pvp

[dark moon]

races doesnt matter in this context

[sharp sierra]

[static holly]

In midnight you have to pay $5 every time you meld

When creating a NE you have to add your CC details

😄

[dark moon]

yoo guys i dont usually brag about things, but we managed to kill dimi mythic first pull of the night after many, many wipes

[spring bough]

Comp stomp is back right now

[static holly]

Free honor levels

[lone jasper]

Its a must have mount. Congrats

[dark moon]

its lucky cause its personal loot

[static holly]

How do you handle honor normally? Put it on alts and use it on your main(s) for sockets or grind it slowly each season for each char? Sell gems?

[lone jasper]

Ye mythic dimensius isnt easy 😆 killed him on heroic at the start of season and 2 bosses on mythic thats all.

He drops one mount ye?

Mount is super cool looking

[dark moon]

3 mounts

[static holly]

Do you think 9x sockets are worth it? Isn't 2-3 enough, just for the establishments

Kalvish has only 2

Ok, my math wasn't off... Sell early get rich in midnight 👍

[dark moon]

for my alts i go with 1 socket for precog and 1 to proc dmg embelishment if its not a healer alt. for my main i have 3 sockets in total

dont think it matters that much (might be wrong ofc) but the enduring bloodstone for 5% stun reduction

and 1 gem to proc the thingy

[static holly]

It's just min/maxing but that 1k mastery doesn't change much I think.

But thanks. Good to know not to waste honor next time

I might go alchemy this time for the longer lasting honor and make some money this time.

[potent pivot]

Full sockets is around ~1% more dps

Has been really minimal this expansion

[spring bough]

You excited for midnight PvP yet

[potent pivot]

[stoic spruce]

It'll be like wrath but combo points aren't cringe

[wanton breach]

That’s an optimistic sentiment?

[stoic spruce]

Not really no

It's the truth

[spring bough]

Bro could u imagine if CPs reverted back to per target 😂

[stoic spruce]

I'd lose my cool

[spring bough]

They’d give us the redirect spell at least but you’d have to remember to press it 😭

[hazy monolith]

good idea, also delete dual wield

[jaunty osprey]

i got it too

best mount in-game

[potent pivot]

Is this one CE only

Or is it gonna be farmable in a couple expansions

[spring bough]

P sure that’s just the boss drop one so should be farmable even in midnight with some legacy LFG action

[potent pivot]

Wouldn’t the drop chance be 1% for 1 mount next expac

Like they usually turn off the 2-3 per kill

[spring bough]

I think so. Been trying in amirdrasil mythic for that one and seen quite a few people get it

[potent pivot]

It’s “only” 4.5m to grab one rn

[spring bough]

And a wow tokens what 300k right now just about

[grave basin]

Just wait for one more expac

Even the amirdrassil one is kinda sketchy to get now

1% chance to drop then you still have to roll for it

[spring bough]

$300 in wow tokens just about if you want 😂

[grave basin]

Midnight comes and amirdrassil becomes legacy

Much easier to farm

[spring bough]

Good thing I got the skip unlocked and a ton of alts 😂

[potent pivot]

Fuck that I’ve still got a lotta gold left over from boosting though

[spring bough]

Legacy on prepatch or midnight release day

[potent pivot]

I’m prolly gonna buy remix lvl boosts and snag a few of the remix mogs

[grave basin]

Probably a month into midnight

[potent pivot]

Shits cheap af

[grave basin]

Buy ??

Brother just afk in raids

[potent pivot]

[grave basin]

Legit I'm not joking

[spring bough]

Remix takes like 1 hour to 80 if that

[potent pivot]

I haven’t touched remix yet

[spring bough]

Don’t matter it’ll still be fast with all the raids out

[potent pivot]

Orly

[spring bough]

Just hit everything on normal

Maybe do a tank first

[grave basin]

There's so many people soloing raids

You just afk at the entrance

They won't even care

[potent pivot]

Ic

[spring bough]

Like 3+ levels every boss that dies

[potent pivot]

No wonder it’s only like 18k per raid

[spring bough]

Then you get a bonus xp item in ur bags and boom another 3+ levels

[grave basin]

Don't ever pay lol

[potent pivot]

I’ll see how it goes when I actually get onto it

[spring bough]

For remix??? Just hit lfg normal find a max ilvl carry dude and rock with him lol

[grave basin]

I got a +30 for free

From the cleef

And a +50 from some rando

People just boost for free cause why not

[potent pivot]

Ic

[jaunty osprey]

2.5-3M atm!!

but yeah, not CE only - so no rush

but 100% 3 mounts drop if you kill this xpac

otherwise 1% later on

[grave basin]

Only 100 dollars aye

[jaunty osprey]

I mean

you can't look at gold that way

I make in-game gold through playing daily and not through tokens

I was flipping Vicious Bloodstones during the .5 and .75 patch

[potent pivot]

Oh fr? I was looking at WM and saw 4.5

For 2.5 I might do that shit

[potent pivot]

Ain’t no way man

You can easily make multiple max gold stacks every season if you boost

[grave basin]

How tf you guys making millions

[jaunty osprey]

I made 5M in the past week doing glad boosts

[grave basin]

Yea not all of us are boosters

[jaunty osprey]

but throughout the xpac

[grave basin]

[jaunty osprey]

I did professions

Enchanting was easy

[grave basin]

Professions to hard me dumb

[jaunty osprey]

log on

make 10k per char each day just using concentration

10 chars

100k a day

[potent pivot]

You prolly could be

[grave basin]

Hell naw dawg I'm shit ass lol

[potent pivot]

If u can get elite in shuffle u can do 1800 boosts in 2s for ppl

[jaunty osprey]

and then when you have more gold

[potent pivot]

It’s easy af

[jaunty osprey]

I bought like

5M worth of vicious bloodstones throughout the dead periods of the season

and then sold it when .5 patch dropped

[grave basin]

Who tf buys 1800 boosts in the big 26

Shuffle is free 1800

[potent pivot]

Every season I’ve done boosts I’ve made like 6-10m

[potent pivot]

You’d be surprised

[grave basin]

Wait

I'm hard rn

[gleaming sentinel]

I always carry a few guildies in 2s for consumables and they get their xmog

[grave basin]

You just advertise on trade?

[potent pivot]

Yes lol

[grave basin]

How much to boost

[potent pivot]

There’s communities set up too but I don’t fuck with em

They’re technically tos

[grave basin]

Yea I'm aware of those goblins

But how much do you ask for

[potent pivot]

Depends on the time of the season but

[grave basin]

Like right now with max inflation

[potent pivot]

Usually like 200-300k/hr or 1.5-2m for 1800 full stop

[grave basin]

TWO MILLION GOLD??

[potent pivot]

Some people are really bad so 1800 takes ages

[grave basin]

people pay two fucking million?

For a 1800 mog?

[potent pivot]

Yes lol

[grave basin]

Ok I'll try it tonight

[gleaming sentinel]

assa prretty good carry spec rn too

[potent pivot]

Sometimes you gotta be patient

Depending on ur server too

[grave basin]

Do you get them to pay upfront ?

