pvp

[waxen meteor]

i have zero clue

[spring bough]

once you get the achieve on one char, you unlock all the helm/shoulder glows on all classes

[potent pivot]

it's supposed to make your helm/shoulders have extra glow

but

for a lot of people it's only unlocking 1 random class helm/shoulders etc

[waxen meteor]

Does it already have the 'glow'

[potent pivot]

not even the class they play

[potent pivot]

it's just extra glow

[waxen meteor]

i am not sure... if it has the glow... it's quite tiny.............

[potent pivot]

i think you have it

the gem glow

is all it is for shoulders iirc

[waxen meteor]

tbh even after you told me i have it, i couldn't figure out exactly where...

[potent pivot]

ye it's not very big on the rogue set this season

it's usually kinda small either way

[languid ravine]

you got Nerubic catalyst didnt you? many people dont get their set, they only get a random warrior helmet

I mean you should get all glowing variants but idk

[waxen meteor]

where is the tabard though

[spring bough]

yeah i got it on all my alts

[waxen meteor]

i haven't really been doing any shopping yet

[spring bough]

crazy that some people arent getting the mogs

[potent pivot]

i'm wondering if people just aren't realizing

that their sets now have the glow

and it doesn't add an 'extra appearance' in the appearances tab

these guys seemed to have fixed it

[potent pivot]

the tabard is on a vendor

in the pvp area

the vendor with the elite weapon tints as well

[languid ravine]

yea the fix doesnt work for me and theres others who it doesnt work for

and there is also another fix where you get a new set piece on an alt

doesnt work for me either

two GM tickets didnt work

[potent pivot]

damn

[languid ravine]

okay i checked again I have the mogs now but damn it took long

[potent pivot]

[spring bough]

oh boy crusader challenging me to duels in dornogal lmao

[gilded gulch]

rogue set doesnt have an extra effect iirc for the helm

[languid ravine]

its only shoulders that has it

[severe helm]

ran into my first wintrader of hte season

at only 2550 im surprised

[languid ravine]

my ENTIRE team started griefing me at 200-200 score because I didnt go offcarts

amazing

if only all teams were this level of organised

[fluid plover]

Why is it that the siren isle ring is so broken for outlaw ? compared to any other specs

[severe helm]

cuz outlaw has such horrible secondary stat scaling

and outlaw runs a lot of vers/crit

which increases proc damage from items

[potent pivot]

i wouldn't really call it broken

for any class other than WW

[severe helm]

oh does ww proc it like crazy?

[potent pivot]

it's a few % extra dmg for outlaw

[severe helm]

Youd think they would normalize the proc chance

[potent pivot]

like MAYBE 2% extra for outlaw

[potent pivot]

dorito thinks that their images proc it too

[severe helm]

aaah

[potent pivot]

and at full value instead of 40% possibly

[severe helm]

LOOOOL

[potent pivot]

ya

[severe helm]

fucking

blizzard

[potent pivot]

the procs do like 20% of WW's damage

[severe helm]

their developer talent has gone down so so so so badly

this xpac has been a mess of bugs

[fluid plover]

Idk just did shuffle with the ring the numbers were pretty high % wise like the ring counting 3 procs it would be top

[potent pivot]

ya it does like 8-10% of your damage

but you're trading off a lot of your stats to get that

which you don't see clearly on details

sub and assa lose too much vers/mastery for it to be worth it

assa for example loses like 6% mastery and 5% vers, basically 11% of their damage

and 2.5% damage reduction from losing the vers

that's why it's decent for outlaw, because you should already have a lot of vers and crit isn't huge for outlaw's damage

it's just not anything busted or overpowered

[fluid plover]

Ic

[outer sky]

Over an hour and a half in queue wtf is this

[outer sky]

The pally whispered me calling ME trash

[mystic pasture]

I think it was 8% mastery…so even worse

[jaunty osprey]

Depends what rings you use

[severe helm]

That's crazy

[jaunty osprey]

I think I was using conq ring when I told Notrickz the value

but 11% secondary stat regardless

[severe helm]

That makes a ring almost twice as good on assa as on outlaw

Damn outlaw scales so fucking bad

[jaunty osprey]

Nah it doesn’t scale bad

But the reason why it’s bad on Assa is because Mastery and Vers = raw damage

outlaw, crit doesnt necessarily mean raw damage

so you’re only losing vers from the raw damage

but the gems do more than 8% and you lose like 5% vers

[outer sky]

how does crit not = raw damage? More crit = more crits. Crit damage > non crit damage. Therefore crit = more damage

[jaunty osprey]

you still have to crit

[outer sky]

right but thats what the stat does

[jaunty osprey]

Raw damage = baseline damage

is what I mean

like mastery and vers

shows in details

directly

for assa

[outer sky]

ye

[jaunty osprey]

crit doesnt necessarily show

[outer sky]

Also @potent pivot said the ring is just bugged

[jaunty osprey]

yes, the tooltip is nerfed

not the abilities of the ring

[outer sky]

I'm sure tahtll get fixed soon

[jaunty osprey]

Yeah, if not on reset, it’ll be soon

[severe helm]

I mean outlaw scales bad

With secondaries

[outer sky]

I'm literally going to sue blizzard

[spring bough]

629 ilvl after doing keys all week lol. crazy the power up just 1 ilvl feels lol

[outer sky]

just had a lobby with crusader where he went 2-4 and honestly should have gone 1-5 but I hard carried him in the last round

[outer sky]

Yikes

[stray lintel]

Hey guys! I'm new to PvP and rogue, so I downloaded Hekili to help with damage rotation, as I believe I've gotten decent with the CC management and that type of sense. I have half purple pvp gear, and half green, but each match in arenas i'm like doing a 1/3 of everyone elses damage and thats with me CONSTANTLY in the battle. I would love to know if its a gear issue, talents (even though i've copied the talents of a 2700 rating rogue), or if im just horribly failing my rotation

[potent pivot]

what spec are you playing? hekilli isn't a great thing to use and follow religiously

like it's okay for getting you on your feet for the first week you play a new spec, but actually learning the proper way to play is going to be much better

[stray lintel]

Outlaw

[potent pivot]

outlaw in general doesn't do a huge amount of damage, but 1/3rd of the other dps is definitely very low

[stray lintel]

