jun 12, 2017, 8:23 PM

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Reloaded, it still does it. I don't have a different spec's weapon opened when I type it, and the command properly opens the assassination one

pulsar parcel Jun 12, 2017, 8:24 PM

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test other specs?

mystic jolt Jun 12, 2017, 8:24 PM

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It does it for outlaw as well, so I assume it happens for other spec

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s

wet mango Jun 12, 2017, 8:27 PM

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Hey was that assassination bug with vanish being used improperly fixed in the latest simc build?

tawny arch Jun 12, 2017, 9:31 PM

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question, if i have 2 soul shadows and 1 evis crit and i replace them with the same relics but 2 of them 1 ilvl higher but in different slots (crit/ss/ss to ss/crit/crit), it sims me at 2k lower, thats got to be an error

split sorrel Jun 12, 2017, 9:35 PM

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see what I've said in #subtlety

zinc flint Jun 12, 2017, 10:01 PM

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Hey Simcraft experts! If i want to sim which 2 tier tokens would be the best for my spec and stat weights, how is the "easiest way to do this"
Is it just about manually simming every single combination, or is there a way to make shortcuts in simcraft? Basicly im not very skilled in simcraft as a tool

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An analogy would be me not knowing how to copy paste etc, my simming-skills are clunky 😛

peak bone Jun 12, 2017, 10:08 PM

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according to sims rogue is the worst pure dps class at 7.2.5?

regal agate Jun 12, 2017, 10:09 PM

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copy="name"
gearslot=.....

keep in mind that if you do sth like this:
copy="shiny new head"
hear=....

copy="shinly new neck"
neck=...

the secound simulation will have your shiny new head and neck in it.
this means if you compare tier sets you need to exchange items.
@zinc flint

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@peak bone what gear profile did those sims use?

peak bone Jun 12, 2017, 10:10 PM

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2 t19 2 t20 most of them

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i saw hunter at 1.274

split sorrel Jun 12, 2017, 10:10 PM

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about @tawny arch issue, for reference, it was an issue on end user, not simc.

peak bone Jun 12, 2017, 10:10 PM

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https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/zahqHLmdUaZRro-8Teae1TEQATvIhDxmY_R1kSRcZXs/https/images.discordapp.net/attachments/233915164871622657/323812746514661377/image.png?width=779&height=292

regal agate Jun 12, 2017, 10:13 PM

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i cant say mutch as i dont know the whole context tbh, so unless both use the same gearlvl/traits they may differ in numbers

peak bone Jun 12, 2017, 10:13 PM

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destro locks sim for 1.3

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we are going to a support role for tos i suppose

zinc flint Jun 12, 2017, 10:14 PM

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@regal agate so i can do copy="name of sim"
and only replace pieces that i wanna change up? As an example, if i wanna swap tier chest for tier legs, i will insert some tier legs instead and a non-tier chest?

regal agate Jun 12, 2017, 10:14 PM

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you just make to many conclusions

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@zinc flint if you want to sim 1 tier piece you likely want to replace another one so you need to:

copy="tierpiece X"
chest=....
legs=....

you just need to stay aware what pieces you have equiped

lime iron Jun 12, 2017, 10:39 PM

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which option in simc do you prefer for siming multi target situations like dungeons?

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hectic add cleave?

peak bone Jun 13, 2017, 3:56 AM

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I sim higher by 1k as assa than sub at 7.2.5 simcraft . At 7.2 my sub was above by 30k with the same gear wtf ?

finite thunder Jun 13, 2017, 4:01 AM

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sub talents changed alot, are you using the right talents?

peak bone Jun 13, 2017, 4:14 AM

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Used weapon master shadow focus and the old premeditation talent with master of shadows

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And am 55 traits on sub 53 on assa

hard hull Jun 13, 2017, 4:31 AM

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Is the sim APL w/ shoulders + NS fixed for sin>

drowsy dove Jun 13, 2017, 4:41 AM

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sim with these as your talents: 2110021

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that's the top simming set on the doc

cerulean bolt Jun 13, 2017, 5:08 AM

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just updated simc addon for wow, and when i do /simc im getting a message in red in the chat box saying warning attempting to generate simulationcraft artifact output for wrong item

coarse parcel Jun 13, 2017, 6:28 AM

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are there any tomb trinket sims posted here anywhere?

pine zenith Jun 13, 2017, 8:07 AM

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^

grave frost Jun 13, 2017, 11:05 AM

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is there a faster way to sim all possible combinations of relics ? like 2x es 1x gr - 2gr 1 es and so on ? doing that manually would take ages and i do not really have the time for that

urban harbor Jun 13, 2017, 11:34 AM

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whats going to be top dps next patch

civic kestrel Jun 13, 2017, 11:35 AM

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Shakespearian question

regal agate Jun 13, 2017, 11:39 AM

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...there will also be adjustments to a few Nighthold raid mechanics, and an initial set of buffs to a few underperforming specs.

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also this is the simulation channel so questions not directly related like "whats best" dont fit in here

cobalt oxide Jun 13, 2017, 11:43 AM

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Hey guys, ive noticed alot of people use simc in here, is AMR not reccomended?

merry pike Jun 13, 2017, 11:59 AM

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simc is just hands down the best tool we have

obtuse folio Jun 13, 2017, 12:20 PM

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asked this last night, but I logged off before I got a response.
whats the difference between the Nightly and Weekly sim? 1 is updated every night, and the other once a week? :p

merry pike Jun 13, 2017, 12:22 PM

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yes one is updated nightly, with daily changes made to the apl by its contributors

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and the other is just one that you can download every week with those changes in weekly intervals

obtuse folio Jun 13, 2017, 12:26 PM

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aight, ta

final arrow Jun 13, 2017, 12:26 PM

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!trinkets

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any got sims with all tos trinkets

rain ice Jun 13, 2017, 1:19 PM

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🤔

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mt

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wrong channel lul

tacit rain Jun 13, 2017, 2:20 PM

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So with Aethys' announcement in #tc-updates are rogues really that low right now? I just assumed it was an inconsistency with sim profiles.

split sorrel Jun 13, 2017, 2:23 PM

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It is not inconsistency, we aren't topping the meters in ST, but it's high likely they'll change it really soon.

tacit rain Jun 13, 2017, 2:25 PM

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interesting, thanks

craggy torrent Jun 13, 2017, 2:44 PM

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Is there a way of removing the in-bag feature in /simc addon?

split sorrel Jun 13, 2017, 2:45 PM

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It is comments only, it won't have any effect on your simulation.

craggy torrent Jun 13, 2017, 2:47 PM

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It's just annoying when I try to simulate multiple sets of gear in the same simulation.

silk thistle Jun 13, 2017, 3:12 PM

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are you guys simming with latest nightly build or normal simcraft download ?

lusty grove Jun 13, 2017, 3:20 PM

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Were the APL changes done and are the sims on that spec comparison list done with the new APL if So?

regal agate Jun 13, 2017, 3:31 PM

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aethys is working on them and sims are without them

pulsar parcel Jun 13, 2017, 3:37 PM

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what APL stands for?

split sorrel Jun 13, 2017, 3:37 PM

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Action Priority List

delicate flax Jun 13, 2017, 3:58 PM

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I always wondered how you're dertermine the APLs. Is it by simulating a lot of them, or do you mathematically prove that one of the APL is the best possible ?

split sorrel Jun 13, 2017, 4:22 PM

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Both

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And now you can add an additional tool, testing them in game. (Via an add-on)

rigid patrol Jun 13, 2017, 4:28 PM

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Btw new apl with subterfuge will use vanish + garrote in opener ? @split sorrel cuz I think current one doesn't

vague torrent Jun 13, 2017, 5:13 PM

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how do you export sim results so you can link it to someone else

weary parcel Jun 13, 2017, 5:16 PM

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just save the html?

