pvp

[wanton breach]

cheat death being the worst of the effects named after it is still mind bogling

[glass hazel]

should be no cheat death in pvp imho

'immune' ones

dr is fine yeah

[outer sky]

Rip fire mage

[glass hazel]

well it is not really immune without ice block

would be more fun if you have to press it before "dying"

like feint

and it should work like barkskin for example usable while stunned

fixed

but people still gonna die without using it

[wanton breach]

would at least be a skill issue then

[languid ravine]

this statement is so close to saying "the average player is between 0 and 3000 rating" you were almost there mate just take that last step

[outer sky]

Huh

[languid ravine]

I m not lying

[marsh yacht]

If it’s similar to chess elo, you should imagine a bell curve with 1500 as it’s highest point an 0-3k on each end

Over simplifying ofc

[languid ravine]

maybe I should clarify

"somewhere between"

[marsh yacht]

Somewhere between a 100 point spread seems to get the point across tbh

I’m certain you understood what they meant

[grave basin]

What zicore said is correct

Not sure what the contention is

Anyway

Soon

[stoic spruce]

Everyone's talking about ret

Sometimes MM

All quiet in the arcane and surv front

DH

[languid ravine]

off topic but whats the highest dps healer in pve? is it fistweaver?

[marsh yacht]

ret is 6.5% of the player base and 6% of players 2100+. But Assa is 2.5% of base and 4% of 2100+.

Not really a full argument ret isn’t strong, but population should be considered I think when someone’s like “ret pallies are 30% of the mdps leaderboard”

When ret is literally the most popular spec in the game

Arcane/assa both over perform compared to what you’d expect just looking at population while specs like Fury/Havoc/Ret are more or less right in line

[stoic spruce]

Even when ret is bad, it still tops representation.

Which is why I hate the rep argument

[marsh yacht]

This isn’t a perfect way to evaluate power I think because of how the data will be skewed by the 2:1 dps to healer comp. Or maybe it is and mistweaver is just the most broken shit ever; outperforming against their expected 1.7/6.7

I still normally put those two numbers next to each other to evaluate power on the surface level

[stoic spruce]

Idk

[marsh yacht]

Just means I can say with relative confidence mw is pretty strong and assa/arcane are competitive

at least competitive 2100+ plus a whole bunch of other caveats

[stoic spruce]

I think rep is such a poor way to articulate what spec is good that it should only be considered when what specs are generally good based on average rep population between seasons/expansions

No mater how good a spec is, it'll never outshine pally and mage

Hunter etc

Even in SL outlaw rep was still super low and it was absolutely busted

Literally had 0 counter and double outlaw was played in AWC

[marsh yacht]

Yeah but like I’m saying you would expect a wide gap between total pop and rep at whatever arbitrary rating threshold

[stoic spruce]

Putting the threshold at 2800 would do it

In 3s

[stoic spruce]

Half sarcasm

[marsh yacht]

Probably true though tbh. As long as there’s sufficient data,

Like I don’t think looking at top 100 will give anyone an idea of a specs relative power on any given player at the rating they play within, for example

[stoic spruce]

Nah not at all

3000 rets versus 10 DKs

Yknow

Especially at 2400 in shuffle

[marsh yacht]

But ya know, you’re at 2100 exactly with any random mw you can expect them to perform pretty well cuz that spec is a lot more represented than they are populous

[stoic spruce]

Isn't rep and pop the same thing?

[marsh yacht]

No I mean representation above 2100 vs total population

[stoic spruce]

I see

[marsh yacht]

Ret is 6.5% of all players at 80 for example, but 6% of players above 2.1k

So more or less what you’d expect. But arcane is 2.5% of players and 4.6% of players above 2.1. So over performing in this specific sense

[stoic spruce]

Honestly it's gotten to the point where I just look at my death log for anything irregular

[marsh yacht]

It would be much better data if we had these kind of numbers for people who had at least 1 rating or something tho

Was really just trying to point out that ret, while clearly really strong, isn’t just stomping the board like the whole “30% of the mdps above 2100!!” Would seem to communicate

[pliant lintel]

you would need to compare season 2 statistics to present and that would give you your answer tbh

[marsh yacht]

Biggest hang up I think is lack of an actual spec distribution as a whole. Within arena specifically.

I’ve seen what you’d maybe expect to be a decently reliable snapshot, from data pooling addons. But no definitive hard data from blizz api or whatever

I really don’t want to do it manually from blizz leaderboard either lol

If I was at my pc maybe…

[marsh yacht]

Okay I changed my mind about all this fk ret they’re broken

[pliant lintel]

To be fair though if 1 spec is dominating every bracket across every rating I think there’s a clear problem

Regardless of representation

[glass hazel]

blizz just wearing pink shades so they cant find paladins

[marsh yacht]

If I go by just US solo shuffle we haven’t actually reached 5k pallies with at least 1 rating. So the math is there to do I just don’t wanna do it

But they do seem to be over represented above 2100 when compared against their total rated population

So fuck em

[pliant lintel]

I don't really think anything under 2100 is relevant anyway, people still don't understand how to press their buttons or win conditions for comps or even how to do damage properly at those ratings

[marsh yacht]

If I was an insane person or got paid to do this I would probably plot a bell curve that indicated average rating which would actually tell us something

But alas, I am a lowly craps dealer

That data would also only make sense when compared against each other spec so… another more hyper fixated time maybe

[noble venture]

im getting my butt kicked

i wanna get my first 2400 this season, maybe with inflation its possible?

of course i want to improve too lol

[pliant lintel]

yea you can get it, just need some inflation rn is not a good time to be pushing anything that's why most people are playing alts etc

just keep queueing

[noble venture]

not a good time to queue because of class balance?

or just mmr is generally low

[pliant lintel]

both

[noble venture]

fair fair

thanks mr jacko

[pliant lintel]

meta currently isn't in rogue favour so that really doesnt help

[noble venture]

its weird to me, i feel like rogue pairs well with the broken casters

[pliant lintel]

yea it does because you're basically playing to enable that spec

[noble venture]

of course they will get a turn to face me in shuffle, and then i will feel it hahaha

[pliant lintel]

if you have a decent queueing strategy 2.4 in shuffle is relatively easy

[noble venture]

queuing at the right time of day you mean?

prime time i guess

[pliant lintel]

That and say after 3 losses just stop for the day that way you avoid rage queueing and tanking MMR

[noble venture]

that makes sense yeah

i've heard some similar stuff from LoL players

tbh i dont have the patience to play more than one per day anyway hahaha

trying to just do 1 a day for consistency

[pliant lintel]

Same with if you increase rating by say 100mmr just take it as a win and end on a high

[noble venture]

👍

[pliant lintel]

If 2.4 is your main goal consider making another rogue and get one to say 2k then play the other try and pass it to 2.1 then back to your main etc

[noble venture]

sounds like an awful lot of queuing for me personally

i'm already doing shuffle as a means to queue when my friends arent on

but i appreciate the advice

[pliant lintel]

yea no worries man any time, watch your own vods as well and work out why you lost games and what you can do better etc that's probably one of the most underrated bits of advice people give

[noble venture]

for sure vod review is something i can do more lol

[pliant lintel]

yea if you consistently start vod reviewing you'll be surprised how much game knowledge it will give you and how fast it will help you climb

[sick wasp]

@potent pivot https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhD0i2uH_G8

lul

a 14mil barrage over skin

sounds balanced

[spring bough]

I hope he does get mage nerfed lol

[sick wasp]

im playing mage but ye this sht needs to be nerfed

its just not in the same expansion

bro plays around intuition,into flux into barrage

deletes everything

[dark kernel]

Nerf everything.

