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languid ravine
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my last blitz lasted exactly one minute until my team lost xd

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omegashrug

vocal surge
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last time I played Blitz, the enemy WW (only one in the lobby) destroyed my team

austere walrus
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I guess I'll just keep running until it turns around. Not much else to do

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8 losses and counting

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Team chat be like

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Okay, good talk

dark kernel
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Blitz is fun until you get CTF maps.

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Then it's no longer fun

lost quest
halcyon timber
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Kidnap healers when they revive

languid ravine
halcyon timber
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AB ftw

languid ravine
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wish we had more maps like the new one with the gem in the middle

halcyon timber
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Amazing that you still have people sitting at deactivated nodes though

vocal surge
halcyon timber
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Love eots too though monkeys in the middle drive me nuts

languid ravine
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its like so good because you can actually try different strats but they bleed into each other like carts or mid or ambush

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halcyon timber
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Yeah i like attempting to distract or cause a ruckus long enough to deter a team from rushing there

vocal surge
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I hate elfs lol

halcyon timber
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Same w kidnapping a healer there

vocal surge
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very cringe race in WoW

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WarCraft 2 and 3 elves are chads

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also racial too op

lost quest
vocal surge
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both only viable for Outlaw

halcyon timber
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I hope more blitz in the future have deephaul ravine like focus. Even adding something like that to AB or something large like AB with multi ways to score or turn a match around is def fun

vocal surge
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as a defensive option (human) or utility (Kultiran)

halcyon timber
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Punching people off cliffs is cool. Saw Kleever do it quite a bit ha.

lost quest
# vocal surge also racial too op

I hate Blizzard for not doing anything about 75% of the roster being nelves. What they did to belves, orcs, forsaken and even humans is just unfair

potent pivot
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Sub doesn’t need to be nelf as much as law/assa

vocal surge
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honestly I think racials is stupid

lost quest
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I would also disable them in pvp scenarios if I can

halcyon timber
dark kernel
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I want to be a gnome or undead.

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Honestly gnome might be half decent for outlaw due to root hell we have.

lost quest
lost quest
# dark kernel I want to be a gnome or undead.

Undeads are quite good in blitz cause every other class have fear or sleep. But they just look horrible 😄 lacking customization options and besides iconic bloodfang, they’re pretty short on transmog options also.

halcyon timber
vocal surge
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x)

lost quest
# halcyon timber Heh its cool, good for them man. Less they can say but but rogue has x nonsense

I believe rogue class doesn’t have dev right now. Afaik he had some family issues in df and had our class rework postponed. Then we got hero talents which are functionally and visually lacking. I am still pissed they didn’t name fatebound something else, like gamble or something more attractive :D, got rid of our best talents, replaced with “maybe” mechanic, so we can fill cc bot role little bit better.

halcyon timber
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All devs work on all classes, there isn't a specific dev who is solely in charge of something. This was explained by the main man himself when he had time to discuss some stuff

dark kernel
vocal surge
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fatebound casually getting a slap on the wrist in PvP for Death's Advancr

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2 Grappling Hooks back to back within a 3s window

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for only 10 extra seconds on the CD timer

lost quest
vocal surge
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tranemogs

lost quest
lost quest
# vocal surge tranemogs

Well shirtless Kul Tiran with an eye patch is S tier. 😄 But when it comes to female models humans are definitely best looking.

vocal surge
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aye

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I pref male models over female models

vocal surge
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the human female model looks like a bridge troll

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also once you been in Moon Guard enough

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the female elf models (only good lookers imo) are everywhere

lost quest
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I dont play female models that much also but humans have best boobs- ass ratio. Also the best underwear 😄

lost quest
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Just please dont tell me you’re more into those skinny belves. Or those eiffel tower tall ass nelves. 😄

candid tide
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im into draeneis

austere walrus
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Finally got out of my loss streak. And the next game I go into, one of our healers are using an agility weapon

dark kernel
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I pvp with the Christmas hats on a lot

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I even got one enchanted with the cataclysm helm enchant still

austere walrus
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Rated?

dark kernel
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I have before blitz I think blitz might block you if your ilvl is too low

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Or it just averages your ilvl up

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But that doesn't help for weapons with wrong stats

austere walrus
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Shouldn't be able to queue without having gear that matches the spec you are using. But you can

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I've dropped maybe 1100 or 1200 MMR now

austere walrus
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Their female stealth animation is pretty sweet

dark kernel
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Belf puts the B in bussy

austere walrus
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B.. Blade?

pale storm
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I won a blitz with no helm equipped because I put it in for a redraft and Q popped before they did it lol

spring bough
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So has everyone gone outlaw yet

spring bough
austere walrus
spring bough
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Awh yeah. Second acct alt rogue Vancleef has four piece before my og Vaanncleef

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First ten rolls on dummy are 1 buff….. 😭

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Took 11 to get 5 lol

dark kernel
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That sounds for sure does not always feel like it's there but it is

dark kernel
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I got four and a half hours of sleep last night. Let's see if I can play one shuffle before I want to die

vocal surge
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f

spring bough
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am i doingg outlaw right finally. BTE over BF is wild

vocal surge
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aye

spring bough
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1.7mil BTE to this mage

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lol

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so crackshot was like 2 mil plus that one combined with dispatch lol

vocal surge
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we gotta do Rogue 3s

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lol

spring bough
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outlaw 3s with all aoe talents and just slam healers and kill all the dps at the same time

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GG

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unstoppable force

dark kernel
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That match was so short you managed to do one killing spree lol

spring bough
dark kernel
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When you guys swap between hidden opportunity, I'm assuming you're just still running 20% plus haste, and not grabbing the haste talent out of stealth

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Just to cleanly switch between keep it rolling and HO

spring bough
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oh nope was a 1.34mil BTE and a 350k dispatch crackshot that killed the mage lol

vocal surge
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lol

dark kernel
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That's wild, I think my biggest BTE has been 900K

spring bough
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1.7mil BTE and 1.3mil flurry that lobby

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786k unseen blades too

vocal surge
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aye

spring bough
real socket
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What rogue spec is the strongest atm?

