pvp

[outer sky]

Remember every 1% of vers means you take 0.5% less damage

[willow tartan]

still having ptsd from a dk / warr / warr / hpala / evoker lobby from

[outer sky]

So most people sit around 20%

Im at 18%

So i take 1% more damage than average

I may lose 1/200 games because of that

But I will win maybe 5/200 games because of the extra damage I put that vers towards

At least that's how I justify it

Unless you have a breakpoint with a certain amount of stats, like sub needing ~700 haste to get 2 extra dance globals or something, then these 1 or 2% stat variations really dont matter that much

[willow tartan]

yeah, tbf i cant remember when i won a game because i was extra tanky

[potent pivot]

i mean you wouldn't run 1-2% more vers

you'd run like 5 or 10% more

assa is just as squishy as outlaw and most outlaws are running 25-30%+ vers

[outer sky]

Its squishier

No combat stam, has to vanish for damage/utility

But as assa I win most of my games by globaling somebody in a kidney with buttons most heavily buffed by mastery

Outlaw does not

So I play to buff that window as much as possible

I win more often because of the extra damage than I lose because of the extra squishiness

Calculated risk

Im also not saying everyone should do it

Im saying low vers is perfectly viable and can be optimal for some people and now that conq is uncapped its worth trying

But obv if you feel too squishy then stack more vers

[dark moon]

you have a lot more mastery than me, but im not fully geared, still have bloody token pieces etc

[outer sky]

I run crafted everything besides tier and obv trinkets

And I use engi boots and wrists with mastery

[dark moon]

shoulders and insignia

[outer sky]

Ah I use badge

That explains it

[dark moon]

i should prolly buy badge too, for bigger kingsbanes

[outer sky]

Its definitely worth to have the option

At least into comps where you can't cleave very efficiently

Kingsbane is like the perfect CD to pair with badge. It lasts 14s and badge lasts 15. Badge legit covers the entire kingsbane window

They also reduced the conquest cost of the dps trinkets this xpac

525 conquest now

They used to always be 700

[dark moon]

yeah, need 100 conq and i can buy it

i played badge s2 s3 tww, it was very nice

[outer sky]

I only played it s3

S2 I didnt even spec into deathmark LOL

[dark moon]

yeah i remember that

[outer sky]

20% in pvp bro

[potent pivot]

you aren't scaled up to pvp ilvl

[dark moon]

go to the pvp dummies

bro got triple tagged

[strange kestrel]

ive just hit the target dummies and % stayed the same, does it just dont display it ?

[dark moon]

the pvp dummies

[outer sky]

You need to hit the pvp ones

[dark moon]

you're hitting the pve dummies

[strange kestrel]

oops XD

im so sorry

[dark moon]

they are here

[strange kestrel]

im an idiot ...

yeah just hit the one next to it and saw the % change

ty

[autumn quiver]

Might be a silly question but how important is 4 set for sub? I've been away from pvp for so long that I don't even know anymore lol..

My thinking is that getting Vers & mastery is more important over 4p in pvp for both survival and increased damage with finishers but wouldn't be the first time I'm wrong lol.

FYI = Still have 8 pieces of honor gear so still fresh

[potent pivot]

!tier

[lethal roost]

Assassination: 2 set - Helm/Shoulders
Outlaw: 4 set - Helm/Shoulders/Gloves/Legs
Subtlety: 4 set - Helm/Shoulders/Gloves/Legs

[autumn quiver]

That I know but I am asking how important is it to get 4 set? Should I be getting it as quick as I can like I would in PvE or should I try and fill the other slots with conquest gear first

[potent pivot]

Weapons > tier > anything else

Always

[autumn quiver]

Alright, thanks 👍

[dark kernel]

Pshero being 60 years old but naturally having a zoomer broccoli cut hair will never not be funny

shits bussin fr fr

https://giphy.com/gifs/zoomercoin-fam-ong-bussin-7xvg9alwPIdYoov7D4

[dark moon]

You're meming his age, right?

Cause in reality hes 36

[gleaming sentinel]

LOL

[dark moon]

Whaaat?

[dark kernel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/226359213427916800/1494061236575408261/lolLockpic.gif

[analog tapir]

is this build ok ? is it better than normal sudden demise build?

[spring bough]

How’s rogue this morning

Bout to Que up some blitz. 7 more wins for strategist

[dark moon]

almost 2.1k, sir

seems solid

[analog tapir]

the talents?

[dark moon]

erm your talents too, ye

[proven elm]

Is going the dashing scoundral route better then building quad poison's? I've been flipping between the 2, but I'm not the experienced with SIn in PvP so not sure.

[dark moon]

well, to be completely honest the r1 players are saying 4 poisons + spatter makes no sense in pvp, but i had better results playing it

so its mostly personal preference based on your playstyle

[ocean thunder]

Wonder how much better is the crafted dagger over the crit one - i know mastery is the best, but is it worth sacrificing vers in a meta where we are kinda pounded?

[gleaming sentinel]

haste sub doesnt feel bad in shuffle at all

[spring bough]

dev DH still feeeling hella big out here lol

[grave basin]

Parked my toons at 2.1 so far

Keys till .07 then free 2.3 at this rate

Maybe even before .07

[dark kernel]

I've been high haste the whole time

I just finished my outlaw gear and now I'm finishing my mastery set for secondary

[gleaming sentinel]

Yea got a few items on my main outlaw and gonna push some sub

I like playing all 3 specs, keeps it interesting

[dark kernel]

I think high haste sub in real 3s is a meme though

[gleaming sentinel]

Yea I can see that

[dark kernel]

You don't have enough setup to make use of the tech on every dance

So doing mor damage in less globals is superior

[gleaming sentinel]

The sub I hit elite on is full mastery

[analog tapir]

but with this build wich poison do i have active?

[long shore]

Next week after death stalker buff, is assas going back to death stalker again?

[spring bough]

6 more wins for strategist

and que is taking forever lol

[spring bough]

ICEMAN

[gleaming sentinel]

Triple elite bro what’s good

Basically pikaboo

[gusty hedge]

[grave basin]

basically pshero

think he called it bilbo baggins challenge or something in DF

[spring bough]

i mean i been on his stream a couple times sooooo

brb renaming to Pika

[gusty hedge]

[molten sentinel]

which poisons do i use as assa rogue in solo shuffle? 🙂

[spring bough]

double rogue gilneas is always so fun,.......