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and give it to them?

vague torrent Jun 13, 2017, 5:19 PM

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oops, didnt see that

hidden atlas Jun 13, 2017, 5:26 PM

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is raidbots updatead?

regal agate Jun 13, 2017, 5:27 PM

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yes, you can change simc version in the advanced settings on raidbots

hidden atlas Jun 13, 2017, 5:29 PM

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thank`s

pulsar parcel Jun 13, 2017, 5:30 PM

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why i am getting after /simc - Warning, attempting to generate Simulationcraft artifact output for the wrong item

hidden atlas Jun 13, 2017, 5:32 PM

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Can anyone help me sim my shit with the new update? My pc isn't good enough to do 10k itterations

regal agate Jun 13, 2017, 5:34 PM

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you can logout and import from armory on simc/raidbots

mystic jolt Jun 13, 2017, 5:53 PM

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I've been getting the same error @pulsar parcel, it still imports and sims correctly

sharp fiber Jun 13, 2017, 6:05 PM

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is it possible to sim all talent options at once? having some trouble figuring it out

regal agate Jun 13, 2017, 6:06 PM

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yes but you may want to limit the options becouse there are alot of options

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i made a pin in #subtlety for talent sims that includes a list for all possible talent choices

vale spruce Jun 13, 2017, 6:08 PM

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Anyone got any clue as to the stat weights for assassination in Tomb, will we be going back to crit build with TB or Mastery?

sharp fiber Jun 13, 2017, 6:08 PM

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thanks, ill give it a go 😃

maiden cargo Jun 13, 2017, 7:33 PM

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Could someone help me learn to make sense of my simc output? https://simcraftbot.me/us/the-scryers/varisaar/2017-06-13/H12-M18-S17_PT.html

nova girder Jun 13, 2017, 8:08 PM

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The Assa Apl can cast TB at 3 and 27 sec, hows that possible?

maiden cargo Jun 13, 2017, 8:11 PM

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Sharing my results, talked about it with Lorentz already, T20 is a loss of DPS for me as an Outlaw rogue and with my gear.

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📎 jed.PNG

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📎 jed2.PNG

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I did not use the profile for T20_H simply kept some tier pieces to replace some of mine, basically my gear but with T20 at same ilvl than my replaced T19

stable isle Jun 13, 2017, 8:16 PM

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what ilvl is your mythic t19 at tho

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and are you also using the arcway/cos gloves/boots set?

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given how strong the t19 bonuses were at the identical ilvl i wouldn't be suprised if t19 > t20 after the savage nerfs they did

maiden cargo Jun 13, 2017, 8:18 PM

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915, my gear is optimized without those sets.

manic pulsar Jun 13, 2017, 8:20 PM

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would the function stealthed.all in simc return true or false if you have subterfuge up?

stable isle Jun 13, 2017, 8:22 PM

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i could see them rebuffing the nerf to the 4pc bonus but i think they'll leave the 2pc bonus as is

maiden cargo Jun 13, 2017, 8:23 PM

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The 2pc is not a big deal anyway.

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But if nothing is done to 4p, outlaw would only use T20 pieces for stats, passive being a loss compared to T20.

maiden cargo Jun 13, 2017, 8:39 PM

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Hey guys, the simc addon is generating the artifact output for the wrong artifact, how can I fix this?

modest ravine Jun 13, 2017, 9:11 PM

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is the updated simc build available yet?

maiden cargo Jun 13, 2017, 9:11 PM

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yes.

modest ravine Jun 13, 2017, 9:11 PM

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sweet.

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thanks

low gorge Jun 13, 2017, 10:17 PM

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does anyone have sims for all specs?

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with optimized gear?

maiden cargo Jun 13, 2017, 10:30 PM

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No.

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@maiden cargo did you figure out how to fix that issue?

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@maiden cargo Yeah, just go get the latest nightly version of Simcraft and then it'll get fixed.

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thanks a lot

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Yep!

tropic musk Jun 13, 2017, 11:25 PM

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Is the Sim bot up to date?

bleak sky Jun 14, 2017, 12:13 AM

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I am getting DRASTICALLY diff numbers with the current 725 apl than I was with the old ptr apl

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anyone got a clue why

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drastically in a bad way

split sorrel Jun 14, 2017, 12:14 AM

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don't use ptr

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and build with latest commit

bleak sky Jun 14, 2017, 12:14 AM

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I'm not

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But I'm using the ptr apl

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And I am

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My OL sims went down 100k dps

maiden cargo Jun 14, 2017, 12:17 AM

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Went up for me.

bleak sky Jun 14, 2017, 12:18 AM

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Nvm

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Wierd

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musta been a bad import somehow

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Seen it happen before

maiden cargo Jun 14, 2017, 12:19 AM

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Just don't follow the SnD meme from Stjern

bleak sky Jun 14, 2017, 12:19 AM

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Sadly SnD actually simmed the highest for me

maiden cargo Jun 14, 2017, 12:20 AM

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Must be because of your gear not being optimized I guess

bleak sky Jun 14, 2017, 12:20 AM

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possibly

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but we should move this to OL

white prism Jun 14, 2017, 2:49 AM

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Does anyone of a sim list with the new ring?

gray flume Jun 14, 2017, 3:56 AM

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@white prism from everything I read, the new ring simmed as shit.

proud locust Jun 14, 2017, 4:54 AM

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is it ok to copy the opner simcraft uses can anybody confirm this for me?
opener in the sample sequnce table

hybrid moat Jun 14, 2017, 8:07 AM

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Wow... is that for real?

📎 Screenshot_20170614-100226.png

gusty solar Jun 14, 2017, 8:08 AM

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already rerolled

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;p

split sorrel Jun 14, 2017, 8:13 AM

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it changed a little bit

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but that's kinda real yes

viral wharf Jun 14, 2017, 8:13 AM

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Is there a way to sim the difference between using old war and using prolonged ?

split sorrel Jun 14, 2017, 8:13 AM

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the question is, is rogue lower than it should be, or, are all others higher than they should be ?

gusty solar Jun 14, 2017, 8:15 AM

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rouge should never be that low EVER

warped smelt Jun 14, 2017, 8:33 AM

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oh dayum

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need that tuning patch very soon

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do you think they will change things during ToS progression?

manic oracle Jun 14, 2017, 9:21 AM

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@split sorrel were you talking about updating mine spreadsheet at the tc channel?

split sorrel Jun 14, 2017, 9:21 AM

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no

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mystler's one

manic oracle Jun 14, 2017, 9:21 AM

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😛

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alright

cunning willow Jun 14, 2017, 9:22 AM

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so are rogues just pretty much in the hole right now for dps?

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and which spec is doin the best currently

manic oracle Jun 14, 2017, 9:22 AM

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i was actually trying to resim assa's relics but it was crashing for me cause of sets not swapped yet or something

split sorrel Jun 14, 2017, 9:22 AM

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it is

cunning willow Jun 14, 2017, 9:23 AM

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aethys are rogues in a bad spot right now

split sorrel Jun 14, 2017, 9:25 AM

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who knows 💁

marble quest Jun 14, 2017, 9:26 AM

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Hi guys, my pawn since completely crazy since this morning, is it the same for you all ?

