pvp

[dark moon]

Kek

You'll eat the slop, and like it

-somebody somewhere

[indigo brook]

mage

[jolly sierra]

what

[tidal snow]

MM. I really wanted to play survival but i feel like it does no damage. Gonna try bm at some point too^^

[vocal surge]

Peak comment to a ret complaining about sub rogues

[dark moon]

rets complaining man

[molten hedge]

I wonder if DHs bitch about rogues as much as rogues bitch ab rets 🤣

[outer sky]

Does anything even counter ret?

[potent pivot]

Double ret

[vocal surge]

Ret + Outlaw counters Double Ret

[potent pivot]

Never have

[proven field]

The only group that complains more are actual rets when you accuse them of being overpowered

[spring bough]

If housing is out of the picture what’s the biggest new feature of midnight lol

[wise sequoia]

a laggy bg

pvp is #2 baby!

[outer sky]

these are the people whining to nerf rogues. UDK and Dev DH lost the 2v1 to me. Neither of them did more than 50k damage. I did 1m damage

[proven field]

How

Did one afk, like how 50k dmg only

That’s like when I look at scoreboard when we losing a BG and see an UHDK with 300k dmg 5 mins in - how

[outer sky]

Oh I'm sorry this pumper DH did 64k

[wise sequoia]

thats a healer DH!

[spring bough]

What addon is this

[outer sky]

I step>sapped the DH, opened the DK, he used IBF, so I vanished, waited DRs, resapped the DH, reopened the DK, DK trinkets, I evasion so he cant death strike off me, DH trinkets the sap, I blind him, finish the DK, vanish again, wait for dance, open the DH who has no trinket and kill him since I still had cloak and my trinket

[outer sky]

Arena Analytics

[river pollen]

Is the 6 chapter campaign war of light thing necessary for pvp n stuff

[potent pivot]

don't think so

[river pollen]

Nice

[molten hedge]

Mage prob more than anything

Moreso in a 1v1 situation

[molten hedge]

I played some ret. It wasn’t the funnest to me

[hidden moth]

Dh

[molten hedge]

Does it work out of the box now or do you still have to change the files?

[rough rock]

You don’t want to know what their discord is like lmao

[hidden moth]

Feels good

[hidden moth]

I get unhinged in here and I’m on the tame side for the dh discord

[molten hedge]

Lmao

Looks like 100% of rogues are on the same page now 😁

[hidden moth]

Prey? Supposedly

[rough rock]

No idea why he thought it wouldn’t be good anyways

[outer sky]

works out of the box

[outer sky]

How?

[potent pivot]

How did I know guys

[molten hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/bow-owenonosu-owen-sephirothsword-japan-gif-17237815368376294277

https://klipy.com/gifs/clapping-applause-98

[potent pivot]

I think the only talents up for debate rn

Are WM/Rotten/PV/Finality

[muted abyss]

holy shit healers are overtuned right now

[potent pivot]

Everything else is solved for now

Stats, talents, etc

Now for enchants and tier set

We prolly just copy pve wep enchants

1 rendorei 1 mastery

1x1 apparently means it’s more likely you’ll have 1 up for burst

[pliant spoke]

what are we crafting day 1 of season 1 for sub pvp? Jewelry again like in TWW?

[potent pivot]

Probably yeah. The problem is going to be figuring out what exactly to buy with haste on it

Because of tier set and only wanting a very specific amount of haste

[pliant spoke]

are we leaning more haste/vers or vers/mastery?

[vocal surge]

There's a limit to haste

[pliant spoke]

18%?

[potent pivot]

Ya

[pliant spoke]

so haste/vers to 18% haste then vers/mastery

[spring bough]

@potent pivot #wow-general message

2 hours 17 min…..

[vocal surge]

Isn't Shadow Dance like 8s baseline without haste?

[potent pivot]

This has been in the leveling thread for days already

[potent pivot]

No

6

[vocal surge]

What's the haste scaling for its duration at?

[potent pivot]

Wdym

[vocal surge]

The talent that increases Shadow Dance duration, what's the rate for it?

[potent pivot]

Idk

It’s not a very simple thing

Hang on

[potent pivot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/226359213427916800/1477407208752025863/image.png?ex=69a4a62f&is=69a354af&hm=130f09f11f46e727532bb585dbdb326fd3dd358660fcc3ebdef5eb351b6c87e1&

600-700 haste (~18%) gets you 7.2-7.4 seconds of dance which is 8 globals

The extra margin helps if you clip a global or because of Coup cast time etc

[vocal surge]

Ah

gonna need to test Haste more on Sub sometime in S2

[modest ore]

is there somewhere i can see recoimmended sub talents for pvp?

[vocal surge]

I recall somewhere around 40% was the breakpoint where Apex talent was 24/7 up

[outer sky]

pins

[modest ore]

prepatch builds?

[outer sky]

Should be updated to include preseason builds

[potent pivot]

Check the updated date at the bottom

I just forgot to change the title

[potent pivot]

Season 3 is going to feel cracked on sub

[spring bough]

maybe season 3 lol

[vocal surge]

Truuuu

[potent pivot]

Enhance helps with apex too doesn’t it

Enh buff gives sub like 8% dps

It’s nutty

[modest ore]

tyty

is it still vers/mastery prio?

[potent pivot]

No

Haste to 18% then vers/mast

[stoic spruce]

He doesn't know it's an Outlaw season, season 3.

[modest ore]

rip i messedup my honor gear

[potent pivot]

Nbd, it’s honor gear after all

At least you know before starting to get conq gear

[modest ore]

honestly true

[severe helm]

Make sure you're looking at your stats with the pvp scaling

[modest ore]

.................

[modest ore]

I WASNT DOING THAT

[severe helm]

Lol

[modest ore]

how can i look at it with pvp scaling?

withoutn going into pvp

[severe helm]

Hit a pvp dummy

[modest ore]

i amm but my hp isnt going up

its still at 247k

usually im at like 400k in pvp

[gilded gulch]

just buy more

[modest ore]

hmm is this the wrong dummy?

[severe helm]

That should be right

@potent pivot do you know whats up there?

Isn't there some weird new scaling in pvp combat

That scales up non pvp gear too?

[molten hedge]

Lil piss cleave?

[potent pivot]

Doesn’t even work

Silver moon dummies don’t scale you LOL

you have to go into a skirm or BG or Dornogal dummies

Or the wpvp zone maybe

[potent pivot]

That’s only in BGs and maybe skirms afaik

Like instanced pvp

I don’t think pve gear scales in wpvp or for pvp dummies at all idk

They did it last expansion too

[molten hedge]

PvP dummies are bugged

Duel someone

[potent pivot]

For rogue? Assa

[molten hedge]

Guardian Druid

[potent pivot]

Sub can do it

But you drop hella threat when using Dance

[severe helm]

LOOOOOOL

Multi dollar company

[potent pivot]

Makes it very annoying when Valeera has threat

[potent pivot]

Yep

Yea

[molten hedge]

U jus tgotta be more threatening

Bust out yo mama jokes

[outer sky]

I just vanish and reopen with AoE just as she's about to die

then kill all the mobs while shes "unconcious"

its actually faster and easier than dealing with the mobs being split

[modest ore]

what makes 18% haste so important?

