pvp

[spring bough]

just obliterates ppl

[severe helm]

so if you rejust near a frost mage 40 yards away

youll get rando lanced

[stoic spruce]

Oh yeah the mages I couldn't kill were frost

That's crazy you brought that up. I haven't seen any other spec.

[potent pivot]

I’m thinking insignia yeah tbh

The proc one

Will kinda depend on the meta as a whole too

[stoic spruce]

What'd you call me?

[potent pivot]

Poopoo for brains

[stoic spruce]

[potent pivot]

[spring bough]

2 more items to go then full pvp gear... just gotta replace this wpvp set lol

collapsing star absolutely smashing people in BGs

[potent pivot]

spec felt kinda boring to me when i tried it out

the animations look cool and its prolly a lil more fun at 90 but it felt like it had so few buttons lol

[spring bough]

its fun chasing the 3rd / 4th collapsing star

if u get those off u can 100% to 0 someone in 2 buttons lol

[spring bough]

3 buttons to spam and 1 CD button LMAO

[potent pivot]

yeah it felt super odd to me

and the one attack lunging your target feels strange when you're supposed to be a ranged class ngl

[spring bough]

felblade? yeah mostly for CC with annihilator i really dont press it lol

[potent pivot]

i think you're supposed to press it a fair amount

[hidden moth]

the thing is the combos

[hidden moth]

they arnt ranged in the traditional sense they are a mid range fighter able to do mid range and melee combat.
think like dnd ranger or spell blade

[spring bough]

for rotation? not as annihilator

[hidden moth]

but the diving in and out is mostly fel scarred spec

[potent pivot]

in pve they do i'm pretty positive

[spring bough]

nah i was reading the DH disc earlier they dont for annihilator its just consume/reap/void ray and demon form lol

[hidden moth]

annihilator is the ranged hero spec

[sharp sierra]

8 losses later hahaha

actually smoked a gdruid on flag like 5x

[potent pivot]

you gotta be careful reading the DH disc homie

[sharp sierra]

yeah dh discord is .....

[spring bough]

thats ST the mythic rotation has no felblades

[sharp sierra]

something else

[potent pivot]

some cooktup shit be goin on in there sometimes

[sharp sierra]

one of them blocked me because i posted him talking shit about someone here in this discord

[potent pivot]

well yea but in pvp ST damage is goodge

[spring bough]

playing that eradicate tho

ST build doesnt unfort

[sharp sierra]

the DDHs i see in open world SLAM but in bgs i feel like i just watch them flop over

[spring bough]

eradicate does so much dmg

[hidden moth]

could be holding ifg they take

[spring bough]

my whole rotation is just get demon form into collapsing star then immediate eradicate into devour spams until next star rinse repeat

[grave basin]

My fav thing to do on beta was troll all the ddhs

[spring bough]

ST builds takes the talents that buff voidblade

[grave basin]

If you micro them during the CS cast its got a 5 second cd

First cast para

2nd cast sweep

3rd rop

I can feel them seething

[hidden moth]

they dont lose casts though

[grave basin]

Its goes on cd

[hidden moth]

yea but

u can still build souls

[grave basin]

And completely cucks your dam

[hidden moth]

and if u get 60 souls

u can bomb bomb

[spring bough]

have to give up eradicate to get devourers bite RIP

[sharp sierra]

if mage had a melee spec...

id never look back

id KILL for a spellblade

[grave basin]

If you get constantly microd on cs casts im p sure you cant get more than 2

In your void meta window

[spring bough]

yeah its kinda a buzzkill getting CC during it... but i took the pvp talent where it casts faster and cant be interrupted

by the 2nd / 3rd the cast time is like 1.5 seconds or less lmao

[grave basin]

Yea but dont have to kick it

[spring bough]

3rd i think its less

[sharp sierra]

how are you liking it for world pvp and questing?

[grave basin]

Can grip it

Pet stun

[spring bough]

it absolutely destroys when it ramps up but the ramp up takes a min lol

[sharp sierra]

yeah idk i might not do dh this expac, i still wanna play my mage as an alt but man spriest is looking scary

i also prefer the fantasy of spriest but mage is too fun

[potent pivot]

seems like thats the main difference between ST/AoE

Bite VS Eradicate

and hero tree

feels like they really cooked on devourer's talents though i gotta be honest

a lot of interesting talents, cool icons

the pvp talents seem decent

[hidden moth]

yeah

the icon changes were dope

[spring bough]

i try to save my aoe stun for right before the first one

and its been working well

and then getting off 2nd/3rd feels like a breeze

[potent pivot]

i can't get over how bad this is

[sharp sierra]

ig everyone is just doing ai bgs for honor farm

[potent pivot]

what is this quest set maaaaan

[grave basin]

It doesnt look too bad

The colours are just piss

[potent pivot]

bro

[spring bough]

ques are pretty quick

[potent pivot]

the wpvp set looks better

[grave basin]

And i mean that quite literally

Why is it piss colored

[spring bough]

its recycled tier 4 kinda with a shitty ass helm

and terrible colors

[sharp sierra]

when is this discord gonna do a 10 man rogue bg group

[spring bough]

rogue only? lol

[sharp sierra]

yes ofc

with one healer of course

[spring bough]

brb gotta level mine

[grave basin]

Im vibing with the low fantasy sets once in a while

[spring bough]

when is the next timewalk dungeon week

[grave basin]

But it needs good colors

[spring bough]

might wait for that to level the rogue

[sharp sierra]

i want another set like the ghost pirate one

that one was HOT

[grave basin]

Either full charcoal black or black red

What is this black yellow bee theme

Its not even black its like grey

[spring bough]

week of march 31 when march on quel drops is a t imewalk week LETTS GO

[sharp sierra]

dude yeah wtf 30 second que pop for ai bg

and its cart

[potent pivot]

idk man it looks like open world gear from dragonflight to me

[sharp sierra]

ez farm

[potent pivot]

compared to this

and this

[sharp sierra]

am i the only one that prefers the old uhdk

[spring bough]

has to be the best one

lock sets look like sargeri 2.0

[potent pivot]

yea i might play lock in pvp for the first time ever to snag those

[spring bough]

demo looks unreal

[potent pivot]

wdym

[sharp sierra]

i liked the playstyle more with festering wounds

[spring bough]

the ghouls seem fun

[potent pivot]

yeah it feels like its missing something now

but then again so does almost every spec in the game

[outer sky]

Ok, which one of y'all is hyping me up? lol

Dont write checks I can't cash!

[sharp sierra]

lmao what chat

[outer sky]

Partywaffles

[spring bough]

AI

[sharp sierra]

[spring bough]

yeah bro

devourer when u build up and get 3 or 4 stars off absolutely shits dmg and the haste is insane

devour cast becomes sub 1 second

[potent pivot]

_>

[vocal surge]

Went to go cook

Made a meal so good

im full but still hungry

and we're all out

[outer sky]

where I live thats when I grab the 'ol .22 and start looking for squirrels

idk if youve ever had squirrel meat

its actually quite good

a bit tough but you can cook it down in a stew

and its actually very good

[vocal surge]

Never had it lol

[outer sky]

You ain't hunted till you hunted like this my boi. Allow me to introduce you to my hounds.