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like, I dropped some 855 ilvl bracers wich apparently gives me +54% improvement on my sin spec ? 😄

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did versatily go skyrocket over the night or is it a bug ?

cunning willow Jun 14, 2017, 9:26 AM

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I got a question for you guys is it better to have for instance outlaw to have haste vers on almost every piece or do i need to stop with haste at a breaking point

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same for sin do i need to stop at so much mastery or what

marble quest Jun 14, 2017, 9:27 AM

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you should use some simcraft with your own gear and judge the stat weight yourselff I suppose

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if you're going with too much mastery, the weight of the stat will probably fall off a little and you'll know you have to change your optimization

cunning willow Jun 14, 2017, 9:28 AM

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but with simming how do i know if its to much mastery

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or to little haste or not enough crit

marble quest Jun 14, 2017, 9:30 AM

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as I said, you look at the stat weight. If you sim and it says mastery weights 50 and other stats 10 it means you need a ton of mastery

regal agate Jun 14, 2017, 9:30 AM

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your scaling factors change if you sim you should know what to prioritize from that

cunning willow Jun 14, 2017, 9:30 AM

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and what website would be best to sim at?

marble quest Jun 14, 2017, 9:30 AM

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third party program, simulcraft it's called

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you can find good tutorials on google

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on how to sim your character

regal agate Jun 14, 2017, 9:31 AM

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simc ressources are pinned (raidbots/#bot-spam/simc download link)

brazen obsidian Jun 14, 2017, 10:42 AM

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Aethys is there new stat prios out there

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w

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My gut tells me crit > vers for outlaw nowadys

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maybe its different with setbonus hmm

maiden cargo Jun 14, 2017, 10:46 AM

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You could just use SimC

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Or check my guide on the outlaw channel.

maiden cargo Jun 14, 2017, 11:45 AM

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!download

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!help

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!aethys

rustic abyss Jun 14, 2017, 12:07 PM

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anyone else having issues with raidbots right now? currently im trying to sim t20 pieces on my rogue, but my simulations always abort

torn dome Jun 14, 2017, 12:07 PM

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Due to tier swap

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Need to wait for new nightly

rustic abyss Jun 14, 2017, 12:09 PM

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oh i see. so its because the new items arent implemented correctly right now?

torn dome Jun 14, 2017, 12:09 PM

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It is simply as blizz swapped tier bonuses around again

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It causes sim to crash

rustic abyss Jun 14, 2017, 12:09 PM

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ok, thanks for explanation

magic wyvern Jun 14, 2017, 1:49 PM

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can someone send a download link to latest simcraft

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My browser crashes everytime i try to downlonad it lol

regal agate Jun 14, 2017, 1:52 PM

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📌

maiden cargo Jun 14, 2017, 1:54 PM

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I have a question regarding outlaw's APL, about PS proc usage especially during bracers buff, I have noticed that the energy is alot more stable and is really hard to cap, when does it cast PS proc? I feel like if it's still the old way it may not be the best, just curious

torn dome Jun 14, 2017, 1:55 PM

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it calculates the energy max in the apl itself

maiden cargo Jun 14, 2017, 1:55 PM

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So it makes it cast ps proc without capping all the time?

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Regardless of energy numbers?

torn dome Jun 14, 2017, 1:56 PM

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You can read the condition:

maiden cargo Jun 14, 2017, 1:57 PM

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Ok I see

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What does it say CB>=1 tho, as quickdraw gives 2 CB

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wouldnt the wasted CBs impact the DPS result?

torn dome Jun 14, 2017, 1:58 PM

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You can edit it to see. This has been optimal when it was written

maiden cargo Jun 14, 2017, 1:59 PM

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Alright, was just out of curiosity, I'm not trying to say it's wrong

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thanks wEak

magic isle Jun 14, 2017, 2:19 PM

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anyone able to help me. I'm simming my char with a the latest SimC DL, but the iterations are only about 180-250 each sim, in the options iterations is greyed out but set at 10k, but i cant change it

merry cloud Jun 14, 2017, 2:50 PM

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change target error

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it is just below iterations iirc

cerulean junco Jun 14, 2017, 3:50 PM

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vanish kingsbane the new thing?

📎 unknown.png

torn dome Jun 14, 2017, 3:52 PM

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nope

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just apl breaking on new patch

cerulean junco Jun 14, 2017, 3:56 PM

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ok, opener should be still the same, just use toxic blade somewhere inbetween

zinc flint Jun 14, 2017, 4:00 PM

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Where can i find the most updated build for Simcraft? Nightly build?

torn dome Jun 14, 2017, 4:00 PM

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Im currently working on the sin apl so nothing is set in stone

zinc flint Jun 14, 2017, 4:02 PM

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Nvm saw pins my bad

thorn pine Jun 14, 2017, 4:08 PM

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is there an easy way to sim all the bagged gear I have, one at a time?

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like you could do with talents using copy=talent1 talents=1123321

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doing copy=hasteneck neck=,id=12345
copy=hastehead head=,id=54321
will keep the new neck on when simming the head

torn dome Jun 14, 2017, 4:11 PM

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copy="originalprofile" "newprofilename"

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Copies the profile named originalprofile

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Otherwise it copies the one above

thorn pine Jun 14, 2017, 4:12 PM

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so
copy=rotexor hasteneck
neck=,id=12345
copy=rotexor hastehead
neck=,id=54321
?

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rotexor being at the start in rogue="rotexor"

torn dome Jun 14, 2017, 4:13 PM

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neck=,id=12345```

thorn pine Jun 14, 2017, 4:14 PM

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oh with the ""

torn dome Jun 14, 2017, 4:14 PM

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and so on

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yes

thorn pine Jun 14, 2017, 4:14 PM

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alright, thanks

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that's just giving me error unexpected parameter 'copy'. expected format: name=value

torn dome Jun 14, 2017, 4:18 PM

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copy=""tblast9" "new"
talents=1110011

copy=""tblast9" "new2"
talents=2210011```

thorn pine Jun 14, 2017, 4:20 PM

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that seems to do it

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why did it need double " before first name?

torn dome Jun 14, 2017, 4:20 PM

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That is actually a typo 🤔

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But if it works ¯_(ツ)_/¯

thorn pine Jun 14, 2017, 4:20 PM

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wtf

proud locust Jun 14, 2017, 4:21 PM

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damn why are rogues so low in the pack now i hope that changes

thorn pine Jun 14, 2017, 4:21 PM

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well it didn't work :\ still simming the helmet with the neck on 3rd sim

proud locust Jun 14, 2017, 4:21 PM

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lol and outlaw is even better then assa now

thorn pine Jun 14, 2017, 4:32 PM

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anyone else got an idea how?

torn dome Jun 14, 2017, 4:33 PM

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My bad

copy=newone,original
trinket1=,id=147015,ilevel=910```

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If this doesnt work then Im just 🤔

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And I flipped them again the wrong way

thorn pine Jun 14, 2017, 4:35 PM

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it's simming

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so something is right at least :d

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that worked, thanks 😄

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weird how losing 4p is less bad than equipping a 925 skorp neck

feral timber Jun 14, 2017, 4:46 PM

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what should i use to sim?

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because on the sc homepage there is no 7.2.5 release afaik

regal agate Jun 14, 2017, 4:47 PM

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📎 Unbenannt.png

past fern Jun 14, 2017, 4:47 PM

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In the "Sim Yourself" document, it says to use the Simcraft Addon because the wow API isn't importing stuff correctly--is that still accurate? I shouldn't use the import function in Simcraft?

feral timber Jun 14, 2017, 4:48 PM

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http://imgur.com/a/D0An9

Imgur

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the arrow is kinda wonky

regal agate Jun 14, 2017, 4:49 PM

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no the document is kinda outdated

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there are maybe old/wrong information

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import should work fine from armory and with the ingame addon

past fern Jun 14, 2017, 4:50 PM

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oh okay, it seemed like it was importing okay but I didn't want to screw up my numbers and not realize it. Thanks!

regal agate Jun 14, 2017, 4:52 PM

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you are right it may need an update

random gorge Jun 14, 2017, 4:55 PM

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what's the apl line to use wound poison instead of deadly?

rustic wigeon Jun 14, 2017, 5:42 PM

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Hi guys I have a question regarding my opener and was instructed to ask here or theorycraft channel. I have boots and bracers as xsin and no mantle. Subterfuge is simming 150K higher.

