pvp

[spring bough]

It does more healing than people actually healing

And then you also do as much dps as the actual dps 😂

Oh and the void slows too 🔥

[dark kernel]

Lol

I couldn't figure out outlaw this season

I don't know why but I didn't even get as high as last season

[spring bough]

Yeah after week 1 I kinda gave up on solo shuffle

Peaked at like 2386 and never regained it after the 33% coin nerf 😭

Blitz was an ez elite tho

[dark kernel]

I got hard stuck like 2100 all seasons n

But I got so sick

I've been sick since November because of baby. Had flu twice, covid, strep

My Assa is sitting 2240 and my outlaw 2180 and I just don't care

I hit 2k playing thug and ret rogue in 3s which was way more fun

[exotic dove]

Only class I can never really get bored of and stuck with it for many years now. Hunter comes in second

[stoic spruce]

I love how everyone's answering when he asked just me and the other guy

I forget who it was, too lazy to check

[exotic dove]

I know I did it to troll

[stoic spruce]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1359979917831307354/1460162465550700679/image0.gif

[exotic dove]

or ragebait lol

I woke up evil

[dark kernel]

I played rogue in vanilla and it just stuck

[spring bough]

Because I started playing rogue when I was 13 and idk

Vanilla beta 🔥

[wanton breach]

That’s just evil

[spring bough]

He triggered my ocd

Now I have ptsd cause I can’t fix it

[grave basin]

damn

brutal

[spring bough]

He doesn’t 😭

[potent pivot]

😭

[spring bough]

Bring back trickz to rogue PvP 2026

[potent pivot]

I’m planning to play midnight

Was checking out whispyr do some things on the beta last night and assa’s energy doesn’t look that bad

[spring bough]

Everything’s going to be fine

[potent pivot]

We can drop CT/take Dashing

Bleeds on secondary targets give reduced energy through VW

[fathom moss]

The umbral edge talent which gives you a 50% eviscerate consumes a deathstalkers mark

But DFA no longer consumes 2

[sharp sierra]

If fistweaver monk is ever actually good again that’s the most fun healing I’ve ever had this game

No idea why they even nerfed it to the ground years ago when any caster comp could roll it over with ease

[ivory radish]

I miss mw double friendly shadow step

Wsg with a DH fc

[static holly]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/major-class-and-hero-talent-tuning-midnight-beta-build-development-notes-379950

[spring bough]

It’s over

[static holly]

Nothing for rogues

[spring bough]

@potent pivot we are so fucking cooked

[static holly]

🤣

[spring bough]

Outlaw gonna be doing 0 auto attack damage in rated

[static holly]

At least they tuned others (nerf)

[potent pivot]

There’s still time

Pray

[spring bough]

lol

Boggles my mind fatebound could do 0 auto damage and still be ahead of trickster

[static holly]

https://seramate.com/search

Maybe not everyone knows it but the advanced text search from seramate is actually pretty useful

Apex talents changed, isn't it?
https://www.wowhead.com/news/datamined-midnight-beta-patch-12-0-1-class-and-spell-tuning-changes-379954

[spring bough]

How so

[potent pivot]

There’s a couple small rogue changes

The apex talent changes are just the position of them

[spring bough]

that musta been a lot of work moving the position

[potent pivot]

I think they changed an outlaw talent

And nerfed assa CtW

[potent pivot]

Looks like they buffed sinister strike

[spring bough]

Yeah the non outlaw one LOL

That’s like the level 1-10 sinister 😭

[potent pivot]

lol really

[spring bough]

Yes……

I stg there isn’t 1 dev working on outlaw

It’s just all the other class devs being like “what shit can we cook for rogue”

[gleaming sentinel]

[spring bough]

See yall S2 for changes

[gleaming sentinel]

#uninstall

[spring bough]

Can’t already paid for xpack

Time to alt rogue for season one cause I’m not dealing w another F tier season

[potent pivot]

I just reinstalled though 😭

[gleaming sentinel]

Maybe I reroll healer

[grave basin]

Where rog changes

Where ww changes

Where feral changes

😭

[potent pivot]

I think we might be gearing up for one of the worst balanced season 1s ever ngl

Like SL s1 after the stat squish

Only now we have like 50 talents instead of 15

[gleaming sentinel]

It’s gonna be so risky

[stoic spruce]

Can't yall see?

The lack of changes is a GOOD thing

It means they nailed it

[hidden moth]

a assa a sub and another assa walk into a shuffle

[gleaming sentinel]

who is the chad

[hidden moth]

not the sub

6th round and he is

0-5

"nothign dies go based play is dead" -the sub

as he always died second go bc he trinkets the first cheap shot he is hit with

kekw

[gleaming sentinel]

first lobby on his rogue is 2.4

lol

[hidden moth]

full conq gear though

record of 2700 shuffle previous

[fathom moss]

Put it in the wrong channel but im hitting 90k DFAs in PTR right now with a meme build.

[potent pivot]

Sub I’m assuming

[fathom moss]

Yeah, Deathstalker but it won’t be viable for shit since you can’t target swap due to marks

[potent pivot]

I think target swapping will be fine

Just have to get used to it

Will be more similar to how assa already has been

But idk

[fathom moss]

The only issue is you HAVE to consume all the marks on your target before switching

[potent pivot]

Ye

But you also have 2 new ways to consume marks ye?

Applying the mark has a chance to insta clear 1 and then that one talent can clear 1

[fathom moss]

30% chance to clear 1 then kidney shot clears one with Umbral Edge talent

[potent pivot]

Ye

[fathom moss]

Just have to be smart with setups i guess & target switching with darkest night would be decent & hit hard

[grave basin]

ok so im leveling a new rogue from l10 for the first time in a while

and holy FUCK it's miserable

energy talents need to be way higher

[potent pivot]

[grave basin]

im specced sub and im just backstab backstab and OOE and afk

wtf no wonder no one wants to level this class

[potent pivot]

Really low level rogue has been terrible for a long time yeah

[grave basin]

thank god remix has these OP powers that passively proc

@potent pivot you done your remix e chores?

[potent pivot]

Not yet I really need to

[grave basin]

lets do some

[potent pivot]

I don’t think I can get on tn

Gotta finish what I’m doing eat n bedge

[grave basin]

look im lvl 21 yea

im gonna join a normal EN, afk and show you what level i end up at

EN -> nighthold -> tomb and it's gg

[potent pivot]

You just level by getting carried through the raids?

[grave basin]

yeap

you literally stand still

at the entrance

some high verse guy will just blast every boss

in this case the raid lead himself is gonna blast

[potent pivot]

116M hp lool

guys a raid boss

[grave basin]

the actual raid boss has 17m hp

so hes 10x raid bosses

[potent pivot]

bro how fast is 3500 speed

[grave basin]

probably 50%? it DRs quite hard

im pretty sure there's a hard cap actually

half the raid just afking here kek

[potent pivot]

how many days do you have to raid to get the stuffs

like the sword/scythe and ToV sets

this is all i really care about i think

should be able to get 3/4 of the new remix specific set colors, all except the 100 WQ one lol

[grave basin]

you can do that in less than 5 hours

other than probably the world quest set

[potent pivot]

how long is the entire remix campaign

[grave basin]

world quest set takes abit

[potent pivot]

because the green one is for the entire campaign

all the other stuff is just from raid currencies

[grave basin]

not long at all

[potent pivot]

or a mythic completion/+30 key

[grave basin]

i cant remember maybe 2hours?

