pvp

[potent pivot]

Haste to 30 is plenty

You can push vers passed 30

The rest into crit and mastery

Builders are where your damage is rn other than sec tech alone

[abstract stratus]

so these stats are around about rightish?

[potent pivot]

Can you show with pvp scaling

[potent pivot]

Decent enough yeah you could do even more crit

It should be noted that all of this stat talk is prepatch only

Nothing that happens on prepatch matters for the season

Like this

[outer sky]

well maybe people playing prepatch want to kill people on prepatch. We can and will reevaluate gear and stats when S1 drops after a few rounds of inevitable tuning and changes

[potent pivot]

The stats I’m saying are for prepatch

…..

[outer sky]

im saying, people just drop with mastery stacked as sub

its like a clean 100-0

[abstract stratus]

[potent pivot]

You’re putting all of your marbles into a 6 sec dance and 1 sec tech per blades

[abstract stratus]

🎶 one of these things is not like the others🎶

[potent pivot]

“Haste might be bait” is fucking insane lol

[outer sky]

at 30% haste sectec still has a 19s CD so you dont get 2 per blades anyway

and the 6.3s dance still feels like it has plenty of uptime

[potent pivot]

And how about evis being a wet noodle

[outer sky]

well its a lot less of 1 with mastery stack. I killed that pres 100-0 with a sectec and an evisc

the point is sectec trucks like 50% of someones health

[potent pivot]

It does fine without max stacking

But you also get more cheap/strike/etc damage

[outer sky]

im having a lot easier time killing people

[potent pivot]

I think that’s a you issue

[spring bough]

Evis doing numbers w sub lol. Had a few games that was top dmg

[outer sky]

every sectec is like super dangerous

[potent pivot]

Because it’s one of your most used abilities

[outer sky]

yeah i think its good

[potent pivot]

As a global it isn’t hitting hard

This boggles my mind

The value of haste is so basically apparent I feel like you’re trolling me

[outer sky]

dance being 1.7s longer doesnt really seem to be as valuable being able to one shot someone every ~20s

[potent pivot]

You’re over exaggerating but whatever man

[potent pivot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923898501529600/1463110776792547339/stats.png?ex=6977e3d8&is=69769258&hm=62f340d9e8ac70e2956be794b603ffd7f19ecc9b9f268eb24ec819cf0cab23f5&

[outer sky]

yeah but tricks theyre assuming youre fighting a boss encounter not trying to kill somebody in a 7s stun lock

[potent pivot]

It doesn’t matter

This is where all the top players will pull their information from and go from there

Saying haste might be bait when it’s that drastic in pve is just stupid

[spring bough]

Good ole just get on and see what feels best method always works for me 🤷‍♂️

Haste w outlaw again I’m in heaven. And now sub using more haste? Ez swaps

[potent pivot]

Ye, it’s just prepatch either way

I just can’t stand to see random ill informative shit thrown around

[potent pivot]

Also real

[spring bough]

U been hitting games yet?

Sub feels so ridiculously easy shits 100% getting nerfed if it’s still like this week 1 of the season lol

Outlaw feeling great too

Thought I was gonna be less tanky but it’s still great even without combat stamina talent lol

And losing evasion cdr isn’t that bad too

[potent pivot]

I haven’t touched outlaw at all just yet but todays my Friday

Going to play a lot next 2 days

[spring bough]

Try the fatebound no KS build…. Feels like it’s dmg can’t be CCd as much as trickster with KS can lol

[dark moon]

i tried haste for couple of games and with 17% it gave me i think a bit more than a secon on dance, and I lost around 18 mastery and vers

[spring bough]

Heads makes u chunk

[dark moon]

so i went back to full mastery/vers like in s3

and felt better with 6s dance

[spring bough]

I ended up dropping some verse for more crit/haste/mastery

[outer sky]

official advice is at least 22% and up to 30%. I was playing with 30

[spring bough]

Think I’m at 32% verse

And it feels great

[outer sky]

yeah everyone thats tried it so far prefers the mastery stack.

[dark moon]

how long is dance with 30 haste?

[outer sky]

8s

[dark moon]

2 seconds?

thats 1 shadowstrike

nah, thats too little, no?

[outer sky]

it also reduces the CD of sectec

to 19s

whereas mine now is 23s

i actually feel that more

[potent pivot]

???

[spring bough]

I think my sec tech was like 18. Something but I was also rocking like 40% haste last night 😭

[dark moon]

oh i missed on the sec tech part

[potent pivot]

Also cap

[spring bough]

I was doing no without a trace and playing supercharger shit felt great

[outer sky]

same

[spring bough]

I wonder if @vocal surge recorded that game where we popped the healer in less than 5 seconds lol

[outer sky]

i wasnt even playing the good sub stats for that. Was still playing haste

[spring bough]

P sure was a monk we kidney bombed and hit some techs and dude was dead

And we were all like 20% hp 😂

[outer sky]

yeah that dude had to do a character restoration after getting deleted like that

[dark moon]

this feels so satisfying ngl

[outer sky]

ok but on another note, has anyone else noticed that every stun in arena has the duration as if it were on an orc?

like in the clip i posted

wasnt a full 4s cheap and it was on a dragon

all my stuns in arena are short

[dark moon]

he late trinketed the cheap

or?

[outer sky]

no

look at the cheap icon

when i first press it

it says 3s

never 4

but if i do it on this training dummy for pvp i get the correct duration

[dark moon]

it starts at 4

or am i watching a different clip

where you kill the pres evoker on nagrand, he trinkets the last second of cheap

[outer sky]

it starts at 3

[dark moon]

what

dude

am i crazy

[outer sky]

seems so

https://outplayed.tv/world-of-warcraft/kbOyyW

here

[dark moon]

check the target frame

not the nameplate

and focus frame

and sarena

its 4 everywhere

the dr on the nameplate is wrong

[outer sky]

@hazy monolith

[dark moon]

hahaha

instaaaaaaa tag

im loving it

[outer sky]

its weird because its correct outside arena

wait no thats not even Lesh's thing

thats Playnator

[dark moon]

same thing here, but we found the issue

[dark moon]

hmmmmmm

[outer sky]

thats weird because it looks correct outside of arena

[hazy monolith]

?

[outer sky]

sorry

I'm snowed in and tipsy

@spring bough is your Playnator doing the same thing?

[hazy monolith]

sounds like a good sunday

[dark moon]

only playnator show bigdebuffs on the frame?

[outer sky]

It is. And I'm closing my shop tomorrow so I can sleep through the hangover

[hazy monolith]

hahaha

[outer sky]

no BBP does too but for some reason BBP removes my PRD from my screen

[dark moon]

PRD?

[outer sky]

Personal Resource Display

[dark moon]

oh

have you tried the sensei one?

its kinda cool

[outer sky]

nameplates?

