pvp

[potent pivot]

Nothing to do with gcd, just as panda said you can’t meld while moving

It’ll break the meld insta

[cerulean rapids]

gotcha, so i just have a macro of /cast shadowmeld /cast stealth and dont move when i press it?

just for subterfuge

theres no way to put stealth in 1 button?

[potent pivot]

Pretty much

[potent pivot]

Wdym

[cerulean rapids]

#showtooltip Shadowmeld
/cast Shadowmeld
/cast Stealth

this is my current one, and i have to meld and stealth still

2 gcds

would love to have it on one button to press once

i assume htey cant happen without a cast sequence

[potent pivot]

It isn’t 2 GCDs, but meld/stealth macros do have to be double pressed usually ye

Cast sequence won’t change that

Just spam press it

[cerulean rapids]

ah gotcha

ty ty

[drowsy vine]

anyone seen what sub pvp is like in midnight?

[potent pivot]

Really too early to tell rn

Going to have more dance uptime and run some haste etc

Beta is still in the leveling testing stage

[vocal surge]

^

A lot of specializations have bugged modifiers

and simply dont do damage in PvP

[jolly sierra]

ty 2k rating in blitz for giving me a colonel title

[gleaming sentinel]

lol jesus

[potent pivot]

looks like it was meming

[abstract stratus]

ye

[dark kernel]

Ahh

[wet crown]

Sometimes the meld macro just borks out in pve, idk if it'd do that in pvp.

[dark moon]

It bugs way, way, way less in pvp

At least for assa, not sure how it is for outlaw

[gusty hedge]

double tap make sure u have energy or itll just meld for some dumb a reason

[grave basin]

how is this game real

every time i get close to 2.4 this shit happens

it's ALWAYS mm one shotting

[vocal surge]

Today

Lvl 90 on Beta

and then its gearing time

[grave basin]

this game

[vocal surge]

PvP Scene is bustling in Midnight

[molten hedge]

Yeah I used to have a lot of problems with it but ever since I go behind los, don’t move, and spam the macro I’ve never had it bug out

[hidden moth]

guys

holy shit

i just talked to a guy about rogue in classic

i said something about % chance to give u a cp

and he immedietly lost his shit

thought i was talking about child adult content like wtaf are we smoking

[wanton breach]

[hidden moth]

put that man on a list if thats what he thought it meant given context of the convo on rogue abilities / talents

[vocal surge]

Paladin casually hits me

for 1/4 of my hp in Beta

with each finisher

[hidden moth]

balanced

[dark kernel]

what an idiot

[spring bough]

What you got 10 hp?

[dark kernel]

I took a solo shuffle at noon that had 20 declines

that was fucking awful

[dark moon]

what the actual fuck? cp is combo points and everyone in this game knows it

[dark kernel]

well my assa MMR caught my outlaw MMR in likea day

[vocal surge]

Aye

Getting geared up in the Beta

[gleaming sentinel]

56/100... this grind is so brutal

[dark kernel]

I saw you in agame with Palumor's DH last night

[gleaming sentinel]

4-2 in a triple paladin lobby (one prot) we take those

[dark kernel]

i saw that

i was like how

I did 2190>2100 again today

[gleaming sentinel]

that bracket is harder than 2.4+

i swear

[dark kernel]

i believe it to an extent

you Really dont know if you're going to get people who are straight up wintrading, alt character untouched, completely flubbed to high rank

I had a lobby this morning that almost actually got me to type to someone but I stopped myself.

DH would just bolt into the game and not pop any defensives, so I'm literally trinketing to defensive bomb him from getting double chaos bolted and this guy just dies without using abilities 2 games with me straight. Then plays completely normal, and the Lock with me next game starts being just as dumb

[gleaming sentinel]

its simply a matter of people following up your stuns or a healer dispelling you properly

[dark kernel]

yeah

well either way, I'm pushing as assa and outlaw simultaneously so we'll see where it goes

[gleaming sentinel]

once i finish these wins i'll grind outlaw

[copper arrow]

Hopped on the midnight beta to check out rogue. Sub is the only rogue spec that will be able to stunlock 3 targets in a go. Because of a sub tree talent called shot in the dark.

Anyone else agree this is a HUGE nerf to assa and outlaw? They’ll only have 2 stuns per go now. https://www.wowhead.com/spell=257505/shot-in-the-dark

[vocal surge]

We need old Maneuverability back

for Midnight

[potent pivot]

Yep

They’re removing other cc from the game too so we aren’t the only ones losing some, but yeh

[potent pivot]

Real

[vocal surge]

Was getting chain rooted in Beta

unable to move at ALL

Like slows and roots are way more common in Midnight than TWW lol

[copper arrow]

True but this rogue change is more impactful than the other cc changes

[potent pivot]

Sure but rogue has been getting neutered for years now

People complain and complain and complain about rogue to no end

[sharp sierra]

I actually really like the new outlaw

I do miss the bte windows that was always dopamine but vanishing as outlaw was kinda wack

[potent pivot]

Idk I dislike the vast majority of the changes

The only thing I kinda like is assa hopefully moving back towards a ST focus

[spring bough]

I don’t understand that when blizz deleted half the spells out the game 😂

[vocal surge]

was fighting DK sham

and I was getting chain rooted

left n right

knocked and pulled

only ~30% uptime on shaman

before dying

it was blood dk if yoour wondering

[stiff cedar]

I mean blood dk has always been disruptive/had a lot of grips

That's legit its thing

Basing how arena feels based off playing a tank is fried

[vocal surge]

How it feels to play Old Outlaw after playing Beta

https://tenor.com/view/snoring-old-man-simpsons-snore-gif-11676353

[stoic spruce]

Uhuh is gone and that's all I wanted

I'm happy for this outlaw

[sharp sierra]

The last few node choices are a bit confusing

I seen some vids of people using blade rush instead of killing spree but idk how it’ll be for pvp

[stoic spruce]

It's a simple question of do you want more energy or not?

[lime oar]

is inevitable end still in midnight?

[vocal surge]

Blade Rush is BEEFY in Midnight

[gleaming sentinel]

Dazed the goat representing outlaw with the dub in NA

[stoic spruce]

Outlaw in AWC?

Say it ain't so

[gleaming sentinel]

[stoic spruce]

It's in EVERY AWC

Because even when it does poopy dmg

It's GOOD

But that's CHANGING

In MIDNIGHT

And I'm rather DISTRAUGHT

[sharp sierra]

lowkey the first game 2nd round dobob vs UP was insane and outlaw did most damage lmao. Weird the dk did the least amount of damage

[stoic spruce]

Yeah it was crazy

[spring bough]

but u aent even playing it rn?