[gleaming sentinel]

I’m like the pika who became a dad and was never super good to begin with

[ocean thunder]

If you play DTB you get wound, amplify as lethal and cripling and numbling

if you dont play DTB you get wound and crippling

[spring bough]

just capped GM on another rogue

[molten sentinel]

thanks^^

[stoic spruce]

Iceman anyone?

[spring bough]

ice

[spring bough]

🧊

[jaunty osprey]

No, the fatebound coin damage amp is better suited for pvp

can get some fatty kingsbanes with the apex talent

[ocean thunder]

its so hard to measure though

[jaunty osprey]

Not really

Deathstalker only gives you 20% rupture damage really nowadays

Using your mark is still annoying even with MFD

you CAN use deathstalker if you’re playing flying daggers and dropping mutilate talents when facing certain comps

But that’s really it

[jaunty osprey]

More and more people are playing my assa talents now 😎

[gleaming sentinel]

double unholy dk ret sub

kill me now

[outer sky]

I just killed this guy in a garrote silence. I'm getting the feeling this is not a genuine complement

[spring bough]

lol

[dark kernel]

"I wish I could say the same :("

[long shore]

Ah got it, the burst is it still kingsbane ?

[jaunty osprey]

Yes

[molten hedge]

Last ssn was funny with the kingsbanes coin one shots I miss it

[spring bough]

bring me back

miss those million coin crits

[molten hedge]

The 15 mil one shots in one global was hilarious

[lime oar]

https://tenor.com/view/stop-it-wriogifs-gif-3144690357904311022

[spring bough]

4 more blitz wins to go

and the ques back to being slow asf

[gleaming sentinel]

whats your mmr?

[spring bough]

2500.. i fell quite a bit lol

3 wins till strat tho

[gleaming sentinel]

think im about the same

[spring bough]

i was like 2900 lol

then went on prob a 10 game losing streak

[gleaming sentinel]

i just wanna go 1-1 forever at 2600

fast qs

none rank 1 players

get my strat and chill

lol

[willow tartan]

regarding blitz/rbg: are there updated and good ressources out there to learn how to play the role better? i am subscribed to skillcapped but it seems they havent updated the guides yet (esp. for assa / outlaw)

curently mostly tasked with defending / inc, and while not doing terrible, i have no idea what i'm doing

[gusty hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/gotcha-bitch-gotchabitch-gif-22679594

[spring bough]

big moran too busy queing sin on shuffle to write up the new guides lol

[willow tartan]

bwahaha, well, i wonder if I could just watch the old stuff

arena prob changed quite a bit but playing the role of a rogue in blitz / rbg probably didn't as drastically?

[proven kayak]

As an outlaw you more likely to bring the flag to fc and defend as an assa you one shot the fc

[spring bough]

2 wins to go

[gilded gulch]

the 2.4/2.5 bgb q's have been hella long tbh

not even 2k cr though in this bracket

[potent pivot]

[jaunty osprey]

Just had to stop trolling by logging off in random stuff xd

[spring bough]

1 more win to go boys

[proven kayak]

Yeah it’s horrendous

[spring bough]

strategist locked in boys time to relax till next season lmao

[cinder wigeon]

is deathstalker gonna be playable next reset lads?

[static holly]

Cg

[jaunty osprey]

Playable, yes

The best hero tree? Probably not

[potent pivot]

That shit feels unplayable to me

[spring bough]

be a trend setter

[quaint cedar]

grats on strategist @spring bough

[spring bough]

thanks boss. now time for legend lol

[quaint cedar]

I'm hoping to get my first legend this season. I always get elite in shuffle but by the time I get there I'm so fucking miserable and sick of the game that I just quit and never get the 50 wins for legend

But I'm close to elite rn and still enjoying the game so maybe this will be my time

[spring bough]

i usually gett bored with it too... its also a 100 wins Lmaooooo

shits kinda insane

[quaint cedar]

what really? I thought it was 50

damn

[spring bough]

glad is 50 lol

[quaint cedar]

that's going to take forever lol

[spring bough]

i might be better off chasing glad XD

[quaint cedar]

lol

hope you have better luck finding a 3s team than I did

I'm so sad I was about to hit 2300 but my warrior threw

decided to go mage all game instead of lock for some reason

why would you go frost mage as a warrior

[spring bough]

cause warrior zug zug lmaoo

[jaunty osprey]

Press garrote and forget about your mark 😂

[outer sky]

I tried it earlier and it feels extremely clunky

Like

Just

Put it back to how it was before

It was fine

[potent pivot]

I think the hero tree is just unplayable until the mark becomes a buff

[outer sky]

It was playable last xpac

They fixed what wasnt broken

[quaint cedar]

you know I saw people whining when the tuning changes were announced because "rogue got buffs"

except no one plays deathstalker lol

means nothing

[outer sky]

I agree it should be a buff but it doesnt have to be a buff to be playable

They just needed to not fuck with it

[quaint cedar]

blizz is real good at this

[potent pivot]

I think it needed changing

But they changed it to be worse instead of better yea

[potent pivot]

Mage too

Even though fire isn’t really played right?

[quaint cedar]

yeah

and frostfire tree got buffed I think? But everyone is playing the other one

spellslinger I think

so probably won't matter at all

[outer sky]

And lock

Hellcaller buffs

[quaint cedar]

I was surprised ret got nerfed

[outer sky]

They didnt nerf it where it mattered

[quaint cedar]

Doesn't stop them all from crying about it xD

Honestly think ret needs to lose some shit in its kit. They can be so OP in shuffle if they are doing good damage

[potent pivot]

Yeah but they aren’t rogue mage

Haven’t seen anyone complaining that lock got “buffed”

Just people crying that rogue and mage got “buffed”

[potent pivot]

Yep

[quaint cedar]

what also drives me nuts is when they say shit like "rogue has never been nerfed in 20 years"
these people must be living under a rock because rogue has had every single cc button heavily nerfed since SL

and whatever spec is dominant at the start of the season usually gets torched

[analog tapir]

@potent pivot who was ur ingame name ?

[outer sky]

Good luck with that

[potent pivot]

[outer sky]

I will tell you for 5m gold

[potent pivot]

The vast majority of people don’t look at tuning notes, it’s unfortunate

[potent pivot]

He thinks he knows

[outer sky]

I know the toon name you got your star eater on

[potent pivot]

[analog tapir]

wich build are u rocking then? and wich trinket?