I'd say like 50m damage at the end of a 3v3 match

Being alive the entire time

[potent pivot]

but if you're still in greens that's contributing to part of the problem

arena matches vary in length

so your total dmg is a pretty arbitrary thing

if your damage is less than half of the other dps, you've got rotational mistakes going on

when you say green gear are you talking about auction house pvp gear?

either way - check out the #outlaw-faq

check all the rotational rules for the HO build

[stray lintel]

No, honour vendor gear

[potent pivot]

oh that's not a huge deal

definitely just rotational mistakes

[stray lintel]

But Ill check out the FAQ, and learn the rotation better then

[potent pivot]

just make sure you only read the HO build stuff

basically all of those rules apply to what we do in pvp

[stray lintel]

Ok, I appreciate it, thank you

[potent pivot]

https://murlok.io/character/eu/sunstrider/kagehiko/pvp#talents-specialization

this guy's build is good

the only thing that the FAQ won't tell you about using it is that you basically press roll the bones on cooldown

for supercharger

[stray lintel]

That guy doesn't use roll the bones 😮

[potent pivot]

what

[stray lintel]

ignore that

LOL

i mistook keep it rolling

[potent pivot]

ye keep it rolling isn't good in pvp really

[opal bone]

The no RtB forbidden technique

[stray lintel]

😊

[potent pivot]

[stray lintel]

Yeah thats the build I've got going

Except not using dismantle as I seemingly mainly go against triple casters hahaha

[potent pivot]

ye pvp talents can be swapped depending on comps

[candid tide]

bro take r1 build

[potent pivot]

what

[candid tide]

take the build of the n1 guy on ladder

[potent pivot]

why

the r1 guy uses the less popular build

it makes zero difference

[candid tide]

dont he got the most consistent win with that build lol

[potent pivot]

brother

winning has almost nothing to do with the build

people put way too much stock into stats and builds

play better=win

[glass hazel]

any build is fine, when you start playing you will adjust it yourself if you are lacking smth

[potent pivot]

dazed makes a couple changes that most people don't, doesn't mean it's better

same thing when whaazz was still queuing retail

whaazz played keep it rolling

literally no one else plays it ever

[candid tide]

true

skills pay the bills

[severe helm]

Horrible advice ngl lol

Take the build that the majority of the top like 20 people play

If the majority of the top 20 people can do well with a build then it is most likely good

[candid tide]

r1 tip

[odd monolith]

can someone link a good dagger pvp talent for classic fresh

[potent pivot]

there's links to classic discord servers in the pins of #classic-discussion

not much classic discussion happens in this server really

[stoic spruce]

Wow fun again yet?

[jaunty osprey]

I need to do a troll build again

for assa

[hazy monolith]

do you always spam rtb with supercharger?

[shrewd coral]

pvp people do you use the cyrces criclet ring in pvp ? have not played pvp since cata

[wanton breach]

It is heavily nerfed in pvp (-75%) and not worth using over normal rings

[shrewd coral]

guess ill use the 9 craft thingys from my first game on new rings in that case

[grizzled basin]

It sucks that with the -75% ring nerf this renders the main reward of 11.0.7 useless for player doing PvP only

[glass hazel]

welcome to world of pve :x

for pvp it is almost plunderstorm time 🙂

[cosmic seal]

Whats the strongest spec to push solo shuffle atm ? Assa or outlaw ?

[steady gate]

sure about this? everyone's using it + doing 300k thunderlord, 200k squall, 170k undersea procs

[verbal field]

is flag a must have? i saw the build on icy veins doesnt have that

[spring bough]

Meh lol

[sharp sierra]

why is gearing so confusing again

[wanton breach]

no i'm not sure, I just remember some patch notes putting the pvp modifier to 0.25 - I haven't actually tested the stuff in pvp

[stoic spruce]

Eh

Felt that

[spring bough]

It’s fun till you get a bogus lobby then it’s not 😂

[stoic spruce]

Ehhhhh

Only fun when I win

[sharp sierra]

am i inting by not playing nelf on outlaw?

[hazy monolith]

thats troll

[spring bough]

Night elf on outlaw makes it feel broken with the extra stealth. Playing as kul tiran feels so dull without that extra stealth

[sharp sierra]

meh

[hazy monolith]

what r u guys doing with ur conquest?

[glass hazel]

buy chests for alts or nothing

[spring bough]

Deck out the alts

[glass hazel]

just had so braindead eye healer went solo to cap enemy tower everyone else went mid :d we lost our tower and they couldnt get flag as well haha

bots probably

[hazy monolith]

lmao

[hazy monolith]

what if I say I already did that

[spring bough]

After I did that I decked my rogue out for sin/sub 😂

Now idek what to do with it

[hazy monolith]

I have two rogues T_T

sin/sub & outlaw

[spring bough]

Same lol

[hazy monolith]

x

well I didnt rly play DK this ssn

but cba

maybe ret for the lulz?

idk

i switched from being a DH main to outlaw this ssn and have such a blast i dont wanna play anything else rn lol

[potent pivot]

You can use it as outlaw, it’s bad for sub/assa. it’s going to get fixed it’s just bugged right now

[potent pivot]

^

[bleak dagger]

Yeah circlet is doing some crazy dam on Outlaw when it procs , some games it’s nothing special to

[spring bough]

My rets 76 right now that the last one I’m doing lol

Get that to rival I’ll have like 6 rival mogs unlocked

[hazy monolith]

i usually do that eos

[gilded gulch]

doing pvp wqs before you hit max level on alts is nice

having like 9k bloody tokens on dinging means full 636s

[spring bough]

Rogue, war, hunter, DK, shaman, DH, monk, and ret will be the last

[hazy monolith]

last 3 hours were lit

[hazy monolith]

ele is sick had a lot of fun with it this ssn

[spring bough]

Haven’t done ele yet. Went full storm enhance and was just smashing storm strikes lol

Ascendance gotta be the most OP cooldown loop ever. Just spam Windstrikes and it procs tempest and resets. It’s the most wild thing to play lol

[hazy monolith]

true its crazy

[normal zealot]

Are there any up to date pvp build for outlaw rogue? The pinned message is from 10.0.5

and does anyone maybe have a link to guide that explains gearing for rogues thats noobie friendly?

