pvp

[molten hedge]

ohh dang how times have changed KEK

yea

[potent pivot]

The only finisher that really does dmg rn is sec tech

[outer sky]

i guess we run 4 set now as every spec since its just a flat damage increase?

[potent pivot]

You want to juice builders

[molten hedge]

ayyyoo

[outer sky]

is there a way to make playnator show class colors for the nameplate bars?

[molten hedge]

ik u said CT not worth for assa

but my friend told me u can get combo pt even if u dont hit something rn

lol

[potent pivot]

Poison knife

Isn’t worth pressing ct for that lol

[molten hedge]

yea i think he just meant going for a re and farming combo points

he's a cheeser

[potent pivot]

It uses so much energy

[molten hedge]

lol

[spring bough]

Born gamer

[outer sky]

does sub still use badge?

[last jasper]

so it only shows power bars when u turn on the basic PRB? @potent pivot

[potent pivot]

Ye

[last jasper]

oh, wait a sec. its not from patynator

[potent pivot]

Not sure I haven’t really fiddled with platy myself yet

[last jasper]

its from BBP

cuz the one that u can turn in ptynator are aweful

[molten hedge]

so that build u pinned doesnt play goremaws. i thought u mentioned replicating not worth @potent pivot

[potent pivot]

I’m not 100% sure on replicating because it depends on clone damage

[molten hedge]

yea hard to track atm

[potent pivot]

You can swap in goremaws though

Or not it’s up to you

It gives another macabre hit and does some ok dmg

I’m pretty sure Cheaps damage is from clone damage though so replicating seems okay too

[outer sky]

this is the most amount of haste I can get with conq gear running 4 set as sub

oh i need to change my cloak gem

[spring bough]

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/pvpqtimer

Interesting que timer

Never occurred to me u could pause solo shuffle que…. Time to never miss one on a bathroom break 😂

[molten hedge]

A lot of ppl just join a follower dungeon

[spring bough]

That’s what it does lol

[molten hedge]

oh ok

[gleaming sentinel]

bro i cant stand fucking with my ui man

why is the caster bar ontop of the target frame

[dark kernel]

see big patches are why i started running minimal shit

after a few gos in TBC/Wrath having to replace EVERYTHING

[gleaming sentinel]

i run blizz ui, and they changed their nameplates

so im trying different ones and i hate verythign and im logging out

[dark kernel]

lmfao

[outer sky]

@potent pivot howre these stats for sub?

[outer sky]

bro the fight hasnt even started yet and my teammate is fucking dead

[spring bough]

Just pack it in for the xpack already 😭

[dark kernel]

killed himself when he saw the matchup

lel

[spring bough]

DK and hunt aent nothin. Mopped em up

[dark kernel]

this build is pump, I dont care what anyone says

the fast dance, the fast Secret Tech, the Unseen Blade 2x reset every 20 seconds on tech

lots, and lots o f damage

[outer sky]

wtf did they get rid of the setting that makes Tab only target players??????????????

because they killed the addon for it

[dark kernel]

dont think so?

[outer sky]

i cant find it

[sharp sierra]

Isn’t that a default option I’m confused

[outer sky]

no

im tabbing to pets

and i cant turn it off

Also can i get class colors for Playnator?

[spring bough]

It should be in the blizzard settings

Key binds I believe it’s under

[spring bough]

Yeah pretty sure

[outer sky]

I see no option for it

[outer sky]

how?

[spring bough]

Huh swore it was in there. Did they really change it? 😭

[outer sky]

This is SO bricked omg

[spring bough]

Should be in the settings

Just gotta play around w it there’s a lot of customization on it lol

[fading blade]

Does anyone know an add on besides BBF that uses “sappable”? I have a different unit frame but I wanna use it instead of BBF for now lol

[potent pivot]

There’s a sap addon

[fading blade]

Does it still work?

Dammit let me roll outta bed i think about pvp too much

[potent pivot]

No idea mane

[fading blade]

Ah it’s out of date for a few years so doubt it

[potent pivot]

There’s a base setting for it and also an addon “tabtargetfix”

[outer sky]

Tab target fix doesnt work anymore I tried it

Its "incompatible"

Thats what ive been using

And I cant find the base setting for it anywhere in the options panel

[gleaming pawn]

not sure if you got your answer, but it's "Target Nearest Enemy Player" 6th from the top in the first image

[outer sky]

Tyty

They used to have it so that you could set it to only target players when in instanced pvp and nearest enemy when not

Which is way better

Because now I have to change that bind every time

[gleaming pawn]

can't remember if there was a WA, or if it was an Addon

but there used to be an auto solution for it

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/target-nearest-enemy-in-pvp

in theory this works, just have to update the .TOC file to have the 12.0 versions

[outer sky]

Does this still work? The other one i used to use for this doesnt

[gleaming pawn]

Blizzard is no longer loading out of date addons even with the checkbox checked, so yours might still work it's just old

goto your _retail > Interface > AddOns > addon name folder

find the .toc file

make the top line look something like this

# Interface: 120001, 120000, 110200, 110107, 50500, 40402, 30404, 20504, 11507

the 120001, 120000 is the important part

then save it, and reload your game

[fading blade]

Ima have to try this with the sappable add on

[gleaming pawn]

sorry Discord auto formatted the # #, do it without the space between them

[grave basin]

so is sarena our only option

is there a way to get rid of the cast bars?

i dont see the setting

[gleaming pawn]

is Bicmex not going to do a fork of Gladius? He usually does

[grave basin]

he said not anytime soon

[spring bough]

Bros gotta stop raging about SV first 😂

[spring bough]

That or arena core

[grave basin]

is it updated

[gleaming pawn]

I'm not bothering with arena stuff atm, so I guess I'm good with just waiting for season 1 to start which by then Gladius should be re-done

[spring bough]

It is

[spring bough]

#nochanges

[grave basin]

holy

[spring bough]

Yeah lol

[grave basin]

OMG

im saved

#UNFAIRADVANTAGE

what is this bro

holy faq

[dark kernel]

i just installed this

im liking it over sArena

[grave basin]

i can see why

[spring bough]

Liking it? Lol

[grave basin]

need to actually use it in arena first

to test

queueing for skirm

[dark kernel]

I am really, really loving sub

also you can cloak the Devour DH one shot

fuck that noise

[grave basin]

how fucked am i

for sub

[potent pivot]

very

[grave basin]

[spring bough]

What are those stats

[grave basin]

ok atleast this works

[grave basin]

4set sub from tww

[spring bough]

104 sheesh

[potent pivot]

i don't really like the look of arenacore

but if it works it works

[gleaming pawn]

crazy that the blackout feature of arenacore exists, goes against the entire ethos of the addon changes

[potent pivot]

what does it do exactly

[gleaming pawn]

