pvp

[potent pivot]

we were talking about backstab/strike

[outer sky]

I went to public school

[potent pivot]

!

[dark moon]

Haahahah

[stoic spruce]

You've not been in #outlaw enough then

Smh

[dark moon]

Wasn't expecting such answer dropped my phone on my face

Pure gold

[quick crypt]

Does shadow dance switch bars? Like stealth does? In that case, is it possible to put shadow dance and cheap shot on the same button?

[potent pivot]

technically yes but i wouldn't do that one

[quick crypt]

Not worth to save a bind? Why?

[potent pivot]

the only thing you really want to have different on your stealth bar is shadowstrike replacing backstab

[potent pivot]

things like bar lag

[quick crypt]

Sure thing, thanks

[dark moon]

I used to have cheapshot out of dance on the same button that was my cheapshot in dance, cause of the bar lag, but don't think its needed nowadays

[outer sky]

I always thought the whole concept of the stealth bar was a bit weird

At least for rogues

Idk about druids

But since your stealth bar uses the same binds as your non stealth bar

And theres only abilities that can be used during stealth and not out of stealth but none vice versa

It made the most sense to me to just not even bother with that crap

Put all the "stealth only" buttons on other action bars

Then I dont have to have 1 bind for 2 abilities

Which can get obviously confusing

Then swapped backstab for SS and mutilate for Ambush and called it done

Idk why anyone would do it differently

[potent pivot]

yea its just not worth doing anything extra

[vocal surge]

^

[potent pivot]

the bar lag will fuck you up as well

especially now that .02 more on dance makes it hard to hit the extra global in dance

we might even have to make dance+cheap/dance+kidney/dance+tech macros

to make sure we squeeze the extra global

[outer sky]

Im just trying to think out what they were going for. Because I remember when i tried setting up my bars when I made my 1st rogue back in legion. And I put shuriken storm on "1" and then on my stealth bar I put Sap on "1" and i immediately got so confused. Because now not only does "1" do 2 different things depending on stealth/dance/subterfuge, but i also needed a second keybind for shuriken storm in case i needed to press that during dance or subterfuge

And I was just sitting there thinking wtf is this supposed to accomplish

Like why would anybody ever use this as intended

[dark moon]

Druids dont have a stealth bar if im not mistaken. Just certain abilities become usable if in stealth

[sharp sierra]

sigh

theres like 50 of them farming us 😭

[outer sky]

I think they do

[potent pivot]

i don't think so

I don’t remember ever having one on my feral

Druid stealth is just a buff/not a stance itself

They’ve already got so many stances that’s prolly why

[outer sky]

Maybe im confusing it with my bars changing between forms

[potent pivot]

Prolly yea

[outer sky]

Wait does that mean warriors have a separate bar for defensive stance?

[stoic spruce]

They haven't had that in ages

[outer sky]

Back in the day I played lock and priest

Played like 1 season of keys in bfa as fury but just as an alt

[potent pivot]

Naw

And iirc warrior stances are the only ones you can’t switch/clear with macros to make it faster

They are just odd

[dark moon]

Not anymore. Its just a buff

[gusty hedge]

like this almost everynight on tich shard

[vocal surge]

You know what I miss from TWW?

My UI setup lol

[stoic spruce]

You know what I miss?

[vocal surge]

?

[stoic spruce]

Outlaws S2 tier

[vocal surge]

Lol

High rolling so hard

It broke Blizzard

[stoic spruce]

It fucked us over so hard but damn was it fun lol

[vocal surge]

Yee

The restless blades nerf was a response to that set bonus specifically

[stoic spruce]

That on top of crackshot lol, it was crazy

[vocal surge]

Yep

[stoic spruce]

So much CDR

[vocal surge]

Spiraled out of control

[stoic spruce]

It really did yeah

[vocal surge]

That when AWC came around

You know what happened

[stoic spruce]

The dark age...

[vocal surge]

(2v3'd by an specific Outlaw rogue)

[stoic spruce]

We lost tier and the nerf hit us hard

Smh

[vocal surge]

And still are affected by that nerf

[stoic spruce]

At least with the imp bte nerf you don't feel it in your gameplay

[vocal surge]

Didn't they change it in Midnight

From x4 to x3

[stoic spruce]

Yeah. Still nerfed

In pvp

[vocal surge]

Excluding pvp modifier

Yeee

Its about the time imma find a new grocery store item

To put over my pfp lol

[stoic spruce]

I couldn't find that to give my siblings for Christmas

[vocal surge]

Lol

[stoic spruce]

I'm looking at lasers and lights for my guns

[vocal surge]

What color you pickin' out?

[stoic spruce]

Green

[vocal surge]

Aye

[stoic spruce]

Ik they're not very practical but I like the novelty of them

[vocal surge]

Yee

Perfection

Canned Sharkfin Soup

XD

[stoic spruce]

Mmmmm

[vocal surge]

Delicious

Lol

Think imma do KIR for S1 or just my current Retail build w. Extra talent points

[thin grove]

Anyone else has trouble with seeing CC on Enemy Nameplates?

Works on dummies but not in Arena/BGs

[outer sky]

No. Are you using the MiniCC addon?

[dark kernel]

Honestly right now from my work on beta and looking at the game

next season feels so squishy

Sub has really low mastery it feels, but Versatility is WAY DOWN on gear. I'm at 21% in full pvp gear on beta and that's In PvP instances.

[potent pivot]

ye but so will everyone

idk about squishy

when beta games are hitting 80-100% damp lol

[dark kernel]

yeah its weird

its just like all damaged turned down

kind of okay?

[spring bough]

https://x.com/mvqdh/status/2021103728007274563?s=46&t=YKaisWqFkCTf8y-DfuEaHw

Mvq (@Mvqdh)

hahaha they whitelisted all the important rog spells, we are so fucking back

#fuckrogues

X · Feb 10, 2026, 6:07 AM

Why do people hate rogue

[dark kernel]

ehh

its almost irrelevant at this point

shadow dance has the capability to be operable around 44% of game time, what are you going to even do?

[stoic spruce]

Because sub exists

And outlaw with evasion and vanish cdr (but that's gone)

People will hate sub even more now

Smoke bomb, disarm, blind, gouge

Kidney->blind->sap

Hate is justified, I can't lie

Insane toolkit

[spring bough]

Evasion and feint still king

Even without cdr

[stoic spruce]

For sure

[spring bough]

Combat stamina stilll rocking too

[stoic spruce]

Yeah it sucks its gone but it's not the end of the world

[potent pivot]

plz call him an idjit and loser in the replies mmk thx

guy has become such a clown lately

[subtle warren]

Is that enemy cd tracker? Which addon and if so is it only beta right now?

[spring bough]

I think it’s MiniCC

Looks just like it

[subtle warren]

Hmm okay ty

Are they planning DR on nameplate in midnight? And if so will the icons be customizable again

I have no clue what it is but my brain just doesn’t relate conc shot icon and stuns

[potent pivot]

its not a cd tracker nah

just an alert

[potent pivot]

you can customize the icons using a program

[subtle warren]

Ya i figured its an addon but wondering which

[potent pivot]

naw not an addon

like an actual external program

https://x.com/sammers_wow/status/2016193488686088460

Sammers (@sammers_wow)

Just released the DR changer program allowing to do that without touching the files. The used icons are upscaled `Clean-Icons-Mechagnome-Edition` icons

You can download it from: https://t.co/wBushe3BJA

The project is open source.