[stoic spruce]

Outlaw in the right hands is very nutty

Nope

I don't like uhuh

[sharp sierra]

the leveling is so slow i feel like a adhd kid just waiting for 90 lmao

[stoic spruce]

Dazed probably does or doesn't mind it

I don't and do mind it

[sharp sierra]

think ill spam dungeons

[vocal surge]

EZ CLAP

I have the Legendary Schroedinger's Parse

[stoic spruce]

What's your pfp

[vocal surge]

I am both 0% and 100% for ilvl

Mines?

Its canned smoked rattlesnake

[stoic spruce]

Is it good

[vocal surge]

Ye

[stoic spruce]

Stocking stuffer found for Christmas

Well, I'm gonna eat mine.

I had python jerky

Dude

[vocal surge]

Hmm?

[sick moth]

I’ve only ever played sub and sin in PvP. Outlaw hard to pickup? Fun?

[stoic spruce]

Outlaw just needs to turn into a full fledged cowboy atp

[vocal surge]

Lol

Feels like it in Beta

[stoic spruce]

Gimme dynamite

[vocal surge]

Go Engineering

[gleaming sentinel]

tumble weeds

[spring bough]

cant believe they actually addded that.....

[stoic spruce]

I have rare alchemy recipes

[gleaming sentinel]

That you’ll never use

[stoic spruce]

They're keep sakes

[turbid ore]

ray of hope is so funny in low elo

[grave basin]

play assa they said

it'll be fun they said

[stoic spruce]

Glhf

[hidden mirage]

double dragon + surv is much worse.

[vocal surge]

Casually 1 tapping people in PvP Midnight rn

[grave basin]

sub in blitz is fun

[dark moon]

Ooooooof

[lone jasper]

Yesterday i had fight twice against fury and Mm. Every game they were sitting on me. I swear i couldnt do anything. As i was out of stealth hp was dissapearing

I really have no idea how to win that combo

[dark moon]

The only thing worse than this was playing vs holy paladin in legion, as every healing spell removed all poisons and you did 50% less damage. Unwinnable.

And maybe ww +dh/hunter

[gleaming sentinel]

Shush shush shush

[lime oar]

does outlaw feel slow to yall?

i see people dooming that it’s too slow and no skill expression. idk i think people are way overreacting to the changes overall 💀

[stoic spruce]

They are

And its slow

But not in a bad way

Just pre DF speed

[dark kernel]

I mean that's kind of expected

We've gotten pretty adept to it. But DF and TWW are easily like the fastest xpacs

Like SL has massive 1 shots but it was a lil different

[stoic spruce]

Yeah for sure

It's super familiar to people who've played outlaw for a while

Lowkey?

Feels like home

[jaunty mirage]

Destro/dev/frost mage on tolviron

[turbid ore]

ray of hope in low mmr is funny

[spring bough]

https://x.com/ipalumor/status/1990197272311967985?s=46&t=YKaisWqFkCTf8y-DfuEaHw

Palumor (@iPalumor)

After about 1 month I've completed 2400+ every class in solo shuffle on random specs. Might make a vid to go over easiest/hardest specs in shuff.

Hardest part of this series is having the mental to spam sit 30min queues.

If you're interested in coaching add Palumor on discord!

X · Nov 16, 2025, 11:16 PM

This guys insane lol

[turbid ore]

palumor the goat hes the reason i played wow for the first time

[lime oar]

his og videos on rogue were so good

[wet crown]

Personality of the spec basically got stripped.

People cite pre df like outlaw before df s3 was anything noteworthy after the bfa nerfs.

But even still, I find midnight more boring than sl outlaw.

[dark moon]

Streamers...

[outer sky]

Im a mod in his stream chat

[outer sky]

Hes one of the good ones

[outer sky]

When you see ray of hope thats when you kidney>bomb>burst

Ray of Hope damage is not mitigated by defensives

So if you blow your load into it and the healer cant heal then the person WILL die when it ends unless they use an actual immunity like bubble

[turbid ore]

Yeah that war ate a 17.4 mil ray lol

[dark moon]

i didnt say he's bad or anything. I used to love him when he had that spark in him. But I mainly meant that he plays as a job and ive seen a lot of streamers doing 2.4k challenges for classes/specs etc

and that its crazy achiev for regular people (not impossible tho)

[outer sky]

Yeah I definitely agree that his stream was better when it was much smaller.

[dark moon]

playing with kalvish back in the days

it was mint

[jaunty mirage]

It’s impressive for sure but def a bit less impressive when you can just play all day and are good enough to compete

[dark kernel]

Getting 2400 in Solo shuffle is literally toddler tier for a multi rank1

And I don't even mean this to insult Palumor, but it's just super low hanging fruit.

If you can consistently even get regular gladiator you can 1000% hit 2.4k on any class in shuffle. At least with time.

[dark moon]

its entertaining for the viewers + free content I guess

[dark kernel]

True but that man barely streams wow as it is.

[true warren]

quick question
as sub rogue in SS, do i generally try to cheap shot both DPS during a go if DR's allow it? If yes, only once or multiple times?

[dark kernel]

There's no definitive answer but I'll try to be simple about it.

You can, but you need to kind of keep a mental note of your energy because CS isn't cheap. We know we got tea so you can stun the off dps, tea, then go into main.

You shouldn't....go out of your way to do this. Like if they are stacked sure. You only need to kind of cover your own damage if you think you're going to get stopped real hard, like on the opener probably

Nothing is worse than using too much time, energy. And your enemy healer CC is ticking down while you CC off dps before you even do damage. Can lead to broken go. But it's going to happen anyway.

[hidden moth]

dev evoker op

[vocal surge]

Paladins in Beta are so giga OP

They're playing like they're in S2 stats

against people in questing gear from S1

[vocal surge]

Paladins can now cast Shield of Vengeance while stunned

xD

[hidden moth]

what are shadow priests istg

cooked lobby

love losing the 2 round s i have with spriest

bc he doesnt press dispersion once

[hidden moth]

better lobby than the last few i would say

[hidden moth]

nvm ret 5-1

3-3 the lobby

[jaunty mirage]

Their damage is so wild if they are like halfway decent players

[outer sky]

Warr went 1-5

[true warren]

ok thank you. didn't consider the energy costs so far to be fair but makes sense of course. After all a cheap shot is 16% of total energy

and would we use a dance CD exclusively for peeling when the round is fresh and the kill target of my team has def CD's ready?
For example if a DH pops big meta so i stun lock him with kidney + 2 CS + disarm

right now, at around 2k, i struggle with finding a balance between peeling and doing enough damage

[dark kernel]

so you'e doing fine you're in the "Fine tuning" and crafting stage

you need to make sure tha when you are "go" you aren't interrupting your rotation to peel. Big no no, save that for after.

when you don't have CDs just be annoying

gouge off dps, or healer far away, farm dance charges

[jaunty osprey]

Turn your peels into a counter-go

Doing damage wins games

play too defensive and you’re not playing for a win condition

If you waste shadow dances just peeling, it will take longer for your turn to be on the offensive

[gleaming sentinel]

@jaunty osprey think assa thug is a glad comp atm?