#pvp message

[potent pivot]

yes i read it

i want to see it tho

[gleaming pawn]

oh lol, you'd have to get Aizley to record something

[potent pivot]

there's also one issue with that

[gleaming pawn]

@grave basin

[potent pivot]

that shouldn't even work rn

it can't read the combatlog

[gleaming pawn]

would be nice if it was just leftover blurbs from before the update

but yeah, if it works everyone will be running it until the forums complain

[grave basin]

cant tell

sv hunter just one shot me

and queues takes like20mins

[potent pivot]

May as well get 2% more haste for this here if that’s pvp scaled

[potent pivot]

I need to see exact breakpoints for extra globals

I did the math but the tooltip is jank af

Math says 22-23% haste should be 8 globals in dance but the tooltip does not

[grave basin]

One side of me wants to try out recrafting my stuff to hit 25% haste

The other side cba prepatch

Let outlaw use dagger MH you cowards

[outer sky]

good fucking God look at what this guy just did to me

https://outplayed.tv/world-of-warcraft/PlV7y4

[sharp sierra]

been trying to regear mine from the sin. The amount of mastery......

getting close tho

[potent pivot]

this is already decent enough tbh

[sharp sierra]

i got knocked out of the map

and it wont let me log back in

[potent pivot]

lole rekt

[sharp sierra]

man its a rare horde rbg win too im kinda pissed

[potent pivot]

do a character unstuck thingy?

[sharp sierra]

everytime i load in it sends me back to the login screen

[potent pivot]

there's a way to do it through your bnet isn't there

[sharp sierra]

never done this

thank god

[outer sky]

Wow sub feels great right now

[sharp sierra]

yeah ive been blown up by some

[potent pivot]

W

[potent pivot]

Apparently not

Nvm

Prepatch is prepatch

Was watching trimaz run games on beta a bit ago

He made it seem like it was bad

[true warren]

i still had dance and symbols bound without a macro but i rarely used it because symbols was either on CD or the extra burst would've been wasted

[potent pivot]

yea it was just nice to have the option to send even more supercharger charges in 1 dance

definitely got to nuke quite a few people with that

[true warren]

/cancelaura Shadow Dance
/cast Shadow Dance

might find some nieche usage

[gusty hedge]

they should've kept supercharged linked to rtb imo, 1 supercharger every 1- 1.5min is wild when sub can dominate with multi uses

on top of that, jackpot rolls/5 rolls are less now then they were before prepatch, get more 1 rolls and double than anything

[grave basin]

Wait rtb doesnt trigger supercharger?

Is it on ar?

[stoic spruce]

It is

[pale shuttle]

So we play sub now? Assa feels weird and weak now 😄

[potent pivot]

It’s prepatch

[marble oasis]

Any idea what the actual stat rating required for optimal haste is for sub currently? just trying to figure out what bits to swap

[potent pivot]

Not exact numbers atm no. Either ~22% or ~30%

[marble oasis]

ok no probs 😄 i'll aim for them!

[hidden mirage]

...its alpha, its beta, its prepatch, its first week, its 2nd season, 3rd season finally, its alpha...

[potent pivot]

......?

[hidden mirage]

didn't get the blizzard joke ? 😄

[wanton breach]

just your average MM shuffle lobby

[marble oasis]

Damn trying to get rid of this mastery is rough.
Maint because my server is dead and recrafts are nonexistent 🤣

[dark kernel]

That is the worst shit I be ever heard

Supercharger on AR makes that talent dead to me

I didn't even know that

And since Outlaw lost so much tankiness, I guess we'll run double vanish just for the self heal

[wanton breach]

putting supercharged cp on big cds feels so awful

[dark kernel]

Right now outlaw is looking mucho dead

[wanton breach]

for all specs

[dark kernel]

Yeah and right now supercharger sub is full gas pedal

[gleaming sentinel]

I know balancing will be all over the place in prepatch but man I can’t help but notice how bad the game feels. I can barely tell what can be kicked, sometimes my interrupts don’t even work. My ui randomly breaks sometimes. Nameplates are actual trash idk man this might be the worst patch ive ever played. Call me an annoying doomer I guess

[proud folio]

Unless assa and outlaw are busted tanky both are dead. 1 min CD on cheap shot is fried

[wanton breach]

maybe in 3 to 6 months things might be better

I wouldn't blame anyone for taking a break until mid s1 of midnight

[dark kernel]

I started playing some actual threes last night and I really didn't feel so bad in game

[gleaming sentinel]

I’m really tired of putting so much of my time into a game that just changes all the things I like about it every major patch

[dark kernel]

Getting used to the new name plates is a little bit, and not being able to track DR is just an annoyance I try to just make sure I'm switching targets enough to not double Cc or waste stuff

[gleaming sentinel]

I don’t want to play another spec, I don’t want to fucking download a bunch of addons to make the ui usable. Rofl

Alight I’m done

[lone jasper]

I’m not a pro, but I clearly remember that during the TWW expansion pre-patch there were a lot of angry people. I still have a positive expectation though, a lot will change in a month, and we’ll go back to enjoying the game again. we should never expect perfection. After all, this is Blizzard, people have been training for this level of disappointments for over 20 years. 😂

[ocean thunder]

About Assa, it's prepatch i hear you, but I also hear Supa saying it's bad on beta too..

[hidden mirage]

Because assa is bad even with apex, mythic gear and 4set. Probably good in Mythic+, but mid in raids and terrible in pvp all thanks to the shitty design of energy economy.

[gusty hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-no-gif-18692714

[restive vessel]

Is 2 charges of cheapshot something new now?

[gusty hedge]

yeah and its sub only

[restive vessel]

Sucks

Can’t make a go and cs someone else then return and cs same target again unless you pop another dance

[gleaming sentinel]

This is feeling pretty good

get a big roll, prep adr slam btes

[dark kernel]

I like this, but I REALLY don't know if the 5% stronger dice talent is worth

[gusty hedge]

did they fix the bug on 2nd row in hero tree?
i was testing a similar build on the right tree but swapped bte cd for killing spree

[gleaming sentinel]

yea maybe not

[dark kernel]

Yeah...the 5 seconds off bte is a weird talent for a capstone

That's another question for me still

Like we can use it one whole finisher faster

Which synergizes with Zero In

[gleaming sentinel]

im just testing it out

[dark kernel]

So maybe

I did too

[gleaming sentinel]

but more btes is good

[dark kernel]

I'm just saying I don't know how to feel yet

[gleaming sentinel]

spree just feels like dogshit

[dark kernel]

Also agree

Val was pretty lamenting about outlaw that unless the spec gets serious changes it's not going to be a viable option

[stoic spruce]

It def is I promise

Especially the jackpot

[gusty hedge]

it does, i use it only for the double ks/prep

[dark kernel]

What's our current dice roll strat? Roll for 3 buff or Jackpot?