[dark moon]

no its for the resource

[outer sky]

I mean

idk if i see a point

i just need my combo points under my cooldown manager

[dark moon]

its movable, looks cool

[spring bough]

Doing what sorry haven’t been reading

[acoustic junco]

What are you guys using for dr on nameplates

Or is that cc only

[outer sky]

when you stun something in an arena does the nameplate debuff for the stun show 1 number lower than what it should and whats on your arena frames?

[spring bough]

Do you mean if I 5cp kidney it starts at 4 seconds?

[spring bough]

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/nameplate-drs

[outer sky]

we're all using this because theres no other option but it works good

[outer sky]

yes

[acoustic junco]

Thank god

[spring bough]

Yes it starts at 4 I noticed it earlier

[outer sky]

lmfao leave it to blizzard to fuck that up

[spring bough]

Was doing 5cp kidney but the nameplate CC duration started at 4

Does it with cheap too

[potent pivot]

….?

[lime oar]

idk that pres blew up, mast seems fun

evoker whatever it was

[outer sky]

Join us

[pale sierra]

I have noticed the stuns being 1 sec shorter on the debuff, but I think its because the usual addons does not count 0, whereas blizzards counts 0.

[dark kernel]

I think stuns are straight up bugged and they're all a second shorter. My second CS is always only a 1 sec stun

[potent pivot]

I’m pretty sure this is just a visual thing

[pale sierra]

I think this is just Blizzards way of showing it perhabs, just know I have tested this a lot you are not getting scammed for your duration. 😂

[potent pivot]

Ye

It’s likely just starting at 4 visually because when you apply a 5s it’s also insta counting down to 4.9

When you apply 1 sec stun the icon has no number on it, right?

5->4 shows 4sec, 2->1 shows 1sec, and 1->0 shows no number

[pale sierra]

Exactly

[spring bough]

arena core updated and is adding stuff to work with platynator 🔥

[outer sky]

managed to get another 5% mastery I'm so hype

[spring bough]

bro wtf

[outer sky]

yeah bro I'm gunna get us nerfed so hard lmfao

[spring bough]

please dont be like me and verm with coins 5 days into season 1 lol

[outer sky]

WAIT

OMG

[potent pivot]

[outer sky]

NOW WE'RE TALKING

@spring bough

[spring bough]

thats gross

haste 3% is gonna feel awful lol

[potent pivot]

I hate it here sometimes

[pale sierra]

I believe this is how they meant to do it.
You are most likely thinking about when they had the middle one, so now its just full duration and the second stun would be the third on the picture.

Went from like 4, 2, 1 if I remember correctly to now cutting that 2 second out and going directly like this.
4, 1 seconds - I might be wrong but that would make sense at least.

[dark kernel]

Eww thats real low

[spring bough]

why is disc priest tryna run flags in twin peaks

then get mad at me for wanting flag

[potent pivot]

No

It’s still 4->2

[pale sierra]

Totally might be. I just cant get a 2 second cheap shot from any of my testing. So might be bugged then

This is what happens at my second DR at least.

[potent pivot]

If that’s the case then yea has to be an issue

It’s supposed to be full -> half -> immune now

100%

[last jasper]

might just be a dummy bug. it always bugged

[potent pivot]

It’s in arena too

[last jasper]

oh...

[potent pivot]

Checked

[pale sierra]

Thats good to hear, because this seemed abit outrageous

[molten hedge]

I’ve also noticed my second cheap is like as short or shorter than a triple DR cheap used to be. So something’s messed up?

[spring bough]

looks like it... leave it to blizz lmao

[outer sky]

https://outplayed.tv/world-of-warcraft/KZ0v7e

It doesnt seem that way to me

2 cheaps

2nd is def longer than the old 3x DRd one would be

[gleaming sentinel]

rofl

[pale sierra]

man you are lucky asf

we are just hella people with the bug or whatever it is

and you are just able to without a problem

[potent pivot]

Naw

[outer sky]

Trust me this game's given me my share of bullshit lol

[potent pivot]

His is still 1 sec too

[pale sierra]

Did he lie to me

[potent pivot]

He was referring to it being “shorter than the old 3rd DR cheap”

It seems the same as the old 3rd DR cheap to me, ~1sec

When it should be 2sec rn

[outer sky]

idk i just watched an old sub rotation video and my 2nd cheap looks similar in duration to his 2nd rather than 3rd

https://youtube.com/shorts/phqxof13nPQ?si=Q4bgfIl8BP8cNG2Q

not that i'd complain about them extending the stuns

[potent pivot]

Sec

[potent pivot]

They aren’t extending the stuns

[outer sky]

well if its a bug i mean fix it

[potent pivot]

It does look like your clips 2nd cheap in 2sec

Like if I put a timer on

[outer sky]

lol i did the same thing

[potent pivot]

While the old 3rd DR cheap was 100% 1sec

So maybe everyone is just tripping balls

[outer sky]

yeah it halved every time

4>2>1

[potent pivot]

Because the second cheap doesn’t count down with numbers

So they think it’s 1sec

When it’s actually 2

[outer sky]

i think its 2

[potent pivot]

Even the old 2nd DR cheap didn’t show numbers on it but was 2

So everyone is just trippin cheap is fine

Lmao

[pale sierra]

Nah

He is actually just lucky

I can trim my recording it will be exactly 1.00

[potent pivot]

Was it on an orc or paladin

This can’t just fluctuate between players

There’s no getting “lucky” lol

[outer sky]

even orc or pally would make it 1.8s not 1s

[potent pivot]

Yeah but let’s be honest here stranger things have happened

[outer sky]

very true lol

[molten hedge]

No my friend whose an mglad also noticed sometimes the 2nd cheap is so fast you can’t even get a global off

Unless it’s just a nameplate thing with the way it looks

[potent pivot]

It’s possible that people using different addons are seeing different things for sure

[molten hedge]

Yeah that could be it

[potent pivot]

There should really be no way that stuns are differing in length without explanation

[outer sky]

I love how "getting rid of addons" is causing more confusion with addons than before

[potent pivot]

That’s just not how spells work

Either it’s addons, or some other spell/effect causing it to be different at times

[quick condor]

honestly might just be a dummy bug like this here

[hexed blaze]

Does anyone know the section to move combo points to my personal resource display?

Instead of above the enemy nameplate

[gusty hedge]

IDK If ican play 3-4 more weeks of this bs ngl fury war, su,b protpal, devour, disc are just broken not to mention dks cant do anything as law, insta dead no matter what defensives i pop, this shit is real weak

[pale sierra]

Yup - Outlaw is actually just complete trash. As someone said, Outlaw has turned into a brawler, but cant brawl on level with any real brawler spec.

[marble oasis]

Blizz are too busy firefighting the tragic amount of bugs they've put in the game i think

[potent pivot]

Take a break brotha

[noble hedge]

options > combat > personal resource display

[waxen meteor]

Sub seems cool

Sin seems quite soso?

and a bit lack of engergy?