[jaunty osprey]

If on comms and with an evoker, it can probably work

I played it with this guy at 2550

https://check-pvp.fr/us/Tichondrius/ßouchanana

just trap sleep the healer on DR

and someone will die

[gleaming sentinel]

Hunter I play with is surv, but same strat

[gleaming sentinel]

Basically mini goes every kidney I imagine

[dark kernel]

Thug voidweaver is actually disgusting against ret comps which flood the lower 2400 range

You will legitimately get Lay, bubble, sac everything in opener if you get a good one.

[grave basin]

wow down for 3 hours yet again

urge to buy the beta rising

[wintry slate]

sup guys, does the rating reset with a realm transfer ?

[dark moon]

Don't give in to the beta purchase

Stay strong

[spring bough]

Do it (Sidius voice)

[hidden moth]

Do it now so you don’t have to spend 3 hours on launch day trying to set up a ui

lol

[hidden moth]

Shouldn’t

Unless you’re going from N.A. to eu

[wintry slate]

Eu to eu

[spring bough]

My edit mode from beta gonna copy over to live?? 👀

[static holly]

Does for anyone work the resource bar in beta? I saw it once while setting up and it's bugged now and doesn't show up

Not sure if I should just reset and try again

Nvm. I will just reset and rework it....

[spring bough]

It works but it’s buggy asf

If you are in edit mode and try to move it. You may have to uncheck and recheck the resource bar to be able to move it

[wet crown]

of course

they even have cheesy shit where the silvermoon guards kneel to them lmao

where's my making npcs tremble in fear option

[hidden moth]

if u copy it and save the string somewhere

easily

[spring bough]

Aent no way they kneel 😂

[wet crown]

hold on lol

can't find the vid r/n but test it on beta if you don't believe me lmao

[lime oar]

ret is beyond cringe at this point

i’m usually all in on playing sub but for the first time i have no idea which spec im gonna like

for midnight i mean

[potent pivot]

just give it some time

overall i don't think the base gameplay is going to change that much for anything

[spring bough]

and boys with that we are DONE with remix

bout to get me some SCYTHES

[gleaming sentinel]

Gotta get that 1 hand version of taeshalach bro

[spring bough]

that too

honestly the 1 hander shoulda been the same size but they reduced it /cry

back sheath 1 hander on that woulda been golden

just went from aboutt 295 mounts to well over 300 ez lol

[dark kernel]

I don't even know what I need to do in remix right now. My character is 610 item level, and I'm halfway done with the high mountain campaign

I wish they didn't make the campaign completion rewards decent because I hated doing them and mist so I only did 1

[outer sky]

I played a match last night into cupid with a pres evoker and I ended the game by globaling the pres in a kidney. And both the hunter and ret were free while I did it. They just couldn't stop me. And then I got to thinking just how badly they had to throw to allow that to happen. Basically the moment I killed this dragon their team had no healer trinket, no Commune, no sac, no pet sac, no lay on hands, no bop, and no sanc all at the same time.

[hidden moth]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/new-end-game-realm-on-midnight-beta-development-notes-for-november-18th-379337?utm_source=discord-webhook

@potent pivot

sub changes

lots

of them

[potent pivot]

lol they're still sticking to the haste shit

rupture is gone? lol?

symbols gone

i'm dying here lmao

[hidden moth]

Developers’ notes: The changes for Subtlety in this update look to improve upon initial goals with further adjustments based on gameplay testing and community feedback received thus far. Some previous changes swung the pendulum too far, like overemphasizing Haste as an outlet for cooldown reduction on too many abilities and talent effects, and removing all generic damage bonuses from Shadow Dance.

kekw

[potent pivot]

they made it so that you only get CDR from your haste and not haste buffs

[hidden moth]

says this but doesnt fix the hast e chit

[potent pivot]

so like lust/pi won't give extra cdr

[hidden moth]

shit

[hidden moth]

kinda ass ngl

[potent pivot]

so basically sub will want haste and still be ass with lust/pi like before

lol

[spring bough]

sub get fucked? lol

[potent pivot]

i don't think so, just weird shit

pretty sure they're combining symbols with dance etc

[lime oar]

yup they baked symbols in

shadow dance cooldown being 20 seconds is nice tho

[hidden moth]

6 second duration though cringe

but yeah symbols is just built into dance

also whjile deepenign shadows is now only asffected by ur haste stat least it got set to 150%

[vocal surge]

They disabled PvP vendors in Beta

[hidden moth]

why

[sharp sierra]

rapid fire damage incread by 100%

[vivid dune]

Is there any reason to take death from above? lol

[wet crown]

I was kinda meming before but uh

Rogue dead

[wet crown]

https://youtube.com/shorts/JTswTU-d8BM?si=TKC6cbeE8Eof_db5

[potent pivot]

if you don't need another 3rd pvp talent

[vivid dune]

Noted lol

[wet crown]

I picked a bad time to come back to rogue lmao

Been fun but hell naw

[spring bough]

crazy

[fathom crag]

can we play 90?

or gottalvl our selves

[wet crown]

instant 90 on xal server

[lime oar]

oh shit is that available rn?

[fathom crag]

wtf man

no more rupture

[potent pivot]

Rupture and symbols pruned

[fathom crag]

i just logged on

wtf is this bullshit

😂

[potent pivot]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1422984870132580422/1440510253702578205/image.png?ex=691e6b37&is=691d19b7&hm=eb9ec894647c72a89ebdc4bd98ac7c6d21fc685f65b7f39e9fc261b49abd36d8&

Damage profile looks a little bit more consistent but still pretty bursty

Not having rupture pad is going to make us look even worse on the meters though I’ll bet

[fathom crag]

nahj going trickster

apparently u cant move ur mark

to other targets

[potent pivot]

Prolly just a bug

damn the dmg meter looks ass

[hidden moth]

cc immune

high skill piuck but not used often/ niche

[hidden moth]

not a bug

u cant move deathstalker mark to other targets if u have one out already

only way u can is if u dont have an active mark and use evis/envenom or garrote/ w/e sub has

last week patch notes

[potent pivot]

so they couldn't figure out how to fix the darkest night/dsm bug

and instead made it even more stringent

...