[potent pivot]

Haste now makes Dance longer through the talent Deepening Shadows and base haste now shortens Secret Technique’s CD

18% gets you 8 globals per Dance

I can assure you that is a you problem

Assa blows that shit up

Yes but you have to hit CT a lot

When that many mobs

[gilded gulch]

you misdirect valeera

you just md it all to valeera and blow it up with blades

[potent pivot]

He’s trying assa

[molten hedge]

He may have haste gear. Prob doesn’t hit right with low mastery

[gilded gulch]

Yeah it was more about sub is the better delve spec

[potent pivot]

I did good as assa

[potent pivot]

True but I did too tbh

[gilded gulch]

it can be fine but it was just about whats better

[molten hedge]

I have a friend that is excited to play assa this ssn. He got glad pretty easily playing dev assa last ssn

[potent pivot]

Idk if I’d even say sub is better

While leveling assa blows shit up so easily

[gilded gulch]

you mass pull and nuke it all in your blades windows

[molten hedge]

But tbf dev has stuns that assa misses now so it seems like it would work

[gilded gulch]

then go do objectives while valeera tanks it

90% of non boss mobs didnt live to the sectech clones hitting for me

while leveling

[potent pivot]

Are we even talking about doing the actual delves

I thought he was spamming shadowguard

[molten hedge]

Lmao

[gilded gulch]

yeah sub has more aoe

[potent pivot]

…

[molten hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/steve-urkel-detective-hhmmmm-i-got-my-eye-on-you-eyeglasses-gif-16755653

[potent pivot]

Ye

[gilded gulch]

bp spam just fucks

unless you're weird and not talented into things like potent powder

or playing deathstalker for some god forsaken reason

[potent pivot]

So does sudden demise

[gilded gulch]

i mean that was my leveling experience with it

press forge and sb together

[potent pivot]

Is the calamity rotation up today in NA

@molten hedge

I bet it is cuz I’ve got work today

[gusty hedge]

Law bgs going up(81-89)

[gilded gulch]

uhh

play music

or do something else

[potent pivot]

I figured just didn’t know if u were NA

It’s always up when I’ve got work

[gilded gulch]

leveling in midnight seems boring

idk how people have it in them to level multiple characters already

[spring bough]

this weekly dungeon quest that gives 1k rep is awesome

[molten hedge]

Lmao I didn’t check but good to know it’s up. Man idk if I can cba to lvl today. I have 5 90s

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-meme-tired-panting-gasp-gif-13533314

[gilded gulch]

😭

why do people level so many

[molten hedge]

I multiclass and play alts. Also I have multiple accounts so I don’t have to sit long queues. Other benefits as well

[gilded gulch]

Ahhh shuffle life pain

[molten hedge]

It’s also cool to use to farm mogs and boost alts. I have a 3rd account I activate at the beginning or end of the season to “boost” 2 alts at a time myself for free

[modest ore]

@potent pivot any insight on if i should replace the bigger pieces for haste first b4 the smaller ones? ex (helm vs wrists)

[potent pivot]

Doesn’t really matter what order you replace stuff

The only reason you buy stuff in a particular order to at the beginning of gearing is based on the dps increase per slots, wep, trinket, then agi, etc

You’ve already got all those main things covered I assume, so just replace stuff until you hit the haste threshold, just replace any non mastery pieces first

If you’ve got any crit stuff for example

[modest ore]

i replaced all the crit things but now i gota decide between the mastery/vers stuff

i guess ill just go down the line from helm til i hit 18% 🙂

[potent pivot]

Doing the cheaper stuff first might be quicker ig

[modest ore]

thankss

does haste help with the stunlock rotation

[tidal snow]

Giga honor

[spring bough]

getting 200k + collapsing star crits in random dungeons with the DH lol

if only that could translate to rated when it starts lol

[potent pivot]

Not necessarily no

You get more shadow tech procs

[rough rock]

best campaign since bfa imo

leveling is actually fun for once

[modest ore]

am i pressing my inputs too slowly? i try to fit . cheapshot > sd> secret > ss >evis > cheapshot but i cant fit the 2nd cheapshot

b4 the first runs out

[outer sky]

Cheap shot lasts 4s

1 global is 1s

So 4 globals

Per cheap

Should be able to fit it

But its tight

[modest ore]

i thought a bit more haste would help since going from 5% to 14% has made the combo a bit less tight

but i could be going crazy and imagining it

[outer sky]

More likely this

Also

For your rotation

Swap evisc and secret technique

Evisc first

[potent pivot]

Depends on if the target is iirc woe if u proc Coup

[potent pivot]

Meant to reply to this^

[modest ore]

does coup take longer to hit?

[potent pivot]

Haste doesn’t effect the GCD on rogues

[modest ore]

o okk

[potent pivot]

Yeah

[modest ore]

ahh

[outer sky]

Yeah coup is a 1.2s global

[modest ore]

no wonderrr

[spring bough]

RIP the good old times of outlaw double coup cause of the 0.8s global with ADR.... ill miss it

[snow harness]

if your against an orc you have to hold a global after your 2nd ss and then do your 2nd finisher after

[molten hedge]

Is that only when you have coup

[outer sky]

No

[molten hedge]

Oh I usually tech first whys that wrong? I’m sure it’s some talent I’m forgetting

Iirc you used to have to proc deeper daggers

But not anymore

[outer sky]

In his example he must be opening from stealth becasue hes using cheap shot into a finisher which means premed gave him full combo points. That means the target hasn't been Fazed yet so you need to shadowstrike to apply Fazed. That makes them take 8% more damage from you and since sectec is the only think that we have that does any damage you definitely want fazed applied before pressing that

So it should be cheap>dance>evisc>shadowstrike (Fazes target)>sectec

[molten hedge]

Ahh ok gotcha

Thanks 😊

[outer sky]

On another note

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/sub-rogue-is-going-to-ruin-midnight-season-1/2270066

Im so sick of these people

[latent patrol]

90% dance uptime holy moly

[molten hedge]

For every sub post we need to make 10 other posts

[outer sky]

I really dont get it

Theyre saying we can 100-0 somebody every cheap shot

[molten hedge]

They’re prob 1500

[outer sky]

Im fully geared

I cant do that

Its not like im doing the rotation wrong lol

[snow harness]

if a warlock presses dark pact you legit dont even break their shield unless u have blades lol

in full gear

[outer sky]

I dont even always break it with blades

[snow harness]

yea that shield is insane

45 sec cd to

i think

[molten hedge]

I have always hated going locks as rog ngl

[outer sky]

That or 1m

[snow harness]

pressable while stun

[molten hedge]

Unless it’s in shuffle and I have a zug zug with me

[outer sky]

Its supposed to be balanced by the fact that if youre not high hp when you use it its useless

[snow harness]

ahh makes sense, gotta try catch em in the sutn combo when their a bit lower already

[potent pivot]