[spring bough]

Idk what that means but sounds deadly

[sick wasp]

if u see the vid it explains exactly step by step how the oneshot works,its pretyt simple

stacks amps into a final barrage that crits for stupid amount of dmg

[dark kernel]

I don't do damage, I play outlaw

https://tenor.com/view/homer-homer-simpsons-simpsons-workout-exercise-gif-7177306

[digital zodiac]

Theyre like 372938 modifiers

[waxen meteor]

hey hey let me finish mage run first!

[dark kernel]

Waiting patiently for blizzard to undo the fatebound nerf for outlaw

Just get a few of those mega huge daggers

There's the Hakkari Poker is popular

[spring bough]

You’ll be waiting like we been waiting for that restless blades revert since we no longer have the tier bonus that caused it

[dark kernel]

Yeah I know. I already tweeted at Blizz devs about that like multiple times

Ahh I just need to start test driving trickster.

[dusky widget]

Hi, i want to play the 3 specs, haste is still decent to grind blitz as assa ? or its like -30% dmg

[waxen meteor]

My personal take is it's just alright, doesn't worth much thoughts

will get a bit from tier chest, get a bit from passive trinket that's it

and i use badge anyway..

[gleaming sentinel]

blitz mmr ahs to be looked at, i get on a win streak now i cant play today

you get too low you are stuck in mordor

[sharp sierra]

this build is so rng

the actual one is using spellslinger but its technically an exploit

gaining 20 stacks instead of 10 like its supposed to

+1

[sick wasp]

yeah thats what 90% of most arcane mages run atm

this isnt exactly alot of rng but u do need to proc before the combo

[sharp sierra]

im not tbh, i prefer spellslinger but the regular dmaage outside of that exploit is ass

doubt theyd ban anyone for it

[sick wasp]

i think there has to be some action

not exactly to punish epxloiters

just pipe the fuck down this spec

u cant stack so many amps

its stupid

[sharp sierra]

Yeah arcane should reward lining up all procs, i want it to be scary like a MM but its super overtuned and they will delete it like they did last time and arcane will go back to shit and back to 20 year frost meta

[sick wasp]

its jsut that right now,u see arcane getting rundown from hunters and stuff and suddenly something flops

and u cant rly answer to it coz it solos u

nothing u can rly do

it procs u die

[waxen meteor]

Yeah Low MMR is literally random BG

You are doing nothing more than rolling a dice

I am doing 2.3-2.7 games lately, it's also very random

There are so many one sided games

Been on both sides

with Goofy ret rerollers that refused to sit, just wanna go gangbang and ask Affl lock to sit at 2.5

unblievable

[spring bough]

Yeah is disgusting how awful some games are

FC at a low mmr game yesterday. I was at our teams ramp with enemy flag. My healer ran by me while I got 2-3 enemies locking in on me. Fun times

[waxen meteor]

and each random win/lose of those games add/minus 100+ mmr

https://tenor.com/view/headache-stupid-people-oh-my-god-omg-oh-my-gosh-gif-22026951

[surreal barn]

How’s Ravenholdt

[wintry dew]

Sexy

[jolly sierra]

nice look who is back

nice to meet you again dude

[sick wasp]

getting oneshot by everything currently

[jaunty mirage]

Just don’t get 1shot

When the ret pops wings just say no thanks

[jolly sierra]

last night had a match against a WW, a DH and an ret

imagine how ended the match for me

XD

[spring bough]

Same old same old. You better not be blasting as MM in solos you FOTM you 😂

[vocal surge]

mfw I get 30 coins

twice

for Heads

and still lose game

[spring bough]

Yeah pack it in for the season time to reroll DH too

[waxen meteor]

easy 60!

[jolly sierra]

2-0

[waxen meteor]

[jolly sierra]

the ww was a crazy cutting edge player

from last raid

[pliant lintel]

[dark kernel]

Going 6-0 into a spell cleave is wild

[pliant lintel]

tbf was on ruins haha

[dark kernel]

I had a similar lobby and it went awful. No amount of damage did anything

[spring bough]

Them casters def hated life during that lobby 😂

13 seconds guessing mage didn’t block LMAO

[pliant lintel]

Bro should have seen game 5 LMFAO

I kid you not boomie ran in on mount did the disengage jump over tomb landed a triple root beam and I rolled 5 buffs was GG from there

[spring bough]

Sounds like a movie

[acoustic junco]

made an arcane mage ragequit today after he played 2 different sets of shuffle against me

[molten hedge]

Does anyone know of any high end rogue coaches or a guide similar to Rudarz boomie guide that explains advanced topics

[pliant lintel]

for which spec and what do you consider 'advanced topics'?

[languid ravine]

there is no boomie guide explaining quantum physics

[hybrid sapphire]

word on the street is we're using kingsbane now? can i get some corroboration?

[jolly sierra]

i thought chicken druids in dreamgrove just said "get off you noob" when u ask them

as advice

[vocal surge]

You mean Unsub and wait and see if the Outlaw Rework is worth the wait or not

[waxen meteor]

KB vs SBS has been, imo, just a preference

[hybrid sapphire]

ive never even used KB so im scared 🙃

[waxen meteor]

then just stay with bone spike

You can use KB as a small deathmark or a closure spell at below 35%

[molten hedge]

Assa. And most guides aren’t helpful for anyone over 1600. @shadenox is the only one who makes content close to what I’m looking for except I’m looking for something more all encompassing that touches on all aspects of the game

[dark kernel]

It's hard to get what you're looking for.