[hidden moth]

a new deathstalker mark cannot be applied while one is already active...

so once u put it out

gotta eat all 3 stacks of it before u can place a new mark

better not mark the wrong target in pvp

[potent pivot]

i still think thats fine

[hidden moth]

i mean

[potent pivot]

just funny how bad they are

at making things work properly

[hidden moth]

kill target is aff lock and u accidently mark the arcane mage...

gl getting that mark back

without trolling chasing the wrong kill target around

[hidden moth]

ive seen incest babies smarter than blizzard employees

[wet crown]

sub was already boring af lol

[hidden moth]

the ball has droped so low i can hear music coming from the great wall of china

[potent pivot]

yet a lot of people talk about it being hard

[hidden moth]

was only hard bc u had to know how 3 cds lined up or w/e

same time people playing classic think pressing frost bolt is hard

[potent pivot]

people are just bad

it wasn't hard

[hidden moth]

think subs thing came down 1 of 2 things

1. Its too complex bc you have the brain power of a lobotomy patient
2. You do understand it and its so scripted that its boring as fuck

also all the buffs to melee auto attacks and that being more of our damage

cant wait for every melee spec to be havok dh/ warrior trying to maintain 100% uptime on the target

[potent pivot]

melees were doing like no dmg

the buffs to those are all small

when considering the entire dmg profile

its not even remotely close to how much melees did in SL or anything of that nature

i posted a dmg breakdown earlier as an example

[potent pivot]

fuckin strike->evis meme just grew even larger 😭 fuck

[stoic spruce]

The combat rogue were the friends we made along the way

[potent pivot]

poisoner/pirate/ninja

[spring bough]

Combat rogue? Where?

[stoic spruce]

All 3 specs

[hidden moth]

100% uptime to do any danage

heaven forbid envenom buff drop in pvp

[hidden moth]

ight

kingsbane doing killingspree is

kinda sick

[wet crown]

legit

if it weren't for warlock I'd honestly probably skip midnight at this rate

the gameplay is so boring

[hidden moth]

For me

It’s aff lock demo looks cool

And uh dk lookin sick

Vengeance dh looking yummy Devourer looks ight Havok changes seem playable

For PvP I’m prob just going to go dh or rogue tbh

[lime oar]

anyone watching nahj rn

[wet crown]

they really simplified demo, i don't really like it as much

but i'd still rather play it than whatever tf they're doing to sub

[hidden moth]

I don’t either but

I’m just glad tyrant is dynamic

[hidden moth]

Who

[fathom crag]

[vocal surge]

Nah's Secret Tech was doing 300k a hit

[wanton breach]

It is now?

Last I saw on beta it was static

But that was a week ago

[wet crown]

This patch changed it

Good change at this point

I fucking hate 30s implosion tho

[wanton breach]

Yeah that's not gonna happen unless they overtone it

[wanton breach]

Yeah that's way better

Demo eating good

Just to never be played cause destro is superior in all forms of content

[dark kernel]

I actually dont understand why my rogue when spec'd as Assa has demonstrably higher fatebound coin flip damage

it's like the nerf was coded ONLY for outlaw

[potent pivot]

because a lot of assa's kit buffs coin damage

[wet crown]

It's looking like an aff expansion

Ua just ate a 75% nerf and isn't trash still

And got way better talent distribution

[wet crown]

Shiv buffs coin damage

[true warren]

is there any sort of audio alert planned for midnight when enemies pop CD's? I recently added GladiatorlosSA and my rating increased 200-300 in SS because now i actually know when to peel or use defensives

[fathom crag]

no

real game now

[true warren]

anything else that tells me an enemy CD? Or how would i learn that? Unfortunately not everything is as obvious as paly wings

[potent pivot]

looking at their buff frames

[true warren]

damn. small icon around 20 other irrelevant once

[dark kernel]

I didnt know it was coded that way, but that is LEGITIMATELY broken

[potent pivot]

i don't think it is idk

[potent pivot]

can use betterblizzframes to highlight any buffs/debuffs you want

[vocal surge]

This Hunter's obsessed with dueling me lol

[fathom crag]

https://www.twitch.tv/trimaz_wow/clip/MiniatureEncouragingCakeWholeWheat-EBLEr7aTftPjulnT?filter=clips&range=7d&sort=time

any midnight hype

[potent pivot]

too busy waiting for the nerfbat

[dark moon]

Is this a name plate addon or just default blizz nameplates?

[fathom crag]

Betterblizzplates

but still ugly

need to fk around & look at settings

[dark kernel]

Somebody smarter than me needs to tell me why the best Outlaw rogues are running mega deep versa and assa rogues which die are glass canon

[potent pivot]

huh

[dark kernel]

Welp. My firs game as assa and i make someone afk

[spring bough]

No lol

[spring bough]

Plates is good from them. Frames always has bugs when I use it lol

[hidden moth]

Read patch notes

But yes it’s now dynamic

[hidden moth]

Season 1 demo was better on everything aside from 1-2 fights

[dark kernel]

Im really tired, but when I looked at Dazed on armory, he's running an absolutely insane amount of versa on outlaw, which....is weird because we never get hit

[hidden moth]

Prob bc outlaw has shit stat scaling bc ur mastery is bad and your all about uptime and staying on target with cdr on defensives

[dark kernel]

However, ever assa rogue is running like 20% versa

and assa flops

[hidden moth]

While assa stacks the fuck outta mast and vers but we are hit and run

[potent pivot]

vers is outlaw's best stat for damage tho

thats why

[hidden moth]

Bc outlaw puts all their stats in vers

And has more. Defensives than assa

@dark kernel these are my stats on assa while in pvp combat

1% haste bc night time and nelf. Which it was a pick one crit or haste and not based on when u get to play

The rest is legit 2p tier with the rest being vers mast gear

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/topgear

[dark kernel]

i've noticed every assa rogue going heavy amstery full crafted and engi

uhg

im picking it up and this spec is insane, but I just didn't want to have to craft a ton or drop a profession, not that I'm making money anyway

[spring bough]

Why are mogs gonna cost me almost a million gold in midnight

[sharp sierra]

Bro I was dueling on beta and I smoked 3 back to back mages and I got super cocky and challenge a hunter

I was alive for 2 seconds before I felt the rain of god (arrows) destroy me

[true warren]

Number tuning aside, what's your opinion on recent sub changes for pvp? I'm too new to really understand how it will impact the game

[potent pivot]

its going to make a spec that was already getting boring to seasoned players even more boring

[true warren]

Sub is considered boring among seasoned players? Because of low sustained damage or why's that? I always felt like the control you have with dance gives it a high ceiling which doesn't equal being boring, no?

[stoic spruce]

Its a game wide thing too so don't think you can escape it

Yeah they're starting to grow weary of it

[potent pivot]

The rotation has just been basically the same for a long ass time

And now they’re just removing a bunch of buttons for no reason and not putting anything in their place

[stoic spruce]

Hey now

We may not agree but they have a reason

[potent pivot]

There’s no reason to make sub into fury warrior imo

[stoic spruce]

After these last changes, sub went a little too far tho

[potent pivot]

It’s ok to leave a couple specs with a higher “skill floor” in the game

[stoic spruce]

Fdk may be a good substitute tbh

[potent pivot]

At this point it’s looking like feral will be the only interesting spec left

[stoic spruce]

Feels like they have actual gameplay

And feral yeah

[true warren]

My noob opinion on this is that SoD was used almost exclusively with dance anyway and therefore removing it doesn't make it less exciting and flag and CB weren't really used in PvP at all. Rupture sucks tho. Hopefully they make up for the damage but i think this means a lot less pressure on off targets.