Or after the 1800

Or after the hour

Etc

[potent pivot]

Depends

Some people do either or

Upfront or half first half after, etc etc

[spring bough]

By the hour so if u get a really bad one u still get something instead of nothing lol

[grave basin]

@spring bough We've been buying tokens for no reason

[potent pivot]

Dummies

[spring bough]

I aent got the time or patience to do boosting lol

[potent pivot]

I’ve talked about this a lot I’m surprised you haven’t already been on this

[grave basin]

Bro what else am I gonna do this late in the season

I was so bored yestd I did glory raid achievements

Ok I know what I'm doing tonight

[gleaming sentinel]

yea im finishing up df meta achievee for the vault decor lol

[grave basin]

I can't finish mine cause I can't do the soup event solo

That's one of the last few ones I need

[gleaming sentinel]

i jus tneed chen stormstout photo and one of the fishing holes to spawn

[grave basin]

Yea DF one is ass

It's just rng ontop of rng

Like the storms

Tww meta one is a joke compared to DF

I did the whole ecodome shit thinking it was gonna be in the meta

[spring bough]

https://x.com/bbmezzy/status/2008832780093063576?s=46&t=YKaisWqFkCTf8y-DfuEaHw

Mezzy (@BBMezzy)

Comp Stomp is up this week and it counts towards the PvP decor achievements for instanced PvP content!

X · Jan 7, 2026, 9:27 AM

[jaunty osprey]

arcane assa presvoker

feels so fun

been queuing it in 3s

for r1 push

[spring bough]

Sounds like infinite CC

Every enemy just immobilized for you lol

[gleaming sentinel]

I did some arcane outlaw recently, most fun I’ve had all expac

[jaunty osprey]

outlaw is the perf support for arcane

[wanton breach]

@jaunty osprey do you do any context specific swaps between inevitable end and destiny defined in 3s/shuffle?

[potent pivot]

pretty sure you just pick one n play it

don't think thats changed since i last played at least

one is more Coin damage, one is a bit more focused on the KB global itself

[static holly]

Looked up some old leaks and with midnight we should get amani trolls for horde and high elves for alliance. Also they claimed night elves and high elves can be paladins. On horde ud can be Pala.
Also again a lot classic server additions, TBC goes till woltk and will be permanent. Mop will also stay permanently.
New sod version and classic+ (called infinite?). C+ will be announced on blizzcon 26 and released 27 but will cost extra (per season like a seasons pass).
New class and so one... 😵‍💫
Not much more details to midnight besides more customization options like beards for trolls etc

[potent pivot]

a lot of leaks are fake

aren't we just getting haranir or somethin

[static holly]

True, but not everything is or was wrong

Like the roadmap leaks

[potent pivot]

iirc that was confirmed to be fan made

at least thats what i heard from a few ppl

[static holly]

Either way it would not change much in terms of pvp or for rogues. Only wanted to look if there is anything new

[potent pivot]

nothing too interesting it seems

[wanton breach]

1% dmg against feral druids and hunter pets Pog

[potent pivot]

they have unique totems and druid forms

thats kinda nifty ig

[static holly]

Wasn't my taste. Engineer in gw2 was way more fun

My brain is against playing as a cat or similar 😄

[potent pivot]

yea i don't like em thematically, but feral can be fun at times

it's basically just a kitten version of assa

[jolly sierra]

*improved and unnerfed assa

[static holly]

Pfff

There is only one king

@potent pivot based on the leaks illidian is the "last titan" and will replace sargeras in the last expansion of the souls saga.
I'm 0 into lore and have no plan what it means 🤣

All I care about is to stab someone down with my rogue

[wanton breach]

will honor carry over into next expansion btw?

considering saving up instead of splurging on gems

[static holly]

No

Only between seasons

You can hoard honor in s1 and gear day 1 in s2 and immediately start playing rated content if you don't want to lose time

Or even further and hoard more honor and buy sockets too

professions looked similar again so it's safe to assume it will be more or less 1:1 to midnight

[empty copper]

can anyone tell me how do you damage as assa outside kingsbane and deathmark

i feel like i do 0 damage outside of it

i maintain my garrote and rupture on 2 targets with crimson tempest but my envenoms deal 2m dmg outside of DM/CB

and sometimes i feel like i worry too much for keeping CT up instead of hitting envenoms

this is the build im playing

[dark moon]

bleed them with crimson if they are stacked

keep up rupture as well, but main dmg comes from kb

its more of a disrupt the enemy/negate dmg and wait until kingsbane unless your teammates are setting up a kill and you can contribue with some envenoms (assuming this is shuffle)

if the bad guys are not overly pushing and allow it, you can go for restealths and bigger garrotes

[true warren]

are enhance shams absolutely OP in a 1v1 situation or was that guy i dueled on my sub, fury and BDK just insanely good?

On my sub i'd say i d well in a 1v1 because i understand how make them bleed out their CD's until i can just burst them down which even works on rets but i didn't even had the slightest chance against that enhance in world pvp

[wanton breach]

man i'm playing like ass and farming 2-4 shuffles

[dark moon]

Pepperidge farm remembers duels

[true warren]

yeah front of main city duels are dead but there are some nice 1v1 situations in ope world pvp

[dark moon]

okay then disarm him durin ascendance

[dark moon]

comp stomp bugged for other people on EU?

[jolly sierra]

guys, a friend got banned moments ago and said it was for "TOS breaking" literally just played with me legion remix xd, so, what would be the real reason? she showed me the screenshot and there is not specification xdd

[jaunty osprey]

Just play Destiny Defined, it’s easier to play

and it gives you an execute button if anyone ever drops below 35%

Macro Cold Blood and your Badge trinket into Kingsbane

and press when someone is sub 35% with Shiv on them and it’s basically a Touch of Death

[gusty hedge]

FRIEND should check his email associated with that bnet

[jolly sierra]

u said was unusual log activity?

xdd

[gusty hedge]

hopefully he doesnt get perma banned ! if the log in activity was during raids or rated pvp, blizz dnt play

[potent pivot]

Someone might be trying to hack them

[jolly sierra]

just played remix, that surprises me

[jolly sierra]

think so

[potent pivot]

That or just a mistake possibly

[jolly sierra]

i hope they specifies the reason

because if is a unusual log activity

the appeal will be HARD

[potent pivot]

I don’t think so

Unusual login activity is usually just then locking the account because they think someone is trying to hack it

[jolly sierra]

use AI translating, there is nothing personal there, just the description

[potent pivot]

Like if it was a ban for piloting I don’t think it would say unusual log in activity

The person just needs to log into bnet and check their log in activity, change their password maybe, check their security etc

[potent pivot]

I’m at work can’t do all that atm

[jolly sierra]

kk

[jolly sierra]

hmmmm

we will see tomorrow

but the reason is VERY generic

[potent pivot]

Do they use a VPN?