X · Jan 27, 2026, 4:56 PM

[subtle warren]

Wow amazing thank you

[spring bough]

Is there a guide on there how to set this up

Or do u have the down n dirty quick steps ready

[spring bough]

Sounds ez I guess lmao

[dark moon]

Its completely wild that there's no ingame option to change dr to legacy

[spring bough]

Better not be no malware 😭

[potent pivot]

its open source there on the github linked so i doubt its anything bad, but i still am not responsible for anything so 💀

i rarely ever install external shit for games

[spring bough]

Imagine the guys Trojan horsing so when we pop up in solo shuffle he can hit the DC button and win everything 😂

[potent pivot]

lmao

[dark moon]

Kekw

[dark kernel]

I'd sooner be suspicious of him hijacking everybody's PC and doing a crypto hostage scenario

[static holly]

This doesn't mean anything. Something isn't safe just because it is on GitHub, so please be aware of what you download. GitHub is a super reliable way to spread such shit

[dark kernel]

Midnight beta loading screen music gave me a god damn heart attack

[potent pivot]

ye i just mean its there in the open for anyone to look at

so usually if its from someone thats been reliable for long enough idk

i didn't say it was safe

[lilac raptor]

Just read the code and look for any links/externals

[static holly]

Pretty sure it's against the TOS changing such files

Not worth it

[potent pivot]

?

i don't think it is no

lord knows how many thousands of people have used HD icon/custom icon packs for years now

[static holly]

Ur messing with the interface icons and replacing them

[potent pivot]

ye this has been done for ages no?

[static holly]

Should everyone decide on its own 🫤

[potent pivot]

https://wowinterface.com/downloads/info25064-CleanIcons-MechagnomeEdition.html

its on the same level as this

[subtle warren]

I’m going to look through that program and will update

Am software engineer who has done fairly extensive work on addons + server core

It’s mostly likely just swapping an icon file and nbd

[dark kernel]

I think it was @outer sky who called mastery stacking on beta, after messing around I can kind of see it

I still really like haste, but i think there's a play for heavy mastery too, our sub capstone talent is insane

[potent pivot]

you will want to at least hit the first/possibly second breakpoint of haste

[dark kernel]

It feels like Haste was nerfed insanely hard

on beta, haste barely affects Secret Technique cooldown now

it works well with our talents still

just rough with 15% haste giving you 1 second of dance

not worth going higher

feels like the coup animation lock was reduced hmm

[wise sequoia]

Yeah the next threshold is nearly unattainable.

You have max 2360 secondary stats from gear and probably want a good chunk of vers/mastery and you cant completely avoid crit.

300 haste is easy, and does get you to 6.6s dance (enough for starting with a shadowstrike and doing a coup de grace).

780 haste is enough to get 7.6s dance window … but that moves 480 mastery -> haste which reduces you finisher damage from 72.79% to 47.26%. So you can either have 1 more second in dance or have your finishers do 17.3% more overall damage.

1270 haste is over half your total secondary stats to get to 8.6. Almost certainly not worth it.

[dark kernel]

yeah this math checks out well. Have you actually played with using crafted pieces on PTR and figuring out our stats with like actual live gear?

or have you just messed with numbers

[spring bough]

Bro is back at it again

Just rename the Nobel prize atp

[dark kernel]

Yeah these numbers are cracked, im messing with apex talent on beta too

that thing is nuts

I think we are 100% back to only using cheap shot on kill targets

[spring bough]

I’d say so when we only have 1 or 2 for every go depending on the spec lol

[dark kernel]

This is so disgustingly nasty it's amazing.

you can go into Dance/CS > Evis > Evis > SS > CS > Evis > Evis

LMAO

[sharp sierra]

looks fine

nothing on scanners either

[vocal surge]

Imma be the new Food Vendor pvp spec

And make people hungry

By telling people some good food descriptions in the arena

ASMR Bread Breaking while fighting in the arena ezpz

[wise sequoia]

If you read the first part of the apex talent, you get a copy of the spell pulling out the shadow technique points. This means that an even better rotation would be:
CS -> coup (gets copied) -> shadowstrike (at full CP to proc apex talent) -> secret technique (also copied) -> shadowstrike -> evis.

If you start at 14 shadow technique points and play shadowcraft, you can copy all three finishers … but its fine just starting with 10 so you copy the two big ones.

[dark kernel]

that's what I was wondering about mid game

so there's still a big amount of planning

definitely works if you're prepped

[wise sequoia]

Funny thing is:
low on points? Go builder->spender->builder->spender
Lots pf points? Do the same

[dark kernel]

its interesting because we're kind of being optimized to pool special tech points

[wise sequoia]

100% … I think it might be optimized in many cases to not use evis outside of dance. Overcapping CP is a small damage loss compared to having insufficient shadow techniques points during dance.

[dark kernel]

funny because I was already doing that kind of

just not full blownm

but since we're in dance like 1/3rd of the game anyway....not so bad

[dark kernel]

A hole does kind of get blown in playing like this when it comes to us setting up our own Kidneys on healer

but in rated 3s our team can handle the cross and we just blind off/sap off

[halcyon timber]

Decision density. Its velocity vs acceleration. You decide when the moment occurs.

[wise sequoia]

Short term pleasure vs. long term gain!

[halcyon timber]

All 3 specializations have it and all specializations in the game have their own moments to pull.

[halcyon timber]

Pretty much

[vale steppe]

Am i stupid if i go Human?! TELL ME NO

[static holly]

No

[vale steppe]

Im 2.4/2.5 as Blood elf atm, tell me i wont get higher as Night elf

[vocal surge]

You won't get higher

[vale steppe]

Even if Assa will become meta?

[vocal surge]

https://tenor.com/view/masters-of-the-universe-skeletor-mot-u-gif-12455290948750268552

[vale steppe]

and im a meta slave?

[potent pivot]

it wasn't nerfed, its just the proper stat scaling

[static holly]

Yes

[vale steppe]

Thanks now i can be Human in peace

[static holly]

Thought you speak about classic or similar

Just kidding

[vale steppe]

No.. retail?

[static holly]

Racials help, sure but for 2300 everything will work

[vale steppe]

and over that?

[static holly]

I will the goblins to glory

[vale steppe]

I managed to get almost 2500 as a blood elf, i was just making sure i would get higher as a night elf

[static holly]

Ask the pros here but it depends more on your goals

[vale steppe]

just glad really

[potent pivot]

its not as big of a deal in midnight

[vale steppe]

Care to explain why?

[potent pivot]

because stealth isn't tied to assa/outlaw damage anymore

[vale steppe]

But sub?

[potent pivot]

never was

[vale steppe]

Great

[dark kernel]

The cooldown on secret tech was bugging for me on beta that was the explanation

[potent pivot]

Sounds about right

I just cba putting more time into beta knowing full well they’ll change some shit that makes all the testing worthless

[spring bough]

Just patiently waiting 16 more days till it’s live

[potent pivot]

Then we storm the gates 🔥

[wise sequoia]

*wait for weeks for the season to start

[halcyon timber]

Backend wowdev value for cdr on it as well as Deepening Shadows. It changes based on their end that they see with telemetry.

[outer sky]

Did you buy into early access?

[spring bough]

Hell yeah. Feb 26 is D day

[outer sky]

I thought it was the 27th

Nope youre right

26

[spring bough]

Yeah they updated it a day early for whatever reason

[dark kernel]

Now that's really weird I wonder why

[halcyon timber]

Tuning wise. Not “each time x is ready”

Long horizon wise: density of attacks between Trickster vs Deathstalker vs base Subtlety vs stats compared among all vs inter-class and extra-class. Nothing is done in isolation.