[potent pivot]

20sec CD dance, hasted CDR, so rupture, no symbols

They’re literally turning sub into strike->evis and nothing else lmao it’s so bad

[true warren]

100% agree. Unfortunately a lot of vocal people, mostly on reddit, don't see it that way

[potent pivot]

Flag and CB were used in pvp

And symbols had nuance to it as well

[true warren]

i thought they dumped the haste CDR thing on dance?

[stoic spruce]

I don't think any rogue spec will have alternating builds that change gameplay tbh

[true warren]

not recently at least

[potent pivot]

We used flag last season

And early this season

Iirc

[potent pivot]

Because they’re bad

It’s Reddit

lol

rupture was the only way sub had to stop others from getting clean restealths

[true warren]

Sure. It's insanely cringe how they say stuff like "Sub is too complicated and everyone want's a major rework" while in reality everybody that's maining sub wants it mostly untouched.

[potent pivot]

i was down for a rework

just not this

[stoic spruce]

Trickz

We as a community

Have GOT to stop asking blizz for things

The stove is hot!

Don't touch.

[potent pivot]

the funny part is anyone thinking sub was too complicated, just either doesn't play the game, or doesn't put in the effort

it was already easy

if someone wasn't great at pressing all the off GCDs they could just sacrifice a little dps to macro them in decent ways

people are just too lazy to put in any effort, and want everything to be BM hunter

[true warren]

Yeah rotation wise it's pretty easy. Just some muscle memory and that's it. Little thing to track

[potent pivot]

the part of this that is ironic to me

i actually wanted them to prune stuff

but i wanted them to prune buff/debuff bloat

[stoic spruce]

Like shadow blades

[potent pivot]

not active abilities

[stoic spruce]

And then give outlaw dreadblades back :D

[fathom crag]

idk i like sub a lot just need rupture tho

[potent pivot]

the talent trees+hero trees just got a little ridiculous when it comes to buff bloat and modifier bloat

[spring bough]

This

I like playing that fine line of ripping dmg but not too much or I die 😂

[stoic spruce]

Let's be real, we'd probably be fine now lol

[dark kernel]

So I've already got a rework. It just didn't need more

Sub

I thought it was like the one road expect they were going to keep pretty much the same

I hate text to speech

[stoic spruce]

[wet crown]

Thank you

Sub hasn't been anything resembling complex since wod.

[jaunty mirage]

Sub needed a rework, they just did a bad one

[wet crown]

And that was just a shittier version of mop sub

[grave basin]

hows rogue on beta

any thoughts

mechanically, not 1 shot cheeese shit

[lime oar]

dude i wasnt even thinking about this. thats SO bad

[wet crown]

On track to be rogues worst expansion unless they do something in the next 30 days lol

Got nothing for what was lost.

[spring bough]

So rogue is fucked?

[grave basin]

💀

[wet crown]

Number wise couldn't tell ya.

Fun wise? Fucked.

I just can't see a pvp situation where it's an improvement in any way for any spec. Maybe sub but eh lol

[grave basin]

watching nahj duel a bm hunter and the amount of piss coming out of one guy

that's all from one bm hunter

like come on man, imagine bm + unholy

[wet crown]

Like

Numbers could change any time from now to launch so I try to focus on the mechanics

What is a rogue supposed to do without vanish if they aren't even getting decent survival buffs to compensate? Lol

Meanwhile paladin is more or less exactly the same and got buffed more this patch.

Hell, hammer of wrath is the judgement key now. They made it even more braindead.

[spring bough]

I see one pixel

[grave basin]

theres like 4 bears 1 raptor

maybe more

[spring bough]

So is BM pack leader back for midnight as BIS? Cause I’d rock it ngl

[gleaming sentinel]

you haev vanish

[wet crown]

Not really as a cooldown anymore. Things like restealthing are going to be entirely pointless.

It's basically your "I'm getting my shit rocked" button and it's never been that great just for that lol

[lime oar]

wdym? assa is still completely reliant on restealthing for imp garrotte and rupture

[potent pivot]

rupture?

[lime oar]

indiscriminate carnage

[potent pivot]

thats gone

[lime oar]

oh fuck

[potent pivot]

[lime oar]

oh shit yea we have tro use crimson tempest

lmaooo

still imp garr is valid

[wet crown]

I wouldn't blow a vanish for it in pvp at least.

Especially if we end up not running subterfuge

Which is looking pretty likely with the Dr changes.

[grave basin]

idk how sub is gonna survive this without insane damage

and we all know what happens when sub gets insane damage

the opposite of mm

[lime oar]

damn

yeah

ill still play it no matter what, there is no other way

[hidden moth]

I got engi for the helmet and alch for extended flask time on the honor flask

[hidden moth]

They got rid of call of the wild as well so imagine if that stayed

[hidden moth]

Imp gar /silence only thing u would use vanish for

But gar silence is single target

Doesn’t aoe

Energy regain is so bad

It went from a somewhat complex spec to

Playing the same rotation they played in wotlk

[wet crown]

Wrath had more to it lol

I'd be so happy if it were wrath assassin

https://tenor.com/view/superweeniehutjr-weenie-spongebob-lameo-gif-5160846

Midnight be like

[dark kernel]

this lobby is not fantastic for outlaw

I am super mega salty about that not being a 4-2 but the ret literally used 1 defensive in round 2 and just instadied

[wanton breach]

classic ret, doesnt know how to press buttons

[dark moon]

did someone mention ret?

[dark kernel]

you would never fucking believe after that lobby I got another mirror lobby

Giga unfriendly outlaw lobby

[hidden moth]

True, at least you could cheap shot in wotlk properly kekw

[spring bough]

https://x.com/grimlockwow/status/1991116530235605311?s=46&t=YKaisWqFkCTf8y-DfuEaHw

Grimlock (@Grimlockwow)

Kingsbane is perfectly fine on beta btw 🫡

For some reason in instanced PvP is globals people, but in duels it does 15% of someones HP. 🤔 Overall had a bunch of fun on beta last night ngl.