[molten hedge]

Yep

[dark kernel]

I know what you mean though

[molten hedge]

Rudarz is a god for his guide

[spring bough]

Daaamnnnn outlaw or nothing ig

[dark kernel]

There's a lot of guides for COMPLETE beginners but not a lot of good content for rogues between the ratings of like 2000-2400

[waxen meteor]

should i finish rogue 2.4 first or ret 2.4 first or arcane 2.1 first

i feel if i don't do the ret/arcane run, i won't be able to make it later lol

[molten hedge]

This is one page of his guide (it’s loading). Obviously rog isn’t a caster. But just look how in depth that is

[waxen meteor]

when they get nerfed

[hybrid sapphire]

i think KB probably will feel better than sbs tbh. ill have to see it in action. just specced into it

[vocal surge]

To be fair, leveling in Retail WoW is abysmally boring

and I cant be bothered to level alts and get em geared (expensive af)

[spring bough]

It’s only good on timewalk weeks tbf

[vocal surge]

Even then

its boring

[spring bough]

Gearing up a lot faster now with discounts and delves but the crafting is expensive asf still

Or just buy midnight and boom level 80 DH done

[waxen meteor]

buy a 12.0, get instant lv80

i don't really do dungeons much at retail

[spring bough]

Or ret. Or arcane. Or whatever flavor u want for the month

[waxen meteor]

to levle up

[vocal surge]

Waiting and seeing if 12.0 worth or not

if not, not buying and walking away from WoW

[waxen meteor]

then you will wait like forever

[spring bough]

Sounds like outlaw gameplay gonna be totally different than it is now

[vocal surge]

Ye

[jolly sierra]

guys i am checking deathstalker assa with 4set

and for me its a go

it bursts a DM mark w every shiv

and it have 1 more shiv second

[dark kernel]

I don't know how I got suckered into outlaw

It's fun but damn

[jolly sierra]

from a skirmish when i was testing

[spring bough]

Damn nerf sin

Them boys got demolished

[jolly sierra]

yep gotta stay as DM

dont tell anybody

let em play fatebound

[digital zodiac]

[jaunty osprey]

Ya 4 pc more impactful for Deathstalker’s than Fatebound for pvp

[jolly sierra]

we are homies here in the thread, do u think i can get 2k1 without issues going like this?

[molten hedge]

yo jason im playing assa boomie hpal atm. how do i know when it is a good time to evasion in openers? also, should i be the one to trinket and peel goes vs dangerous comps like fdk cleaves

[digital zodiac]

i just got a lobby with no pally

[jaunty osprey]

Just communication with your healers

on who wants to press first

When my healers tell me it’s their CDs, I refuse to press even if I know I’ll die

Cause if you overlap, you lose anyway

And vs FDK, if you open with stuns, they’ll likely IBF

And then if you garrote silence as they grip

they cant send their go

half of their buttons cant be pressed while silenced

And if they trinket, then you can disarm them

But ya just communicate w your team on who wants to press first or if you feel like you wont be the kill target, maybe tell your team you can trinket and peel

so they can hold

[jolly sierra]

nevermind, gotta go like this

its filthy with 4set

[outer sky]

What spec?

[outer sky]

I just learned recently that if you silence a DK they cant use their silence

[jolly sierra]

deathstalker assa

[outer sky]

sick

[jolly sierra]

so, if fatebounds gets nerfed i will be intact HAHAHAHAHAHAH

https://tenor.com/view/i-m-villain-gif-8105801559398118233

[molten hedge]

Thank you!!

[outer sky]

ive been playing DS all season and ive been doing just fine

i will tell you ive queued into several assa rogues playing FB, many high XP and I've never been less scared of an assa rogue

thats just how it feels

[outer sky]

so 4 set feels good as DS assa? I dont have it yet

[spring bough]

it already did bro lmao

[jolly sierra]

with DS it does

[jolly sierra]

more i say

[spring bough]

33% wasnt enough?!?!?!?!?

[jolly sierra]

w fatebound tbh

ive noticed is mild

[spring bough]

it wasnt mild first 5 days of the season

[jolly sierra]

as you basically force darkest

[jolly sierra]

tier set dude

tier set

cuz shiv basically does the DK shit when they bursts stacks on target

[jolly sierra]

FB its good, i am not used to it tbh

but ye, tier is weaker

ppl is dropping to 2set according to murlok.io and 40/50 guys there are fatebound

[gleaming sentinel]

ive been doing just fine with deathstalker, i prefer it

[jolly sierra]

i regret doing fatebound tbh

when i got back i felt in home

[spring bough]

former outlaw😭

[jolly sierra]

with fatebound, you reduce deathmark cd from 2m to 1.8m and kingsbane from 1m to 55s when a coin is active

[sharp sierra]

its like 100k gold

[jolly sierra]

with deathstalker you increase shiv duration to 1 (lol) and it "bursts" a deathstalker stack

make your conclusions

[gleaming sentinel]

i have 3 rogues

2 of them are outlaw

[outer sky]

they both sound terrible

[jolly sierra]

in practise i forced very quickly darkest night

[spring bough]

i gotta gear up my other night elf for sin

[jolly sierra]

very very quickly

[sharp sierra]

im keeping my horde outlaw

i think will finally do NE and keep that for other rogue specs

[outer sky]

great you got to press a button that does as much damage as a mortal strike or rampage

[jolly sierra]

and it bursted the mark dmg for free in shiv

dunno, but for me worked well

[outer sky]

i'll have 4 set on tuesday

I'll see for myself if its worth it

and report back

[jolly sierra]

sure

but

why you dont have it yet? xd

[outer sky]

didnt do any PvE

[jolly sierra]

ehhhh

ah gotcha true

you could do delves for the next time

[gleaming sentinel]

just dont get 3k mmr in blitz and then not be able to q all week

[jolly sierra]

they awards tier too

[outer sky]

i have no more conq

[gleaming sentinel]

leveling another rogue just so i can play

[jolly sierra]

F

next time

[outer sky]

yeah i'll get it tuesday its nbd

[sharp sierra]

notes up

[spring bough]

dh rating around 1600 and mmr is 2k so i got soem time lol

outlaw is like 1850 and 2.8k mmr i cant get games there

[sharp sierra]

https://www.bluetracker.gg/wow/topic/us-en/2164604-class-tuning-incoming-september-9/

[outer sky]

ret nerfs???

[gleaming sentinel]

im just not q'ing shuffle until ret / sruv / arcane get touched

oh shit

[outer sky]

wow

[spring bough]

no rogue anything except for sub pvp

LMAO

fuck blizz games trash lmao

[sharp sierra]

yeah NE it is

gg

[outer sky]

ret nerfs negligible

[sharp sierra]

Boomie buff LOOOOOOOOOOL

[gleaming sentinel]

crazy

[jolly sierra]

they nerfed templar

HAHAHAHAHAHA

oh fuck

[sharp sierra]

gg arcane i was having fun

[jolly sierra]

they touched the wrong spec

[sharp sierra]

time for frost 20 year meta again

[jolly sierra]

as notes

ret is intact

they should targeted herald not templar

[sharp sierra]

i love they nerfed the only thing keeping mw alive and relevant

[abstract stratus]

@spring bough

[exotic dove]

hmm they did some sub stuff

[jolly sierra]

shadowblades

[exotic dove]

Nerfed blades damage but buffed all damage by 6%

[jolly sierra]

from 10% more shadow damage to 5%

[spring bough]

im offended

[abstract stratus]

HAHAHA

[spring bough]

i get called vanqueef enough in game LMAo

[jolly sierra]

OOF

[dark kernel]

I am actually shocked that the fine rogue spec gets changed and it's a slight buff

[vocal surge]

You mean

1 rogue spec (Sub)

gets a crumbe of buffs

[dark kernel]