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I play alot of solo shuffle. This season i have only tried assa.

spring bough
vocal surge
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beats all the other rogue specs in all rated pvp content

outer sky
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Assa is kind of shit it seems. I've played about 220 3v3 games this season so far as assa/affi/disc and I think I've seen maybe 5 or 6 assa rogues and I've queued into mirror twice

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And I'm just shy of 2200

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Games feel way harder than they did last season

real socket
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Ah okey thanks for the answer

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Yeah assa feels quite weak

real socket
spring bough
real socket
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Okey thanks

ionic orbit
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when is the conquest maximum going to go up again? isn't it supposed to go up today?

halcyon timber
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It did increase as it does at every reset. Conquest will gradually have more increases as the season goes on as well.

ionic orbit
safe pelican
safe pelican
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Yessir go check lol

outer sky
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I didn't even know that lol I just queue 2s for conq

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I was #1 in shuffle for a while. I think I'm like 5 or 6 now but I haven't queue shuffle since like day 2 or 3 of the season

safe pelican
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lol i seen your name as the homie was casually going over a tier list i was like I know that guy ! 🤣

outer sky
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Was it meep

safe pelican
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Nah Xvic

outer sky
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Can you link?

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Last time i was on a tier list it was meep shitting on me

safe pelican
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Lmao he was just using check pvp to fact check the tier list wait till he goes over assa rogue you’re up there

outer sky
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Ah

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Well maybe I'll go for #1

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I do need conq today

safe pelican
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That’s the spirit lol look at that change of mentality Surebud 2ez

spring bough
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and my arch nemesis Val is number 1.... fkin Val

halcyon timber
spring bough
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its a new haste trinket week for me

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damn. pvp dummy. KIRd 6 buffs into another KIRd 6 buffs LOL

vocal surge
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Lol

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My name appears

dark kernel
spring bough
dark kernel
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so why not something like dirty tricks

spring bough
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could maybe try it. it would probably work better taking dirty tricks on HO

dark kernel
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Like my thought process, was that people took triple threat because the offhand attacks could also proc fatal flourish

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But I don't even know if that's true

halcyon timber
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Cumulatively it would add up no?

dark kernel
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Yeah but you'd have to isolate the damage and add it up. Offhand attacks already mega week

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But if they procmastery it might not be bad

halcyon timber
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I dig, probably something akin to adding 25% to X which would be good and tacking on every generator focused style talent to it /shrug

spring bough
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for KIR 1/2 FTH and pickup precise cuts... thank me later lol

vocal surge
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RGB edition

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Powerade Cleave

dark kernel
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How's it going.

stoic spruce
safe pelican
outer sky
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ok big guys

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is assa running 4 set

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or not

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we know yet?

potent pivot
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give it a few days for ppl to test ig

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can't see the added dmg on details so most ppl aren't going to do it until they see a few top ppl do it

outer sky
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the top people arent playing assa lol

potent pivot
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The top assa rogues

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Newb YAPPP

outer sky
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the scary thing is that includes me right now

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and im clueless

potent pivot
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Now you’re starting to get it

outer sky
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@jaunty osprey 4 set or no?

potent pivot
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Ivan has been afk recently I think

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Either way though

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It’s gonna be the same as last season

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Within like 1% dps difference type shit

jaunty osprey
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wat

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havent been afk

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I tagged u in smth

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from AWC TR

potent pivot
jaunty osprey
potent pivot
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Yeah I saw it

jaunty osprey
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don't think it's worth it tbh

potent pivot
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Thought you said you weren’t able to play for a bit the other day

jaunty osprey
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you lose 5% bleed damage at all times

potent pivot
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So didn’t know if you tried it out

outer sky
hidden moth
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Rogue
New Hero Talent set: Ninja
Imagine if a Rogue got a low taper fade.
If he lied to me, I cut him loose like a razor blade.
I wanna blow high as a paper plane.
I dream of being on a stage with Maiev.

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low taper fade rogues

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confirmed

jaunty osprey
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Didn’t notice too much of a difference

stoic lava
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Any 4 set enjoyers in the chat 🧐

jaunty osprey
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@potent pivot @outer sky play 4 set

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on assa

outer sky
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Cant I already crafted legs

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why what happened

jaunty osprey
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aiden and i

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just doing more testing

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on awc server

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it isnt that big

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of a diff at all

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tbh but

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if you're at 1 stack, and it clears

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it insta puts you at 10 stacks for 6s

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not bad

outer sky
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yeah but thats what it says it does

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on the tooltip

jaunty osprey
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and it can refresh

outer sky
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so i would hope it would do that

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yeah any time it would clear it gives you full stacks

jaunty osprey
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and you can stack while u have the cashout 4set buff so when the cashout buff fades

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you can be at a higher stack already

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the good thing about it is this part ^

potent pivot
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but i went ahead and got it so was gonna be stuck with it for a while either way

jaunty osprey
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does it have

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an ICD

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it

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disappeared from me

potent pivot
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going to do a few 5 minute tests tmrw

jaunty osprey
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without giving me cashout

potent pivot
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it doesn't ALWAYS give it right