[sharp sierra]

yeah these ai ques are busted

500 honor a win

and its a guaranteed win LOL

[vocal surge]

Sheesh

[spring bough]

ashran has the 1k honor quest up

LETS GO

270 pvp ilvl we are rocking

[outer sky]

This is my pack leader. He's got the best nose on my squad. Its so good I dont even train puppies with him becasue they'll become too reliant on his nose and not learn to trust their own. And here he is casually eating my wife's favorite pair of socks while I do nothing to stop him and just record a video of it.

@vocal surge

[vocal surge]

He be saying "What" when you got closer to him at the end lol

[spring bough]

3v3 skirm.... well really 2v3 cause rogue died 25 seconds in.... then me and hpal almost won too lol

[potent pivot]

Pugmare jual and pickleret

There’s no way all these pallys actually exist

[queen grail]

chat the vendor is up

[potent pivot]

They gotta be AI at this point

[spring bough]

bro i almost killed the guardian and the ret in a collapsing burst

[queen grail]

i gotta collect my pvp pieces

[spring bough]

while 2v3

[queen grail]

i had a question for the honor gear it says 276 in arena or bg but will it work in warbound pvp areas like voidcar arena or should i just put on higher ilevel stuff

[potent pivot]

in pvp combat it all scales up

[queen grail]

ok ty!

[spring bough]

i hate that u cant upgrade honor gear anymore for crests lol

[potent pivot]

that seems odd

can other pve gear already be upgraded with crests?

[spring bough]

its just flat ilvl 217

[spring bough]

yeah and the wpvp gear

[potent pivot]

strange

[spring bough]

wpvp is adventurer track

https://x.com/pikaboonews/status/2028563739386040517?s=46&t=YKaisWqFkCTf8y-DfuEaHw

Pikaboo Updates (@PikabooNews)

"Is this a real quest?...Holy shit...that was actually a quest for 2-year olds...that's what Blizzard thinks of some of you guys. Shit is EMBARRASSING."

Pikaboo cannot believe that this is actually a real quest in WoW Midnight 😂

▶ Play video

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[potent pivot]

https://x.com/i/status/2028569714071683394

Dratnos (@Dratnos)

BREAKING: ret paladins close discord demanding blizzard nerf quest they're getting stuck on

X · Mar 2, 2026, 8:34 PM

[spring bough]

[hearty shell]

can sub use a mace in offhand?

or does it have to be double dagger

[potent pivot]

it technically can but its very bad

use double daggers

[spring bough]

Can’t wait for the season to start

Solo shuffle better be poppin

[sharp sierra]

all single target damage lmao

[sharp sierra]

it feels stupid that honor gear has lower stats compared to warmode gear

[proven field]

you guys get a "the story so far" when you logged in today

[vocal surge]

Xd

[vocal surge]

Almost at 25% haste

[vocal surge]

we got the conquest quest complete

[sharp sierra]

i just finished that bg lol

fully honor geared now

[vocal surge]

Huge

[sharp sierra]

guess ill go level an alt now

[static holly]

Cg

[vocal surge]

Done your weekly?

for spark

[sharp sierra]

…no I didn’t know that was a thing

[graceful ravine]

finally realized why im gapping my stuns.... thought it was my ping or spellqueue or im just a boomer

Coup De Grace takes up more than a second of animation time zzz

[wanton breach]

man that quest is tough though

[vocal surge]

I like how

Ret's so easy

in the Training Grounds Random BG, the top DPS for the enemy team was the AI Ret Pally xD

[graceful ravine]

i gotta agree with him

it takes up a talent point, lots of stats that coudlve went to mastery

for 1 extra sec on dance, when your target is already out of stuns

obv i havent done any math on it, but logically it doesnt make any sense

[lone jasper]

I wish Undead to have the same racial as Humans, just add stun removal to them, what would even happen?

[queen grail]

lmao dude shadowstrike feels so strong

it almost feels bad to evis

at all

i wanna keep presin the strike button

[livid cipher]

worst design ever

makes no sense

other than to throw u off or wake u up lol

[vocal surge]

We clutched it out

Me n this MM hunter just

STEAMROLLED the enemy team lol

Devourer tried to open up

dies in 2s insided his Darkness

Mage opens up

almost dies immediately after

[neon spire]

is high mountain tauren actually bis ?

or is it a meme

[lone jasper]

They say, ye. if we believe Nahj, orc and HTauren are Bis, but as for Kalvish - Humans

[warped holly]

M+ hero here, I’m done gearing and i wanna try some pvp as sub. What is my opener and burst combos in pvp? Stuff changes i get it but i need some baseline

[graceful ravine]

Here's mine, for wpvp ganking or yolo kill in bgs since youll need to save kidney for CC in arenas

1. Shadowstrike
2. Kidney
3. Blades/Dance/SS
4. Secret Tech
5. SS
6. Evis
7. Cheap shot
8. SS
9. DFA (to avoid cc) or disarm vs melee, depends what you have talented
10. Feint (theyll come out of CS and most likely counterstun you)

[warped holly]

And for arena we keep ks for cc and just cheap shot instead of shadowstrike?

In dance to be clear

[graceful ravine]

Arena 2s

1. Sap Healer
2. CS DPS
3. Blades/Dance/Secret Tech
4. SS
5. Evis (or resap healer)
6. Cheapshot DPS
7. Resap healer if youre lucky
8. Kidney Healer -> 2nd dance to keep pumping

lots can change ofc

[warped holly]

Ofc but a baseline

Thanks

[graceful ravine]

if youre new to pvp, recommend wpvp and just practice your 1 shot rotations

sub is the easiest its ever been rn

[warped holly]

Not new, just a long time ago

Done 2.4 but 5 years ago😂 🥳

[graceful ravine]

i have freed up so many keybinds i dont know what to do with myself

[neon spire]

I just rolled rogue for the first time ever thanks for this @graceful ravine

[fervent cobalt]

@outer sky how do we upgrade gear... actually wild. That its like this

[gusty hedge]

you can do weekly?all weeklys i have wont progress voidstorm, harahand legend weekly for hero track gear and spark 😭

@spring bough Rogue and druid 90
should i lvl my void dh? Mf is 70 tho Or race change my other dh. pre 90 devour and rets still slap was getting chunked on guard druid + guards ofc but u can feel the damage makes me wanna try rather than honor farm

[safe turret]

so is orc not a complete throw for outlaw now that cheapshot has a cd and vanish window isn't a burst window?

[graceful plume]

I'm pretty sure outlaw is a complete throw for orc

[hazy monolith]

ok so now we have open world pvp sets that can be upgraded and honor gear only for arena and bgs that is trash outside? so what are we now getting insta dunked by pve andies in open world?

[analog tapir]

what iis stat prio for assa rogue ?

[spring bough]

I went void elf for the no knock back racial. idek if it works with devourer casts tbh lol

[spring bough]

Haven’t tried yet just got pvp geared out lol

[vocal surge]

ilvl 276

[spring bough]

Time to wait for season and do alts now

[boreal briar]

yeah I found this very annoying. Maybe its to get people to do heroics instead?