[last jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/hang-first-time-smiles-gif-14991372

[molten hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/its-free-real-sate-gif-7215175

[hazy monolith]

Sensei Class Resource is really cool for this

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/senseiclassresourcebar

[spring bough]

Gone up 300+ rating in solo shuffle in the last week on the outlaw testing it out 😭

[hexed blaze]

was refference to this for example not that i cant see them, but they were overlapping my debuffs on enemies.

went into blizzplates and just changed axis of resources

[hexed blaze]

ive got this on still tabs to totems

[hexed blaze]

tier set is still priority over just conq gear?

[potent pivot]

like in prepatch rn? ye

[hexed blaze]

yea do u give up good statlines for the 10% bonus dmg?

[potent pivot]

you shouldn't no

all 4 stats are good enough rn anyway

[wanton breach]

is the %dmg bonus affected by a pvp modifier? didn't have time to test anything yet

[potent pivot]

not sure

i don't think it matters though

we have so many secondary stats that even 5% is worth really

[potent pivot]

btw you realize this is beyond being a waste, right?

mastery cap is like, 126%?

[grave basin]

https://youtube.com/shorts/oUDmmkw35Kc?si=2TKuF6TCTuaslRTi

New tech...

Blitz bros..

[potent pivot]

.................................................................................

welp we know whats getting nerfed w1

[dark moon]

Ugh, disgusting

[lone jasper]

guys what addon adds combo points on nameplate?

[potent pivot]

betterblizzframes if they fixed it in their recent update

look for nameplate addons if not

[potent pivot]

is there where the combo point option is?

[lone jasper]

maybe im wrong, ill check it

[potent pivot]

iirc its under CVar control

[lone jasper]

its turned on, but not works...

maybe platynator blocks it

[potent pivot]

lol

using multiple nameplate addons may not be the best idea either

[gusty hedge]

i havent done any arena or ss testing as i quit s3 week 2 after dropping from 2k

Dnt think the game has ever felt this bad for me personally during prepatch. One trick pony, I have other classes geared and maxed but none of them interest me in playing them.

Sad to say if nothing changes after midnight im pretty much done with retail. Its been a good ride

[jolly sierra]

midnight right now for me fucked up a lot too

without addons it feels messy af

even more with scaling, its worse compared to another xps imo

[gleaming sentinel]

The underhanded brawler with a cheap shot on a cooldown. Lul

[restive vessel]

fact is they are smol indi company no money for devs and actually don't play their game just throw numbers

[grave basin]

no troll, try windwalker

if youre into leather brawlers

it aint outlaw but idk i guess it's better than fury warrior

[spring bough]

I wonder if blizz devs read disc messages and X cause 90% of the sentiment I’ve seen for midnight is negative. I hope they read it and feel shitty for what they did to the player base

[grave basin]

https://www.reddit.com/r/CompetitiveWoW/comments/1qjk4n7/do_any_of_you_actually_like_the_pruning_that_they/

[spring bough]

More comments than likes not good 😭

[grave basin]

top comment is a title hpal m+er

if i didnt know what his main was it could apply to literally any spec kekw

[restive vessel]

what's up with new dh one shotting ppl

[grave basin]

when you see him meta and cast hunt

cloak

or step his hunt

[spring bough]

lol

[grave basin]

new sub rogue feels like 11.2 frost dk

[spring bough]

New spec it’s gotta be S tier

One of the comments pretty much like “console?…. Nah SMARTPHONE READY” holy fk could u imagine

[gleaming sentinel]

Ivehad a sub since vanilla, first time I'm considering just skipping the expac and doing other things for a bit

[spring bough]

Been here since vanilla too. Skipped some patches on some xpacks. Gonna see how this season 1 goes at least lol

[gleaming sentinel]

its funny, i was like well maybe other things will be fun

but the depth is gone on everything, I actuallu feel like outlwa has kept a good chunk of its rotation

just not the crackshot dance around

[spring bough]

Pretty much everyone that likes it on that Reddit post is playing busted shit like DK and DH lol

[spring bough]

Same rotation just no full refund and no 90% adrenaline uptime…. The builder before BTE doesn’t flow w what we are used to lol

[gleaming sentinel]

only complaint right now is how annoying pressing bladeflurry is over and over lrofl

maybe i switch its binding

demo feels pretty similar

[jolly sierra]

so, did they dumbed up everything?

[spring bough]

World pvp continues today

Bottom of driveway done just for the plow to come by 5 min later and cover it again 😭

[outer sky]

The numbers on my tool tip keep going up

[outer sky]

I sent an email to Al Gore asking if hed come by and help me shovel my driveway

[dark kernel]

Hows Trickster vs Fatebound outlaw coming?

I see a lot more Trickster it seems

[outer sky]

I dont think coins are doing much damage these days

[dark kernel]

Damn hit that hard huh

well

guess we do some more trickster testing

Sub is feeling great

[outer sky]

Yeah sub is good

But the prepatch balance is a meme

So all of this is subject to tuning

[spring bough]

Bro my blower is broken and I couldn’t find a reasonable priced one this last week so I’m shoveling….

I been out here since 7:30am. I think I have a pinched nerve and my rotator cuffs are fucked

[grave basin]

im just passing time with this piss

[outer sky]

I honestly dont even need to shovel. My truck eats through this snow like its not even there

[spring bough]

Tell that to the oil delivery and Amazon trucks 😆

[outer sky]

Well if anything gets mailed to me it goes to my PO box and I use a woodburning stove to heat my house so

[spring bough]

You live in Appalachia bro I’d have all that shit too if I did 😆

[outer sky]

Yeah good ol West Virginia

[spring bough]

Are you near the trails? Crazy to thing about them is you can walk them from NY all way to WV and thru to Georgia 😂

[outer sky]

Kind of

The trails only run through Harper's ferry WV

Thats about a 1.5-2 hour drive east from me

I love my little cabin though ❤️

[spring bough]

Lookin like mine chilling up on a hill lol

[outer sky]

The hill is great. I dont even have gutters because all of the rain just runs down the hill and into the stream anyway

I have this on my property

Great fishing

[lime oar]

little does anyone know bro is just chilling in this lonesome cabin playing wow

[jolly sierra]

beautiful place ngl

[outer sky]

Yeah thanks. I love living here. There are some modern conveniences we give up but it's worth it

[balmy shuttle]

@xmewo ww monk still feels pretty good, too. And RSK hits like a truck now (lets see for how long...). Maybe something you can have fun with.

[spring bough]

Armed to the teeth too 😆

I made the decision I’m buying a ride mower with a snow plow attachment. Bout to be the best $600 I’ll ever spend

[jolly sierra]

ye, one of my goals is living in nature close to town tbh

[verbal field]

apperantly blizz forgot to teach AI how to respawn..? lol

[spring bough]

Did u die in a match or come out dead and die over n over again lol

I got stuck in a 5 minute loop of that the other day

[dark kernel]

So @spring bough Running that short blind talent lets you Kidney+Blind+Dance/Sap a healer every go

It's actually kind of busted

[spring bough]

Shhhhhhhhhh

[dark kernel]

guaranteed free 13 second CC chain every Kidney

[spring bough]

Don’t let blizz know lmao

[dark kernel]

it stays here

[spring bough]

And the fact it aoe applies blackjack

Outlaws is 18 second cool down 😂

[dark kernel]

is it still AOE?