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sec

jaunty osprey
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oh yeah

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you have a CHANCE

potent pivot
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ye

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the chance % is decent

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the pve guys had to manually test it a lot to get the %

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its like 66% chance? iirc

jaunty osprey
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bro

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i was at 10 stacks

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cashout procced

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when cashout faded, i still had 10 stacks

potent pivot
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i'm willing to bet that if you did the exact same globals for 5min with/without the set

jaunty osprey
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this is the 4set cashout proc btw

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watch that video

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when it fades

potent pivot
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it'd look decent

jaunty osprey
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i had 10 stacks

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lmao

potent pivot
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you have a 15% chance to drop them per env/rupt/ct cast

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so you can even game it a bit if you track it i think

jaunty osprey
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funny cause

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bassed off feelycraft i just said 10-20%

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still not 100% cause

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it doesnt buff garrote

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so losing that 5% mast/vers is 5% garrote dmg loss for sure

potent pivot
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Yeah assa is very envenom focused rn

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Like in pve

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Env does more overall rn I think

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It’s funny they buffed mut/ambush in pve only

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Like

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wtf would that have hurt in pvp

jaunty osprey
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they dont want us

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to be able to kill psyfiend

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or totems

potent pivot
jaunty osprey
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honestly zicore, not a big deal if u crafted

outer sky
severe helm
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I think if its this hard to tell which ones better

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then the answer is that it doesnt matter 😉

stoic spruce
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One thing is certain

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Outlaw will always play 4pc

neat laurel
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@ashen marsh

ashen marsh
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Anyone know like the best set for tbc subtlety? I’m new in wow xd

stoic spruce
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I don't understand that question

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The best set from tbc?

ashen marsh
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Yes like I’m new idk about wow learning slow, like which weapons are the best to start in pvp? Xd

stoic spruce
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How new are you talking? If you don't know the class, I suggest doing dungeons to learn what spec you like and how they each function. PvP is not a good environment to learn a class.

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In terms of weapons, you get them from Velerd in the south east if Dornogal

gusty hedge
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@halcyon timber i think i played a rando bg with your alt the other dayOMEGAKEKW just remembered the name. I was like Of the RottenOMEGAKEKW

spring bough
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Vaanncleef has been released from jail 🙌

spring bough
vocal surge
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Aye

stoic spruce
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should give outlaw this

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crazy how outlaw is fun when you can just do your rotation normally and not have to worry about adr

austere walrus
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For sub, is vers after soft cap still better than haste?

potent pivot
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stats start to have diminishing returns progressively as you stack more and more, but it rarely matters

spring bough
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being able to convert my hero level PVE gear to pvp item level is the best addition for this season

austere walrus
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Sure, call it what you want but my question remains. But okay, just keep stacking vers and mast

potent pivot
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you can craft conquest level pvp gear to have less vers

austere walrus
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Yeah, that's what I was thinking

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Drop some vers above the initial 'cap', and put it into haste. But I don't know if that's good

potent pivot
austere walrus
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Okay

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Thank you

potent pivot
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you can basically

spring bough
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going for that elite in blitz today

potent pivot
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forget stat DRs exist

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they aren't caps in any real way

austere walrus
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Since they benefit greatly from haste

potent pivot
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stats work differently for different specs yes

austere walrus
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Yep

potent pivot
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the key take away for sub

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is that mastery > vers

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so a lot of crafted conquest gear is good

austere walrus
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Stack that mastery!

spring bough
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bring back pvp to vault 2025

stoic spruce
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Until Temple of Sethraliss is in the M+ rotation at least

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Miss that dungeon

jaunty osprey
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for some reason

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they say it does more dam

potent pivot
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can depend a bit on the actual %s and build

jaunty osprey
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btw so everyone knows, warcraft is streaming the quali games for AWC today!!

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they normally dont

potent pivot
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like if you're actually relying on shit like gloomblade/strike to do dmg

jaunty osprey
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yeah everyone playing gloomblade build

potent pivot
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yeh

dark kernel
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If anybody's watching the Nintendo direct, the switch2 confirmed up to 4K support, depending on developer

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Finally

jaunty osprey
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the switch2 streaming to friends in 4fps

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is so funny

spring bough
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2/9 mythic recolor set almsot there lol

safe pelican
dark kernel
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Elden ring on switch

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how

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like lmao?

dark kernel
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I'm only missing bracers and belt

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Not including bloody token gear cause the 3 ilvl is pretty inconsequential

spring bough
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trickster KIR outlaw

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S-tier shit

halcyon timber
stoic spruce
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Absolutely disgusting dmg breakdown

halcyon timber
spring bough
spring bough
stoic spruce
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Take a guess

halcyon timber
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Yeah i fuckin love Coup ever since alpha testing. I don’t swap off shit

stoic spruce
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Cap

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Caaaaap

halcyon timber
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Satisfying hateful striking

stoic spruce
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Eridian of the Capping

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Mr. Worldwide capper

spring bough
halcyon timber
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Nope I like it, im not about silly gimmixky dumb flashy crap

halcyon timber
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That’s pretty nasty, ig due to your version of nimble + other outlaw stuff ?

stoic spruce
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Can't wait to be washed in 2 years when I find the spec fun again

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Being a hater will male time go by faster

jaunty osprey
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lol

halcyon timber
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May as well fart in a taco bell bag with all that free time and pass out on your own brand

jaunty osprey
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Fatebound surely would’ve beat that