[marble oasis]

wtf is mistweaver right now?

[hollow carbon]

Upgrades for PvP Gear was just for PvE GS, so it doesnt matter for wpvp or every other PvP Environment

[spring bough]

Maybe they’ll add back adventurer to honor gear today 🤷‍♂️

[maiden gull]

HEy guys, anyone got a clue how i can replace my weakauras for Outlaw procs?

[spring bough]

Blizzards Cooldown manager

[hazy monolith]

???

did you think for like a second

now that it doesnt scale in open world it matters a lot

[hollow carbon]

Why wouldnt it scale in Open World when you are pvping someone?

It always did or do I miss something

[spring bough]

It does scale to pvp ilvl. Just can’t upgrade the gear with crests for PVE purposes. Some would use the honor gear as a stepping stone. Hopefully conquest gear will still be champion level and upgradable with crests

[hollow carbon]

I missed that it says „Arena and battlegrounds“ only, but I think it was always worded that way

[spring bough]

Yeah I just realized that too…. Crazy if they try and make us use only bloody token gear for world pvp

[vocal surge]

Lmao

This monk really just a wuss

Plays Brewmaster vs me

dies

swaps to MW

and still fails to kill

[outer sky]

This low-key needs a nerf

They seem to have forgotten to put some pvp modifiers on tanks

Ones that they usually have

Guardian druid is in a league of its own

But Brewmaster is also OP

[vocal surge]

Yeee

I pretty much clowned on him playing Brewmaster

dude swapped to the unkillable MW spec

lol

[gusty hedge]

ahhh lol i wanted void for the racial port and name

dnt feel like lvling to 80 then 80 to 90 tho

[gleaming sentinel]

Yea I saw a horde guardian Druid solo a crate against 5 people

[outer sky]

It does more damage than feral

[gusty hedge]

a Wild Yazim appeared! @coarse monolith

[gusty hedge]

shiit i might just lvl another rogue, swallow my pride and play sub only on that rogue

[outer sky]

why even bother

[vocal surge]

25min game there

[outer sky]

No lol my team doesnt have a healer

Their team has 2 healers and 2 dps

And lets be real, 2 tanks

[cunning reef]

it's class fantasy for guardian druid. raid boss

[outer sky]

I actually like when guardian druid is good in pve

But if its good in pvp

No thanks

Arena for obvious reasons

But even in BGs

Where tanks make sense sometimes

Bears are just aids to play against

[outer sky]

Shit bro idk. I assume like in previous xpacs theres an NPC you can talk to and exchange crests or something for gear upgrades

[grave basin]

it's gonna be a long 4 weeks boss

[outer sky]

Isnt it only 2 weeks till tuning?

[spring bough]

Thevoidhunt is my void elf DH name

Was kinda surprised it wasn’t taken

I need to get that void illusion lol

[outer sky]

I have a vulpera rogue named Slyliecoyote top that

[spring bough]

That’s a good one

[spring bough]

March 17 we get one tuning then a tuning the week after

[outer sky]

I love how they're just like "yeah we're gunna fuck it up the first time so we're planning another one a week later"

[proven field]

Passive flag spinning should never be a thing

[spring bough]

Ones gonna be based off heroic raids and the next off mythic keys/mythic raid

[outer sky]

Oh 100% man that is such a terrible mechanic

[gleaming sentinel]

We got at least until the 17th for tank supremacy in PvP

[lone jasper]

Cant decide what to take for full pvp, orc or human 🤦‍♂️

[proven field]

Dark iron dwarf - there are literally dozens of us

[outer sky]

What is your indecision rooted in? Is it just which one you prefer visually or are you torn between the racial abilities?

[lone jasper]

Visually ,main for endgame i have undead and always play with it, but for full pvp i want something else, as i had night elf previous seasons

[outer sky]

Because for rogues, orc is better at what human does than human is. If you're worried about dying in a stun, then having every stun be shorter duration is better than the 2nd trinket 9/10 times. The big advantage to human is you can run double dps trinkets into some comps but that really only works for classes that can press defensives while stunned. If you cant do anything while stunned then running double dps trinket is usually just trolling yourself

[lone jasper]

and what about secondary stat of human race?

[outer sky]

I mean its good sure but I think youre more likely to lose a game by sitting longer stuns than you are to win a game because of 2% more secondary stats

Sure it can. I didnt say it was bad. I said orc was better. If you played orc you would have commented "sitting shorter stuns saves me all the time"

My rogue is a vulpera

Well one of them

I have 4

[muted abyss]

sooo many people complaining about sub rogues, huge nerfs inc I think

[outer sky]

This is only recently true

Last xpac nelf was mandatory for assa and outlaw

Now its still bis for assa by far but irrelevant for sub and outlaw

[outer sky]

The problem with sub rogue is that even when its not OP, if its "really good" its just extremely aids to play against

Especially now

With shorter time between DR resets

So we have to decide

Should something be nerfed because it feels bad to play into

Or only because its too powerful

[glass hazel]

yeah hate to play vs sub as assa -_- you literally stunlocked all the time

[muted abyss]

Yep, honestly not really sure how to even open on a sub rogue lol. It takes so many globals to get our damage pumping

[glass hazel]

you dont really do damage as rogue its more like support imho, let warlock\mage do damage

they do it way better

you setup kills etc

but it was like that in tww, dunno about midnight yet

still need to level haha

[outer sky]

Well youre not setting up shit as assa or outlaw thats for damn sure

[glass hazel]

why not? kidney + cloud

[outer sky]

Ok every 3 minutes you got me there

[glass hazel]

one kill is enough

its not bg lol

[outer sky]

But I disagree with this mentality that people have where apparently the sub rogue can pop every CD on you and you shouldn't have to use anything

The only 2 dps specs in the game who's offensive CDs shouldn't be able to force defensive CDs on their own are Aug and ret

[spring bough]

Human. Double dps trinkets all season

[glass hazel]

sure, if you press cds and enemy press nothing you should land a kill

thats how it suppose to be

esp if healer press nothing as well

[outer sky]

Letting you know right now if you face me in a game and youre running double dps trinkets i will kill you on the 2nd stun DR

[muted abyss]

Sub should remain busted until season start I think, but tuning will be coming for sure

[spring bough]

Try me ima be outlaw brawling bro

[outer sky]

I really dont think its busted

Im biased obviously

But like

Playing into it

It doesnt feel overtuned at all

It just feels "good"

Like if it did less damage than its doing now it couldnt kill anything and thats not how a dps spec should be

Besides Aug and ret

[wicked tide]

If they do nerf it I can see them giving dance a longer cooldown and possibly even secret technique

Also from all the beta arenas I watched sub didn’t look op at all, now granted it was mostly shuffles I saw but I didn’t see any lobbies where sub rogue dominated

[outer sky]

They really cant fuck with the cooldowns without also nerfing it in pve. They regularly put modifiers on abilities to tune their numbers in and out of pvp but I dont think they've ever altered a baseline ability's cooldown between pvp and pve

[wicked tide]

Yep this is a saving grace for us, you never know what these fools will come up with tho

[outer sky]

Yeah blizzard never ceases to amaze me. And not in a good way lmao

[outer sky]

If its just the rogue doing damage then you dont really feel like you need to press anything unless he commits blades and badge trinket on top of shadow dance. Unless youre already low hp ofc. But thats how it should be. You shouldn't be able to just tank dance>sectec>badge>and blades and not require a defensive or healer external.