Iirc you’re always supposed to evis first

[gusty hedge]

@spring bough

[spring bough]

Killing it

[gusty hedge]

rracked up 7k honor

[molten hedge]

Ik you did for sure previous seasons because you wanted to proc deeper daggers or something but I forgot about the fazed thing

[outer sky]

Im pretty sure its the only class with 2 defensives that can be pressed while stunned besides paladin

Which ofc has 3

[potent pivot]

I talked to nahj about this same thing last night and I don’t remember the reasoning he gave

I remember bringing up coup->sec tech when he said evis->tech because coup will give you full FF stacks

And he said uptime on FF is already so high that it isn’t really a factor

[molten hedge]

So it doesn’t really matter except for the opener if u tech or evisc first

[potent pivot]

No

[outer sky]

The target should be fazed before you sectec thatd the biggest thing. Otherwise it doesnt matter

I also highly recommend tracking your flawless form stacks

Because if you have coup available

And sectec

You wouldnt want to have 5 FF stacks

Not know it

And press coup

Then waste the 5 stacks you get from it

They dont get consumed by finishing moves but if youre gunna refresh the 5 stack you may as well do it when theyre as close to expiring as possible

To keep as much uptime as you can on the 5 stack buff

Like ive had it many times where I have coup, sectec, and 5 FF stacks but the stacks are about to fall off so I sectec then rebuild points then coup and refresh them

[molten hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/omg-monkey-amaze-gif-26835078

[wise sequoia]

If you stack haste up to 40% by season three, you can get 9.6 long dance, which means every global in a 30s period in a row can be during dance!

Then you wait 3 sec and BAM! 90% uptime.

[latent patrol]

[snow harness]

yep, that + they can axe toss your go while stunned to lol, which is probably the most tilting

[outer sky]

Dont forget succubus sleep

[snow harness]

and if all else fails trinket coil

so many stops actually its insane lol

[hidden moth]

what do these guiys do

er give

dont see the normal rep thing in the page

[spring bough]

That’s the voidstorm PvP area rep

Has rewards and stuff at the vendors and a ton of quests to do

[hidden moth]

dont see the vendors unfort

[spring bough]

They should be at slayers rise w the quest givers

[hidden moth]

found it thx

[snow harness]

is there any cheap wep enchants we can toss on our weps for pvp? (wondering specifically for a mage)

all the new ones are to pricey to waste on honor gear

[wheat shore]

Question for alliance players who queue Random Battleground often, what would you say is your win rate? Win more than lose or?

[vocal surge]

Win more

[potent pivot]

There’s last expansion’s enchants but tbh I don’t even find those worth using

The only consumable I’ve really been using is this expansion’s low tier dps pot for wpvp/BGs

[outer sky]

They dont work

[potent pivot]

Because it’s an insane amount of main stat

[vocal surge]

Slam the Saltwater Pots xD

Its a giga damage boost

[potent pivot]

The pve pot is better

[potent pivot]

They made sure last expansions shit doesn’t work but weapon chains do?

[snow harness]

nice thing is, gems / ring enchant t1 are super cheap, i wonder if conquest jewlery will come with the free gem slots aswell

[outer sky]

Yep!

[potent pivot]

They will

All jewelry does now

[snow harness]

so all we need to gem is head/waist?

with the currency

[potent pivot]

Maybe a second slot of jewelry? Not even sure tbh

[vocal surge]

I seen 2nd jewelry slots avail

[potent pivot]

Yeah I feel like I’ve seen pve gear proc with 2

[vocal surge]

Imb4 we gotta grind more heliotropes

For the jewelry

[potent pivot]

Probably

[neat laurel]

Lose more

[snow harness]

what should i prio on the rogue after i hit 18% haste, more versa or more mastery, im thinkin mastery

for like gems/enchants etc

[stoic spruce]

leveld my vulp before my undead lol

what am I DOING??

I take bits too far sometimes

[gusty hedge]

Fresh 90! Missing 3 off pieces

[snow harness]

that shell trinket lowkey op lol

[gusty hedge]

it really is

pally bubble? ok i bubble too

[gleaming sentinel]

which?

[gusty hedge]

dont remember the name but it gives agility stat and an absorbtion shield for 1 min long, i was lucky to get one at 81 with 207 ilvl 300K+ absorb shield tank trinket for druid im guessing

[potent pivot]

Mastery yeah but it’s debatable whether or not you want to run mastery engi pieces for example

[outer sky]

I'm thinking not. Gotta remember our great caster overlords lost some tools to help peel for us between goes

[snow harness]

when i first saw that trinket i was lowkey wondering if it was decent to use in pvp since the shield is so big, but its prob not worth losing the 2 trinket bonus of stam/main stat

but its literally like wearing 10 battlemaster trinkets at the same time lol

[modest ore]

is there usage for sparks in pvp?

or is it more of a pve thing

[outer sky]

pve only

[neon spire]

im new to rogue kings, whats the big pumper sub bgs/solo build

[outer sky]

Same build as in the pins

[neon spire]

oh damn didnt see it was updated, tyvm

[odd moth]

does solo shuffle 1600 count for catalyst rating next week? or do you need to get 1600s in 2s etc

[potent pivot]

It does

[odd moth]

ty ty

[hybrid sapphire]

btw im stacking full haste as assa and my energy regen doesnt seem too bad anymore

[outer sky]

Great you'll have a full bar of energy while tickling the enemy team and getting ran down

[hybrid sapphire]

booooooooooo

[potent pivot]

Assa burst isn’t bad ngl

[neat laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/south-park-comedic-jared-fogle-tickle-monster-animated-gif-16132613828041800478

[hybrid sapphire]

2026 assa year of vindication

[outer sky]

It needs to be a lot better than "not bad"

[potent pivot]

It’s good

Noob

[rough rock]

Hey hey you guys had a whole expansion of fun

[snow harness]

kings bane burst?

[hybrid sapphire]

my kingy-b is doing crazy dam

[outer sky]

https://tenor.com/view/twitching-smile-annoyed-forced-smile-you-said-what-gif-17260425188220456805

[hybrid sapphire]

one epic bg win

[severe helm]

whats "burst"? - Outlaw

[stoic spruce]

Weird, I just lost one and got 762

[hybrid sapphire]

[severe helm]

damn thats it?

[stoic spruce]

I think blizz hates you big dawg

Just cancel your sub tbh

[hybrid sapphire]

My Smoke Too Tough. My Swag Too Different

[proven field]

assa feels fine in BGs; think it'll suffer if you don't push on your first go as once you're out of tea and waiting on Deathmark to come back, you're on your heels for 2 minutes

(for arena that is)

[frozen walrus]

I know everyone says it's bad, but I really prefer Outlaw Trickster.

[stoic spruce]

Not everyone can be correct

It's okay

[snow harness]

i am noticing a bug

i just had 607k hp in an arena lol

but its supposed to be 505k

im not sure why that happened

[severe helm]

what about it do you prefer

[proven field]

the tricks mainly

and the ster

60:40 tricks to ster ratio really

[frozen walrus]

I kinda enjoy Killing Spree. Plus I just feel like I do a little more DMG on it.

