pvp

[rough rock]

I’m sorry but what

This is troll or you have fast boot enabled

[potent pivot]

It’s for all brackets. A lot of people on ladder are running DtB+SD and no zoldycks, but they are highly misinformed unfortunately

[rough rock]

Project lasso works for just about everything

It’s super easy to do

[potent pivot]

Likely all following bad guides and copying each other

[rough rock]

To be fair they were ancient

[sleek arrow]

Any good addon for DR tracking above target nameplate in blitz?

[rough rock]

Getting your url cucked and download link hijacked is peek script kiddy behavior lmao

[molten hedge]

Yeah I think I am bc whaazz was. I was asking what build to run ik Ivan posted some

[potent pivot]

There’s an addon list in the pins

MidnightDR is the nameplate one

[potent pivot]

Ye I tried to tell him that build was troll

But he doesn’t know me like that so

[molten hedge]

Damn I needa change it then

Are Ivan’s builds posted in pins

[sleek arrow]

Says it doesnt work in bgs?

[potent pivot]

No addon does

DRs in BGs were restricted by blizz

[potent pivot]

Ivan’s builds?

[spring bough]

just hooked to a mage with a dispatch and killed him before bubble LMAO

[molten hedge]

Lmaooo I just remember he had a few

[potent pivot]

Ye basically every combination of capstones because you can viably run any combo really

But the ones we agreed were best are the ones in the pins

I already had the Zold+DTB pinned since week 1 iirc

But added the Zold+SD cuz he said it was also quite good

[potent pivot]

I might level my outlaw tonight

Fk it

[molten hedge]

https://klipy.com/gifs/clapping-applause-98

[spring bough]

its a good time

[jaunty osprey]

Not updated for mutilate talents

:^)

[potent pivot]

bruh

cuh

[jaunty osprey]

Or was it

[potent pivot]

You even said you weren’t sure about running em

[jaunty osprey]

I dont play deathmark or sudden demise or zoldycks or dtb

[potent pivot]

[potent pivot]

I just really didn’t wanna do 3 rogues this expansion ngl

Already got high haste and low haste sub rogues

[severe helm]

cant the high haste rogue just be an outlaw

just a mainhand away

[potent pivot]

Nah

Would need more haste and vers

[spring bough]

Sub

[final dew]

only keybinding. First thoughts: im ass, i need practice, rotation and targeting is probably 200% faster, huge difference

im locked in to learn

[severe helm]

where are your unmod keybinds haha

[potent pivot]

Finally

[severe helm]

im really hoping alt 8 is something you press on your mouse

[potent pivot]

Ye those are just hotkeys

He has a Tartarus

Idk if that’s what he’s using but I’d assume so

[potent pivot]

You should use num lock numbers instead of modifier as the hotkey in the program

Because you should learn how to USE modifiers properly later too

[final dew]

Tartarus is left hand, Cyro for right hand. The layout you see on the bars is exactly how it is on my physical button layout

to help with memory

[potent pivot]

Your Tartarus buttons are hot keyed to alt 1-0 right

In razer synapse

If so I’d def recommend making them numlock1-0

U can use the joystick on ur Tartarus as alt,ctrl,shift

Makes using modifiers quite easy

[potent pivot]

Since it’s ur thumb and not pinky

[potent pivot]

Yea ur eating up good modifier binds doing it like this

Some of them are technically fine cuz you’d never use alt-6,7,8

But ctrl1,2,3 are good binds

[untold lotus]

yeah I perused a couple top ranking shuffle players and they were running dtb sd so I've just been running with that up to 1600ish in shuffle. I'll give Z SD a shot as I just think the SD execute is funny.

I assume Z SD could be better for spread bleed vs Z DTB being slightly better for single target?

[final dew]

Modifier binds with what purpose? Like normal bind is main target, modifier is focus type stuff?

[potent pivot]

Pretty much but both do very similar burst with kb/dm. that’s why Zold is rly good

[untold lotus]

kb is insane this season

assa is underrepped for how good it is from what I've seen

ty for the feedback

[potent pivot]

For sure

[untold lotus]

feels way more powerful than my feral

[potent pivot]

For legit any purpose you may find yourself needing in the future

Get used to just using binds for a while first ofc

[final dew]

The switch to binds has not been nearly as hard as i thought, though i will say i panic button mash far too often. Should improve with practice

[potent pivot]

It will improve over time a lot yeah

[severe helm]

yeah its on by default since like windows 8

so it saves memory state and reloads it when booting

[rough rock]

Unless your computer is from windows 8 era it’s like a 5 second boot difference

Just saves it in your volatile ram

[severe helm]

im just telling you why it happened haha

its how windows comes by default

99% of this discord probably has it the same

so figured id share my experience

in case anyone else might have been encountering a similar problem

[outer sky]

quiet

we need to sandbag for buffs

rep is so low we may actually get em

0 play in AWC helps too

even another 4-5% would be huge

[safe moss]

does anyone know if this helmet will be better than hyper-vision in P2 for pvp? (tbc)

[untold lotus]

Assa is unplayable and everyone should roll mw and sub rogue

[potent pivot]

We only discuss retail here

Check the pins in #classic-discussion for classic wow discord server links

[potent pivot]

[safe moss]

bruh they told me to come here

lol

[hybrid palm]

gg, ez 2300 feral blitz

[potent pivot]

Who

[rough rock]

Oh you’re good lmao I didn’t mean to come off rude or anything

[severe helm]

yeah its pretty dumb I generally use shut down cuz restart in the past has caused me issues with certain applications trying to resume where they left off like chrome reopening tabs

but shut down cuz its quick boot by default also has its own issues

pain in the ass

ive been looking at every addon I have over the past few weeks trying to figure this out

[rough rock]

i use a custom os so most of that shit is always off for me anyways

[spring bough]

bout to creep closer to duelist in shuffle

50 rating to go boys

Almost ripped a 5-1 missed it tho 😭

[gusty hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/wolf-of-wall-street-lets-goo-gif-11742735383203550293