Someone posted this death log on the forums from last season with the title "look how broken rogue is omg" and he was obviously being sarcastic. The death log showed cheap shot followed by a 6m chaos bolt followed by like a 450k rupture tick followed by another 6m chaos bolt

[hollow carbon]

I probably will enjoy playing rogue Lock again this season

[outer sky]

Im planning on sub/arcane or sub/enh

[hollow carbon]

I dont have enhancer Friends but a Mage at least

[outer sky]

I feel like not exploiting arcane's short mass invis CD for free resets as RMP is just missing out

[grave basin]

as human you can have trinket for two blades goes so it's not the worst thing ever

against another rogue

[outer sky]

What about for combust?

[grave basin]

thought the convo was supposed to be against other rogues

orc doesnt do anything against bust

unless youre stunned in it

[spring bough]

I’m stuck at work and I just wanna spend a week playing Warcraft 😭

Bout to PTO the entire week of season start

[grave basin]

2 more days and im free for 2 weeks

whaaz has 7 lvl 90s..

[outer sky]

Right my point being, youre never going to just be fighting another rogue. Hes going to have his caster overlord with him. So just surviving blades isnt the end all be all. Being stunned for less time every single set of DRs will help you every go. I think orc is honestly even better now than it was before since they reduced the time between DRs

Also not for nothing but orc racial is a 3.6% damage increase every 2m

Blood Fury

[grave basin]

i mean i agree

i just said human isnt the worst thing ever lol

it's not like vulpera tier

[outer sky]

Ouch

[grave basin]

[outer sky]

This guy is gunna sap your healer and kill you in a stun lock (or let his mage kill you in a stun lock)

[mortal lantern]

I asked yesterday already. does noone else have problems with cheap shot directly after activating shadow dance?

[outer sky]

Is cheap shot on your stealth bar but not your regular bar?

[mortal lantern]

both

[outer sky]

Can you be more specific about what you mean by "problems"?

[mortal lantern]

if i press dance into cs it says must be in stealth. Like there are some milliseconds gap

[outer sky]

Yeah thats usually caused by lag when the game tries to switch your regular bar to your stealth bar

But having it on both should fix that

[grave basin]

adjust your input delay

theres some cvar from advanced interface option

[pastel burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/sly-cooper-sly-3-honor-among-thieves-bentley-the-turtle-murray-the-hippo-blueprints-gif-665939079569227118

impeccable name actually

[mortal lantern]

i press it manually, like two buttons. But for theory, shouldnt it work in a macro like cast shadowdance cast cheap shot?

[grave basin]

no

well i havent tested that ngl but you should never have that macrod

like ever ever

[mortal lantern]

i do not. But since it acts weird i tested it and in theory i thopught it should work

[outer sky]

https://tenor.com/view/i-appreciate-your-taste-professor-k-the-pokemon-evolutionaries-i-like-your-taste-you-have-a-good-taste-gif-20097221

[grave basin]

anyway try adjusting your input delay

your in game ping + 100

/console SpellQueueWindow (ms+100)

[outer sky]

Do you have this issue with shadowstrike as well or only cheap shot?

[mortal lantern]

only cs

[outer sky]

Then its not input delay

[mortal lantern]

i never had any problems with that. Its since midnight so i figured maybe im not the only one

[outer sky]

Is strike on both your stealth and non stealth bars?

[mortal lantern]

wait I am testing. Maybe it is a problem with strike also and it just backstabs instead

[molten hedge]

Do you maybe have a cheap shot macro with some weird stuff

[outer sky]

Didn't this happen to you

With like garrote I think

Was that you?

I was out at a bar with my wife and somebody from this discord called me to share their screen with me because garrote wasnt working and it was some weird macro they had causing it

[molten hedge]

Haha not me but that’s funny. It’s possible he has some weird macro

[mortal lantern]

no its just plain old shadowdance. I guess it does not work with strike. So that means, if i use dance into secret technique i may not benefit from shadow multipliers from dance

[molten hedge]

The issue isn’t dance it’s your stealth abilities it seems

Do you have a macro for cheap or ss

[outer sky]

Can you maybe clip a video of this happening

And post it here

[mortal lantern]

I can try this in like 30 minutes. Cheap shot and strike is in form of a macro. Like
#showtooltip Cheap Shot
/cast [mod:shift, @focus] Cheap Shot; Cheap Shot

[outer sky]

For science try it without any macros and see if it works like it should. If so then you at least know your macros are the problem

[molten hedge]

Yup

[mortal lantern]

its just weird. Sometimes it works sometimes not. From your perspective i guess it looks like I do it wrong. But i press G for dance and 1 for cheap shot and it works not consistantly

[outer sky]

Even without the macros its not working consistently?

[molten hedge]

Are you playing shot in the dark?

[mortal lantern]

correct

[outer sky]

This is the equivalent of "did you turn it on?" LOL

[mortal lantern]

right now yes. But without while leveling it also did not work

[outer sky]

Post a clip when you get a chance. This is the first anyone has mentioned something like this in here. The issue is 100% something on your end. We just need to figure out what it is exactly.

[mortal lantern]

i will try after the battleground thanks. Will also test with another character but yes. Is there any log functionality beside combat log?

[outer sky]

I dont believe so

[molten hedge]

Yeah my bet is it’s a macro. Maybe he has stealth in them so if he doesn’t have subterfuge or something, it may not work even though you don’t need stealth for dance. So that could explain why it works sometimes

[outer sky]

He says even without the macros its not working right

[molten hedge]

Didn’t he say sometimes it does lol

Then gotta be a bar thing I guess?

[mortal lantern]

yeah but bars are exactly the same since ever

[outer sky]

If your pc only turns on sometimes does it "work properly"?

[molten hedge]

Did you turn off dn?

[mortal lantern]

what is dn?

[molten hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/hirxha-hahaha-good-one-gif-11199247073115110154

[mortal lantern]

u got me good

[molten hedge]

Looking forward to seeing the clip. GL in ur bg bud

[frozen walrus]

You guys using any AddOns for nameplates?

[gusty hedge]

Platynator and or Betterblizzplates

[frozen walrus]

And they work without causing any bugs?

[outer sky]

Even the base UI doesnt do that

[frozen walrus]

Haha true

[gusty hedge]

doubt it !😂 use bugsack / buggrabber

[potent pivot]

???

[grave basin]

plz no extended maintenance

[outer sky]

PvP gear isnt scaling up in ilvl when in combat with enemy players outside of instanced pvp like it used to

[gusty hedge]

didnt seem like that yesterday? honor gear? grabbed a few but didnt really notice to check if they scaled or not

[outer sky]

They dont. I "checked" on some level 80 horde outside of silvermoon this morning. Ya know, for science.