[severe helm]

yeah I wish new KS didnt hit random targets

[frozen walrus]

I agree!!!! Would be so amazing if it just hit your target.

[severe helm]

not sure what the fuck they were thinking with that one

[frozen walrus]

I'm sure they had PVE in mind. AOE spam on M+

[severe helm]

nope

its not aoe

its even worse in m+ lol

[frozen walrus]

Wait, seriously??

[severe helm]

yep

its not an aoe

its a single target

that hits random targets

its the worst of both worlds essentially

[frozen walrus]

Question then: If I am soloing a guy, and he is the only one around, he will take all the shots right?

[severe helm]

yeah

[proven field]

man, if you get a full garrote and rupture on someone, toss on that deathmark into KS and hit them with the Implacable Kingsbane, you actually kind of melt people

kind of like if feral frenzy and old killing spree had a baby

[severe helm]

whats KS on assa?

[proven field]

kidney shot

[severe helm]

oh

[proven field]

because I run sudden demise, the implacable hits with the fat bleeds pushes them into instant execute super fast

[molten hedge]

yea it can deff kill in a kidney during its burst i think

[proven field]

caught a bunch of healers tonight who thought they could just sit the stun before CHOPCHOPCHOP to 35% and then...

https://klipy.com/gifs/death-101

[severe helm]

have they added whitelist/blacklist to nameplates yet for debuffs?

[rough rock]

It’s stupid fun when hitting prep and doing 2 KS’s

But I just swapped back to fb and…the dispatch damage is crazy lmao

[rough rock]

Nope

[severe helm]

neat

[rough rock]

Small indie company

Apparently the dummies scale now

At work so can’t test but also apparently they don’t scale with modifiers lmao

[stoic spruce]

https://youtu.be/Ct0Oi3Wu_Rk

Immediately thought of this

[vocal surge]

Dispatch hitting like a noodle for me

On FB over Trickster

[severe helm]

dispatch just hits like a noodle

[tall finch]

hey everyone, anyone having problems with targeting in BGs? since the new name template i am having problem, and also at dungeons

you dont know who is ur team and who is against u

[dark moon]

Disable friendly class color nameplates

Cause its dumb af

[gusty hedge]

@potent pivot @spring bough might grab and say fuck it

[potent pivot]

man i can't get over how expensive shit has gotten

i would highly recommend checking out DDR4 RAM though maybe, its legit like -50% or more in price

oh wait you can't use ddr4/ddr5 interchangably can you

you have to get whatever the motherboard requires?

[gusty hedge]

yeah am4 ddr4 am5 ddr5
was debating looking at the price if i should just get x3d cpu for am4 and put off the am5 build till next year or later if the x3d cpu is best and noticeable for gaming

[tall finch]

is there a way i can make it like before?? and the names appear in red, like before?

[potent pivot]

they do scale your gear now, and as far as i can tell your talents as well. dummies have never been good at scaling ALL talent/spell modifiers which is partially why they are so unreliable to use for testing purposes

[potent pivot]

can you give an example screenshot of the issue

[rotund fulcrum]

Do the boxes from BGs have a chance to give a PvP crafting recipe?

[potent pivot]

they did last expansion so i assume so

[vocal surge]

Yes

[dark moon]

Yes they drop. Sold a couple for 50k

[dark moon]

Im not sure how they were before, cause i haven't played with friendly nameplates

[rare vector]

guys do youj know about addon similiar to Big Debuffs? Big Debuffs is constantly giving me lua errors

[potent pivot]

minicc

[rare vector]

gonna give it a try, thanks

[vocal surge]

Lvl 35 Valeera takes a while to level xD

atleast 12 green curio tokens equal 1 entire delve run

87500 XP for lvl 36 >.>

[potent pivot]

I was trying the shadowguard spam on my dh

Kinda felt like I needed meta to do it properly which slowed it down a fair bit

Could be from it being in tww s2 gear as well tho

[latent void]

which spec is easiest for a noob in pvp to do solid in?

[rough rock]

Sub

[vocal surge]

New addiction found for Outlaw

Trickshot kill someone while grappling away using 20 stack Zero-In Between the Eyes crit

[gleaming sentinel]

lots of dunking on wow rn, but i have to say slayer's rise is a banger

i like the bg and the zone a lot

[molten hedge]

It’s good that they made same faction attackable in certain areas bc there’s not enough horde to go around lol

[rough rock]

Lmao doing that in prepatch is what got me hooked on outlaw

[rough rock]

Well the 400 of you grouped are scared to do 1v1s

[vocal surge]

talking facing away

mid grapple, 360 no scope em

[rough rock]

wtf can you do that

[vocal surge]

Yea

[rough rock]

How are you comfortably getting 20 stacks I feel like I gotta watch my health bar go to zero before I even see 15 😭

[vocal surge]

Jackpot

[molten hedge]

I was on my orc 😫

[spring bough]

Week 2 we unlocking catalyst unbound achieve lol

Actually crazy that we can get catalyst drops when we get that achievement 🔥

[vocal surge]

Aye

Btw this Pickaxe is giving mad Finesse lol

Its even Finessing its Finesse

[dark kernel]

Huh

Is that for next week?

[spring bough]

I’m saying if you get tier from regular raid and can get the set early it could help out with catalyzing PvP gear earlier than we have before

[dark kernel]

Yeah okay

[spring bough]

As long as you get the catalyst drops from stuff

[dark kernel]

Same as last season

So we rush 1600 and do LFR

And raid

[spring bough]

Should be able to get four set with PvP ilvl way sooner

[dark kernel]

To max vault

[spring bough]

I mean week 1 is 2/4

[dark kernel]

It's not guaranteed I think oh wait we start with a charge now

I forgot

[spring bough]

Get a drop from raid and vault and then boom catalyze conquest gear right after if u get charge drops

So would have to run some pve content for chances at the charges

[dark kernel]

So wait Catalyst charges drop now?

That's the new piece of information I'm hearing

[spring bough]

I wonder if the charges can drop from PvP stuff

[spring bough]

Yes when u get the achievement unlocked

[dark kernel]

Okay, so getting 1600 before we do ANY content is priority

If that sounds right

[spring bough]

They dropped in season 3 of TWW but it was time gated for later in the season

This achieve will unlock it right away

[spring bough]

I guess yeah so u can get a cata charge and get 2/4 early

[gleaming sentinel]

The pro move is to get 1600-1800 early and just chill on that cr for a few months

Get some healthy mmr gains

[dark kernel]

Honestly, while you are correct I think really just pushing as high as feasibly possible as early as possible

Especially if you are rogue because we always get the two week Nerf bat we never get the buff

So you're kind of hurting yourself by not playing

[spring bough]

I’m not letting what happened to me in season 3 happen again lol

2380 week one then we got hotfixed and just tanked after that

Had to get elite in blitz on the rogue 😭

[gleaming sentinel]

outlaw gonna get a buff if anything

[dark kernel]

That fucking sesson

Pissed me off so much

[spring bough]