[potent pivot]

For what

[analog tapir]

assa

shuffle

[potent pivot]

The fatebound build is in the pins

You can use either trinket

[analog tapir]

ok

[spring bough]

might be some unholy DK grinding time

DKs get popped real ez god damn lol

[quaint cedar]

blizz trolled me again

9 points away from elite and I get stuck with a R1 hunter in my lobby who goes 6-0

[potent pivot]

They’re kinda squishy

Is it just me or do more specs feel squishy this expac than tww

[quaint cedar]

A lot of specs lost defensives

[potent pivot]

Yeah

I feel like one of the only melee that’s actually tanky is sub rn

Maybe ret

[quaint cedar]

If they can remember to press one of their million defensives lol

[potent pivot]

Yeah

[quaint cedar]

even outlaw is pretty squishy now

just most people don't know it

[spring bough]

yeah full honor gear

getting smoked

back to the DH lol

doing like 15k plus dps over the next on the DH lol

[quaint cedar]

the gap between honor gear and conquest gear has gotten crazy the last few expansions. Like the ilvl difference is the same but for some reason it makes a bigger difference than it used to

at least that's what it feels like

I remember in SL I could play with honor gear or base conquest pretty easily against people with fully upgraded conquest gear

[potent pivot]

I think it’s because of the way they squished this time around but idk

Having more agi/stats feels decently impactful

Because everyone has so much stam

[quaint cedar]

Yeah that makes sense

[potent pivot]

Sometimes it feels like you can’t kill shit in full blues, depending on what spec you’re playing

[quaint cedar]

Might be a game design thing too. Less skill expression now imo

[spring bough]

DH feelin better than ever

chase some dude down rip one collapsing star and GG

[severe helm]

yeah like you get everyone to 5%

then they live

feels that way as a healer too if your gear is too low

people are just always slowly dying

have to trade cds outside of their go

feelsbad

[potent pivot]

Strange

Healers are def too weak rn

You can usually heal to like 2k in greens lmao

[quaint cedar]

Woo got my shuffle elite! Rank 36 outlaw let's goooo!

[potent pivot]

[spring bough]

[jaunty osprey]

i have it saved from when meep gave u gold

[rough rock]

It’s my turn to grind outlaw elite

Gotta get off the valorant grind

[outer sky]

Ret isnt melee

[severe helm]

arms isnt tanky?

[potent pivot]

Idk if I’d consider it tanky

It’s def more tanky than fury

[severe helm]

just like relative to all specs

[potent pivot]

You think

[potent pivot]

Idk tbh

They changed ignore pain and now they don’t even really run it

I kinda think it’s hard to say a spec is tanky if they feel required to run 30%+ vers

[severe helm]

well I think its mainly a relative thing

if they are harder to kill than all the other specs

then theyre tanky

even if they can still die

[potent pivot]

I don’t really think they are

Maybe compared to the very squishiest shit

[severe helm]

what melee would be tankier than arms

ret?

[potent pivot]

But even outlaw is more tanky than arms imo

[severe helm]

oh damn

thats surprising

outlaws biggest dr is 20% lol

but I guess it has it often

[rough rock]

i feel like most games i see an arms i just slam him

[potent pivot]

Yep

[severe helm]

outlaw doesnt feel tanky into caster cleave

thats for sure

[outer sky]

Not melee

[potent pivot]

Bruh

[rough rock]

trying to get gravedigger in a caster lobby feels rough lmao

[severe helm]

wdym get gravedigger

[rough rock]

for free reset

[severe helm]

it takes like 7 or 8 dispatches

doesnt it?

[rough rock]

yeah

[calm path]

Question if anyone can answer, I’m trying to get back into PvP and I’m 290ilvl full myth pve gear, is there any reason to grind out honor gear besides PvP trinkets? Am I good to start queing into ranked games in my pve gear?

[dark kernel]

That is straight CAP

[potent pivot]

You just need some vers

[potent pivot]

Nop

[calm path]

Thanks for the quick response!

[potent pivot]

I think too many people overlook how much DR law has and go purely off of feel

[hybrid sapphire]

none of this is rogue-ish at all. it's like.. evil alchemist themed

[stoic spruce]

So rogue

[hybrid sapphire]

no im a sneaky dagger-wielding assassin not a villainous apothacary

totally wrong fantasy

[stoic spruce]

It's not tho

[molten hedge]

yea i feel like i rarely die on outlaw

[hybrid sapphire]

this u @stoic spruce

[spring bough]

3s with a devo and a resto druid feel good on outlaw

[potent pivot]

Yeh only into certain things

After playing both I def felt more squishy on arms idk

[spring bough]

outlaw feels good survivability wise

[molten hedge]

yea even if i pre dstance and ignore pain it still feels very squishy

seems like slayer wasnt playing ignore pain but i thought colossus was maybe im wrong murlok is kinda shit

[potent pivot]

I don’t think anyone really plays ignore pain but not 100% sure

I thought it was weird af at first tbh

Surely it’s better than the healing talent

[dark kernel]

What innate DR does outlaw have right now that other rogue specs dont

I don't recall them gaining anything new. They just have stamina and the weaker feint

[spring bough]

its just outlaw idk

[dark kernel]

I legitimately believe the "outlaw is tanky" is just living on from past expansions and that makes people ignore them.

Sub rogue and Assa playing double vanish and feint talent make them objectively more tanky

[stoic spruce]

He didn't say Outlaw was as tanky or more

Just Outlaw is tanky

[dark kernel]

I guess that's true, but it just feels weird. Like in comparison to what, you know?

Like outlaw is only more tanky than......unholy/frost DK for melee and Survival hunter if you count it as melee

WW maybe too

[runic laurel]

They also generally have a few % extra dr from vers than other rogue specs and grapple can help avoid a ton of dmg

[molten hedge]

agree grapple is huge

feral in shuffle is paper also

enha is pretty squishy also

[potent pivot]

I never said it was tanky. In this context I was saying it feels tankier than arms to me.