X · Nov 19, 2025, 12:09 PM

@outer sky kingsbane looking beefy

[wet crown]

they'll nerf it and then buff blade of light by 300% again or some shit

[potent pivot]

lots of stuff is kinda globaling people on beta, most won't last

[spring bough]

Bro this hunt went like 90% to 0 less than a global 😂

[wet crown]

he was a hunter so he deserved it

[spring bough]

Sin looking just as good as it is now. What’s even outlaw in midnight smh

[potent pivot]

🧢

[spring bough]

Wym cap lmao

[potent pivot]

because the only thing that matters on beta is design not tuning

it doesn't matter if kb is globaling on there, the spec feels way different than on live from a design standpoint

[spring bough]

I been playing sin and outlaw on beta. Regardless of the tuning. Sin feels good to play maybe even a bit better than it does now

Outlaw feels weird to play tbh hard getting used to no vanish for offense

[wet crown]

That still looks horrible for outlaw.

Sin has the best overall potential imo. Sub i'm on the fence with.

[potent pivot]

ye i'm just going off reading the changes and what others have told me, but i've heard a lot of the opposite about sin

i think sub will be fine in the end i'm just mad they're dumbing it down

[spring bough]

I like the crimson tempest change that’s really awesome

[fluid trench]

Sorry I’m late

[jolly sierra]

joinin

[fluid trench]

https://tenor.com/view/hamstermert-gif-4959950239614197565

[hidden moth]

How does it feel better kekw

[hidden moth]

I dislike it

Watching crimson tempest run through hp bars of pet specs like they were Bonnie blue

Was so satisfying

[spring bough]

Wym. Feels like I gotta watch for less and the bleeds just ripping dmg

Longer garrote is real nice

[hidden moth]

Will have to see but at least for dsm it was nice having another button to eat a stack with

Since shiv can only hit 1 tar now hemotoxin should be a 60% ms stacking with wound imo

Or buff it to 40% and let it stack with wound

[potent pivot]

ok so i think we just lost the plot for a moment

i do wanna say tho ig i was wrong yesterday when we were talking about melee dmg in a broad sense

i was only looking at subs

some specs melee is dumb af atm 👀

[spring bough]

Yeah outlaws is by far in first place over everything

I kinda like that tho. OG classic rogue melee dmg was always top but thats when you had 3 abilities doing dmg 😂

[potent pivot]

i kinda doubt it'll stay like that rly

[hidden moth]

Or let it stack with wound at the very least

A whole gcd that does 0 damage and only applies your crippling poison and a 30% ms… when we already got 20% ms …

[potent pivot]

still useful

could just drop hemo in general

[hidden moth]

Tbh with energy as it is control is king would be preferred

[potent pivot]

i hate that talent

[hidden moth]

I feel 20% ms 100% uptime would be better than 30% for 27%

[potent pivot]

not quite 100%

the whole point of hemo was that its an instant strong application, doesn't need to stack up etc

the reality of it is that we'll still shiv sometimes just for the slow

but dropping hemo isn't a big deal

[spring bough]

Thinking I’m gonna mess with a sin pvp build using DTB

Rock amp with wound

[hidden moth]

i just dislike how

avulsion is locked behind amp poison

forced to take a talent that buffs envenom damage
to access a talent that buffs rupture...

[spring bough]

Yeah it weird but it works I guess. Builds look pretty decent

[molten hedge]

Fr I only play disarm and tricks at least in 3s. I don’t miss hemo

[lime oar]

changes got me like

https://tenor.com/view/ryan-gosling-gif-27057996

[stoic spruce]

I think the great culling of 2025 was necessary and now that every spec has been wiped clean, it gives blizzard more room to try new things with the specs.

[hidden moth]

Time to go play ff14 guys

Least they let classes have complexity

Time to go play ninja again

https://tenor.com/view/smoke-illusionist-magician-jochem-nooyen-gone-gif-17492543

[lime oar]

hell nah brother

funny enough the pvp in ffxiv is crazy dumbed down i know yk its all homogenized for fairness

i do get the itch to play my drk tho

[stoic spruce]

Pvp talent that makes sap not break stealth inc

[lime oar]

[hidden moth]

Oh yeah ik the pvp is

But fuck

If I want any challenge from pve now

PvP talent makes sap useable on targets In combat but adds a cd/ charge system to it

Thoughts @potent pivot

getting some lua error from an addon on beta but i doint see any addons for it nor a section in menu to see addons

kekw

[lime oar]

the sap issue is a bug right i’m checking my sanity

[hidden moth]

the fact the damage meter in beta shows u damage done total but wont give a breakdown for what ability did what

kekw

[lime oar]

idk why i’m surprised blizz can’t do a proper dmg meter. literally just pay details to bake it in at this point

[junior remnant]

Im new to rogue pvp, been loving assassination but i find myself lost after my opener and burst damage. What should I do? After i open and burst i try to throw out some more stuns but it seems im just running around getting blasted by the other team and not sure what to do. Ill try and vanish and cloak to stay steath but it mostly always breaks

[lime oar]

hit n run tactics baby

[junior remnant]

How donI do that though if the enemy just trains me no matter where i go lol

[lime oar]

a lot you can do. fan of knives to spread poisons, step to your healer and dip behind pillars to restealth.

if u get some distance toss some poisoned knife to slow so u can secure more distance

[junior remnant]

Okay I will work on that thank you! I also completely forgot I can step to friendlies lol whoops

[spring bough]

respectively, FU. LMAO

gd blizz had 20 years to try new things smh

[lime oar]

step healer can save ur ass. i’m mediocre tho many others on here have better advice

[normal furnace]

It showeed the ability breakdown when I checked today

[hidden moth]

HOW

[vocal surge]

clicking on your bar

[hidden moth]

I DID

kekw

[normal furnace]

Right mouse button click worked for me just now

[dark kernel]

I give up guys

you are all substantiall ybetter than me if you can hit 2.4k on outlaw

every single match is suffering, people who wont use buttons.

The ret paladin here went 4-2 and did not use 80% of his kit, he never used a single Lay on Hands, sacrifice, or BoP

and he won

[gleaming sentinel]

Played some Assa aff Pres, and played pretty bad. I felt a bit lost most of the time on who to attack and trying to peel for a lock

@outer sky

[hidden moth]

aff bad rn

assa destro pres

is the move

esp bc we got more upfront with fate bound

[gleaming sentinel]

I really think I need to see an assa play the comp too tho

[hidden moth]

ur looking to set up a spot when u can get a choas bolt off and help with kb

@outer sky

[gleaming sentinel]

Right

This dude is an aff player

[hidden moth]

destro is so easy tbh

but fair

if ur playing aff rogue i would go death stalker tbh

[gleaming sentinel]

Hmm ok

[hidden moth]

bc its more rot dam

to match ur locks rot dam

feel it synergises better

[gleaming sentinel]

I just felt super lost idk

Mmr was higher than I’ve been as well so just a bit jarring

2.6 shuffle but deer in headlights at 2150 3s lol

Checks out I guess

[hidden moth]

3v3 is alot slower paced

lower dampening, and coordinated teams in vc

u dont need to over send defensives bc u dont think ur healer sups u

ur healer comms "i got sup ur fine"

etc

[hybrid sapphire]

ive plummeted about 300 rating 3 weeks ago and havent been able to recover it

not sure whats going on. every game seems to have a marks or devoker on it

i dont know why my strats suddenly stopped working and now im in freefall lol

[hidden moth]

do u run disarm into mm hunter

essence break windows going brrrrt

[hybrid sapphire]

allawys

[hidden moth]

well what are ur solo shuffle strats vs them

@grave basin

[sharp sierra]

Why the hell does aff lock make my party bars completely purple and unreadable 😭

[versed wasp]

hmm why does sap distract and blind break stealth? this is a bug right? xd

[potent pivot]

That’s the assumption ye

[true warren]

is there a way to sort gladiusEX frames that enemy healer is always 1 for example?