Hope so

[dark kernel]

And I was so sick, that I did a 2400 push as assa THE LAST WEEK

And I was so fucking stressed

Because I had to learn that spec while pushing

[spring bough]

Not gonna lie I’m still 50/50 on starting with Devourer or outlaw lol

Devourer just shitting dmg right now

[dark kernel]

I'm doing sub man

It's too fun

I plan to play outlaw too

[spring bough]

I’m actually liking the Devourer rotation of chasing as many collapsing stars as u can get off

The fact it can crit for 250k + is insane lol

[proven field]

It's too bad Aug isn't in a fantastic state right now because if you like Devo you'd love the play of Aug - it allows so many clutch plays, feels very outlaw/combat'y

[spring bough]

Last time I played aug or devo was back in dragon flight when it was OP lol

[proven field]

there's a group of us who seem to get the same itch... outlaw, surv, devourer, enh, aug sits in there big time

[spring bough]

When aug was doing more dmg than most dps lol

[proven field]

https://klipy.com/gifs/it-was-incredible-amazing

it was only for short 4-5 seconds periods followed by aggressively kiting and lining while saying 'o shit o shit o shit he comin' but it was fun

[dark kernel]

Disc is doing more damage than DPS right now

Spec can be nuts

[proven field]

i always felt like balance largely meant everyone roughly puts the same output out if played well..if the ceiling is say 12M in a BG, good dps are 10M dmg 2M healing, a good tank likely 6/6, a good healer likely 2M and 10M. Feels crazy when you do 10M dmg, 2M healing, and then the disc is like "time for 8M dmg and 10M healing"

maybe that's just my smooth brain thinking, but feels like that's how it should largely work

[potent pivot]

whaazz talking about hearing mvq is making addons he'll only be giving to his homies 💀

[grave basin]

im about to go crazy

and go on my gaurdian druid arc

[vocal surge]

imb4 M+ Vault rewards ilvl 289 set piece

[spring bough]

What u doing 12s week one lol

Or 10s I guess unlock it on vault it so shouldn’t be too bad

[vocal surge]

only need +10s to do that

lol

[spring bough]

Yeah 10s week one shouldn’t be bad at all honestly

[vocal surge]

Yeee

[spring bough]

Bout to ask AI to recreate it

[vocal surge]

Full ilvl 266 + Vault + AOTC + Elite W1

would be peak

[potent pivot]

wdym

[spring bough]

Cause mvq addon all AI slop isn’t it lol

[potent pivot]

ya but supposedly it won't be public or streamed

[spring bough]

Isn’t there gonna be 3 AOTC? Or is it only gonna be one lol

[potent pivot]

only his awc team will have it basically

which lowkey sounds dirty

[vocal surge]

Prob 3 lol

[spring bough]

Time to get the mass report bots ready LMAO

[vocal surge]

Blacklist all addons from PvP

[spring bough]

Pls not my MiniCC

[potent pivot]

people will just backdoor them sharing on the back end

[vocal surge]

btw im ready to start doing Trickshots in PvP

[spring bough]

What you mean

[outer sky]

I feel like this whole 3 tier release raid is just them being lazy

Cant be bothered anymore to design the whole raid all at once

[vocal surge]

Mid Grapple Between the Eyes

[spring bough]

Bring on the clips lol

[spring bough]

An extra week so they can fix and tweak March on Quel raid 😂

[potent pivot]

?

they've done this before

[outer sky]

And it was lazy

[potent pivot]

designing 3 raids lazier than 1

math ain't mathin

[frozen walrus]

Anyone use an add-on that puts our combo points over our targets nameplate?

[outer sky]

Platynator has that option

[potent pivot]

any nameplate addon tbh

betterblizzplates, platynator, etc

[frozen walrus]

Thanks!

[spring bough]

Platy the 🐐

[vocal surge]

Im punching air rn

I just pulled it off

and I wasn't recording

Imagine casting Between the Eyes

Pistol out forward

Grappling away from the target

And the bullet goes the opposite direction

From where your grappling to

Thats what I did

[spring bough]

Funny asf can’t wait to see a clip

[vocal surge]

Imma go to bed lol

Its so late rn

[spring bough]

It’s 11am lmao

[outer sky]

Wtf

Where are you located

That its late

[vocal surge]

Its 8am

Ive not slept all night

Trying to do this lol

And practicing it

[outer sky]

What is it exactly?

[vocal surge]

Trickshot Between the Eyes

During a Grapple Hook going away from the target

[vocal surge]

Essentially I'm trying to condense the damage of 2 Between the Eyes into a far smaller time frame

Since Between the Eyes now has a projectile attack

[stoic spruce]

does it really?

[vocal surge]

Instead of TWW and previous expansion's hitscan

Yeee

[stoic spruce]

bout damn time

[vocal surge]

It was a change they made to BTE in Midnight

BTE now has a projectile

If you can manipulate the 1st by going away via Grapple Hook and do a BTE after a grapple

You can take advantage in the animation lock delay of BTE's launch

And the travel time to fire off a 2nd BTE when you land

Assuming Ace or Gravedigger proc

And this is more condensed damage than if you were to do your rotation normally

[frozen walrus]

Thats odd because I thought Dispatch was supposed to hit harder as Trickster because of Coupe De Grace?

[spring bough]

RIP to the 30 yard dispatches during crack shots 😂

[spring bough]

Fatebound just better all around. Fatebound also most likely using 2/2 dispatcher making dispatch stronger

[frozen walrus]

You talking about the Talent Summarily Dispatch?

[spring bough]

Yeah

With trickster probably not taking 2/2 cause u gotta get KS

[frozen walrus]

I am running that as well as KS

[spring bough]

Are u not running prep or KIR then?

[frozen walrus]

I run prep

Not KIR

[spring bough]

And are u running heavy hitter / the one below it

[frozen walrus]

Yes I am running Heavy HItter

[spring bough]

Find an opening*

[frozen walrus]

I am not runing Find an Opening

[spring bough]

Your dispatch probably a bit higher than fatebound if you got 2/2 summarily then. Feels like fate gets more dispatches off from what I’ve played tho

Fate usually finishes 5 on dispatch and idk just kinda pumps out dmg lol

[frozen walrus]

Nice

[proven field]

woah, a BG with four assa rogues; what is happening

[stoic spruce]

I want to know who "everyone" was that Trickz thought was enough to run KS

and put it in the build in the pins

[spring bough]

Is the build in the pins fatebound?

[stoic spruce]

yeah lol

[tribal badger]

wait fatebound is being recommended to run kspree 😰

[spring bough]

Gross

Absolutely gross

[tribal badger]

in pve its literally a dps loss to even press the spell if u talent it as fatebound

i cannot imagine pvp suddenly makes it more reasonable when its even easier to have cancelled in pvp

[potent pivot]

in pve waow omigawd

[stoic spruce]

theres a disclaimer so

[tribal badger]

i mean thats the base damage of the spell right

if its costing more dps then just pressing a normal finisher and some builders

🤔

[spring bough]

I will never take KS for PvP

[tribal badger]

obviously its not 1:1

the reason ks is ass is its just ass tho

did they add some pvp mods to it

[stoic spruce]

no

[potent pivot]

none of you have my secret hidden leak knowledge so

[stoic spruce]

oh shit

[spring bough]

Whatever it is KS as fatebound is absolutely dog shit

[stoic spruce]

no no

maybe he has a 1-shot

[spring bough]

Oh we posting cheese builds now?

