pvp

[potent pivot]

and when i put forms on scroll wheel i was having the issue of it pressing twice, wasting another GCD taking me out of form

[sour crane]

so doing it something like this is probably best for me?

noone sees any problems this could cause me?

[potent pivot]

i would put strike and stab on 1 button

that's the only different ability on the stealth bar

you also don't need slice and dice bound really

if auto applies from evis

if you keep it bound, put it on something you rarely press

[sour crane]

ahh so i can bind backstab and shadowstrike together, remove snd and carry on like i am?

sorry i know im pestering alot i really appreciate the help

[potent pivot]

backstab on the non stealth bar, and strike in the same spot on the stealth bar

[sour crane]

ohhh i see thankyou

[severe helm]

saaaaame

[potent pivot]

i think ven is playing aug rn

its... interesting

[severe helm]

ooo

he be crankin peeps

[molten hedge]

That was from earlier. I liked it so much I screenshot it lol. Good comms

[molten hedge]

I put autorun to shift spacebar so I could easily put up buffs and set my target and focus while hooking in its smooth

And macrod Stealth, ADR, and RTB for the start of the arena only

[jaunty osprey]

Aug seems fun

pumps quite a bit if u can free cast

[molten hedge]

My friend @stiff cedar did the one shot on me last night. Think he had a SS of the tec behind that Supatease 1 shot

[stiff cedar]

Oh I have the SS aug tech (tired lol)

[potent pivot]

everyone thought that aug was trash in pve and pvp

[stiff cedar]

It's a full crit stack with a gimmicky build with the typical complaint, "outside that window I do nothing"

[potent pivot]

then everyone realizes it's been good this whole time

[stiff cedar]

But if you one shot in that window who cares lmao

[potent pivot]

hilarious

[stiff cedar]

I've thought aug is good it just has like literally 3 ppl playing it

For whoever wanted

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This doesn't feel very rog pvp but @molten hedge summoned it for me so /shrug

[languid ravine]

I was playing Fury at 1900 rating

they were close matches but I couldnt help but wonder why my dps was so low

turns out my pants and legs were 0 durability lmao

and my gnome warrior didnt show any pants on log out character screen

oh and my gloves were ilvl 603

that explains a lot

[potent pivot]

i realized my enh was doing no dam because i had an intellect mainhand fist weapon

fuckin level boost items are all the same with diff main stats lmao

[languid ravine]

[potent pivot]

rets bout to be 80

then slap on full BT gear

ez

[stiff cedar]

The empyrean hammer stuff looks fun as hell

[jaunty osprey]

Kamahlen, that streamer we watched w minimal UI, plays a good bit of Aug

I hate how ret does so little damage outside of 30s wings

I WANNA BE OP

[potent pivot]

ez

[jaunty osprey]

LFGGGG

I need to find a good way to use lay/bop on my teammates on 1 bind

I had a macro that made it so if target is enemy, and no mouseover - uses on me

if target friendly, uses them

if target enemy and mouseover exists, uses mouseover

[potent pivot]

ye that's all you need

[jaunty osprey]

but it was buggy and if teammate was LOS

it casted on me

so I stopped using

[potent pivot]

any other macros you'd suggest?

[jaunty osprey]

sac/bop/lay and sanc

freedom just cast on urself since it gives it to 1 other target now

unless facing boomy then u need a mouseover or smth for root beam for ur healer?

[potent pivot]

you use divine storm on ST?

or just if you can hit everyone

[jaunty osprey]

nah

final verdict only

u have procs that will cast storm for u though

I used to use storm, but it’s all pad tbh

[wary thistle]

Pve mindset is DS on 2+ targets. In pvp i think FV is the way though

[jaunty osprey]

Casting storm reduces ur kill pressure a lot, no point rly spamming it over FV

Eye for an eye pumps though

[potent pivot]

gotcha

ill prolly ignore it

can free up a good bind putting it somewhere else

[jaunty osprey]

Also, play around w both hero specs

they’re both good

in its own way

One hits HARD, one is more consistent

[fiery turret]

sorry no, used to play rogue, switched to feral :> I was just so confused about such a big hit 😄

[severe helm]

Isn't it other way around

You need to give it to someone else to get two

Otherwise it just gives it to you right?