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So should my opener look different?

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Someone told me to do a type of Garrote->Mut->garrote->rupture

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or Garrote->mut->rupture->garrote with lust if possible

bright gorge Jun 14, 2017, 5:44 PM

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This is something for the sin channel, but neither

rustic wigeon Jun 14, 2017, 5:44 PM

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fuck me

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i just came from there

bright gorge Jun 14, 2017, 5:45 PM

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You don't want to override your strong garrote with something much weaker this is what you want

rustic wigeon Jun 14, 2017, 5:45 PM

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It wouldnt be weaker

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because it has to be done inside subterfuge

rigid patrol Jun 14, 2017, 5:45 PM

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are stats weights correct cuz before it was mast>agi now agi>mast for me?

rustic wigeon Jun 14, 2017, 5:46 PM

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I thought stat weights were per individual when you do scaling on the sim?

bright gorge Jun 14, 2017, 5:46 PM

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Garrote>mut>rupture>vendetta>mut>kb>envenom

rigid patrol Jun 14, 2017, 5:46 PM

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just curious why they changed

rustic wigeon Jun 14, 2017, 5:46 PM

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With all due respect deezy, that would make energy cap for like 5 seconds no lie

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would have to mut before vendetta

bright gorge Jun 14, 2017, 5:47 PM

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It doesn't though, and I was doing over 800k ST as sin

rustic wigeon Jun 14, 2017, 5:47 PM

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My goal is 1mil

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I'm doing over 900k

bright gorge Jun 14, 2017, 5:47 PM

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Right and you'll get more but not with that rotation that you had

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Unless for some reason you're just waiting and pooling energy during your opener and not spamming off gcd, you won't cap energy off that opener I assure you

swift beacon Jun 14, 2017, 7:46 PM

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hi everyone. little question: does raidbots sim draught of souls correctly for sub? rerolled from dh and a rogue in my guild told me it's one of the strongest... but it sims for far less than a 880 agi+crit stat stick. DoS is 895.
is DoS as underwhelming as it looks or do i have to change apl or something? :)

tawny arch Jun 14, 2017, 8:03 PM

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So logs from last night have sub not looking so good.. should I chalk that up to people not experienced in it yet as well as no TOS gear??? Somewhat worried outlaw will be king in reality

split sorrel Jun 14, 2017, 8:03 PM

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Wait & see.

night stream Jun 14, 2017, 8:09 PM

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!aethys

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!Aethys

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😬

tawny arch Jun 14, 2017, 8:19 PM

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@split sorrel What spec are you playing?

split sorrel Jun 14, 2017, 8:21 PM

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Subtlety

tawny arch Jun 14, 2017, 8:21 PM

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Word

sick dirge Jun 14, 2017, 8:22 PM

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anyone else not seeing toxic blade damage show up on sims even with the latest nightly build ?

split sorrel Jun 14, 2017, 8:24 PM

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something wrong on ur end, working as intended.

sick dirge Jun 14, 2017, 8:25 PM

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you only need to download the .exe file correct?

autumn plume Jun 14, 2017, 8:34 PM

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!trinket

sick dirge Jun 14, 2017, 8:39 PM

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Difference between the first one and the .exe? and the third and fourth ones?

📎 Capture.PNG

regal agate Jun 14, 2017, 8:39 PM

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release date

sick dirge Jun 14, 2017, 8:41 PM

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im not so sure lol

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second is executable

vagrant quail Jun 14, 2017, 8:44 PM

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Have you guys tested the Mr robot ?

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sims from they are really =/= from simcraft

regal agate Jun 14, 2017, 8:46 PM

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there are always 2 files released 1 7z (archive file) and 1 exe (installer). you can use what you prefere thats why there is 1 7z and 1 exe file

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i am not up to date with askmr's simulation/implementation so i cant say mutch

sick dirge Jun 14, 2017, 8:48 PM

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ya i just figured that out aha

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thanks for the responses fuu

vagrant quail Jun 14, 2017, 8:49 PM

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their "best in slot" says to use the crown and boots

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tring to figure why

regal agate Jun 14, 2017, 8:50 PM

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raidbots has a similar feature 😉

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best in bag from AMR gave me last time i tryed it some questionable suggestions

vagrant quail Jun 14, 2017, 8:51 PM

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using the best in slot

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not gear i have

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http://www.askmrrobot.com/wow/simulator/report/1bd234e770034662a310100778718b33

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their suggestion

maiden cargo Jun 14, 2017, 9:03 PM

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Aethys can you optimize the Outlaw APL so my guild thinks the spec will be good in ToS and I dont get benched? thanks

split sorrel Jun 14, 2017, 9:04 PM

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Feel free to donate 😃

maiden cargo Jun 14, 2017, 9:04 PM

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I am donating my time to the community every day!

split sorrel Jun 14, 2017, 9:05 PM

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So do I

brave parcel Jun 14, 2017, 9:05 PM

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!sim

maiden cargo Jun 14, 2017, 9:05 PM

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Thanks tehepelo

brave parcel Jun 14, 2017, 9:05 PM

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!simcraft

gusty solar Jun 14, 2017, 9:14 PM

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why are my stat weights different from raidbot vs simcraft. are they not using the same thing?

rigid patrol Jun 14, 2017, 9:20 PM

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For what spec?

noble lagoon Jun 14, 2017, 9:20 PM

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anyone know knew statweights for assa with MP and TB spec ?

gusty solar Jun 14, 2017, 9:20 PM

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sub atm

rigid patrol Jun 14, 2017, 9:21 PM

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What it shows compared to raidbots ?

gusty solar Jun 14, 2017, 9:21 PM

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not huge. but items being 1% upgrade vs 3% for the same item

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different build maybe?

rigid patrol Jun 14, 2017, 9:22 PM

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Nah

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What stat prior

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Raidbots vs simcraft tool?

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How many iterations

gusty solar Jun 14, 2017, 9:23 PM

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Agi > Vers > Crit ~= Mastery > Haste

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yes. dosent raidbots use simcraft but on the cloud?

rigid patrol Jun 14, 2017, 9:23 PM

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It does

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So I ask how many iterations u did?

gusty solar Jun 14, 2017, 9:24 PM

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100000

rigid patrol Jun 14, 2017, 9:25 PM

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Raidbots only support 25k max

gusty solar Jun 14, 2017, 9:25 PM

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10000*

rigid patrol Jun 14, 2017, 9:26 PM

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Try 25k then

gusty solar Jun 14, 2017, 9:26 PM

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no biggie just wondering if it was using the same engine

rigid patrol Jun 14, 2017, 9:26 PM

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And see if it's closer

noble lagoon Jun 14, 2017, 9:28 PM

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can u test for assa with master posioner and toxic blade? whta stat weights

split sorrel Jun 14, 2017, 10:13 PM

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use target_error

dusty marlin Jun 14, 2017, 10:18 PM

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btw when ur simming for 300s for example is the fluffy pillow on 30-0% in 90s of the sim then?

split sorrel Jun 14, 2017, 10:19 PM

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📎 unknown.png

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roughly yes

sonic orbit Jun 15, 2017, 12:12 AM

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Since the Sin channel wont answer me I'll ask else where. Should I be using vanish to empower rupture or some other ability?

west smelt Jun 15, 2017, 12:23 AM

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if you are specced into [Nightstalker] always vanish rupture