[tribal badger]

the bte thing is more interesting an idea but i feel like it would be easier to pull off by starting from 30 yards away, bteing with gravedigger ready, then grappling in as u cast it to recast the proc

[stoic spruce]

I can RP as Sub

[potent pivot]

750% KS buff announcement friday

get rekt

[tribal badger]

i mean its possible

i was just commenting on its current tuning

[spring bough]

Yeah ight I’ll keep dreaming lmao

[stoic spruce]

I lowkey wouldnt be surprised

[tribal badger]

at least in pve, its tuned so badly the only reason trickster takes it and presses is because it procs ur hidden blades

im 90% certain that if u talent it as fatebound, and press it, its a dps loss to press beyond the dps loss u took for talenting it

because its just worse then a finisher and 2 builders woulda been

[spring bough]

2/2 summarily better than 1/2 and taking KS for fatebound by far

[tribal badger]

it really should have gotten some pvp talent to empower it somehow in pvp when they reworked it last expac ngl

they cut a bunch of outlaws pvp talents already, theres definitly room

making you cc proof during it, making u 100% dodge during it (like FoF parry), stuff like that

[outer sky]

If you did it once and are upset it wasnt recording then that means its probably not reliable enough to count on during games lol

[tribal badger]

actually my grapple idea would only work with fast grapple prob, the projectile from BtE is pretty fast

rip fast grapple

[outer sky]

Imagine playing outlaw rogue trying to make it not bad by manipulating projectile travel times with grappling hook when you could just play ret paladin instead and global someone from across the map with 2 buttons while completely immune to all damage and CC

[tribal badger]

oh to be clear i am not going to be focusing on pvp on my rogue (which i only really play outlaw on) this expac because the changes to the spec from a pvp PoV seem godawful

if i wanted to play a dps bot I'd pick something like that like u said

i was just musing on the funny idea of a double BtE instant hit for big damage

[outer sky]

Yeah outlaw and assa are basically leather warriors

[tribal badger]

they obliterated outlaws toolkit so much I cannot imagine it being a real spec in pvp unless it just does very good damage bot damage

which they could easily do, I just dont wanna play that

[outer sky]

Whenever outlaw does good damage it gets nerfed becasue its damage profile usually isnt burst its just an unending onslaught of heavy steady cleave damage

And then when sub does good damage it gets nerfed because its too bursty with too much CC

Assa is really the only rogue spec blizzard seems to be comfortable with doing high damage for a whole season

[tribal badger]

itll be interesting to see, sub is a more reasonable spec to allow to have good damage with cheap shot having a dedicated CD

subs control has definitly been reduced quite a bit (everyones i guess i should say really)

[outer sky]

Have you played it?

Im guessing not

[tribal badger]

no i have not, did they not reduce its cc like the changes made it sound?

they havent done any real tuning for this expac yet (pvp or pve) the stuff on beta was all very early and untested tuning so I'm not taking any numbers in the game super seriously rn

[outer sky]

I know the changes make it sound that way but in practice the increased shadow dance uptime and the shorter time between DR resets gave it more CC than its ever had before

[tribal badger]

but each window is shorter or no?

[outer sky]

In the past as sub sometimes id want to stun somebody but I couldn't. That NEVER happens now

Yeah 6s instead of 7

[tribal badger]

oh wait do you guys have a way to bypass the 15s cheap shot cd

[outer sky]

Yes lol

[tribal badger]

ok then why did they even add it

[outer sky]

Sub has a talent where every time you vanish or shadow dance cheap shot ignores its cooldown

So you get 2

But you can stack that. So like you can dance, cheap shot somebody, then vanish and double cheap somebody else

And ofc theres still kidney

[tribal badger]

i see so the 15s Cheap cd was more aimed at outlaw and sin ig

[outer sky]

Its 12s not 15

And yeah its borderline irrelevant for sub

[tribal badger]

funny cause outlaw basically lost its access to cheap shot anyway but not it has a cd on top of that. i guess it doesnt really matter since you only get 1 cheap shot every ~2m as outlaw

[outer sky]

And as sin

[tribal badger]

yea idk if they run double charge vanish or not but I'd imagine not

[outer sky]

Cheap shot is basically a storm bolt tied to a 2m cd

[tribal badger]

thrilling gameplay

i guess we'll see where the season goes

[outer sky]

While anyone will tell you im the last person to put my faith in blizzard, I think this cheap shot change is actually so unbalanced that blizzard will be forced to address it

Because its basically impossible for there to ever be a rogue spec played in pvp besides sub now. Numbers tuning wont even matter much

I just hope they fix it by buffing assa and outlaw and not by gutting sub too

[proven field]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/1205-ptr-development-notes/2270121 no rogue notes yet

[outer sky]

Those arent tuning notes

We get tuning notes Fridays and/or Mondays

So expect something tomorrow

And rogues will 1000000% be hit

[spring bough]

Guess we got the weekend to level a backup option 😂

[proven field]

no this is next mini-patch notes

[dark kernel]

Yes

It's specifically NOT balance notes

For tuesday

[dark kernel]

We won't have any tomorrow.

But yes Monday

It's time

[outer sky]

Why not tomorrow?

[dark kernel]

Because blizzard specifically said it won't be until 03/17

Like just so we don't get antsy

[spring bough]

That’s when they go live so the notes gotta be before that right?

Thought the next tuning goes live 3/17 and the Tuesday after is another pass

[outer sky]

Thats tuesday bro

Thats when they go into effect

Not when we get the notes

[dark kernel]

I assume blizz will tell us Monday at least

Like logically speaking

But I doubt we get earlier

They're busy fixing a ton of shit

[tribal badger]

they have a tendancy to announce tunings on friday nights but obviously it could be at any point between now and tuesday

the only thing we know for sure is tuning will hit on tuesday

[outer sky]

If it was just pvp tuning id agree with you but heroic week is starting im sure they want to give people the weekend to plan their comps

[dark kernel]

I hope you're right

I rather get disappointed sooner than later

I still don't think any rogue spec is overpowered so hopefully not bad

[molten hedge]

Yeah notes always drop Fridays lol

[grave basin]

so what we expecting for tmr

11% increase to sinister strike, 11% increase to mutilate, 20% nerf to sec tec?

how are we doing in slayer's rise

[outer sky]

I say probably 3% buff across the board to outlaw, nothing to assa, and sectec nerfed by 20%, shadow strike nerfed by 15%, and all sub damage nerded by 10%

[dark kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/gun-tears-cat-point-gun-crying-cat-gif-17741904

[spring bough]

Did yall read about the new turbo boost rolls for the next patch? Seems pretty cool

[dark kernel]

No?