[potent pivot]

that's how it reads on the tooltip

[languid ravine]

best way imo is two binds, one macro with atParty1 / atParty2
and one macro with atParty3 / atParty2

you could probs put it on one macro with two modifier conditions

but then you need to figure out which party member is what party number

[severe helm]

I just like mousover for those things

reasonably reliable

[jaunty osprey]

Nah they changed it

casting on urself casts on someone else now

[severe helm]

just randomly?

lolol

they really give ret all the handicaps

cant fuck that spec up if you tried jeez

next thing sac is just gona be used on the target with lwoest hp if you dont have a target

[languid ravine]

oh you can I see it all the time xd

[languid ravine]

there is a talent to auto cast it

[severe helm]

looooooooooooooool

[languid ravine]

but ofc noones seriously taking that coz its minus one talent and its casted way too late

[potent pivot]

seems like there's a lot of auto cast talents now

DH blur

tea

etc

[languid ravine]

at least DH blur gets 10% bonus DR and the half cd and duration can be useful

[potent pivot]

DH even has a talent that lets it's reticle spells be cast @ target lmao

talk about handicaps

[severe helm]

dh auto blur is so tilting

also why does DH blur DODGE FROM BEHIND

like wtf

[severe helm]

yeah thats actually so upsetting

[languid ravine]

coz they are blind, not deaf

[severe helm]

I guess when I cast blind on them im just throwing sand in their ears?

[potent pivot]

The 1 melee 1800 I’m not looking forward to getting is DH

I might even try to do some ranged specs before I do DH

[jaunty osprey]

Wait

DH has auto blur?

How does it proc

[jaunty osprey]

Oh

no1 takes that then

Netherwalk is way better

Netherwalk with bandaid

tops u

to 100%

[potent pivot]

i've seen a lot of people use it

but at the top end nah no1 uses it

what class shall i level next

i've got ww/enh/dh left to do for melee

[jaunty osprey]

it has to be enhance

esp if you just made a ret

it’s kinda similar

ranged melee vibe

[potent pivot]

i've got no idea how enh works nowadays

time to learn

[jaunty osprey]

the next bigdam

:’)

[potent pivot]

i don't get the stacks

[severe helm]

we dont need another

pls

[jaunty osprey]

when will one of u rogue players heal

[potent pivot]

like frost shock and lava lash have stacks on them on my bars and idk wtf that is

[languid ravine]

which stacks? each stack cuts your casttime by 20% with 5 stacks instant cast

[potent pivot]

i might heal later this season

either hpal or mw

[potent pivot]

frost shock/lash have no cast time

[severe helm]

frost shock does more dam more stacks you have

use at 10

frost shock actually hits hella hard

[severe helm]

I play disc lol

[potent pivot]

yeh that's what i figured just from fucking around at dummies

hits p hard

[severe helm]

I dont like enh personally feels like theres too many buttons I want to press at once

[gilded gulch]

What I usually see from enhance is they dont do much besides

Erase your hp bar during ascendance doomwinds

[jaunty osprey]

Xxmewo needs some work

xxmewo looking like my ret

jkjk

[severe helm]

lolol

hey I was 3k mmr in blitz last night

its funny in placements I got all the way down to 900 mmr

then went all the way up to 3k mmr same day

the mmr in blitz is comically volatile

for some reason this xpac feels harder to keep alts geared but maybe im just being lazy

doing the anniversary event leveling right now though so hopefully have more alts for s2

[jaunty osprey]

ya ur rogue was cracked mmr from the start

and u could 50/50 or 60/40 ur whole way up

to ur mmr

[severe helm]

I had a pretty bad lose streak on the rogue for a while

was stuck 2.6-2.9

but yeah now im chillin as long as I stay queueing at the right times

Gotta get the shuffle mmr up I think its only like 2.4 rn

shuffle is so much faster paced than blitz its ridic

when I first started playing this season it was hella overwhelming lol

forgot how fast arena was

[safe pelican]