[potent pivot]

word

not bad

i will try to start tmrw

after work prob

[grave basin]

btw lol

theres still xavius

will end at around 40

how long did that take

15mins?

btw remember that i have max 400% exp boost

if this is your first ever remix toon you wont have the exp boost

btw if you dont have this achivement, this is your 2nd chance of getting it

[potent pivot]

whats the point of this one

[grave basin]

nothing just a FOS

[potent pivot]

oh

[grave basin]

you cant get it

it was during legion prepatch

[potent pivot]

i rarely care about achievements unless they reward something

[grave basin]

now theyve brought it back for lemix

[potent pivot]

like at least a title/mog/etc

[potent pivot]

[sharp sierra]

The surmar part longer than the entire campaign itself 😭

Had me so fried

[spring bough]

Play all weekend for the 100 WQ just make a few characters 😂

[dark kernel]

Legion remix was way worse than MoP

The fact they gated a ton of rewards and stuff behind achievements and not just bronze was so stupid

[crimson acorn]

Any good like guides or so for assa for soloQ or 3v3?

[potent pivot]

murlok.io/wowhead/iceyveins

[glass hazel]

i'm more upset there is none mt skins recolor -_-

could be attached to "endgame" achievement 999 power or 50 key

[stoic spruce]

The fact there aren't recolors of artifact appearances is the sole reason I only played for 2 weeks in total

[static holly]

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/news/24244455

The eots changes for blitz are so funny

Love when the def an inactive base

Tdlr: nothing new. Don't waste your time reading it

[outer sky]

Theyre changing EOTS in Midnight?

[spring bough]

Yeah the 1 PvP change we get for blitz

I think all the nodes are active instead of the 2

[outer sky]

Link

?

[spring bough]

@outer sky

The cutoff part “30 seconds after the match starts, Swift Pursuit is increased by an additional 50% while on the map's bridges (150% mount speed total).”

[static holly]

Still pretty hard to coordinate

Don't know if others don't understand most Maps/tactics

Must be my low mmr

[gleaming sentinel]

All 4 being active is pretty big

Entirely different Strat

[static holly]

What am I doing wrong on beta or did I misunderstood that. Is there a vendor to buy free pvp gear or not?

[static holly]

I know but it's not new. That's an old news

At least it will make eots more enjoyable

[stoic spruce]

Is that good for yall?

I don't play blitz

[static holly]

Good in terms of you have more options to change the game

[spring bough]

It’s whatever lol

People won’t hold flags with both bases till 1325 score anymore

It’ll be more flag caps probably

[static holly]

Nice map to be Kul tiran

Knock them away and cap the base

[dark kernel]

So I don't know if anyone else knows this, but Deathstalker is completely nonfunctional in beta

If a person gets the mark removed from a defensive, it never can be reapplied to them or another target the entire match

So deathstalker Assa and Sub are unusable

[static holly]

Don't know. Read nothing about it on forums. But rogue in general is pretty uncommon in the current state

[spring bough]

It’s always a good time

Twin peaks knocking FC off the side of the map. LM knocking people off. And EOTS knocking the FC off

[static holly]

I'm goblin. U can't get rid of me

[sharp sierra]

There’s a specific server you pick for max level

Then in main capital there’s a a bunch of vendors in the middle. For org the guy on the left standing in the box is PvP stuff

[static holly]

Oh ok. Good to know, thx a lot. Never thought about the server could be the problem

Pretty stupid design

[dark kernel]

This is from Nahj playing it on beta

It is reliable

[static holly]

Uh. But must be old. He is not live

[potent pivot]

That’s a type of bug that should get fixed sooner rather than later

Sounds like we need to be making more noise about it though

[static holly]

Make smoke bomb a baseline talent for all. Blind aoe, non breaking to everything. Cheapshot aoe within 10y.
Ty for now

[spring bough]

Lololoolololololol

Like the outlaw fatebound auto attack bug that’s gonna go live Tuesday

Over time if u don’t relog AA gonna do 0 dam LOL

Yeah sure they’ll fix it eventually……

[potent pivot]

They’re usually pretty good about fixing bad bugs like that

[potent pivot]

apparently this is also an issue in pve

so i would kinda expect something to change hopefully

[dark kernel]

3 weeks ago and no it's not been fixed

[dark kernel]

Yeah I'd hope to God. Lest we get the windwalker treatment

[spring bough]

Idk bugs been on beta 30+ days. We got a new build w no mention

I think we are fucked for season one no matter how optimistic I wanna be

[static holly]

6w till release. Still time to do something

But they will fix most things before s1

K, found the rogue dev... https://youtu.be/Rgx8dpiPwpA?si=6gFlAwo4e9DJtNog

Must be joma, pretty sure

[potent pivot]

i think there's no shot the auto attack thing doesn't get fixed tbh

[hazy monolith]

Lul no rogue beta changes?

[sharp sierra]

They haven’t decided which spec will be okay and which other two will be worthless for the entire expac

Tune in next week for that

[spring bough]

lol

[hazy monolith]

seems legit

[sharp sierra]

idk might be a mage season for me

[lone goblet]

Judging by the last two expansions they will get around to rogue buffs in the .0.5 patch, and then overhaul everything .1.5

[hidden moth]

hows midnight pvp specs lookin

any thing stand out

[potent pivot]

In what way

[hidden moth]

2 catagorys

1. looks fun
2. absolutly dog walkig everything bc broken

dont try to find one that fits both just 1 or the other 🙂

[potent pivot]

Idk anything broken atm is irrelevant imo

New DH spec looks fun tho

[hidden moth]

we takin disarm for prot war?

[carmine sequoia]

From the same dev team that made Voidweaver out-DPS Outlaw…
Introducing the new Outlaw experience in Midnight: glass cannon without the cannon.

[lone goblet]

In my experience with playing a healer in solo shuffle this season: Subtlety; everyone is getting cheap shot constantly but does no damage. Assassination; half the time does nothing other half of the time 6-0 the lobby. Outlaw; does nothing with style.

[raven quiver]

How will sub be after only getting 2 stuns per target?