Tldr: monitor for performance health and compare across all modes —> tuning decision is made.

[vale steppe]

Ty I did it

[halcyon timber]

Hots, shields, “soft” auras.

[wise sequoia]

How reliable is kidney->sap?

It takes 6s to drop combat, right?

I imagine it doesn’t work on orcs, paladins and pet classes…

[potent pivot]

not

[vale steppe]

Doesnt quite work in arena anymore

[wise sequoia]

Is kidney only 5s in pvp?

[wicked tide]

what holds more value for prepatch, now that we can't take supercharger and deeper stratagem in the class tree? i'd think supercharger gives us more burst but maybe im wrong

[wise sequoia]

Supercharger increases damage of the first two finishers in dance by 9/6 = 50% more damage.
Deeper strategem makes every finisher 5% stronger and 7/6 = 16.66% stronger when at full CP. 1.05 x 1.166 = 22.43% increased damage for every finisher.

[halcyon timber]

Lots of extra stuff keeps people in combat depending on the class and hero tree. Combat timers can delay / reset due to that.

[wise sequoia]

I kinda expected that ... used to play rdruid and hots/treants were a real nuisance when tring to sneak drinks

[halcyon timber]

Yes you can, you make the distinction and gearing decisions for yourself.

[halcyon timber]

Yep its very situational

[wicked tide]

They changed the amount of talent poitns required to get down to the bottom of the tree so in prepatch we only have enough for 2 capstones not 3

[halcyon timber]

And you get more talents in 17 days +- in class, hero, and specialization tree to custom build as you need to. All geared around 90.

You still make the distinction and decision for yourself for emphasis of your chosen kit.

[wise sequoia]

Supercharge -> more burst
Strategem -> more sustained damage

[wicked tide]

yep i know for max level we are able to achieve all 3, i just was wondering what holds more value for pvp in prepatch now, dance windows is where we are doing most of our damage , so i'd assume taking supercharger makes more sense for now

[wise sequoia]

Take both 😛
Subterfuge is not as vital as 22% more damage on finishiers, right?

[wicked tide]

Depends on what your fighting for sure, 1 vanish is pretty scary and seems like it'd alot less control, something just to play around with i guess

Thanks for input tho apprecaite the math on t he 2 for when i do decide to take both

[dark kernel]

Almost never. But Kidney Blind sap 100%

Everyone is running trickster short blind

22second cd

[wise sequoia]

how about 4s cheap shot -> 3s blind -> 6s sap? every go?

sweet 😉

[dark kernel]

It should theoretically work if nobody touches target after CS but I would honestly never waste CS on CC now it's better for the kill target

[spare prism]

Did they changed something about our class tree today?

[wicked tide]

yes they made the requirement to get down to the capstones higher. You have to spend 3 additional points in order to get down to the bottom now

[halcyon timber]

Make your personal decision on what makes most weight to you.

[spare prism]

Thought so ma I jus finally got my clas tree how I really wanted too ;/‘n

Damn *

[wicked tide]

I understand you want me to follow my heart you've said that to me 3 different ways now and i appreciate your feedback thank you friend.

[subtle warren]

What’s the best place to look for super recent builds?

Usually check murlok but I don’t think there’s a way to sort by last seen or whatever

I know data refreshes every 8 hours but that would depend on any given player logging in and updating

[outer sky]

How's sub and assa feeling on pre patch post tuning? Anyone tried?

[shy vortex]

Bout to try some assa if they let me in!! 13% dmg increase is insane

[outer sky]

Well what's 13% of 0

On another note, have you guys been following the patch notes in respect to warrior tuning? LOL

Blizzard took Arms out back and shot em

Theyre doing less damage than prot warr and they got nerfed again

[snow wharf]

Hey, I have not tracked DRs that much previously, just memorized that someone specifically was stunned/polied 1-2 times and that's it. I would love to have a DR tracker for i.e. stun on enemy plates (preferably a plater mod). Is that doable after the add-ons' restrictions? If not, what is a popular thing to use instead?

[subtle warren]

Was the 8% sub damage nerf already in? Or did that happen today

[subtle warren]

I believe it’s coming in midnight, right now you can’t do it

[outer sky]

whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa what is going on here why do I have fewer class talents???

has anyone else noticed this???

I used to be able to get 3 capstones. Now I can only get 2

And if I remove something from up the tree I can't meet threshold for capstones

??????????????????????

[lime oar]

^^^

?? maybe idk

[outer sky]

thats horrible

theres no good build

this is quite nice though. At least we can see team trinkets

[spring bough]

Time to wait till 90 till u can get more LOL

[outer sky]

ok

this is bugged

somehow

its not giving the extra combo points

and assa is still trash

guess I'm on beta till the 26th

[molten hedge]

I do recall Nahj saying they removed the ability to choose your own build bc you have to get the entire top half. And it just occurred to me now why that makes sense

[outer sky]

Enlighten me

[molten hedge]

Bc now you basically have no choice but to get all that

Or at least 3 of them

[rare pine]

you dont want shiv?

[molten hedge]

It’s a wasted global now for the most part

[outer sky]

Its piss now

[outer sky]

But why does that "make sense"?

[molten hedge]

I just didn’t understand why he’d be forced to take it

And now I do bc someone said they increased the amount you have to get on top half

[outer sky]

Oh I thought you were saying it makes sense that blizzard made the change

[rare pine]

which two capstones are you all gonna run,
im keeping supercombos, not sure im going to drop 7th combo or 2nd vanish

[outer sky]

For sub you probably want deeper strat and forced induction

For assa tea is basically required so probably that anc forced induction

[molten hedge]

Lol no. Do we not take induction now

Oh ok I see

No subterfuge

I do love the 2 vanishes

[rare pine]

imma hate giving up the 2nd vanish for energy when more nerfs come

[outer sky]

Yeah for assa you could make an argument for anything besides cold blood

And idk about outlaw

[outer sky]

Assa got buffed 13% today and I still only did double the damage of a pres evoker

And ive been glad every season this xpac on assa rogue

So im not saying people cant do more damage than me but I am saying it ain't gunna be much more

So if assa got nerfed now they may as well just openly say they dont want us playing that spec like they once did for demo lock way back when

[rare pine]

no sub is going to get more nerfs fs

[outer sky]

Probably not on pre patch but maybe on beta yeah

Or pre season

[molten hedge]

Sub on beta was doing as much dam as everyone else it prob needs a nerf lol

Or maybe it doesn’t idk. That’s just what I’ve been conditioned to believe

[outer sky]

Yeah id honestly rather them just do it now than nuke us from orbit early season

I still have PTSD from SL S1

Fucking 3 paragraphs of nerfs

Literally nothing left untouched

Then they did it again mid season

Wait are you fucking kidding me?????

Did anyone else see this

Rated housing gets glad mounts

This is insane

[final anvil]

tf

[outer sky]

New game mode they're planning for Midnight. 5 players disguise themselves as household objects in a house and the other 5 try and find them. Like a home decor based hide and seek

And it can award a glad mount

Oh ok false alarm I got baited and chatgpt lied to me its a real mode but no rating and no glad mount recolor (yet) thank god omg

Id totally believe blizzard would do that though

[dark kernel]

I played beta sub

That spec is nuts

Lmao I love it

[spring bough]

Are u like shit posting or is this actually fucking real

You mean to tell me 5v5 arena is back but it’s in fucking housing?