[spring bough]

Yeah it’s aoe

[dark kernel]

on beta it looks single target

oh woird

[spring bough]

20 yard range

[dark kernel]

lmfao

okay

[spring bough]

Tooltip on the talent doesn’t say aoe anymore but it still does. They could take it away with a snap of the fingers lol

[verbal field]

nah the AI died and despawned immediately and all enemies were just gone after

[static holly]

Betterblizzplates under misc. You can show the combo pts on the nameplate. I had set up mine like this

[lone jasper]

tried different ways, but cant... dunno why

its time to get used to this

[static holly]

Sec

Let me boot up and check the settings

[lone jasper]

thank you

[static holly]

It's under betterblizzframes, my bad. But still under misc

Move resource to target frame did that for me

And enable rogue combo points below it

I deleted all add-ons after playing around and just tried it. Still working and showing up on the target nameplate
I may install a few addon before release but they are too buggy right now and to messy for my sake

We have around 36 days till release. Judging the state of add-ons... I don't have much hope for a good reliable solution 😵‍💫

Did peralex BG worked for anyone?

[spring bough]

I officially hate snow and people working from home emailing me for stuff on today of all days

[lone jasper]

For the first few days I didn’t log in at all because I was so lazy and put off by these changes. I logged in last night and again today; I’m constantly in the settings, but so far I haven’t managed to adjust it the way I want. I don’t like anything yet.

[static holly]

Same here. That's why I reverted everything and deleted the add-ons

[lone jasper]

unfortunately still not works.

it has moved to target frame but not on nameplate

[static holly]

Enable aura settings and maybe then? But not sure what aura settings is for. Disable it again

[molten hedge]

I got platy and combo points on nameplates work fine

But I also had BBP before and had them so not sure what issue others are experiencing

[lone jasper]

now this appeared 😄

alright, at last. one step forward xD

[static holly]

Lol

Mine where below the bar

Maybe it's because of any axis settings from plates?

How do you like mine?

[static holly]

At least blizzard keeps the inconsistency consistent

[lone jasper]

BBP addon has a checkbox option, and you can change its position, either move it to the bottom or to the top. That’s it for today, I’m done. I basically spent the whole day at target dummy.
I wrote this yesterday too, and I’m repeating it today: if you’re disabling addons, disable them properly. Right now it feels like addons were “removed,” but at the same time there’s an alternative way for almost everything, it just takes more effort, that’s all.

[static holly]

You mean the settings in bbp/bbf? @lone jasper

[hazy monolith]

Would you guys like me to add player and friendly DRs?

[lone jasper]

In bbp, u can move combo points from bottom to top, ive done it.

[static holly]

I think it's just too unreliable in general. And those are the more popular ones, unbelievable when you consider how buggy and they are

[molten hedge]

Hey have u guys noticed disarm/roots/and silence are like on the same DR? Like silence isn’t even showing but someone told me that

Sounds stupid but I’m curious if anyone noticed

[outer sky]

Newest playnator update fixed the wrong numbers showing for CC duration that we were talking about last night

[spring bough]

Platy superiority >>>>

[lime oar]

yes

[potent pivot]

[outer sky]

@spring bough if in S1 the sub meta is Mastery>Haste I want you to be my witness to me saying so rn and getting ridiculed for it

[spring bough]

Why am I getting pulled into this 😭

[outer sky]

Trickz also laughed at me during the TWW pre patch and during beta when I said to drop Kingsbane for bonespike and flying daggers for sanguine strat

then it was meta

[potent pivot]

You realize this has nothing to do with that right

Don’t even know what the stat cap is ig

[outer sky]

actually you dont. the DRs only affect stats from gear. Sub has a shit ton of baseline mastery that doesnt count towards that cap. Every class has a different amount of mastery they get baseline sub just has a lot

[potent pivot]

[static holly]

@spring bough https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/battlegroundenemiesfixed

[spring bough]

Oh my

Was waiting for the arena core BG one might just have to use this lol

[static holly]

Peralex BG is on curse forge too

[spring bough]

He released it?? Gonna try it later

[static holly]

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/peralex-bg

He's already working on a big update but the pre-release didn't worked for me. I might try the official release tomorrow

[lime oar]

i really don’t think the stats will matter, some people will prefer a truck load of mastery just to cheese up to 1800-2.1, it’s negligible.

[dark moon]

this looks tasty

[gleaming sentinel]

Getting rid of addons only for others to make more is so funny to me man

[outer sky]

Hmm this or BGE...?

[outer sky]

FYI its nerfed in PvP. 2 set is a 1% damage increase and 4 set is a 3% damage increase. Not 6 and 10 like in pve

[ocean thunder]

Isnt item sets like in TWW where they have some special effect? because i see people saying 3-6% or something - is this how the effect translates to dmg or? because i remember specific buffs on abilities

[potent pivot]

wdym, tier sets?

[ocean thunder]

Yeah, is it the same in midnight where there's the pve set and you make it scale for pvp?

with a catalyst charge or something?

[potent pivot]

yeah

especially in the pve channels you will see them referred to as "+X% damage" for each bonuses (2pc/4pc)

[ocean thunder]

Oh, there's pre-patch item sets? i only logged a bit to check the ui, kinda found it pointless before expac.
So there's this pre-patch set that gives flat dmg, but the actual midnight item sets have their own bonuses

[potent pivot]

in pve they have custom coded scripts and sim gear/talents

[potent pivot]

the old tww s3 sets

they were just converted into flat damage for pre patch

and yeah midnight tier set will be normal tier set

hang on

[ocean thunder]

i mean.... 30% extra garrote dmg => 0 * 1,3 = still 0 dps

[molten hedge]

Too early to have an opinion on the sets? Without seeing stats

[potent pivot]

all of these sets are nerfed in pvp by 50 to 66%

[potent pivot]

assa most likely 2pc, sub is 4pc

outlaw idfk

that one depends on ability tuning

[ocean thunder]

why 2p for assa? for poisons? garrote does not do that much dmg now and 15% more won't make it good

[potent pivot]

you can typically run 2pc regardless

there's zero downside

[molten hedge]

Are durations typically nerfed in PvP as well?

[potent pivot]

yes

[molten hedge]

Ahh ok got it

[potent pivot]

the set is just good for once really

and the fact that sub will run a mixture of stats will make it easier to run tier sets

sorta like outlaw has been able to do most of the time in recent seasons

[molten hedge]

Very true

[potent pivot]

if you don't have any downside to run some crit, haste, whatever, then you can freely run w/e set

[ocean thunder]

For the sake of testing it (i rarely play sub) you do kidney -> dance -> SS -> Stech -> SS -> Evisc -> CS -> SS -> evisc? goremaw maybe too? the pinned build did not include it but i have seen it being mentioned ?