[stoic spruce]

Reroll off 1, 2 and higher keep

[dark kernel]

That's what I figured and have been doing

[stoic spruce]

1 and 2 are your most important

[gleaming sentinel]

yea i dont care about that, im goingto play it

just trying to find waht makes my buttons feel good to press

[grave basin]

Does killing spree still not have prio dam

[gleaming sentinel]

nope

[stoic spruce]

Nope:D

[gusty hedge]

😂

[grave basin]

Blizzard is smoking some strong crack

Sc on Ar is so fried

And KS still does piss dam cleaving 100 pets

[stoic spruce]

KS is pve talent now

Something else pvers took from us

[gleaming sentinel]

for pvp double vanish and vigor is a must imo

[stoic spruce]

(They don't want it either)

[grave basin]

Is crit omega good now for outlaw

Like stack it up to 50%

Cause of all the bte modifiers

[stoic spruce]

Probably not

Oh those no

[gusty hedge]

ngl im liking my haste mastery rogue rn

[stoic spruce]

Pve and pvp use different stats now

Sorry

[grave basin]

What does pve prio

Haste crit?

[stoic spruce]

Yeah

[grave basin]

Why cant you prio that for pvp

[stoic spruce]

Crit is nerfed

[hazy monolith]

playing nahjs sub build rn feels good

[gleaming sentinel]

kinda think fast action gets dropped for keep it rolling

when you get a good roll you do big dam

[stoic spruce]

And bte crit talent is still nerfed

[grave basin]

Didnt they zero out all these auras

[stoic spruce]

You'd think they would but no

[grave basin]

Sucks to not be mage/ret ig

[hazy monolith]

CUQA6i6ki8tqEZF+5XBKpc8wuCgZ2mBAAAAAmtZmZZiZZZMmZMDmZGzsMmtZMzssMMYmxAmxAAAAwgBmlZMbzwYhBzsNtQLzCjBzAMG @ornate quiver

[stoic spruce]

Preach

[grave basin]

I mean no rotten?

[dark kernel]

What's the modifier on the 3x bte crit talent in pvp? 2x

[grave basin]

In this economy?

[dark kernel]

This is uh....

[vocal surge]

Been running Supercharger + Prep and its been popping

[dark kernel]

But with supercharger on AR now that would be terrible?

Compared to RTB

[vocal surge]

While it is bad

[grave basin]

I feel like that only works cause games end in 1min

[vocal surge]

Think about it like this

[grave basin]

On beta where games go into omegadamp 90%

[vocal surge]

You pick up the 15% or 20% AR damage increase ye?

[grave basin]

Prep loses so much value

[vocal surge]

Then when you pop AR

Thats +15% - 20% on finishers

Ontop of adding +3 more combo points to your finisher

[stoic spruce]

This is probably our best bet for kill pressure tbh

If we're tuned badly

[dark kernel]

Yeah. I do see supercharger as the ONLY DPS option I just wonder with how much defensives outlaw lost if 2 vanish is really that bad

[vocal surge]

Supercharger's an additional 43% damage on finisher

Stack that with Gravedigger (Apex) at max lvl with 45% chance for 2 charges per BTE hit

And Lucky Coin Head Coins stacked

The potential is there for some GIGA damage

[gleaming sentinel]

show build

[stoic spruce]

Outlaw in general is tuned rather decently

[dark kernel]

This is what we're missing

Now I agree with you

[gusty hedge]

i been testing this on mastery rogue swaping between Fast Action and Dragon Bone Dice

[stoic spruce]

Jackpot is a 15% dps increase btw

With dragon bone

[hazy monolith]

whats uh

[stoic spruce]

Unholy

Duh

[grave basin]

Fully expecting UH to be nuked

1 week before season starts

As is tradition

[stoic spruce]

As is tradition

[grave basin]

Also fully expecting outlaw to have a 0.1% shuffle play rate

[stoic spruce]

As is tradition

[grave basin]

As is tradition

[dark moon]

I hate dampening

[grave basin]

Non tbc played hands typed this post

Play war rdru vs war rdru for 45mins and trust me

[vocal surge]

Gimme a sec to get home

[grave basin]

Youll be a dampening enjoyer

[gleaming sentinel]

https://tenor.com/view/emperor-star-wars-good-goooooood-evil-gif-12447951

[jagged quiver]

Guys, anyone have a real build for outlaw? we're doomed?

[gleaming sentinel]

already got a 15% aura buff

[gusty hedge]

maybe if they swap capstones and change some talents around we will have something decent

[dark kernel]

Your running deathstalker and finality but then ignoring dark brew which boosts all your other talent choices and hero talents

There's just a little wonk in there

[spring bough]

Ty Mr. Solo

[stoic spruce]

You're welcome

[gleaming sentinel]

kinda wonder if dragonbone + kir and you just fish for the jackpot then supercharge pop pop pop

[spring bough]

Fast action seems pretty bad ngl

[gleaming sentinel]

yea, especially when its almost up and you get a proc lol

[spring bough]

It’s like the talent saves one global. In the grand scheme of it all idk how effective that is

[vocal surge]

Something like this

At Max Level (90)

[spring bough]

Yaaaaasssssssss

[stoic spruce]

Bro has 2 ace

[vocal surge]

tbh, how many points you want on Ace is up to you

[stoic spruce]

I figured

[vocal surge]

1 or 2 doesn't really matter

[spring bough]

Yeah that’s prob the only thing I’d move lol

[stoic spruce]

I just thought it was funny

[spring bough]

1/2 ace and pickup ruthlessness

Golden

Brawler build right there can’t wait

[vocal surge]

I'd experiment first before going Ruthlessness

if I recall, we overcap combo points easily

[spring bough]

Gimme all the CPs

[dark moon]

That's where you're wrong. Played those, but hate dampening. Quick bursty game for the win

[stoic spruce]

Because you run 2 ace and fatebound lol

[spring bough]

I’m taking Zac’s approach to 2 ace. Never touching it lol

[stoic spruce]

I mean it's not even Zacs approach

You gotta build regardless

[spring bough]

1/2 gives the reset

Yeah

[vocal surge]

This is the build im running on Retail

rn lol

[spring bough]

I’m picturing outlaw meltdown if they ever update 1/2 to not reset and only 2/2 resets

[stoic spruce]

That'd lowkey be a better alternative

If

Hear me out

[spring bough]

Pretty much what I was doing but sleight into 1/2 ace

[gusty hedge]

nice triple dice gang

[spring bough]

No

[stoic spruce]

1 ace was like bfa where it does what 2 ace does now but not reset the CD, and 2 ace is the good unnerfed ace and resets cooldown.