[potent pivot]

10.0.5?

it's from 11.0.5

[normal zealot]

oops, yes my bad

dont we have 11.0.7 now?

Or does 11.0.5 still apply?

[potent pivot]

.0.X patches don't change much

[normal zealot]

ohh i see

[potent pivot]

especially rogue has barely gotten any changes

[potent pivot]

https://murlok.io/character/eu/sunstrider/kagehiko/pvp#gear

this guy is mostly using all correct gear and shit

[normal zealot]

perfect, tyvm for sharing

[potent pivot]

keep in mind a talent or two might be different

some things are just personal preference

[normal zealot]

is the pinned build the same as Kagehikos rogue?

Ill just copy paste it for now and learn to play the class like that. Idk what things are good/not good yet

[winter seal]

new ring nerfed in pvp?

[stiff cedar]

#pvp message

[bleak dagger]

Hey, what’s the reason people go with reg vers ring enchant vs Cursed vers (-mast) for Outlaw? Thought mastery was our worst stat?

[normal zealot]

What does this mean "This week we should be buying Conquest shoulders and using the Catalyst to turn them into tier. " from #1283780831147589713 message

What does turn into tier mean?

[potent pivot]

pretty sure it's similar or a couple talents difference, nbd

[potent pivot]

every class has a tier set

[normal zealot]

Is that the one in the adventure guide?

[potent pivot]

that gearing guide is from week 1/2

yes

look up a pvp gearing guide on youtube

[normal zealot]

okay

[potent pivot]

like just a general guide

not rogue specific

you gotta learn all the systems

[normal zealot]

yeah tbh its fd up

so complicated lmao

[potent pivot]

it's easier to gear this expansion than ever before tbh

you just have to take the time to learn how

[normal zealot]

I think im doing a decent job with my pvp gear but im not 100% if what im doing is right lol

i watched a few guides tbh its still quite complex tbh

[potent pivot]

ye it just takes getting used to

once you gear up 1 character and use all the diff systems it's ez

[sharp sierra]

saw in a gearing video there is supposed to be a "weapons of conquest" quest from the vendor but he doesnt offer ansy

[potent pivot]

they changed that to an achievement

you just earn 2500 conquest and you'll be rewarded 2 weapon tokens

[sharp sierra]

right, thanks

[pliant mauve]

What are we thinking is more fun: WW or Enh? Finally hit 2200 on Assa and it’s clear that I’m washed up and won’t be getting any higher.

[potent pivot]

i think they're both fun, pretty subjective

ww more similar to rogue

[hoary bobcat]

which 2 poisons should we be using on sin rogue in BGB?

[potent pivot]

we use the same poisons everywhere

wound+improved wound talent and crippling

[night rampart]

which weapon is this polearm?
https://check-pvp.fr/eu/Zul'jin/Bora

[outer sky]

I think if I get r1 itll be on this rogue. He has a lot of MMR to burn. I just got 42 points for going 3-3

[potent pivot]

it's just a regular conquest polearm?

[spring bough]

wicked gain for 3-3 lol

think my best gain off a 2-4 was like 17 points when i was rocking an amazing MMR lol

[outer sky]

This rogue has had a pretty good streak

I'm 33 points shy of r1

but @jaunty osprey says we'll get another slot so the cutoff mayy drop a bit

I just need 1 more good lobby

Do we have an exact end date for season 1?

[potent pivot]

Nop

[outer sky]

I know people are saying late feb

[potent pivot]

Likely not long after plunderstorm ends

Is the assumption iirc

[outer sky]

I'm gunna close my business that week so I can literally game 24/7 but I gotta let people know in advance

[potent pivot]

There’s another guy in r1 range with his character hidden

Idk if that changes anything regarding the website’s tracking tho

[outer sky]

I'm just going off of what the rating cutoff is not so much how many people

[potent pivot]

Yeh

[outer sky]

I'm 2605cr but I only have 15/100 legend wins

[jaunty osprey]

no

you arent 33 points shy

cutoff is 2665 now

blizzard r1 api has been bugged

and hasnt updated since 11.0.5

6 slots atm though

not including alts

[jaunty osprey]

we just got the 6th slot

and i think that'll be it

[potent pivot]

sinepy and jw tied too

[jaunty osprey]

sinepy and jw is same person

so doesnt matteer

[potent pivot]

kek

the ui didn't highlight the alt

is our boy doto just sitting

[jaunty osprey]

i

farmed him in 3s

today

[warm meadow]

I have a question: Do I use deadly poison or instant poison in pvp?

[jaunty osprey]

wound

[potent pivot]

wound poison

[warm meadow]

i play the 4 poisen trade

[jaunty osprey]

people who spam queue 1 char will likely hit higher shuffle ratings than those who dont

[potent pivot]

no one really plays that

[jaunty osprey]

cause can get 2x good lobbies in a row

and get +150 so easily

[warm meadow]

ok thx

[potent pivot]

but you'd want to take Amp poison+wound

but i'd just play something else

tbh

[outer sky]

when?

Cutoff is the same as it was

[spring bough]

im gonna troll pvp tonight and play KIR for some fun

[potent pivot]

if the cut off was still 263x it'd have too many people

[outer sky]

huh?

[potent pivot]

there's 5 players listed here 2665+

[fluid plover]

FINALY FUCKING FREE it was rough as outlaw

[outer sky]

ye

[potent pivot]

and 1 hidden guy at 2700 something

that's 6 players

so the cut off is 2665 rn

[potent pivot]

[outer sky]

?

[potent pivot]

ya that wouldn't make any sense

that's why ivan said it's bugged

that would be like 9 players

or something

[jaunty osprey]

like i said

that's the reason why websites show 2638

including blizzard website

[hazy monolith]

which pvp talents do you play as outlaw fc in bgb? drink up, veil and smoke?

[viscid dagger]

Any tips on opener as Sin rogue in shuffle? I’ve been doing: Sap healer, garrote/CS/mut/full CP rupture into kill target, but then i run out of CP to kidney the healer after sap. Should I be doing something else? Also when do I dot the off target?

[outer sky]

enduring brawler, take your cut, and either veil or disarm depending on enemy comp

[spring bough]

having some fun farming up some gilded crests as sub starting at 0 rating lmao

absolutely blasting people its wicked

[hazy monolith]

do we have a list which abilities are unavailable when disarmed?

like does it make sense to disarm enh

[halcyon field]

Hello, veil of midnight reduce physical damage ?