[potent pivot]

pretty much

[potent pivot]

ye u can swap veiltouched for goremaw in that build if u want to try it out

[ocean thunder]

I know it depends on haste to change the duration of your dance and the principle is to not press same button twice, but after STech and CS what else can you weave between SS and Evisc?

[potent pivot]

you can also swap around to any of the last 3 talents on the class tree really as well

they all feel very viable rn

[potent pivot]

its not about pressing them twice

its just more variety of spells inside the dance

so in no particular order: strike, evis, sec tech, cheap shot, goremaws

as long as you get them all inside the dance its fine, like pressing strike or evis twice doesn't matter

[ocean thunder]

Oh i see, thanks for explaining

[potent pivot]

apparently airborne irritant is blinding for 3sec in pvp

24 sec CD AoE blind

which also procs blackjacks

[pure crater]

we got any pvp builds for outlaw yet

[potent pivot]

i'm sure if you scroll way way up you'd find some shared around in here, other than that just check murlok for rn ig

[pure crater]

i checked pins, murlok seems uhh not great

[potent pivot]

yeah murlok is usually pretty bad until like a month into the season

ill see if i can find a build from someone reliable

[potent pivot]

CQQA6i6ki8tqEZF+5XBKpc8wuCgZwMGzgZzMzYGPgZbbmZmZbaZwyMAAAAAgxyYGzMzYmxMzAAAAAjZAY2mNjZGNzsxsxipFWYAwMzYA

pretty sure this is what trill was trying out ?

[molten hedge]

Yea some cool stuff you can do with it I think with or against some comps

[potent pivot]

yea

its supposed to be 1sec duration in pvp

if it stays 3sec its kinda broken

[outer sky]

Mastery sub is disgusting

[pure crater]

thanks ill give it a shot

ill see if its like what i cooked up

[molten hedge]

Oh is it supposed to be 1 only? Didn’t know that

[potent pivot]

iirc yea

[foggy echo]

Hello, I’m not a rogue player yet but I’ve been playing a ton of bgs in classic recently and I wanted to ask

Tier 1 set and tier 3 set seem to have insane bonuses

But tier 2 seems pretty meh

But why does everyone use t2?

[potent pivot]

we don't discuss classic here

check the pins in #classic-discussion for classic servers, and you can also google Simonizeshow's discord

[foggy echo]

Oh my bad, I just searched “wow classic rogue discord”

[potent pivot]

yeah np, happens all the time

[foggy echo]

Sry for the inconvenience:P have a good day

[potent pivot]

no worries and you as well

[outer sky]

If anyone wants to watch this absolute clown fiesta of a shuffle lobby I just 6-0'd lmfao

[pure crater]

your priest getting eaten by that dk

at the start

[outer sky]

yeah but then I ate him

[pure crater]

its a dk eat priest rogue eat dk world

[undone hamlet]

"certainly i wont get to do that for a 3rd time" goes hard

[sharp sierra]

Something about pressing disarm against all these new sub rogues during their shadow step is like a massive dopamine hit

9/10 if I see a shadow step I can reasonably guess I’m about to be bursted lol

[outer sky]

Oh yeah, this is DEFINITELY the sub build to be playing. With Shadowcraft and Goremaws you dont need vigor/tea so you can take subterfuge and 2x vanish

[ocean thunder]

@outer sky curious, shouldnt you be spending dance and burst more often to force the trinket? I see you aimed for no trinket burst smoke win condition (which i have experienced first hand many times). It looked like you tried too hard to keep all your CDs for that opportunity. Could keep blades and commit dance & tech 1-2 times to make sure trinket is forced? The CD is small
No offence

[outer sky]

yeah if you have to

like in games 5 and 6

like they made the same mistake over and over again so I was pretty sure theyd keep making it

once i realized they figured it out i started sending

[ocean thunder]

It was awkward seeing you sap 2 times and my mind expected the 3rd that never came.
It was also annoying to wait for no trinket only to have the monk aoe stun everyone close.
At least smaller DR makes it a smaller wait - I remember how annoying it is to play sub and have people constantly stun DR with small stuns

[outer sky]

yeah that leg sweep pissed me off

i get why he did it though

was a triple sweep opportunity

[potent pivot]

[potent pivot]

Try AA if you’re shuffling btw

[outer sky]

I quit drinking like a year ago but yeah i know what you mean with these shuffle lobbies rn

[potent pivot]

Bro, the talent AA

aoe blind

[dark kernel]

GG Boys Im stuck to a mount I have to use.

[outer sky]

shouldnt that be AI?

[potent pivot]

Ye

[ocean thunder]

i've seen that, where is it

[potent pivot]

Choice node with gouge

[ocean thunder]

Yeah but wowhead shows 80% CD and duration and not aoe

I do remember seeing the aoe thing somewhere..

[scarlet nest]

it's tied to AA for some reason

just doesn't tell us that

[potent pivot]

was aoe blind before

with different cd/duration reductions

now its 80/80

[outer sky]

FYI Trickster sub chads this talent is NOT actually reducing sectecs CD which means its trash and you should take something else instead

[waxen meteor]

I am officially blind

I literally cannot tell pally has bubbled in many fights

[potent pivot]

unseen blade stuff is still nice

[outer sky]

I think this is better though

[potent pivot]

i don't think so but i can double check rq

ds guarantees more every time you cast tech, flashing lowers the cd by 5sec right

so 2 extra every ~20sec VS 1 every 15 (+25% proc of 1 extra)

i think its close but DS is more procs overall ?

[potent pivot]

Ye unless I’m tripping DS is 6ppm and Flashing is only 5ppm on average

[outer sky]

ok well they still need to fix it

[potent pivot]

Ye I agree ofc

It’s in our bug list

[static holly]

I did not try any of them. Idk

[outer sky]

@potent pivot is there any reason why sectec as trickster would hit harder than sectec as deathstalker? It seems like it does but i cant figure out why

[potent pivot]

fazed?

[outer sky]

8%?