[gleaming sentinel]

Biggest bozo change ever. They fucking hate PvP man

[gusty hedge]

crazy ?!? i gotta see it when servers are live! thats gonna suck! could be the reason there are no upgrades on honor/conquest gear now , so strictly bloodytoken gear for wpvp now, seems like a wierd change

[mortal lantern]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7lmGHnSk0k
I think you can already see in this clip. I press dance then cs and up in the middle comes the "must be stealth" text

[outer sky]

Bloody token gear is the same ilvl as honor gear rn lol

[potent pivot]

Sounds like it’s just a bug

[gusty hedge]

is it ? wth man xD all vendors were empty except honor and recipe vendor, got the cheap bloodytoken gear from world quest which is weaker than honor gear

its not gonan be the same gear on vendor bloody token 100% unless that wierd change

[analog tapir]

Guys what stat prio do I go for on outlaw assa and sub?

[potent pivot]

3 different answers

[analog tapir]

Can I get them? Zs

[potent pivot]

Outlaw wants like 25% haste, sub wants like 13% haste, assa we don’t know yet

[hazy monolith]

whats so hard to understand

[outer sky]

Is this with or without the macros on cheap?

[potent pivot]

[potent pivot]

This has always been the text on pvp gear no?

[hazy monolith]

learn to read

jesus christ

[potent pivot]

You gotta calm down

No reason to be a dickhead

[hazy monolith]

u provoke

you gotta calm down

[potent pivot]

If that provokes you idk what to tell you

[mortal lantern]

this is without macros. Both clean spells

[potent pivot]

PvP gear has always said arena and BGs on the tooltip

That’s why there’s always been a hundred people asking if it works in wpvp every season

[gusty hedge]

Facts ^^

[potent pivot]

If it’s not scaling in wpvp right now it’s likely just a bug or maybe something they did for the first week or two because of EA

I don’t think there’s a shot they’d make a change like that completely unannounced though

[outer sky]

@potent pivot can you diagnose this? I can't figure it out.

[potent pivot]

Give me a bit I’ll take a look

[hazy monolith]

you expect exactly what by reacting with memes instead of having a discussion? ur the one being a dickhead

ppl come here for info not getting shit at by discussing things

[mortal lantern]

Thank you! if you need more input let me know.
Problem: If i press dance into cheap shot it does not alway work and states "must be stealth"

• I had macros in the first place, swapped out with plain spells
• problems stays even on other characters (which seems logical)
• I tried a cast dance cast cheap shot macro for science. I thought in theory that should work but it also says must be in stealth
• my current workaround is to press cs several times but if I use a dance/technique macro in pve im afraid it might not utilize the dance buffs then but I dont know how I would test that

[outer sky]

Do you have any weird keybinding addons?

[potent pivot]

they are emotes, its not that deep

[jolly sierra]

god, never expected another arguing so soon

[mortal lantern]

pretty barebone I would say

[vale steppe]

Is that barebone? xd

[outer sky]

For shits and giggles, disable Plumber and see if that fixes it

[vale steppe]

Also try this

#showtooltip Kidney Shot
/cast [@target] kidney Shot

but with cheapshot

[potent pivot]

so you had a dance->cheap macro at first?

[outer sky]

No he didnt

[outer sky]

He had this macro

[mortal lantern]

doesnt help

[outer sky]

Damn

[mortal lantern]

also didnt help :/

[jolly sierra]

did u got 15k honor already or u are still with 4k hard cap?

[vale steppe]

Disable all addons

[potent pivot]

cap is 15k now

[jolly sierra]

oh, good

[sharp sierra]

Maxed out my honor

[potent pivot]

that shouldn't mess with it i don't think

[outer sky]

https://tenor.com/view/sponge-bob-patrick-star-thinking-hmmm-intense-gif-5454670

[jolly sierra]

here in europe is still 4k so gotta cap for now

so i get geared once i buy midnight XD

[sharp sierra]

No idea what happened but went on a 12 game horde bg win streak

….should I go do the lottery now?

[potent pivot]

eu reset is today right

[jolly sierra]

tomorrow

[vale steppe]

Also no toys etc is dance macro, you tried naked ability i assume.

[outer sky]

I want to figure this out so bad lol

[jolly sierra]

you US players always gets the bugs first

[potent pivot]

how long does it take until it lets you cast cheap?

[vale steppe]

@mortal lantern also could you perhaps film it?

[potent pivot]

cuz in the video you never casted a cheap at all i don't think

[muted abyss]

we also exploit first and only 🙂

[outer sky]

He did

[mortal lantern]

still does not help. Thats crazy

[vale steppe]

Wehre can i see it?

hmm

[mortal lantern]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7lmGHnSk0k

[outer sky]

@vale steppe

@mortal lantern ok try taking cheap shot off that bar and moving it to another one

[jolly sierra]

that can be either good or bad tbf

[vale steppe]

thats so wierd

[outer sky]

The crazy part is its not happening to anybody else which makes it hard to believe its a genuine bug

[vale steppe]

Yeah i mean i had my kidney bug out long time ago, thats the reason i had the target macro, i dont use it anymore, so i do believe it.

[outer sky]

@mortal lantern Im going to post your video in the wow forums on the rogue page.

See if maybe anyone's had a sinilar issue

[mortal lantern]

Oh thank you! Ill open a ticket to be able to get the problem as soon as possible to the ai which does nothing

[potent pivot]

have you tried posting it in #wow-general

[vale steppe]

@mortal lantern make a new talent tree

[potent pivot]

i have a feeling its going to be an easy explanation

[mortal lantern]

no

[potent pivot]

try there

[mortal lantern]

already did one new today

[outer sky]

Yeah im prepared for us to all feel like idiots once this is resolved

[jaunty osprey]

Ok wait

Can I get a TLDR

[sharp sierra]

lol someone bought my pvp recipe for 100k

[potent pivot]

#pvp message

he can't cast cheap right after dance

[potent pivot]

[sharp sierra]

wait odd question

[hazy monolith]

rytes just forwarded this to me/the dh cord so this seems to be the reason there was some confusion and justified doubts about how the gear works

[outer sky]

@jaunty osprey
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7lmGHnSk0k

[potent pivot]

[sharp sierra]

if shadowblades is only 5% in pvp is it worth the talent point?

[potent pivot]

[jaunty osprey]

Lol

I know

what’s wrong

[outer sky]

What???

[sharp sierra]

oh double points

[sharp sierra]

[jaunty osprey]

Cheap shot is pressed before stance bar comes up/dance is actually applied properly

I use a dance cheapshot macro

[vale steppe]

I think he tried that

[jaunty osprey]

/cast Shadowdance
/cast Cheap Shot

[outer sky]

He tried that

[mortal lantern]

that does not work for me "must be in stealth"

[sharp sierra]

if i remove it i can have a extra shurkien point!

[jaunty osprey]

In the video, CS is CLEARLY pressed before Dance is up

[sharp sierra]

thats huge!