[potent pivot]

🎱

[hazy monolith]

One day I tried outlaw on beta in a shuffle and went on a dps with the usual opener and smoke bombed

My healer gripped me back and said

“You won’t solo anyone bro”

[grave basin]

@exotic dove hows supa's assa journey so far

i just tuned in

[exotic dove]

A ww monk healed through his offensive CDs with soothing mist

[grave basin]

"playing assa is akin to waterboarding"

ive heard enough

[exotic dove]

Yeah Unless changes happen I am fully intending to go Sub instead of playing both Sub and Assa like I usually do

[lime oar]

watching supa now and damn shit is depressing

not just assa but the game in general lma

5+ min games

[sharp sierra]

Saw this on twitter was a survey ig

Tank rogue gives me ESO vibes and it was super fun

[potent pivot]

I pray this never happens

[gleaming sentinel]

If they make outlaw a tank spec that’s it for me

lol

[dark kernel]

Tank rogue in SoD was completely unusable at a high level so that one can be trashed

[sharp sierra]

to be fair SoD was ran by two classes

[dark kernel]

I never was able to crack 2200 on outlaw this season

I don't even know how that's possible

like from a pure numbers perspective I statistically improved at the game, the specialization is better than last season, and this season is more inflated.

[lone goblet]

Season's not over! You got 4 more days; get out there soldier. 🪖

[hidden moth]

the boomie XD

[hidden moth]

tbh ur in ur head about it too much, less thinking on the negatives

gotta be hungry for it

u need the thirst brother

[dark kernel]

I unfortunately have also been sick.since 11/06/25

[hidden moth]

im sorry m8

holy shit we climbing

Fuck yo bop

[dark moon]

Most of these sound EW, but i dig tank rogue

Healer hunter sounds dumb actually

Kek

[sharp sierra]

you leave braan alone xD

i guess that would be more of tinkerer actually

[dark moon]

Hunter dispersing bandages with the pet?

Who can even think about this, rofl

[sharp sierra]

i think mage healer would be dope

at least practically

[dark moon]

You're a hunter, not dr. Queen the medicine woman

Dafaq

[static holly]

Rogue healer... Just with poisons

[wanton breach]

i want a ranged rogue spec, called it the moonknight special

https://tenor.com/view/random-bullshit-go-moon-knight-random-random-bullshit-gif-25725102

[hazy monolith]

I was dreaming about a cool ranged glaive spec for DH, too. Now we have voidman

[static holly]

Spot it, please

🤣

[wind egret]

Hey does anyone have a weakauras for assa to show debuffs for every arena1 2 3 ? I mean, like rupture garrote crimson etc up on every target and the remaining duration

[wanton breach]

Some aren frame addons can do that iirc

Gladius(ex) maybe

[dark moon]

Sarena i think, also get the sweepyboopty arena helper

But im guessing you have one week to enjoy that

[true warren]

TWW S3 shuffle in one gladius frame

guess who got deleted through pre feint stun every round 😄

[dark moon]

The hunter, cause he doesn't have feint?

[ionic crown]

have anyone tried midnight sub rogue? idk what build is best

[dark kernel]

For the time being your kind of locked using Trickster

Deathstalker is bugged to the point of unusable

[spring bough]

@potent pivot how’s the remix journey

[static holly]

How on earth can you play orc

Visually they look good but these animations

Nightelves are strange but orc is even more annoying. Goblin is really the best as rogue 🤣

[ivory radish]

I'm sentimental to undead. Nothing like cannibalizing someone after you've just murdered them.

[static holly]

Ud is really nice

[lime oar]

human female best animations

but meld >

[jolly sierra]

pandaren have the best animations by far

fkn evis is god

and weapon pose

[dark kernel]

I refuse to play female characters and I question people who only play them

[lone jasper]

UD male my fav- forever, NE female my second fav, they are very cool looking. Orc female - not bad

[dark kernel]

Don't give me that female butt pixel bullshit either

[lone jasper]

Because male nightelf looks dumb xD

https://tenor.com/view/dumb-huh-stupid-idiot-gif-5042504

[spring bough]

Okay gooner

[dark kernel]

That's like the only valid reason

[spring bough]

😂

[dark kernel]

And I still won't play a female nelf

Mine are dudes

[static holly]

That's fine

[dark kernel]

Because I kind of like the jank animation with rapiers

[lone jasper]

How can u dont like nelf female

[dark kernel]

I hate women?

[static holly]

I need to have fun and a connection otherwise I can't play it

[lone jasper]

Please no

[static holly]

It's like waiting a boring movie

[lone jasper]

Absolutely, They used to mock me when I said that if I don’t like the visuals, I can’t play. When the race would change in a battleground and I’d suddenly switch from Undead to Human male and turn on sprint, I just didn’t want to play WoW anymore.

[dark kernel]

I'm fucking wit you guy

I just dont like a lot of dainty models except for female undead and when they took away their flips for the most part I was pissed off

Female undead in WoD used to flip every time they Feinted or Eviscerated and they killed the animation, it was so badass

[lone jasper]

Ye they’ve killed some undead animations, but still Im addicted to that race

[static holly]

Feel u

[lone jasper]

Bro, just watched this moment, you have to keep up streaming ❤️🤣

[dark kernel]

I have not streamed in like 10 years

I actually got popular back in the day, like mists/WoD I was a 100 viewer andy, but I got kids and career now

Now I just bitch about being mediocre at wow

[lone jasper]

Ye, life changes… I miss my youth, the years when there were no responsibilities

[dark kernel]

Same amigo. Every once in a while I boot it up. I've been sick for a while and just found out what's up so with the new patches I may be around

[jolly sierra]

because they are nelves

fkn nelves

[static holly]

No responsibilities was so cool. Grinding honor the whole day

Did battlemaster this way, solo

But sold my acc sadly when I quit after woltk

[lone jasper]

Unfortunately, as i missed a lot of expansions, im bad at history 🙁

[lone jasper]

I did the same on woltk 🙁

[static holly]

Nah, u had responsibilities 🤣

I play during work hours when I have time and after work I learn. So, no time to do much

[jolly sierra]

nelves are pricks in attitude and values in general and are responsibles for most BS than happened in wow alongside humans

u have bad attitudes even at the "good side" w malfurion, tyrande, maiev and fandral

[static holly]

And only really play when I really have the time. Often when I work overtime and have some spare time. Full time home office Dev is 👌

[lone jasper]

So we can say that ally sucks? 🤣❤️

[potent pivot]

That still happens tho?

[lone jasper]

I want to watch every single moment of wow history. Dont know where to start. Was watching 1 hour long videos and everything are mixed. Wasnt interesting

[jolly sierra]

youtube tho

[dark kernel]

I don't think so Tim. Not the way you used to at least, or not nearly as often. It used to be every single cast

[lime oar]

to each their own buddy i think every male animation looks goofy as fuck

[lone jasper]

Im losing my job in march, after working in different and very responsible jobs for last 12 years. And im kinda happy

[potent pivot]

Every single evis cast, yes

[dark kernel]

It for sure is not that right now because I played a female undead all the way through shadowlands and half of dragon flight and I switched to night elf

[potent pivot]

I’m pretty positive

Brother

I also played undead in SL

And I was back flipping then

[dark kernel]

It doesn't even need to be a conversation I'll just make one when I get home

[potent pivot]

Tru

[dark kernel]

The feint animation was the cooler part because it was spamable and you could jump mid animation for a pseudo double jump graphic

That shit with burst of speed in WoD was

https://tenor.com/view/pacha-perfection-perfect-emperor's-new-groove-peak-gif-3134211215846993256

[potent pivot]

Yea I feel like I remember the feint animation was the same as other races in SL

I played male undead for a while until I noticed the backflip on envenom n shit

Maybe that’s the difference?