It’s not super common but I’ve seen that cause “unusual log in activity” in the past

[sharp sierra]

I have IDA pro, debugger, etc

Other fun stuff

Vpns

More fun stuff

It sounds like they were 100% getting hacked if you can confirm they aren’t a cheater

If they use a Gmail account have them log into their emails and check recent login attempts

VPN should never trigger that for wow unless they tried making a purchase with a card not associated with their original region

[potent pivot]

It can happen

[half delta]

gang

[potent pivot]

Gratz

[half delta]

(i didnt even play rogue)

[potent pivot]

Sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do

[wanton breach]

thanks for the advice

[jolly sierra]

she? no, we play as usual tbh, no need for anything else

[static holly]

FYI - Doing chomp stomp as horde gives you a 50% more honor buff

[thin grove]

In TBC with the change on stun for orc. Is undead the superior horde race now? I havent played for years

[static holly]

For horde orc is still the better pick

But nothing wrong when you play ud

[thin grove]

Is it better than undead fear allover?

[static holly]

Depends, when u only face other rogues... No

Even be is valid

[thin grove]

Silence vs stun resist vs break fear

[static holly]

I would go orc as I most likely will be a rogue meta

Ud is also good against all the priests

[thin grove]

Hard choice tbh

[jolly sierra]

gotta confirm in late morning, there is something clearly i dont know, but i am very very sure was a hacked access

[static holly]

True... But go by style / mogs maybe if it helps

[thin grove]

Which one has an edge PvE?

[static holly]

Same choice

Ud or orc

[thin grove]

You are not making it easier for me

[stoic spruce]

Listen

Let me give you the best advice

Or argument rather

https://tenor.com/view/undead-world-of-warcraft-rogue-gif-15630098097685284776

This shit goes hard af

You're welcome

[sharp sierra]

Holy fuck my eyes

[stoic spruce]

Weeds out the weak

[sharp sierra]

Jesus Christ I need to go to bed that made me feel something

[stoic spruce]

It's pretty hot yeah

[sharp sierra]

Feel like I just got sand thrown at me but yes it’s hot indeed

This expac I went NE

The alliance is dookie

Why the hell is there so many turns in their capital

I will say in BGs they communicate a lot. I love just saying “you guys don’t just fight road?” While my name is literally “hordespy”

[static holly]

Horde has faster queues

Or go merc mode for unrated

But actually doesn't matter you will end up facing premades that farm u

[sharp sierra]

Nah I miss my undeads knee caps showing

https://tenor.com/view/forest-gump-gif-13173851613617019675

[potent pivot]

In tbc..?

[potent pivot]

I’m pretty sure it’s undead unless I missed something, but I’m definitely no classic expert. This isn’t really the server for that

[thin grove]

Ok cheers. This is the disc wowhead gives you tho

[potent pivot]

On classic rogue pages?

[static holly]

Y. He asked for tbc

[potent pivot]

They likely just default to the retail class discords across the board then if I had to guess, we have a #classic-discussion channel but it’s very dead. There’s some classic rogue servers linked in the pins of that channel though

[potent pivot]

Kk was jw, I thought it was still undead tbh

[static holly]

Ud or orc

Both solid picks.

But everyone will play either rogue or priest 😄

[hazy monolith]

as assa do you crimson tempest in the opener?

[potent pivot]

you CT if you can hit 2 or more targets, including pets

getting your garrote and ruptures is higher prio

[hazy monolith]

but you dont reapply it like never, right? so all dots x1 then envenom

[potent pivot]

you just refresh your bleeds as you always would

either in their pandemic time or w/e

bleeds only do bleed dmg, not instant dmg. though you have to keep in mind that spreading to more targets also = more compounding dmg

[hazy monolith]

what is the most efficient way to keep track of dots? just looking at nameplates?

[potent pivot]

ye. get betterblizzplates/betterblizzframes

loads of easy cusomization and preloaded profiles as well

[hazy monolith]

is fan of knives more efficient at generating CPs at >=2 targets?

than mutilate

[potent pivot]

not exactly

but that isn't the entire story either

FoK costs less energy, does similar dmg to mutilate, and spreads poisons which is important

so we use FoK a lot more than mutilate these days

basically use mutilate if you don't want to break nearby CC or if you are stuck on 1 target at the time

[hazy monolith]

icic thats great advice thank you a lot

weighing up exactly how to use the limited mobility seems quite complex to me. like do I use mobility for dot upkeep on all targets or just for setups

I only have some kind of exp on outlaw

[potent pivot]

that one is super situational really, but it'd probably be best to try and learn good step->kick/step->CC etc

vs some things you'll have to use mobility differently

[static holly]

Rogue so far looks decent

But nvm, it doesn't need to be OP to get my love

Would still play if we are F tier. Idgaf

[stoic spruce]

Speak your truth king

[static holly]

Any recently farmed madalav for the blades back transmog?

On wowhead they claim you could spawn him and farm him with alts. Doesn't work for me

[lone jasper]

Me, u have to get 3 lvl of anima -covenant reservoir dont remeber the name of it. It needs 10k anima for 3lvl and, rare dropped the back from the first kill

[static holly]

Upgraded it to 3 a few days ago and killed im 2-3 times. No luck yet but nvm, I parked one my rogues there and will farm him

2-3 IDs and Im also done with fangs of father (lego daggers)

Goblin with warglaives looks pretty nice

[lone jasper]

Im farming - Mantle of Burnished Blades

This different color for more than 1 month already

[static holly]

Hm ok... Gl us

[dark moon]

Can you show the transmog? Can't remember find it

[dark moon]

It took me 3 weeks with 8 chars so gl

[dark kernel]

Long time old friends

[lone jasper]

Which one? Its same as mantle of burnished blades but a red one. Ill make a screenshot in 5 min

[lone jasper]

Oh shit 🤦‍♂️

[lone jasper]

Madalav drops this one - Mantle of the Forgemaster's Dark Blades

[dark moon]

got 3 of those so we gucci - burnished blades, dark blades, crimson blades

missing only court blades - says vendor, but its meh so we are gucci again on this fine friday

[lone jasper]

ye there are 3 of them, im trying to get one from broken mirrors now xD

i got one from vendor, another from madalav and trying to get from broken mirrors, dont know about 4

[lone jasper]

wow, looks cool gotta check it

[spring bough]

The back blades always 🔥

[dark kernel]

long time man

[wet crown]

Looking at those changes for next week and just wondering who has ever been killed by a shadow bolt since cata

[spring bough]

Coming back for midnight?