[gusty hedge]

😭

[spring bough]

They should just make the talent 1 point and 4 cp with reset. And they should also make HH a 1 point talent and just 20%

[vocal surge]

Also

[spring bough]

Passive outlaw back 🔥

[vocal surge]

we got 2 different ways to build our stats

Vers/Haste/Mastery

drop Zero-In in favor of KIR

[spring bough]

MG probably gonna be good in pvp

[vocal surge]

or Vers/Haste/Crit for Zero-in

[spring bough]

Dropping zero in though

Would change the pathing to FTH

And you’d have to go 2 ace and grand melee 😭

[vocal surge]

Ye

[spring bough]

I’m thinking after I hit the haste req for 0.8s global on ADR rest of my stats gonna be mostly mastery and verse ofc

MG feeling like it’s gonna be strong

[stoic spruce]

I'm gonna feelycraft

Aka, hella haste and mastery

And some vers obv

[spring bough]

Just get permission first before you touchy feely

[stoic spruce]

Lol

[gleaming sentinel]

not sure i can play wihtout double vanish

[gusty hedge]

forgot to change improved ambush to tight spender xD

[gleaming sentinel]

pvp may be in the state it is but at least the HOUSING ENDEAVOR JUMP PUZZLE IS GOOD

[grave basin]

pve is also turbo scuffed

only 1 button enjoyers that struggled in tier 8 delves are having fun rn

[grave basin]

https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/1qkje8c/i_dont_know_what_everyone_is_complaining_about/

[gleaming sentinel]

The most frustrating thing about all of this is they clearly have a great team that is capable of amazing things (housing)

and yet

....

[grave basin]

housing team and UI team are completely different

https://www.reddit.com/r/CompetitiveWoW/comments/1qjk4n7/do_any_of_you_actually_like_the_pruning_that_they/

this is a 1k reply thread from the competitive pve side

also might be a hot take

i feel like people here are hyping up sub rogue is only cause it's doing good dam

design wise it's extremely snooze

as soon as damage slows down and sec tec isnt doing 60% of a leather wearers hp

[dark moon]

You know what I realized couple of days ago. Housing is enjoyed by many, but it's literally using assets in the game that the devs are using to build the world. So they just gave us access to play with.

[grave basin]

people will start calling out sub for being a braindead fury warrior clone with stuns

[dark moon]

All classes are alike now, so..

[gleaming sentinel]

its almost like, simple shit is good

[dark moon]

Who would've thought

[vocal surge]

We technically use fresher assets than the devs

[stoic spruce]

Yeah it's the literal gaming definition of a sandbox

[vocal surge]

The devs love to recycle super out of date models still

If you pay attention, you'll start to see em everywhere

[stoic spruce]

I care less about models and assets and more in how they're implemented

Personally

Like using trashcans in gmod to make a garbage chute

It's just 2 garbage cans but if you're good, no one would know.

That's a very specific example but still

[dark moon]

Not all, but ye

Makes me wonder why they waited 15+ years to implement it

[stoic spruce]

I imagine technological limitations of the engine at the time

[dark moon]

Now fix gameplay to have more meaningful buttons, no bloat in last titsn and pvp templates and we are gucci

[vocal surge]

Probably short on manpower considering how rushed things are from Blizz

Which is still an issue rn with how many bugs came out with Prepatch

[dark moon]

Yeah, quality dropped recent expacks

[vocal surge]

Nagrand from outland

XD

[calm roost]

went 0 6 after first shuffle in a few month, i probably dont know how to play anymore on top of the changes but I was doing less damage than the healer, i was in greens can it be the difference in stats ? also stat numbers seemed very low what happened

[dark moon]

everything is so bursty atm, people dying in 2-3 globals from full hp, but you gotta be more specific -class/spec?

[stoic spruce]

I don't blame blizz for wod

I blame activision

[vocal surge]

Outland, not WoD xD

There's an untextured spot in Nagrand

[stoic spruce]

Ah

Well nagrand is in wod too

[dark kernel]

Y'all miss oil man?

[dark moon]

i miss woundman, neilyo, reckful and many more

[dark kernel]

Woundman still autistically posts on twitter about only coffee

[spring bough]

Can we bring back blades edge arena for solo shuffle in midnight

Best map of all time

[gleaming sentinel]

bring back real bigdebuffs and gladius first tanks

[calm roost]

I play sub rogue, the healer beating me at damage was void disc I believe

[dark moon]

weird, sub is owning form what ive heard

[calm roost]

Even in full greens against full decked anything ? Maybe I’m just shit ye

[dark moon]

aaah, maybe not in full greens

[strange trellis]

Our Shadowstrikes are hitting really hard so focusing on talents that benefit it is recommended. There is a talent build in the pinned comments that should be of great help for Sub Rogues

[gusty hedge]

A sub rogue hit me with sec tech or something like that x4-5 20k a hit and almost killed me in 1 sec lol

[vocal surge]

This devourer really tried to cheese me

before the duel

stacks 50 souls before the fight starts

and I beat him still

[dull tinsel]

https://youtube.com/shorts/qGxn0iXj540?feature=share

[dark kernel]

Cloaking the devourer cheese is just an immaculate feeling

[vocal surge]

Ye

Man got his meta so fast

because he started with 50

instead of 25 - 35

35's the limit before I consider it cheese/cheating in duel

because in arenas, you can collect 10 souls from 25 before doors open

and he complained I took no damage xD

[mortal lantern]

Do we go for sarena reloaded or sarena updated 2 by sammers?

[dark kernel]

Reloaded or Arena Core

I'm liking Arena Core a lot better this time

[outer sky]

As sub right now, can I dance, double cheap shot, then vanish and get another cheap shot?

[dark kernel]

No, but if you use the cheap shot from stealth first and pop dance it immediately refreshes another one

So you always want to use your first non-dance cheap shot because every time you press dance it refreshes another one, and it doesn't interrupt it the current cheap shot charge cooling down

Sub actually has a ridiculous amount of crowd control right now

[outer sky]

Nah if you dance with cheap shot off CD it just gives you 2 charges of cheap shot

[dark kernel]

Yeah but If all your CS are on CD it instantly gives a charge and keeps the cool down rolling where it was

And with a 20 second dance

[outer sky]

Yeah unless assa or outlaw get absolutely broken by tuning i dont see us ever not playing sub

[dark kernel]

Same

But...it feels like home

I'm actually pretty happy if Outlaw looks good and gets some love then all the better

People bitched about not having shadowlands outlaw well here's your answer

It's kind of like shadowlands just worse

[outer sky]

@dark kernel I dropped out of college to sell guns for a living so bare with me. How is pressing cheap>dance>cheap any more optimal than dance>cheap>cheap?