Envenom vs evis?

[static holly]

@lone jasper ohy wow. But as long as you are happy it's good...

free yourself from things that burden you... That's at least what I do.

[spring bough]

We have a new blade rush animation 🔥

[lone jasper]

Life is with a lot of surprises, So, with this freedom, I should enjoy myself for a little while.

[dark kernel]

I don't remember specially, but what I do remember was the graphic being a flip then switching to like a spin

[static holly]

There will be new opportunities and hopefully one you will enjoy doing.
Having fun and enjoying your job is really good.

[dark kernel]

Is outlaw still completely unplayable in pvp tho

[spring bough]

It’ll be fine

Still playing it either way lol

[static holly]

Grappling hook animation is like a slap in the face

[dark kernel]

I'm done with that

[spring bough]

Oh Dw I got my alt hunter, DH, and DK ready lol

[static holly]

Do we have better queue times as F Tier class?

[dark kernel]

I think I want a survival/mm and a war in my pocket too

I do have a DH....but I guess I don't love it as much as I wish I did?

Maybe it's just because mines on remix and I don't even like that game mode tho

[spring bough]

No

Another option…. Void disc is less than 30 second que times and you can just dps and heal your whole team passively pretty much lol

[spring bough]

For DH. Best thing I ever did for Aldari build. Is you can macro Reavers Glaive to most abilities with a /cqs at the end of the macro to clear spell queue. And it’ll send reavers glaive when it procs. Makes the class so ez lol

[static holly]

I always had a priest alt and used to play VW. In tww it just got more popular but it ways the most simple spec for me to play as healer

[dark kernel]

I'll have to remember to ask about this when I know what that means. I don't even know what my remix DH is specd

[static holly]

Pretty fun also in midnight. Void shields are cool. But I actually wanted to play only rogue and try to push as high as I can this time

Maybe at the end of s1 when I get bored

[spring bough]

On chaos strike. Just put /cast Reaver’s Glaive /cast Chaos Strike /cqs and it’ll do chaos strike until reaver Glaive procs. When it procs it’ll send that on the next press. Then it’ll go right back to chaos strike until Glaive procs again

Then you don’t need to monitor reaver Glaive for procs and you just auto send them all the second it procs pretty much

[dark kernel]

Hilarious

[static holly]

https://tenor.com/view/laughing-hysterically-cracking-up-dead-gif-7993727288228161616

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/pvp-cc-is-too-much/2228917

[gusty hedge]

i dont like how we're forced to use blade rush because of set

[spring bough]

The /cqs best thing I ever found out about

[spring bough]

Faster gap closer with slow asf grapple now. I’m kinda excited to BR game again

We are also forced to use it for energy and not just tier lol

[gusty hedge]

that sucks too rip hook almost forgot.
i say forced because the set bonus useless if u dnt pick it now. wouldve been nice to have another option

[dark kernel]

Have you fucked with builds I feel like Prep has to be a no brained

Wait did they slow the hookshot

Why would they even

[gusty hedge]

gonna be more hook fails im sure

[radiant creek]

hi guys, what is best way for Kingsbane and deathmark burst macro?

[spring bough]

Taking prep 10000% for PvP

[potent pivot]

don't put more than 1 GCD in a macro

[radiant creek]

i mean seperately

two macros

[potent pivot]

you don't have to macro anything to deathmark

[radiant creek]

kingsbane, trinket, thistle tea, cold blood in one

[potent pivot]

thats fine

[radiant creek]

ok thanks

[spring bough]

I think I’m gonna mostly do this. Some mods to the rogue tree. Outlaw tree drop KIR and do 2/2 dispatcher. Prob first one I’m gonna try

Might also try dropping ace for sleight too

[modest moss]

does anyone know how i can check how close i am to the strategist title?

[potent pivot]

find the achievement and track it

[modest moss]

yea but i cant find it xD

[gleaming sentinel]

blade rush is real vibey tho

[potent pivot]

google is your friend fr

[dark kernel]

Interesting. I want to see how ambush scales, I really don't like the KIR or the talent above it that makes each dice like 5% stronger

[modest moss]

dont u think i did that before asking xD

[dark kernel]

BUT kir and prep did sound juicy

Do we know if prep benefits from restless blades?

[spring bough]

HO is gonna be shit now

Something with it not triggering opportunity like sinister or something along those lines

No more double ambush or w/e it used to do

[dark kernel]

Hmm

That would be ridiculous

That has to be a bug

[modest moss]

But i got it now, got a command from another discord

[dark kernel]

It's been added specifically into new tooltips

[spring bough]

From what I saw with Solo’s posts 1/2 dispatcher + KIR is about the same as 2/2 dispatcher no KIR. Within less than 1k dps

[dark kernel]

Is that a PvE writeup?

It's a good place to start

I'm just curious

[spring bough]

And 0/2 ace for 1/1 sleight is just about the same as 1/2 ace no sleight

[spring bough]

He was posting sim data the other day

[dark kernel]

Ahh

[spring bough]

#midnight-outlaw message

[dark kernel]

I wonder d how stupid it would be to literally prep double killing spree in a bomb

It would requires stars aligning for noone to interrupt you

[spring bough]

Might work tbh

I kind of don’t want to play KS

I’d rather lean more into passive stuff for less RNG

[potent pivot]

i wouldn't have said it without trying it real quick :p

[spring bough]

Every season on wowhead someone puts the script in the comments for the achieve

[gleaming sentinel]

MFW prep = adr uptime which = TWW playstyle

[modest moss]

when i was searching i was just searching for the achivement itself, not how to track it, stupid of me. But thanks!

[potent pivot]

all good glad you found it either way

[static holly]

Anyone looked into professions in midnight? I always pick mining and herbalism bc I'm lazy

[potent pivot]

i had no idea if you couldn't just go to it in the achievements page and click track lol

[spring bough]

From what I saw on a 45 second or less fight preps like 12% dps gain 🔥

[modest moss]

cool, dident know this. First time im doing anything above 1,6k xD

[potent pivot]

if you level up the other ones fast early on you can make a lot of gold, but it does usually require a lot of investment to do

like blacksmithing/engineering, etc

but you're basically racing all the people that do professions

[static holly]

Or you have like 50+ alts and abuse transmute cds

No fun. I'll pass and just buy what I need

Miss the old days engineer

Don't understand why the removed all the benefits from it

[potent pivot]

yeah

there's a few people that go hard into that

like 2 full accounts of alts

[static holly]

Because it's easy money

[potent pivot]

idk if i would say easy

but its basically guaranteed money yea

its just a bitch to set up and level that many toons

[static holly]

Lvln is really a pain and boring

[hidden moth]

7 mil kb + coins into a 3.5mil envenom and a 5 MIL COIN FLIP !!!!!!!