[dark kernel]

Ive been back I just left this discord

I was being too aids, negative, in chat I didn't like bringing down the mood routinely

[jolly sierra]

i am sure the first appeal will be denied, so i gotta open a ticket myself by saying her battletag there and ask for manual reviewing, not to get the lifting itself

she had like 30 remaining game days, so

rlly hate how botted the customer service turned into xd, you always get a bot rn in the first ticket xd

[sharp sierra]

Did she ever check about her actually sign in attempts on all her stuff? That’s the first major thing I would do

Even if and I’m not saying it was, cheating would still warrant a actual human response after requesting more information

[jolly sierra]

we are watching the first appeal attempt, so we gotta wait

but i think it matters, but i was her guide mentor (yes, i watch the murloc icons on heads) and can ensure was only with me, or just going LFG in the finder for remix dungeons xd

[lone jasper]

I couldn’t read it properly at first because I was doing something else, but yeah, I checked that transmog and it really doesn’t look like anything special. I was also trying to figure out whether the covenant reservoir carries over to alts, and apparently it doesn’t. When you said you were doing it with 8 alts, it gave me the idea too, but I’ll probably have to do it on just one character again. I really don’t have the energy to fill the reservoir on other alts from scratch 😅

[dark moon]

i played SL a lot and had more than 150k anima

[static holly]

@lone jasper I think it has something to do with phasing. In the past you could spawn him and relog on an alt. Kill,.spawn and repeat this till you got the desired loot you wanted

[dark moon]

was just transferring to alts and couple of days to up everything and do the storyline

[static holly]

This clearly doesn't work anymore

There is a lvl60 renown skip you could buy and transfer the anima to the char you want to push. But it's only 4k per char you could generate. It's only 10min work but you would still need a few hours and alts

I will also just park my rogue there and kill him once a day. We will see

@lone jasper you can also park a char to farm https://www.wowhead.com/item=184154/grungy-containment-pack

Took me 2 weeks to get it

The necrolords (pact) set was also really nice and a good match for it

[lone jasper]

storyline can be skipped, i did it easily but unfortunately reservoir is not shared between characters.

@static holly tbh, i thought madalav was always dropping from the first kill. But broken mirror chests are hard grinding

[empty copper]

sorry for many questions

how do i make kingsbane deal 1000% damage

[static holly]

Yes, only the first kill per day grants loot

[jolly sierra]

do it at 35% or less HP

so it triggers from zoldyck's talent which does even more dmg

[empty copper]

so use it as execute

?

when i do my opener with shiv > deathmark and cb envenom spam in smokebomb and when target is 35% hp into kingsbane

[jolly sierra]

wat

[empty copper]

so i hold kingsbane til my target drops to 35% hp ?

to get best value out of it

[jolly sierra]

ye

[wintry dew]

how do you make it do 1000% dmg? you keep auto attacking the target

"Each time you apply a lethal poison to a KB target, dmg increases by 20%, up to 1000%"

[potent pivot]

No

You are not going to always hold KB until the target is under 35%

And like Royal was saying, the 1000% refers to the max damage tick, if you continuously reapply poisons to the target via auto attacks/etc. KB’s damage ramps up based on the poison applications

[dark kernel]

naw man you gotta shove that shit when you got everything rolling

on CD or damn near

[jolly sierra]

shoving it in 35% with shiv kills

u slap it off and boom dead

[potent pivot]

Sub 35% is opportune usage, but that doesn’t mean you just hold it until someone is sub 35%

[jolly sierra]

ah ye

indeed

but is better to use it there

i say

xd

[potent pivot]

It is good to use it there, but you can’t sit on your KB until it happens

I just wanted to make sure they knew that if they are learning lol

[jolly sierra]

tbh, i forgot since how much time ago i stopped playing rated

but i think gotta just reach 1k8 w rogue and leave, the set is awful in midnight s1

the elite tint i say

[potent pivot]

Yep

The glad mount looks decent at least

[jolly sierra]

ye

sorry, gotta betray u guys beyond 1k8

gotta pick the ret again

unless the rog remains good

how beta does look for assa lol

[dark kernel]

Please let it be shadowlands poverty tier

Next season is my hail Mary last go

Until the year 2050 when they make gladiator 1800

[jolly sierra]

wait till 2030

[potent pivot]

I think this is it

[jolly sierra]

bet gotta be at 1k6

[potent pivot]

And they dropped it to 2.3k right

[jolly sierra]

ye the elite

if they could did it in df s4 when i tryharded to attempt 2k4

i would be already multielite too

lol

[dark kernel]

It is but that is the old lower resolution image. It actually looks white up close and hi res

Here's the thing. Dropping the rating to 2.3 isn't really a big deal but with the fact that Mists once again has been a let down classic xpac, pvp in classic kind of being in the dark for the future, and the news on addon pruning, it makes a great storm for a surprisingly populated first season

It's kind of one of those things, where if people buy into the hype that it's easier, it will in fact be easier.

All that stuff to do is wait and press queue

This season I actually skipped shuffle for a lot of it for real 3s

[potent pivot]

[dark kernel]

hold on

[potent pivot]

Ye ik but it’s better than nothing if they aren’t going to fix the damn rating system

[dark kernel]

I think the orange is a WoWhead error

[dark kernel]

I know man

trust me, im old. I want one mount

Almost everyone in my guild who tried for glad this season got it

but they're all playing cupid or PHDK so....kinda figure.

[jolly sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/dumping-trash-daniel-labelle-frustrated-garbage-trash-gif-27186872

why not dark blue or black

[hazy monolith]

well ret has only 1 dmg cooldown left in midnight xd

[hybrid palm]

Boom

[amber raven]

how many games, how much time in que, how can i also be a winner

[hybrid palm]

311 games for blitz, i spent most of the season playing feral druid, had reached 2100 on blitz with rogue within 4-5 weeks of season.
queue times are random, if it says 7-8 minutes it's usually high traffic period (but doesn't necessarily mean evenly matched teams).
i also don't use any addons for pvp, so blitz was only way to climb where things can get chaotic. solo shuffle is just an addon game, imo.

[hybrid palm]

don't chat and argue with people, just play the map the way you feel most comfortable. i never went on sides for instance on the map that has market flag in mid, with quarry shrine farm ruins etc. i always went mid and brawled.

[hybrid palm]

and yes, there are many throws and win trading healer groups, anybody who says nobody win trades at "low rank" is lying/gaslighting. EU at least is pollulated with very questionable plays, unless people play drunk

[hybrid palm]

204 games, played, not 311. 107 wins.

[waxen meteor]

farming gear from blitz for alt rogue, trying to queue solo after fully geared...

then..

[hazy monolith]

as a new assa player i gotta say waiting for root dispell feels worse than on many other melee classes

[wanton breach]

sometimes it never comes

[hazy monolith]

i make the error to track dispell and freedom

im like

[dark kernel]

In shuffle you get free restealth all the time. All the cupid and unholy/Mm teams though in ladder........dear God.

[hazy monolith]

Facing Unholy mm vw is like storming the Normandy coast on d-day

[static holly]

https://tenor.com/view/frozen-elsa-let-it-go-gif-20077821

[grim sequoia]

How are we feeling about midnight pvp? Outlaw seems fun

[dark moon]

with does it get 2 charges of cheapshot in subterfuge or whatever like sub gets or is like assa with 1 cheap

[hazy monolith]

Outlaw one cheap

Plus bottom of the damage. It feels very brawly to me and very low pressure

[sharp sierra]

So exactly the same, cool

Sounds like we should nerf coin damage by 33% again

[hazy monolith]

I had a duel against a sub in arena with supatease and he was laughing on stream as it looked like a bar fight

[sharp sierra]

I can’t decide between outlaw or sub this expac. Really bored of sin

[hazy monolith]

Feel you. I may be crying again but every class feels so empty now idk.