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10000%

noble venture
jaunty osprey
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there aren’t many pets for him to pad on, but yeah he did 35M to players, fatebound would definitely done better in that particular setting

dark kernel
spring bough
dark kernel
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Lmao

spring bough
# dark kernel How

just smashing buttons. that lobby i had 2 or 3 rounds where i started with 5 buffs into a 6th and KIRd them

dark kernel
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Baller shit

spring bough
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cool missed my first 6-0 of the day

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cause priest decied "mage is win trading... he doesnt hit ice block versus me" and then didnt play the last round

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how tf do dps win trade lmao

halcyon timber
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Cruddy feeling for sure.

dark kernel
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How are mages not blocking at nearly 2400 tho like lmao

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I guess big dam

vocal surge
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Aye

spring bough
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demonic tyranny illusion

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is that a past pvp one?

dark kernel
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Yeah

spring bough
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ive got over a dozen 5 or 6 KIRd buffs today

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4 set is godly

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oh wow. converting boots on the catalyst gives u boots with a TON of verse / a little haste

dark kernel
spring bough
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yeah i have them or had them. just converted the bloody token boots lol

dark kernel
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I may do the same. I'm sitting 19% haste out of combat in my PVP set though

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I kind of like the higher haste

spring bough
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bloodstones going for 6k a pop rn too

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time to get rich

dark kernel
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I'm so sad My main rogue is capped on sockets but my alt has zero so rip

spring bough
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why does no1 go mid on mine cart map......

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im the only 1 on off carts and my whole team is lava....

dark kernel
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That map drives me insane because people suck at playing it

grave basin
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tell me why i shouldnt afk

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actually insane that this is possible

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what spec other than survival hunter is least impacted by shuffle rng?

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i cba to play victim specs

spring bough
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frost dies pretty ez

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you gonna get ping pong grippeed tho LOL

grave basin
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the warrior didnt even play disarm

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and went on the healer

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??????

spring bough
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LMAO

grave basin
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thats why i cba

spring bough
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warriors are brain dead zug zugs

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its like playing that class makes any reasonable decision get thrown out the window

grave basin
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he won one game by chain critting against me 3m into 2m execute

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good game

spring bough
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gross lool

grave basin
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sv is good into most match ups but i want an alt

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that doesnt get steamrolled by lobby rng

spring bough
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fury war on my team did this to a mage earrlier

grave basin
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or atleast isnt AS impacted

spring bough
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bro went 90 to 0 in 3.1 seconds

grave basin
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yea that was me

spring bough
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sorry 100% to 0 in 3.1 seconds lol

grave basin
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i swapped my healer

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died in that global

spring bough
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3 M + executes

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my warrior about to get dusted off

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slayers strike passive doing 1 mil plus for wars

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wild

grave basin
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but for real

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what spec has the least counter lobbies

spring bough
indigo hill
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Will Blizz hold off every nerf till after the aren championship?

grave basin
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i actually think outlaw was that spec

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historically

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but it's not doing too hot this season in shuff

spring bough
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20% crit and 21% haste at pvp ilvl we are cooking today

languid ravine
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maybe windwalker idk they rek everything everytime I see one unless there is a mage

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havoc also neutral against most stuff imo

spring bough
dark kernel
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Right now all druid specs for PVP are a minimum of a tier

severe helm
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spriest is one of the most flexible specs in the game

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feral is probably another one

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Id say survival is pretty impacted cuz it sucks with mages

spring bough
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90% + for BTE critting on 20 + casts

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is insane work

halcyon timber
spring bough
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knocking on the blitz elite door... just need 2 wins in a row lol

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who here has a character with 1,000 days played lol

severe helm
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I hope no one

jaunty osprey
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AWC open bracket

dark kernel
dark kernel
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Because vanilla was out 2.5 years

severe helm
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300 days in 3 years

dark kernel
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Averaged 9 hours a day and change

severe helm
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...

dark kernel
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I was in middle school and did school and WoW and did the OG pvp grind

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Fun times

spring bough
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my OG rogue probably has 300 or so days but i created that character in like 2005

severe helm
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how do you get 9 hours when you have to go to school

dark kernel
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I stayed up until 2am playing every day and weekends and summer extra

severe helm
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jfc haha

dark kernel
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It was funny because I had friends who were like...level 20 and 30 and teachers who like barely hit 60 and I was rank 10 already in pvp

languid ravine
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eh I was probably afk the whole time I dont need to get a life its fine

spring bough
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people piss mee off in blitz "NEED A PEEL TO LH"

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spam it 10x over 5 min

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does any1 come? nah

outer sky
spring bough
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yes

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its awful

outer sky
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lol ikr

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you cant even kill the totme

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totem*

spring bough
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i do smoke bomb any1 my teammate warrior spears

outer sky
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because youre constantly in motion

spring bough
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love doing that

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they cant go anywhere and they get bombed

outer sky
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?

spring bough
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no was saying when they are on my team and do it to the enemy

outer sky
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ohhh

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gotcha

spring bough
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i throw a bomb on my teammates spear then the enemy just stuck

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their healer gotta run in

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throw a blind up while that happens usually get some1 with that

outer sky
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then they just fade while running in

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that ability doesnt get enough attention for being as broken as it is

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they need to take bomb off the GCD and make it smaller

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like instead of an 8 yard radius, a 5 yard one

spring bough
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i just want OG manuverability back

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thats all i want in life

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too many roots nowadays we cant get out of

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and we get mages over here with 1000x blinks to get out of stuns, roots, and whateverr else

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blizz just hates rogues lmao

jolly sierra
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ye, its removal was unfair