[spring bough]

I’d pay to see someone sue them at end of season if website says they should have gotten title and they don’t get it. False advertising right there 😂

[safe pelican]

whats the algorithm reset for matchmaking queue ?? 24hrs ?? 12hrs??

@severe helm Ive noticed that blitz ints 3up 3 down but how long to reset

[severe helm]

wdym

[safe pelican]

if you lose 3-4 games straight you will go into the losers brakcet of matchmaking usually where you get placed on the lesser mmr team

but if you win 3-4 straight you will be on the higher mmr team

[severe helm]

I have not experienced this

so idk

[safe pelican]

bro its legit you just always winnning so YOU never feel this pain lmaooo

[severe helm]

I lose all the time

I lost 4 games in a row last night

down 300 mmr haha

[safe pelican]

shessh thats aggresive af for 4 loses i went down 258 4 loses been tryna get back all week

got 100 back so far

once you fall out of that bracket where you dont lose rating for losing its cooked but i notcied that it comes from playing up or playing down if youre on a streak of 3 or more youre technically playing up so IF you lose you wont lose rating but if you lose 2 games straight your 3rd loss you will lose rating and then more on your 4th straight loss. for me personally i think i went 0-4 then when i won the 5th match they gave ne 0 rating i had to win two straight to gain rating shit is wild

sitting 25 minutes for 0 rating is diabolical

played my heart out for nothing 😭

[jaunty osprey]

ayyy in r1 range

for 3s

[outer sky]

That's a pretty low r1 cutoff for 3s

Usually that shit is like 2.8

[spring bough]

time to start grinding that 3s rating lol

[outer sky]

Nah that's a bracket for wow elitists to jerk each other off in. Hard pass

[spring bough]

lol im waiting for the day solo shuffle or blitz gets a mount

they are going to cry so loud

[outer sky]

It needs to happen

Actually what really needs to happen is for that mount to be the exact same as the glad mount

No rename, no recolor

Exact same mount

That would be the best thing ever

Their tears would be so beautiful

[spring bough]

yes im all for that

i would pay blizz to make that happen

i want glad mount from just solo lol

currently on my way to duelist as a sub rogue too lol

[safe pelican]

geting the worst blitz team again

gotta go back to being fc

smh

[spring bough]

7 ques as sub in solo and im at 1831 lmao

[spring bough]

finally made it to 630 ilvl for my key runs. TY solo shuffle for giving 5 gilded crests a win

[ruby venture]

Hey

Does anyone do any arena vod reviews here

[potent pivot]

you can post em, someone may check it out

[ruby venture]

ty so much

[old dome]

What iam I missing. According to murloc people arent running 4p in SS/blitz?

[radiant glen]

yoo big gz, getting it mid season very annoying w so many ppl sitting rating till the 2 week notice

ur insane

very huge even

[halcyon field]

Hello, veil of midnight reduce physical damage ?

[gusty hedge]

i wanna try sub again but im def a sub hater

[gusty hedge]

for like 2 secs. I believe its getting removed soon

[halcyon field]

kkty

[viscid dagger]

When do you use crimson tempest? Is it just as important as garrote and rupture to get on the KT?

[karmic summit]

Isnt that bracket for people that have actual friends

[glass hazel]

2 or more targets

[sharp sierra]

do you guys play blade rush into frost mages? i cant move

also, does blade flurry also strike the same target? i.e. should i also have it active when i only have 1 target for additional dmg

[jaunty osprey]

double grapple should typically be enough

blade flurry doesnt strike your primary target at all

it does have an initial damage hit to nearby enemies for pressing it though

[candid tide]

dont be afraid to vanish cc as outlaw is my take

ull get it back really fast if u can stick ur rotation on the target

and i dont know if u know that for 3sec after hooking u can hook 1x for free no cd

[severe helm]

correct

set bonuses are nerfed by 50% in pvp

and the secondary stats on set gear is sometimes bad for your spec

so getting correct secondaries is better than the 4pc

[maiden anchor]

Can anyone help me with SIN rogue, this is more towards running mark, if you vanish with mark and bleeds on a target you get pulled out of stealth. Is there any way around this?

[spring bough]

slow day

[glass hazel]

not familiar with this one, are you sure you dont have dots on you and there is no pets attacking as well?

[jaunty osprey]

yeah, it's singular focus that breaks stealth

known bug

[glass hazel]

hm dont remember i had it ever and i run lens as well

forget what i said lol :x it was about talent

[maiden anchor]

Two separate examples, cloak vanish. No dots. Pulled out of stealth. This happens literally every game

[glass hazel]

-_- talent yeah there is a lot of bug reports but not fixed yet

[maiden anchor]

So annoying. How do people even play around that 😂

[glass hazel]

just dont stand in stealth for long i use it as def or a way to come back if all dots get removed

that's probably why i didnt notice it

watched your video again holy that is so annoying

.<

[safe pelican]

I reported my first person ever last night some disc priest on my team in blitz WSG 40M healing for the entire match

Only healed himself the whole game

[glass hazel]

Bot probably

[safe pelican]

Said I’m taking it too seriously when i called him out in chat told that mf to go play unranked

[safe pelican]

Mannnnn gtfo out my match with that i was so mad

People queue rated to lose Ill never understand it

[glass hazel]

Me too, esp when they don't do any objectives

[severe helm]

it also spins nodes 😉

But yeah the amount of bugs that break stealth this xpac

its kinda ridiculous

[safe pelican]

There’s some bug where i drop stealth just going stealth too fast after dropping combat

[jaunty osprey]

well

you need a ! in your stealth macro

like /cast !stealth

for that

[severe helm]

I think the stealth button has a protection built in

you cant unstealth within like 1-2 seconds

by mashing stealth

[potent pivot]

You can exit quite quickly

[severe helm]

yeah but its not like if you double press it it'll instantly cancel

[potent pivot]

Ye I just don’t think it’s 1-2 sec

[severe helm]

Yeah maybe it feels that long haha

[potent pivot]

Idk

[severe helm]

I had to add a separate cancelaura for stealth cuz as outlaw sometimes you want to cancel stealth to work around subterfuge bugs

pressingthe button again was too slow

[potent pivot]

Sometimes you’re pressing stealth for a good couple seconds when waiting to drop combat

[severe helm]

Yeah if you arent watching for it then youc an def accidetanlly cancel it

[potent pivot]

At least I spam tf out of it usually

[severe helm]

but stealth doesnt even have a cd anymore does it?