It doesn’t really have any more inherent tankiness than the other rogue specs, but that wasn’t the point of the discussion

[gleaming sentinel]

outlaw tank spec confirmed

[spring bough]

could u imagine the forums if that happened

[stoic spruce]

When you say X is tanky, people come to their own conclusions regardless of what the context is

[spring bough]

you tell him popo

[stoic spruce]

Because it's ALWAYS "what about X Y Z spec?"

When none of those were mentioned

Like saying X is [insert trait] somehow invalidates every other spec that has the same trait. But multiple things can be true at the same time

Man this vacation opened my 3rd eye

This game blows

[nova sentinel]

If I mostly just do solo and rbgs, am I better off as Outlaw or Fury?

[potent pivot]

You mean blitz and rbg or shuffle and blitz

I don’t think either of them are super great for blitz/rbg

[nova sentinel]

All of that. Solo queues though, no guild or team

What would you recommend?

[gilded gulch]

isnt arms better

than fury

[potent pivot]

Atm yea but maybe that changes after arms nerf

Arms is def gonna be better for blitz still I’m sure

[potent pivot]

For shuffle warrior

[gilded gulch]

i mean historically neither fury or outlaw are great on average

warrior just w keys people though

less responsibility

[potent pivot]

Yeh

[gilded gulch]

sub shuffle feels good....if your teammate has a working braincell

[nova sentinel]

What would be gall first choice?

[gilded gulch]

otherwise

rough

[nova sentinel]

Y'all?

[gilded gulch]

idk asking in rogue cord

[potent pivot]

You should really just play whatever YOU choose

In any content

[gilded gulch]

if you dont want to hit/ninja bases dont play rogue though

unless outlaw isnt good at that

[halcyon timber]

Please expand thoughts concerning Outlaw. (Non inflammatory request)

[potent pivot]

He’s inflammitizing

[gilded gulch]

assa rn feels the only spec where someone trinketing like a dumbass when bomb is still on the table

can genuinely cost you the game

[spring bough]

O U T L A W

[gilded gulch]

I assume outlaw can still ninja bases

warrior mostly teamfights

idk

[nova sentinel]

@spring bough 🙂

[dark kernel]

No I'm not I'm just tired from dealing with toddler all day. And you are right you did not make a comparative statement

[potent pivot]

naw i was joking about eridian

just then

[dark kernel]

ahh

its 9:30pm and im drinking coffee so I can actually play some arena

[gilded gulch]

Bro's not slamming a monster.

[spring bough]

gotta get that yearly white monster supply

[gilded gulch]

I mean i'm only ever really tired in the daytime.

I somehow grow more awake the later it gets.

[spring bough]

is that some philosophical stuff '

[gilded gulch]

No

I just think waking before 8am should be banned.

[stiff cedar]

I wish I could drink white monster 😭 the fake sugars triggers migraines in my dad and sadly, inherited that lovely experience. 0 cal drinks are truly so OP

[spring bough]

is that that phenyl thing that like kills brain cells lol

[stiff cedar]

Maybe idk i havent like asked a doctor i just noticed so stopped

Its mainly sucralose and aspartame that are the worst and those are like, the 2 ones used to sweetener the 0 sugar drinks

Big rip

[dark kernel]

dawg the hardest part of getting elite is being able to keep my damn eyes open by the time queue pops

[potent pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/viralhog-lullaby-put-to-sleep-rock-a-bye-baby-cat-gif-11715330366274971574

[grave basin]

Queues been extremely fast at 2.1 - 2.2 so far

Had multiple sub 1min queues

[spring bough]

I’m one solo win off elite for the Devourer lol

Ques been fast

[dark kernel]

ehh

I gained 49 points

2243 on sub now

if I had cleaned a few small things those 2 matches should have probably taken me close to 2300

[gleaming sentinel]

Starting mmr is already 2070

Crazy

lol

[dark kernel]

that's actually insane

the disparity must be nuts in the middle levels because it's glad mount heaven here

probably lots of alts

[gilded gulch]

bedtime for you unc

[dark kernel]

https://giphy.com/gifs/barbershopmovie-ice-cube-barbershop-movie-the-next-cut-xThuWwSfuYtR0H2i9G

who you calling unc

[severe helm]

thats what healing is for lol

[dark kernel]

honestly would be smart on my part but I've legitimately never healed, even in pve, a single time in 20 years

[severe helm]

welp

I think healing gives perspective

[dark kernel]

undoubtedly would

i gained 50 points tonight and probably played like shit

[spring bough]

I’m only ever doing it if void disc or fistweaver is good 😂

[molten hedge]

Undoubtedly. One of my first shuffles ever healing. On hpri. I have 2 warriors against devoker and destro lock. They both mount up and ride up the ramp on nokhudon. One leaps to the left to attack Devoker. One leaps to the right. I grip both back bc they’re splitting my los. They both charge opposite sides of the map, and both die without pressing wall. That was about it for me on my healing journey

[severe helm]

just remember

that

moment

when you trash talk your healer

think about all the dipshits they had to go through

to get to where they are

the mental required to be a healer is litearlly infinitely higher than any dps

in shuffle

[molten hedge]

I believe it

[severe helm]

dead ass

[mystic tundra]

I always remember playing pres last expansion and literally having mages/hunters/locks play so far apart that if I stood directly between them I wasn't in range to heal either. I'm surprised no monitors were smashed

[pastel burrow]

its why whenever healers crash out in shuffle i just hit them with the "its okay man"

"its okay"

they're all victims in that bracket

[mystic tundra]

Im always chill to healers except hpals lol when people die and they just have every cd available it triggers me

[gilded gulch]

i know a healer who didnt complain

except about warrior players

[wanton breach]

honest qestion, why is devourer not getting touched

their survivability and burst is insane

[wanton breach]

HOW IS PRES EVOKER NOT NERFED YET

HOLY FUCK

this spec is immune to all cc forever

while casually healing everything

the upcoming nerfs are not enough to compensate for this amount of ridiculousness

[dark moon]

im being part of some demonic lobbies recently

if i say they are all "zug zug" im not even going to start describing it

[outer sky]

Reduced shroud duration by 1s

Needed to be 2s imo

[dark moon]

my last lobby was pres evoker, disc priest, 2 arms warriors and uh dk

pres is not real i swear

whats up with the 50% cc reduction shout from warriors

press that button and go in

[outer sky]

Shiv it off

Rogue is hilariously good into turbo

This such a good meta for us

[dark moon]

its on the healer

[outer sky]