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mfd was fair imo

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but manuv was just dirty, as was our only safe haven against fucking slow spamming rangeds

halcyon timber
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That came at the cost of ds cdr on step and fb step / hook + deaths arrival or whatever it is for 70% speed during snares

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We also didn’t have 1m sprint back then iirc

jolly sierra
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we did

spring bough
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that was insane utility stunning healers like that

jolly sierra
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manuv was used w 1m sprint

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the reduction was just after the rework

spring bough
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yeah we had it with 1m for a bit

halcyon timber
#

Yeah, all considered when they make decisions on

#

I don’t remember as it has been years but ill take your word for it

#

Hard to say man , really is but likely not returning

#

Mages are looking filthy on the TR stream Jason put up

#

Ele kinda killing multi people at once as well. Mm ranged sack tapping jokers.

spring bough
#

gotta love em

halcyon timber
#

Yeah they just cancel their pets and call out the falcon now for shit and beat your ass from 45 yards heh

#

Not thrilled about scatter going through evasion too

languid ravine
halcyon timber
#

XD

#

Seeing double disengage from gobs

jolly sierra
#

or a vulpera

spring bough
#

1 win away from elite

#

thankfully lost 0 rating on this last lobbys loss lol

languid ravine
jolly sierra
#

go for a furry goblin

spring bough
#

if yall havent PVEd for crimson shreddertank yet... yall need too

#

best mount in a minute. the double jump animation is great too

dark kernel
#

KSM mount bangs I'll get it eventually

spring bough
#

world pvp fun as hell lol

#

we did it S2 elite baby

severe helm
#

Maneuv felt fair on sub and assa but was very very op on outlaw

#

Since sprint has like a 30s CD on outlaw

spring bough
#

finally getting my druid class hall mount XD

pliant spoke
#

whats everyone buying with conq this week

jolly sierra
#

cuz i was dumbass enough to think i would receive one at choice as always instead a catalyst charge

pliant spoke
#

i did that too

#

whats the preferencial tier piece?

jolly sierra
#

shoulders and chest

pliant spoke
#

have those already.

#

do we want 4 pc at all?

spring bough
#

takes forever to find 2 ppl for this legion invasion scenario que lol

pliant spoke
#

skip it

languid ravine
#

Queueing Blitz and Shuffle on two different specs messed up my actionbars, then /reload crashed my game feelsgoodman very awesome spaghetti code

#

and leaving for 1min apparently deletes the entire lobby

#

aaaaaaaaaand 15 mins later I can finally play queue again

real socket
spring bough
severe helm
spring bough
#

HO trickster doing work

#

5 buff roll that rround Lol

real socket
#

Nice!

#

Ima try out outlaw very soon

#

Been playing some ret these couple of days. Its kinda fun. But cant do as much as a rogue can. Impact wise

stoic lava
#

Playing outlaw has ruined other rogue specs for me

#

ocne you go grapple you never go back peepoWICKED

quaint cedar
#

for real idk how you all play without grappling hook

#

4 set on outlaw goes hard

stoic lava
#

I mostly play bg blitz now so

#

opnion is based ont hat but

#

mobility is jsut fun

quaint cedar
#

I finally got it on both rogues and it's cracked how many buffs I'm getting now

#

yeah I can't play things that don't have good mobility

#

but once you play outlaw everything feels like it has terrible mobility lol

stoic lava
#

the damage profile can be annoying for pvp sometimes but

#

mobility 😱

#

Trying to give assa a shot on my 2nd rogue

#

told my self to give it a try until conquest cap but this rogues most likely just going outlaw too haha

spring bough
faint shuttle
#

4 set on assass? yes or no?

last jasper
spring bough
#

OUTLAW BLDE RUSH COME BACK SEASON

#

if we can drop CTO for precise why not drop it for blade rush instead GG

#

inc flurry damage with trickster omfg

stoic lava
#

A man with grapple can solve all problems

#

study this if you want to climb in bg blitz at least

spring bough
#

lil HO trickster with blade rush instead of CTO

#

outlaw >>>>>>>>>>

jolly sierra
last jasper
stoic lava
#

its fun smile

#

current era arena is sleeper

spring bough
#

any1 ever looked at n tried Xylvana's build

#

its like a modified HO without upper handed hitter lol

stoic lava
#

naw I havent

#

which rogue is it on hes gearing them differently

spring bough
#

the one without the characters in the name

stoic spruce
#

Ever since I dropped outlaw, this channel has been like going to an ex girlfriends house to hang out lol

stoic spruce
#

And I don't want her!

#

But I care for her and want her to be better

spring bough
#

😭

#

Telling you. Trickster kir or HO just find joy in it lol

halcyon timber
#

Popo just needs pizza rolls and he will be alright

dark kernel
#

@jaunty osprey saw a bit of your games

jaunty osprey
#

xd

#

didnrt get to practice with my team

#

ive been gone for like almost 2weeks

#

and they've only been queuing lock mage hpal

last jasper
#

have u seen kalvish 2v3 at the turney with no healer? 😄

severe helm
#

Why would you take blade rush?

stoic spruce
#

The extra flurry dmg

severe helm
#

That's not blade rush is it?