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@sonic orbit

sonic orbit Jun 15, 2017, 12:24 AM

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@west smelt cheers mate

last ferry Jun 15, 2017, 12:25 AM

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is the current nightly using the new legendary cape effect?

lyric seal Jun 15, 2017, 12:51 AM

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Can someone help me simming different talent build at the same time without importing my character 6 times?

rain ice Jun 15, 2017, 1:48 AM

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How can I get the new apl as a github/code noob

frank ivy Jun 15, 2017, 3:22 AM

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CONVERGENCE > DRAUGHT?

finite thunder Jun 15, 2017, 3:23 AM

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yes? obviously?

frank ivy Jun 15, 2017, 3:24 AM

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I don't know thats why i am asking 😦

finite thunder Jun 15, 2017, 3:24 AM

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DoS is not a good trinket, while CoF is one of our best

frank ivy Jun 15, 2017, 3:24 AM

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Awesome. Thanks, appreciate it 😃

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I wasn't quite sure I need to spend more time here. 😃

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I also have nightbloom fond.. 895.. also I would asssume better than draught

finite thunder Jun 15, 2017, 3:25 AM

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sims for trinkets is pinned in spec channels I think

frank ivy Jun 15, 2017, 3:25 AM

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Pinned? I clicked on the assassination and didn't see anyhthing.

finite thunder Jun 15, 2017, 3:26 AM

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https://ravenholdt-tc.github.io/trinkets_assa_t19.html

spiral quarry Jun 15, 2017, 4:22 AM

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do we have simmed races

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is that a thing

rain ice Jun 15, 2017, 4:29 AM

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we used to but I think you'd have to sim yourself for up to date comparisons

alpine goblet Jun 15, 2017, 6:20 AM

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Blood elf is nice

maiden cargo Jun 15, 2017, 6:45 AM

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anyguide just yet?

keen talon Jun 15, 2017, 6:52 AM

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!simc

solemn plaza Jun 15, 2017, 7:25 AM

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What's the difference between Rogue_Subtlety_Dark_T20H and the one without Dark? (I'm trying to use the updated APL from these profiles, might be doing it wrong though)

gaunt gale Jun 15, 2017, 7:33 AM

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dark is a dark shadows build (burst build) and the other is probably an enveloping shadow build

split sorrel Jun 15, 2017, 8:51 AM

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that's true

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what are you using for @solemn plaza ?

solemn plaza Jun 15, 2017, 8:52 AM

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Trying to sim the best talent set up, also I want to check how the sim plays because I'm not really performing well sometimes, with the Dark Shadow talent, hoping to find out why

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Figured it out though 😛 I got the APL now ^^

split sorrel Jun 15, 2017, 8:57 AM

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Try AethysRotation, I updated it after the APL update.

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It is a better way to try to simulate the APL

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than just reading the sample sequence

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considering sample sequence is subject to RNG, while the addon auto-adapts (+ the AoE part)

solemn plaza Jun 15, 2017, 9:00 AM

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Ooh, I'll try that instead then, thanks!

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MFD isn't in it yet, right? And wouldn't it be better to use Evis during a vanish with Dark Shadow? 😮

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It's good to see though, really needed to see if I was doing things at least somewhat right

gusty remnant Jun 15, 2017, 9:11 AM

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!relics

sleek pollen Jun 15, 2017, 10:00 AM

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What does APL mean?

jolly venture Jun 15, 2017, 10:02 AM

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Action Priority List

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I didn't trust old_war back then, but now prolonged sims at least 6k higher in most situations and even more with arcanocrystal.

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Even 10, changed rule for second potion.

nova girder Jun 15, 2017, 11:14 AM

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Is there a way to force an opener in the apl? So i can try different options?

feral crystal Jun 15, 2017, 11:56 AM

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@split sorrel going to give your addon a shot! Any plans on ever developing something for sin and outlaw?

split sorrel Jun 15, 2017, 12:04 PM

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already supported

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and updated for 7.2.5

feral crystal Jun 15, 2017, 12:18 PM

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Sweet as balls! Going to download it as soon as I get back to my pc. Love your work for the community ❤

small scaffold Jun 15, 2017, 12:29 PM

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Hey, I remember reading something about a target error when simming for scaling. Is that a thing? And if so, what's the target error %?

split sorrel Jun 15, 2017, 12:30 PM

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0.05 usually

small scaffold Jun 15, 2017, 12:30 PM

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Ah, righteous. Thank you.

modest ravine Jun 15, 2017, 2:00 PM

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what is the unoptimized part of the outlaw apl? tier, trinkets,ect?

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or is it optimized and someone was trolling me?

split sorrel Jun 15, 2017, 2:19 PM

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🤷

jolly vigil Jun 15, 2017, 3:55 PM

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Hey guys. If I sim one row of talents instead of a combination is it going to give me which one is stronger for me or it does it need the whole talent tree because of synergies or something?

modest ravine Jun 15, 2017, 3:57 PM

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just sim the talent combination. e.g. 121311 and change the talent you want to sim

split sorrel Jun 15, 2017, 3:57 PM

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Kinda yes, depending on the spec @jolly vigil

jolly vigil Jun 15, 2017, 3:58 PM

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Alright thanks for the help.

kindred epoch Jun 15, 2017, 4:04 PM

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Are the latest nighty buid updated with the new APL ? at least for sub ? ( Assa yet ?)

regal agate Jun 15, 2017, 4:06 PM

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yes apl changes are in the latest nightly (sub ones)

split sorrel Jun 15, 2017, 4:27 PM

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Didn't know we have multiple spec, thought we only had Subtlety 🤔

maiden cargo Jun 15, 2017, 5:01 PM

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Bully 😭

civic cradle Jun 15, 2017, 5:06 PM

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@split sorrel sub is that much better atm?

bleak cobalt Jun 15, 2017, 5:13 PM

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Was just wondering if someone could explain to me how the current nightly makes 1 backstab award 6 CP's http://puu.sh/wkWc5/48c0104fab.png I dont have the gloves

torn dome Jun 15, 2017, 5:14 PM

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WM proc

loud temple Jun 15, 2017, 5:15 PM

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sim bot been updated?

bleak cobalt Jun 15, 2017, 5:15 PM

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I'm not happy about it but I'll accept it :p

torn dome Jun 15, 2017, 5:15 PM

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Stab+ blades 2 + WM proc 2 + SHT proc 2

bleak cobalt Jun 15, 2017, 5:15 PM

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pretty crazy rng for the apl to utilize imo

torn dome Jun 15, 2017, 5:15 PM

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why

merry cloud Jun 15, 2017, 5:15 PM

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Sht would be its own line

torn dome Jun 15, 2017, 5:17 PM

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Naa. ShT doesnt have its own line

strong rune Jun 15, 2017, 5:19 PM

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ShT isn't an aura, or an action taken by the player, so it doesn't have it's own line

cobalt creek Jun 15, 2017, 5:23 PM

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hi, how i can see what stat i have to prio please?

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i dont know how to see it on simcraft

merry cloud Jun 15, 2017, 5:27 PM

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Okay but there are 0 auto attacks between backstab and NB. How would sht proc?

torn dome Jun 15, 2017, 5:28 PM

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You have the html of said sim?

merry cloud Jun 15, 2017, 5:30 PM

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nvm autos are not in sample sequence

strong rune Jun 15, 2017, 5:33 PM

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dive into the actual logs, maybe not the sample sequence?