Shadow blades is now effectively useless as a damage buff but that doesn't matter because it's just a finisher pumper

[vocal surge]

while Outlaw dead

[jaunty osprey]

😂😂😂

[dark kernel]

Yeah outlaw is shit, just going sub

[vocal surge]

https://tenor.com/view/dies-if-death-gif-23334862

[exotic dove]

I am happy no nerfs and sub gets a buff which I didnt expect

[digital zodiac]

ngl i saw the cropped one taht only said "Shadow bldaes damage decreased" and i was so close to uninstalling the game

[gleaming sentinel]

mfw sub is the brawler spec now

and we have to do more setups for killing spree

[digital zodiac]

[exotic dove]

oh wait they increased the stam bonus of our trinket bonus again I just noticed that

[digital zodiac]

sub is prolly the only spec that cannot kill a target in a stun by himself

[gleaming sentinel]

sub when they cant absolutely delete someone every 30s ^

[vocal surge]

^

[digital zodiac]

who said you need to delete someone in 30s, is about kill potential on burst

ret can delete someone every 30 sec they got a 15% decrease on the wrong spec

[gleaming sentinel]

[vocal surge]

I'd argue Sub > Outlaw

[gleaming sentinel]

im a keep throwing quarters at people as outlaw, idc

with my negative win rate

[spring bough]

3 cheaps and a sub will have u deleted

[vocal surge]

^

Meanwhile we get can +68% Damage Amplification and not be able to kill someone

[spring bough]

Like I cringe if they cheap me without trinket cause I just know 9/10 times I’m dead

[digital zodiac]

you guys prolly dont play on lobbies where they have omnibar and track dances ngl

[spring bough]

It’s solo no one tracking that bullshit lmaooo

[exotic dove]

Yeah I did sub in 2s a week ago and it seemed good I dont see why people think its bad feels not much different than last season when I hit 2.4 with it on two rogues

[gleaming sentinel]

my brother in christ, when i play sub i am disarmed / stunned / feared every dance

[spring bough]

I’m gonna shift to my DH since they avoided nerfs lmao

[digital zodiac]

yeah, you cant measure the strenght of a spec based on being left alone and hitting a dummy with no defensives or other ppl peeling 💀

[gleaming sentinel]

if my team mates take stuns off their bars i can cross my own and win

[digital zodiac]

bet you doing healer dmg and being flamed huh

[gleaming sentinel]

but hunters love triple binding shot

[exotic dove]

The ret nerf is nothing btw

Ret probably still super strong

[vocal surge]

My boi, you not even Rival

[exotic dove]

I personally dont think Sub is bad but I dunno

I guess I could be wrong

[sharp sierra]

its not bad its just that outlaw is 10x worse off

sub is miles easier with less effort

which isnt a bad thing just annoying that outlaw gets left alone

[gleaming sentinel]

wait you're in my lob?

[jolly sierra]

its nothing because they nerfed the wrong hero spec

[spring bough]

You must be happy 😂

[jolly sierra]

ofc

[vocal surge]

[jolly sierra]

my ret is intact

[exotic dove]

I mean I wanted the 1800 pally set so ggs for that I guess

[jolly sierra]

KEK

[vocal surge]

Rival Sub rogue got ego issues

[abstract stratus]

just play game stop rage baiting

[jolly sierra]

you go avatar

not templar

[exotic dove]

Gotcha

[jolly sierra]

templar is the noob bait spec

[exotic dove]

Actually I think Im doing to do my Unholy DK to 1800 for his set before the Ret

he already 80 and with some pvp gear

[jolly sierra]

go frost before nerfs

[exotic dove]

I cant have 2 hander already

Frost Dual weilds

I find Unholy fun though

and its only to 1800

[spring bough]

love when my frost DK teammate hits a 3milly oblit

right after a 2mil frost strike lmao

[dark kernel]

The frost changes are....goncern

[jolly sierra]

ive got 2 big chaos bolt in a row once

died i like 1s according to details from 100% to 0

[sharp sierra]

doesnt say anything about spellslinger exploit either

[sharp sierra]

too much, nerf fatebound by 66%

[spring bough]

ive found that splitting dps as DH actually works lol

[gleaming pawn]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-fine-gif-25423496

PvP balance is still in shambles, most of these changes wont change fuck all

[spring bough]

good thing DH top 5 in solo and top 2 in keys. boutta have a fun season

[jolly sierra]

we are still on circus guys

we just got off arcane and frost dk

XD

(nice)

[dark kernel]

So my electric company notified me my house is out of power literally at 5:30pm as I get home from work, not going to be on until after 10, we have a baby, it's Texas Summer and there's a major thunderstorm

[steep loom]

https://tenor.com/view/america-hurricane-happy4th-of-july-america-flag-independence-day-gif-21259025

[spring bough]

why is LFR u roll a 98 or 99 and always some1 rolling a 99 or 100 lol

[spring bough]

time for the generac

[lavish flint]

So arcane will be quite heavily nerfed? and 6% sub buff hmm...

[hybrid sapphire]

???? lol

[spring bough]

they still gonna be poop lol

[hybrid sapphire]

i never liked them

[lavish flint]

was gonna go outlaw on my NE rogue but with these 6% buffs sub might be the play

[stoic spruce]

Might?

Sub has kill pressure even without the nerfs

[spring bough]

buffs or nerfs

[exotic dove]

Sub is buffed overall

[stoic spruce]

Buffs yeah

Idk why I said nerfs

[surreal barn]

I will be back in a month-ish

House remodel in progress

I can’t even imagine what’s changed. Monks can prob fly now or some shit

[jolly sierra]

they spins and do tons of damage dude

and gl with the house

come back soon, we miss u

[gleaming pawn]

in the grand scheme of things, Blizz is trying to keep Rogues small so nothing has really changed at all

[jolly sierra]

day 6

[jolly sierra]

good shit, he tripped 800 stairs now

[gleaming pawn]

it is though

because forcing Disc to have to Flash Heal is stupid and removes 90% of their kit

atonement could be dialed back a little, but atonement healing actually healing in PvP is such a fucking rarity it's absurd

[stoic spruce]

Yeah I like where disc is rn

[spring bough]

Love me a good 20 mil power word shield

[sharp sierra]

thoughts on a solid dps for rdruid?

[stoic spruce]

Same

[sharp sierra]

for 2s

[gleaming pawn]

any melee

or arcane mage

or Lock

[sharp sierra]

yeah if im dropping rogue im wondering if dh would be best for it

[gleaming pawn]

rdruid goes well with just about everything

[stoic spruce]

Esp in 2s

God rdudu in 2s is so cancer lol

[gleaming pawn]

"best" is going to come down to whatever class the dps is most comfortable with

[sharp sierra]

depends imma try to regear my outlaw back to sin and if its more trouble ill just go back dh till cap unlockl

[jolly sierra]

a ret

[sharp sierra]

i will kms before i play ret

[gleaming sentinel]

so did they edit an outlaw buff while i was gone?