What exactly are these times you speak of sir

[severe helm]

theres only 3200+ lobbies on saturdays usually

[safe pelican]

Yes weekend and Fridays pop the most

[severe helm]

ocassionally there will be some other days just have to check the streams, sethrbg, omnivore, etc

its only after like 9pm PST too

and goes late into the night

[safe pelican]

Yea mfs be vamping 😂

[severe helm]

if I wasnt westcoast I literally couldnt play

I gotta go to sleep by like 1 lol idk how the degens do it

theyre up til like 2 or 3am pst

east coasters up til sunrise

[potent pivot]

[jaunty osprey]

Notrickz doesnt sleep

I’m east coast and sleep at 2:30 AM and wake up at 7:30 AM

and I check discord in the morning, and this guy is replying all night

[potent pivot]

depends on the night

i'm usually 36up 12asleep so

this shit any good

guess not lmao

[wary thistle]

I feel like brawl is dead, outside easy honor farm from comp stomp

And oddly the cooking one

[languid ravine]

couldnt be the 100000 honour required for sockets

[potent pivot]

it's super easy to get base gear for alts

[languid ravine]

wait is it exactly 100000? I was just guessing

xd

[potent pivot]

fully bloody token gear, then just buy the stuff for crafted shit

[languid ravine]

nah 112500 right?

[potent pivot]

then grind conq for whatever else

sockets are like an afterthought

[sour crane]

hey guys thanks for all your help before

this is where ive landed switching back to me 70 rogue ready to lvl

is there anything standing out ther as super bad before i start getting used to it and start creating focus/123 macros etc

[potent pivot]

You can unbind black powder in pvp

You have an mmo mouse right

[sour crane]

i do but i havent set it up for use yet

[potent pivot]

You also don’t really need Shroud bound in pvp

Everything else is just personal preference

Gotta play and figure out where you like everything

[sour crane]

yeah im not gonna unbind anything cause ill stil be doing casual content weekly and stuff

but yeah if im not missing anything lets get going then 😄

[potent pivot]

Word

[sour crane]

thanbkyou

rogues always seemed so unsurmountable

[potent pivot]

Yeah I think it’s the hardest class in the game personally

In pvp anyway

[sour crane]

definitely, i was an altoholic and could never settle on anything, going from classic till literally df s2

when i tried surv hunter for the first time

played that since and thats been a gateway drug for trying rogue as an alt i guess

glad i get to finally try and ruin peoples day in arathi basin

is there any spicy macros i should know about for qol?

[potent pivot]

You need a Tea bind

[sour crane]

oooh thankyou, the blitz build i grabbed from murlok didnt use it so didnt think i would

okidoke

i will only be playing blitz, not arena or ss if that matters

[potent pivot]

I’d still have a bind set aside for it

[sour crane]

okidoke thankyou man

[potent pivot]

[potent pivot]

Just focus macros etc

[sour crane]

first thoughts are shadowstep is like harpoon but on crack

and also this supercharged combo point is something new to confuse me

can i ignore that is it just extra damage?

[jaunty osprey]

You can ignore it, just finish like how you used to

5-max CP only

[severe helm]

I mean I dont even have sockets on my main so I dont really count that

it was kind of easy to gear my priest but thats cuz solo shuffle pops as a healer are super fast

[potent pivot]

I feel like it’s easier then ever to gear alts

Fuckin autocorrect

[severe helm]

I think itll be easier now that I have a couple characters who will have the surplus conq

[potent pivot]

I just do all the 500 bloody token WQs on all my alts every time they’re up

And do Sparks weekly on the ones that need gear or are level 70 still

[severe helm]

brother what

[potent pivot]

Basically full geared on every alt by the time I hit 80

[severe helm]

thats wiiiild

[potent pivot]

?