[potent pivot]

It does

[severe helm]

like 2 seconds?

its something super short

[safe pelican]

Why would the basic stealth button be so broken that i need this ?

[potent pivot]

Mhm

[severe helm]

its not broken

how else would you make that work

[safe pelican]

So what does he mean

[severe helm]

hes just saying if youre mashing it for more than like 0.5seconds after the stealth succeeds

youll cancel your own stealth

cuz thats part of the buttons functionality

[safe pelican]

Ahhhhhhh

[severe helm]

they have to choose to protect against mashing or prevent youf rom using the button to unstealth

which could be very annoying

they chose somewhere in the middle

its just a design with a tradeoff

[safe pelican]

Interesting cause i have my stealth button as 2 on my non stealth stance bar but once it switches to stealth stance it’s ambush but due to natural lag i think maybe me spamming 2 on the non stealth stance bar registers maybe ?? At it still cancels stealth on a delay but I’ll put ! In there see what happens later tonight when i queue

[severe helm]

nah

that shouldnt be able to happen

[safe pelican]

That’s what I’m saying so i said bug lol ima record that shit later

[severe helm]

the bar will change far faster than the blocking period where mashing stealth prevents unstealthing

Im sure it sjust one of the 500000 bugs that break stealth

theres heals that break stealth

monk has a healing talent that just breaks your stealth

sham has one too

the sham one was fixed

[safe pelican]

Yup priest instant heal too i think

[severe helm]

idk about monk

its any heal that has a "bounce" effect

or at least specifically that was what wa sin common with the things that caused it

[safe pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/disappointment-gif-21343121

[severe helm]

cuz essentially it made you(the rogue) cast a spell

which broke stealth

[safe pelican]

Yo i been noticing that

And that’s bs

[severe helm]

yes blizzard has very very bad developer talent at the moment

[safe pelican]

It’s reactive but you’re doing nothing

[severe helm]

the game is the buggiest its ever been since I started playing at least

[safe pelican]

So trash bro but word

[potent pivot]

At the moment?

[severe helm]

LOL

well worse than in the past

its especially bad now

I think the hero talents really fucked a lot of shit up

[jaunty osprey]

ezpz

[severe helm]

bro how do you get lobbies?

My queues are like 1+ hour at like 2650

I cant get any games

[jaunty osprey]

it was

a 5 hr queue

lol

i have nos, fromcanada, meep, and vinygar on friends list

saw that they were all on and knew it was coming

[gritty peak]

jsn is 3 out of top 5 as sin

gamer

[jaunty osprey]

im 1-4

[potent pivot]

4 out of 5

[jaunty osprey]

4 out of 4

[gritty peak]

[jaunty osprey]

wait for the leaderboard update

in 40 mins

[gritty peak]

didn't even know hahahah

that's sick

sucks shuffle is in shambles like this though

[jaunty osprey]

petkick is 1-10 as unholy and bigdam is 1-17 as enhancement

i should make more alts to match them

[sharp sierra]

why the F would you do this

[potent pivot]

to ascert dominance

nah they do it because they can't get consistent queues at that high rating

so they make new chars and to reclimb on

[jaunty osprey]

and it isnt hard getting back to the same rating that you're supposed to be at

it's just time investment

off topic a little, but someone just traded me this!!

oh yeah, it was on the trading post so nvm LOL

[potent pivot]

you can prolly get a few hundred k for it i think

but yeh they're a lil common now

still one of the coolest pets

[jaunty osprey]

425k on zul'jin

trading posts one cant be traded ooooo

[stray lintel]

Question guys... I'm seeing the top outlaw rogue for arena is running sword and dagger.. why is that? shouldn't it be double swords?

[potent pivot]

dagger offhand is very slightly better

for faster poison procs

[stray lintel]

Ahh ok gotcha

[severe helm]

illness

[severe helm]

very much doesnt matter

its 0.2% more dps in pve when you run instant poison

so yeah technically your MS might stack up faster and your crippling can apply more quickly after connecting to someone

but running 2xsword for the mog isnt a big deal if you prefer that

[stoic spruce]

It should be double swords

Because it's cooler

Memes aside sometimes I wholeheartedly believe a good mog does more to improve dam than dagger off-hand. A good mog feels right.

A bad mog throws the whole vibe off imo

[icy quail]

how the fck do we play against holy pala/demo lock as outlaw/disc priest?

[outer sky]

type /afk so they can't kill you

[icy quail]

dude i swear i literally didnt get the lock below 70% hp.

iam just a casual guy hitting 1800 and stuff but wtf is this

unplayable

[gritty peak]

Does he multibox queue into himself?

[potent pivot]

they might multibox

but taking a queue into yourself would be tos

[outer sky]

hey @jaunty osprey you around?

I have a tip for you

[jaunty osprey]

hi

@outer sky

[outer sky]

You want a tip

a super secret tip

[jaunty osprey]

uh ok

[outer sky]

If you buy conquest boots from the vendor and catalyze them, you get vers/mastery boots but heavy on mastery instead of equal stats like crafted boots

[jaunty osprey]

ya

i knew that and said it long time ago

[outer sky]

then why dont you use them

[jaunty osprey]

cause

i use more vers

on my 2 main rogues

i use conq ring and neck

[outer sky]

I swapped between these and crafted vers/mast boots and the damage on every tooltip went up when using these as opposed to the crafted ones

[jaunty osprey]

ya

i could prob optimize my gear

a lil better

but the gain is just so small at this point

like 4 set isnt worth it imo

[nova jay]

are there any pvp-focused discords?

[outer sky]

world of pvp

[waxen meteor]

tbh i think more vers pcs could be better

but anyway difference is very tiny

i even use more vers/lower mastery gem

we can't reach 30 vers anyway so no dr on vers, right?