Holy priest is the pinnacle of prune it’s so funny

[sharp sierra]

It’s gonna be a good bit before people get used to the new flow. Totally fair to not enjoy it

As a classic wow hater I’m surprised I’m happy with the slower gameplay. I know as a healer alt the games gonna feel more fun instead of “oh they pressed one of their 5 oh shit cooldowns before I did gg”

[hazy monolith]

The latest beta patch turned up the speed/pace quite a bit. We’ll have to see what the next patches bring

Also testing is kinda whatever since everyone and their grandma uses bugged higher itemlvl gear

[obsidian pulsar]

that are que problems, dont even have a avg que pop time cause its not 11pm

[spring bough]

waiting for infinity minutes

[obsidian pulsar]

yea the problem is mmr is too high and everyone just plays when Avi is playing and he never starts before 9-10 pm cause he sleeps the whole day and plays during night with early morning nights NA

its rly bad for EU queue times

[opal prawn]

/macros

[potent pivot]

[molten hedge]

playing assa boomie hpri (was rsham but our healers better at priest). we topped out at 2250cr any tips to try and do a final glad push? i usually send vanishes pretty quickly with incarn/treants to keep momentum going lately and usually save blind for big cds bc trueshot hurts

[static holly]

State of now sub will be the best spec for rogues in midnight

Also the easiest spec to play

[spring bough]

void disc is so broken

[static holly]

VW was always fun and is still fun in midnight

[spring bough]

5-1'd this lobby

[static holly]

So be prepared to face them again 😵‍💫

[spring bough]

almost 1900 on void disc

and i dont even have 4 set yet lol

[static holly]

https://tenor.com/view/lasers-concert-lights-gif-5102526

[spring bough]

finally just got conq wep off this lobby too

[static holly]

Cg

Aoe Void shields are super cool

In midnight

You don't need to cast Atonement. You straight go for dps

[spring bough]

i just shield/renew

and dps

mouseover shield and renew so fun. stay on dps target and just pump

[static holly]

Yes. As of now but in midnight you only dps and spam aoe shields

More DMG bigger shields

[spring bough]

crazy

so they made it easier

[static holly]

A lot

[spring bough]

its such a tease when the que pops and instantly some1 declines

[static holly]

How many alts of a class do you have? Multiple rogues and just one char for your alt?

[dark kernel]

I made one of these for fun, I want to try fucking around. Do you have any just absolute BASIC stuff you could point me to?

Like all my UI is for dps so I don't even know changes for uhh healing

[neon jasper]

How does outlaw look on beta? Is it fun etc?

[dark kernel]

All I saw is they gave us Preparation back SOMETIME and that looks insane

Looks like we lost greenskins

[neon jasper]

Really? OG preparation?

Is it baseline?

[dark kernel]

Lol no it's an end talent but it's not in a terrible spot

You can run....Ambush/prep/killing spree outlaw, or some version of keep it rolling/preparation/killing spree

It's in the old greenskins spot

[neon jasper]

I haven’t seen anything just asking for TLDR do u like it?

Like is it still fun the rotation etc

And the cheapshot change

[spring bough]

rogue like 5 and i did hunt, DH, ret, priest, DK, all for the elite set

[spring bough]

void disc? make a mouseover for shield/renew/lesser heal and just keep your hover over the part frame to hit ur two dps

then i just spam the dps kill target the whole time

and save the CDs for oh shit situations

[static holly]

@neon jasper they simplifed roll the bones and it can roll 4 bonuses and Adrenaline Rush has a consistent duration but provides a bigger boost while active.
It's decent, all rogue spec are ok. Nothing op but all are easier to play. But outlaw and assa are still harder to master

I found it boring and grappling hook is super slow.

[formal pebble]

Does season end this tues or the 20th?

With prepatch right?

[static holly]

Assa might be tough with less energy and energy regen

[static holly]

Yes, with the pre patch

[formal pebble]

Thanks

Just 20 pts to go, so close

[static holly]

U have 9d 22h+

[formal pebble]

Ive been stuck at the last jump, just win loss win loss win loss, so gaining like 1-2 pts. every 2 games kinda misery

[dark kernel]

thats the stuff

[static holly]

Don't Stress it. Still time to finish

[neon jasper]

Thanks brah

[formal pebble]

[static holly]

@neon jasper I don't mind because I'm a diehard rogue fan ok but they are pretty lost in my opinion. Each spec is like we remove everything and center it around talent X like rtb for outlaw

@formal pebble go go. Line up

[neon jasper]

But now u gonna just yolo bones on CD?

No reason to not roll since before u cared about buffs

[static holly]

@neon jasper https://www.wowhead.com/news/disarmament-streamlining-and-energy-first-impression-of-midnight-outlaw-rogue-379016#outlaw-rogue-in-midnight-so-far

It's no longer RNG based. In short

[neon jasper]

Ye if its no longer RNG and u will get more each time u roll

Logically u would press it on CD

Big -1 braincell lets go

[static holly]

That was the plan

[sharp sierra]

Whenever the Que for blitz gets rejected 10x during off hours I know I’m going to have a great time against really fair players 👍🏽

[formal pebble]

Bless you for the encouragement, just played probably my two best games in the season back to back. Ended a twin peaks with keeping 2 druids cc'd for 20 seconds a foot from our flag for our fc to cap it in frount of them.

[ivory radish]

gz! I wish RBGs were more popular than they are (and the community was better than it was).

I was that weirdo back in the day suggesting wargames for team practices to work on strats/coordination/get the team better but nobody else really was into that.

[hazy monolith]

lmao

[outer sky]

this poor guy lol

System Shock was 13.5% more envenom damage that go

[fallen scaffold]

just came back from season 2ish, whats changeed in assa? we didnt ahve cold blood before, is it macrod with tea and when are we popping it? before deathmark >shiv> envemon i take it?

oh were taking kb again i see

and are we no longer ambushing from stealth because were playing fatebound now

[potent pivot]

we did have cold blood

[fallen scaffold]

maybe we wernt takin it back then

whens it popped rn?

[potent pivot]

just macro it to kb

[fallen scaffold]

yup thats what i did, is it still deathmark before kb

[potent pivot]

ye

[fallen scaffold]

word

macro it with badge too im assuming

[outer sky]

You can safely macro cold blood, thistle tea, and badge trinket to Kingsbane but you still need tea on its own button. Sometimes you'll want to tea without kingsbane but youll never want to kingsbane without tea

[potent pivot]

ye

[hidden moth]

guys wtaf
first game on this toon this season

[fallen scaffold]

and since were fate now i dont really see any reason to press ambush?