Shiv it off lol

[dark moon]

i mean on everyone but

yeah, just cant sap in the opener

[outer sky]

Still worth for blackjack

Playing assa into turbo it feels almost impossible to lose

Especially pres turbo

[dark moon]

what was turbo

[outer sky]

Warr/enhance

[dark moon]

that was war/war or dk/war

tsg i guess

i managed to kill evoker, which was nice

[outer sky]

Rogue does really good into all of the meta classes rn

The only thing is

If the warrior is a god

He can make it hard for you

[dark moon]

really? im dogshit then, cause i have super hard time being trained until my healer runs out of cds and i just die

[outer sky]

What comp are you playing

[wanton breach]

intervene at the right time and poof goes the burst

[dark moon]

is it worth going war at all btw

[outer sky]

Yes

Vs turbo we usually go warrior and do swaps on the healer

[wanton breach]

frost dk going 6-0 cause ret and frost mage used a total of 2 bubbles and 2 ice blocks over 6 rrounds

[outer sky]

I mean if youre shutting down the shaman's burst its reallu hard to lose

[wanton breach]

people do not respect the burst

[dark moon]

had a lobby like that, just managed to kill the frost dk out of spite

he was gripping the healer and globaling him

[outer sky]

Vs frost DKs its a free win if you can just survive their opener

Because they'll IBF your stun and trinket your disarm

[dark moon]

gouge

btw how do we deal with doomblade

[outer sky]

Doomblade?

You press mutilate

And it applies it auto

[dark moon]

yeah but

do we try to keep it up on two targets or

just the target we are on?

[outer sky]

Just your main target is fine

[dark moon]

interesting thing happened with crimson tempest

vs war dk

i pressed it more than 6 times and i couldnt bleed the dk

his pets soaked all my bleeds from the tempest

annoying af

[outer sky]

Yeah

Huge Scent stacks though

[dark moon]

true

[grave basin]

Noice, elite next

[dark moon]

🫡

[outer sky]

I think this season im going to get glad befor i get legend which is crazy

[dark moon]

my dmg meter doesnt work in arena tho

[outer sky]

Already almost have half my glad wins

[dark moon]

i need to find somebody to play 3s for the mount, i like it

but im guessing glad is still sweaty af

[copper maple]

Have you guys encountered absurdly high World latency in arena? I was sitting in Silvermoon, 50 home ms, 70 world ms. Shuffle queue pops and I'm playing whole game with 270+ world ms. Is there anything I can do to decrease the chances of this happening or just unluckily trolled by blizzard servers once?

[grave basin]

I wanna try for glad but lfg is just must be 5k exp and awc champion

😔

[dark moon]

same

[grave basin]

That said shuffle rn is just insane below 2.1

[copper maple]

Start your own group in lfg and make the rules 🙂

[grave basin]

Just absolute demons

Hunters dying with turtle and zero healer traps

Just brute forcing with pve damage on BM

Played on my dk against this aff lock and he was getting trained every game, was looking like an 0 6 for him

When i got him for the final 2 rounds told him to play long gate and gate from platform to platform on tigers edge

The ww/dev dh just kept chasing him all game and i just spam chains/gripped the ww

Managed to get him 2 wins, although the dev/ww coulda just tab targetted and melted me but the zug is too stronk

[dark moon]

what is this lobby

kekw

[grave basin]

Kill the resto lobby

[dark moon]

resto what

both resto?

its a 0-6 angle, cause everybody knows better

kekw

[grave basin]

Cant you sap both dps and full send the rsham get trinket wall and kill him next deathmark

Just need to cover the ret but youre starting triple stealth

[dark moon]

nah, the sub rogue was the main character

[grave basin]

Hell you probably dont even need to pop anything and the rsham will panic press every cd just from the sub's blades go

[dark moon]

"let me stun, follow me"etc

did nothing

all their switches were idiotic

ret LOH-ed the healer twice

from ~10% hp

to full

also be blinded our kill target

which screwed me so hard

[wanton breach]

i keep seeing afflocks using succubus

and noone interrupts it

or cc's it

[outer sky]

Did you win any?

[dark moon]

1

with the ret paladin

that was is insane

he went 5-1

actually im not sure if he went 5-1

but yeah

resto druid died last round, was prolly gonna cheese a 2-4

i just hate it when they are all over the place vs me

and with me they just flop

[outer sky]

If you went 1-5 then another dps mustve gone 5-1

[dark moon]

there are a lot of duplicate classes it feels like

last 3 lobbies we were 2 rogues

2 shamans

2 priests

2 warriors

[outer sky]

Do you know Kleptomancy?

[dark moon]

have they made any chances to how the game forms the lobby?

[outer sky]

No

Think theyre sticking with this

[dark moon]

sounds familiar but im not sure

[outer sky]

Its more predictable

But theres 1 glaring issue

With this

Like the way they do the lobby shuffling now

If one dps wins the 1st 4 games

Then that means another dps mustve lost the first 4 games

And after the 1st 4 games we dont yet know if that winner is the lobbys hero or if the loser is the zero

But that gets in that persons head

The one who lost 4 games

And they start playing like they're the 0

When the other guy is the hero

Ive seen this many times

[grave basin]

Literally just the example i gave of the aff lock lol

[outer sky]

Yep

It happens all the time

[dark moon]

searing glare should get removed

[outer sky]

Yeah 10000%

[dark moon]

4 seconds of that + stuns + blinds + loh + bop/magic bop + freedom + bubble + wog

[outer sky]

Sanc

[dark moon]

that too, yeah

ok tell me the strats now

do we go war ?

i have no idea how to play with a ret

[outer sky]

Yeah warr but you can swap on the dk and pally too

[dark moon]

i want to swap pala

okay

[outer sky]

Swap pally on sac

If you record your games I can review them for you

[dark moon]

i forgot to set the recording thingy

yeah now im just tilted and throwing the games

[wanton breach]

@outer sky i just played a double ret lobby at 2150 CR, can you guess how many sancs were used?