[spring bough]

Enjoy the next four days till live crits are doing 1/100 of that

😭

[hidden moth]

eyah ik

im legit finishing 1800 sets and legend

then going back to tbc

finishing last minute bucket list things casually hitting 2600+ shuffle XD

[dark kernel]

I'm sitting 2250 or so on my assa

If I win games on that spec I'm going to just sigh

Assa feels so stupid in shuffle, but in real 3s I get dumpsters by all the hunt/dk

I died in a DR ghoul stun the other day, was cool stuff

[potent pivot]

Yeah the guys I knew doing the mass alt professions abused the level 11 warrior timewalking thing

So they made 4 extra accounts so they could boost 4 other toons at once on their twink warrior on their main account

[gleaming sentinel]

When I hit 2600 I was rank 32, now I’m 132 lol and I haven’t Qd

[obsidian pulsar]

3.250 Rank 16 xd

[dark kernel]

Honest to God. I think 75% of Assa power in shuffle comes from just getting random free restealth

Druid gets you in a full cyclone? Cool you literally get a rest of a quarter second once it ends

[gleaming sentinel]

assa has an insane shuffle kit, idc what anyone says

[dark kernel]

1 minute guaranteed 8 million damage burst, 2 minute guaranteed 12 million damage burst

[spring bough]

12 mil prob minimum some pushing like 20+ lol

[gleaming sentinel]

yea that 3rd kingsbane its over

if that

[dark kernel]

Yeah but that's why I said minimum. I had a game the other day where I got a 5.5 million King alone

Do you guys who actually know what you're doing on assassination. Do you legitimately just save a vanish for every kingsbane go so you just make sure you have a vanish ready when you're burst is up

Just make sure the healer is crossed and get the buttons out?

My one issue is still just using vanish like I'm Outlaw a little bit as soon as silence DRS are over

[outer sky]

Kingsbane is a 1m CD and we have 3 vanishes so its not really that hard to have one for every kingsbane unless the game is really long

[dark kernel]

The player is the issue because I've been playing only outlaw a year steaight

[spring bough]

I was spamming vanish at first with sin lol. Just try not to hit it as often. Save meld for oh shit. Take advantage of stuff like clones if u get stuck to restealth too

[outer sky]

No dont save meld. You want to meld after your first vanish do both vanish and meld are cooling down at the same time

If you use both vanished before meld then you only have vanish cooling down

[exotic dove]

Are there any addons working on beta right now like Scrolling combat texts and cosmetic stuff like that? I am not in a place for a bit where I can try it out myself why I am asking

I know combat ones dont

[dark kernel]

I do this fortunately

[hidden moth]

free as fuck games

ima hit 3k before i get legend at this rate

wtf is this lobby

bm mm and sv

[potent pivot]

If it pulls from the combat log itself then it likely doesn’t work anymore

[hidden moth]

is it all fucking hunters up higher?

[potent pivot]

But no idea

[exotic dove]

ah ok then I will have to to wait and try it later I am not sure if it does or not

[potent pivot]

Check if they have a beta revision on curse

[noble zodiac]

A few days ago when i checked addons were not able to interact with the dmg numbers. No reskin etc.
You could only disable them or have then standard

[hidden moth]

arcane mage is just

uncounterable

then

when he is on my team proceeds to fuckiung

SHEEP EVERY SINGLE ONE OF MY BLEEDS OFF

actual fucking cancer of a spec istgf

[dark kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/conan-o-brien-window-stalker-creepy-gif-14699391

this is the assa stats Im starting with

[hidden moth]

i believe

[gleaming sentinel]

just remember its a mini go every kidney

harass healers a lot and gg

[dark kernel]

I mean, if you have no actual damage are you wasting step kidney on healer still

or just send kidney dps

[gleaming sentinel]

prob depends, but i mostly did kidneys on kill target

im sure that was wrong, but thats just what i did

actually now that i think about it, i did kidneys on healer yea

i just wanted to make sure i had kidney or cheap on whatever i was gonna kingsane

but im shitty at assa rofl

[outer sky]

If you have no damage but your teammate does then its fine. Like if you see your boomie has an incarn charge you can send it because you'll be getting CDs regardless

[dark kernel]

im just trying to slow my brain down and hope I dont press something stupid

Outlaw just blows because you lose in trading mostly so even playing well you just get number gamed

not going to be the same here i know that

[dark kernel]

barely

[gleaming sentinel]

cool

[grave basin]

Hope everyone is having fun

My wife is having contractions

[wanton breach]

just play hunter

[wanton breach]

this was my experience in a triple monk lobby - dm on a target? woop let me just paralyze

[grave basin]

Triple bleed? Song off all your bleeds

[wanton breach]

tbf I intentionally move into a nearby song if I'm playing against feral/assa with an enemy monk

[wintry dew]

Poggers

[grave basin]

Poggers

[wintry dew]

Y'all got everything under control for now?

[grave basin]

Not dilated enough apparantly

So theyre discharging her

But other than that my other 2 are still a handful

[wintry dew]

we went from not dilated enough to "holy shits its coming out" in 30 minutes

xD

[grave basin]

Idk man the difference between latent and early labour is literally 1cm

From 2 to 3cm

Then theyll burst the water bag and expiedite the process

[wintry dew]

Wishing you the best of luck!

[dark moon]

GL to the wife. She's winning the lobby

[dark kernel]

Oh damn. I just found out aft r Christmas my wife is pregnant with #2

Literally going to be born at the very end of Midnight S1

So next season is probably my last rodeo I'll be too old after all's said and done

[outer sky]

@grave basin Grats bro im the father of 4 and my only regret is that I wish I had more. My oldest sister has 14, my youngest sister has 10, and my brother has 7. Im jealous!

[static holly]

You could use a handheld to play if you take it more casually @dark kernel
Not sure how good it is to pvp

More?! Seriously?

I have 3 and it's already consuming all my time

[outer sky]

You should meet my oldest sister lol

Her husband cant pull out of a parking space

[static holly]

Wow, can't imagine how much work this takes

[outer sky]

You gotta remember that they're not all in the house at the same time and the oldest ones that are can help with the youngest ones.

[static holly]

Sure , that's true but it's still a lot to manage

[outer sky]

Oh for sure

[static holly]

Imagine everyone does some kind of sports or whatever

[outer sky]

The worst part is how many Christmas presents I have to buy

[static holly]

🤣

Hope you have a limit because it's ridiculous

[outer sky]

31 nieces and nephews plus my own 4 kids

[dark kernel]

jesus u fuckin mormon or some shit

[static holly]

Just drew everyone a nice picture

[outer sky]

Catholic

[dark kernel]

still thats even high for catholics these days

you do you

It makes no sense to me how that can even be funded

My second coming is a surprise, I physically cannot afford to insure both and daycare for 2

and we cant survive on a single income

so I got about 7 months to figure out where $20K more is coming from

[outer sky]

Well none of us use daycare so thats 1 cost avoided

Idk man at my church 6+ kids is not uncommon at all

[dark kernel]

yeah you might be in more of a cult

[outer sky]

?