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i've found more power in debugging stuff from the real simc logs than just looking at the sample

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(running the engine in debug mode will do a single iteration with verbose logging, then you can search for all instances of backstab happening, and see what happens in the backgroudn

torn dome Jun 15, 2017, 5:35 PM

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Youd have to ask beeble for that. But Im 99% sure it is just WM and ShT proc simultaniously

merry cloud Jun 15, 2017, 5:35 PM

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it wasn't my log, yeah

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just a picture of a sample and a question

wide edge Jun 15, 2017, 5:46 PM

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!relics

pulsar parcel Jun 15, 2017, 5:50 PM

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what settings should i chose to sim m+ enviroment? (aoe encounters)

shrewd dock Jun 15, 2017, 6:01 PM

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what is the build for sin in 7.2.5?

placid kestrel Jun 15, 2017, 6:13 PM

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hi, should i keep convergance if i swap boots for wrists?

rustic wigeon Jun 15, 2017, 6:48 PM

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📎 unknown.png

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I dont understand why it rates crit so high still

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I just got my shoulders

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As soon as I equip a 1k mastery increase tyhe sim goes down 100k

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Maybe its the haste that the ring has

warped smelt Jun 15, 2017, 7:17 PM

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!simc

graceful tundra Jun 15, 2017, 7:18 PM

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Generally SimC and Raidbot are more trustworthy than Mr Robot right?

tawny arch Jun 15, 2017, 7:24 PM

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Any idea when the current nightly build will be available for Macs?

regal agate Jun 15, 2017, 7:27 PM

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you can compile it from source 😉

tawny arch Jun 15, 2017, 7:27 PM

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not sure how to do that 😦

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any instructions out there on how to do that

manic pulsar Jun 15, 2017, 7:37 PM

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@graceful tundra No, they're both good. Bugs crop up from time to time in both, but get fixed quickly.

graceful tundra Jun 15, 2017, 7:55 PM

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@manic pulsar When I sim myself with SimC I get my sim at 980k, wowprogress puts me on 950k and Mr Robot brings me all the way down to 850k. I also lose DPS when I switch Shoulders out for Ring on SimC but gain DPS on Mr Robot, how is this so different?

manic pulsar Jun 15, 2017, 7:56 PM

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can you link me to the sim report from AMR?

graceful tundra Jun 15, 2017, 7:56 PM

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I'll throw in the stuff again, one sec

manic pulsar Jun 15, 2017, 7:56 PM

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it's harder than it seems to compare AMR to SimC equally

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lots of times it's a settings difference

graceful tundra Jun 15, 2017, 7:58 PM

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http://www.askmrrobot.com/wow/simulator/report/1e3b8d92b93e4b5badc9611e0c500b45

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Ring

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http://www.askmrrobot.com/wow/simulator/report/d86164e91e8844ac83490aa123a6d555

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Shoulders

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I did notice that the ring got buffed up to 970, even when I pulled it down to 940 manually but in SimC I lose 40k DPS with the ring, so Mr Robot clearly has a different outcome

manic pulsar Jun 15, 2017, 8:00 PM

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I'll take a look at it and see if I can find the difference

rain ice Jun 15, 2017, 8:40 PM

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os x daily simc build please 👏🏾

main badger Jun 15, 2017, 8:42 PM

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https://simulationcraft.org/reports/Raid_T20M.html

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this legit ?

split sorrel Jun 15, 2017, 8:43 PM

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yes

obtuse python Jun 15, 2017, 8:46 PM

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in riffs guide he says we should take dfa at the moment. but its simming far lower for me. is this normal?

split sorrel Jun 15, 2017, 8:47 PM

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Maybe you don't have the latest simc build.
But DfA is a good talent yeah.

obtuse python Jun 15, 2017, 8:47 PM

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im using raidbots

merry cloud Jun 15, 2017, 8:47 PM

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what spec?

obtuse python Jun 15, 2017, 8:47 PM

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sub

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maybe ill try it in simcraft again

maiden cargo Jun 15, 2017, 8:51 PM

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Thank you for your work Aethys

obtuse python Jun 15, 2017, 8:51 PM

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true 👍

tawny arch Jun 15, 2017, 9:01 PM

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@rain ice This

lusty grove Jun 15, 2017, 9:35 PM

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Has the outlaw APL been updated?

fast rose Jun 16, 2017, 12:00 AM

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anyone kno if simc is updated? still showing im running AP

tough dirge Jun 16, 2017, 12:06 AM

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APL question: Default SND apl refreshes LD buffed SND as soon as it enters Pandamic duration with an unbuffed (LD) SND

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why ?

maiden cargo Jun 16, 2017, 1:41 AM

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I think I've talked with someone telling me Mystler did not add 2 lines for SnD APL, no idea if that has been fixed or not

scarlet flower Jun 16, 2017, 3:00 AM

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Is it possible to set a specific value under gear summary in simC? or do i have to change the equipment?

gusty remnant Jun 16, 2017, 4:05 AM

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are relics not simming properly for people? I'm keying in the IDs and getting the right trait but at base ilvl

gaunt gale Jun 16, 2017, 4:15 AM

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Did you put in the bonus ID correctly?

sacred forge Jun 16, 2017, 4:59 AM

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!trinkets

merry pike Jun 16, 2017, 5:10 AM

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force ilevel with ilevel=x

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remove the bonus id section

rain ice Jun 16, 2017, 5:36 AM

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whens osx nightly gonna come out? ❤

tawny arch Jun 16, 2017, 5:59 AM

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^ This

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❤

split sorrel Jun 16, 2017, 6:00 AM

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Will ask to master navv

floral acorn Jun 16, 2017, 6:00 AM

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just build it from github

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kappa

split sorrel Jun 16, 2017, 6:00 AM

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Else I'll build it tonight

tawny arch Jun 16, 2017, 6:00 AM

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thanks brotha, much appreciated!

errant pivot Jun 16, 2017, 8:43 AM

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hi all i have a question toxic blade up the damage of envenom and poison bomb ?

split sorrel Jun 16, 2017, 9:04 AM

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see #assassination pin

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I pinned it yesterday

tender junco Jun 16, 2017, 9:59 AM

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Is Pawn currently bugged?

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It's showing absurd upgrade percentages on certain items

finite thunder Jun 16, 2017, 10:06 AM

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@split sorrel how can I sim just the opener? can you give me a example ? want to test some openers and try to learn more about simc 😛

split sorrel Jun 16, 2017, 10:12 AM

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Modify the APL with right conditions or use sequences https://github.com/simulationcraft/simc/wiki/ActionLists#sequences

finite thunder Jun 16, 2017, 10:36 AM

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@split sorrel thx , got it. but how can I set it to stop after that sequence is done? without manually change the fight duration?

proper cairn Jun 16, 2017, 10:52 AM

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I'm interested as well in building my own opener but tbh I have no clue what to modify

split sorrel Jun 16, 2017, 10:54 AM

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you just put this sequence, that's it

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and remove the rest except precombat

proper cairn Jun 16, 2017, 10:56 AM

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ok

pure condor Jun 16, 2017, 12:38 PM

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how do i stopattack in sequences`

hallow gull Jun 16, 2017, 12:42 PM

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I'm simming the ToS trinkets and was wondering how the current APL treats Engine of Eradication? Does it just sim the base 12 seconds? Does it assume you pick up some orbs, and if so how many does it assume?

split sorrel Jun 16, 2017, 12:46 PM

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cancel_autoattack

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something like that @pure condor

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check the APL pre-7.2.5

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can't atm

hallow gull Jun 16, 2017, 12:53 PM

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how would I go about checking the APL? I use simc export so it uses the base APL but doesn't display it in the sim window

torn dome Jun 16, 2017, 12:53 PM

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Go to results tab

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Profile

hallow gull Jun 16, 2017, 12:58 PM

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hmmm I found the profile but i'm not entirely sure what i'm looking for, the APL makes no specific mention of the trinket, so I assume its just using the base 12 seconds and not collecting any orbs?