[outer sky]

0

[wanton breach]

https://klipy.com/gifs/bingo-hans-landa

thinking about faction changing my disc priest to undead or maybe racechange to nelf, voidelf feels so useless

[dark moon]

ofc zero bops on me

zero saps too

[outer sky]

Velf is good for priest i think. Idk about BiS but port>fear is pretty handy

[dark moon]

everybody is just pressing w

nah they were just throwing the game

they win vs training my healer

but when i suggest they said we cant

-22

thats it for the day

[outer sky]

Damn

[dark moon]

i hate playing with ruskys

i sapped zero times

my guys are just rushing in

like complete morons

[outer sky]

Happens to all of us

[dark moon]

this tilts me the most of anything

literally means that they dont want to win

[outer sky]

Tilt queueing is the enemy of rating gains

[dark moon]

yeah

we can actually have fun if rets and pres evokers are not in the game

[outer sky]

Pres is annoying but manageable imo

Ret is DISGUSTING

[wanton breach]

I disagree, i think rets are more manageable, at least in shuffle

[outer sky]

That just seems crazy to me. What mmr are you at?

Pres only has 1 button they can press while stunned and they have no mitigation they just get globaled without trinket or commune. They cant even wall while silenced. They can just die unless they have a ret to make them immortal

[wanton breach]

2.1-2.2

nooone even looks their way most of the time

[dark moon]

the state of shuffle is

logged on alt demo lock to play like 1 lobby

i face blood dk that only disrupts me

and is 2nd on dmg in arena

actually no

1st

did more dmg than ww monk and dev dh

[wanton breach]

a lot of that is probably padding on your pets

dunno if blood dk gets funnel?

[dark moon]

i swear pvp is bad on my mental

like i would actually feel like a different person if i didnt have the damn pvp itch

fuck my life

[grave basin]

Do some keys

It's hella fast to catch up on gear rn

[dark moon]

what for

[grave basin]

For taking your mind off pvp

And just blast

[dark moon]

you dont understand

that was supposed to be my time off pve, my happy place

[dark moon]

not bragging or anything, just wanted to unwind in some shuffle

biggest mistake

[lone jasper]

i feel you 😄

[lone jasper]

almost everygame. and if u say something to them they go afk 😄

actually having fun in 2v2 arenas, unless I run into a Pres Evoker + Devastation comp

[proven kayak]

I don’t want to life coach you or some but I am an athlete that I had this problem with my sport and games don’t be result oriented helps a lot and having every game even the one your teammates int as a sample and not as a result helps a lot with mental

Also it’s not that serious if you becoming better you eventually climb

[orchid plinth]

<@&224906552333697025>

uh I am not sure this is the correct way to report spam but yeaaaah

[tired crypt]

!ban @arctic crown spam/compromised account

[jolly sierra]

dude i was playing pvp the other day and got surprised assa even as main target in SS barely died once

they were noodles in past what happened

[copper maple]

Do we support nationalism in this chat, fellow rogues?

[proven kayak]

Hmmm I kinda disagree you need to be very careful trading your defenses

[jolly sierra]

ye dude did very good feints

and yes, trading cds is the usual but i say he endured more than expected

in past even trading u got fucked up heavily

[wintry dew]

https://tenor.com/view/panda-spinning-spinning-panda-giant-panda-cute-panda-gif-4148261905191282079

[dark moon]

dont twist my words, but it so happens to get my games thrown from certain people

and essentially i dislike people that dont try to win

[wanton breach]

i love going 2-4 cause some fucking imbecile doesnt use their defensives

healer in CC? let me just hover out of los without pressing any other buttons

makes me want to punch through a monitor

third lobby in a row

[potent pivot]

[copper maple]

People say "damn russians" when someone throws their game just because it's easy to identify people from russian realms (because obviously cyrillic). Nobody cares that a russian speaker from any country could be playing on those realms. For some reason I don't see anyone saying "damn italians" when someone from Pozzo dell Eternita throws a game. People tunnel vision on cyrillic letters and go angry and political.
I've had a guy trolling a shuffle lobby cause he "refuses to play with russians". He didn't care he's sabotaging everyone and himself by doing this.

I also never played on russian realms btw so I haven't experienced many issues my friends mentioned.

[gusty hedge]

it used to be Ragnaros that got the Heat

[potent pivot]

i don't think its that deep

there just happens to be a lot of cheating/win trading coming from players with russian names right now

[gleaming sentinel]

Boys I’m sorry but i made an assa set on my main rogue

[copper maple]

Maybe in some more organised higher level bracket, not in shuffle at 2.1k elo.

[potent pivot]

i think you'd be surprised idk

[copper maple]

PvP can't be that dead that you can consistently meet same people in random matchmaking queue to trade wins.

[potent pivot]

at certain times of the day you can for sure

[dark moon]

you dont need to play on russian realms to experience the joy

[dark moon]

not only now - always

[copper maple]

I do to experience the joy of not getting invited in LFG.

[solid kernel]

Whats % of vers is optimal?

and haste?

for pvp

[potent pivot]

spec?

[solid kernel]

!spec

[lethal roost]

All Specs are good and have niches and strengths that they play to. All three specs are looking viable with Assassination/Subtlety being preferred in raids. Mythic+ meta has not solidified yet but Assassination looked promising during beta.

Be aware that Simulations are a tool to be used to compare things like talents/gear/rotations, they are not the definite answer to what is meta or not meta. While outlaw is ahead in sims right now, especially dungeonslice, you have to take a step back and realize these are synthetic/generic situations that we use as a baseline. Dungeonslice has always been a great showing for outlaw simply due to the fight style matching well with the spec. This is not unusual or unheard of.

You can view logs of the raid when it comes out Here, or view the mythic+ run leaderboard Here.

[solid kernel]

sub

SUB

caps

!stats

[lethal roost]

These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.

• Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Haste>Crit
• Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
  You want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw to lower the GCD during Adrenaline Rush. (25% for Trickster for energy)
• Subtlety: Vers>Haste to 200 OR 600-700>Mastery>Crit
  Sub now uses a haste threshold to extend Dance and shorten Secret Technique's CD.
  Sub haste rating chart:
  https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923898501529600/1483399511836725378/image.png?ex=69bc6d33&is=69bb1bb3&hm=21db8524f3add252a5f7556c91a39c6d076b5cbf29926a0ff3de6f1dad996660&

[potent pivot]

you gotta chill

[dark moon]

pvp lfg or pve?

[potent pivot]

lmao

[solid kernel]

LMAO MB

[potent pivot]

sub is fine with ~20% vers

[solid kernel]

700 haste - 20% vers - the rest mastery?