[dark kernel]

Im fucking with you

my wife's catholic and I go to a catholic church

we rarely see family's of 3+

so it must be regional for sure

[outer sky]

I don't really see how that's possible if theyre following doctrine

[dark kernel]

yeah I think people shove that doctrine up their ass

saying having tons of kids is nice in theory

not a functional possibility for most

unless you literally use your children as a source of income

like farmers used to

[outer sky]

Idk I think people waste a lot more money than they realize

People have gotten terrible with money

[dark kernel]

so what do you do for healthcare

or is this a scenario where you have a very lucrative job

because each kid would be an $500 a month addition, so your staring at $5K in insurance monthly alone

[outer sky]

Health Care Sharing Ministry

Very common

[dark kernel]

Im glad it works for you

[outer sky]

Guys im ngl im really pissed about the idea of a 5+ week long pre patch

That sounds so boring

And they always fuck up the tuning during prepatch so the game isnt even playable

This also felt like a really short xpac

Was it?

[wanton breach]

they wanted to do 18 month expansions, with 3 seasons at 6 months each

[outer sky]

Is that just for the world soul arc or something?

[wanton breach]

yes but no idea what the plans for afterwards are

TWW + Midnight + the one after that are all supposed to be 18 months

[outer sky]

Idk why they need a 5 or 6 week pre patch though

[lone jasper]

Yeah, it honestly would’ve been better if it had stayed the way it was. At least we could still push rating on alts and get the seasonal transmogs.

[outer sky]

Not only that but prepatch is always a cluster fuck

[lone jasper]

Ye, and i suppose there will be nothing to do 1.5 months

[outer sky]

Yeah

Idk why its so long

Usually its like

2 weeks

I kinda feel like they should reduce the sub cost for the month of February

[dark kernel]

Does Coldblood bug out and randomly not work on KB?

Oh im running the only applies to envenom

im an idiot

[static holly]

The best reason is maybe because of the stat squish

And that you can catch up with the event

And of course not because they will f... Up again everything with it

Actually need 1 or 2 IDs for fangs of father daggers. Hope they did not mess up with old content

[static holly]

https://youtu.be/ILW7FgtPqYU?si=uxBBGaV63UFCCXHb

https://tenor.com/view/marge-simpson-the-simpsons-shy-shame-ashame-gif-16916873

[outer sky]

How bad is it for us?

[static holly]

Subs s tier

Rest, d tier (also only rogue, no other)

[outer sky]

Lmfao

[static holly]

Nothing new actually

[outer sky]

And we all know sub being S tier wont last

Let alone at the start of an xpac

That'll get nuked asap

[static holly]

We knew it, but maybe there will be some Tunings before release

I mean you cannot really test everything and the circumstances are misleading but at least it gives you some perspective

It's like he only played against or with multi glads and did valid tests but still funny to see that we got at least one spec

Now gogo, reroll all orc

[dark moon]

Sub s tier in beta means d tier list on launch

Also new dh spec will get omega buffed

[restive vessel]

question: Is nightelf a must, and why is everyone a night elf? I can't stand the model

[outer sky]

As of right now on retail nelf is a must unless you exclusively play sub

[restive vessel]

why though

[gleaming sentinel]

shadowmeld gives you a restealth and both assa and outlaw is pretty much built around subterfuge

[gilded gulch]

fem nelf has one of the better models

besides elf ears fucking with some helms

[sharp sierra]

Jesus all this talk about kids I can’t even imagine having 1 😭

[sharp sierra]

Mage season fr

Seems like they just want to go back to sin and outlaw being for pve only lmao

[dark kernel]

Hey

Do we even know come Tuesday if outlaw is even using haste

I guess the AR global cdr reduction still is show horned in

[dark moon]

Nobody can, until it happens. Don't worry about it

[gleaming sentinel]

Honestly I haven’t really looked at much midnight outlaw stuff lately outside of whatever yappers bring up in here lol. I have zero idea.

I’m having fun these last few days with my beloved spec before it changes

[lone jasper]

I don’t know what’s going on, but these days I’ve been watching Midnight fights, especially duels. I can’t tell if it’s just me not being used to it or something else, but it feels extremely repetitive and uninteresting. I really hope it won’t stay like this. There’s no improvisation anymore… (hope its just my imagination, and im wrong)

[static holly]

I like it somehow that the slow it down

Maybe it will open the door for more ppl

Also maybe oldskool pvp like

[dark kernel]

Tuesday will be a shitshow because we're going to be an old gear with old tier sets and then all the scaling is designed around level 90

So half the classes will probably just one shot things

[static holly]

Would have been a good time for chomp stomp

Honor lvl grinding

[dark moon]

As every prepatch

[hazy monolith]

do you guys know at which time the season ends on eu on tuesday?

[dark moon]

Around 8-9 pm server time or something

[static holly]

PvPq.net has a timer

[spring bough]

solo shuffle ques are pretty fast right now

[sharp sierra]

Thankfully me and my gf have permanent measures to make sure that never happens xD

[sharp sierra]

You have to actually play it id say just watching doesn’t really give the full show especially just duels. It’s way more fun and I imagine we will finally see a solid uptick in healers as well. No more yoyoing every 3 seconds

[dark moon]

that sounds lonely, to each their own

[maiden shard]

is there a go to pvp spec for prepatch tbc?

[potent pivot]

Probably want to try a server that’s classic specific

There’s a couple linked in the pins of #classic-discussion and you can also google Simonizeshow’s server

[hazy monolith]

Thats actually a pretty cool site thx

[fathom moss]

2 set increases dmg by 5% & 4 by 10% flat for everyone (pvp sets) PTR hasn’t been just 1 shots fortunately but people with correct stat priory (as its shifting for quite a few classes) really have the edge

If you’re a sub rogue with full mastery/vers things are gonna be tough come prepatch. Meta seems to be around 20% haste

[dark moon]

nobody has haste

yikes gonna be hard

[fathom moss]

Hit some crate farms & craft a few haste pieces

[potent pivot]

Good thing is I think we will still be able to share gear for sub/assa

[fathom moss]

I mega farmed 3 separate sets, traditional mastery/vers, a crit set & a haste set to play around with during prepatch. Didn’t take that long with crate farms & im sure they’ll be active for a while

[hidden moth]

Yes sub go to wowhead also classic rogue discord

[potent pivot]

You tried beta at all?

[fathom moss]

Yeah a lil but not with correct stats, from what Ive seen from others & tested myself sub is really strong

[restive vessel]

Which one of you is this

[potent pivot]

Yea sub is decent tuning wise atm comparatively

[sharp sierra]

I wonder if the addon will work for crate farming. I ripped the entire code when the addon dev tried adding a paywall to it 🤣

https://youtube.com/shorts/kc2oV6L6IcU?si=uZe3En0XS8sXHLSo

I’ve seen enough. Nerf coin damage.

[potent pivot]

There was more than one of those addons floating around. Dude trying to paywall is fucking cringe though.

[sharp sierra]

I’m more upset I never did crate farming till tww. Was it just not as good back then?

[potent pivot]

It wasn’t anywhere near as good/optimized, but it did exist

[dark kernel]

I am blessed with a full haste and full Master/vers set

[harsh kiln]

Finally did it! Just need wins now..