[hidden moth]

no

never a point

never a point as deathstalker outsiode applying mark

[hidden moth]

bro and my mmr only going down by like 100 per match

give me fucking 1800 games dawg

[spring bough]

1800s pretty much the lowest mmr I got on the disc from 0-1900 CR 😂

Felt like it couldn’t go under lmao

[hidden moth]

rip

like

why am i going 2-4 in 2300 mmr full honor gear 0 enchants

and only 300 cr

after 4 games

[jaunty osprey]

yawn

this game sucks

CANT WAIT FOR MIDNIGHT

[spring bough]

i wnet 3-3 and 2-4 all the way till 1800 CR.... didnt get a 4-2 or 5-1 till after lol

[spring bough]

https://www.reddit.com/r/worldofpvp/s/YYBmzjRj50

lol

[hidden moth]

72 rounds played

at 2200+ fucking rating

mmr

and still not 1800

fuck is this shit

[hidden moth]

gonna be trash tbh

more complexity in classic rotations than midnight

[hidden moth]

bro shits soooo ass man

[static holly]

@lone jasper got the blades 🎉 👌

[lone jasper]

Congrats ! 😎

[static holly]

Ty

[hidden moth]

just short of 80 rounds played later

[static holly]

Cg

[jaunty osprey]

At least there will be weekly PVE changes that affect PVP

[static holly]

Hopefully they adjust energy gains from talents or something

[hidden moth]

true

cant wait for assa to be just

press mutilate

press envenom

press mutilate

envenom

[static holly]

More or less.... garrote/rupture uptime is even more important

4 energy per tick / target

Was 8 and we don't have such a big energy pool anymore

Improved garrote is kinda silly in terms of their class change policies

[twin wren]

Quick one... I have a friend that plays DH only and my other friend is a healer (druid/priest/shaman).

Can rogue work? Ass rogue? If so, how viable and what's the key components?

Currently running DK with them but I just love rogue.

[static holly]

Not really, but don't nail me on it. DK, hunter, ret, bomkin will work better

Otherwise just play for fun and what you want?

[hazy monolith]

Didn’t have the chance to test yet - what did assa lose?

[static holly]

Indiscriminate Carnage, but you can apply with with CT. But the costs are high and should not be spammed unnecessarily.

Path of blood gives only 50 additional energy

No silence from garrote

4 energy only for garrote or rupture tick

It's a simplified and similar spec. But without that burst

Maybe it's better with the set bonus but it gives you more garrote DMG (2p) and 4p reduces the costs of some talents

So not sure, didn't test it

It's basically easier to spread poisons and blood without swapping targets

But CT costs 60 energy and you only have 150. Pooling and Auto attacks will be your best friends 😑

[twin wren]

Yeah, DK does seem to work the best. You reckon with the new DH spec it might change things?

[static holly]

The reworked skill-capped article page has listed some changes but not sure how accurate it is

DK is pretty unbalanced like always

And in the past they got nerfed (pretty hard) and it will happen most likely again

Don't know what comps will work in midnight

[hazy monolith]

iron wire still allows for garrote silence or?

[noble zodiac]

Yes but only for the original garrote. Not the ones applied from ct

[hazy monolith]

oh

[noble zodiac]

Feels like it is supposed to work so maybe they bug fix it

[lone goblet]

I've gotten so used to abusing Iron Wire silence all expansion that it's going to suck transitioning to midnight.

M+, Delves, PvP I use that shit constantly with IC spread

It honestly felt like class identity at this point. I don't think any other spec throws around silences so often.

[noble zodiac]

Dh or Pala tank maybe ^^

[lone goblet]

Pulling packs in delves I keep all the casters silenced for like the first 15 seconds. with reapplying garrotte when they start to cast.

[static holly]

Iron wire is gone @hazy monolith

[lone goblet]

Iron Wire is still there, just the aoe spread is gone.

[hazy monolith]

you mean in a future build?

because im ingame on beta right now theres where the screen is from

[static holly]

Oh damn you are right. Sorry

Moved position

Rejoice. There is hope

[hazy monolith]

all good bro

still crazy that assa has 0 ability prune

meanwhile the dh change results in 5 less abilities in pvp

figured this build for beta and thinking whether its worth to drop Rapid Injection for 1 wasted point into Amplifying Poison to get Avulsion? but dunno we spam envenom a lot

[static holly]

@hazy monolith not really. Single target abilities apply your Poison to nearby enemies

CT spreads over your dots

You could just tunnel one when they are crowded

33% reduced shadow step CD when target has garrote on it looks interesting

[hazy monolith]

You mean Caustic Splatter into Secondary Poisoning instead?

Because otherwise you would need FoK to crit to apply poisons to nearby enemies

[static holly]

Yes, secondary poisoning

Will try it tomorrow with deadly poison instead of wound. Not sure if deadly may be superior

[spring bough]

evo starting area without talents a vibe lol

azure strike spam all these mobs insta die lol

[static holly]

What you think will be the better pick for poisons in midnight? Deadly when against disc and wound against all others?

[hazy monolith]

And then you have to play hemotoxin or what?

[static holly]

Yes

Guess it will not work as for example feral has a pretty strong self heal 🫤

But disc will 90% only spam shields so wound psn doesn't make much sense. Depending on the comp... But nvm we will see

[hazy monolith]

Only oracle, vw heals most with atonement

[potent pivot]

i have a feeling wound is kinda irreplacable in pvp in most situations

[static holly]

Yep

[potent pivot]

unless they actually make poison dmg do something like back in SL or something

[static holly]

You get a lot of DMG buffs but needs to be tested

[potent pivot]

so is prepatch going to be like, over a month long this time?

idr how long it normally is

been seeing half of the wowhead spec reviews have been asking for better ways to track buffs/debuffs

not very confidence inspiring

[static holly]

4w normally but now 6

[jolly sierra]

weekauras will never be surprassed

it seems

[potent pivot]

or plater

also the addons healers use to track buffs on party members/raid frames

like half the articles were asking for better cooldown manager because it either doesn't show half the stuff you need, or the blizzard nameplates showing way too many debuffs.. not enough customization for raid frames, etc

[jolly sierra]

why blizz doesnt admits they cant mimic that stuff and just stop shutting off everything? lol

just admit they are better than you on that, guys

[jaunty osprey]

in prepatch, need to test the 4 poison build

or different envenom talents

and see if it's more impactful in pvp

[static holly]

All u need are kids around you to keep track with stopwatches

I may find time tomorrow and try ay

Again

[jolly sierra]

gotta bring my cat and ask her to meow when a guy bursts next to me in arena

[static holly]

@jaunty osprey Testing without DMG meters will be annoying. No real reliable way to track things

The in-game DMG meter sucks

[potent pivot]

a lot of early testing gets done by looking through the combat log anyway rly

idk if we still have access to look at it in midnight

i assume we do

[jaunty osprey]

and it's moreso based off of gameplay

to see how the meta is in midnight

for example, affliction warlock tops details by far

but they arent viable in 3s because the meta

is about big burst atm

so even if the standard stuff we've been playing all xpac does more overall damage, we dont know if that'll be better for the meta

and a perfect example of that is assa right now

deathstalker destroys fatebound in details damage, but fatebound PLAYS better for certain comps because you can instantly 40-0 someone with kingsbane

[static holly]

👍

Maybe there is an addon to export the combat log. Could run it through a DB and analyze faster via SQL bc I'm lazy 🤣

[potent pivot]

warcraftlogs.com

idk if WCL will be a thing in midnight though

ah, it will be

since it is about analyzing the combat log after the combat is over anyway

[static holly]

But not for hitting the dummies or?