[jolly sierra]

i am happy for my elite pvp set in mop classic

i got it like 13 years ago back in the day in retail, just now completed it

[dark kernel]

Hell yeah. I need to push my 2k today

I played my last round in such awful xonsition

[hybrid sapphire]

good evening rogues whats the good news

[vocal surge]

Tuesday is 1 day closer

[potent pivot]

Outlaw nerfs inc

[hybrid sapphire]

ive seen ONE outlaw soooo

[spring bough]

yeah nope more sub nerfs thats it

[potent pivot]

Because they’re all hiding at 3k mmr

[potent pivot]

You know nerfs are coming this week

Next week MAX

[hybrid sapphire]

mashallah

[potent pivot]

WALLAHI

[stoic spruce]

MASHALLA HABIBI

A THOUSNAD BLESSINGS TO OUTLAW

[lime oar]

assa is terrible needs more buffs

like a lot more

[hybrid sapphire]

i agree sister

[lime oar]

unplayable fr

kingsbane def does no damage at all…

[hybrid sapphire]

needs a 2.0x multiplier

[stoic spruce]

I'll be busy

Please farm noobs in my stead

Let them feel cold steel pressed against their temple

[potent pivot]

A million curses upon your bloodline

[stoic spruce]

Change of plans

@vocal surge annihilate NoTrickz

[vocal surge]

https://tenor.com/view/long-john-silver-long-john-peter-pirate-laugh-pistol-pete-gif-8301819100936657449

We got this ez

[stoic spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/wwwaitimgoated-waitimgoated-goated-ac130-gif-9986618762488492390

[rough rock]

FINALLY

only took almost 200 gamers to get out of mmr hell

[spring bough]

send the COD nuke gif

[stoic spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/call-of-duty-gif-22862644

BOOWEEEMP BOOWEEMP BOOWEEMP

[hybrid sapphire]

mage shortage mage shortage

[outer sky]

lol gg @rough rock

[rough rock]

i knew that was fucking you

Whole team sat one cart and did negative damage losing to 4 of you guys 😭

[outer sky]

yeah it took 4 of you guys to wipe 2 of us LOL

[rough rock]

Asked like 400x for some help on other carts

sin 1v1 bleed damage is gross

its either cloak or die lmao

que again

[outer sky]

cloak doesnt save you from bleeds

its all phys dam

[rough rock]

that shit is so gross

[outer sky]

Bleeds also ignore armor

[rough rock]

i honestly thought i had you in that first fight at top then my health just DROPPED

[outer sky]

yah Kingsbane go brrrr

[rough rock]

Had my gravedigger and prep ready lmao

ggs tho

[outer sky]

ye gg

[rough rock]

lmao my next game made up for that one

[lime oar]

cloak used to cleanse bleeds as well with pvp talent iirc ??

or am i crazy

@outer sky wassup u enjoying sin full time now or what lol.

[outer sky]

yes but that was removed

[outer sky]

Kinda like how a prostitute enjoys sex, if that makes sense

[molten hedge]

wait

i thought ivan was memeing when he said he wasnt playing any capstones

https://klipy.com/gifs/what-in-tarnation-1

[quick temple]

think killing spree will do more damage than fist of fury in 2026?

[molten hedge]

lol

[stoic lava]

it never ends

[warped lichen]

!stats

[lethal roost]

These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.

• Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Haste>Crit
• Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
  You want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw to lower the GCD during Adrenaline Rush.
• Subtlety: Vers>Haste to 600-700>Mastery>Crit
  Sub now uses a haste threshold to extend Dance and shorten Secret Technique's CD.
  Sub haste rating chart:
  https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923898501529600/1483399511836725378/image.png?ex=69bc6d33&is=69bb1bb3&hm=21db8524f3add252a5f7556c91a39c6d076b5cbf29926a0ff3de6f1dad996660&

[mystic star]

dumb questions, what`s the actual difference between sword/sword vs sword/dagger on outlaw?

[stoic spruce]

More Zero In procs means more damage

Poisons proc more too but that's negligible at best

[proper vortex]

anyone knows a way to stack enemy nameplates? if i remember there was a CVar for this. I use platynator and it does not have that option.

[dark moon]

Platynator has it, also there's blizzard option

[proper vortex]

Yeah as you can see in the screenshot it does not work in platynator. I just tested with bbp, there it works.

[dark moon]

Platynator takes your blizz settings as well, so set it there first

Then set the stacking width and height to your liking in platynator

[proper vortex]

Ah its probably the height settings. Ty man ❤️

[dark moon]

You're welcome, my man

[agile thunder]

hello, do i need to go for 4 tier set for pvp or just 2 is enough?

[dark moon]

4 piece for sub, rest 2

[agile thunder]

ok, ty

[stoic spruce]

Np

[proven kayak]

I’ve noticed a lot of people used crafted items I guess they upgrade it to PvP with epic medals right ? They with more than buying normal pieces if you already have crafted with embellishments

[dark moon]

Come again?

Crafted items give even stats (mostly more mastery/haste) compared to conquest items (heavy vers). From what ive heard from the good players, this season is around 20 vers, rest into whatever stats you need

If that's what you asked

[proven kayak]

Pretty much summed up the answer thanks

[spring bough]

Forgot how easy delves are with infinite tricks

[outer sky]

Saul, Meep, and Dallas proved to be no match for the awesome might of Slylie Coyote the Vulpera rogue

[dark moon]

this you?

[outer sky]

Im the rogue

[dark moon]

ye

beast

dunking on awc participants

[outer sky]

They never had a chance

[dark moon]

what race is that rogue?

[outer sky]

Vulpera

[dark moon]

why did I even ask

[dark moon]

Coyote got style 🔥

[spring bough]

sin with an outlaw rogue is fun in shuffle

push sudden demise too ez

MG'd a rogue forr a KB while he was vanished lmaoooo

[sleek arrow]

Is the stats in outside of pvp or inside of pvp?