[severe helm]

yeaaah im so lazy about that

[severe helm]

36 up 12 down is crazy to me

sounds kinda fun though

[potent pivot]

It sucks ass

But I have insomnia so that’s just how it happens for me

[severe helm]

ah thats annoying

[potent pivot]

Going to work with no sleep is fried as fuck

[severe helm]

Yeah that one would suck a lot

I sleep a fat 8 hours a night most nights

[potent pivot]

I’ve prolly gone to work with no sleep over a thousand times in my life

Ain’t fun

[jaunty osprey]

Sockets are so easy to get

If you buy bloodstones

[molten hedge]

I know a guy that lvled an 80 of every class for both factions. Bro is my Gingi

[potent pivot]

wtf

i'm still like 605 ilvl how am i smacking this hard

[severe helm]

is that in pvp?

hammer of light usually hits me for like 1.5mil in arena/blitz

[spring bough]

Rival on rogue, DK, Hunter, and now what else this season. Warrior?

What other class has a cool set

[potent pivot]

the mage set is aight

[languid ravine]

idk I ve hit 2.3 rating on rogue weeks ago and now I cant surpass 2k on any other character at all because everyone is godawful like unbearably so

unplayable shuffles

[sharp sierra]

Guys a question from wow classic
Can i enjoy rogue at 200ms?
Pve is doable but im curious on pvp.

[potent pivot]

might want to try one of the other servers linked in the pins of #classic-discussion or look up Simonizeshow's discord

[sharp sierra]

Oh niceee

[potent pivot]

not much classic discussion happens here, but i think you can do fine with 200ms. not as bad as it sounds imo

[sharp sierra]

Becos classic is more slower gameplay right?

[potent pivot]

nah i mean classic GCDs and off GCDs are the same as retail

for the most part

[sharp sierra]

Aha

[potent pivot]

i just don't think 200ms makes anything 'unplayable'

[safe pelican]

What ms should we have ?

Need to know if I should retire or not until I get a better PC

[potent pivot]

ms is mostly up to your location and the server's location

so like

one of my main realms is zul'jin, which is on the chicago data center

so i've got ~42ms, from the east coast

if i was on the west coast i'd probably have higher ms

when i log into a character on tichondrius, which is on the LA data center, i have ~80ms

[slate panther]

is cold blood sectec less effective in pvp?

or do fury/ret/rsham have crit protection

[severe helm]

I play on a central server as a west coaster and have like 60ms

on west coast servers I get like 30ms

[severe helm]

pvp as a whole has crit damage reduction

[severe helm]

chanimal won plenty an awc with high ping

[potent pivot]

sec tech just isn't really our big damage this season, not worth running CB really

[potent pivot]

wait you're NA?

why did i think you were EU

[slate panther]

what do you pref over it

1x subter?

ig it's 3 points

double vanish

[potent pivot]

forced induction, deeper strat, tea

trading tea for double vanish if you need/want it

[slate panther]

word

[red pebble]

Does unbreakable stride actually help kite against frost mage or devoker etc? Or is it better to pick energy sparing talents(i.e. nimble finger/rushed setup)?

[safe pelican]

Yea im on Tich with 72ms should i switch ?

I’m east coast

Well nvm after the chanimal statement lol

[hazy monolith]

any tips against sub as outlaw?

just gg? xD

[languid ravine]

just do it

[hazy monolith]

1 min rupture says no

[potent pivot]

unbreakable stride is pretty dogshit

it's only ok into stuff that doesn't apply slows passively

[potent pivot]

idk i don't think it matters that much personally

70ms is like, what? 0.070 seconds of delay? not very noticeable imo

you don't start to really notice it until 150-200+ ms and even then it's not hard to get used to it

[red pebble]

Hmm makes sense since games nowdays are full of passive roots and snares lol

Any tips for kiting against ranged dps? I have like zero uptime on them especially in large maps like mald or enigma

Assa btw

[glass hazel]

there is no oneshots so you always can react, i play with 150-200ms usually since oce ;x

[severe helm]