[gleaming pawn]

clearly Outlul is fine

[potent pivot]

Lol they nerfed sub…?

Blades w/e

Weird change

[marsh yacht]

Nerf blades buff overall dmg, nerfed their burst a bit in that sense?

[gleaming pawn]

yeah bizarre change to Sub, but at least it isn't a gutting

but no Sin bug fixes, no tuning for Rogue at all really

we waited weeks for those patch notes btw

[molten hedge]

Sin is good af rn

[potent pivot]

but its very bugged

[gleaming pawn]

it's very very bugged

[molten hedge]

Sadge

What are all the bugs

[gleaming pawn]

and they could tone down the Tails flips from Fatebound while increasing Envenom/Kingsbane damage to make the spec better too

[potent pivot]

a lot of them are listed in the pins of #assassination

[gleaming pawn]

#assassination message

[hybrid sapphire]

im doing so much more damage

with kingsbane wthat thefuc

[sharp sierra]

i ran kingsbane tbh its fun

[gleaming pawn]

kingsbane has always been bis, don't listen to the bleeders

[waxen meteor]

Arm gets another 4% dmg buff?

[potent pivot]

guesso yea

[tender tartan]

I hate demon hunters

main character syndrome while im trying to 6-0

for context, bro was bitching at me about rsham dying in solo shuffle while refusing to use his cc to mitigate some of the dam being pumped into our rsham by frost+arms

didnt even give him darkness

[spring bough]

DH was griefing and projecting 😂

[tender tartan]

Dude its literally every havoc main i encounter

veng mains will own their mistakes

but havoc just deflects and yells

[jolly sierra]

what are you expecting

they are most former undead rogues

edgy af

[sharp sierra]

yo wtf chill

https://tenor.com/view/uplad-already-gif-13330774179853958432

i am curious if the mid range spec will be fun or a buggy mess like every other "mid" range spec lmao

[jolly sierra]

the ones with blindfolds and strafing when they kidneys you

lol

[clever scaffold]

i was checking the pinned messages but didnt see my answer. As a assa rogue, do i want 4 set or just 2?

[hybrid sapphire]

im getting gigaflamed after matches and its tilting me

then i dont get to queue again for liek 20 min

[sharp sierra]

@spring bough hmu when you need secret goro transmog

[potent pivot]

4

[clever scaffold]

do we know what pieces for sure?

[hybrid sapphire]

should be pants helm shoulders chest no?

from conq pieces

[gleaming sentinel]

6 straight blitz losses on the main, its over

[spring bough]

Alts the main now

[spring bough]

Lookin good. But I gotta rock my warglaives lol

[gleaming pawn]

Everything but shoulders for Sub/Assa

[grave basin]

so im guessing we all saw the notes

no nerfs to DH

no nerfs to uh dk

no nerfs to dawnlight

[gleaming sentinel]

pve main, alt will ge the pvp stuff done lol

[grave basin]

im ready for midnight

gonna make a castle nathria house

[potent pivot]

check the thread

[potent pivot]

nop

[hybrid sapphire]

ah gloves intsead of helm it seems

[potent pivot]

Huh

[hybrid sapphire]

nvm i cant read

[potent pivot]

all but shoulders

like seiji said

if you ever forget, you can check wowhead's Sub pve page

because sub uses similar stats in pve as assa/sub in pvp

[gleaming sentinel]

blitz is so weird man

only 1 peson loses cr lol

[exotic dove]

Isn't this the second time in a row where they buffed the stam on the trinket bonus?

Wonder how much it will slow the meta

[potent pivot]

At least they nerfed a lot of arcanes modifiers

I’m just surprised the ret nerf is so small

They must really not want to piss off the pally community again

Also very surprised outlaw didn’t even get pve buffs.. but boomie did lol..

[gleaming pawn]

yeah, crazy that these are the post RWF tuning notes

[grave basin]

not a big fan of this

they need to nerf outliers in terms of individual spells not just keep buffing classes that scale with stam

black arrow didnt get touched too which is just weird

[grave basin]

boomy alrdy built like a shit brickhouse in bear form

[exotic dove]

Probably if its big enough might have me playing Assa over sub

instead of both like last season

unless that 6% sub buff is compensation for that

[grave basin]

my uh DK stonks keep keep going up

not even touched kek

[exotic dove]

Yeah I have my UH Dk too

good thing I wasnt frost

Assa Aff unholy feral and others like them benefit from this second stam increase

[grave basin]

locks with dark pact

hunters also get more stam

[stoic spruce]

Unholy isn't nerf worthy, they're just stronger than they usually are

[marsh yacht]

Idk how much of overall damage is shadow blades so idk how to gauge the effect on sub

Wonder how assa/ fire does

If we’re possibly getting enough space to actually rot people

[grave basin]

they completely destroy low lobbies

i dont think ive even lost a single lobby yet

fresh toon with no mmr

[jolly sierra]

you are close

keep going

[stoic spruce]

That doesnt really mean anything when people trinket sap on opener

People that low don't know how to react to CDs

[grave basin]

that's my point

lol

[jolly sierra]

i just crimson tempest them

in apocalypse

and disarm there

kek

[sharp sierra]

I love the idea of lower numbers to see damage better but I also think hitting something like a mil should be a cool feeling like on a mage, hunter, any other burst spec

Idk what that would make base health I can’t remember the last time 1 mil was like peak damage

[pliant lintel]

hmmm 6% damage buff but a 5% stamina buff on trinkets

[marsh yacht]

What% of rogues damage is shadow blades normally?

[gusty hedge]

when did augmentation get disintegrate?
must be a typo

[stiff mesa]

They have it baseline I'm pretty sure but swaps to eruption from a talent

[humble turtle]

Is it good to macro secret technique and eviscerate so secret technique will pop out when its avaiable?

[potent pivot]

no

[grave basin]

Absolutely not

[spring bough]

im in trade. ask for some1 to craft and they tell me "send to X char ill log over" and they were already on that one lol

[gleaming sentinel]

bot

[spring bough]

is this new eversong/silvermoon area gonna be instanced like it is on live or will it finally be apart of the world 20 years later

[jade hollow]

are these stats ok as outlaw?

[potent pivot]

!stats

[lethal roost]

These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.

Subtlety: Vers>Mastery>Crit>Haste
Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Crit=/=Haste
Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
You likely want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw for an extra GCD during ADR/Crackshot windows. Take 'em by Surprise gives you 10% during CS windows, so you only need 10-15% from gear.

[potent pivot]

Kind of a lot of haste, but stats in general are kinda w/e on outlaw

[jade hollow]

so more crit, less haste?

or more versa

thanks btw ^^

[gleaming sentinel]

this might be a dumb ass question tha ti should know, but do you shiv before u do dmg or does it matter?

idk if that makes sense

[potent pivot]

Huh

For assa? Or

Balancing changes? What balancing changes?