[outer sky]

I have as much mastery as possible on one of my rogues and the damage on my tool tips still goes down when I drop any of it for vers

[waxen meteor]

Yeah I believe so, but vers also adds some durability

[sharp bough]

hello, does ghostly strikes buffa gouche dmg?

and if it does, can it be used to make killing spree deAdLy?

[severe helm]

yes

[severe helm]

mastery gives you less damage during KS than crit does

which im p sure gives you less damage than vers haha

if you want KS to hit hard then stack vers

and run supercharger

[outer sky]

Wtf are these Q times damn

[outer sky]

So sweaty

[hazy monolith]

https://tenor.com/view/trump-mewing-sigma-mew-mewing-chad-gif-17710863300302979354

[languid ravine]

I ve just lost a Blitz where I capped three evenly DEFENDED bases by 400 points how is this even possible like physically

[gusty hedge]

some racist mf in that bih

[gusty hedge]

Trickster for Max Hitting Ks

[gusty hedge]

you can as i had 34 close to 35% vers on main rogue before ring swap test

but thats pushing DR

[stoic spruce]

Ah shit my bad dawg

[proper yarrow]

[stoic spruce]

I stg blitz is really just a 1v7v8 bracket

[languid ravine]

nah its 5vs'One of their healers' while the other one caps the flag in 20 seconds

[willow valley]

yo

someone knows how i can move that bar?

i just want to put it below the center of the screen

[potent pivot]

i don't think you can move the default one

that's oddly high up though

are you using an odd camera setting?

[willow valley]

idk

how do i see that

[potent pivot]

check your camera settings, i'm not sure tbh

you don't have an addon that changes your camera angle?

ik there's one some people use that messed up the resource display

if you can't figure anything else out, look up a resource display weakaura on wago.io and just replace the default with a weakaura

[willow valley]

idk

these are the ones i have

im using the skillcapped addon

[potent pivot]

none of those should change the angle

[hazy monolith]

BetterBlizzPlates is the highest contestant for fucking with this element

[potent pivot]

possibly

it does change a lot of cvar settings n shit

[wanton breach]

I would honestly just replace the personal resource display with a weakaura > fixed position is just better

[hazy monolith]

Also this

[sharp sierra]

yea i basically recreated that bar with pitbull & weakauras

[willow valley]

and how do i disable the cvar?

[sharp sierra]

u mean the blizzard resource display?

[willow valley]

thx

now im gonna make a weakaura for that

i took the one from luxthos

he's a genius fr

[willow valley]

my UI is now a lot cleaner

thx for the suggestions

[hazy monolith]

how do people phase in world pvp?

had it happening on multiple occasions yesterday

that people phased at 20%

fought a druid at the ringing deeps pvp world quest inbetween a ton of other players

but he phased out 2 times in a row

[spring bough]

second i get up to get on

oh and game is in maintenance... everytime lol

[jaunty osprey]

Follower Dungeon

[pale storm]

Is follower dungeon insta pop? You can just accept then leave and come back to world? Happens a lot, almost kill, they phase out, phase back multiple times

[hazy monolith]

i love it when they do this with flask, pots, spider bulwark to avoid one death

https://tenor.com/view/thats-low-thats-low-bru-thats-low-bruh-low-chevy-gif-14793283

[hazy monolith]

omg killing spree in water bad idea

[severe helm]

Yeah trickster ks def hits harder

You have to abuse the coup bug though for sure or trickster sucks ass

[prisma kayak]

What's your masque skin?

[sharp sierra]

shadow 1

[severe helm]

dude I hate this

idk how they do it but I have had SO many fights where people just phase at 5% so they dont die

cowards

[severe helm]

does it put you at the bottom of the ocean?

[hazy monolith]

I did it in a bgb and it insta disconnected

kinda bad when ur defending the flag alone

[jaunty osprey]

follower dungeon

you just queue it and accept when u get low

there's a macro for it so you dont even have to open your dungeon tab

[severe helm]

wowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

[jaunty osprey]

gambling in elwynn forest

im up 2m

[severe helm]

lol on duels?

or just /roll

[jaunty osprey]

on dice

they roll 2 dice

you pick under, over, or 7

[gusty hedge]

what bug?
Trickster slept on Fr IMainly WPvP BGB so i cant speak on arena but i always find my self 1v3/ 1v2 usually always come out ontop unless they got a healer. But by far mastery the way. Gonna miss Enduring brawler when they axe it😭

[severe helm]

Mastery is not the way

[languid ravine]

you accept the skirmish queue invite

[spring bough]

people phasing out of world pvp so they dont die has to be the most coward thing ive ever read lmao

that macro should make people chars just drop lmao

[spring bough]

18 seconds as sub to kill this sin rogue off the start of the round LMAO

secret tech hit this rogue for 1.99 mil LMAO

[willow valley]

yo

its me, again haha

just want to know if im missing something important

ive been working on my UI all day

and now i can track DR, CC, Debuffs, Buffs, defensives on CD...

i have losSA2 for audio calls just to track antiCC spells

cuz well, im a rogue

and i also have every important self Buff tracked via weakauras

at least for Sub

idk, if some of u think i need anything else, im glad to read all ur comments abt it, and thx

[willow valley]

lol

sub is pretty good now, specially on burst damage

[gritty peak]

What’s the cd for on use dps pvp trink?

1 min or 2?

[candid tide]

Happy New Year!

[outer sky]

1

[halcyon timber]

Happy new year man.

[spring bough]

does aoe blind become good next patch with the changes to blind?

feel like im gonna use it more

[potent pivot]

would be sick but kinda doubtful i think

the threshold prolly won't be very big

the length reduction is the worst part

i've always thought that

aoe blind with blackjack could have some really sick use cases

-30% dmg and healing is kinda cracked imo

[outer sky]

ive done it in teamfight before. in fact I do it on the carts map a lot because everyone is pretty close by since they have to stay in the circle

[potent pivot]

i just think it'd feel sick to use it in arena

vs like

a certain comp with big CDs

just blind their pop

etc

[outer sky]

yeah it could be good into shit like

frost dk/dev

or walking dead

It's so stupid that the pennent from Strategist is the same as the one from Legend

[spring bough]

if the threshold is anything like fear, im 100% using it lol

[potent pivot]

I don’t think it’s going to be like fear

Or anything that requires a talent to give it a beefy threshold

What is fears % threshold idr

[outer sky]

Are we supposed to take combat stamina if we need to Flag Carry as outlaw???