#

Blade rush is the charge ability

stoic spruce
#

Yeah

#

Does more with flurry up

#

You know that though

#

I think he just wanted more pad

spring bough
severe helm
#

Dropping cto for that sounds a little rough haha

spring bough
#

With 4 set dropping cto doesn’t even feel noticeable lol

severe helm
#

oh wild

#

I feel like cto is huge still id almost rather drop gs

#

thats usually what I drop for precise cuts

#

cuz the gs damage amp doesnt actually affect your bladeflurry damage

stoic lava
#

Or changed

stoic spruce
#

Energy buffed out of adr

#

And to right click crackshot

#

And move that talent point literally anywhere else

stoic spruce
last jasper
#

peeps is it me or details is bugged and not showing cc for the last like 2 days?

dark kernel
#

Ahh arena

jolly sierra
#

at least he apologized

stoic lava
#

also its not even that bad

stoic spruce
#

You are such a liar

#

It's so bad

#

You do less damage than tanks

stoic lava
#

Damage is fairly mid sure

#

THat's not an energy issue though

#

aslong as you use vanish right adr uptime is pretty damn high anyways

#

Only thing that tilts me about outlaw is its damage profile is really annoying when getting spam micro cc'd

quaint cedar
#

Yeah I'd like non adr energy regen to be better too. Especially HO supercharger gets pretty rough without adr up

#

With 4 set, sleight, and CTO though, the uptime on adr is really high right now

stoic lava
#

outlaw is one spec I feel like doing a little pve is huge gains for pvp

stoic spruce
#

It's actually almost exclusively the reason it's so bad out of adr

#

If it werent the case, you'd be able to crackshot out of adrenaline rush

stoic spruce
#

(Looking at you Marksman)

#

Now you got vanish charges and no adr

#

Literally cataclysm combat rogue

halcyon timber
#

Unga bungas not crossing and we get peeled on all our shit while some monk / mm / mage just accidentally smokes the living fuck out of people by tapping triangle on his ps1 controller

crimson cape
#

Can someone give me a brief assassin burst rotation? Can’t find any good info

#

When shiv?

jolly sierra
#

you shiv every 30 seconds

#

and in the burst with deathmark

crimson cape
#

What’s the burst with death mark?

#

Apply bleeds first?

#

Or after shiv

dim oriole
#

DM with no bleeds = bad times

#

Bleeds up, then DM + shiv went you want the "burst"

low timber
#

Newbie Question - as Assasination R. do i ever use Envenom?

low timber
#

ehh i watched like 20 guides on yt, no single one mention use Envenom

potent pivot
#

whenever you have everyone with full bleeds you envenom, and you have to max combo point envenom to consume Darkest Night so you can keep cycling through your Deathstalker's Mark stacks

#

most youtube guides are ass

#

so that doesn't surprise me

#

you legit have to cast envenom

low timber
#

Thank you, now i need relearn rotation

#

more memory muscle

potent pivot
#

make sure you're tracking Deathstalker's Marks and Darkest Night

low timber
#

i must say classic guides are more detailed than retail ones

potent pivot
#

well

#

a lot changes on retail fairly often

low timber
#

yes i know this is the problem

potent pivot
#

every .1 or even .1.5 patch quite a lot can change

low timber
#

classic is stale

potent pivot
#

so yt guides get outdated very fast etc

#

rogue doesn't really have anyone that makes a 2 hour guide video every season

#

like Bicmex does for hunter a bit

low timber
#

bicmex is legend

potent pivot
#

agreed

low timber
#

and he does all for free - spreadsheet etc - no monetization

#

aka paywall

potent pivot
#

yeah

#

the only stuff that gets paywalled is some people's UIs

#

nahj does his ui for free

proper heath
#

wait

#

Absterge played today?

#

I thought he did a whole twitlonger about quitting

quasi thicket
#

Hey guys, can you help me optimize my Subtlety Rogue build for max burst/one-shot potential in PvP (mainly 1v1 and solo kill setups)?

I'm aiming for a build that can delete a target as fast as possible — not interested in spread pressure, AoE, or sustained damage over time. Just pure explosive single-target damage during kill windows.

Here's my current tree (attached image).

If you were to optimize this for pure 1v1 kill pressure — what's the best path?
Would you keep Finality or go for The Rotten? Should I spec into Thistle Tea, Premeditation, or anything else for more reliable burst setups?

Thanks a lot in advance 🙏

potent pivot
potent pivot
#

sub isn't really going to one shot

#

but

#

you don't have Flag

#

you don't have SC/FI

#

drop subterfuge/vanish charge for supercharger/forced induction

quasi thicket
#

i'm new to rogue, can you explain?

#

and thanks for the insight!!

potent pivot
#

explain which part

quasi thicket
#

So, I only make those changes? :S

potent pivot
#

you need to swap Lingering Darkness for Symbolic Victory

#

you need to take Flagellation

quasi thicket
#

😮

#

Alright! Anymore changes I should be making?

potent pivot
#

sec

quasi thicket
#

Thanks T_T

potent pivot
quasi thicket
#

THANKS SO MUCH T___T

potent pivot
quasi thicket
#

Like so? cheath death, correct?
And thank you once again for your time and info! I do appreciate a llot!!

potent pivot
potent pivot
#

but if you're going for max burst you have to have supercharger and flag like that build

#

shadowcraft can also be very big for the combo point procs allowing you to back to back evis

quasi thicket
#

I see

#

And when to use the gladiators badge?

potent pivot
#

just use it with shadowblades

#

or with dance/symbols if you think you'll be able to land a kill

quasi thicket
#

Alright!!!!!

last jasper
#

last night, too sensitive ppl in a shuffle

#

For how long is a chat mute usually given if it’s the first one ever?

potent pivot
quasi thicket
#

Thank you so much Notrickz!!