[outer sky]

Every time I have another rogue on my team in shuffle we just end up trolling each other. Because we're both usually thinking the same thing. So we overlap blinds, smoke bombs, DR each other's stuns, etc

[outer sky]

In pvp

[lime oar]

i’m on sin so i just tell them to stun

and split healer

[outer sky]

I dont trust shuffle dps enough for that. If I see a play, I need to make it. Only exception is if I recognize the name

[lime oar]

better than saying nothing

[potent pivot]

…he was

[outer sky]

Im also playing assa

[lime oar]

still gotta take your shots like i still use kidney bomb when i see the opportunity

[sleek arrow]

Thanks, any trick to see the pvp stats quicker?

[outer sky]

Yeah ofc. But like sometimes my teammate will be fucking somebody up and I dont have any damage so ill go to blind the healer or something but then he also goes to blind the healer so we overlap

[potent pivot]

PvP dummies

[dark moon]

Guys, quick question - which poisons are we picking in shuffle if we play with dragon tempered blades?

?

[potent pivot]

Amp/wound

[dark moon]

aight, thanks

[outer sky]

Correct.

[sleek arrow]

there is none in silvermoon right?

[outer sky]

There are

[potent pivot]

There is

East of the pvp vendors

[outer sky]

But also I dont think DTB is the move tbh

[potent pivot]

DTB is more than fine

[outer sky]

It is

But I dont think its BiS

[potent pivot]

The entire ladder would disagree

[dark moon]

which is better ?

[outer sky]

You lose a decent amount of energy without dashing scoundrel and Zoldyck puts in a good amount of work

[dark moon]

cause i just played a shuffle with sudden demise and i felt i dont have any kill pressure, thats why i want to try DTB

[outer sky]

This is what i play

[potent pivot]

You take DTB and zoldyck

[dark moon]

this is my DTB

[outer sky]

Nah

[dark moon]

looks good on paper

[potent pivot]

….yeah

[outer sky]

Demise and rupture damage is good

[potent pivot]

Nah

[dark moon]

frost dk is nasty i think

[potent pivot]

DTB+SD is the troll shit the ladder is playing

[dark moon]

he won the lobby

[outer sky]

Yeah i think thats extremely troll

[outer sky]

6-0?

[dark moon]

4-2 or 5-1

he just globals people

killed resto druid in dr stun

mage in ray of frost lockout

crazy dmg

[outer sky]

Yeah thats frost DK

[potent pivot]

DTB+Zold and Zold+SD have almost no difference in TTK

[outer sky]

Idk ive tried both and zold+sd gave me decisively better results

[potent pivot]

Probably because you’re used to playing TWW assa

[outer sky]

Could be

[potent pivot]

And ur bad

[outer sky]

If i was bad id be losing regardless of the build

[potent pivot]

Nah assa OP

[outer sky]

Idk about OP but its definitely slept on

But sub and outlaw are getting buffed

Big time

As you know

[dark moon]

buffed wut

[outer sky]

New trickster hero talent is gunna be busted af

[potent pivot]

Cloud cover

[dark moon]

oh

[outer sky]

Just a casual 24% damage buff on top of 150% increased crit damage during CDs

Surely won't get emergency hotfixed

[potent pivot]

The crit damage is only to builders*

[outer sky]

Ah yeah nevermind trash talent lmao

[potent pivot]

?

[outer sky]

Im memeing

100k shadowstrikes will still be crazy

[potent pivot]

they’re basically going to be running crit and haste in pve now

[outer sky]

https://tenor.com/view/got-you-gif-27623152

[dark moon]

ihateretpaladinsihateretpaladinsihateretpaladinsihateretpaladins

[outer sky]

Yep

Most toxic thing in the game

If rogues had the team defensive CDs ret does Blizzard would have made a blue post saying they need to do basically 0 damage

Whats so annoying about ret is they make everything hard to kill

[dark moon]

yeah

[outer sky]

If it was just them that were hard to kill it would be fine

[dark moon]

freedom then stun then blind

shutting me down nonstop

[outer sky]

Every go they have a healer tier external

[dark moon]

im .19 mmr

and im playing with multiglads

its hard

[potent pivot]

It’s kinda crazy how two talents changing can change so much

Sub was vers/mast even in pve for so long

Cuz crit/haste were just useless

[outer sky]

Im 2.2 and every lobby is rank 1s its toxic af

Especially the rets

Because the main thing that balances ret is the stupidity of the people who play it

Theyre too dumb to actually make the most of that toolkit

But multi glad/r1 rets can

So its even more busted

I want to know who thought it would be a good idea to make ret sac a shorter CD than hpal sac

[dark moon]

there's a kultiran mage in the lobby

that does racial + ray

goddamn

[molten hedge]

is he purposefully logging out with that build he has on murlok then LOL or is murlok bugged bc hes playing none

[potent pivot]

Yes lol

[outer sky]

I respect that tbh

[dark moon]

i guess everybody watched the "how to counter rogues" skillcap movie

cause i am being dismantled on cd

and rets having loh

is absurd

its bop/magic bop/freedom/loh/blind/stun insane dps

ret rd class

[outer sky]

You playing assa?

[dark moon]

ye

[outer sky]

Yeah if you get cucked on your kingsbane it feels terrible

Same with vanishes

[dark moon]

we were fighting fury war + ret + resto shaman

setup was perfect

warr was in full stun in bomb

dm + KB

ret drives by on horse and tops him with loh

like...

why is that spell allowed in arenas even

[outer sky]

Yeah see if the ret wasnt there the shaman can just die but between sanc and sac and bop and LoH it just ain't happening

[outer sky]

It didn't used to be lol

[dark moon]

ye we killed sham with ret

but cant do that with frost mage on my team

and holy priest that didnt fear once

just plays max range and spam heals until cds/mana evaporate and we lose

after 2nd block

[lime oar]

they brought loh back in shadowlands i think ?