[outer sky]

That part is true yes but the glad mount part isnt thankfully

[spring bough]

Thank god lmao

“Hey guys we added PvP stuff BUT you have to do housing” 💀

[outer sky]

Should be a professional now called "Arson"

Just get really good at burning people's fucking houses down

[summer burrow]

With this new patch, anyone able to tell me what capstones I need to get for assassination and Sub resepctably for PvP?

[subtle warren]

This is how I feel as someone who has wanted to play frost dk for years

[outer sky]

Sub take forced induction and deeper strat.

Assa take tea and anything but cold blood

[summer burrow]

ty

[subtle warren]

They nail that shit with a hellfire missile every time it starts to pump

[outer sky]

I think thats a design flaw with frost. Its only ever as good as its go is. So if its go is really strong it can solo your whole team. Otherwise wise you're just not scary enough

[subtle warren]

yup for sure

but that's a bit of my worry with sub

I guess it's not FDK simple, but classes with less buttons big goes tend to feel the nerfs hard

because it's such a thin line between overtuned and not

[outer sky]

I mean the way FDKs play is extremely degenerate too. Nobody wants to be queueing into that crap. Balanced or not. Like I get that they NEED to play the way they do, because it's what its design incentivizes, but that doesnt make it fun to almost get 3x one shot in a 5s burst then chase the DK and his flying godzilla teammate around the map for a full minute until they try and 3x one shot you all again

[subtle warren]

lmao

that's fair

flying godzilla kind of badass though

[outer sky]

Its the only caster I can tolerate

[exotic dove]

They going to need a whole lot more than 13% to make me play Assa in pvp right now on beta. Sub still greatly outperforms it in every meaningful category. As Zicore said it does maybe double the damage of a pres evoker meanwhile Sub is not as squishy, Damage is better burst or not, Energy regen works with Sub unlike Assa where it needs pooling (Blizz needs to decide to buff Assa much more or bring back TWW energy regen) and Sub has better control.

[outer sky]

Introducing classic era energy regen at the same time they gutted assa's CC was a really badly timed move by blizz

[ocean thunder]

They could just lower Kingsbane to 30s CD that would be an easy win for assa - maybe not a solution without more bleed dmg but still it would help burst

[outer sky]

Kingsbane still tickles

[exotic dove]

They need to do something there is nothing Assa does to really make it a meaninful choice in pvp. To be fair I play Sub also so maybe I have the Sub tinted glasses on but I don't think that is the case. Unless blizzard is like one spec of your class being viable is good enough there is still work that needs to be done

[outer sky]

I mained assa all xpac and I agree

[hybrid sapphire]

😎 😎 😎 😎 😎

[hybrid sapphire]

wdym?

nvm i guess a better question is what would you change? @outer sky i believe you; ive only been doing rando bgs

[wise sequoia]

Isn’t assa supposed to be significantly more overall rot damage with less control and less burst, but also better into casters because of silence instead of stun (and worse into melee).

Then sub is the setup burst, control and hide spec and outlaw is brawl and control.

[outer sky]

Let me think about that I dont want to give you a half assed answer

[wise sequoia]

I feel like subs identity matches this description well … and assa is just missing damage and some burst

[subtle warren]

wait so are we not taking Shiv anymore?

[outer sky]

Nah not unless you need an enrage dispel for some niche reason

[subtle warren]

but why is that ?

is the slowing effect not worth it anymore?

[outer sky]

Well sub never really took shiv. Assa took it because it buffed their other damage but they removed that part

So now its a soothe and a slow

Not worth 99% of the time

For the energy and global

[subtle warren]

hmm it seemed like every rogue on murlok was taking it as sub/trickster?

[hybrid sapphire]

i kinda hate when they reset my talents holy kahjdsfbgjahbdfg

[outer sky]

Youre gunna hate it a lot more when you go to fill em back in bud

[hybrid sapphire]

yallah im about to

[subtle warren]

Im not even sure where to put the points now that we have to spend 3 to get down to the next tier.

unbreakable and nimble?

[outer sky]

Furthest left one is good. Its an extra 5% passive slow. Id take it

[subtle warren]

I feel like unbreakable stride and numble fingers seem good?

or am I missing something

Reduced slow duration and cheaper vial/fient

(new to retail arenas so idk what's bait)

[hybrid sapphire]

IJBOL HUH

[sharp bough]

how much vers olaw is runing at Midnight's pvp?

[dark kernel]

Right now whatever you can get, next expansions whole new game anyway

Some people run up to 40% versatility

[hybrid sapphire]

oh wait we get more talent points anyway... why am i worrying

[sharp bough]

at midnight?

[dark kernel]

Yeah we're losing a lot of stats in midnight since it's a new expansion New gear new squish

[sharp bough]

i don't wnna imagine the crit

[outer sky]

So the "rot" playstyle of assa is fairly new. It used to be that your big damage was envenom and you would just have bleeds applied because you'd need them for energy but then people started complaining "hey I'm putting all this effort into putting up these bleeds you could at least make them do some damage". So they did and they kept cranking in that direction until it became the rot spec its become known to be but that is a fairly recent development. They're trying to walk that back now but obviously they've gone too far.

[hybrid sapphire]

when you said "not take shiv" do you mean just not put it on our bars?

we still have hemotoxin

[outer sky]

Unbreakable stride hasn't been good in ages. That MAY change in midnight with the pruning, not sure. But the issue is, slows have been getting applied so frequently that stride became a dead talent because a 30% reduced duration on a 10s slow is meaningless when its being applied every 5s.

[outer sky]

Take it if youre playing hemo

[hybrid sapphire]

but otherwise dont cast it, you mean?

[outer sky]

Basically yeah unless you need the soothe

[hybrid sapphire]

aight

[subtle warren]

Ahh okay that makes sense ty

Still feels like extra points with no shiv haha

[exotic dove]

Yeah the rot or consistent damage is too low and the damage over all is just too low for the energy pooling design they want. So basically its a tuning issue but they need to decide to buff the damage more or revert the energy regen nerf or buff the energy regen one of the two. Doesn't really matter to me which one but there are those that do not like the energy change

[hybrid sapphire]

they killed retab binder... PMTFO

[outer sky]

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/pvptabtarget

there

does the same thing

works fine

[exotic dove]

To add what Zicore said if they walk the rot aspect back then they definitely need to buff damage in the right areas but to be fair it would force tea permanently (to be fair Assa pretty much always used it anyway)

Im tired I feel like Im repeating myself or others but assa just needs Jesus

[outer sky]

Im just gunna say it

[sharp sierra]

wwwhttps://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/226359213427916800/1470619892570132641/image.png?ex=698c9dc1&is=698b4c41&hm=c723b18dbf1a4c41100c45b4736806a8457e1936facd407f1ad67769ae3c0b14&

best i could get lol

[outer sky]

Assa with full CDs and a full energy bar needs to be able to reliably 100-0

Im sure a few hours from now ill get @'d about saying that

[sharp sierra]

feel like that should be a sub only thing

[outer sky]

If sub can do that and they have this much CC nobody would ever play the other 2 specs

[exotic dove]

Sub does that now and no one will play Assa

well on beta

actually prepatch too

[sharp sierra]

i want the cc to go back to outlaw if they want it to keep doing healer dmaage

so that i agree with

[outer sky]

Another thing people forget and I think its big is sub also has 2m CD smoke bomb

Thats not trivial

That means if someone desyncs their trinket with it

You have a win con

Assa and outlaw have 3m CD bomb

Thats way more forgiving to the other team

The ONLY solution I can see where they can fix this mess without breaking a spec is if they give all 3 rogue specs shadow dance again and put shot in the Dark on the class tree

Just dont let assa or outlaw have 2 dance charges

That would actually fix everything but they'll never do it

[sharp sierra]

id rather have actual damage on outlaw lmao

[sharp bough]

[sharp sierra]

its either we have the most cc or we do better damage

there is no inbetween

[sharp bough]

21 vers

10.5% dmg reduction

17% (31%) cr

no way olaw is playable in pvp

[hybrid sapphire]

i have no energy dawg ijbol

[languid ravine]

doesnt matter, you lost the game before grapple hook even finishes its animation

[hybrid sapphire]

HASTE ASSA 2026??