I don’t see any fucking balancing changes

[gleaming sentinel]

yea sorry

like do u shiv before stuff like deathmark

or can it be after

[tight egret]

New rogue pvper here only ever touched pve anyone know the best resource to get not bad? Like youtubers or articles?

[potent pivot]

you want to at least get bleeds up before doing your first shiv n shit

other than that its sorta whatever you need

depending on build or what kinda window you're doing'

[gleaming sentinel]

i do deathstalker

[potent pivot]

you can watch yt vids or twitch streams but i would only pay attention to the pvp centric things, like CC/defensives etc

builds/gear/etc gets outdated fast and is often just plain wrong in a lot of yt vids

if you know how to pve, then you just need to practice the pvp stuff

like you should know how to do okay damage already, so just go practice pvp

[marsh yacht]

cs > dm/garrote > ambush > rup > shiv > recheap > garrote > ct > full evis

Roughly what I’m doing but order of cs and garrote change vs classes that can wall/blink/port

[potent pivot]

you kinda want bleeds up before pressing DM

[marsh yacht]

Ngl I thought it had to be up to copy the bleeds

[potent pivot]

naw

pretty much everything in the game works dynamically these days

[marsh yacht]

I’ve also only just added kings bane in, so I’m tryna figure out how to optimize that

[gleaming sentinel]

that was my question about shiv, tahts what i figured

[potent pivot]

yeh

[marsh yacht]

Pve wise I know you want your entire dm to be covered by shiv

[copper arrow]

Does that require 2 shivs during dm?

[marsh yacht]

Yes

[potent pivot]

only reason it's better to have bleeds up first is so you don't waste a couple globals worth of your buffs

[marsh yacht]

Although tier I think extends duration?

[potent pivot]

yeah thats mainly a pve thing

[copper arrow]

Btw how’s assa feeling in the meta rn?

S tier? A?

[potent pivot]

assa is fine

tier lists bad

[marsh yacht]

They’re over represented above 2100 when compared against what you’d expect from their population alone lol

So probably strong

[jaunty mirage]

Watching rets press both trinket and bubble on the opening stun even at higher mmr is certainly something

[marsh yacht]

O wonder how ret rogue is doing rn actually

Just… ret mortal strike

With cc

[jaunty mirage]

Ret+anything is good

[gleaming sentinel]

im loving assa coming from outlaw lol

[jaunty mirage]

I’m loving this 2025 Honda civic coming from a 1985 ford pinto

[marsh yacht]

Ret assa. Retrot and… idk disc since they’re getting turbo buffed

[gleaming sentinel]

jokes on you im not a car guy

[jaunty mirage]

Lmao

[marsh yacht]

Mechanics always already have meanings for the words I use to describe shit.

“Yeah it’s like knocking”
“KNOCKING!?”

[jaunty osprey]

Should we close our discord

to get Outlaw buffed

[potent pivot]

💀

[gusty hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/jack-nicholson-jack-nicholson-yes-yes-nod-head-nod-gif-17444176260167585294

Random Bgs feel good when the heals are on point

[carmine sequoia]

Can we hope for an outlaw buff in Midnight season 3? 😆

[jaunty mirage]

They’d just be like “fucking FINALLY” and buff ret again

[pliant lintel]

Outlaw too broken for them to fix

[sharp sierra]

I must be screwing up my rotation because coin is typically like 1.5x the damage of my bte

[languid ravine]

doing m+ for like two weeks now and I think I got superaids now

gonna go back to shuffle queueing 40 mins instead

you guys dont know how good shuffle is

[gleaming sentinel]

I’m waiting til next week to shuffle. Tuning

So I’m just losing all my mmr in blitz

[grave basin]

im just sending 1 shuffle a night

win or lose dont care

[spring bough]

usual day with blitz... 8 pops till it finally goes thru

[polar socket]

Dude is it normal that im in A FUCKING QUE FOR 20 minute?

and ppl still wonder why pvp so dead

cause ppl dont want to sit in que for the rest of their lives

i guess its insta pop on healer

[digital zodiac]

i love waiting 20 mins just to get warr/ret or ret/dh and lose my sanity

[keen canopy]

yeah that's normal

pvp is dead because pvp is dead

[spring bough]

this vote to kick on timewalk so abusive. got in one with geared 80s im assuming they queed together and insta booted cant que for 30min... lol

[polar socket]

sadge

[gleaming sentinel]

healing is an instant q

[polar socket]

maybe i should re roll healer then lol

[spring bough]

fistweaver.. then u can just dps and auto heal LOL

2.2k mmr on blitz with the DH and ques are going quick right now

[jolly sierra]

i've had ones from 1h+

[polar socket]

its my first shuffle i guess thats why it take year xd

[jolly sierra]

nah

[polar socket]

then my pvp carrier ended before it starts

[spring bough]

man DH and outlaw just own temple map

[jolly sierra]

good luck

[spring bough]

just stick it out first few ques they will speed up

avg rn for solo and blitz been around 12min today for me

[polar socket]

let me try more 😄

[pliant lintel]

If it’s first rounds of shuffle placement games generally take longer to hop in a queue then it’s normally between 10-15 min queues until you get high MMR

[spring bough]

how does a boomy cast ZERO clones when a ret and DK are smashing him

how is that possible

[polar socket]

UNBELVIABLE

CANCELED

NICE

[spring bough]

wait till u join one and its just 5 people and insta ends

[polar socket]

😭

[spring bough]

yeah first solo lobby of my day 2.2k sham quit out after losing first 3 rounds gotta love it

vicious stones almost up to 6k a pop wow

[polar socket]

lol

idk how pepole boost PVP

it looks impossible tbh xd

[digital zodiac]

wait till u join one play 2 someone ragequit and u draw with 0 points

[languid ravine]

wait till you get the bad healer three rounds in a row before he decides to ragequit

[sharp sierra]

Gold is at an all time low rn

[jolly sierra]

or u get the 6-0 guy but a dumb guy leaves when you get the winner for the final rounds

[digital zodiac]

[formal pebble]

My sockets looking at me everytime I abandon them for some quick easy gold

[potent pivot]

Whoever you boost has to be half decent enough to hit their goal in the first place

[languid ravine]

Sockets are the most useless they have ever been except for

the entire 8.3 patch

where sockets reduced your power

thanks to blizzard scaling

[formal pebble]

See but I like my movespeed meta gem

[sharp sierra]

The +1000 one is nice

Think there’s an even higher one I have

[dark kernel]

I already saw a dude that's full 720/723 gear except for both trinkets

that's actually wild. I didn't know we were pretty much full epic by week 4

[jolly sierra]

dude what the fuck is this

one more

if i get another L i gotta leave for today

[final kite]

The npc to cross faction queue is always horde side now

[potent pivot]

can't use the server for lfg stuff ><

[final kite]

Alright

[tender tartan]

Ret War War Hpal Disc who blames us for not having infinite kicks for the penances

💀

I love shuffle

out here getting locked down with a disc bitching at me

[dark moon]

this happened in shuffle?