[dark moon]

i remember... just dont kno why they decided its a good idea to allow it in arena

[lime oar]

maybe after

[dark moon]

think it was after

DF/TWW

still sucks

[lime oar]

yeahhh ur right

[outer sky]

Not only that. But its also unaffected by damp and MS and it also gives the target extra armor too because why not lmao

[dark moon]

yeah it felt like it

cause war was sub 20%

and got topped

i know im playing bad, cause this was my 3rd lobby this season - ive been tryharding m+ and pve

[lime oar]

i remember playing ret shadowlands s1 and loh wasn’t allowed in rated

[dark moon]

but man ret feels impossible

as assa at least

[outer sky]

Idk if you know this but they cant wall while silenced

So if you garrote into a stun they cant wall

Which helps force a bigger CD

[dark moon]

rets or warriors

guessing rets

[outer sky]

Rets

[dark moon]

ye i would imagine they cant while silenced

[outer sky]

Blizzard is inconsistent about that

Paladins, warlocks, priests, and Evokers cannot wall while silenced

But monks and shamans can

Warriors can too but that makes sense

[dark moon]

ah ye, the shaman did that while garroted

and screwed my first go

[outer sky]

Yep

[dark moon]

cause his hp wasnt moving

and i sent dm + kb

[outer sky]

Idk what their logic behind that is

[dark moon]

not sure

[outer sky]

I guess I can see why monks can wall while silenced because the whole idea is they drink a beer or something

But shamans being able to astral shift while silences makes no sense

Druids can bark while silenced too

[dark moon]

i remember astral shift being elemental-only spell that procced while stunned

205 years ago

[outer sky]

Shit I remember when DHs would auto proc darkness when they hit 30% hp

My god that was annoying

[dark moon]

but was also shit vs sub rogues

cause they died in stunlock

did you see MVQ last night trying to play DH (havoc+dev) in awc?

that was painful to watch

[outer sky]

Darkness would proc during the stun lock

[outer sky]

I only watched a little of it

[dark moon]

he got demolished

tried both specs

[outer sky]

Good

I dont like that guy

[dark moon]

but dh is not awc material atm

hes using his private addons id assume - still lost 😄

[outer sky]

You misspelled "cheating"

[dark moon]

i sure did

he won fist game by the element of surpise cause he procced meta and one-shotted them

almost did triple kill actually

but then they just started training him and it was inevitable

[outer sky]

I had a triple kill in a shuffle a couple days ago

Which is hard because the game ends when 1 person dies

But sudden demise proced on all 3 of them within like a second

[molten hedge]

and dk

[outer sky]

Yeah DK too

I THINK silence also stops Blur

But I could be wrong about that

[molten hedge]

mvq major douche

[outer sky]

One tech against DKs is that they cant use their silence while they are themselves silenced

[molten hedge]

i like montage

and was listening to him q with petkick and mvq for world first glad

[outer sky]

So if you garrote them they can't silence your healer

[molten hedge]

and i came out of that hating mvq and petkick more

yup is good

i liked that palu vid on tech with MC

[outer sky]

I got absolutely shit face drunk one night and queued a shuffle with Montage in the lobby and I played so terribly I went 0-6 and montage flamed the shit out of me and blocked me

[outer sky]

Mvq is literally a cheater

Like idk how hes not banned

[potent pivot]

because blizzard is lazy af and approves the private addons

idk how the fuck they do all the addon stuff and then allow people to create and use private addons

when it was all about making things fair

they even stated 'if its not publicly available on platforms, its explicitly not allowed'

my theory is that they've been allowing them so that they can back engineer their removal this week

cuz the .5 patch is supposed to break all CD tracking, team mate and enemy alike

supposedly they've already found workarounds and made them work on the ptr though

so

[severe helm]

theyre so behind

they will never win

they just arent good enough at this to make useful/fair addons work without enabling unfair addons

[gilded gulch]

god this toy that makes you unattackable is so funny in open world

[lavish idol]

which toy?

Also is there any particular order to gear up for PvP? I mostly ignored it for the first weeks focusing raids/m+ etc

Conquest best spent on the item to add pvp ilvl to mythic tier?

actually scratch that, max mythic gear is same ivl

[unreal marsh]

Any addons anyone would recommend for arenas/bgs?

[molten hedge]

LOL wow I haven’t seen that side of him

[lime oar]

the one that stuns you for a minute?

[rough rock]

I might be crazy but I swear I’m remembering trying to spam something on my outlaw when you silenced me in that bg and couldn’t

[lavish idol]

why can mages invis others but we can't shroud

[rough rock]

Because fuck you that’s why

[spring bough]

Because blizzard hates rogue

[potent pivot]

there's a whole list in the pins of this channel. you don't need all of the DR ones, just MidnightDR and MyDRs

[unreal marsh]

Yeah I just checked a sec ago, thank you. I've had one too many beers today 😂

[potent pivot]

inflation looking pretty fucked this season

[severe helm]

thats a cool graph

what website is that

[potent pivot]

idk

[potent pivot]

drustvar.com/inflation

[severe helm]

its so dumb cuz their rating system has a negative feedback loop

less players means less rating

and lower ratings means less players

they NEED TO REDESIGN IT

[spring bough]

WTB more inflation

Wasn’t the point of 2300 elite for it to be easier lmao

[severe helm]

thats the fucking problem

2300 has no predictable difficulty

its entirely arbitrary

[graceful ravine]

how do i check stats on the players on the AWC?