[dark kernel]

What's ur comp amigo

[harsh kiln]

Ashamed to say it but i swapped from outlaw to assass for this, still playing rmp though

[outer sky]

Are you on NA? I may know some people who can queue with you for it. If nothing else, we can try double rogue lol I mean theres only a day left what do you have to lose?

Im also off work tomorrow so I can grind

[dark kernel]

There is no shame in that. There is zero compositions without law that are glad worthy right now unless you are playing a full standard deviation higher than everyone else which is not an easy task

You essentially need to have a boomkin or a fire mage that can play at a rank one level

[outer sky]

You need a lot more than that lol I played into Kalvish on mage, kubzy on MW, and Dazed on Outlaw and my lfg team still won. Like bro if they couldn't beat us with Outlaw then who the fuck could lol

It felt like combust was their ONLY win condition

And without any extra damage, it wasnt bursty enough

We lived when we shouldn't have

Just because Dazed contributed so little damage wise

[harsh kiln]

Nah im eu, season ends tuesday right?

[outer sky]

Monday night

Usually 10pm EST

[harsh kiln]

Appreciate the support though boys

Damn, thought it was tuesday night

[dark moon]

Isn't for eu 1 day later tho?

[harsh kiln]

As a hardcore outlaw main i must say my ego is a little bit damaged, but yeh i came to the same conclusion and realization that im not at the level where i can carry as an underperforming spec;)

[harsh kiln]

Thats what i thought aswell

[outer sky]

Their reset is but the season doesnt end on reset it ends at a specific time

[dark moon]

Throw ego out the window and you'll feel better

Yeah 1 day before the prepatch, no?

Our prepatch is on 21st,Wednesday

Or?

[harsh kiln]

Should be tuesday night at 10 or 11 i assumed for eu

iirc

[outer sky]

Maybe

[harsh kiln]

Who knows

[outer sky]

Regardless you better grind

[harsh kiln]

Not this guy, if it ends on monday in eu im shit out of luck

Got RL matters to attend to

So got tuesday evening/night free, other than that i got no time:/

[dark moon]

Last aeason ended at around 9 server time

Its gonna be tight

But gl, hope you make it

[harsh kiln]

Got 3/50, just have to squeeze 47 more in lmao

Ill let you know if i do

[dark kernel]

I played Outlaw this entire season. I have nearly 600 games in shuffle and I have never passed 2200, last season even without law in it even worse condition I got 2300 on three separate occasions

So I very much understand the hurt ego

Like how have I gotten this much more improved and I'm losing more

[gusty hedge]

i quit week 2 and never looked back season has been a joke

[gilded gulch]

Shuffle this season been a sea of ret/hunter/dk

[dark kernel]

Yeah. It's insane to me that Outlaw doesn't feel absolutely terrible, but there are so many classes that are way stronger than any classes were last season that it still puts us in the gutter

When I learned that fate-bound coin damage was cosmic and got buffed by mastery in nature I literally thought blizzard was trolling outlaw

[last jasper]

wow, sub no rupture anymore. jesus.

Is there a way to bring back CP on the target nameplate like it used to be?

[potent pivot]

No symbols either

Sub is about to be the easiest rogue spec

[last jasper]

yea, I had a feeling Im playing dh

[last jasper]

I played midnight ptr yesterday and didn't even noticed that

[floral crest]

lmao sub goes from like one of hardest to be good at... to easy? was thinking about playin it

[last jasper]

yea, sadge I never really learned to play it well.

[hidden moth]

tbf

every spec in midnight is easy as fuck

most complex spec on the beta is spriest XD

[last jasper]

yea, but I coudn't imagine playing sub would ever feel like devo

[hidden moth]

tbh blizz killed all the fun

no class complexity

might just be pressing 1 buton rotatiuo

[gleaming sentinel]

Nice. I hit 2.2 and my team went on to greener pastures. Maybe midnight

[dark kernel]

I barely have touched blitz

I'm putting all my eggs in 3v3 hard meta next season

Full blown fotm

Every class is 80

[last jasper]

some specs feels good and fun. like udk

[hidden moth]

udk and spreist

[last jasper]

but damn, why nerfing sub so bad

[gilded gulch]

I will say though, people that unironically think wpvp is content.

Are below rbg mains in brain smoothness.

[hidden moth]

its only contyent

if im making someone suicidal

[gilded gulch]

I like whirling surge dismounting someone high up and watching them plummet and die

[hidden moth]

dotting someone with a dm etc

and flying behind them

they know if they dismount they die

and if they stay mounted they bleed out

[gilded gulch]

well i tend to be fast with net-o-matic

so sometimes i even catch druids with it and watch them fall z axis

from getting netted

[hidden moth]

thought that didnt work on dragon riding

[gilded gulch]

it does

but dragonriding is fast so you have to be very quick with it

before they get out of range

[hidden moth]

upset my check pvp wont put highest shuffle as 2700

[dark kernel]

pretty hardstuck 2250 on sin

just strugglin

i aint going to make it, not enough time for me

[dark kernel]

im still at 2250

3-3 over and over

i just cant lock in

[grave basin]

Mfw im done with pvp and just casually grinding out shadowlands meta with 4 toons simultaneously

[dark kernel]

i started trying to do SL to get some of those cool blade backs

I cannot fucking bother

man

[dark kernel]

I got a new peak, but im not quite there

they gotta fix shuffle man

The fact you still get people with single matches played up to 2300 is just pure insanity

[lime oar]

im just trying to hit 2.1 in blitz real quick and its been 1980-2030 and back all night

ggs

[hidden moth]

tbh

it put my 0 cr priest in 2400 mmr

for shuffle bc it hit high cr last seasson

will say if im 0 cr and in 2.2k lobbies and 6-0 the bitch

i should get 1k cr

[gilded gulch]

yeah my dh was in 2.3 mmr lobbies for placements lmao

i just wanted the 1800 set

[hidden moth]

same for the proiest

[gilded gulch]

i wondered why there werent more dhs

then i remembered mm exists

surprised i get 6-0 mostly on rogue if its a caster lobby

[grave basin]

I played SL when it was current and i randomly have 100k anima across all my alts

Pretty handy

The zerith mortis rep grind is bull shit though, takes like 70days

[lone jasper]

grinded with one char (broken mirrors), happy like a child 😄 !

[static holly]

@lone jasper CG 🎉

Now bubbleblood?

[restive vessel]

hardstuck at 1800-1900 in shuffles with sub, what to do brothers and sisters

[lone jasper]

I’ve started doing that about 4 days ago with 2 char, let’s see when it drops. I also started farming Torghast. the rewards are pretty good.

[lone jasper]

Its all about practise and watch videos of others playing. There is one problem, season ends in 2-3 days

[dark moon]

Play assa, cause goes don't rely that much on stuns

Everything is on stun dr all the damn time

[static holly]

@lone jasper I parked a few chars there and farmed him 2 weeks or so. But it's been a while...

[lone jasper]

lets see, im not in hurry 😄

[static holly]

Not sure but I think you can also kill him in war mode a 2nd time?!