[jolly sierra]

yes

[dark moon]

on a geared char?

wtf is this damage

[stiff cedar]

Infernal bolt from demo

It can crit big, as you see

[dark moon]

thanks for the clarification

[spring bough]

welcome to pvp this season

[jolly sierra]

thank you

[spring bough]

you are very welcome

[dark moon]

i love how polite you guys are

after a 7 mil crit in da face

[jolly sierra]

gotta be hardstuck for a while tho

this will be a long trip as rogue tho (got a 4-2 this time, finally)

where is my ret hmm

[wanton breach]

not even arcane barrage for 18M

https://tenor.com/view/wolf-of-wall-street-rookie-numbers-gif-20904132

[formal pebble]

Almost to 1800, which is where I ususally stop, but damn that 1950 enchant is calling me

[pliant lintel]

Keep queuing brother you’ll get it

[dark kernel]

.................UIUUUUUUUUUUUUU,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

[formal pebble]

Im going, but damn when it stops giving +250 a win.

[keen canopy]

8 million?
that's light work these days pal

if an arcane barrage doesn't hit you for 20 million are you even playing the game?

[nocturne fern]

is undead a bad race for pvp? should I make a orc?

[pastel burrow]

play whatever race u want in pvp

[novel karma]

Ngl, killing spree can crank damage in pvp

Pretty good global to press

[gleaming pawn]

you either play Night Elf, or it doesn't matter

*Orc is ok, but if you're stuck in a stun chain you're dead either way

[nocturne fern]

damn everyone saying nelf is the best for like druids too. Is there a nerf in play for them?

[gleaming pawn]

nope racials will never get changed, and Meld is OP for Rogue

[stiff cedar]

Nelf is best for druid, particularly resto and feral less so for boomy but it's still a great defensive

[jolly sierra]

fkn nelves

[nocturne fern]

Yeah I started making a druid but after I saw how bad the troll transmogs look I wanna just go with nelf. But all my friends are horde

[gleaming pawn]

luckily this doesn't matter except for casual BGs

you can queue with them for anything rated

[nocturne fern]

Oh damn really

Is casual BGs the only restriction?

[gleaming pawn]

for PvP yeah, maybe skirms too

but you shouldn't be wasting time in Skirms anyway :p

[keen canopy]

i hate meld i hate meld

[digital zodiac]

if playing assas the extra subterfuge is really comfy

[gleaming pawn]

to be fair, a racial that gives you a free restealth on a class centered around stealth was always rigged from the start

[digital zodiac]

but i wouldnt know about it cuz i dont play nelf

[lavish flint]

fatebound or ds for assa what u think?

[keen canopy]

in pvp i prefer fatebound

[gleaming pawn]

both work, DS might do the most damage by a small margin but Fatebound is more forgiving and easier to play

[acoustic junco]

That comic needs a worgen in it

I meme for a reason

[tender tartan]

send me a therapist

[dark moon]

What in the...

[tender tartan]

Therapy needed

still won

but desperate for it

[dark moon]

4-2?

[tender tartan]

nah is 2v2s

[dark moon]

Oh, nice

[lavish flint]

ty i'm trying it out rn and i like it so far feels smooth

[keen canopy]

a lot better with 2 piece set

[pliant spoke]

is sub using 4pc this season? im not seeing anyone use 4pc

[sharp sierra]

[digital zodiac]

not yet avaliable thru conventional means

[keen canopy]

im using 4pc on my sub idk if it's really good or not though

[pliant spoke]

with a mix of pve and pvp it's attainable

[digital zodiac]

not conventional for pvp players

[stoic spruce]

Attainable vs conventional

[pliant spoke]

sounds like a strictly pvp player problem 😛

[gleaming pawn]

play PvE, you'll get better at the game and be a better PvPer for it

[sharp sierra]

SLEEPY

[spring bough]

so hows rogue pvp

[keen canopy]

brother in ravenholdt you play rogue pvp

[stoic spruce]

He's asking that knowing the answer to bait

[spring bough]

i played some outlaw the other day and it didnt go well lol

[runic laurel]

He doesn’t understand what you two mean he’s a dh and his reading comprehension has already tanked

[stoic spruce]

Many such cases 🥀

[tender tartan]

scoobydoo has only secured my hatred for ret

also am i the only one who feels like arms may not need 4% flat increase?

[stoic spruce]

That's me in there

[tender tartan]

they're limited by uptime but i feel like anything an arms is slamming its head against is in a LOT of pain

maybe people just arent pushing defensives

[keen canopy]

yeah idk why they're buffing arms

[gleaming sentinel]

my outlaw is just getting farmed in blitz and i cant stop q'ing

meanwhile my assa rogue ahs been in q for 2 hours

[marsh yacht]

The blue text floored me

But also everyone got 5% more stam

[tender tartan]

might as well have been 1%

[gleaming pawn]

Happens every season for years now. Warrior is doing tons of damage, and blizzard buffs them some more

[spring bough]

im in blitz... ret is sitting FR... we cap DR too... ret decides hes gonna go to BELF and just sit... we lose FR and right after that lose DR and the game

[sharp sierra]

pikaboo dropped video winning on outlaw so its def meta and best in class spec forever

[gleaming pawn]

good maybe they'll nerf Outlaw some more

[hidden moth]

anyword on comp stomp return?

also how are the new patch notes

[exotic dove]

Yay a triple Ret shuffle lobby. My third one this season

shame me if you want I left that before it even started

ill take a 15 min deserter not dealing with that again even if its not on any of my rogues

[gleaming sentinel]

cba shuffle man

next week nothign but ret lol

arcane surv nerfed

[exotic dove]

I love shuffle dont get me wrong but im not dealing with that lobby again

oh yeah true

[gleaming sentinel]

i just dont enjoy facing dobule and triple ret

its just not fun

[exotic dove]

I might have to take a break its looking like Ret apocalpyse 2.0

Or just play my BM Hunter and troll with diamond icing every ret I see

[exotic dove]

If I Do play assa I cant really use deathmark in shuffle lobbies so I went back deathstalker instead of Fatebound

at least for today

every lobby is a ret hpal and pres or 3 at once or worse

well I treat Deathmark as a BoP getting more than an actual offensive CD

[jolly sierra]

deathmark is a bop bait

[exotic dove]

it is

The amount of games I won against any evoker any hpal etc just not using it cause they wouldnt use Bop is still funny to me all the way to 2400 cr

[gleaming pawn]

DM in Fatebound is mostly for the coin flips

and doesn't really matter if it gets dispelled or not

[grim forum]

does anyone have a good guide for Sin rogue in PvP rn? i want to learn openers and such

[gilded gulch]

unironically true

i've won so many meleecleave matchups purely off damage

[exotic dove]

I do mythic plus but I CBA about raiding

[gilded gulch]

i didnt play dh for like 2 expansions and got 2.3 in shuff on it in a week

lmfao

[exotic dove]

Ret is like that too according to a friend of mine

Why I am thinking about it for an alt

*not thinking doing one

after I get the 1800 set on my Dk

[gilded gulch]

I still find it really funny how after over a decade, vanguards is still the best ret player.