[graceful ravine]

lol i was saying this last week!!

i knew i wasnt washed up

[potent pivot]

Hover their gear

They’re running 25% haste then all vers

[graceful ravine]

whats the link to access the page tho, im on their youtube live cast

[potent pivot]

Awc.gcd.tv

[graceful ravine]

thanks

[lavish idol]

Gladius is messed up right? It's still kinda working but so many errors

[potent pivot]

Yeah, get Arena Core

[lavish idol]

cool tyh

[potent pivot]

Gets updated with new stuff like every week/every other week

[potent pivot]

I think the biggest issue has been balance ngl

MW being the biggest offender still

[severe helm]

yeah I think those are still issues

[potent pivot]

And so many ppl just fotm reroll now

[severe helm]

but even shuffle is deflated

[potent pivot]

Usually season 1s get really good participation

[severe helm]

and the games draw is so heavily tied to "rating" as a concept

but that system is fundamentally flawed

I think its a core problem thats genuinely keeping wow pvp down

[potent pivot]

echo kinda losing rn

in mirror too

[graceful ravine]

they should put PVE gear back on the pvp vendor like they did in shadowlands haha

force all the PVErs into PVP to get bis gear

ez +200 pts to inflation

[lavish idol]

oh wow this addon is sweet

[potent pivot]

pvp gear wasn't even bis for a lot of classes in SL

only specs that were vers heavy

[severe helm]

weapons were

[potent pivot]

and a lot of pvers didn't even go for them

[severe helm]

this is such an awful bandaid fix though

[graceful ravine]

PVP participation was great for that season (even tho pve andys cried hard)

[severe helm]

"force people to play pvp to fix inflation"

youre just highlighting the issues with the system

[potent pivot]

depends on the spec still

[severe helm]

early season it was bis for everyone

cuz it was higher ilvl

than mythic raid

[potent pivot]

the only person in my old mythic raiding guild that pvped for gear was a ret paladin for Badge

no one else did

[severe helm]

but regardless

irrelevant

DELETE RATING

[potent pivot]

it was the same ilvl

[severe helm]

I thought it was the same as the last bosses

[graceful ravine]

world first raiders had to do PVP cos they needed the gear for mythic

[severe helm]

cuz mythic raid used to have higher ilvl for the later bosses

anyways

rating system

remove it

put in

[potent pivot]

all mythic gear was the same ilvl

[severe helm]

division system

based on percentile

[potent pivot]

it was like 126 or 226 for nathria

[past tangle]

you already had to pvp as a pver this season for the catalyst charge week 1

[severe helm]

slowly inflate it throughout the season in a formula NOT based on games played

[severe helm]

nah a lot didnt

[potent pivot]

yea but thats like 2 guilds in the world

[severe helm]

I would say most didnt

[past tangle]

ye not many but i think pretty much everyone in my guild did

[graceful ravine]

every mythic guild that goes for at least top50 had to do it, it double the speed of gear

[past tangle]

outside hof maybe not

[graceful ravine]

you would be behind if you didnt and lose HOF but yea

[severe helm]

even with hof people didint

this season?

[potent pivot]

nah

no

SL

[severe helm]

yeah SL sure

100% people did pvp for HoF guilds

[potent pivot]

HoF is bigger than most ppl think

[severe helm]

1000%

[past tangle]

getting 4p early was very strong as it let you farm more cata charges

[potent pivot]

it takes months for HoF to close usually

[severe helm]

im aware

most people I know hate pvp and just didnt bother

cuz they were gona get it 1 week later anyway

[past tangle]

ig i dont know how widespread it was but even the ones who hate pvp in mine were grinding it

i had like 6 charges going into week2 from 2s

good times

[potent pivot]

lmao echo just got 0-3'd

what is going on

[gleaming sentinel]

Echo kinda zugging am I crazy?

[severe helm]

I was watching yesterday a bit

mm/uhdk kinda strong into rmp

or wwmp rather

[potent pivot]

idk

i wonder if any teams ever throw on purpose

like if they know they'll just win back up to top 3

throw against a team to let them go for top 3 cuz u know u can beat them in top 3

[spring bough]

100% this happens lmao

[potent pivot]

i'm sure its happened before

surely there's been a situation where throwing 1 match up can actually benefit you later

that and like

top 3 from each region goes to blizzcon LAN finals this season right

[spring bough]

Yall ready to farm tier 2 for the 3rd time around on Tuesday

[potent pivot]

no

that shit is getting old

lmao

[spring bough]

Is there a new PVE power up catch up item or nah

[potent pivot]

i didn't even farm the black sets

those were tww s3 right

[spring bough]

Yeah the dark ones

[potent pivot]

i'm sure there will be some half decent gear on vendors

there always is

but

they're doing reroll tokens now

[spring bough]

This new even gives hero pieces

But it’s the same currency as the tier 2 mogs

[potent pivot]

like if u get at least 3 slots in ur vault

u can take tokens and buy 1 reroll token

and after any dungeon or raid boss u can use the reroll token

to proc another piece

and i think they're also getting a currency to buy the turbo boost ilvl

u can boost weapons/trinkets to 298

1 item per week i think

crafted weps only go to 294

i think pvp weps will go to 298 immediately but i'm not sure

[spring bough]

It should

[potent pivot]

and i guess trinkets too but those don't matter as much for us

[spring bough]

Wish there would be a season that pve trinkets were a thing

Like they could move the PvP trinket set bonus to amulets 🤔

[potent pivot]

i would rather not be 'forced' to pve ever

like even pve crafts being fully possible from pvp only, is a great thing imo

[spring bough]

Oh come on some one shot trinket would be fun asf again lol

[past tangle]

while im here, as a larping pve chud im assuming cloud cover is gonna be very strong for sub? maybe not enough to move outlaw to trickster?

[potent pivot]

it will and it will

[spring bough]

Looks like it’ll be OP for both 🤦‍♂️

[potent pivot]

outlaw 100% going trickster

[spring bough]

10% Inc over fatebound lmao

[past tangle]

ah though maybe coins still scaled well enough in pvp to keep it fatebound

[potent pivot]

nah

coins have been nerfed across the board a good bit

fatebound is decent but

cloud cover is just going to be too strong

[spring bough]

S3 coin nerf still in the game?