[potent pivot]

depends on what bracket you focus

[copper maple]

I've heard about pve mainly cause my friends don't pvp. Probably applies everywhere. People just unselect russian realms in lfg.

[solid kernel]

I want burst

[potent pivot]

if you play shuff mainly, high haste is good

for blitz, the ~200 haste build

[solid kernel]

for 3's or 2's?

[jolly sierra]

me feinting

[dark moon]

++

[potent pivot]

for 2s prob 200

for 3s it depends on comp

[solid kernel]

2's 200, ok ok got u

3's RMP?

[potent pivot]

200

for pve comps high haste

sp, lock, etc

[solid kernel]

got u

thank u

everything make sence

[dark kernel]

Dude inflation is no joke

Last week 2300 in shuffle was top 30

It's now like top 80

[copper maple]

I feel like the initial mmr you get decides how much rating most of us can really push.

Solo queues are often a 50/50 thing in games and you can't really climb in shuffle by going 3-3 on unless your mmr is above your cr

Unless you play some giga broken spec, but I don't think there's any busted enough to push anyone to high rating (like early dragonflight ret lol).

[spring bough]

How’s rogue today

[wintry dew]

I'm good hbu

[spring bough]

bout to slam some heroic voidsphere

[gleaming sentinel]

Kingsbane go brrrrrrt

[copper maple]

Do you guys have an addon to track self drs btw?

[grave basin]

pressing w to 2.1 on rogue

then moving on to frost mage maybe

[dark kernel]

myDRs

[spring bough]

W

[grave basin]

it do be like that

[dark moon]

I love this question, it's like checking in on us, the rogue class the game and everything

[grave basin]

he's asking the syndicate hows plundering stormwind today

[dark moon]

I need 2 good lobbies for 2.3

That, too

[spring bough]

just need a nice 4-2 on the DH and he is elite

its nice doing dmg for once XD

[grave basin]

legit just

press W

whats next frost mage or arms

[dark moon]

Arms

Mine is almost 90

[grave basin]

might go for 5x elite this saason

then see if i can push 5x legend

[gleaming sentinel]

legend grind begins

[dark moon]

I have played very little pvp compared to tww, but it feels so weird

Legend is what 100 wins above 2.3k?

[iron viper]

Thats correct yeh

They soon rack up though, just gotta beat the queue time

[dark moon]

We shall see. After we kill lura I think ill m+ and shuffle only for the rest of the season

Might give it a go if queues are okay

[spring bough]

68 wins to go for me but first I gotta get back to 2300 😭

[potent pivot]

@merry girder

[merry girder]

my bad, sorry. if there are any contacts to discuss questions like promotion etc.?

[proven elm]

How much haste are we looking to have on SIN rogue? 20% 15% 10%?

[dark moon]

!stats

[lethal roost]

These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.

• Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Haste>Crit
• Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
  You want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw to lower the GCD during Adrenaline Rush. (25% for Trickster for energy)
• Subtlety: Vers>Haste to 200 OR 600-700>Mastery>Crit
  Sub now uses a haste threshold to extend Dance and shorten Secret Technique's CD.
  Sub haste rating chart:
  https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923898501529600/1483399511836725378/image.png?ex=69bc6d33&is=69bb1bb3&hm=21db8524f3add252a5f7556c91a39c6d076b5cbf29926a0ff3de6f1dad996660&

[potent pivot]

none

[proven elm]

perfect I'm mostly full mastery atm

[potent pivot]

i mean there is any shadows/shadowblades/CFs, but there is not much to go over as far as promotion

there is the streamer role/channel, that's about it

[merry girder]

yeah, as streamer i ve seen, thought if we have there stream promotions so we have video promotion as well, but anyway sorry for breaking rules!

[potent pivot]

nbd

[solid kernel]

Alrighty went ahead and geared myself up

What should I change @potent pivot

Reduce vers and add more mastery?

I have the minimal amount of haste i can get

Trying to know the best best, like vers % to go for,

U told me 20, so i shoulndt try to go for 25 right?

Im still missing enchantments, and gems , thats why im trying to figure it out 1st

[potent pivot]

Show the whole gear window

Like the actual gear pieces

[potent pivot]

But yeah you can go a bit less vers

Lemme see

Those are the vers mast pve daggers right

[solid kernel]

Yup

From the raid

[potent pivot]

You have tier legs and not chest

And 1 conq ring instead of 2 crafted

[solid kernel]

Does it change something?

Ik its heavier on vers

[potent pivot]

More mastery on crafted ring

[solid kernel]

Ok ok

[potent pivot]

And from tier chest

[solid kernel]

Really the sweet spot for VERS is 20% from what im understanding

[potent pivot]

For sub yeah

Sub is quite tanky

[solid kernel]

ok ill cook something

Thx again trickz

Idk why I thought i had to go for 25-30%

[potent pivot]

If you’re staying around the ~200 haste threshold the only haste you need is from tier set and insignia really

[solid kernel]

Ya, i dont have any other source of haste

other than my human race that gives me 2% more

[potent pivot]

But the tier legs and gems are pushing you a bit high

[solid kernel]

Cause of my Gems

I have some Haste gems 😛

Im switching it up

[potent pivot]

Ye and legs

[potent pivot]

Most other specs do rn because everything is kinda squishy this season

[solid kernel]

hmm ok ok

the % damage u get from more vers

is not more worth

than the burst from mastery

then

[potent pivot]

Naw it’s terrible

[solid kernel]

lmfao got u

[potent pivot]

Haste and mastery are better for damage itself

vers would be the worst dmg stat in the game for almost every spec in the game

if it weren't for crit dmg being nerfed in pvp

[solid kernel]

i see

im cooking something rq i think its going to be good

[rough rock]

But trick…murlok says…

I can feel your blood boiling from here

[spring bough]

whatever murlok says im copying

[potent pivot]

😣

[rough rock]

My 32% vers mid season was a product of this

[spring bough]

just completed my mythic rogue mog set

season over GG

[severe helm]

It's not even worth more than the flat damage let alone the burst

If vers was your best DPS stat your spec would stack it indefinitely in pve as well cuz it has a defensive component to it too

It would be op

Vers inherently should be tuned to be one of your worst stats in terms of DPS value

They've fucked up and missed the mark though in the past on a few specs like WW and outlaw

[solid kernel]

@potent pivot WE CHILLIN?