[potent pivot]

You can log any combat

I’m just not sure how WCL would handle arena combat

[spring bough]

leveling a devo right now and realizing how OP these things are with CC immunes lol

[potent pivot]

I don’t think it has an avenue for it but idk I’ve never tried

[potent pivot]

The real problem with hitting dummies especially for pvp testing

Is the dummies don’t have vers and sometimes they don’t have proper pvp tuning applied

Like some abilities will still hit a pvp dummy with pve damage even if they’re supposed to be nerfed to 0.8 in pvp etc

[static holly]

Yeah I know

Their should be some kind of training room (instanced) where you select the desired configuration and can get reliable results

[potent pivot]

It would be nice if we could just hit a player with infinite health

Testing in duels and having to heal up to full after each is a pain

[static holly]

We should wait and let Ivan do the work

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-look-the-other-way-look-away-awkward-weird-gif-17246188

[potent pivot]

[static holly]

Yeah. Evoker is pretty nasty and you can easily get the elite set. Besides it's only shoulders and a belt 🤣

With the cc changes DRs will be fun

[jolly sierra]

dracthyr are the laziest race ever done design wise

they skipped all gender body traits

[static holly]

Too ugly. I couldn't play one

[jolly sierra]

and only let them wear too little stuff on dragon form

[static holly]

Yes

Maybe they get new customization options like trolls

[jolly sierra]

maybe they should improve their forest trolls

they seems to shove an orc there and just using makeup on them to make them looks "trollish enough"

[static holly]

Amani trolls will fill that gap

[gleaming sentinel]

Wish you could be like a more menacing dragon….

[spring bough]

visage should be pick any race in the game

[gleaming sentinel]

Scalie fanfic tho

[jolly sierra]

well, they did visages for almost every race

blizz is wasting chances

[jolly sierra]

the amani trolls in midnight are the ones looking like orcs

[static holly]

🫤

Lazy Design

[jolly sierra]

indeed, why tf they have smaller noses?

[spring bough]

are those orc?

[jolly sierra]

we can even say they are half if is out context

[outer sky]

@fathom crag I'm on beta. Can you give me the best assa pvp talent build youve come across so far?

[outer sky]

This is really shitty. It looks like the best assa build will require taking this talent but we cant even do anything with it

[static holly]

Not really, yes

The self heal might force us to stick to wound poison

[outer sky]

No I mean you literally need to take this and likely never use it just to access these good talents further down the tree

[jolly sierra]

he is talking about being forced to waste a talent point on an useless talent to get the best option

[static holly]

I know.

Like being forced to take tea

[outer sky]

oh shit they changed tea

its no longer a mastery buff??

when did that happen??

[potent pivot]

quite a while ago

[potent pivot]

also this isn't a hard requirement

you just skip the 20% rupture damage

venomous wounds -> x

[outer sky]

20% rupture damage sounds too good to skip

[potent pivot]

i don't think so

if bleeds aren't the bulk of your damage anymore

either way, just to make the last gate on the talent tree, you're gonna take something thats dogshit

[outer sky]

do you know if most people on beta are playing FB or DS?

[potent pivot]

just muck around with both

i don't think beta is in a stage where anything is tested enough to be 'best' rn

not without war games/live games

[jaunty osprey]

Nothing is worth testing atm

just a waste of time

so much will change during prepatch before the season even launches

[potent pivot]

also

there's so many talent points that like

[jaunty osprey]

But the best way to is to follow the PVE guides and sims

[potent pivot]

just take amp and DTB

[jaunty osprey]

for M+

[potent pivot]

there's like maybe 1 actual talent "choice" you're going to make on the spec tree imo

[jaunty osprey]

And we’d make some small adjustments based off of that

[potent pivot]

and that's Deadly Momentum/Avulsion

or DTB/Avulsion

cold blood and it's FB talents are also changed

[jaunty osprey]

It’s cool that we get caustic spatter now

[potent pivot]

ye i like that they took the deadly poison requirement off it

[static holly]

CMQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMzMjZzMAAAAAAmtZMbzAAAAAAaZZmxgZMmZmZMzyMGmZmZ8AzMMmxwADsBzY0YWAZbAbzwCwMDmZwMA

Maybe

[potent pivot]

this would be taking amp for no reason

but realistically its going to come down to tuning that we haven't gotten yet

KB+Envenom vs bleed

compared to TWW/DF, the tree is leaning much more towards envenom damage

[static holly]

Yes

[potent pivot]

you also didn't take KB, but took the last Implacable talent

[static holly]

But also garrote DMG, see set bonus

[potent pivot]

just depends on tuning

the 4 set already sounds kinda bad

bleeds are gonna be harder to spread because of the IC change

[outer sky]

I cant figure out how you did this

[jaunty osprey]

Wonder how good poison bomb is

[potent pivot]

that was without implacable talents - realized it after

[outer sky]

ah ok

i feel like spatter will be a nightmare with breaking CC

although idk if CC is even a thing in arena anymore

[jaunty osprey]

Doesnt break CC

[outer sky]

oh what

thats sick af

[jaunty osprey]

doesnt hit CCd targets

[outer sky]

Mmmmm dropping our execute

[jaunty osprey]

Take poison bomb or secondary poisoning

Over systemic failure

for that

[potent pivot]

if bleed damage is bad, you won't be executing much

[potent pivot]

ye true

will also just depend on the overall season's meta like you were saying earlier

[outer sky]

this left side look about right?

[potent pivot]

burst vs bleed

[jaunty osprey]

Scent of blood lowkey bad if not playing bleed spec

or like

not taking rupture talents

[outer sky]

oh can someone send the meld>stealth macro to me rq

[jaunty osprey]

thoughts?

[potent pivot]

agi is good regardless of build i think

but maybe

[jaunty osprey]

#showtooltip Shadowmeld
/stopattack
/cast !Shadowmeld
/cast [nocombat] !Stealth

[outer sky]

i think since we have to rupture anyway then we may as well get some main stat from doing it

[outer sky]

ty

[potent pivot]

ye we're def gonna spread bleeds for energy either way

energy is a lot slower

[wanton breach]

scent is a lot worse now

[potent pivot]

i'm prolly gonna buy midnight tmrw or the next day

to get on beta n stuff

[potent pivot]

how so

[wanton breach]

oh maybe I misread

[static holly]

I will try this tomorrow
CMQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYmZMbmhBAAAAAmtZMbzAAAAAAaZZmxAjxMzMjZWmZGmxMjxMMmZGGYgNYGjGzCIbDYbGbLAzMYmBzA

[wanton breach]

saw 2% per target at 2/2 talents invested

[potent pivot]

naw its 4 at 2/2

[wanton breach]

yeah I must have misread or maybe the wowhead tooltip didnt update properly

[jaunty osprey]

Need to see if 4 poisons sims higher w fate bound or DS

[potent pivot]

change SF for PB maybe

[outer sky]

how troll is this? i dropped double vanish and 1 point of subt, plus tea and 1 point of vigor to get fat envenoms

[outer sky]

I think if we're playing for envenoms then its DS all the way just because of Symbolic Victory

But if thats the case then this 4 set seems pretty irrelevant

[potent pivot]

i think the 4p is pretty bad unless those abilities actually do a good portion of dmg

[outer sky]

even 2p seems bad

[potent pivot]

energy economy is going to be rough but 10 off garrote is kinda small

2p is fine imo

[wanton breach]

that's like a set bonus from wotlk

[potent pivot]

we are kinda going back to wotlk/shadowlands assa

if the tuning is similar to SL after the stat squish

melees, poisons, muts/ambush maybe do actual portions of dmg

[wanton breach]

tbh I havent paid any attention to numbers on beta

[potent pivot]

me either

just saying that if its gonna be anything like SL, dmg from every source will matter a bit

compared to going all-in on one type of build

[wanton breach]

I would welcome a balance between bleeds and poisons but let's see

[static holly]

You will not be able to spam envenoms

[wanton breach]

maybe some weapon poisons build will rise

[outer sky]

@potent pivot you think its haste>crit or crit>haste?