[dark kernel]

I don't think it is. I mean theoretically there's no difference in global cooldown with dance.

I think really, the risk you're running is using dance before you stun a first Target and this being dependent on if you're using a cheap on both DPS to cross so you don't get cc'd on dance

This is all really circumstantial kind of discussion. I don't think there's one answer

What I found myself doing some last night is using Kidney on healer, mashing meld stealth to stun off DPS with CS, then using dance CS on kill Target to not be interrupted on go

Just to not be stopped on the go window, and not having to press dance to cross CC

[outer sky]

Oh okay you were talking about cooldown time optimization

Thats where you lost me

[dark kernel]

In organized play I don't think this is even fully necessary, because your team can cover

[gleaming pawn]

@outer sky did you get your keybind swap addon working editing the .toc file? Just curious

[quaint cedar]

So is honor gear like completely useless or something? I used my honor from the last time I played to buy the honor set and then tried some skirms and I'm dying in like 2 seconds and do 0 damage to other players

[gusty hedge]

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/myslot

this works still if ur looking for binds/setup
copies binds/skills (if selected)

[dark kernel]

Yeah, you can still earn conquest and buy conquest gear

Honor gear is super piss

[quaint cedar]

Yeah, I'm working on crate farming rn

Just wasn't expecting honor gear to be such ass lol

I wonder if you still get the free weapon from getting 2500 conquest or whatever it was

I haven't gotten the crafting tokens yet either

[dark kernel]

I'm pretty sure the token quest is inactive because the season is officially over, but you can still buy heraldries if you really wanted

[quaint cedar]

That makes sense

So far I'm glad we don't have to use vanish for damage anymore but I really hope outlaw gets some kind of unique utility at some point

There's really no reason to play it unless it does way more damage than the other 2 specs

[dark kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/mood-smile-kanye-west-fake-smile-gif-17201197

[gleaming sentinel]

here's a crazy reason: it's fun

unheard of in 2026

playing for a good time

[quaint cedar]

lol

Don't get me wrong, I'm going to play it anyways

Just feels bad to not have something to make us stand out, that's all

[gleaming sentinel]

we have a tumbleweed animation now wdym

[quaint cedar]

So are we cowboys or pirates

[gleaming sentinel]

cowboy pirate

[stone sapphire]

New player here, Gearing right now is the same as 11.2? Even tho its midnight now. Just get conquest gear?

[potent pivot]

@hazy monolith @ornate quiver pretty sure that Nahj build is no good

[potent pivot]

Yea. You’ll also be able to just buy new green gear once the new season starts.

The problem is just deathstalker

I’d be very surprised if Nahj is recommending it yeah

[dark kernel]

Val was playing it too but I think he's just....not testing anything else yet

Like Kalvish played sub for a bit now and he hasn't even tried any haste, even on beta

I think they just don't want to mess with Trickster because they ultimately think no matter what Deathstalker will be used once bugs are fixed

[marble oasis]

sub pvp feels pretty insane right now. 20sec dance is actually making my head spin

Defo need platynator though just for the stun debuff timer. really stupid default ui can't seem to do that :<

[potent pivot]

the pve guys don't seem to expect that it will get changed

i'm not sure we can even call it a 'bug' exactly, so much as just a byproduct of the Mark changes

[dark kernel]

So, Val was also trying to tell me that it may not be as bugged but I truthfully don't know if his info is right so I'm not going to mess with it until we get better info.

Yeah

I think it's just a sit tight and don't over think things moment

Too much to change

[potent pivot]

it just depends what all can clear it

like pally can clear it i'm 95% positive and then you can never reapply

[dark kernel]

And see that's my knowledge as well. But he was saying that wasn't the case

[potent pivot]

so maybe it will work VS comps that you know can't clear it, but rn thats what it hinges on

[dark kernel]

Idk

I just need to boot deathstalker and duel a paladin

Or mage

[potent pivot]

i think it has to be done in an instance

if its just a duel and you drop combat you should be able to reapply i think

but it acts differently in instances like

if your group wipes in a dungeon, you can't reapply until waiting out 1 minute or something

[dark kernel]

Oh now that's super weird

Okay wargames

I can do that

[potent pivot]

paladin raid boss clears it for the entire fight because you never drop combat in the fight

so in an arena if it gets cleared

either you can't reapply for 1 minute+dropping combat

[dark kernel]

Yeah you and I are operating with the same information. It's just other people have seem to say it may not be the case

So I want to test it for myself so I can clarify for us

Rather than just speculate

[potent pivot]

ye

didn't nahj test it

on beta

[dark kernel]

Yeah he's the one who was testing it on Beta which is where the bug fixing apparently occurred

At least some bug fixing not all

[dark kernel]

There's a guy in Whaazz discord trying Sub at 80% haste...

I told him I felt that was....a bit much

[potent pivot]

XD

[gleaming sentinel]

[potent pivot]

That’s ridiculous yea

[dark kernel]

That was his logic, that you get so many secret technique procs that every dance is like with Sblades full CP

And I was like bro....I'm having the same benefit with 30%

I can't imagine how the character animation would be

You remember wc3 when you get like insanely fast attack speed and your character just hits once but it's like 50 attacks in one?

[gleaming sentinel]

We need someone to try full haste mastery outlaw

[river pollen]

Man ngl as someone who was worried about changes cus i didnt try out the beta

Its insanely fun

Just hope they can fix the cooldown manager thing for smokebomb cus it doesnt work

Ive just gone back to subterfuge and 2 vanish build, prolly not optimal but i like the play-style more

Oh theres a build in the pins imma try that ty notrickz as always

[fathom moss]

I’ve tried 60%, limitless combo points/ energy but 0 damage. Character looks like he’s having a stroke

[sterile sleet]

hows outlaw doing in pre patch?

[dark kernel]

LMFAO

https://tenor.com/view/dungeon-soup-barbarian-my-blade-toothpick-counting-gif-16583791260767166150

[fathom moss]

That’s actually me with the hot poker

[stoic spruce]

Pretty good actually

[sterile sleet]

ty

[hazy monolith]

I’m not a rogue nor sub expert i just kill things and make things slow

[dark moon]

nalaa is streaming sub shuffle on beta if you guys are interested in watching

[dark moon]

have you watched the 10 hour version?

[dark kernel]

I have not

[dark moon]

misssing out

[fallen wharf]

So Sub is Trickster now according to the pin - anyone have a decent new burst opener?

[potent pivot]

Sub has like 2 buttons now

There’s no way we’re still asking for openers

[strange trellis]

The opener is pointy end goes into the target

serious answer though is to use Shadow Blades on cooldown, Shadowdance for the extra damage on Shadowstrike and use Secret Techniques when its up

[sharp sierra]

on outlaw what do you guys swap disarm for when against casters?