[jaunty osprey]

Put the macro on a bar that doesnt switch with stances and spam press it and get a clip

[potent pivot]

[vale steppe]

Should not matter, i got cs on mainbar in and out of stealth

[mortal lantern]

which video did you watch? YOu can go frame by frame and it is dance before cs. Even the picutre u posted has dance buff up

[sharp sierra]

checks rogue pvp discord: 500 mesages

checks other class pvp discords: 5 messages

rogue is least represented class

[gusty hedge]

jsut checked, honor gear does scale when in pvp combat in open world took off all warmongers gear and tested with the few pieces of honor gear i had lol

no change here

[outer sky]

Maybe they fixed it at reset. Because it 100% wasnt scaling this morning before reset

[jolly sierra]

we are smart

[jaunty osprey]

The video that is linked, there is always a stance delay - it has been a thing for several expansions

I had 0 issues with the dance cheap shot macro before - but it could be broken now

Let me find an old discussion about this in this discord from years ago

[potent pivot]

how funny

[sharp sierra]

okay time to level my mage cause every other caster is boring the shit out of me and i want to see giant balls on my screen

[outer sky]

He has it on both his stealth and non stealth bar

[sharp sierra]

wait what do we use the spark for again

as pvpers

[vale steppe]

Yes and that's totally fine, i have the same.

[potent pivot]

nothing

[sharp sierra]

okay good

[potent pivot]

spark is pve only

[sharp sierra]

so seems like we wont be having a item that scales all expac?

like the cloak

[potent pivot]

not yet

that would come later like in a .5 patch

[jaunty osprey]

It could also be spell queuing that is your issue

[sharp sierra]

ahhh okay

[jaunty osprey]

or your ping because

stances dont update right away like I said

[jolly sierra]

what if you guys go to a VC and let him stream to watch if is indeed a bug?

[potent pivot]

in the posted clip it seems he just pressed it too soon from the looks of it

[jaunty osprey]

But yeah, stance delays have been a big thing for a while and spell queuing + ping to server

cheap shot is still very clearly greyed out when pressed in his video

[outer sky]

A stance delay shouldn't matter if its on both bars

Right?

[jaunty osprey]

Stance delay is t

[potent pivot]

it does

[jaunty osprey]

isnt bar delay

Lol

The server didnt register him being in dance/stealth yet

[outer sky]

Oh I thought the delay was the bar updating

[outer sky]

But then why is nobody else having this issue

[jaunty osprey]

Like I said

His ping matters, it can be spell queuing

etc

server delays

packet loss etc etc

[mortal lantern]

so i press faster than the server communication 8).
The problem is I never had the problem before and it just feels off since midnight.

[jaunty osprey]

The servers updates in set intervals too iirc

[mortal lantern]

i changed spellquueu to like 140 and ping is 16

[marsh blaze]

What is wrong with bear tanks? They are immortal and do insane damage

[jaunty osprey]

He couldve pressed dance cheap in the very moment it just checked for updates

and as a result

it said he wasnt in dance

and he couldnt insta cheap

[outer sky]

Can you do what Ivan said and use that macro he sent but put it on a non stealth bar?

[jaunty osprey]

Nah the macro is broken now, it doesnt even matter

[outer sky]

Rip

[mortal lantern]

macro does not work on either bar

[jaunty osprey]

/cast Shadow Dance /cast any stealth ability isnt working as of 1 year ago apparently

[outer sky]

Yeah their damage is overtuned and somebody was saying that blizzard didnt apply the pvp modifier tanks usually get to take increased damage.

[jaunty osprey]

But it’s likely server tick/spell queuing shenanigans

It’s super evident as to how Cheap Shot is greyed out when he presses it in the video

Dance is up, but server didnt instantly register it

[potent pivot]

dance wasn't on CD yet either

the buff was up, but it was still mid-press in the screenshot

[marsh blaze]

it's fucking mindless

[vale steppe]

How often does this happen @mortal lantern

Might be a connection issue? As Trickz said, Dance is not on cooldown.

[mortal lantern]

like 4/5 times? I mean it sucks but i can spam cs so that this is a non factor. But if I open with Dance Shadowstrike, it just uses backstab instead because im not it stealth yet...

[vale steppe]

So it seems like dance is the problem, nothing else

[mortal lantern]

and again, if i Macro dance with secret technique for pve, will secret technique benefit from the dance buffs or not. sucks

[vale steppe]

If dance goes on cooldown, ye

[outer sky]

You and I use the same keybind for Gouge

[mortal lantern]

I appreciate your all help btw

thats really cool that so many people try to help

[potent pivot]

is it only happening in silvermoon?

because main cities can be really poorly optimized, especially near season launches

even if you have good ping, the game is just crumbling in the background

[mortal lantern]

it happens in bgs too although I really only tested in laggy epic bgs

happens outside of silvermoon aswell

[gusty hedge]

open world pvp non instance

[marble oasis]

hmmmm yeh ok

[jaunty osprey]

Nerf monk man

[marble oasis]

i don't get how they've tuned them to be bad in pve and op in pvp that's some special skills

[river pollen]

Is deathstalker thing still bugged?

[mortal lantern]

actually, maybe to end the topic besides anyone else has a good idea.
In the video i posted it takes like 11 frames from pressing dance until it goes on cooldown. (so pressing . 11 times in that youtube video)
I have older videos where it is like 4-6 frames from pressing the button until it goes on cooldown. It is defenitely then a server site change.

[potent pivot]

yes

[potent pivot]

likely not a change, just jank because its literally day 1 of launch

[river pollen]

[mortal lantern]

yeah true. I hope it fixed itself otherwise I adapt the playstyle.

[river pollen]

Prolly honeymoon phase but im liking this xpac, questing wasn’t insanely boring like usual and the city is a vibe

[spring bough]

I liked how a lot of people were dreading midnight and dooming

And it feels like everyone’s actually enjoying it

[outer sky]

we're all just questing and leveling

cant judge the xpac by that

[spring bough]

They did a really good job with the campaign and zones. Feels like that’s how the rest of the xpacks gonna go

[outer sky]

What is the difference between these besides the name and the price?

[gusty hedge]

enjoying the questing and open world but still not liking the state of outlaw and class prune changes to my cheap shot
actually have fun with Guardian druid atm until they nerf it lol

[potent pivot]

does the old one even work

i wonder

[outer sky]

yes

[potent pivot]

a tool tip doesn't mean it works

you know this by now

gotta see the honor gain after a match

[outer sky]

Ok so I'm supposed to get 80 honor for winning a skirm

queue just popped

lets see how much I get

when i win

[potent pivot]

if you win

😉

[outer sky]

Yeah I spoke too soon

[potent pivot]

LOL

[outer sky]

Ok yeah it definitely works

[potent pivot]

nice

lol

if they notice, they'll make it not work

either that or maybe on season start it won't work anymore

since there's a new one out, it shouldn't

[proven field]

I accidentally capped honor just by running a few BGs and grabbing crates when they drop

The crates seem to drop endlessly; I’ve actually stopped going because it’s a distraction now lol

[outer sky]

I'm so sick of this honor farm taking longer than it needs to because I get teammates that dont do any damage

like how do I do 4x the damage of a fire mage and destro lock

learn to play your class before pressing queue

hit training dummies

shit's so tilting

i should be full honor geared by now

[sharp sierra]