[potent pivot]

it gives outlaw a slight bit of burst

[past tangle]

we've just been cheesing people in 2s with sub/damage build disc, good times

[potent pivot]

ye think so

tails is nerfed to .67

[spring bough]

They need to revert that and restless .8 nerf

Fatebound would be absolutely blasting if they did that

[potent pivot]

yea i don't think they want any blasting happening unfort

pretty sure trickster will get fixed after a week

that or outlaw is getting nerfed for sure

[spring bough]

5 days into new cloud cover “hotfix… .5 modified for PvP”

The defensive gain from cloud cover gonna be pretty OP too

Def getting nerfed next tuning 😆

[potent pivot]

idk if thats enough

the crit dmg thing probably shouldn't even interact the way it does

prolly gonna want more crit on law next week tho

[molten hedge]

Our Lord and Savior Whaazzlysnips has been deleted

[lavish idol]

how do I turn off Arena Core outside of arenas?

[spring bough]

He’s just like us 🤣

[potent pivot]

it should only be on in arenas

turn off test mode or w/e

both these teams just overlapped cocoon/block

and one of the mages still died

[gleaming sentinel]

I wonder what other changes they are thinking for Tuesday if any

[potent pivot]

probably none

likely tuning the following week

the .5 patch is more of a design change thing rather than tuning

[dark kernel]

Oh hey Whaazz finally doing the WW

bout time

[severe helm]

the wins in this awc

are hilarious

I feel like more deaths happen with healer out of cc than in cc

[proven kayak]

How can I turn ex silver moon agents utility belt to have PvP ilvl

[severe helm]

heraldries

[proven kayak]

But it doesn’t have a space for that

Only asks for sparks

[severe helm]

might have to be the pvp item then

like theres specific "combatant" type items

ill log in and check 1 sec

[proven kayak]

Tyvm

Because in craft it doesn’t ask for medals and I don’t know if I can convert it with the voidspire item conversion you apply to item to become PvP ilvl

[severe helm]

yeah has to be this guy I think

this one has a slot for competitor's heraldry

[dark kernel]

damn I finally had a rough shuffle

unlucky

[abstract stratus]

tripple war type shit

[proven kayak]

but ive seen people rujnning doubel silvermoon items

radiance crafted

[severe helm]

in pve or pvp

[proven kayak]

pvp

[severe helm]

then its just a pve item

you can get it to max ilvl

can you show an example?

[proven kayak]

yeah sec

[severe helm]

or maybe they use the dust thing

leme see if that works

[proven kayak]

https://murlok.io/character/eu/stormscale/sunléss/pvp

check this guys items

[severe helm]

yeah just a 285 item

prob crafted it cuz its higher ilvl than honor gear

so if you have enough mythic crests

you can craft it and get a little ahead on ilvl

[proven kayak]

i do no pve so i guess im not gonna craft it 😄

[severe helm]

well pvp gives it

if youre high enough rating

I think over 2k or something

[proven kayak]

im not current at thisd rating

idk how to spend my conq pts thats whty i was asking

😄

[severe helm]

it doesnt really matter tbh

its 4 ilvl under a conquest piece

so eventually itll be replcaed

[proven kayak]

idk if i have to craft gear or just buyt the off pieces liek wrists/back/belt

[severe helm]

!gear

[proven kayak]

no need ihave 4set plus weaps and embe stuff

just thinking about off peices what to buy like rings/belts/cpae etc

guess i will buy conq stuff and not crafted

ty tho

actually i might craft thalassian cus belt/wirst doesnt give mastery

[jaunty osprey]

LUL ECHO

[abstract stratus]

was shuffling what i miss

OH

LMAO

[potent pivot]

Omnibar made them lose gg

[abstract stratus]

gg addons make you washed gg

[severe helm]

This meta is wild haha

[potent pivot]

Is it tho

[severe helm]

Haha yes

Very

[potent pivot]

Rogue mage

[severe helm]

Not referring to comp

Play style and win conditions I mean

Very atypical

[potent pivot]

Streamerzone just figured out the proper strat

[severe helm]

What exactly is that

[potent pivot]

Idfk

[severe helm]

Exactly

[potent pivot]

You don’t 7-1 echo without figuring something out that echo doesn’t know

[severe helm]

Depends on the meta

Lol

See if they can repeat it

[potent pivot]

Just because idk what it is doesn’t mean anything

[severe helm]

It doesn't mean nothing

[potent pivot]

…?

[molten hedge]

Streamerzone kinda swapped around a lot more than echo

Our Lord & Savior Whaazzlysnips rip rip

https://tenor.com/view/league-of-legends-dumbo-drinking-water-t1-drinking-dumbo-drinking-water-gif-5833717593105737590

Ty to whoever posted this yday 🤣

[dark stump]

https://giphy.com/gifs/steals-meme-stolen-your-is-mine-DOm6DwxmiN6FRbDqjF

[gleaming sentinel]

echo still in first place

[severe helm]

it didnt feel like streamerzone was necessarily dominating every team though

and in NA we saw a lot of games go similarly

very volatile meta

can lose while ahead in a heartbeat

[abstract stratus]

@jaunty osprey why buy glad legwraps instead of craft for higher mast ?

[potent pivot]

you don't craft every piece of gear

end up low on vers

[molten hedge]

Bruhitty musta rolled that jackpot

[abstract stratus]

whats the vers we aim for rn

[severe helm]

I mean legit

some good rolls and the outlaw is doing 15-20% more damage

[potent pivot]

there isn't really. 20% is like a bare minimum

[abstract stratus]

im 20 rn so i see that ight

[potent pivot]

up to like 25 or more if u want

[molten hedge]

Fr

[potent pivot]

sub is the one that was running bare minimum

sub is tankier than assa/law

[abstract stratus]

gearing alt sin for leap frog rn and have enough conq for another big piece and was weighing the options

[potent pivot]

jewelry early is kinda troll

u need to do trinket too

[abstract stratus]

like medallion? or insig

[potent pivot]

insig

medallion is like the very last thing u do

[abstract stratus]

i figured i just thought insig wouldnt be THAT big of dam increase

[potent pivot]

its bigger than anything else ye

[abstract stratus]

intresting

[gleaming sentinel]