potent pivot
#

npnp

last jasper
stoic lava
#

new toon, go 5-1 in a shuffle - go down 100 mmr think

spring bough
dark kernel
#

Think we got one outlaw boy in AWC today

#

vals team made it through

astral ridge
#

can anyone recommend a good pvp spec for daggers in classic? im seeing alot of different builds

potent pivot
languid ravine
#

RETRI ROULETTE TIME!
Which button does my Retribution Pal press to win the game??:
A: Magic Blessing of Protection
B: Hammer of Justice
C: Lay on Hands
D: Divine Shield
E: All of the Above

#

it was a trick question, he pressed none

halcyon timber
#

Lol

#

Was about to say just blade of justice and empyrean hammer as alternate choices as they don’t use defensives

stoic lava
#

It does depress me how few people play dwarf th

#

DWARF RISE UP

spring bough
dark kernel
#

Ice cold

#

I didn't see it but Kalvish team apparently won a 2v3

potent pivot
#

i don't see a vod up on the warcraft channels

#

is it only up on player channels?

halcyon timber
#

There was a team with a pres evoker and a wind walker who 2v3d a few times yesterday in that broadcast

dark kernel
#

It wasn't streamed by any official channels @potent pivot

#

You had to find individual people

potent pivot
#

oh

#

ivan said they were gonna stream it

dark kernel
#

Nahj watched and commented on a lot of the big games

#

Let me see there was a YouTube of some stuff

halcyon timber
#

Blizz did on yt

dark kernel
#

This is Nahj pov I'm trying to find the actual stream

dark kernel
#

Baller.

potent pivot
#

how strange

#

i can't find it on their channel

#

oh, its 'unlisted'

#

looks like whaazz played fatebound

dark kernel
#

Val did too and Palumor

halcyon timber
#

That’s weird and wish they would have announced it on yt. Maybe because it wasn’t a big ol production to cause a commotion.

dark kernel
#

I thought it was interesting every rogue that did outlaw defaulted fatebound, but it's probably a safer pick

halcyon timber
#

I watched the whole time when Jason put it up trying to support our guys.

potent pivot
#

kinda seems like its a lot of people just getting steam rolled by the usual competitors

halcyon timber
#

Lots of meme teams rolling as triple damage dealers to get the banner and people not showing up in the bye matches too

stoic spruce
#

In pvp

#

I hate myself

#

Its so good too

#

My god those FDKs

#

I had an answer for everything

spring bough
#

first blitz of the day... new mine cart flag cap map.... and not 1 person said a word lmao

#

and we lose miserably... love it

last jasper
languid ravine
#

my entire team in blitz consist of dps doing 200k dps each

#

we won 100-1500

halcyon timber
#

I just turn chat off man. Im not getting baited into a ban.

last jasper
#

I usually the one who is reporting lol

halcyon timber
#

Yeah im just saying nothing, I learned people like to stir the shit pot too much to be civil and I get silenced / chat banned whatever.

spring bough
#

2nd blitz of day... MM couldnt handle capping farm for us and gave 0 shout outs he needed help

halcyon timber
#

Yeah i just ping warning before contact happens at this point

#

People’s awareness needs to be there instead of trying to meter maid it

stoic spruce
#

It

#

At first ot was funny but now I'm confused

#

I've been calling people, rets, "people", the r word and absolutely nothing

last jasper
stoic spruce
#

Yes they deserved it ofc

#

I bet I paid off a dev in a past life

last jasper
stoic spruce
#

0 chat bans in wow and I wear it like a badge of honor

last jasper
#

Telling ppl the r word?

stoic spruce
#

In wow

spring bough
stoic spruce
#

Not here

#

I like yall

last jasper
#

you can't here lol (sadge)

halcyon timber
stoic spruce
#

But I won't complain because it's unfair to my advantage

#

Suck it

halcyon timber
#

Or fkn cant remember which

last jasper
stoic spruce
#

That's probably what got you suspended

#

Smh

last jasper
#

But again, as a response to flame from some1

stoic spruce
#

Not very social contract of you

spring bough
#

10000%

halcyon timber
#

Ha

last jasper
spring bough
#

soon you wont even be able to call people "good boys" smh

dark kernel
#

You can get popped in WoW for really ridiculous shit.

stoic spruce
dark kernel
#

In SL I ate a 2 week ban for saying "Don't look up US congressmen with Israeli passports"

halcyon timber
#

But some dude can say 50 other direct insults but if i say fkn / fuggin then I get mass reported by the rats and have to talk to a dev

stoic spruce
#

Oh noooo now you gotta go play a good game instead

#

What a predicament

halcyon timber
#

Ive had one account with my only character for the entire time. Im not risking that crap.

spring bough
#

i thought wow was as good game

stoic spruce
#

It's good in the sense Ark is good

#

"I HATE THIS GAME.... alright let's queue another"

potent pivot
#

this conversation ResidentSleeper

stoic spruce
#

Goody two-shoes over here

halcyon timber
#

Hek kek

spring bough
#

i bet trickz is the biggest shit talker in game

#

no doubt

stoic spruce
#

Ain't no way he's not

#

He's got a mouth on him for sure

dark kernel
#

Everyone I know sends discord links to pull people in channels and talk shit directly.