[potent pivot]

deathstalker is all about evis really

trickster is about coup/tech

[outer sky]

yeah the evisc's hit harder as DS but sectec still pops a mark stack

[potent pivot]

trickster gives more raw % dmg that isn't affixed to evis

well deathstalker also has linger/symbolic etc

nope those don't effect tech either

i do think deathstalker will still be good this season

IF they fix it

because they're definitely going to tune down builders/sec tech and buff evis

[wanton breach]

[potent pivot]

It’s a pretty big issue for PvE too, but yeah

[molten hedge]

Ya I think it’s the 8% fazed plus the 3% of the other fazed talent

[outer sky]

its 8% total

[molten hedge]

Oh is it 5% before u take that talent

[outer sky]

ye

[molten hedge]

Also I played into u twice tn I think u were arcane rsham

[outer sky]

were you the surv hunter team

[molten hedge]

No sub devourer. It was some randoms from a disc I’m in. You guys all trinketed the opener one game and my pala didn’t bop me I should’ve just trinketed

[outer sky]

oh the 1st game you guys beat us i lagged out for like 30 straight seconds in the beginning

otherwise we'd of farmed you

[molten hedge]

Yeah i think we killed you behind a pillar

[outer sky]

then the 2nd game you guys just all died without pressing anything

[molten hedge]

I’m sure bro the dev DH has never played 3s

He was tripping

[outer sky]

Imagine waking up every single day and being as dumb as this ele shaman is
https://outplayed.tv/world-of-warcraft/Olm2d5

[outer sky]

I love how thats the state of the game right now. That guy has never played 3s before and he queued it up tonight and just one shot Bajheera lol

[restive vessel]

gloomblade should have been new dot since rupture removal

[grave basin]

wow

do you have schimitar?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3HD6QtydBU

man really reminiscing what we lost

so many interesting perks of being a CP class just gone

different openers and finishers

OG prep

😔

[spring bough]

Is that the same as the legendary mount from back in the day?

Bout to do professions to get it 😆

[grave basin]

it's the bug mount

legendary mount is black, that one is blue

[grave basin]

actually a good idea with nothing to do for 1 month

im getting my SL one then im gonna try and get schimitar from archeology

[lone jasper]

when i started playing wow, there was a guy Grim. he was like Idol for me. how i miss that time

and also a site - warcraftmovies.com, where all movies were uploaded

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWNt_8xcOZw ❤️

goosebumps

[sterile field]

god i miss that era

I used to live on that website (and googlevideos before it), every day someone would upload a banger of a vid ❤️

[dark kernel]

nope

[dark moon]

turns out dev dh doesnt have pvp scaling/templates atm

thats why they 2 shotting people

kek to the w

[lone jasper]

Is there a sheep logo in trickster talents? 🤣

Whats that?

[potent pivot]

no

its from an icon override in the gamefiles

that's one of the only ways to choose your own dr icon atm

that is the icon that is supposed to be there

[lone jasper]

Ah, I see. Unfortunately, I don’t really understand that many details or how to make changes; I thought I had spotted an add-on bug :)))

[potent pivot]

[lone jasper]

Guys, when do use it on goremaw build? That build is too new for me, never tried it in rotation

[short fable]

is there a tbc channel too?

[potent pivot]

there's classic discord servers linked in the pins of #classic-discussion and you can also google Simonizeshow's discord

[potent pivot]

just in place of shadowstrike

[lone jasper]

So at the start of the opener?

[potent pivot]

strike as first builder

goremaw whenever after that just to replace a strike

[lime oar]

finally had time to hop on and try sub for a bit

are we deleting big debuffs addon or does it still function

all i have rn is sarena reloaded, betterblizzframes, and platynator i think

[potent pivot]

betterblizzplates should keep getting updated

big debuffs is dead i think ye

[jaunty osprey]

Good morning

Going to log on today for the first time since season ended

Anything in particular people wanted to test?

Or are people still looking for prepatch builds?

[lime oar]

i mean there’s been a lot of back and forth in here about haste vs big mastery stacking on sub.

i don’t think assa is even worth messing with rn

[lime oar]

but there’s some builds in the pins

[spring bough]

GL setting addons up 😢

[dark kernel]

I wish you didn't mention this....now I'm tempted to keep farming the Scimitar....

[jaunty osprey]

Dont really use addons anyway

so my UI should be ok

[gleaming sentinel]

Arch?

[static holly]

Has anyone already figured out a good solid default UI and cooldown management so far?
I'm still unsure how to optimize and get a good overview without disturbing stuff

[lime oar]

i literally put all of that untracked.

just look at ur bars

unless u mean enemy/friendly cd’s

[static holly]

I had the same opinion on that but wasn't sure if I maybe oversee something important but glad to hear this

I will try to figure out something till release. Nothing really to do right now

Does peralex BG or battlegroundenemies provide something meaningful and does it work? Had not time to test it yet

@spring bough did you test them?

[spring bough]

Haven’t had the time to try the add on yet

[potent pivot]

Both should be relatively the same thing

[static holly]

Pbg at least has cap timers, there are some differences

But it's not available as he has to fix the code 🤣

Timers are nice but not having the same frames for our team already kills it for me

[gusty hedge]

bgenemiesfix works like old one just about

[spring bough]

https://x.com/luckyone961/status/2016231456977154134?s=46&t=YKaisWqFkCTf8y-DfuEaHw

Luckyone (@Luckyone961)

Blizzard announced improvements to the aura filter API for tomorrows beta build!
Filter for CROWD_CONTROL
Filter for BIG_DEFENSIVE
Filter to just show dispellable auras
Filter for "raid flagged" auras in combat (this one means mostly just Hots and Shields, no more bloat)

X · Jan 27, 2026, 7:26 PM

Crowd control you say?? Hmmmmmm

[vernal hawk]

Hey I play human in pvp and was wondering if I still use medallion or if I go sigil of adaptation. Is there a way to get relentless or is that just gone?

[potent pivot]

Medallion

Or double dps trinket if u want to try and cheese, not “meta” though

You are talking about retail right

[vernal hawk]

yes

[vernal hawk]

Then do humans just suck? Medallion still puts will to survive on a 1:30 timer, only a 30 second difference from the 2 minute you get on medallion

[potent pivot]

I wouldn’t say suck

They’re fine

[spring bough]

Double dps trinkets 🔥

And a lil more secondary stats too

[potent pivot]

30 sec can be big

[outer sky]

yeah you have to swap between double dps trinkets and regular trinket depending on the comp. So like into RMP or Jungle you gotta play regular trinket but into something like Thunder you can probably get away with double dps trinket

[lime oar]

they made sub so stupid simple that i’m psyching myself out thinking im doing it wrong

[potent pivot]

[vernal hawk]

Yeah I wanted to try sub for the first time going into midnight but that was before the changes. I am trying out outlaw and it seems fun, though apparently far less so than before? Idk

[severe solstice]

Hi everyone, just getting to try new talents today. Looking at sub changes, do we just sent Sectech first no matter what talents we use? Or what was the reason we Evis first before Sectech? 😅 played sin most of tww

[outer sky]

i actually think sub feels fine. I didn't realize how bloated and unnecessary symbols of death actually was. Plus, i used to hate sectec because it didnt do much damage compared to evisc. It was a button youd press to buff evisc which felt like shit having to press it when you were trying to kill someone in a stun lock. But now that it cranks, it feels good. I think sectec needs to always do a good bit more damage per combo point than evisc otherwise it ruins the rotation

[abstract stratus]

@jaunty osprey assassination looks rough as hell ngl

[potent pivot]

[outer sky]

assa is the squishy warrior spec

[abstract stratus]

With zero dam lmao

[outer sky]

yeah its awful

[jaunty osprey]

W

that just means in season 2 or 3

we'll be buffed

[abstract stratus]

Lmfao I fucking hope so

[jaunty osprey]

it's always better to go into season 1

undertuned

[potent pivot]

Sub gets gutted: “oh it feels fine because big number during prepatch”

[jaunty osprey]

cause they keep giving aura buffs

it's historically a fact

you dont want to be in the spotlight during prepatch/beginning of the tier

[dark kernel]

Do any of you have like a casual gold farm that isnt ass thats doable while semi working?