torn dome Jun 16, 2017, 12:59 PM

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As engine is just a proc trinket it isnt in the apl.
You would have to take a look at the results and uptimes to see this

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Or read simc engine

pure condor Jun 16, 2017, 1:04 PM

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has anyone been able to use a sequence to model the linked opener for sin? the last envenom is never buffed by mantle when i try it

hallow gull Jun 16, 2017, 1:04 PM

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📎 unknown.png

pure condor Jun 16, 2017, 1:04 PM

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actions+=/strict_sequence,name=garrote:mutilate:rupture:vendetta:toxic_blade:kingsbane:vanish:envenom:mutilate:envenom:mutilate:envenom:mutilate:envenom

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thats what i tried so far

hallow gull Jun 16, 2017, 1:05 PM

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not really sure how to read that if i'm being honest, demonic vigor is the buff but I can't seem to figure out which of those is the duration of 1 proc

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if any of them

torn dome Jun 16, 2017, 1:05 PM

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Not sure if opening the tab showed more info

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And kunrh vanish bug isnt in simc

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so it doesnt last more than 6 gcd

pure condor Jun 16, 2017, 1:06 PM

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ah ok

hallow gull Jun 16, 2017, 1:06 PM

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ah yes, it does, 24 second duration according to that, so its assuming you pick up 4 orbs

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thanks

torn dome Jun 16, 2017, 1:06 PM

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👌

hallow gull Jun 16, 2017, 1:08 PM

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or at least i assume thats what it means

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📎 unknown.png

torn dome Jun 16, 2017, 1:08 PM

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Yes

hallow gull Jun 16, 2017, 1:10 PM

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Ok, now I guess I just need to get one and have a play around with it and see how often you can get more than that 👍

torn dome Jun 16, 2017, 1:10 PM

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Highest Ive seen on ptr testing was 1:30

hallow gull Jun 16, 2017, 1:11 PM

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seems preeettty gooood

torn dome Jun 16, 2017, 1:11 PM

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And other times it was up 24 seconds out of 3 minutes.
It is just as rng as frond so take that into account when looking at sim results

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If you want consistency this might not be a choise

hallow gull Jun 16, 2017, 1:12 PM

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that and specter are the only ones that sim above my CoF and Frond, I guess Infernal cinders is potentially powerful if enough people have it

pure condor Jun 16, 2017, 1:28 PM

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sequences bugging out on me...rip

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is it possible that sequences have a max length ? sequence works fine but after adding another envenom is bugs out

split sorrel Jun 16, 2017, 1:33 PM

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don't understand your issue

pure condor Jun 16, 2017, 1:38 PM

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im still using the default apl but i place a sequence at the start to force an opener. the first example works. so it does the opener and then it resumes the rotation of the normal apl for a 6min fight

split sorrel Jun 16, 2017, 1:38 PM

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where do you put your sequence ?

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post the whole thing

pure condor Jun 16, 2017, 1:39 PM

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📎 results_html.html

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that one doesnt work

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it does the opener but then just stops

finite thunder Jun 16, 2017, 1:40 PM

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I was trying that kunrh, wasnt working. what worked for me was creating another call_action_list for the opener and creating a apl for that

pure condor Jun 16, 2017, 1:40 PM

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although its a 6min sim

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but if i remove the last envenom of the strict_sequence

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then it does work

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and it resumes the normal rotation of the apl after the opener

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@finite thunder ye i saw that too but sequence seemed more intuitive

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advantage of your way is that your can do some pooling rules

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not sure how id do that with a sequence if its even possible

finite thunder Jun 16, 2017, 1:44 PM

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yeah I know. but if you read the wiki it says : "Do you have headaches already ? Yes, sequences are tricky, they are rarely used. If you do use them, do it with caution."

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hahaha

torn dome Jun 16, 2017, 1:45 PM

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How I do it

actions+=/call_action_list,name=opener,if=time<12
actions+=/call_action_list,name=cds
actions+=/call_action_list,name=maintain
actions+=/call_action_list,name=finish
actions+=/call_action_list,name=build

# Opener
actions.opener+=/blood_fury,if=debuff.vendetta.up
actions.opener+=/berserking,if=debuff.vendetta.up
actions.opener+=/Vendetta,if=prev_gcd.1.kingsbane
actions.opener+=/Toxic_Blade,if=dot.rupture.ticking
actions.opener+=/Kingsbane,if=prev_gcd.1.toxic_blade
actions.opener+=/Vanish,if=mantle_duration=0&combo_points=5
actions.opener+=/Garrote,if=!ticking
actions.opener+=/Mutilate,if=combo_points<=3
actions.opener+=/Rupture,if=combo_points>=4&refreshable
actions.opener+=/Envenom,if=combo_points>=4&dot.rupture.ticking```

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Then just have other lists aswell

finite thunder Jun 16, 2017, 1:46 PM

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yep, almost like mine =p

torn dome Jun 16, 2017, 1:47 PM

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You can even just add the opener action list and call to default

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And should work just fine

finite thunder Jun 16, 2017, 1:47 PM

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do you know the exactly reason they dont do openers on the default apl?

torn dome Jun 16, 2017, 1:48 PM

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Depends on person. Aethys doesnt like scripted openers :p

finite thunder Jun 16, 2017, 1:48 PM

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hmm

regal agate Jun 16, 2017, 1:48 PM

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its okay for testing stuff

pure condor Jun 16, 2017, 1:49 PM

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that opener itself is interessting too weak

torn dome Jun 16, 2017, 1:49 PM

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It was one I saw in wcl

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Just going thru a bunch

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And still my subter one is best

finite thunder Jun 16, 2017, 1:50 PM

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my best result so far (for my gear) is the opener I did in my mythic Nh clear

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https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/dJ8rykCcvx1wAWpY#fight=1&type=casts&source=16&view=timeline

torn dome Jun 16, 2017, 1:53 PM

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Dropped quite a bit for my gear

tawny arch Jun 16, 2017, 1:53 PM

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Hi, is anyone able to tell me how to build a MacOS nightly build of Simc? They are only updated every few days for us lowly plebs ;9

regal agate Jun 16, 2017, 1:56 PM

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https://goo.gl/yRT6Zp (from 📌 pins)

GitHub

simulationcraft/simc

simc - Simulationcraft engine/GUI

tawny arch Jun 16, 2017, 2:00 PM

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thx ❤

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that's way above my head lol

regal agate Jun 16, 2017, 2:07 PM

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you can just use https://raidbots.com 😉

Raidbots

tawny arch Jun 16, 2017, 2:07 PM

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are the nightly updates and apls etc updated on raidbots?