[molten hedge]

Can you check my rotation?? Shadowstrike > Black Powder > Badge > Shuriken Storm > Eviscerate > Goremaws > Poison Knife > Dance > Blades > Vanish x2 > Cheap

[dark kernel]

Perfect

Sending to Nahj and the council of Rogues

[molten hedge]

Pls don’t give my tech to the cabal

[strange trellis]

I wish they gave Shadowstrike the teleport during Shadow Dance

[quaint cedar]

All these changes are messing with me bad

I keep vanishing for no reason

Then getting confused and thinking I'm lagging when I can't cheap shot something because it's on CD

[potent pivot]

Are you using the cd manager at all

[quaint cedar]

Yeah

It really sucks compared to WA tho

Trying to get used to it

[potent pivot]

Yeah it’s still kinda simple

But it does have a lot more customization than it did at first

[potent pivot]

I think u can make a progress bar for the cooldown and then put it somewhere visible

[quaint cedar]

Yeah I made progress bars for stuff like AR and RtB and BF

[potent pivot]

I’m only going to use the bars for stuns/defensives

And the regular cd icons for rotational stuff

[quaint cedar]

I wish you could customize the stuff better

[potent pivot]

I’m sure we’ll get visual customization eventually

[quaint cedar]

With WA I had different colors for my progress bars so it was really easy to see which one was up

[potent pivot]

If blizzard doesn’t make it someone will create an addon

Since they are just UI elements that isn’t impossible

[quaint cedar]

lol yup

I just don't feel like any of this was ready

They should have waited

Took me a while to get nameplates that were usable...and I still had to use an addon for it

And the damage meter is garbage

[potent pivot]

They said they are going to walk back some restrictions as needed

The meter is garbage yeah that’s one thing I can agree with lol

[quaint cedar]

Yeah hopefully they polish some of this up soon

I don't have a problem with the idea of cutting out addons, especially WA, but I think the execution was poor

[potent pivot]

The only major issue I see atm

Is that they need to create a default omniCD

They can’t allow addons to do it because they’d have to be able to see the combatlog

[gusty hedge]

#pvp message

just need to find a proper build

[gleaming pawn]

Devil’s advocate, people could just comms better instead

[potent pivot]

One word:

Shuffle

[gleaming pawn]

Eh blizzard doesn’t treat shuffle seriously, just yolo it

[potent pivot]

Nah

[gleaming pawn]

And surely making the UI simpler will push people back into 3s, right guys?

Less coggy load will make that mode easier to play in

[spring bough]

Maybe that’s why they made elite 2300 now 😭

[gleaming pawn]

*this is heaping in sarcasm btw

[spring bough]

Try and get more glads idk

[gleaming pawn]

I mean, it is. Not enough normal people are pvping let alone pushing as high as possible. So they lowered it to make it a little more accessible so it’s not just only the gladiator streamers getting it

[spring bough]

Yeah ima do more 3s this time around. ESP cause the mount is 🔥

[gleaming pawn]

the mount is the only reason I might be able to convince my friends to do 3s this season

[spring bough]

Double outlaw void disc

Straight brawling 3s

Constant pressure. People gonna fold

[potent pivot]

Glad is about to be free as fuck

I think the 2.3 drop will increase participation a bit

So 50 wins above 2.3 should be very easy

[gleaming pawn]

It definitely has the potential to. But I think it’ll depend on balance. If it’s as bad as it has been for years, people will give up on 3s in a heartbeat

No one is going to want to deal with wizards and devour DH running over everyone else

[potent pivot]

Well

It’s a season 1 and has all these new changes

Participation will def be up

For s1 at least

[hazy monolith]

Someone wrote a PvP guide to the one shot Devourer build

[potent pivot]

If a very particular sequence of buttons gives you a different outcome I can understand wanting to know the order of said sequence

But like

At least for rogue rn, that just doesn’t really exist

You can do some decent stuff with sub but the rotation is so self explanatory now if you’ve ever played sub before

[gleaming pawn]

People needing even the simplest stuff spoon fed to them will never not boggle my mind. They could also look at the pve side, and just add in cheap shots where appropriate

[hazy monolith]

I’d say dev is more trivial than sub

[hazy monolith]

This

[gusty hedge]

still in some greens tho but haste mastery leaning more on mastery, x2 mast/vers rings x1 haste/vers

[potent pivot]

Which dev lul

Prolly both tbh

We gotta start calling them deva and devo

[gleaming sentinel]

[gusty hedge]

[spring bough]

Sooo 31% mastery ✅

[gleaming sentinel]

Stonks

[stoic spruce]

My favorite part about outlaw now

Is that

The rotation explains itself

[gleaming sentinel]

whos trying to run a trickster kiling spree gaming

[stoic spruce]

Ew

[stoic stratus]

am I the only one that likes it how autos do something now lol

[stoic spruce]

It's very oldschool

[gleaming sentinel]

I'm just thappy outlaw is fun

[spring bough]

@vocal surge is

[stoic spruce]

I'm happy about both

[spring bough]

Sinister sinister fan the hammer BTE rinse repeat

[gleaming sentinel]

this is all i can picturee

[spring bough]

Dispatch on BTE cooldown. What else even is there

[stoic spruce]

That's all I want out of outlaw

[spring bough]

Besides CDs

[stoic spruce]

What else do you need?

[spring bough]

F running KS

[gusty hedge]

meme build

[spring bough]

Fate bound all S1 baby

[gleaming sentinel]

giga

[potent pivot]

[spring bough]

I love it. Autos always been a core part of rogue lol

Throw all the hate idc

[potent pivot]

I like being able to control my damage

With buttens

[spring bough]

The faster u attack the more autos I guess u get to control that with SND and haste n such lol

[potent pivot]

Meh

[stoic stratus]

mmm build those shadowy technique stacks

[spring bough]

Trickster gets the extra attack speed with snd pretty clutch

[stoic spruce]

CD specs I get tbh

But like outlaw and fury

Nice

[spring bough]

The weapon masters

[potent pivot]

I hate fury autos even more ngl

Being dependent on autos for fury

[spring bough]

Fury’s wish they were outlaw

[stoic spruce]

Now you're just being a hater

[gleaming sentinel]

gonna try it

[stoic spruce]

Fake boomer alert

[potent pivot]

???

[stoic spruce]

!!!