[jolly sierra]

welp you have mes

he played dk since the very start from beta and arguably is the best dk ever seen as player

[gilded gulch]

there are some dk names still

throughout the years

[jolly sierra]

ye, but he is the first tho who was truly competitive

and still active

[gilded gulch]

true i think vellido branched

before quitting

[jolly sierra]

but... tell me

who is the best mage player?

[gilded gulch]

depends who you ask

[jolly sierra]

in pvp matters

even if venruki is a meme rn he is still a very very good mage

[gilded gulch]

i see alot of people

suck off nolifer

lmfao

[jolly sierra]

still find funny than gelubaba keep playing panda as mage

[gilded gulch]

most people ik say its somewhere between like thesia and raiku on eu

[gilded gulch]

does he still

[jolly sierra]

think so

last time ive watched him in AWC like that

[jolly sierra]

but btw, once i faced trimaz w his alt mage, was 100% him

because the guy drew a imaginary range line and kept it permanently to delete ppl in arena

and everytime u tried to approach him he ran away w a blink at the same disgusting exact 40y

[gilded gulch]

i thought he only played rogue

interesting

[jolly sierra]

thought the same

but was 100% him

average player doesn't do that

[gilded gulch]

i miss

the rare rat streams

most entertaining streaming rog

[jolly sierra]

rat fkn bullied me on twitter once

i recall

xd

[gilded gulch]

its just funny cuz

hes malding perma

[jolly sierra]

he had appeared here at least twice

he named me "Solo shuffle only player" to cover my name

just cuz i said rbgs were dead and rewards needed to be extended to revive the bracket

[gilded gulch]

rbgs been dead for awhile

[jolly sierra]

indeed

i think everyone at 2k4+ which isn't blitz already knows each other

cuz the low amount of guys going like that

[winter basin]

Im playing assa at 1.8k (just started) and got soweit question. Do I need to activate thistle tea before rupture or improved garrote (same goes with on use trinket and racial) so that bleeds are increased OR are they improving my already existing bleeds ?

Soweit =some

[grave basin]

no

tea before burst

[cunning vessel]

Use tea with shiv. Macro racial and trinket with deathmark or Kingsbane.

[grave basin]

with your shiv or deathmark or kingsbane depends on situation

i would just use it with shiv

cause you always shiv during your go

[cunning vessel]

Unless yer nightelf. Then obv use meld on a diff bind

[winter basin]

Can I make a macro with tea together with shiv?

I got one using racial of orc, use 13 (on use trinket), deathmark. Can I also include tea before deathmark so deathmark make use of it? If so, i could

1. use tea
2. use that macro
3. use kingsbane

Also, if 2 visible,

I always, when they Stack,
Garrot (2times), rupture, then CS both, coldblood envenom.
By doing this both are quite on 60 or even 50% HP.

Is that a good starter?

Im playing with a pri

[tight egret]

Any tips for killing boomies? I can only think of bursting them only out of bear form and interrupting their CC channels, I also cloak that dumb laser thing

[exotic dove]

My Rogue Devtar is the unluckiest of my Rogues another double ret lobby. At least its not triple ret I guess like earlier

[dark moon]

Don't burst into bark i guess. They are hard to kill I think

[dark moon]

This is disgusting. Reminds me my arms war last two lobbies - arcane mage boomy spriest. 1-5 like q champ

[tight egret]

I think best thing to do when I get my next shot is get the bleeds up cloak the beam vanish and let bleeds deal dmg the reengage for full burst

[exotic dove]

I manged to get another 2-4 with the rets

I swapped to Deathstalker

[dark moon]

Why are you cloaking the fury of elune? Is it that much damage? They burst with starsurge

[exotic dove]

on the last two rounds and it actually worked

[tight egret]

That shit hurty chunks like an 8th of hp a sec and will follow through vanish

[potent pivot]

??

[grave basin]

??

W0t

[potent pivot]

Everything works dynamically, you don’t have to use tea before

[grave basin]

Oh he's assa

Well I clarified with just using it with shiv

[exotic dove]

You know weapon enchant isnt too horrible this season actually

not Shadowflame levels or past ones but not bad

[dark moon]

Feint and maybe vial, but if you cloak something that's 45 sec cd (not sure if its more than that in pvp) you are getting sniped in under a minute

[potent pivot]

Ye but I think their main question was whether tea worked on bleeds dynamically

[dark moon]

Shut down dmg with garrote, stuns and play deathstalker

[exotic dove]

You can play whatever hero tree you want as Assa imo

doesnt matter

[dark moon]

Ofc, but deathstalker bleeds doesn't require to be glued to the target unlike fatebound it seems

[tight egret]

DS just guarantees BIG hit though with darkest night

[dark moon]

Just giving tips on how i deal with pesky casters

[potent pivot]

You can macro it to shiv. Don’t macro it to anything else or you will water charges for no reason.

[potent pivot]

Fatebound is more burst

[exotic dove]

My only thing with Fatebound is the fact that it doesnt have shadowstep cdr like Deathstalker

[dark moon]

But you can quadruple step if needed

[exotic dove]

and yeah Fatebound is def more burst

[dark moon]

Focus step kick healer into step back to dps

[exotic dove]

Over the long game the shadowstep cdr wins

[dark moon]

Or kidney ofc

[exotic dove]

short term fatebound wins

[dark moon]

As it should for that high burst. I feel like addons ruin those sort of spec as you get 8 alarms saying rogue used kingsbane

And everyone is overly prepared

[exotic dove]

THey have WA for cold blood lol and thistle tea lol

too

[dark moon]

Yeah, hahaha disgusting behaviour

It feels like more profit to use tea for almost no reason if they prepare with defensives

Kekw

[exotic dove]

The one thing I won games on last season and this season is with Deathstalker I can get away with using Deathmark a whole lot less and the WA live and die players dont use BOP unless Deathmark happens and someone dies cause of it

[dark moon]

So they have nothing for the real burst 😄

[exotic dove]

I picked up on that habit really quick lol

[dark moon]

In DF when dragon class was in every other lobby i used death mark to bait dispel

It's miserable experience, but also works now with the countless ret paladins in the lobbies

[exotic dove]

You could do that but its far more funnier watching people die with evoker dispell and bop still up cause htey saving it for Deathmark

[dark moon]

And sometimes they wait with cds just cause of the deathmark anticipation. It's a bit if a mindgame

Exactly 😄

[exotic dove]

The best mindgame is to jsut not use it and watch their world burn

imo

Deathstalker works perfectly for that too

I did in DF use deathmark only to get bops or evoker dispell

like you but with Deathstalker you don't need to and its funny watching them not use it

Same thing with Sub I would use a tea get cced hella then I would use blades dance etc and kill someone or get cds

or I would start blades first get cced and have enough time left on blades for dance and do the same thing

DF and TWW I have learned pretty well how to use their weak auras against them