Thats not flipping, like actually killing or gathering

[potent pivot]

Afk rare mob spawns

Is the lowest effort thing

[jaunty osprey]

professions are really good

at the start of each xpac

[dark kernel]

any particular ones valuable? Im doing archaeology and selling stuff. It's not bad gold/hour for half ass

[potent pivot]

There’s guides on YT that you can find I’m sure

I think it’s mostly for transmogs to sell

[dark kernel]

yeah ill give it a whirl

I just have always wondered, if there are decent farms that are like 15k-20K gold an hour

Like I wouldn't mind just mindlessly grindin git

[potent pivot]

Just depends how much attention you can pay it

20k/hr is typically the minimum for a lot of gold farms

They fucked up all the old world mob drop tables again

With the level squish

So a lot of really good farms are worthless rn

[outer sky]

Its not fun anymore though. Numbers aside. I Vanish and I get 1 cheap shot if its off CD like thats such bullshit

[jaunty osprey]

assa has never been fun though

it was the easy to play spec

W key

[outer sky]

I thought it was fun

Not being able to control anything feels terrible

for outlaw too

same complaint

[jaunty osprey]

yeah but the control spec is sub now

not every spec and class

should play the same

and that's exactly what they're trying to achieve

just wait for the numbers buff and im sure you'll think it's fun

[outer sky]

ah yes so lets add 2 more warrior specs thatll fix it

the 3 rogue specs actually played remarkably differently compared to how most other classes dps specs played

[jaunty osprey]

all 3 rogue specs, press vanish and were able to CC the entire team

now they're making sub be the control spec

just wait for the numbers tuning that happens

during RWF

[outer sky]

theyre the same class theyre supposed to do some things similarly.

[jaunty osprey]

so devourer dh

and havoc dh

[outer sky]

but how they played and how they killed were so different

[jaunty osprey]

are the same class

demo lock and aff lock are the same class

demo lock can spam fear

aff lock cant

cause it insta breaks to air

i can list so many examples

survival hunter does consistent damage and is melee

mm hunter does burst and is max range

[outer sky]

so if sub is the "control spec" then what does assa do?

[outer sky]

so damage

based on tuning

W key warrior spec in leather at best

great design

probs same with outlaw

[lime oar]

i think assa will get tuned and we’ll be playing it similarly to before. bleeding someone and kidney bomb, kingsbane+envenoms for the kill

[severe solstice]

Don't they historically always make sure for sin to be relevant minimum for raiding

[potent pivot]

It’s been viable in all content for the past 3 expansions

[vale steppe]

is stat prio same as before?

[abstract stratus]

I like the idea of ct spreading cheap that would be kinda funny design

[potent pivot]

no

[vale steppe]

what we go for?

[potent pivot]

sub?

[vale steppe]

ye

[potent pivot]

haste to ~30% > vers to ~35, the rest crit/mastery

prepatch values atm

doesn't need to be super exact

[vale steppe]

Ty bro!

[hazy monolith]

hi guys so I'm working on the dr addon again to allow more different displays. I think some here wanted to see the drs on the target and/or focus frame, right? For enemies, there is only one option: either/or. so would you like to see target frame drs INSTEAD of nameplate drs or arena frame drs?

you kinda have to choose between nameplate or arena frames or target/focus frames

[potent pivot]

target+focus or no

?

that'd be fine if so

[abstract stratus]

I just wish the icons made sense lmfao

[potent pivot]

ik ppl that use that

or prefer it

[abstract stratus]

Has anyone tried out beta sin rogue with the third apex talent

Does it work well

[potent pivot]

there's one where u have to let ur envenom buff fall off

or cancelaura it

l0l

[abstract stratus]

Oh who designed that shit

Does the kingsbane interaction do anything neat or useful on that third point tho

[outer sky]

no

[potent pivot]

The 5 strikes one?

[abstract stratus]

Yea like what does that even mean in context

[potent pivot]

It builds up your KB stacks quicker and does dmg

[abstract stratus]

That’s it

Boring

[potent pivot]

Also gives combo points

[abstract stratus]

Gonna go shove a fork in the outlet

[potent pivot]

Idk I think it’s cool

KBs dot ticks will ramp faster and u get free points

[ocean thunder]

Waaait, i pressing KB to get 5cp to spend on evisc without having to press 2-3 mutilates to envenom again is huge for me

[outer sky]

the problem is on beta it takes more than a global to build the combo points. So either you kingsbane with near full points so you can envenom immediately after and waste some of the points it generates, or you kingsbane with low combo points but you have to sit on a global to wait for it to build up to max for your envenom

[ocean thunder]

You can do enven -> KB -> envenom and you have 6cp on the 2nd envenom which is gonna be your burst

[outer sky]

you still have to hold it for a bit

[potent pivot]

The entire playstyle is built on this type of gameplay so

[ocean thunder]

It says 5 times over a second, which is how long the GCD is, right?

[potent pivot]

That’s perfectly fine

[outer sky]

idk i just know on beta i have to sit on it

[ocean thunder]

yeah, i belive you

Still i saw the PVE parses today and assa was close to the bottom, which means that we might get some buffs.
On the other hand, sub was closer to the top so they might think "ok rogue has some ok specs, let them play sub"

[potent pivot]

Ha

[outer sky]

Blizzard doesnt like it when sub is meta

they have a very specific mindset

they want us playing outlaw in M+, Assa in raid and arena, and sub in BGs or in very niche comps

[potent pivot]

Ha

Hahahahaha

[ocean thunder]

I dont fully agree on sub, it has been the dominant spec on coordinated play - there have been exceptions but still...

[outer sky]

its useful as a stun bot for an OP caster thats it

if its ever more than that it gets nuked from space

[potent pivot]

Outlaw m+ is a hilarious take on what blizzard wants

[outer sky]

???????????

[ocean thunder]

Sure, because sub on skilled hands is 10 times better than one normal hands

[outer sky]

I havent played keys in a long time but in BFA and DF Outlaw was the meta spec by far. If another spec got close outlaw quicly gapped it

[potent pivot]

They want everything to be “viable” in all content. And for the most part they’ve done a decent job at that for a few years now. They don’t care about the top 1% in anything

[potent pivot]

Outlaw has been considered utter dogshit in m+ in most seasons since then (by the top 1%)

[outer sky]

so this xpac?