[sharp bough]

ghook was changed?

[outer sky]

Giving us as many energy focused talents as they do and still making us stack haste even if we take all of them would be such a meme but also such a blizzard move

[wise sequoia]

Its always like this in season 1. They want to increase all stats by 50% between seasons, so we gotta start really low or we will all have max stats by season 3.

Maybe its kinda nice, since it makes the season feel different? season 1 casts are slow af and by season 3 you get 0.8s cyclones.

[sharp bough]

maybe

quick mats

50%+50%

[wise sequoia]

125%

[sharp bough]

[sharp sierra]

im guessing its gonna be the avg verse for everyone

[outer sky]

I personally think they need to do away with the concept of haste reducing cast times. Its a balancing nightmare

[sharp sierra]

that was with 4 piece

although im guessing we wont run 4 piece

[potent pivot]

[outer sky]

I think Outlaw may actually be doing better than arms warrior though lol

[sharp sierra]

2.5% damage buff seems pretty worthless for the amount of verse lost

[wise sequoia]

I think they should add hast to movespeed!

[subtle warren]

They’re still paying back arms warrior for vanilla 😂

[wise sequoia]

ZOOM

[sharp sierra]

lmao true

[subtle warren]

Or maybe it’s from wrath tsg

Warrior fdk never allowed to thrive again

[sharp sierra]

yesterday i was 4th in damage in a EBG i was very surprised

[outer sky]

I think arms may be getting dunked on harder than even DK has been

[idle coyote]

we have talents for today?

sub rogue

[outer sky]

For your 2 capstones you most likely want forced induction and deeper strat

You can put the 3 first half talents anywhere you want really just obviously not like anything to do with shroud

[potent pivot]

[wise sequoia]

How am I supposed to know what anything does when tooltips dont work and addons that record/report stuff have been removed from game?!

[outer sky]

Yes its only 5s in pvp

[sharp sierra]

thats the beauty of rogue

[potent pivot]

By casting it in pvp

[sharp sierra]

[outer sky]

I think he was asking if it was bugged or not lol

[potent pivot]

Nah

[outer sky]

But I know, who would ever expect a bug in this game

[hybrid sapphire]

/uj /rj small indie comapny

[outer sky]

I remember back in SL

7s kidney

20s CD

Didn't realize how good we had it

[exotic dove]

Assa Sepsis shenanigans too

lol which I am guilty of

[hybrid sapphire]

assa as an oppressed class deserves to take what it can get

[outer sky]

You may have figured out that i dont have the most faith in blizzard. But I actually think that the assa/outlaw CC kit issue is so glaring that they'll be forced to address it somehow

Like imagine you made it so arcane was the only mage spec that could sheep more than once lol

Like obviously that will kill the other 2 specs

[potent pivot]

ok this actually made me laugh

Can u imagine

[outer sky]

The game mode is real

Its set for 12.0.5

[potent pivot]

Wdym

We knew that already

[hybrid sapphire]

lmfao

[outer sky]

I dont understand the response

The game mode is real

You confirmed the game mode is real

Theres no contradiction there

So idk how to answer "wdym"

[potent pivot]

i'm saying we knew that already

[outer sky]

I mean exactly what we both said

@spring bough did you know about the 5v5 housing mode?

[outer sky]

I didn't say it was just announced today

[vocal surge]

https://tenor.com/view/cringe-gif-24107071

[outer sky]

Not everyone has wow head notification set up on their phone for housing updates lol

[potent pivot]

we talked about it in here

[vocal surge]

Imagine earning a glad mount

from 5v5 prop hunt

[jaunty osprey]

lfg

this looks so clean

[potent pivot]

pog gz

[stoic spruce]

The dream tbh

Earn the mount AND have fun??

Yes plz

[outer sky]

Don't get too excited im sure outlaw would F tier in housing hide and seek too

[spring bough]

Had no idea till today lmao

[outer sky]

We talked about it in here

[stoic spruce]

Skill issue

I'm top tier prop player

[spring bough]

I’m gonna go crazy with making hiding places

[rancid merlin]

anywher ein her I can see sub build after todays reset to talents?

[outer sky]

God theres a joke I want to make so badly right now but id get insta banned LOL

[potent pivot]

you just have to put more points into the first talent tree gate

[rancid merlin]

Ahh thats it, thank you

[dark kernel]

Oh they finally push that build to live

[potent pivot]

yee

[spring bough]

Time to wait for 90 now lmao

[ocean thunder]

Kingsbane still tickles but with apex talents it's supposed to help.
Right now you envenom and you struggle to build up 5cp for the next envenom back to back. KB will give you 5cp on its own! So you can almost do b2b envenoms and maaaybe even squeeze them in one kindey!
Maybe those 2 enven dmg will suck, but at least it would be the best assa was designed to have

[outer sky]

I have a better idea

[ocean thunder]

Like Assa is all about envenom and apex talents give +10% enven +20% nature dmg +500%AP dmg +5cp (= +1 boosted envenom)
In a world they buffed assa a bit more, maybe stacking amplify for 2 x envenoms make's it a good burst

[outer sky]

Ive tried it on beta and it feels almost as bad as prepatch

Im also still not sold on that talent pathing. Like taking amp poison and dragon tempered blades.

But ive tried a bunch of builds and I cant make any of them do any damage

[ocean thunder]

I have a secret hope things will change before release, but yeah, i kinda resigned into playing sub

[hybrid sapphire]

im doing bgs rn and half my time is spent waiting for energy zzzzzzzzz

[outer sky]

For me its like

[carmine rune]

whats pvp talent build for sub today?

[outer sky]

I feel like I want to do a go

But I cant because I need to reapply bleeds

And by the time I get enough energy back for the go

After reapplying bleeds

I need to reapply them again

[ocean thunder]

I feel you, last season i spend most of the time applying bleeds to all and doing very little envenoms other than the Kingsbane goes

add an energy starvation on top..

[outer sky]

@potent pivot can you update the pins with the new talent builds? If you havent already

[ocean thunder]

But if i understand well, you dont need to apply bleeds to multiple people for the energy regen, right? it gives much less

[outer sky]

Take forced induction and deeper strat for your 2 capstones

[hybrid sapphire]

crimson tempest needs to be 10 energy tbh

[carmine rune]

1 point in vigor or no vigor?

nvm i guess u cant

[potent pivot]

i think once venomous wounds is fixed it won't feel as bad

[carmine rune]

we still using danse and dark brew?

[potent pivot]

dunno if it'll be worth tho

[hybrid sapphire]

is it bugged?