[spring bough]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/bonus-rolls-are-returning-in-patch-12-0-5-with-knockout-system-380757

Looks like no vendors now and it’ll be bonus rolls

[dark kernel]

Oh so we're going BACK in time now

[proven field]

https://klipy.com/gifs/and-so-it-begins-6

[jolly sierra]

oh fuck

[spring bough]

Feels like the coins from legion lmao

We bringing back Titanforged too while we at it??

[jolly sierra]

the ones from BFA

when you used to reroll for dres trinket

[tribal badger]

bonus rolls but it always give an item

so better then that system but yea

guess they are trying out dinar replacements

[grave basin]

Battle Visage is intended to be a toggleable spell for Evokers like Chosen Identity, that while active causes your character to automatically switch to their Dracthyr form for spells that require their draconic physique. After the spell is finished, they will automatically return to Visage form.

yo

big

[gleaming sentinel]

Huge rogue changes did you guys see them?

[outer sky]

Stop BSing us

[proven field]

sounds like it's making people sick from the camera lol

damn that's one heavy coin

[dark kernel]

Holy fuck

[outer sky]

Ah finally they fixed the issue with the Silvermoon PvP training dummies. They scale you up now

[proven field]

lol he prolly said the same thing "what the fuck hit me... a coin? bullshit"

[dark kernel]

That's actually big

[dark moon]

Outlaw?

[halcyon timber]

“Impressive.. very nice. Now lets see Paul Allan’s Fatebound Coin”

[lime oar]

a fellow coinflipper lesgooooo

[gilded gulch]

2 wep wqs

both outlaw weps

[dark kernel]

I wish I could get a 240 wep for ourlaw

So I could do some pve

Dagger is too good

[proven field]

assa

[proven field]

https://klipy.com/gifs/meme-american-psycho-2

[halcyon timber]

Overflowing purse is filthy too, especially after AR flips 2 so a multi hit cascade occurs.

[proven field]

it goes both ways though 🙁

right in the butthole as I was taking GM.. just ghosted

[outer sky]

@potent pivot is this really the best talent to put this point in? I know all the options are trash but I'd think even poison bomb would be better than this garbage

[spring bough]

So I figured out with Devourer DH… I can run the same annihilator build in keys, raid, and PvP

[stoic spruce]

RAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH OUTLAW IS THE BEST RAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[untold prawn]

new to pvp, what is sub rogues job in battlegrounds ?

[jaunty osprey]

Crimson tempest

[outer sky]

Pinned build also still takes Airborne irritant

[jaunty osprey]

I shared a better build with Notrickz

[outer sky]

Ok but really

[jaunty osprey]

I’m not kidding

lol

[outer sky]

Can you paste your build please

[jaunty osprey]

A lot more similar to last season, but it’s been working for me in skirmishes and R1 wargames - can switch to fatebound as well

https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/rogue/assassination/deathstalker/EAPFFRVVVAVUVQmJBQCBENVVRFVRkFGUEhdCUAFFVVVUCFA

[outer sky]

Isnt deathstalker bugged?

[jaunty osprey]

But also, using the pinned talents is fine too - just drop Doomblade for CT

and only press CT when they’re stacked and you have full duration/pandemiced bleeds out

[jaunty osprey]

I think so, but the rot talents are too good to give up for that exact build

[proven field]

feels like over time they parse almost identically - I can't find trhe difference

[jaunty osprey]

but it works w fatebound too

[outer sky]

Dropping Zolydk???

[jaunty osprey]

Yes for sudden demise

Sudden demise = ALWAYS extra bleed damage

vs only bleed damage during low hp windows

[outer sky]

With this build are you waiting for deathmark to expire before pressing kingsbane to get the Lingering Darkness buff?

[jaunty osprey]

I was just sending Kingsbane more often/whenever I wanted and saving Deathmark for when they run out of defensives

idk still need to test more, but I definitely liked it more than the envenom build

For 3s

What have you been doing on Assa so far Zicore?

[proven field]

Kingsbane's Implacable can push people into Sudden Demise too, it feels so good

[jaunty osprey]

Ya

I wonder if we can drop 4 poisons if we have an MS on our team

[proven field]

i dont use them, but I may be completely dumb

how big do your envenoms get? stacking everything down the middle like that with DTB

[jaunty osprey]

You can hit a pretty big envenom with all mods, but it’s the same as a normal evis/sec tech as sub

😂

[gleaming sentinel]

https://tenor.com/view/jeremy-jamm-é-meu-agora-steal-sticker-peguei-figurinha-parks-and-rec-gif-7997728994855372653

[dark kernel]

I'm not playing it because I'm cursed

[molten hedge]

Zicore plying assa? Hahahhahaahah

[dark kernel]

We're mind gaming bliz

[gilded gulch]

wheres the gun

🔫

[proven field]

He has come for all three of us so many times, yet here he comes... into the fold

[spring bough]

hes a sub player now LOL

[warped gate]

While not playing around Crackshot anymore is cool and all, I really, really miss the regeneration of Soothing Darkness.

[tribal badger]

what you dont like outlaw being the squishiest rogue spec?

[warped gate]

Until I get enough Haste to get rid of Thistle Tea though, can't fit it in my build anywhere.

[tribal badger]

probably among the squishiest melee

[outer sky]

Ive just been playing the pinned build. Shit feels horrible

[tribal badger]

it still wouldnt be great

[warped gate]

It's wild how they want us to be infighters though.

[tribal badger]

vanish is no longer on RB

you only get 1 vanish every 2 minutes

[warped gate]

Yeah, but it's at least something besides Crimson Vial.

[gilded gulch]

its kind of weird if outlaw is the squishy spec

[warped gate]

I just get low and I'm like fuck.

[gilded gulch]

what is it good for?

[tribal badger]

being a pirate cowboy

[gilded gulch]

lower control than the other two

[tribal badger]

yeearrr

[gilded gulch]

affected by armor

[warped gate]

I Vanish and I'm just invisible and still low.

[gilded gulch]

less burst

[tribal badger]

in pve there is no such thing as enough haste to drop tea FWIW

the spec doesnt really function without tea and vigor

but pvps a bit different

downtime in ur rotation probably more acceptable

any day now they are gunna revert the RB pvp nerf they did to us because crackshots RB cdr was too much

now that its gone

annnnnnnny day

[warped gate]

[proven field]

play my version; its super fun - I use shiv/hemo, I use vanish as a dps CD to grab more big silencing garrotes, I run Deadly Poison, I save full kidney for 60% or so HP and then Kingsbane them into sudden demise, it's a goddamn blast to play

its everything wrong, I am ok with it; but it's super fun in BGs

[tribal badger]

what is shiv for

[proven field]

hemo

[outer sky]

Hemo since hes playing dps poison

Needs an MS

[tribal badger]

oh right right pvp talents

i was just perusing the other trees

couldnt find hemo

[proven field]

i use CT to keep everything bleeding forever

[outer sky]

Ive fucked around with hemo but pressing shiv just feels so bad

[proven field]

nah that 85% slow is chefs kiss

[outer sky]