[lone jasper]

trying to figure out everything that i can do these days. want to play with disc vw priest but a little bit lazy.

[lone jasper]

never thought about it

[static holly]

VW is funny. Was for me easier to figure out how to play

I was too afraid of the button bloat other classes have

[lone jasper]

ye i tried m+ healing before and i loved it too much.

[static holly]

I played one back in vanilla and that's why I like them. Never really tried others

I don't liked them from just seeing

Shamen looks interesting but I don't know. Engineer in gw2 was more appealing

[lone jasper]

I tried shammy, but no, not for me. I love the aggressive healing of disc priest

[static holly]

Y

[lime oar]

good enough for me boys

now

i sleep

[sharp sierra]

I just want old DF fistweaver back :(

[lone jasper]

I’m gonna be honest, I have absolutely no idea what it means, but I respect the pain 😂

Df suppose to be dragonflight

[sharp sierra]

Lmaooo in dragon flight monks healing specs left tree was all about doing melee damage to heal

You just pressed jadefire stomp and watch health bars go up while doing a dps rotation the entire time

[lone jasper]

Ah, unfortunately my exp ended on woltk and im back to tww, Missed a lot of things. As im a Rogue player, but i respect all classes except paladin, its a pity when interesting avility/spells are removed. i loved shadowy duel pvp talent too much and i miss it.

[vocal surge]

I still get mad at my arena partners when they run up to the MW monk

When they're about to die

And they're fistweaving into my Evasion

And they get 1 ability off and health bar reset

"BUT MAH FEAR"

MFW the Fistweaver was a 5% and man runs ontop of em while I'm in Evasion ready to kill em

[lone jasper]

Ye, still people are saying monk healers style is like vw disc, but i havent noticed that.

[vocal surge]

And they get a target to hit and heal off of

[sharp sierra]

No idea why they even nerfed it. It was countered by literally walking away from it

Nothing made me happier tho getting a demo or unholy on the other team

[vocal surge]

Tbh, Fistweavers in DF were very annoying to fight

Any small ability they get off, not even their harder hitting ability

And they healed for a lot

Especially with those PvP talent Orbs if I recall

It also didn't help they didn't go Oom, period.

[sharp sierra]

Yeah but it also felt like any range match up an it was gg for them

Orbs was gross

[vocal surge]

Yee

[dark kernel]

hey there

u got the meta Sub build on beta right?

[vocal surge]

I've seen it

but its been 2 months since I last played Beta

[dark kernel]

i got it from Nahjs youtube logs

i wonder how haste will feel since it kind of butts in the damage

[static holly]

Read somewhere that you would need 50% to get 3 dances

But we will see

[dark kernel]

Yeah that's a no go

Haste is pure dog ass on Sub and now that we don't even have rupture it has no use over cdr which then your trading....hitting more often for no damage...or less often for actual damage

[fathom moss]

He’s not running the talent here for haste to increase dance duration

20% feels nice for sustained damage. Extra strike/evis in dance if you’re running the hasted talent.

[fathom moss]

That’s just in ptr though, at max level with apex talents 20% will essentially give you 2 full combo point evis more than if you weren’t running any whatsoever. More energy, more auto attacks ect

Within a single dance

[static holly]

https://youtube.com/shorts/kc2oV6L6IcU?si=zrrVlcmkI0mzQobR

Nonbat rogue

Btw he thinks sub will be s tier in pre-patch

[dark kernel]

I'm going to be real I do not take supatease in anyway serious here

That being said Nahj at least also agrees that sub will be the "meta" rogue spec so long as all of them stay in their current power alignments after changes

Rogues lost a lot and a lot of other DPS classes didn't. Ret still has such an absurd amount of defensives I can't not see them as S+

[vocal surge]

Lay on Hands 1min CD go brrrr

[vocal surge]

You know about their 1min CD Lay on Hands ye?

[jolly sierra]

ret SSJ god season again?

[outer sky]

Sub never stays the meta rogue spec for long. If its ever S tier it gets nerfed extremely fast

Especially at the start of the xpac

[dark kernel]

Just reading this, makes me want to say something that would get me banned from this discord

[dark kernel]

Yep and that's why I don't expect to play Rogue this next expansion

[outer sky]

Im gunna play it

Its all ive played since Legion

Everything else feels boring

[restive vessel]

what will happen with excess conquest after season ends on january 20th?

[spring bough]

What race should I do for outlaw in midnight? Human for double dps trinkets or something else

[glass hazel]

human will get proper racial trinket?:)

[outer sky]

If i didnt have to play nelf, id go orc for the stun reduction

Thats going to be even bigger in midnight because the time between DRs is shortened

So you'll be stunnable sooner

[spring bough]

I’m thinking human for outlaw cause secondaries gonna be important like crit. Plus the racial puts the medallion on CD. And human extra % on secondaries too

[spring bough]

My medallion gonna do stuns only 😂

[glass hazel]

hardcore

[outer sky]

I think if youre worried about stuns and want a 2nd trinket for them you should just play orc

It deals with stuns better than human

[spring bough]

I got an orc ready to go too. Guess I’ll see how it feels next week in some games lol

[molten hedge]

Subs rotation will feel nicer with not having to triple cheap at least lol ima try it

[restive vessel]

Am I the only one who plays velf rogue am I cooked

[molten hedge]

Depends which spec

Could be good with no steps but it’s a 2 min FD

Cd*

u can’t velf in cc if u get it off before right

I think orc and nelf is always bis

[spring bough]

cant wait for people not to know about this change and then get yelled at for not spamming it

[molten hedge]

Meld tooo good

[spring bough]

its gonna be a fun week lol

[molten hedge]

Yeah I’ve deff heard “sub is gonna be op with unlimited stuns still”

Lol

[spring bough]

racial might be faster than grappling hook now might be good lol

its gonna be a stand and bang type of play

with less defensives than now lmao

[fathom moss]

Shadow strike hits HARD if you spec for it, im getting 76k crits outside of blades in ptr (for reference health pool is 151k)

Also stacking some crit for this build so evis hits like a wet noodle

[static holly]

Dark iron might be also a valid choice for arena as outlaw

But it's a hard choice

I couldn't play human bc of their animations 🤣

[spring bough]

Blood DK in arena skirm out damaging my outlaw... RIP

[static holly]

NE is more versatile and might be more helpful, defensive wise

[spring bough]

That racial triggers medallion too 😭

Prob gonna be between human or night elf for me. Gonna see how defensives feel in rated lol

[static holly]

Maybe it helps when you save to put one point into vanish and use it somewhere else as NE?

Didn't look into the tree if it makes sense or not

[spring bough]

Prob not gonna run two vanish charges

[static holly]

At least it heals you a little bit when u spec into it and vanish but it's not really that much 😵‍💫

[keen canopy]

are the cc changes also with prepatch?

[spring bough]

yeah

[spring bough]

blitz changes for eots too should be there

[dark kernel]

Does nelf into stealth trigger the sub heal?

It's just vanish right

Honest to God could be high mountain sub