[potent pivot]

That just made me laugh

[potent pivot]

No since bfa

[outer sky]

nah it was meta in DF

[potent pivot]

Because Zac would prolly blow a fuse reading that

[potent pivot]

At the end of like 1 season

When it was sorta op

[outer sky]

S3 for sure becuase thats the last time I pushed

[potent pivot]

@open thunder

[jaunty osprey]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/play-wow-for-15-minutes-to-earn-the-portable-bakery-backpiece-via-discord-quests-380134?utm_source=discord-webhook

!!!!!

[open thunder]

it was meta in one season in df

every other season it was utter dog and we played sub

also dont ping me in the pvp channel bro trickz

[gusty hedge]

chicken coop now we get bakery back piece

[outer sky]

was that 1 season season 3?

[open thunder]

i dont pvp

season 3

df ye

[outer sky]

because i only did keys in BFA and in DF s3 and every single one of those seasons was an outlaw meta

[open thunder]

i mean ye if you have played one season since bfa

and it happens to be s3 df

[jaunty osprey]

@wooden spire hi

[potent pivot]

u do pvp I seen it ! can’t lie to me

[open thunder]

outlaw been op forever then

xdd

[open thunder]

💀

cant wait to do some pvp in midnight

with no addons !

[potent pivot]

I was there

[outer sky]

i actually stopped doing keys because i was sick of playing outlaw after M+ in bfa. Then in DF i was like "ehh i'll give keys another try" and that was s3 and im like "oh, i see nothing has changed" then quit again.

[open thunder]

lot changed

outlaw hasnt really been good for a while

it was good in s3 df and s2 tww (kinda not really)

thats about it

[outer sky]

and in DF S3 it was the most boring iteration of outlaw

with KiR

[open thunder]

if you say so bro

[outer sky]

if your tank ever stopped pulling youd be global starved for days

[potent pivot]

💀

[open thunder]

💀

[potent pivot]

💀💀💀

[outer sky]

i think you guys are remembering the wrong season. That was an extremely common complaint. "Yeah this build is great just never die, wipe, or stop pulling for more than a second or you cant play the game anymore"

[potent pivot]

Nah lol

[open thunder]

thats just cause it was hard to play

but that wasnt true at all

[potent pivot]

A lot of people loved it

[outer sky]

I thought it was because you wouldnt take vigor with that build so if you ever died or didnt have globals to spend to reset ADR for too long it would be extremely slow

[open thunder]

it was just hard to pla y

noobs maybe didnt like it as much cause they couldnt play it

it is how it is tho

dont be a noob and you will do good no cap

[outer sky]

how does that make your energy regen faster

[open thunder]

well if you are better you get more uptime on everything and you also are more efficient with your energy

wdym

[outer sky]

I said it you have too much downtime between pulls, die, or wipe. which isnt always in your control

then ADR drops and you dont have vigor to compensate

i dont really see how your skill level changes your energy regen or the CD of ADR thats weird

[open thunder]

you keep adr in between pulls when you steatlh so idk how that is even relevant

[outer sky]

because youre not resetting its CD

if youre not spending combo point

s

so you could run out during a pull and still have some CD left on it

Outlaw has this passive

called Restless Blades

so when you spend Combo Points it reduces the remaining CD of a bunch of your shit proportinately to how many combo points were spent

its been nerfed a bunch

[open thunder]

ah ok i didnt know

sorry

my bad

[gilded gulch]

zac the snd spam abuser

[open thunder]

funny thing about that

the bug got fixed toward the end of the season

and we didnt lose any damage

always been irrelevant

always will be

[gilded gulch]

[open thunder]

(bug is still in the game)

(in midnight)

[outer sky]

theres bugs I reported on the TWW beta that are still in the game on the Midnight beta

[open thunder]

like what

[gilded gulch]

but ye kir had to be builder efficient

ho was

yeet proc

[outer sky]

like singular focus spam putting us in combat

[open thunder]

i mean if you watned to play kir you just had to not be a noob thats it

[gilded gulch]

yep

[outer sky]

or not being able to drop combat when you have the fire breath DoT on you from an evoker

[gilded gulch]

i mean you keep ar frozen between packs

[open thunder]

ye but there is this passive

called restless blades

you might not know about it

[outer sky]

Its a well kept secret

[open thunder]

you do realize its irrelevant right

if adr is frozen when in between packs right

[outer sky]

...

[open thunder]

you dont ?

[outer sky]

Ok lets say you pop ADR

its half way done

you die

[open thunder]

dont die

we are talking abotu in between packs here

[outer sky]

youve never died in a key?

[open thunder]

any spec that die loses damage

thats not a relevant conversation

[outer sky]

some are worse than others

[open thunder]

outalw wasnt one of them

[outer sky]

are you like top 10 world to just say youll never die

[open thunder]

well

[potent pivot]

💀

[open thunder]

idk if i tell you my rank then this conversation is one sided

its not as fun then

[quick condor]

The pvp chat turned PvE

[open thunder]

but again tho

if you die you lose damage

with any spec

outlaw was not even the worse

and if you die on cd you have more things to worry about

[outer sky]

but most of them arent dependent on a single buff to facilitate their rotation

[open thunder]

bro listen

there was a lot of things to complain about back then

but these specific arguments

it was just skill issue

there was the people that could play kir

and the people that couldnt

and they just played the other build then

that did almost the same damage and was easier

the argument that there is "external factors" not letting you play the build

always was null

[outer sky]

i never said that

[open thunder]

deaths were irreelvant

unless you died 20 times a key

and then whatever bro yes it sucks

dont die 20 times a key

dont die every pack

[outer sky]

there was nobody who "couldnt" play it once you got to like the top 5% of the ladder. But it felt slower and more boring to play, and suffered more from external factors than the other build. That was my complaint.

not that it was unplayable

[open thunder]

its litteraly the fastest build we ever had tho so idk what you mean

very much was the opposite from slow and boring

people complained it was too fast maybe

not too slow lol

we played a different game maybe idk

It did suffer more from external factors tho sure, mostly prolonged downtime

But that's mostly a raid thing

[outer sky]

it was fast with ADR but i'd never have 100% up time on ADR and when it inevitably dropped it felt like shit

[open thunder]

I mean you had like 90% tho

[spring bough]

Zac what u doing in here why is there so much to read lmao

[outer sky]

i said Blizzard prefers Outlaw to be meta for M+

[spring bough]

Thought I was in the wrong channel for a second lol

[outer sky]

apparently the 5 seasons I did keys were all just coincidentally outlaw metas

[lime oar]

is zicore arguing with someone new tn

[open thunder]

Idk I got pinged

[spring bough]

Damn I see you trickz 👀

[open thunder]

Now I have to engage in this conversation

[quick condor]

apparently they are arguing about how outlaw was played 5 years ago
just PVE blah blah blah

[potent pivot]

[gilded gulch]

tbf its a preseaaon

not even

[open thunder]

Guys

[gilded gulch]

wtf is there to do in prepatch

[open thunder]

If you didn't want PvE in your channel

Talk to your mod