Idk why you’re doing it through skrims

I was capped in 3 hours by just doing BGs

Plus the ashran quest for 1000

Left the bg once I was done lmao

[outer sky]

That could cap me insta and I still wouldn't do it

Ashran is the worst thing theyve ever added to the game besides the paldin class

although I guess paladin wasnt really "added"

but w/e

[lime oar]

as a rogue you literally just afk and try to pick ppl off the sides that strayed from the group

it’s fun

[proven field]

Just go take the solar sphere and defend it

[molten hedge]

You don’t need any extra haste when u press cheap before dance 🧠 bro is cooking

[potent pivot]

no one knows yet

might have more emphasis on some crit/haste now

[sharp sierra]

I lowkey love it, I just message each healer and tank to go to tremblade and 6/10 times it works and game is over in 6 minutes lmao

[ocean thunder]

assa would be cool if they changed kingsbane CD to 30s instead of 1min

i dont see it happening though

[vale steppe]

and mark, it way to long cds

[vale steppe]

cause without it, you hit like a noodle, but damn if you pop cds, peoples hp bars dissapears lol

[ocean thunder]

mark is 2min which is reasonable for usual burst

lines wiht healer CDs too

[hidden mirage]

yeah, but mark is unusual, as it is countered by so many things, doesn't have cdr and also can be parried.

1 min cd or dispel protection would be reasonable

[ocean thunder]

would it even be possible to protect bleeds from bop? how can you protect from dispel

[hidden mirage]

not from bop

but from dispels like stone form, mending bandage, cauterizing flame,....

bop against mark is fair trade, but not mending bandage with 20 sec cd.

[proven field]

Does DM actually apply both poison procs to KB? Feels like KB hard caps now

It should in theory be blasting KB ticks up but it doesn’t see to interact at all

[ocean thunder]

I am not sure KB is included in DM

[proven field]

No I mean the lethal poison doubling

Says during DM, your lethal poison procs will actually hit twice, so it should be ramping KB ticks higher than average

[vocal surge]

Depends for Outlaw. 20% Minimum with tea, with 25% + Haste enchants (Can drop Tea + 1 point Vigor for x2 Lethality)

[potent pivot]

KB has always been hard capped

[proven field]

Wut really

[analog tapir]

so what do we think talent wise?

[potent pivot]

yee lol

[analog tapir]

for assa

[proven field]

Maybe I am imagining a time where you could pump crazy KB numbers

[potent pivot]

each application increases damage by 20%, up to 1000%

50 stacks basically

[proven field]

Oh yeah that I knew but it feels like it really goes from 1-10 instead of 1-50

[vocal surge]

If you dont have Gilded Crests and dont PvE, nothing. If either are true, for an extra piece of gear equivalent to Warmode Gear

[potent pivot]

CMQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMzMjZbmBAAAAAwsMjZbGAAAAAQbbjZwMjxMzMzyMLzMwMzMzYYGDDDMwCMjRjZBktBsNjtNAzMYA

[jaunty osprey]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=253307/infused-heliotrope

anyone else ready?

[potent pivot]

you might be able to swap Doomblade for CT, and Dashing/Zoldycks for Scent/Demise

[potent pivot]

you already have this many of the new one?

[jaunty osprey]

ya

Ready to make gold

[potent pivot]

why tf

bought out the ah?

[jaunty osprey]

And cause

Some bought

A lot looted

From war supply crate

and bounties

[potent pivot]

tf

i've seen like 1 get looted

[analog tapir]

and what poision doi use

?

[potent pivot]

amp+wound/crippling+numbing

you will never use any other combinations

its either wound+crippling or those 4 with DtB

[spring bough]

wtf?

How much gold did you drop lol

[spring bough]

I’ve seen 0 get looted 😭

[jaunty osprey]

Like less than 1 mill

[static holly]

Should be round about 2.4mio +/- when s1 Drops

[vocal surge]

Aren't carries illegal now?

[spring bough]

I’m gonna be real. I bought them already too. But just enough for one char lol

Amulets only get 1 socket for midnight, is that right?

[static holly]

How many? 25-30

[potent pivot]

wut?

[vocal surge]

you know

like asking for gold to carry people throught content

[potent pivot]

no lol

where do people keep getting that idea

[vocal surge]

I feel like im getting Mandela effected lol

[stoic spruce]

You absolutely are lol

[severe helm]

buying carries with gold has been within tos for a while

as long as its not from a "community"

you can literally sell a gold carry in trade chat and not have any issues

[jaunty osprey]

Communities are fine. As long as the advertiser is the one involved in the boosting

that’s the only big change that happened a few xpacs ago

[jaunty osprey]

0 clue D:

[stoic spruce]

It's what it looks like

[potent pivot]

i think they are technically not fine

but the advertiser part ye

technically the only "community" thats fine is wowmarket because they simply serve as an advertising board for advertisers/guilds

other than that if the "community" is a server run by 1 guild thats fine too

[jaunty osprey]

Well communities are fine if you’re an individual discord I guess

[potent pivot]

but some of the communities that have popped up are not ok, blizz just hasn't done anything about them yet

[jaunty osprey]

Like the one I sent you where Ingot my mount

It’s 1 person who runs it

they’re an advertiser

but they boost in every run

[potent pivot]

ye the small ones like that are usually fine

[graceful ravine]

What are these used for in pvp?

[potent pivot]

because they're run by 1 person or 1 guild

[potent pivot]

sockets

[jaunty osprey]

Sockets!!

[spring bough]

So we only need to socket 3 items if they are already on conquest amulets. Not too bad

[static holly]

What u mean

[outer sky]

They literally baked it into the base UI to advertise carries lol

[vocal surge]

Dang

[analog tapir]

no clue what gear i buy nbow

[proven field]

Assa? Just buy all mast gear and if you feel starved start swapping haste pieces as you go

[analog tapir]

kk

[proven field]

Someone smarter will eventually get better numbers and weights but for us, won’t matter lol

[sharp sierra]

fire mage fun

maybe thats just cause of all the sub ive been playing xD

[potent pivot]

rly i heard it felt terrible

lol i guess opening transmog in silvermoon is still bricking the entire game

[sharp sierra]

It just blows shit up like sub

the arcane orb build is sleepy as hell otherwise id just play that

and frost is...frost

[potent pivot]

i've heard frost feels more engaging to play than fire rn

which is insane

[stoic spruce]

Oh really?

Frost more engaging than fire?

[spring bough]

The honor neck, and rings already have socket slots when u buy them. Hoping the conquest gear goes too

[sharp sierra]

thats mainly cause of frost orb and ray

[stoic spruce]

Is that so?