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i tried some talent sims about 10 mins ago and didn't look like it was right

regal agate Jun 16, 2017, 2:08 PM

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📎 Unbenannt.png

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you can change the simc version in the settings

tawny arch Jun 16, 2017, 2:08 PM

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you're the best fuu

maiden cargo Jun 16, 2017, 5:40 PM

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Thanks for putting a higher DPS number for Outlaw Aethys, now I may have a spot for ToS

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I donate you all my love

split sorrel Jun 16, 2017, 6:29 PM

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Still waiting the donation :P

maiden cargo Jun 16, 2017, 7:25 PM

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😘 Here is a kiss for you

willow pecan Jun 16, 2017, 8:45 PM

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hmm, for some reason Simcraft iterations number is grayed out for me and i can't change the number, any idea why?

maiden cargo Jun 16, 2017, 8:46 PM

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Because you are using Target Error %

boreal patrol Jun 16, 2017, 8:47 PM

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Target Error has been change to be the default some time ago. If it's set Iterations are greyed out.

willow pecan Jun 16, 2017, 8:47 PM

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ah, thanks

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should i set it for anything else than Auto?

maiden cargo Jun 16, 2017, 8:48 PM

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0.05% error is a good setup

maiden cargo Jun 16, 2017, 9:24 PM

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I do not understand outlaw's profile, DfA with only 24%crit and 54%mastery

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DfA works with Vers>crit

timber coral Jun 16, 2017, 10:00 PM

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Is the gs/snd build(mantle/ring) correctly so close to mantle/wrist combo on the nightly? 1037k - > 1070 (925frond)910equipped bis items...

maiden cargo Jun 16, 2017, 10:02 PM

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Depends of your gear

honest trail Jun 16, 2017, 10:51 PM

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!sim

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!simcraft

maiden cargo Jun 17, 2017, 12:05 AM

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Guys do I sim with nightly or release on raidbots

split sorrel Jun 17, 2017, 12:10 AM

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nightly

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always

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Unless we say the reverse 😛

rare willow Jun 17, 2017, 12:57 AM

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sorry to bother, but how do i deactivate set bonus in simc

maiden cargo Jun 17, 2017, 12:58 AM

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In profile, gear section

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replace =1 by =0

rare willow Jun 17, 2017, 12:58 AM

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so like set_bonus=tier20_2pc=0?

maiden cargo Jun 17, 2017, 12:58 AM

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yes

rare willow Jun 17, 2017, 12:58 AM

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cool cool thanks

maiden cargo Jun 17, 2017, 3:27 AM

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I was checking out the current sims on simcrafts site and noticed that sub was simming with MfD as the lvl 100 talent, i may of missed something but isnt the MoS/DfA the way to go for that tier?

brittle phoenix Jun 17, 2017, 6:20 AM

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@maiden cargo they shortened the CD to make it competitive (for sub)

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according to sims, they were successful

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!trinkets

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are there trinket sims for tomb yet?

split sorrel Jun 17, 2017, 8:00 AM

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Yes @brittle phoenix check the new theorycrafting resources website

brittle phoenix Jun 17, 2017, 8:26 AM

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@split sorrel thanks

ionic oak Jun 17, 2017, 12:09 PM

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Hey, I'm an officer in our guild and would like some insight into the state of rogues in 7.2.5

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Obviously I can read the sims

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But is there more to it than that?

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How are the three specs looking in tomb?

split sorrel Jun 17, 2017, 12:10 PM

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Who knows ?

merry pike Jun 17, 2017, 12:12 PM

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🤤

ionic oak Jun 17, 2017, 12:12 PM

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Sure you can't really say for certain but you guys can probably make a more educated guess than I can

merry pike Jun 17, 2017, 12:12 PM

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Wrong channel

ionic oak Jun 17, 2017, 12:12 PM

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Oh

maiden cargo Jun 17, 2017, 12:13 PM

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And no we cannot

shrewd geode Jun 17, 2017, 3:33 PM

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when i do a raidbots sim with sephuz does it assume no procs?

torn dome Jun 17, 2017, 3:37 PM

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rogue module doesnt include sephuz yet

haughty escarp Jun 17, 2017, 4:09 PM

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is the new APL for simc out yet?

maiden cargo Jun 17, 2017, 4:09 PM

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Wait new nightly build 😏

haughty escarp Jun 17, 2017, 4:10 PM

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ty 😃

merry cloud Jun 17, 2017, 6:14 PM

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@torn dome it does

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How could I make sephuz + traxis research if it didn't?

torn dome Jun 17, 2017, 6:14 PM

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But didnt you have to add your own apl for sepuz

merry cloud Jun 17, 2017, 6:17 PM

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I had to add kick, yes 😃

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And make boss casting

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But it is implemented in rogues module

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That is what I am saying

torn dome Jun 17, 2017, 6:19 PM

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👍

dusty marlin Jun 17, 2017, 6:37 PM

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is there a new spreadsheet with sims how big upg the different t20 sets is for all classes?

cobalt fossil Jun 17, 2017, 7:51 PM

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is there any way how to check which potion is better?

maiden cargo Jun 17, 2017, 7:52 PM

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You can make your custom APL

cobalt fossil Jun 17, 2017, 7:52 PM

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ye i'm guessing its a single thing to change pretty much

torn dome Jun 17, 2017, 7:53 PM

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just find potion in default lines

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and swap from old_war to prolonged_power

brisk radish Jun 17, 2017, 8:37 PM

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maybe I'm doing this wrong, but is there anyway to import the rogue apl to raidbots?

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I want to try to edit the code for fun and maybe test some things if i can manage to succeed editing code

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I could probably install SimulationCraft

maiden cargo Jun 17, 2017, 8:40 PM

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Would be easier indeed

bleak sky Jun 17, 2017, 10:18 PM

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Or build it yourself

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I figured out how to do it after another night of no mac nightly

tawny arch Jun 17, 2017, 10:43 PM

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I tried to build it but didn't understand a thing 😦 Tough having a mac

bleak sky Jun 17, 2017, 10:54 PM

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How do I set the scale error in the CLT simc

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I can help you later

tawny arch Jun 18, 2017, 1:54 AM

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Thaks man, much appreciated

maiden cargo Jun 18, 2017, 2:31 AM

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How do I make outlaw sim higher than every other spec?

ornate nebula Jun 18, 2017, 2:42 AM

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!sim

ruby pine Jun 18, 2017, 7:33 AM

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!sim

woeful dagger Jun 18, 2017, 8:21 AM

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new to simc, how do i find my statweights in the results? or do i need something else for them?

proper cairn Jun 18, 2017, 8:25 AM

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enable scaling before

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📎 unknown.png

woeful dagger Jun 18, 2017, 8:32 AM

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oh shit, there it is. thanks!

solar gull Jun 18, 2017, 10:15 AM

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!sim

severe epoch Jun 18, 2017, 10:16 AM

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Does the simc APL support DS sub with DFA perfect now?

pure condor Jun 18, 2017, 10:35 AM

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apl are rarely perfect

regal agate Jun 18, 2017, 11:09 AM

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there is no "perfect" in anything. the apl is using dfa with shd to my knowledge if you refer to this interaction

halcyon falcon Jun 18, 2017, 11:10 AM

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I looked up the sample sequence, it doesn't cast shd right before the dfa-ebiscerate hits like riffs guide recommends

regal agate Jun 18, 2017, 11:28 AM

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you are right, latest simc nightly doesn't line it up.

merry pike Jun 18, 2017, 11:31 AM

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i think something else to test is whether forcing a finality buff every time is a dps gain or just using the line up combo when its up whether or not finality evis is available

regal agate Jun 18, 2017, 11:36 AM

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the window you have is probably long enough to line things up, so should be possible 😉 (with dark)

split sorrel Jun 18, 2017, 2:45 PM

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it does

old otter Jun 18, 2017, 3:21 PM

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to what should i set target error in simcraft if i use scalling?

maiden cargo Jun 18, 2017, 3:26 PM

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0.05% or less

old otter Jun 18, 2017, 3:29 PM

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ty

iron elk Jun 18, 2017, 4:15 PM

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how can be changed the cast of bloodlust?

polar flume Jun 18, 2017, 5:33 PM

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Does SimC take into account double talents due to the "Soul of the Shadowblade"?

tough dirge Jun 18, 2017, 7:50 PM

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how can i force Tier Boni regardless of gear equiped ?

maiden cargo Jun 18, 2017, 7:50 PM

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Is your goal to see the %up from it?

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set_bonus=tier19_2pc=
set_bonus=tier19_4pc=
set_bonus=tier20_2pc=
set_bonus=tier20_4pc=