@gusty hedge how do i level fast

[severe helm]

follow the arrow

[potent pivot]

weps > insig > leather pieces > jewelry > medallion

generally speaking

but tier > insig

[abstract stratus]

gonna stick to 2 set for this toon my main i had gotten 4 set as soon as i was able because pea brain

[gusty hedge]

@gleaming sentinel This! but do all 9 delve clear at start pump out the quest set by the arrow, u can also do prey in the zone ur questing for another boost of exp!
gonna be boring a bit questing after delves done!, tricks of trade 1 hour on valeera heals if lvling rogue makes clearing ez

[severe helm]

delves is the more boring part for me haha

honestly the start feels the slowest

cuz yorue doing the delves

[potent pivot]

follow the arrow takes u through the delves too

[severe helm]

but not turning in the quest

so youre saving xp for the end

but yeah the alt 80-90 guide has you doing delves

its a very good guide

then it walks you through the prof leveling

[gusty hedge]

yeah forgot dont turn in quest till 88 lol

[severe helm]

you essetnailly skip from 88-90

very quick

[spring bough]

how many delves have u done lol

[gusty hedge]

enough to get lvl 10 on journey

just finished up another rogue rn been farming 81-89 pvp bracket

[spring bough]

im like level 5 i think lolol

[gusty hedge]

lol u can lvl up quick with t11 bountiful delves

max out nemesis chest each run and its gg

[spring bough]

yeah been running them in between ques on the outlaw and got a couple levels the last two days

[gleaming sentinel]

why has no team tried outaw windwalker

[gusty hedge]

my valeera is maxed out and i still cant beat ??

[potent pivot]

mage too strong

[spring bough]

might need to quit rogue then

[gusty hedge]

iget to 5-10 % then he just deletes me valeera stops dropping potions

[gleaming sentinel]

what is your ilvl

[gusty hedge]

like 268

[gleaming sentinel]

brother get some consumables

and blow that fool up

tricks valeera at the end and vanish

yolo

[gusty hedge]

flasked up banqueted up too xD, def gotta try more! i panicked the last few times and got tilted

[gleaming sentinel]

you will get it

i suck and i got it done at liek 252

[potent pivot]

just do it on rdru

let valeera dps tank it and only cast hots

[gusty hedge]

[potent pivot]

takes like 15min but its afk

[gusty hedge]

i cant quit now! i def thought about doing it on priest or r druid lol

[gleaming sentinel]

you are an outlaw player

do it on outlaw

[gusty hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/drink-drunk-leo-leonardo-di-caprio-cheers-gif-10195246

[abstract stratus]

bigdam

[gleaming sentinel]

its time for outlaw number 2 for me, think im gonna do orc

[jaunty osprey]

jewellery is actually a bigger upgrade than leather pieces btw

even in sims

we are lacking so much on secondaries

in almost all sims, jewellery ilvl sims higher than leather pieces

[abstract stratus]

ivan approves of my gear comfirmed

[jaunty osprey]

im epic in every slot except 2

so

doesnt matter to me

[abstract stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-worship-worshipping-now-bowing-gif-12297363

[gleaming sentinel]

or sub ww, lol

[potent pivot]

Idk if I’ll ever believe that

Cuz were lacking main stat too

[abstract stratus]

so is mastery weapon enchant on the offhand not the move?

[potent pivot]

Most people just don’t know

[abstract stratus]

word

[mortal lantern]

do sub rogues use the ancient arts optimization in pvp too?

[potent pivot]

If Ivan did 2x rendorei I’m disappointed in him

[potent pivot]

You can

[mortal lantern]

but I guess you have to be so good that you can do it without losing focus on more important things haha

[potent pivot]

Ye

[jaunty osprey]

i just abuse weapon chain off hand

i did 2x rendorei by accident

but i still use weapon chain

perma

[mortal lantern]

what will change for sub in 12.0.5 because of the shadow blades change?

[lime oar]

you will do more damagé

[potent pivot]

Nothing really

Might swap a couple talents

Like taking Lethality and Planned Execution

[abstract stratus]

this monk didnt know what planet he was on

also i dont have chain on my alt but my main does :(((

[abstract stratus]

im not finding those changes

whats happening with blades?

[abstract stratus]

interesting

[potent pivot]

It’s the changes to Cloud Cover

[abstract stratus]

yea i see that now

[potent pivot]

No one seems to realize how big the change is

Pvpers I mean

Whaazz said earlier “we don’t even play trickster we play fatebound”

Kek

[mortal lantern]

does it also have a smoke bomb animation?

[potent pivot]

It’s different but yeah

[wanton breach]

fatebound sub rogue Pog

[wanton breach]

maybe it baits a trinket or two

[potent pivot]

Law

[abstract stratus]

***Deathstalker outlaw

[wanton breach]

out

[lavish idol]

man I can't work out how to turn this off outside of arena 🙁

It's not in test mode

[kind thunder]

Dont know what? Why shouldnt we use that?

[potent pivot]

You can’t turn that part off outside of arena if you want it on inside of arena

All addons that have that feature do that pretty positive

[potent pivot]

Which thing are you talking about

The 2 main stat wep enchants?

1 main stat and 1 secondary stat is just better

[lavish idol]

ah so only option is either enable or disable addon then I guess?

[potent pivot]

You can disable the setting in the addon ..

You just won’t have it in arena either

[lavish idol]

what is it actually called though?