[potent pivot]

both

[lime oar]

i think the answer is to go back to sub

[potent pivot]

haste is gonna matter slightly more in midnight than it has in tww

[outer sky]

I think its crit

[wanton breach]

i member when haste mattered for the full bleed build in df

[static holly]

Don't forget about your auto attack dmg

[outer sky]

the amount of impact a couple % points of haste has on our energy regen is trivial. Even when considering venemous wounds

but if you can roll a crit on an envenom after KB

that could be game winning

[potent pivot]

its not only about energy regen

[lime oar]

don’t ur bleeds proc faster

[outer sky]

yes

but if bleed damage is bad then who really cares ngl

[potent pivot]

because that rolls into more energy

every time you ask me about stats its like talking to a brick wall though idk

[lime oar]

man barely more than a week left of popping people from 50% on assa

sad

[wanton breach]

barely a month left of randomly popping people from 100% on MM

[dark moon]

@spring bough

[potent pivot]

Who says it’ll only be a couple %

We may end up running haste>>>

[potent pivot]

[exotic dove]

Came back to the game after a break since Halloween and first day went 1-5 then 2 4 twice and the same on the second day. Today I started with a 1-5 so at least I am consistant

at this rate I got 2 4-2s coming my way

[wanton breach]

cursed weapon poisons build

[potent pivot]

[exotic dove]

Id miss sudden demise with that build though (I havent played Midnight beta though so it could be crap there) it still makes me chuckle when people keel over to it on live

I do have beta access though

[wanton breach]

no need for SD if you can just weapon poison your enemies

[exotic dove]

What hero tree seems strong on beta Deathstalker or Fatebound?

[potent pivot]

Just play either

It’s beta

[spring bough]

high mountain DK? XD

[outer sky]

ok

you NEED both points in vigor

@potent pivot it's 5 energy in pvp lol so not worth

[exotic dove]

I do like the 2 set but yeah 4 set is very meh

[jaunty osprey]

2 set is very good!

Honestly hate that we have to take kingsbane for zoldyck

Especially now that Symbolic Victory for DS is tied to Kingsbane

[outer sky]

plus one of the implacable talents is tied to kingsbane as well

[jaunty osprey]

I think you play Lingering Darkness btw

And press Kingsbane AFTER deathmark expires

Or you can play symbolic and press it during because Finish the Job buffs it by 10%

and you can pair it with big envenoms for big burst on our CDs

[jaunty osprey]

Working atm so cant export properly but smth like this for bleed build

But no idea how impactful it is to not take all the envenom talents

[spring bough]

timewalk is pretty damn fast... went from 60 to 73 in 2 ques with some quests inbetween lol

[gusty hedge]

head enchants are back?!?

[outer sky]

Thats the same bleed build I came up with. It just felt weird because it still leans into envenoms a lot but instead of buffing those youre diverting talents to buff bleeds so it almost seemed like a worst of both worlds. Plus we lost tempest as a dot which kinda feels bad for this build but obviously that depends on tuning

I absolutely despise that new deathmark talent though

The one where deathmark is a 10% damage buff

They need to remove that ASAP and replace it with a talent that says "Activating Deathmark applies a full duration rupture and garrote. Additionally, your bleeds cannot be removed for Deathmark's duration"

[jolly sierra]

cataclysm was merely a setback

[spring bough]

evo hit 80 time to PVP

so happy comp stomp is up and fast que

[dark moon]

lock 😄

demo

[jolly sierra]

@spring bough when u got permabanned, were you able to create a brand new acc on the mail and share the xmogs?

[spring bough]

yes and the achieves and all that stay. u get 8 chances lol

[jolly sierra]

nice, gotta prepare for the worse then

[jaunty osprey]

game sucks, cant even push r1 shuf on alt

cause i keep proccing lower mmr lobbies

GOTTA GO 5-1 I GUESS

[exotic dove]

Ok another 2400 and Elite in the bag thought I would be rusty after a few month break but didn't do too bad

[jaunty osprey]

sadge - sudden demise never procced

[spring bough]

How did that not proc lol

[jaunty osprey]

no clue

i lost that round too

[potent pivot]

damn you still playin like that

you should really filter buffs/debuffs on player frames and plates man

makes things so much clearer

[jaunty osprey]

nah

i enable everything

on purpose

[outer sky]

Its completely random whether it procs in pvp or not. I have several similar screenshots

[potent pivot]

why

[outer sky]

I did less damage than the sub rogue

[potent pivot]

on beta?

[outer sky]

yeah

this was almost a 10 minute fight btw

and it was a 3v2

[potent pivot]

yeah thats normal

they haven't done any real tuning yet

and sub is borderline op

[outer sky]

heres a shuffle. I did basically the same damage as the Arms Warrior

Crimson Tempest costs too much energy

that needs to be reduced to 50 at the most

Another thing Ive noticed

it feels like youre just reapplying bleeds the entire game

because energy regen is so bad

you only get a small amount of globals between each bleed application

[potent pivot]

i think thats kinda their whole goal

what i'm thinking is that we just apply bleeds to 1 or 2 targets, cleaving with CT is possible, then just focus on envenoms n shit

i also kinda feel like the base hit of CT could be better, it's only 100% of AP

i have a feeling nothing even buffs the base damage either

since its just a singular physical hit

not nature or a bleed

losing old CT just kinda fucks the whole bleed build

[outer sky]

you literally get like 3 envenoms before you need to reapply bleeds

[potent pivot]

ye thats pretty normal i think

[outer sky]

i swear sometimes it was only 2

[potent pivot]

even on retail go pve 1 target

[outer sky]

but garrote lasts longer on beta

[potent pivot]

slower energy economy

tea is also giga worth still imo

if you weren't running it

[outer sky]

nah i wasnt

[potent pivot]

in pve the mastery is a complete afterthought

[outer sky]

i feel like it would just spam proc in a 30s window and then be useless all game

[potent pivot]

it isn't enough mastery to outweigh the raw energy

now that the energy economy is so much slower in midnight, that energy is insanely valuable

even if it auto procs

its only energy now so auto procing is absolutely fine

[outer sky]

yeah but man these games are so fucking long and youre starved the entire match. So what I think will happen is it will proc back to back to back in a 30s window and then its reduced to a 100 energy proc once per minute

[potent pivot]

thats still good

[outer sky]

I'll try it out now and see how it feels

not sure what to drop for it though

maybe subterfuge

[potent pivot]

were u running double van

or the supercharger thing u posted

[outer sky]

no