[potent pivot]

i would yeah

i really don't blitz, but that kinda seems like a no brainer eh

[outer sky]

for outlaw have we decided to just stack as much vers as possible after hitting the haste cealing?

or do we still want some 50/50 crit/vers pieces

[severe helm]

yeah absolutely

I drop swift slasher to pick it up

[severe helm]

yeah vers outweighs crit in pvp for sure

vers is still better than crit in pve and thats without the crit nerfs and bte crit damage nerfs

[potent pivot]

i don't think we stack to the ceiling

[severe helm]

I think youd only find crit valuable at like 40% vers

[potent pivot]

like i think we still keep a couple pieces crafted?

[severe helm]

were nowhere close to that yet

[potent pivot]

idk most ppl aren't going that far past 30%

[severe helm]

well I think most people dont care

[potent pivot]

like 30-33%

[severe helm]

cuz outlaw isnt winning on damage

yeah I went as much vers as possible and I only have 33%

with engineering bracers

[potent pivot]

yeh

iirc my outlaw is at 30%

or like barely under

[severe helm]

lowkey though ive been doing some testing and stuff

and there might be something to trickster

[outer sky]

These are my stats in pvp

[severe helm]

if you abuse the coup bug

[severe helm]

you could drop some haste

you only need 10% max

[outer sky]

my outlaw set doesnt have many sockets though

[potent pivot]

the problem with that is trickster is just so ass

[severe helm]

everything past that is worse than mastery

[potent pivot]

and your KS can get stopped

[severe helm]

its not even about the KS its just the finisher damage

if you abuse coup bug

you get 30% finisher buff after a coup

[potent pivot]

which coup bug

the double coup?

[outer sky]

I only have 11% half the time. Remember I'm a nelf and it's night time so I have an extra 1% haste

[severe helm]

you can coup de grace twice in arow

yeah

and get 10 stacks of flawless form

[potent pivot]

isn't that just a low cp coup though

[severe helm]

which is 30% more finisher damage

[potent pivot]

the 2nd one

or you just stack the buff

[severe helm]

second one is a 7-8cp dispatch

cuz its 2-3 baseline + 5 from coup

[potent pivot]

ik

[severe helm]

but its mainly for the buff yeah

15% finisher per coup

[potent pivot]

mm

[severe helm]

the big thing

into melee cleave

is HUGE flurry dam

[potent pivot]

so it'd still be vers/haste/crit

no mastery bs

[severe helm]

I wouldnt run it into mages and stuff where you need double grapple

yeah mastery is troll

SUPER troll

[potent pivot]

that might not be as terrible

[severe helm]

Im playing my GSW build with supercharger

a supercharged KS with double coup stack

[potent pivot]

just worse ST most of the time

[severe helm]

does 3.5mil damage

its very surprising

im playing it in like 2.7 lobbies in shuffle and it pops off

but its comp dependant

would never play it into casters tbh

or hunter etc

but into something like ret dh or war enh or something you just do disgusting damage

also wait did the ring get nerfed today

or is it still op?

[potent pivot]

i don't think it's op

but it prolly won't be fixed until they're back in the office

maybe thursday or next monday

[severe helm]

ugh

I mean

I was seeing other outlaws in 3s last night where it was 20% of their damage

[potent pivot]

i've only seen it do 8-12% of like, competent player's dmg

idk

if you fuck up your dmg it'll look higher %

also

if a match is legit 30 seconds

it's going to look higher %

like when ivan tested it on assa it did around 20% of his dmg for a 27 second round

but it did 8-10% on 5/6 rounds

[severe helm]

Yeah I would test it if I had it but im not gona spend time farmign it when ideally it gets nerfed for pvp

soon

Ive only seen it used a couple times

I hear its super broken on boomkin in blitz

[potent pivot]

the main spec that it's truly broken for is WW i think

because of the supposed images bug

also seems decent on DH

[outer sky]

LMFAO efc damage taken from the last blitz I just did

[potent pivot]

[outer sky]

hey we won

[potent pivot]

ye that's just a wild breakdown lol

[molten hedge]

i have better blizz plates but theres an extra 2. i just want the Mistweaver 2

anyone know if theres a 2nd setting in BBP i have on or maybe another addon?

[willow valley]

outlaw is played with daggers or one-handed swords?

[outer sky]

you need a slow weapon (sword, mace, fist weapon, axe) in your main hand but can use any of those or a dagger in your off hand

[gusty hedge]

It Gets Active sometimes

[gleaming sentinel]

[hazy monolith]

Is there still a global energy tic that we can pick up even at full power?

[willow valley]

k thx

know that i think abt it

isnt outlaw the retail version of combat spec in classic?

[outer sky]

Yes they renamed combat to outlaw

[prime ocean]

hey guys,
so all the roll the bones weakauras tell you the best rolls for pve i think, which buffs do i actually want to keep in pvp?

[candid tide]

reduce cd one is good

more chances for sinister strike to hit is alr

crit on bte is nice if u can spare a vanish

extra cp on hit is nice

5% dmg on blade flurry is mid imo, only take it if u get it in combo i guess

think ud always want to roll away single buffs to get 2 atleast

could be wrong

[wanton breach]

apparently I was wrong about ring being nerfed in pvp, multi billion dollar company can't fix shit

[candid tide]

wtf is that pve ring or some

[severe helm]

You'd do more with vers lol

[wanton breach]

thats the siren isle pve ring from some outlaw rogue we faced

[candid tide]

ahh yeye like DF isle ig

[spring bough]

its pretty baller right now in pvp but u give up a decent % of verse and whatever else

[candid tide]

need good pillar hugging to play it

[molten hedge]

It seems like u have to give up a shit ton of secondaries idk

[gleaming sentinel]

i hate that it procs if i use adrenalin rush in stealth sometimes

[spring bough]

playing sin today with 2 versa embelish and it feels pretty nice not gonna lie. got a lil more beef to myself lol

[hazy monolith]

21%

was against BM though

[potent pivot]

Wdym

[hazy monolith]

in classic we waited to attack till energy tick was nearly through so we insta regenerated energy

did that change xD

[potent pivot]

Depends on the build you’re using. If you’re playing Supercharger you reroll pretty much on CD unless you have a 5 roll.