[dark moon]

No medallion?

[solid kernel]

Got both

[potent pivot]

medallion is the CC break trinket

[solid kernel]

ya

i switch

cause of human race

[potent pivot]

looks fine, but i'd still swap out tier legs for tier chest when you have extra conquest

[solid kernel]

i have this

[potent pivot]

just to trade that last bit of extra haste for mastery

[potent pivot]

?

[solid kernel]

i think its the same right?

as tier set pvp chest

[spring bough]

exact same

[solid kernel]

okok

so ill buy the

Vers Mastery pants then

[spring bough]

i just spotted a wild FIRE mage in a solo shuffle.....

[potent pivot]

craft

tf am i looking at

[gleaming sentinel]

Violetto?

[spring bough]

mamatchambra

[potent pivot]

thought i was looking at outlaw for a minute

why is almost every sub using tier pants lmao

[gleaming sentinel]

prob cuz it makes it easy to get 200 haste?

those, shoulders and trinket

idk

[solid kernel]

Why not, get the original tierset pants, and change the glove?

Glove has Crit Haste (2 stats i dont want)

Pants has Haste Vers, (1stack i dont want)

7 haste difference from both, 1 I garantee mastery over crit

but i get it that its 7 stat completely lost if its haste

[potent pivot]

!tier

[lethal roost]

Assassination: 2 set - Helm/Shoulders
Outlaw: 4 set - Helm/Shoulders/Gloves/Legs
Subtlety: 4 set - Helm/Shoulders/Gloves/Legs

[potent pivot]

you can probably just keep the legs at that point

don't think it rly matters

lot of ppl are using legs now compared to early on

seems weird to me but they prolly just don't like that chest is crit heavy

[solid kernel]

ya

seems weird to me too

[potent pivot]

you get to the 200 haste regardless tbh

[solid kernel]

trying to think of something

[potent pivot]

doesn't matter what 4p pieces you use, as long as you use insignia

[solid kernel]

i think

[potent pivot]

i'd just keep on keepin on with what you have

at this point

a tiny change like this won't make much diff

but i would drop badge and run medallion if i were you

in most situations

[solid kernel]

ya

got u thx u

[potent pivot]

running double dps trinkets is fun but not exactly 'good' to do in a competitive setting

[spring bough]

so fire mage is complete ass in solo shuffle lol

they doing sub 20k dps lol

[potent pivot]

so fire mage is complete ass*

fixed it for ya

[spring bough]

just hit elite on the DH

#showtooltip Disrupt
/cleartarget
/targetenemy
/cast Disrupt
/targetlasttarget
/startattack

interrupt macro should be banned on devourer

too OP

30 yards interrupting w/e lol

[static holly]

Cg

[gleaming sentinel]

am i the next great assa rogue?

(no)

[spring bough]

@outer sky got nothing on that

[dark moon]

Zicore been very quiet since that screenshot dropped

[solid kernel]

Used AI for this shit but @potent pivot heres the difference if i was to go glove vs pants

1080vers = 20% vers btw

[molten hedge]

What wong with 123 kick

[spring bough]

idek what that is

[potent pivot]

That can be different for anyone I think

Based on racials

[solid kernel]

Ya

but thats for my case

I think switching the glove is better

Yes I overcapp haste over the 196 recommanded by more

but i get too much crit if i switch the pants over the glove

[potent pivot]

!stats

[lethal roost]

These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.

• Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Haste>Crit
• Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
  You want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw to lower the GCD during Adrenaline Rush. (25% for Trickster for energy)
• Subtlety: Vers>Haste to 200 OR 600-700>Mastery>Crit
  Sub now uses a haste threshold to extend Dance and shorten Secret Technique's CD.
  Sub haste rating chart:
  https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923898501529600/1483399511836725378/image.png?ex=69bc6d33&is=69bb1bb3&hm=21db8524f3add252a5f7556c91a39c6d076b5cbf29926a0ff3de6f1dad996660&

[potent pivot]

i'd just keep what you got

[solid kernel]

Why does it say GCD is secret when u enter pvp ?

is it not 1.00?

[solid kernel]

okok thx u

[spring bough]

cause blizz = no fun

[solid kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/grr-grrr-grrrr-grrrrr-grrrrrr-gif-11468024821216396093

[spring bough]

do i play DK in solo today or level the hunt from 88 to 90 and do survival or BM

[potent pivot]

because most stuff becomes secret on entering combat

your GCD never changes as sub

[solid kernel]

Thanks

[molten hedge]

Arena 123 lol

Most ppl here are rog/melee mains, so it’s understandable 123 isn’t as common. With a ranged kick, 123 is ideal

[outer sky]

?

[spring bough]

PK coming for ur solo rating lol

[outer sky]

Think ima be aight lol

[spring bough]

i just let it send on w/e is casting lol

[spring bough]

getting gear on tthe DK and its starting to feel good

[gleaming sentinel]

https://tenor.com/view/alonzo-mourning-gary-payton-miami-heat-epiphany-realization-gif-21220154

[stoic spruce]

Stand on business Pk

[gleaming sentinel]

https://tenor.com/view/check-list-bj-novak-taking-down-notes-writing-gif-13757327

[spring bough]

DK life feels ez mode

[silver field]

Any Ambush / Backstab rogues here? Curious to know what the talent build looks like

[gusty hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/zero-no-none-empty-answer-gif-14588123

[hexed karma]

any advice for pushing BGB I am stuck at 2.1 and want the elite tabard?

[formal kettle]

is blood elf viable for pvp in tbc?

[potent pivot]

assuming you mean classic, we don't really discuss classic here

there are other servers for rogue classic linked in #classic-discussion pins

[silver field]

nah im talking tbc

ur not taking this from me

[potent pivot]

tbc, classic, same thing

[spring bough]

low mmr blitz is absolutely traumatic

[potent pivot]

this server is retail focused

[silver field]

oh god

https://tenor.com/view/im-out-im-done-gone-bye-gif-14331061352776093889

[hexed karma]

any advice bro?

[spring bough]

"how are we losing we won every fight" meanwhile im calling our cart and no1 is peeling to take it lol

[hexed karma]

show me your talents

[spring bough]

im playing DK right now lol

[hexed karma]

imposter

[solid kernel]

Ok now im goated

20% Vers, 210Haste

[hexed karma]

haste as sub rogue eh?