#

Lmao

stoic spruce
#

I'd send DMs but I'd get banned eventually

#

Quickly really

last jasper
stoic spruce
#

Well there's no one here I'd DM

stoic spruce
#

Also

#

Since we're on this topic

#

I'm pretty sure blizz puts so much junk loot in the game specifically to send to other people

halcyon timber
#

Dunno im glad to vendor stuff to make easy cash

stoic spruce
#

It's not enough. I NEED to fill the mailbox of the person who whispered smack and immediately /ignore with junk

#

Loke

#

Like

#

So much that he needs to scroll down

halcyon timber
#

Go to an old raid from bc or do molten core

stoic spruce
#

Buddy

#

I already have the strat down to a science

halcyon timber
#

Plenty of crap there haha

#

Send it cod too so you

stoic spruce
#

What?

halcyon timber
#

Cash on delivery or whatever that old way of mailing was

#

Dunno if that exists anymore as i dont mail people anymore

#

Used to send mail back in the day and the person had to pay money or some shit to accept the loot. My buddy used to do 5gold for stacks of nether weave.

stoic spruce
#

Dang

#

Interesting

halcyon timber
#

I was very new in TBC and that’s how i earned money for my first mount i think

vocal surge
#

man

#

I can only imagine how quickly my friends would get banned lmao

halcyon timber
#

I started playing right before wrath i think

vocal surge
#

they like to say racial slurs (esp. 1 of em when upset)

halcyon timber
#

Yeah ol gears of war lobbies

#

Or halo matches back in the day

vocal surge
#

true

halcyon timber
#

Hit someone with a torque bow and all of a sudden you have 500 x box live messages with enough bs to write a 5 volume series of books

last jasper
stoic spruce
#

Wow

last jasper
#

Yea. Don’t recall ppl to be so nice in one single lobby. 😂

#

I’m sure they would say even more if could said thx 😂

potent pivot
#

never really say anything in shuffles

dark kernel
#

Can't talk shit anymore because I'm too old.

#

Once I'm good enough to play my teams classes for them then.

halcyon timber
#

Old is 90+

potent pivot
#

whats truly crazy is that the pvp scene still has remnants of actual demonic players

halcyon timber
#

I met Pearl Harbor veterans at the VA hospital

potent pivot
#

like the racist RBGers of the past

spring bough
last jasper
#

My personal best is when someone is flaming and insta ignores u. Loves this shit

dark kernel
last jasper
potent pivot
halcyon timber
potent pivot
#

dropping n bombs in voice and shit

#

💀

#

fucking wild

spring bough
#

that was MW2

#

everyday

#

nowadays? instant voice ban lol

halcyon timber
#

Mw2 xD

spring bough
#

bro people would be in my messages after games saying wild shit

halcyon timber
#

That fuckin game man

#

Was fun

spring bough
#

360 no scopes oh yeah

halcyon timber
#

Division was also fun

spring bough
#

would get people so heated when they saw the replays

dark kernel
#

I had to share this

#

This is from my friend

vocal surge
#

lmao

dark kernel
#

So fucking good

spring bough
#

boomy or feral for an alt for the day

dark kernel
#

Boomy

#

I want to try a druid too

spring bough
#

tryna get the class mount for druid so gotta fill the time with some dungeons. boomys looking like it rips in dungeons

severe helm
severe helm
#

rn

dark kernel
#

I'm going to Whataburger. I'm so hungry

jolly sierra
#

3100 w 40 chars

#

what a mythomaniac

spring bough
halcyon timber
spring bough
halcyon timber
#

Been a thing for a while

#

Works in moonkin form for resto too

spring bough
#

how is this even possible

halcyon timber
#

Heart of the wild and convoke plus whatever else homeboy does

#

Kill em in a rake stun

last jasper
#

I actually like that healers are not just heal/cc bots

languid ravine
halcyon timber
#

I dig that everyone is strong and that is how it should be always.

last jasper
last jasper
#

hey, how many of u sub play flag?

#

Still can't decide should I play deathstalker or trickster, or ds with flag

#

Cuz hitting 3.5mil evises and sec tec for 1.5 per clonse is awesome, but giving up step cdr is not so great

pastel burrow
#

I don't rate flag personally unless you're using it to try and bait cds

#

It's just a big "the rogue is doing something" icon to everyone

last jasper
#

I usually save it for later

#

however trill is just using it from the gates vs kalvish and doesn't care

pastel burrow
#

tbf just sending it to get CDs is absolutely valid

#

like they can't just let you stack it

#

but I prefer not to use it cause there's enough abilities and shit going on in retail

last jasper
#

just had a lobby where my team gives enemy healer combat 5/6

#

oops

potent pivot
last jasper
last jasper
potent pivot
#

just use different language

last jasper
#

my bad. I forgot im not in dm with panda

last jasper
jolly sierra
#

d

last jasper
jolly sierra
last jasper
#

how is your assa climbing?

jolly sierra
safe pelican
#

That is fucking funny

indigo hill
#

Got 1820 rating and now im not sure if i should switch to an another char or keep trying to climb with what i have..

dark kernel
#

Keep going.

#

Push new heights.

#

I'm going for elite shuffle this season and 2k 3s

indigo hill
#

Not yet. Havent had allot of time to play. Just got 1820 on one char

ionic orbit
jolly sierra
#

bah

#

1950

#

and then decide

spring bough
#

Maintenance guys just left my house….. tankless coil blew on my radiator…… 🤦‍♂️

#

Bout to bleed money fml

jolly sierra
#

F

wintry dew
spring bough
#

then as the dudes left they came back and go "i noticed ur well cap is leaking water" oh fml... when it rains it pours

wintry dew
jolly sierra
#

you are in spring, right?

#

you can use the cold water in the shower meanwhile

spring bough
#

yeah almost

jolly sierra
#

or maybe a kettle

spring bough
#

well cap has a ton of algae or whatever growing on it thankfully i use a brita lmao

dark kernel
#

I feel you. Wife's Honda AC went out and has some weird engine shaking.

#

Can't put baby in it

vague summit
#

It's going to be weird to not see pika in the AWC