I said it

No typos

[potent pivot]

I’ve just never liked it

[stoic spruce]

Well fury never liked you

:[

[potent pivot]

The only iteration I’ve liked is subs

Shadow tech is aight

Shadowcraft in TWW was hot

[gleaming sentinel]

its also nice having bladerush

[spring bough]

Inb4 end of S1 when trickz is loving outlaw the best

[gleaming sentinel]

what a cool spell, wish it geenerated a combo tho

[potent pivot]

Full 7 point procs

[potent pivot]

Highly doubt it ngl

[stoic spruce]

I still don't like 7cp

[spring bough]

Inc glad S1 outlaw trickz

[stoic spruce]

Outlaw feels so much better with 6cp

[spring bough]

Just don’t finish at 5 or it’s poop

Get the sweet spot lol

6-7

[potent pivot]

Atm it’s definitely looking like i will be on sub or another class altogether for glad

[spring bough]

“Or another class” okay S tier devourer

[dark kernel]

I will prep rogue/war/hunt

[gleaming sentinel]

deadly pursuit also

[potent pivot]

I’ll prep rogue/dh/idk

In that order

[gleaming sentinel]

2 rogues and prob demo

[fathom moss]

1 rogue I don’t have it in me to play anything else

Although the new dh 1 shot seems hilarious

Might have to branch out for the first time in 7 yrs

[strange trellis]

little late to the earlier addon discussion but Ive been a tad disappointed with the damage meter so far. I know they're going to reiterate on it but right now it feels kinda useless... also really hope someone figures out how to reactivate those killshot addons. Ive seen some updated but they still dont work

[strange trellis]

DK? Even after the nerfs Unholy still has a really powerful go

[potent pivot]

I don’t really like unholy

[potent pivot]

The what addons?

[strange trellis]

The ones that activates on a killing blow

makes neurons in my head go brrr

[potent pivot]

Oh like the gunshot shit etc?

[strange trellis]

usually they have killing streak announcements from Unreal Tournament

[potent pivot]

Lol

[strange trellis]

I love those so much, they add so much to my pvp experience LOL

[potent pivot]

[gusty hedge]

Advanced interface options updated

[spring bough]

🔍

[gusty hedge]

normal screenshot wouldnt work xD had to print screen crop /copy paste 😭

[fathom moss]

Yeah they’re gonna nerf the crit/Ss build into the ground

I will enjoy every last drop until they do though

[balmy mirage]

Trickster Rotten build is big also

DS with dark brew (is that still the talents name?) is big too

[potent pivot]

DS just has issues atm afaik

[balmy mirage]

but in this game state if they nerf rogue they will accidently make hungering slash radius 60% bigger and bug out the LFG screen and also accidently delete fireball from mages

game is a bugged mess rn

[potent pivot]

They will nerf builder damage and “forget” to buff finishers

[balmy mirage]

DS just weirdly has some parts of it that still work*

Hotfix: fixed an unintended bug where Deathstalker’s Mark was being properly applied sometimes

[potent pivot]

We need confirmation on the mark bug

Because if you can never reapply your mark the tree is useless vs a lot of shit

[dark kernel]

Who had that addon that puts arrows over your team

[molten hedge]

if i play DS, what kinda out of pvp stats are we lookin at? @potent pivot

[spring bough]

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/sadfriendlymarkers
this one?

[potent pivot]

Same shit

[molten hedge]

oh ok

[dark kernel]

bingo

[potent pivot]

Betterblizz does that

[molten hedge]

same build? @potent pivot (aside from hero tree)

[dark kernel]

i know but I dont have that addon and I dont really want to have to set up an array of things

I keep my shit real minimal

[potent pivot]

No idea, probably a bit more finisher talents

[dark kernel]

if he gets it back to a one button position i might consider it

[potent pivot]

You don’t have to set up an array of things

Can just turn all the other stuff off ig

[dark kernel]

sigh

[potent pivot]

But yeh

[dark kernel]

im not installing it man

[dark kernel]

I really only install addons one at a time if I feel I found a need

[potent pivot]

Idc what you do lol

Was just trying to answer your question

[dark kernel]

gotcha

I dont like new finality

since it's ONLY crit damage

and not as Shadow

[potent pivot]

The one that he linked just looks sketch

400 downloads

[dark kernel]

oh the shadow damage is the other talent

[dark kernel]

yeah well the guy made it yesterday and just posted it on reddit lol

[potent pivot]

Sweepyboops also used to have those

Idk if they’re updating theirs though

[potent pivot]

Yeah I’m hella sus of addons from randoms

Always have been lol

[spring bough]

I got it from some R1 monk off twitter

Mysticallx

[dark kernel]

U know what offseason is time 4?

TIme to go back to farming archaeology AQ mount

https://tenor.com/view/sad-probpem-frustasi-brokenhearted-coffee-gif-9178915679395298962

[gleaming sentinel]

It’s time for logging out, god damn everything just feels bad I hate it

I’m trying not to but it’s terrible

[spring bough]

The guy that made arena core making a BG one too

[gusty hedge]

it really is ! about to ko for work then back on in the AM

[gleaming sentinel]

lol, we’re gonna need more addons than we had before

[potent pivot]

It’s all fucking AI I cba

[grave basin]

Arenacore has this

[gusty hedge]

i just asked chat gpt to create an addon

[grave basin]

You need friendly plates enabled

[spring bough]

“Chat gpt make a weak aura type addon for midnight”

[potent pivot]

[gusty hedge]

idk but it sent alot of bs 🤣

[gleaming sentinel]

ChatGPT take me back to tww s1

[potent pivot]

Are there any addons that reskin the CDM yet

Like the progress bars n shit

[grave basin]

Nows a good time for mount farming

Or if you didnt get the tww meta mount

[tulip thunder]

yea ds into pally is just no bueno

[dark kernel]

these guys

Deserve IRL pain

[lime oar]

guys the games fine

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-fine-this-is-fine-dog-meme-fire-burning-house-gif-13166008774957631306

[tulip thunder]

the mark def works in open world but anything instanced its just gg can't be reapplied

[potent pivot]

Ye afaik this is the situation

[grave basin]

How do you see shit with your bars at opposite ends of the screen

I mean frames

[hazy monolith]

Im working on this problem atm but it’s not trivial might be unsolvable

[dark kernel]

my bars arent on the screen

do you mean my team frames to the arena frame?

you scan your eyes in an Arc

to see the playing field

so Prot Paladin/DemoLock is not okay

[tulip thunder]

just feels straight useless if you queue into something that can remove it but the ds defensive nodes/utility feel so good sigh

[potent pivot]

What all can remove it

It’s such a weird debuff

Ik pally

Prolly mage

DH maybe

If they play nether

Hmm

[tulip thunder]

dk does if they run null magic ams

[grave basin]

Ye

[dark kernel]

I just have it set up like most people tbh

It took getting used to

[gusty hedge]

yeah keeps getting blocked by blizzard

time to crash

[hazy monolith]

Your gpt tries to filter the combat log which doesn’t work anymore it’s knowledge is outdated