[potent pivot]

It’s in the nameplate setting

Of the addon

[lavish idol]

ah ok got it

cheers

[potent pivot]

Np

I didn’t know that’s what you meant earlier

Thought you meant the actual arena frames

[outer sky]

I cant wait to abuse this to death before it gets hot fixed lmao

[outer sky]

What addon even is this

[potent pivot]

Those are arena core’s friendly plate icons pretty sure

[ocean thunder]

Not sure why/how but darn assassin just works for me, not even max gear and i got to 2100 on shuffle
Practically same playstyle as last season

I think it's because there's not too many rets / evokers around

[potent pivot]

Turns out getting buffed 3 times makes things good

[ocean thunder]

I just garrote, rupture and silence / cC healer and things flop

i feel more of a facilitator than sub

frost mages though they are quite annoying because you need too many goes to take 2 iceblocks plus healer defensives and trinket

and it sucks to let them alone harass your healer

[jaunty osprey]

DAZED IS THE GOAT

[potent pivot]

Kalv >

[gleaming sentinel]

@pearl bane king shit

[abstract stratus]

KALVISH FACE COMING

[potent pivot]

He’s gonna go to blizzcon masked up

With the shiesty

[abstract stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-skinny-goofy-ahh-black-gif-1720758603793028346

[potent pivot]

Real

Gonna pull out the ray of frost on em

[abstract stratus]

BTHDTHDTHDTHAT

[potent pivot]

Brrrrat

[rough rock]

wait so is echo out?

[molten hedge]

It’s cup 2

They’re still on top iirc points wise or close

Still another cup

[rough rock]

ahh gotcha

[molten hedge]

Whaazz wasn’t as upset on stream as I thought he’d be. He was chillen

[gleaming sentinel]

They first in pts

[dark kernel]

Pretty sure Gators Back get a guaranteed BlizzCon spot based on points now

So that's why it was such a huge win

They can't finish lower than half

[potent pivot]

Only top 3 go

No idea how all the point stuff works

[rough rock]

worst awc by far

[potent pivot]

Why

[rough rock]

monk monk monk monk rogue rogue mage mage mage

no fun

[potent pivot]

This isn’t the worst it’s been

As far as healers mw might be

But there’s been awcs where it was like ONLY two comps ever

[gilded gulch]

mage has like never been bad

[rough rock]

i wonder if the nerfs will do anything major, seems like a lot of people think monk will still be far ahead

[gilded gulch]

its blizz's golden child

[rough rock]

well neither has a rogue spec

[gilded gulch]

But its also horrendous in the hands of bad players.

[stoic spruce]

There is not an unusual amount of rogues and mages btw

[potent pivot]

They have

[stoic spruce]

All the monks just put it in perspective

[potent pivot]

There’s been quite a few times where rogue mains had to play warrior or feral or ww

[rough rock]

oh damn really

[potent pivot]

Yeah

[stoic spruce]

Yeah

[spring bough]

God damn WWs and MWs galore out here

[grave basin]

@spring bough bicmex was talking about rerolling for the first time yestd

💀

Man i need to level my orc rogue eh

Gear is all messed up from sub i cba to redo it all for outlaw, might as well start from scratch

[solid gulch]

yo does AR before rtb guarantee a 2+ roll?

[stoic spruce]

Adr grants Loaded Dice, a one time buff that guarantees a 2+ roll one time

It's a talent

[solid gulch]

I need to issue a formal apology to my shuffle teammates

learning outlaw i thought opener was rtb -> keep it rolling on 2+ -> AR

[stoic spruce]

Rip

[solid gulch]

what do you open with since ur full combo points w/ar?

if u have that talent

[potent pivot]

Just kidney or dispatch no?

[spring bough]

Tough times for survival

[solid gulch]

ya i been going kidney but didnt know if thats the move

[stoic spruce]

There's 2 different ones where you SnD in stealth and open with cheap and build to your reg prio. Or just CS at full CP and dispatch and then normal prio

Basically you need snd asap

[grave basin]

He went from 2400 to 2.2 in one day

[rough rock]

KS

[stoic spruce]

Lmao

Do it no balls

[rough rock]

I usually hold it till i have gravedigger ready

then i just throw out 2 bte

[gleaming sentinel]

ngl surv seems terrible

[stoic spruce]

Well it deleted my health bar the other day

[rough rock]

im so close

[potent pivot]

it’s getting buffed

On reset

[grave basin]

That what happens when you lose 9 of your abilities

He even fell to the 2.1 range 💀

On his main

My goat got turned into a kebab 😭

[stiff cedar]

i saw he reported in the awc cord bug reports that apparently in 12.0.5 boomstick isn't getting buffed by tip of the spear

[grave basin]

[rough rock]

bro we were down 1446 to 1300

[potent pivot]

[spring bough]

Can’t wait to be trickster rogue again using KS on Tuesday……

[rough rock]

Are we actually going to run that tho

[spring bough]

It’s a 10% ST Inc lol

I’m def running it

[rough rock]

so we will do 50k instead of 30k

[spring bough]

It’s a big defensive too

Since the fazed dmg reduction will stack to what 15%

[rough rock]

yeah thats true

quad hook tho :(

[potent pivot]

why wouldn't you

[spring bough]

Gonna do some big dmg for a few days before nerf notes

[stoic spruce]

I mean the triple crit dmg on Pistol Shot

[spring bough]

Pistol gonna go hard

[rough rock]

Same reason everyone though DM was gonna replace trickter

lmao

nothing burger

[spring bough]

We actually gonna do some big dick dmg not gonna lie

[stoic spruce]

This is NOT nothing burger

[potent pivot]

i mean it could have easily

[stoic spruce]

24% increased dmg is a lot

[potent pivot]

no one wanted to try it because the mark change was coming with the patch

[spring bough]

I’ll put money on 200k BTE crits

[stoic spruce]

On top of triple crit dmg

[potent pivot]

thats more just laziness

[stoic spruce]

It's only builders

[rough rock]

Trickster is more tanky isnt it,. i ran it in beta and felt like i couldnt die

[spring bough]

I got my trickster KS build ready 😭

[potent pivot]

for outlaw? a little

[spring bough]

24% extra dmg tho??

BTE gonna be juicy

[stoic spruce]

Yeah but it ain't 200k juicy lol

It'll be strong tho fs

[spring bough]

I’ll send the SS on Tuesday 🔫

[rough rock]

well fuck me bro