[potent pivot]

Yeah energy for the most part is way faster now, we don’t pay attention to it as much as back then

Haste has an energy refresh rate, but our haste value is constantly changing especially as outlaw

And outlaw rng procs energy from melee swings

[hazy monolith]

ah got it

thx for the answer

[gusty hedge]

out of combat stats
This is my 3rd Trickster rogue build

[spring bough]

getting a milly plus coin hit for a KB as sin rogue feels so good

[willow valley]

tbh outlaw looks better

btw

how does outlaw work? i dont remember

[outer sky]

Except you can't control it so its kinda meh

[willow valley]

[potent pivot]

that's a pretty broad question

it's fundamentally the same basics as the other specs

build combo points and spend em

[willow valley]

ye i know that

but i dont remember the buffs u can get with roll the bones

and how can u keep the good buffs active?

[potent pivot]

you can look them up on wowhead

with the current build using supercharger we mostly reroll on CD

that's the only difference compared to pve rotation i think

[outer sky]

Are you absolutely sure about that? It seems odd that we take Loaded Dice if we reroll on CD

[potent pivot]

ye im sure

[outer sky]

Then why take LD

Certainly there has to be a better option.

The extra buff will just get rolled away in a few globals anyway

[potent pivot]

it's just snowballing cdr

same as always

[outer sky]

What does loaded dice have to do with CDR

[potent pivot]

i'm talking about the rotation in general

no one is dropping LD really

just doesn't matter that much

[willow valley]

can someone share a good build for outlaw?

[potent pivot]

check murlok.io

[willow valley]

which are the stats u need to prioritize now? for both sub and outlaw

[potent pivot]

sub is just vers/mast

[willow valley]

isnt versa/mastery anymore?

[potent pivot]

outlaw is a bit more complicated

!stats

[lethal roost]

These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.

Subtlety: Vers>Mastery>Crit>Haste
Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Crit=/=Haste
Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
You likely want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw for an extra GCD during ADR/Crackshot windows. Take 'em by Surprise gives you 10% during CS windows, so you only need 10-15% from gear.

[potent pivot]

you need about ~10% pvp scaled haste from gear as outlaw

the rest is vers>crit

[willow valley]

k

thx

[prime ocean]

how much crit u guys at fully geared?

[potent pivot]

anywhere from 16-19% outside of pvp scaling

[woeful trench]

Hey, I’m looking to level a new character on cata. Can’t decide what alliance racial is best for PvP. Conflicted between nelf with shadowmeld for a second vanish and human will to survive for later game trinket slots.

[potent pivot]

check the pins in #classic-discussion for links to a couple classic discord servers

[woeful trench]

Found it thanks

[potent pivot]

[severe helm]

Exactly

I don't run LD for that reason

I think with SC it's better to run sleight of hand

[molten hedge]

Did something change @jaunty osprey? I see you and 99% of assas aren’t playing supercharger or kingsbane anymore. What happened

[potent pivot]

nothing happened

it just isn't as popular

[molten hedge]

I have a friend who is trying to break 2k and when I got 2300 I was playing that build bc I felt like I had more burst and could help to kill

So would it be bad to recommend that to him

[potent pivot]

nah it's fine

it's still a very viable build

[molten hedge]

I don’t understand how Doomblade and bone spike is so popular. It does no damage. I must be missing something

[potent pivot]

sbs does decent dmg

and the refunded combo points can feel nice

[molten hedge]

That random 1-1.5 mil kingsbane sure feels nice too lol

[potent pivot]

but it's just more overall pad dmg

[molten hedge]

I hear you. I feel like at lower rating you need as much burst as possible bc healers don’t trade as well so any bit can help

I mean any rating you need more burst but you know what I mean. The issue is probably with his rotation tho not one ability

Maybe he’s not keeping up bleeds well

[mystic pasture]

Whats the trick to getting the juiciest Kingsbane?

[potent pivot]

being in melee range and pressing buttons on the target that you kingsbaned

casting kingsbane on someone thats under 35% hp

casting kingsbane after shiv

during deathmark

using tea if talented

lots of shit

[mystic pasture]

Deathmark > Shiv > Kingsbane

Then keep stabbing. Got it

[hazy monolith]

does the evasion 20% dmg reduc work? no tooltip whether from the skill nor the buff names it

and if yes: does it stack with the feint dmg reduc?

[potent pivot]

yes and yes

but dmg reduction doesn't all stack how you might think

it stacks multiplicatively in most cases

[hazy monolith]

eeww

fr?

so 24% when both are up?

[severe helm]

more than that

36%

they apply in sequence

so if you take 100 damage

it first goes down to 80(20% off)

then 20% applies again so 80 down to 64 (20% of 80 is 16)

[waxen meteor]

it seems more and more are using the new ring?

i just randomly checking detail and found more and more new ring

[severe helm]

yeah its broken rn

[potent pivot]

broken

It’s ok for outlaw

Doodoo for sub n sin

[safe pelican]

bro are flag battles just toss up on who has the better fc i keep losing flag battles shit is wackkkk other team always has a pres or a monk that knows how to run flag and mine as always brain dead monks or a resto druid @severe helm

[severe helm]

yeah blitz is the least balnced game mode ever made

flag maps are usually lost in the starting room

[hazy monolith]

and which one gets applied first? like first applied reduc?

[severe helm]

it doesnt matter

the math results the same

transitive property 😉

[severe helm]

if you have an rdruid they have to heal offense

their heals do nothing into the flag debuff

blizz has really bad developer talent

so theres a lot of healers who have spells that just go through the flag debuff

so they can heal uninterupted through it

mw, pres, and disc are those 3

any other healer has no reason to play on D

just go heal O

[hazy monolith]

when that is how the blizz math works in this case, okay

[safe pelican]

this this this i cant do it anymore i need a break lol

[safe pelican]

i knew it this pres was just godly last match and we had a resto druid man dies before he crosses bridge everytime pres just solo carrying

i quit lol just playing for fun now

let jesus take the wheel

[severe helm]

pres is broken cuz golden hour heals through the debuff

so it just fully heals them every time they press it almost

6s cd

very balanced

lol

[safe pelican]

then communion right when they are finally gunna die lol

[severe helm]

nah

communion doesnt do anything