We have a tray for the DR icons which Blizz delivers now but it can only be displayed on Blizzard assets and likely only on certain ones but im still working through the new Blizz UI code

Maybe there’s a hacky way

I hate that WoW arena logs is dead

Such a goated tool

[gilded gulch]

I really like how people obssess over mogging tfury now with the dagger change

meanwhile im running around with 2x https://www.wowhead.com/item=65667/shovel-of-mercy

[spring bough]

Trolling w the shovel

[sharp sierra]

how often are you getting bte procs? feels like i hardly get them

also anything in your build i could drop for KS? Think i need the extra burst lol

[spring bough]

I don’t really have anything to track it but it feels quite frequent. Verm had like 9 straight the other day lol

[sharp sierra]

wtf

[spring bough]

1/2 summarily dispatched to KS

[sharp sierra]

bet thanks

[spring bough]

Supercharger over CB is good too

Big BTEs

[sharp sierra]

ill try it out tomorrow and see how it is. So far the brusier flat damage is fun just not sure why im not getting hardly any BTE procs

[spring bough]

RNG always fun 🤷‍♂️

[sharp sierra]

Lmao true one last question

During BTE procs lets say if it refunds only 4 back is it worth it to use the pistol procs or do i just spam BTE over and over i notice its a super small window to add in some SS or pistol procs

[spring bough]

Still want to build. Don’t want to finish below 6 unless it’s a dispatch can do those at 5 sometimes

[grave basin]

man i just realised blades got nerfed

to only give 2x cp instead of full cp

[fathom moss]

I think it’s bugged rn too doesn’t even give bonus combo points

[grave basin]

[dark kernel]

arena skirmishes are all glad teams queueing 3s

lmao

[abstract stratus]

definitely haven't seen that myself lol

[grave basin]

advanced interface options being updated is actually so BIS

holy

didnt realise i used it so much

now i just need SUI

and we're so back

SUI is updated!!

idk sub is so boring

[potent pivot]

No very skilled player is going to enjoy their game being dumbed down

But it is what it is

[sterile field]

yea this aint it, sub is doa to me

[potent pivot]

did that guy delete his msgs

[stoic spruce]

Oooooo

[potent pivot]

just kinda odd lol

[grave basin]

brother figured rogue wasnt for him and left no trace

[tepid pine]

is there already a sub beta build?

[potent pivot]

beta?

you mean prepatch, or actual beta

either way there's a build in the pins

if u mean actual beta u just add the missing points from being level 90 to the hero tree and new apex talents

[pale sierra]

I am sorry, I am new so after reading the rules or whatsoever I realised I should post that in #subtlety
Sorry for being odd.

[potent pivot]

if you were referring to pvp, this is the place for that discussion

you brought up Trimaz so i kinda assumed you were talking about pvp

but idk i think he also does a little pve? not sure

no worries either way lol

[pale sierra]

Oh okay, so it was okay to post in here? I just moved it to Subtlety just to make sure. Preciate it

[potent pivot]

ye of course, npnp

[grave basin]

this is the pvp channel

ask pvp questions, builds here

[potent pivot]

the actual spec channels are very pve focused

[grave basin]

check pins if you need a build for prepatch pvp

[potent pivot]

so we use the pvp channel to discuss all 3 specs if it pertains to pvp

[grave basin]

sweepyboop's is updated

kinda fuck with this

[potent pivot]

[grave basin]

bbp is completely gone, just using platy

[potent pivot]

i think i will stick to BBP/BBF/sArena reloaded most likely

i will have to see

atm i'm just waiting

giving them all time to update and fix all functions etc

but BBP buff/debuff stuff is just too good

[grave basin]

i tried to renable SUI and it was a billion errors

[potent pivot]

changing the size/highlighting certain buffs/debuffs is op

[grave basin]

is this new in sweepyboops?

whitelist buffs and debuffs

i dont think bbp is even needed anymore ngl, bbf is still goated though

[potent pivot]

not sure

i think so?

and idk i just like bbp

lots of cusomization

[quick condor]

Was watching trimaz play since I do not have beta and then I look in the chat to see if he likes it and I see this 😭

and then right on top you have blindsaplol writing in french "i am so happy i didnt buy that shit expansion maybe its the time to quit"

[potent pivot]

you're the second person to come here from trimaz's stream in the past hour

and idk i think some people are kinda taking negative opinions a bit early, the expansion hasn't even launched yet

[quick condor]

oh nice he is the goat in my eyes but in my eyes I do not see how this will change

i dont think they will revert the dr changes nor the cheap shot

and as he said he dont really care about damage only design

[potent pivot]

then you either get with the times or don't play

its pretty simple

[restive vessel]

I mean if you go to wow forums, eu or us everyone is bashing the game atm, not a single positive post

Which is justified, I mean games trash now but I’m an addict so what can I do

[quick condor]

true i am usually somewhat positive

but this time it feels different like an example would be when they nerfed cc like when they nerfed blind duration
it was annoying but you could deal with it

but these current changes, i cant find a positive angle to look at it from

[restive vessel]

Roll dk have fun 😊

[grave basin]

https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/s/TnVpLbx78g

Dayum

Addon wars have heads rolling

[potent pivot]

so there's a way to change DR icons

[stoic spruce]

Just once

All they have to do is release something that's not in a half finished state

[quick condor]

I am wondering what they will do when the talent tress gets even more filled
I mean its really really overwhelming and will eventually keep getting filled

kinda ironic they did so much pruning but the talent tree looks like a flashbang to me

[potent pivot]

they will just make new hero trees/apex talents

like replace them

[stoic spruce]

They're remaking the trees

They told us when they announced trees in SL for DF

[stoic spruce]

I cant wait to have a real opinion on midnight once it launches

I need to find out where it ranks in my tier list

I shan't live too fast

[grave basin]

yea

bicmex already changed his to freezing trap

[sharp sierra]

Have the wow forums ever been positive

Feel like it’s always been crybaby central

[restive vessel]

Wouldn’t know. Can you recommend a place to check for opinions on the game other than youtubers paid by blizz?

[grave basin]

Feels like the general r/wow sub is massively astrosurfed

Theres some casual saying the new addonpolypes or xyz dumbed down spec is perfect

With thousands of upvotes

Meanwhile the comments are mostly negative

And the competitive wow sub has 100% negative feedback rate

Cringe blizzard trying to force a narrative

https://www.reddit.com/r/worldofpvp/s/HV3dWebRk6

Who is this

Buddy wrote an essay

[stoic lava]

outlaw enjoyers rise up

Anyone crashing out because of prepatch though needs a lobotomy

[grave basin]

It blows cock on beta too

Literally nothing redeems it unless it's overtuned

[potent pivot]

youtubers paid by blizz?..

[restive vessel]

Are you under aged so you don't know how world operates or just pretending?