[potent pivot]

yh

[outer sky]

Yeah they made the spec so it would reward you with energy for bleeding multiple targets but blizzard didnt foresee doing that causing people to bleed multiple targets to get rewarded with energy so they nerfed that part of it into the ground

[potent pivot]

no DB

rotten/danse/shadowcraft mostly

[carmine rune]

o u mind sharing build?

[potent pivot]

idk if the import in the pins will work in game atm

if it works u can finish it from that, may not work after update

[carmine rune]

wait is deathstalker bad? i thought everyone was playing that rn

[potent pivot]

deathstalker is dead rn yes

[carmine rune]

o wtf

[outer sky]

Its bugged to the point of being unplayable

[carmine rune]

lmao wow i had no idea i've been running it in bgs for days

[wise sequoia]

If you apply your mark into an imunity like bubble you wont get the mark back until you relog

[carmine rune]

kk so in sub we use the rotten and danse, in rogue we use forced induction and deeper strat, anything i need to knwo about trickster? i have not played it yet

[potent pivot]

even if it gets cleared by an immunity

can also get jank from you dying

[potent pivot]

not really, you mostly play as normal

just make sure to line up CDs

tech/dance, tech/dance/blades

piss easy now

[wise sequoia]

Trickster is just line up your Coup de Grace and Secret technique with shadow dance every 20s ... keep pressing backstab/shadowstrike to get unseen blades procs.

You can macro Coup de Grace into your secret techniques macro if you want:

/use coup de grace
/use secret technique

Then you wont waste unseen blades stacks.

[potent pivot]

??

what is this macro lmao

[carmine rune]

so my evis will sometimes become coup and i want to use that over tech or at the same time as tech?

[ocean thunder]

I have not really tried it, but by reading it doesnt unseen blade have a 15s cd? So in order to reach 4 you need a minute?

[potent pivot]

#subtlety-faq message

[ocean thunder]

Or thousand cuts SnD refreshes the CD often?

[potent pivot]

you can get the smaller optimizations from there

[wise sequoia]

During burst you want to either

SS ->Coup->SS->ST
Or
SS ->ST->SS->Coup

Depending on when coup de grace is ready. This macro makes sure you use it before ST when possible. Otherwise the 2 free unseen blades procs might get wasted ... ?

isn't that the point?

[potent pivot]

why do you need to macro 2 globals to do that exactly

[spring bough]

Because calculations dictate

[potent pivot]

i'm calling bs lmao

[wise sequoia]

So you don't accidentally click ST when coup is ready ... its litteraly free correction

no downside

[spring bough]

[potent pivot]

what if its just wrong

[carmine rune]

so secret tech over coup is major dps loss, got it

[potent pivot]

no

would disregard all of this ngl

[wise sequoia]

You always send ST during dance ... and you use it to build Coup de Grace stacks ... always better to use coup first during dance (if possible) so you dont waste stacks.

Also 5 stacks of flawless form for ST.

Also better to copy coup de grace with apex talents.

Literally no downside.

[spring bough]

Why not just ball out, not track coup, and just send it whenever it’s up

[carmine rune]

so no vigor now means we always have no energy? :'(

[wise sequoia]

Infinite energy during dance 😛

Thats like 1/3rd of the time

[carmine rune]

do u need shadowcraft for that?

[outer sky]

I would strongly advise taking shadowcraft

[wise sequoia]

On beta shadowcraft is very good since apex talents are huge burst. not sure on prepatch

Shadowcraft approximately tripples the amount of shadow techniques points you generate from 0.56ish per second to 1.56ish per second. 1 Free combo points every second of dance is nice.

[outer sky]

And the energy

[carmine rune]

so if u shadowstrike and only get 5 cp u just shadowstrike again?

[outer sky]

Yes

Unless

You are 100% sure

Pressing sectec

Or evisc

At 5cp

Kills

[carmine rune]

is coup de grace a channel or it just has a fancy animation?

[outer sky]

Don't think too much about it

[carmine rune]

kk

[outer sky]

But its not a channel

[wise sequoia]

1.2s global ...

[outer sky]

I actually hate it

[carmine rune]

we got rid of WAs but i feel like theres so many tiny bull shit buffs still but i guess u can just not think about them

[potent pivot]

tech is your highest prio finisher, there is also situational downside

[wise sequoia]

The PvE nerds told me that Coup de Grace is higher priority. Higher damage = better to copy. Wastes fewer unseen blade stacks. Flawless form uptime. It sims better.

But I'm eager to here a counterargument 🙂

[outer sky]

Probably would be higher dps on a training dummy but when you're trying to kill someone before you run out of CC it might be better to prio whatever is the most damage per combo point

[potent pivot]

It isn’t even true in pve as far as I’m aware

[outer sky]

I just took his word for it

[potent pivot]

But ye I agree with zic

[wise sequoia]

My coup hits twice as hard as my ST?

[potent pivot]

[outer sky]

That sounds sus

My sectec, at least pre nerf, would hit for 80-120k

[vale steppe]

how long have deathstalkers mark been bugged?

[outer sky]

If that were true my CDG would one shot everyone

[potent pivot]

Since prepatch began

[outer sky]

Since the TWW alpha

[wise sequoia]

Beta down cant check 😢

[vale steppe]

LMAO

[wise sequoia]

Last time mine only hit for 50k ... while my coup hit for 129k (84k + ancient arts)

But that might be an exception

Will absolutely concede the point if ST hits harder than coup

[carmine rune]

anyone get the achievement for getting 1k honor while in zul'aman despite not ever touching zul'aman?

[hybrid sapphire]

i did

[outer sky]

Is beta supposed to be back up any time tn?

[spring bough]

Offline till the 26

[outer sky]

BS

[spring bough]

Blizz forgot to put beta back up after maintenance today or something lol

[outer sky]

I mean why not. Not like they're using it for anything.

[wise sequoia]

Servers will be back online ... 5 hours ago!

Dangit I'm too slow

allready got an answer

was distracted by video

[carmine rune]

did our dmg get nerfed today in pvp

[outer sky]

Yes

[potent pivot]

i think sammers merged his sArena with Bicmex's old Gladius and took it over

[subtle warren]

So if you take the quick blind talent it lasts 1.2 yeah?

[potent pivot]

3

[subtle warren]

Oh okay that’s easy to overlap with kidney then

[potent pivot]

the 80% reduction is "nerfed" by 50% in pvp

[subtle warren]

Gas

[outer sky]

Its funny reading it like that

[potent pivot]

isn't it

[spring bough]

I stg this shit better not get touched by a patch note

Ima be so mad if we only get a week out of it at season start lol

[subtle warren]

okay so just got home - the big difference is that we lost the ability to have vigor?

[potent pivot]

pretty much

[subtle warren]

or I guess you lose deeper strat/vanish

damn thats ass I don't want to give up either of them

the second vanish felt so nice

is it strategem > vanish?

[potent pivot]

ye

[sharp sierra]

think i can afford to drop thistle for deeper or not worth

[subtle warren]

Why is it that on murlok.io in shuffle all of the rogues are playing gouge over quick blind?

[potent pivot]

is MBB gone? tf

[hybrid sapphire]

do we rly not want two vanishes? 👀

[subtle warren]

is there something that's changing that makes it better now?