[spring bough]

Blizz decided to go back to vanilla sap but didn’t tell anyone 😂

[gusty hedge]

the culling made me pretty much quit wow RIP Outlaw Rogue

[gleaming sentinel]

So dramatic

We have tumble weeds now bro

To symbolize how truly desolate things are

[potent pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/tumbleweed-highway-blue-sky-gif-14068616

[spring bough]

The fact they added a tumble weed as an ability animation has made me lose all faith in blizzard knowing the plot

They just be doing shit at this point just to do it smh

[potent pivot]

wait the wut

[dark kernel]

It's an animation apart of one of the outlaw abilities

I think killing spree?

[potent pivot]

[dark kernel]

Outlaw so dog ass right now

That I'm borderline quitting this game

[spring bough]

When Ace procs

A literal fucking tumbleweed spawns and rolls past you

[potent pivot]

lmao

[spring bough]

Like I thought it was trolling in the midnight channel when alpha released. But it isn’t. Second I got on beta and had an ace proc

A literal tumbleweed fucking spawned

Like fix the fucking bugs why take the time to code and add a fucking tumbleweed animation

[spring bough]

#midnight-outlaw message

Crazy lol

[potent pivot]

thats so random lol

[spring bough]

Like when did blizz version of outlaw become a wild Wild West cowboy

And not a pirate lol

[dark kernel]

Ngl it's really funny

I don't mind

If you played vanilla remember we lost swirly ball and all hell broke loose

[gleaming sentinel]

If it doesn’t feel good to play I quit

[spring bough]

I might be a sin rogue in midnight depending on how it feels lol

[gleaming sentinel]

Sub or demo lock I think

Or maybe just back to brain dead devastation and bore myself to unsubscribe

[dark moon]

im down to play demo if its strong, cause i missed out on shadowlands when it was livelord-dampening-almost-unbeatable-in-2s-with-a-resto-shaman

[dark kernel]

I may become DH main

Or surv

[lime oar]

quitters

cowering at the first sign of adversity

[stoic spruce]

It hasn't been a pirate since legion as per blizzard

It actually stopped during arguably

[stoic spruce]

Around bfa

[stoic spruce]

Idr a swirly ball

[lime oar]

historically though, cowboys = outlaws

pirates were never referred to as such

[stoic spruce]

Outlaw is a broad term that means both

But frankly it's more gunslinger

Which is lame because every mmo ever has one

[dark kernel]

In vanilla wow, Detect Trap was a usable ability with no cooldown or cost and made a swirly ball animation fun to spam in org.

In TBC they removed it and made it passive

[stoic spruce]

Oh yeah that

[dark kernel]

People were sad because we lost it

[stoic spruce]

I remember

They made it an active again in legion and then made it passive again in bfa

Idk what it's use is now

I guess cosmetic

Like DKs corpse explosion

[spring bough]

It’s like blizz is bored

“What can I do to fill my 7.5 hour work day? Fuck it let’s make detect trap an on use again it’s been 7 years we deleted the OG code time to remake it”

[dark kernel]

Yeah it's in game now as a cosmetic press

[stoic spruce]

I spam that shit ngl

[lime oar]

thanks i didnt know that…

[stoic spruce]

You're welcome

[lime oar]

https://tenor.com/view/clint-eastwood-cowboy-im-ready-gif-14491236

[stoic spruce]

I like the tumbleweed

[wet crown]

It has nothing to do with weapon choice :L

It just happened to be common terminology in the yeehaw days

As they are referred to

[stoic spruce]

im saying its more gunslinger than outlaw

because its a common mmo archetype

[safe pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/walk-in-angry-walk-in-angry-gif-13889037

[gleaming sentinel]

Full intention on staying outlaw but if it just isn’t fun I’m not obligated to play a spec I don’t enjoy because of some weird loyalty lol

[dark kernel]

I know add-ons are being pruned, but I would love if I could make like a WA THAT COULD TRACK HOW MANY BLUNDERS I MAKE in my rotation

So I could see some s*** like you are playing Outlaw 80% effectively

[gleaming sentinel]

Best we can do is a tumbleweed

[dark kernel]

That's what's important

I'm going to start recording every single game I play

[lime oar]

yeah im just playing man its all good

[spring bough]

Here is a cool name

COMBAT rogue

[dark kernel]

CUMBACK rogue

[hot ermine]

Thoughts on how important race is going to be in Midnight? NE extra stealth still op?

[dark kernel]

NE is still looking strong for specifically Assa

Because Assa still has garrote silence on restealth but outlaw nor sub need it

[hot ermine]

Subterfuge staying for sub though?

[safe pelican]

That’s exactly what you’re supposed to do what are you on about … what a traitor 😒

[gleaming sentinel]

Too old to play something unfun

[safe pelican]

I feel that lol

[dark kernel]

Yeah but you don't have any damage modifiers during subterfuge so you're literally doing no damage anyway

[sharp sierra]

Okay I’m lowkey really liking blade rush

[dark kernel]

That's why it's not a big deal other than a peel button

[sharp sierra]

Extra gap closer that does damage

Or maybe it’s just nice that outlaw is doing damage regardless lol

[dark kernel]

We had bladerush in....dragonflight right?

It just did dick for damage but it gave energy and closed range yeah

[potent pivot]

Ye

[dark kernel]

Thought so. Didn't remember if the prune was DF or TWW

[potent pivot]

Oh Dragonflight

I don’t even remember

[safe pelican]

Blade Rush , elite mid tier pirate button

When is the official release for Midnight ? See y’all are on beta already thought it didn’t release until like next summer or sum shit

[dark kernel]

Unknown. Late Jan or Feb

[spring bough]

Ima go with end of feb/early march

[dark kernel]

I heard there may be some delays which could be interesting.