You already have everyone slowed by 65%

[proven field]

i warned you I was dumb, just try it

[spring bough]

ima get dev dh nerfed with the amnt of dmg im doing in BGs lmaoooo

[proven field]

i would tell outlaw folks to try it.. mog 1h swords, this feels most OG rogue to me now and I challenged the brotherhood 20 years ago

[outer sky]

One thing I will say is not needing to shiv does speed up the rotation a bit

Now the "burst" is just deathmark>kingsbane

[jaunty osprey]

Assa just feels horrible

[proven field]

yeah Implacable can do 100-200k

[outer sky]

Wow if even you say that then it must be REALLY fucked

[proven field]

you missing out on this implacable burst, its so damn fun, im tellin u

[spring bough]

I think my intel CPU is cooked

Keyboard and mouse stop working. Force restart….. “bios failure detected” FML

This 14900 finally fried 😭

[stoic spruce]

noooooooooo

that sucks

[spring bough]

amazon overnight delivery only 467 not too bad for a new one lol

im not tryna change motherboards and go to a diff cpu at this point and i updated the BIOS to the latest one released in december.... maybe just a bad cpu idk

[outer sky]

Yall complicate this shit way too much

Ive had the same laptop I paid $600 for, for the last 5+ years

And its fine

[spring bough]

apparently when i first got this CPU i didnt update the BIOS for like a week and that is probably what cooked me

[outer sky]

What do these changes even mean?

[tribal badger]

datamining nonsense 99% of the time, wait for the real blue notes on the changes to see what actually happened

[outer sky]

In the 2nd one it looks like they just corrected a typo in the word "shuriken"

[spring bough]

Damn AI misspelling

[tribal badger]

usually its them changing how spells do their effects or stuff like that behind the scenes or fixing tooltips and whatnot with no actual effect to the spell. sometimes it is, but if it is itll show up in the real notes

[woven copper]

Hey, how can I configure it so that pets are not targeted? I understand perfectly well that everyone uses macros in the arena, but I don't find them convenient to use. I used to have some kind of add-on (like Retabbinder), but it doesn't work now, and I have to manually switch between enemy players or targets in the settings every time.

[halcyon timber]

You can use the in game target enemy player set to a keybind

[jaunty osprey]

Author of minicc has a retab addon too

[jaunty osprey]

It looks like it went from modifying Shiv debuff on target to add the -30% healing flag to hemotoxin proccing a new debuff

is what it reads like

Aka Shiv applies Hemotoxin debuff

instead of shiv debuff being -30% healing

[severe helm]

isnt this just a setting

[spring bough]

his press release addon is pretty good

[hidden moth]

Wow so I’m not the only one

Who thinks the assa changes are fucking chalked

[woven copper]

Unfortunately

[jaunty osprey]

ya, it’s what snowfallkeypress used to be

back in the original WOTLK/Cata days

[spring bough]

feels like my devourer is OP with it lol

just spamming keys sending shit the second it can

[jaunty osprey]

Yes, but better to have an addon change your binds from enemy player to enemies when in PVE vs PVP

[severe helm]

ah its just for switching when doing different content I see

[jaunty osprey]

Yeah, the way the spec is built is that it requires too much uptime to keep bleeds up + chaining envenoms + spending CP on Kidney shot + farming CPs back to get back to spamming envenoms while keeping bleeds up again

but unfortunately we don’t have near 100% uptime in PvP

I feel like Assa UHDK will be a pretty decent comp next season

With a voidweaver or fistweaver

Hpal COULD be ok

[molten hedge]

Who’s got money on kalshi for uhdk getting nerfed Tuesday

[jaunty osprey]

10000000%

[analog tapir]

all assa rogues! i need ur attention! we must figure out how to make assa decent in pvp..there must be away

[jaunty osprey]

But who knows, not that many DK players

[molten hedge]

Assa dev isn’t bad. It has the stuns you lack and everyone’s slowed the entire game so that helps you

[jaunty osprey]

Spec sub

[jaunty osprey]

No kill pressure, just a lot of fake damage

[spring bough]

dont they have bugs that are boosting their damage? bugs get fixed they get nuked a bit lol

[molten hedge]

Devs mastery is fucked

[gleaming sentinel]

Would be cool if we can see how often that “danger close” talent works. Like an addon that has like… details

[rough rock]

They’re removing glacial spike from generating out of combat lmao

[analog tapir]

i dunno it feels booring to me 🙁 i just want a playble build that would work in ss when season start

[rough rock]

Sad frost noises

Unholy actually got some buffs what a new world

[molten hedge]

I remember you playing dev assa with montage last ssn. Saw you guys run into palus team before AWC

[molten hedge]

What buffs

[rough rock]

https://www.bluetracker.gg/wow/topic/us-en/2270121-1205-ptr-development-notes/

[potent pivot]

12.0.5

[vocal surge]

Yooooo

That changes everything

[analog tapir]

what changes anything?

no updates with rogues as i can see

[spring bough]

That’s not even for Tuesday 🤦‍♂️

[spring bough]

This

[vocal surge]

How we gear

ilvl 298 pieces of gear

[molten hedge]

? That’s conquest gear that isnt out yet

[vocal surge]

this the .5 patchnotes we talking about

[spring bough]

Our PvP gear ilvl just gonna auto upgrade to that when that patch drops

[untold prawn]

what is the best craft to make ?

[severe helm]

What did assa lose in its kit mainly cc wise? The cheap shot CD and garrote silence no longer aoe right?

[potent pivot]

ya

[severe helm]

So it might still end up viable if they just tune it up a bit?

[potent pivot]

sparks are for pve

[untold prawn]

so we dont craft anything with it now ?

[potent pivot]

not for pvp

[untold prawn]

ah oke

so no emlishments etc

odd but idm

[potent pivot]

we do get embellishments. we just don't use sparks for pvp

[untold prawn]

with what do we craft then ?

[potent pivot]

think u replied to the wrong msg

[potent pivot]

Heraldries

they aren't out yet

[analog tapir]

oh cvrap

[spring bough]

We get the PvP quest Tuesday. We will get 9. U can craft then

[untold prawn]

ah was confused already

sick thanx !

[rough rock]

Oooo drac forms can be permanent now

[spring bough]

Most usually do amulets to start since they cost 3 a pop to make

[rough rock]

Lowkey might night need to make a rogue one

[spring bough]

And the amulets auto have socket on them this time

[rough rock]

Imagine thinking you’re about to kill a rogue and he tail whips you away

[analog tapir]

not sure mate we lack cc and our damage is only good with DM

[potent pivot]

@severe helm do you know what all the API changes mean

[severe helm]

I hadn't read up on it can you link?

[potent pivot]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/blizzard-explains-why-most-debuffs-are-private-auras-in-midnight-season-1-380762

[severe helm]

Busy work day I'm behind on all the news lol

[hidden moth]

I’m just hitting that reroll button homie ngl

If I play rogue in PvP it’s gonna be sub

[spring bough]

Still enjoying Devourer? lol

I’m clenched waiting for this notes they better not nuke it