[potent pivot]

murlok is semi shit until a few weeks into season

[sharp sierra]

yeah murkio addon has been broken too

[subtle warren]

so where would you recommend looking? I'm new to rogue so I need at least some reference

but I guess yeah all those profiles would be from last season

[potent pivot]

there's not very many meaningful choices, its prepatch atm

[subtle warren]

I guess I mean what will most likely translate over to midnight

quick blind vs gouge is kind of a big diff

to get used to

[potent pivot]

u just play blind

[subtle warren]

okay ty

[spring bough]

I’d prob drop charger for deeper

[vocal surge]

Aight, who's down to fight 1v1 Retail?

[spring bough]

Feb 26 about a few hours after launch when we max level see u then lol

[vocal surge]

Aye

[hybrid sapphire]

why tf did my deathmark macro stop working like 2 minutes ago

when it was working just fine before. fuck this lmao

[outer sky]

@subtle warren what spec are you playing

[subtle warren]

Sub/tricks

[outer sky]

Then you dont need tea

You can take forced induction

If you play shadowcraft you'll still be able to spam globals inside dance

[subtle warren]

Yup ty I got forced and and the one next to it

Just sucks so hard losing subter and the second vanish

[outer sky]

Sucks a lot less for sub than for everyone else lol

[subtle warren]

Especially being newer the second vanish was a nice oh shit button

Ya that’s true

[outer sky]

Used to be better

The stealth protection was only pretty recently nerfed in pvp to 1.5s

We had the full 3s for the longest time

[subtle warren]

Ya that would’ve been so nice

Think rogues will be targeted more now? With people knowing there’s only 1?

I feel like I was never the kill target before this in shuffle

[outer sky]

You'll get it back at level 90

[subtle warren]

Ohh true good point

Crisis averted

[outer sky]

Bro in SL we were THE kill target omg

I never had to run so much

Getting fucking trained every game by Neopolitan Ice-Cream Cleave

Most obnoxious comp when its S tier

[potent pivot]

double check my work rq

CUQAByFP3pExAEG41/8+e6b8fDgZWmBAAAAAmtxMLTjZxMzMGzAmZmZZmZZMzYbbMDmZMgZMAAAAMjZYzsNjxMMWALzsNtQLzGmBYGMDA

CMQAByFP3pExAEG41/8+e6b8fPzMjZbmBAAAAAwsMYbGAAAAAQbbzMDPwMDmZmZWmZZmBmZmZGDzYYGD2mZZgxMmlGzy2wkNMsZstBYGA

[subtle warren]

What comp is that

[potent pivot]

i always miss some miniscule bs when doing this day 1

[subtle warren]

And yeah I hate being kill target tbh

[outer sky]

Ret/warr/priest

[potent pivot]

someone gimme a couple outlaw builds to try and ill get to em

@spring bough

[outer sky]

Is this actually better than Deeper Daggers?

[dark moon]

Oh that gave me ptsd on the spot

[outer sky]

because youre dropping deeper for it

idk if that was intentional

[potent pivot]

nop

was actually wondering why mine didn't have deeper but i just slapped it together

[outer sky]

ok heres the correct sub one

CUQAByFP3pExAEG41/8+e6b8fDgZWmBAAAAAmtxMLTMLmZmZGzAzMzMLjZZMzYbbmZwMjBMjBAAAghZYzsNjxMMWALzsNtQLzGmBYGMDA

i got deeper back on the spec side

[subtle warren]

Also random question why don’t people play gloomblade?

[outer sky]

and I dropped the shroud talent on the class side for iron stomach because why not and the shroud talent on the spec side for the shuriken storm crit talent because also why not

figure anything is better than the shroud talents for obvious reasons

[subtle warren]

More magic absorb exists than heavy armor?

[potent pivot]

yep i didn't even notice

since it reset my shit

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CUQAByFP3pExAEG41/8+e6b8fDgZWmBAAAAAmtxMLTjZxMzMGzAzMzMLjZZMzYbbmZwMjBMjBAAAghZYzsNjxMMWALzsNtQLzGmBYGMDA

[outer sky]

heres the correct assa one

CMQAByFP3pExAEG41/8+e6b8fPzMjZbmBAAAAAwsMYbGAAAAAQbbjZ4BmZMmZmZMzyMDMzMzMGmxwwgtZWGYMjZpxssNMZDDbGbbAmZGA

[potent pivot]

why would u take shadowrunner

and not numbing

[outer sky]

you can swap that back if you want. Numbing is nerfed 50% in pvp though so I never saw it doing much

[potent pivot]

its still very good yes

[outer sky]

arite swap that back

[potent pivot]

you're already runnin dtb so may as well imo

[outer sky]

I'm somewhat skeptical of the value of shrouded suffocation without subterfuge. You get one 3 combo point generating, 20% stronger garrote. That's it. And you cant even pandemic it because if you regarrote you'll just overwrite the empowered one

but idk if theres anything better

[potent pivot]

this assa one was the wrong one anyway i pinned a diff one

[potent pivot]

ye personally i'm thinking regicide's reward kinda

its a decent amount of haste

its either that or the crit one idk

[outer sky]

It is a good bit of haste which may smooth out the kingsband go a bit

[molten hedge]

Referencing Nahj a lot but it’s bc I watched a video from a month or two ago bc no rogs are streaming atm. And he kept saying iron stomach is so good. Like doesn’t it only increase vial by like 8%? I mean I guess it adds up using off cd, but it’s not insane to me lol

[outer sky]

I mean the thing is, if I say the sky is blue and Nahj says its orange, you should probably just believe him

And thats what 90% of the player base would tell you too

But id need to hear his argument for why thats "so good"

I could understand "not the worst option" and "worth taking"

But "so good" sounds like its a pivotal talent

So idk im not going to say it is and I dont personally think it matters much which of those random talents you take up there

But im also not going to say Nahj is wrong

Def not without hearing his actual argument

[molten hedge]

He just kept saying it. It was a beta shuffle video where he plays with pal and metaphors.

[outer sky]

Palumor?

[molten hedge]

Can deff feel the sub nerfs on prepatch a bit. But I’m sure it feels better with some haste and apex talents at 90

[molten hedge]

Yeah lol

[outer sky]

I can ask Palumor

Hes playing OSRS a lot lately. Im in his guild on that game

[molten hedge]

They queued some thug then RMS

[outer sky]

Next time im on ill ask him when hes streaming

[potent pivot]

I have a feeling I know the answer

[molten hedge]

What are you asking him? If iron stomach is good? 💀

[outer sky]

I want to know why its "so good"

Lots of talents are good

[potent pivot]

Anytime anyone asks about wow lately he kinda just differs it

[outer sky]

Damn

[potent pivot]

I don’t think iron stomach is anything to write home about

It’s good enough where most other options are dog ass

[molten hedge]

Trueee

[potent pivot]

Bout as simple as that tbh

Rogue self healing is just giga dog ass too so anything helps

[outer sky]

Was nahj playing with a lock by any chance?

[molten hedge]

He said it while shuffling

[outer sky]

Was there a lock

In the shuffle

[molten hedge]

No

[potent pivot]

Sub should play the finisher healing talent and leeching poison

[molten hedge]

But that’s a good point

[potent pivot]

Let’s go full self heal

[molten hedge]

I’m playing sub destro this ssn I think

[potent pivot]

Finisher healing talent is way better than iron stomach

[outer sky]

How tf are you duelist xp and you already have it lined up what youre playing this season and I still have to lfg this shit LOL

Thats not rating flame that's just shock btw

[molten hedge]

Lmfaoo I got 2 groups of guys that are all around my xp

Man we got 2370 last ssn we were close. Only my 2nd ssn doing 3s too. Hopefully we can get this ssn

[outer sky]

Well if you get that rating again this season you'll probably have glad

With the threshold being lowered to 2300

[molten hedge]

Yeah. We missed a month and a half of queues leading into the last weeks bc our third was afk for irl sadly

[potent pivot]

Did they ever specify glad would be 2.3

[molten hedge]

Yeah it’s 2300 now

[outer sky]

Yes

[vale steppe]

Everyone Will be Glad now lol

[potent pivot]

Saying elite is 2.3 isn’t exactly the same thing no?