[sharp sierra]

which most of them hate anyways

[graceful ravine]

did blizz finally provide a solution to the pvp rating system? specifically for inflation

[spring bough]

Frost is gonna get smacked so hard with the nerf hammer

[potent pivot]

what does that even mean exactly

[graceful ravine]

for rating inflation

[potent pivot]

thats what i've heard

[spring bough]

They didn’t change shit lmao

[graceful ravine]

Ppl are disincentized to play mid-season because its simply easier to come back last 2-3 weeks of a season to grind rating for rewards/mounts

[sharp sierra]

im open world i imagine frost is more engaging but from watching aeghis it looks boring as hell in pvp

plus im already playing sub so might as well play the casting version looool

[potent pivot]

yeah they haven't said anything about changing it

they changed elite/gladiator to 2300 instead of 2400

[graceful ravine]

thats been my problem every season lol, its fun the first month, then hit the rating wall, quit bc its easier to come back in 3+ months to grind rating, but never actually come back cos by then the hype for the game is dead

[potent pivot]

that'll push participation a lil bit

[graceful ravine]

repeat every season

[spring bough]

I hope participation is up cause the mount is 🔥

Might be playing way more 3s to see if I can chase that mount

[stoic spruce]

Not like you losers would ever get it

Lololololol

Jk

[graceful ravine]

rotations for every spec has been dumbed down, hopefully thatll make more ppl wanna try out pvp

[spring bough]

lol

[stoic spruce]

I'll probably get like

2100

Maybe

[spring bough]

DK? 2300 will be ez money

[stoic spruce]

Oh yeah I'm taking full advantage of dk

At least 1800 day 1 of lvl 90

[graceful ravine]

ive been tethering 2300-2400 mid-season in 3s, so this change would def benefit me

ive typically only gotten glad towards end of the season, and thats if i even come back to the game lol

being stomped by r1s/streamers on their 5th alt in 2400s bracket is pretty demoralizing with rating deflation

[gusty hedge]

@spring bough

[sharp sierra]

“Keep Yourself Safe”

[potent pivot]

bruh

[vocal surge]

Hes being safe for work lol

[sharp sierra]

yeah other version got auto modded

[potent pivot]

his first message got filtered

[sharp sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/southpark-i-thought-thiswas-america-american-freedom-gif-3537641

okay so i just run around and do world quests while queing for dungeons

or whats the move everyone is doing

[stoic spruce]

That

There was an exploit but it got patched

[sharp sierra]

mfers dont want any fun in the game

[potent pivot]

wut

[potent pivot]

for leveling? or

[sharp sierra]

yee

[potent pivot]

oh naw

there is a thread linked in the pins

for optimal alt leveling

[sharp sierra]

W thanks

forgot i dont have perma stealth

gdruid did not like me sitting around

[outer sky]

I love this timer they added

[graceful ravine]

spends $40 extra for a few days early access, just to afk for 2 weeks

[potent pivot]

there's 2 different routes as well

80-81 you kill bees near Dornogol

then you can either do some questing+delves+professions

listed in the notepad guide

or you can spam grind Shadowguard delve's first few packs on repeat

then do delve turn ins/profession turn ins around lv88

either way if u follow those routes it should only take 3-4 hours to hit 90

[outer sky]

I did it for beta access

[sharp sierra]

imma skip the bees

do delves and those side quests and see where i land

[potent pivot]

don't turn in the delve quests until the end

[sharp sierra]

yeah figured

[stoic spruce]

the delve

[potent pivot]

it wasn't patched

[spring bough]

Druids getting nerf hammered so hard too

[stoic spruce]

its not patched yet?

[potent pivot]

nope

it just rotated

[dark kernel]

I thought people were just doing tier 1 delves

[potent pivot]

you need the delve to have the proper rotation inside

[spring bough]

Already up to tier 8

[dark kernel]

The XP is so fucking fast it's not a huge deal

[stoic spruce]

ur mom rotated

lmao gottem

[dark kernel]

This is just for power leveling

[stoic spruce]

van you see that?

[spring bough]

Power leveling saves like 2 hours let’s be real

[dark kernel]

Someone was saying the tier 1 harandar delve is a level in 40 minutes

[potent pivot]

bro tf is this shit

[dark kernel]

Leveling took me no time

[potent pivot]

used to be $5

[dark kernel]

LMFAO

[spring bough]

Damn trickz can’t level without a guide oh no

[potent pivot]

i just like having the arrow/full brain off

[stoic spruce]

community figure btw

[potent pivot]

but i ain't payin for that shit hellll naw

[dark kernel]

I literally did quest and dungeons and I'm a bar from 90

Only 5/17 chapters

So some mistakes

[potent pivot]

don't you have to do all 17 chapters regardless?

[sharp sierra]

main character does if you want to skip on alts

[potent pivot]

fuckin tomtom arrow ain't workin 💀

[sharp sierra]

wtf lol

[outer sky]

Idk why but for some reason leveling 80-90 felt way more cumbersome than leveling 10 levels after the release of previous xpacs

Idk why

But im def not doing it again

Saving gold to buy speed leveling

[potent pivot]

its a lot easier if you've done the campaign on your main

[outer sky]

I have.

[potent pivot]

you can mindlessly spam delves even, instead of questing

[outer sky]

But it still takes hours right?

Like 5+

[potent pivot]

whaazz did his druid in 3 yesterday

[outer sky]

3 ain't bad

But how is rogue

For that

[potent pivot]

it depends on how many characters you have leveled too

[outer sky]

So far 1

[potent pivot]

because of the 5% bonus per char leveled, up to 25%

[outer sky]

I need to level my other 3 rogues, my monk, my evoker, and my hunter

I dont care to level my shaman or pally

[potent pivot]

he already had 25% xp bonus when he did his druid, so a 2nd char should take 4 or less

[outer sky]

I thought they nerfed this to 3%

[potent pivot]

i don't think so?

[outer sky]

I swear I read they did

But i could be wrong

Regardless

Im more worried about like

Can a rogue clear delves as efficiently as a druid

Probably not

Ill bet he went guardian

Pulled everything

Spam aoe

Bro these ret paladin mains are a different breed. Ive never seen a group of people so consistently delusional.

The same guy trying to argue to me that "ret isnt even that good anyway, quit crying" just also argued that "ret cant be nerfed because too many people depend on it to hit their rating goals"

Its Schrodinger’s WoW spec.

Simultaneously not that good but also can’t be nerfed because if it is then people would fall 300+mmr trying to play anything else and quit.

[river pollen]

Is thief’s bargain a bad talent with double vanish, it nerfing shadow blades makes me hesitant

[outer sky]

The biggest problem with that talent imo is that it nerfs your damage if you feint

[graceful ravine]

Definitely agree, leveling the first character this expansion feels slower and more tedious, all the quest are practically the same shit with very little variations/innovations

Maybe it’s by design since they boosted the speed of alt leveling

[river pollen]

Yea i feel like if i use that i’ll go cheat death, otherwise maybe preemptive maneuver with elusiveness

I like having dismantle and smoke bomb generally

(More of a wpvp build)

[outer sky]

The biggest benefit to Thiefs Bargain is the shorter CD on blades. Everything else is just kind of nice but nobody would even consider it if it didnt have CDR on blades.

And I dont think blades is a powerful enough cooldown now to take bargain

It made more sense when blades guaranteed you max combo points every builder

[river pollen]

True

[vocal surge]

Been clearing +7 delves in 5mins

[outer sky]

How much xp does that give you

[vocal surge]

~12500 per run

With curio grabbing, it goes up to 7 or 8mins

Depending on their spread

[outer sky]

Ok and figure 525k xp per level average

[vocal surge]

When leveling 80 - 90

?