[gleaming sentinel]

What do yall think: sub or assa for thug with a survival and Pres

[fathom crag]

assa

[spring bough]

Sin

[dark kernel]

Who has that incredibly simple 30 second assassination go breakdown

Like you do this go, then next to are these CDs, then the next, etc

[stoic spruce]

Lame

[dark kernel]

Cool. This isn't in 100% correct order tho I assume

Everyone I talk to says you always shiv pre DM

Because shiv affects coins

[exotic comet]

Is this true? Can anyone confirm or deny exactly what shiv does to effect coins? I was under the assumption that you shiv right before KB, to squeeze out as many envenoms as possible. If you shiv pre DM, it’s one less global for spamming envenoms in my opinion 😂

[dark kernel]

Some guy told me the from stealth burst combo was cs - garrote - shiv - rupture - cs - tea/trinket/deathmark - kingsbane - enevenom

This is the coldblood burdt

[potent pivot]

Coin damage is buffed by shiv

Coin damage is cosmic, which is a mix of nature and something else

[dark kernel]

Yeah that infograph isn't bad but it just tells you to use cooldown and when they're up on tiner

The order is not correct

[stoic spruce]

arcane, holy, nature, shadow.

[dark kernel]

https://youtube.com/shorts/kIXpe38HsCY?si=TJMTNskBWYe1prtz

this shit looks wrong too

also no idea why he is vanishing to envenom

[vocal surge]

Flip 2 more coins

via Double Jeopardy

[dark kernel]

ahhhh

I think the rotation I was shown was more for the normal game play speed

Blowing a vanish on a 1 shot seems not ideal when the other combo does 90% of the same damage

[potent pivot]

Was probably made pre coin nerf

[dark kernel]

also yes

it was

[potent pivot]

So it was easier to land a forced kill with vanish in the burst

[dark kernel]

makes sense

i've finally grown depressed enough to step away some from outlaw

[safe pelican]

Kopy twin

[safe pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/chef's-kiss-snoop-dogg-the-voice-mwah-excellent-gif-8831794294636354899

That’s the sauce right there i miss playing assa , not sure which rogue to roll before midnight drops & i also support gear boosting now 😂🦦

[fallow mango]

Naturally always played subtlety, coming from metal gear solid days

I hate aggro 🤣

[gleaming sentinel]

highest ive been on rogue

[outer sky]

so I just queued a handful of 3s as assa/destro and now I see exactly why the cold blood envenom talent has fallen out of favor

having a guaranteed kingsbane crit in 1 global during the lock's chaos bolt spam feels so good

its basically an instant cast chaos bolt you can add to the burst

[gleaming sentinel]

Nice

[outer sky]

I think inevitable end is probably better in most shuffles

but this seems really good with the casters we play with

destro, boomie, fire

[gleaming sentinel]

Or go with surv assa… we’ve had 8mill dmg happen in like half a second a few times

[outer sky]

Yeah but the surv needs CDs for that. And he may not always crit

With a destro lock

If you see a bolt I the air you can shiv>kingsbane

And that global will do like

12m damage

And you can kill a lot of people

Without them pressing shit either

Cuz theyre at like 60%

They see a bolt in the air

They think theyre fine cuz its just 1 bolt like no way they die

But you kingsbane when it hits

And they die

[gleaming sentinel]

Yea totally, it’s just the comp I got. And they are the homies

Nice to finally get some 3s going

[outer sky]

What kind of healer are you playing with?

[gleaming sentinel]

Pres

Every 30 seconds we trap kidney and do big dam

[outer sky]

Yeah so your goes are basically

Every 1 minute you get a massive go where you have kingsbane and he has coordinated assault, fury of the eagle, and flank

Then every 30s in between you get a mini go with just flank

[gleaming sentinel]

Yep

It’s working better than I thought, took a few games to iron it out but it’s really fun playing a true setup comp

[outer sky]

Especially when he can cover his own CC

[gleaming sentinel]

I’m very new to rogue 3s

[outer sky]

He can stun the healer himself for his trap

[gleaming sentinel]

Yea

[outer sky]

Yeah I mean it definitely doesnt sound like it would be bad

It doesn't sound like its S tier either though

But I think you can probably play that to glad

The only real anti-synergy is garrote and sting using the silence DR

[wild kite]

best race alliance for pvp rogue in tbc?

[potent pivot]

might want to ask in a more classic orented discord server

there's some linked in the pins of #classic-discussion

[wild kite]

ok thanks

[stoic spruce]

Can't wait for midnight

[jolly sierra]

did they said season finish in dec 2nd?

[harsh kiln]

Yeah season 12

Aka MoP classic

[jolly sierra]

ahhh, not in retail?

nice

[orchid plinth]

We haven't even gotten to the increased conquest points and honor, right? So I assume there is plenty of time left.

[dark moon]

What increase?

[midnight grove]

i think disc priest needs a buff

it can maybe die if 3 people focus it down

[spring bough]

lol

[gleaming sentinel]

I’ve found it kinda doesn’t matter, it’s just surviving between the big goes is the big issue. So we just kinda peel and live between. Maybe as we get higher we will need to adjust but we ended on a 6 game streak that all felt one sided. 2200 mmr now

[stoic spruce]

What

[gleaming sentinel]

Same bestie

[stoic spruce]

[stoic spruce]

You gonna push day 1?

[gleaming sentinel]

my lil gameplay loop is pve to start with the homies while they are eexcited about it lol

you gona return to pvp on outlaw?

[stoic spruce]

Ye

I gotta hit the honor farm

Ol reliable EBGs

[gleaming sentinel]

oh yea honor cap fr fr

[dark kernel]

Mornin

[gleaming sentinel]

guess i should do that on the characters i wanna play

sup slit

[dark kernel]

Slit hardcore reporting in

[gleaming sentinel]

oh its slit

[dark kernel]

Oh

https://tenor.com/view/mikonay-gif-8380132108161814674

[stoic spruce]

Honor resets between expansions so keep that in mind

[gleaming sentinel]

Oh yea you’re right

[gleaming sentinel]

Sorry I mean I was pronouncing it “slite” this entire time. Not that i hate that you’re here LOL

[stoic spruce]

Wow

This guy is MEAN mean

[gleaming sentinel]

[gleaming sentinel]

its painful being a misunderstood genius

[dark kernel]

I'm just meming lmao

Any excuse to use a good gif

[gleaming sentinel]

i lol'd

[dark kernel]

But yeah my name is Slit El oh el

[gleaming sentinel]

yea im just an idiot

rofl

[dark kernel]

Kind of like the old Tich days

Then it was qt

God

Pvpers aren't creative

[gleaming sentinel]

in my head im like "slite lohel" like superman or something

ROFL

[dark kernel]

Brother

[gleaming sentinel]

kal el

[dark kernel]

I've been a moderator in Nahjs stream for 2 years and he calls me Slite

I don't care muc

[gleaming sentinel]

https://tenor.com/view/samsonite-dumb-jim-carey-way-off-gif-4835240

[dark kernel]

Good to see you playing real 3s

Funny enough I played thug and am 2200 MMR too rn