[outer sky]

Well glad isnt 2.3 its 50 wins at elite rank

You still need the wins

[potent pivot]

What if they make it 2.4+50 still

[outer sky]

Hold on ill find the blue post

[molten hedge]

Would the forums lie

[vale steppe]

2,4 is quite big diff from 2.3 imo

[potent pivot]

pretty much yea

[potent pivot]

its about to be the same thing as getting KSL

[vale steppe]

I’m not really complaining tho, as i never got my 50 wins, always quit mid but it feels like it will be kinda easy if you have some understanding..

[potent pivot]

ok nice they actually fully specified

[potent pivot]

yeh. i only ever went for it if i really liked the mount tbh, juice wasn't worth the squeeze

[outer sky]

I just cant believe I read "top end pvp rewards" and "strategist" in the same sentence. Bro you can get strategist on accident doing 1800 carries in blitz lol

[vale steppe]

Understandable

[outer sky]

Obviously it'll still depend somewhat on ladder inflation but generally speaking 2300 ain't as hard of a squeeze

Can probably just get it every season

[potent pivot]

game just needs to be fun

if fun, i play, if not, rip

[outer sky]

When was the last time that was the case

[potent pivot]

mmmm

s1

[outer sky]

Oh yeah weren't you loving DK

[potent pivot]

s1 I mostly played feral

But played feral/rogue/dk/warr

[outer sky]

Creeping the warrior discord rn its hilarious

[potent pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/josie-josie-martinez-jo-martin-sheep-sheep-xing-gif-9793182163226288557

i like when warrior specs are good

[gilded gulch]

If you tell warriors to press more than 1 button their brain starts to hurt.

[potent pivot]

its so fun to just afk your brain

[gilded gulch]

so slam spam goodge

[potent pivot]

me smash

i rly need to try devourer

is it fun

i wish it was a melee

[outer sky]

WW monk with Keefers Dash was really fun because sticking to targets was pretty easy and the rotation is meditative so id just be vibin while one shotting an entire team back in DF

Then they took away keefers

And it became a sweat fest

[gilded gulch]

SL was peak keefer's

[potent pivot]

yeah ww hasn't seemed fun to me since the SL iteration that i never got to play

idk why

[gilded gulch]

only downside is you lost to any rogue mage

[outer sky]

I like when arms is good. Not so much when fury is

[gilded gulch]

with more than 1 shared braincell

also dance of chiji proccing another was disgusting

Not me killing a rogue from 70-0 in 2 globals through his trinket vanish

because images went over and spun in the area he ran to

[outer sky]

Yeah WW monks really fucked up rogues

Still do honestly

[potent pivot]

i kinda like playing them both equally

[gilded gulch]

well

every rogue that expac played rm

[potent pivot]

fury in s2 seemed like it just fell over iirc?

[gilded gulch]

and rm was kind of free win if you werent dumb

into ww

[potent pivot]

even when it was 'good'?

[outer sky]

Yeah I and it was sub too

The monk cant press anything when hes stunned so its kinda like

You're either dead in a bomb or in a duel

[gilded gulch]

well at lower mmr it was easy because

most rogues were real dumb and instant tried to open after sapping teammate

so you just ropped self

and he looked stupid trying to open

[outer sky]

They still do that at low rating. When I play my WW monk I get low rated rogues with that bit all the time

[gilded gulch]

i think i had to get to like 2.5 before i got rmxs

that actually covered me before opening

[outer sky]

So like 1400 in a normal season

[gilded gulch]

entirety of sl yeah

[potent pivot]

bro do all the other pvp discs not pin anything except youtube videos and memes?

tf am i lookin at

[gilded gulch]

also its because gl killing a half decent mage

root images

or db them

[outer sky]

You know that cant happen now right

[gilded gulch]

yeah back then

[outer sky]

Ye

Was such aids

[gilded gulch]

thats why you killed rogue in rmx matchups

also alot were dumb and would chase behind los

[outer sky]

This is widely considered one of the most, if not the most helpful class discords of all of them

[gilded gulch]

i think the most offensive keefers shit i had in sl

[potent pivot]

yea ik but jeez

[gilded gulch]

was queue into rsham war in 2s and kill them both through the sham's SLT

[potent pivot]

i swear there was someone pinning info in dh discord, now its just old mvq videos

💀

[gilded gulch]

last i checked warrior its just shitposting or gymposting

[potent pivot]

went to look for a devourer build

[outer sky]

Most of the cords that do still have actual gameplay related info

Its all dated info

Like the hunter discords top pin is setting up the dynamic macros addon

Which doesnt exist anymore

[potent pivot]

flarkness on top of the dk stuff as usual at least

[outer sky]

The warlock disc seems reasonably updated

[potent pivot]

i don't doubt it i just never venture that far down the list

all melee on top

[outer sky]

@gleaming sentinel Make sure you update the pins in the evoker disc 🐉

[potent pivot]

all pins for all encompassing information must be updated within the hour of every update

[thin grove]

Is there a way to track DRs @nameplates?

[outer sky]

Fresh DRs addon

[potent pivot]

MidnightDR

[outer sky]

He changed the name again?

[thin grove]

"it only works on the nameplate of your current target. When using macros such as focus, it may be incorrectly displayed on the target’s nameplate. Even if a crowd control effect is interrupted midway, the timer does not refresh."

ugh

[potent pivot]

NON-ARENA:

no addon can do every target outside of arena afaik

[thin grove]

good morning 😬 time for a coffee

[potent pivot]

[outer sky]

Is that Lesh's addon?

[potent pivot]

no

[outer sky]

Or a different nameplate DR one

[potent pivot]

diffy

[outer sky]

Is it better

[potent pivot]

its compatible with BBP

shows your target DRs outside of arena

[thin grove]

Oh that's lovely

[potent pivot]

still very new

literally made a day ago

[outer sky]

Does it show them in BGs?

[potent pivot]

That’s likely only going to be target

I don’t think it’s possible for anyone to do otherwise

[outer sky]

Still better than nothing

[outer sky]

What CDM and PRD skin is that?

[potent pivot]

Looks lil the stuff we have linked in the spec channels

Type !ui in #subtlety

Awang bar and other stuff

[outer sky]

Does it work for all specs or just sub?

[potent pivot]

Why would it only work for sub

You can get import codes for other specs CDM in each channel as well

If that’s what u mean

The awang bar works for all specs is what I meant

[thin grove]

wdym brotha

[potent pivot]

Cooldown manager/resource display

[potent pivot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923898501529600/1471055571581927424/image.png?ex=698d8ac3&is=698c3943&hm=55dc639e1c0d4ec98a256d0aed11f8642d6e7fd917905ca9f20ebb50a989e238&

Look at this

[thin grove]

Yeah I got that part 😄 but Im not sure I changed skins or smth

[outer sky]

Thats yours?

[potent pivot]

I haven’t done my ui yet