Tbh sub should never lose to outlaw

Best you can do is try to pre feint their go

Evasion does nothing cuz cheap goes through it

Don't get stunned behind a pillar

And oom their healer

I've never beaten a good sub rmp without ooming them

beating sub really comes down to trading perfectly over and over until you kill them in damp

[safe pelican]

Just played flag map where my healer basically gave the other team the game

This idiot goes to their base with 15 stacks and tries to kill the fc standing right inside their base basically on their flag so as soon as he died they capped I’ve never seen some bs like this

[safe pelican]

In order to win an orb match i have to type grab orbs in all caps in the chat every 30 seconds

I shouldn’t have to do that to win bro

We lost btw 😂 by 10 points then everyone wants to grab orbs when I’m raging in chat about how we just threw a 300 point lead ffs

[dim oriole]

90% of orb game wins are based on whether someone reminds people to grab orbs

[stoic spruce]

@spring bough I have a build I want you to try

I call it

"Ew"

[potent tiger]

anyone know how to make gladius show trinkets?

[potent pivot]

it should be in the settings if it isn't already enabled

make sure you're using one of the up to date versions, there's like 4-5 different versions of Gladius on curseforge

[potent tiger]

can u gimme a link to the good one

[potent pivot]

most people use GladiusEX or Gladius (bicmex version)

[potent pivot]

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/gladius-bicmex-version

google is your friend

[potent tiger]

i use yahoo

[potent pivot]

[languid ravine]

google is absolutely with 100% certainty not your friend lmao

[potent tiger]

ty that one looks good btw 🙂

[potent pivot]

when it comes to answering 99% of basic wow questions it is

[potent pivot]

dope np

[potent tiger]

now how to figure out how to make a macro if i lose my focus target by stealth lol

the amount of times ive sapped the wrong target cuz i lose focus is stupid

[potent pivot]

just gotta re focus afaik

some people use 3 focus macros

like /focus arena1/2/3

[glass hazel]

newbie question how to make "combat status" more visible on plater?

[potent pivot]

no idea

most of us use betterblizzplates and betterblizzframes

[glass hazel]

sometimes i sap targets in combat cause i'm blind

😦

[potent pivot]

there's addons and WAs that show a Sap icon if the target is OOC

[glass hazel]

oh nice, exactly my case

thanks will search for it

there is even one exactly for plater, feel so dumb not to search it directly haha

[outer sky]

@jaunty osprey you around?

[severe helm]

plater ui suuuuuucks

goodluck

I use plater for pve and threatplates for pvp

[glass hazel]

yeah super unfriendly but i found ready to use mod

[outer sky]

best nameplate addon is nplates and it's not close

[severe helm]

can it do custom nameplates by unit name?

[outer sky]

not sure honestly

[severe helm]

does it have features built in like healer icons for pvp?

thats why I use threatplates for pvp

I can make specific units have special colored nameplates/sizes

so grounding totem is super easy to click

or psyfiend

or whatever

[outer sky]

i have all that too it's just not tied to my nameplates addon

[severe helm]

what do you use?

[outer sky]

betterblizzplates

and weakauras

[severe helm]

so you use two nameplate addons?

[outer sky]

yep lol

[severe helm]

haha sounds like nplates isnt the best nameplate addon

[outer sky]

visually it is

[severe helm]

if it requires another one

they can all do the same visually

[outer sky]

idk ive tried em all. I only like nplates

[severe helm]

gotta just spend more time with them

your nplates looks almost exactly like plater default lol

[outer sky]

nah no way I tried to hard to like plater and just coulnt

[severe helm]

plater is a bitch

but its the most optimized

by a huge margin

thats why I use it for pve

trying to use anythign else causes so much lag

plater has settings to control nameplate update frequency

so when theres 40 mobs on screen and your frost mage is spamming blizzard and frozen orb you can actually play the game

plater is def the most powerful nameplate addon

most people use it cuz you can very easily import full dungeon mob profiles

that color code every mob for what type of spells it has

and color codes their casts for whats important to kick etc

and what casts cant be kicked but need stunned

plater is insane

[outer sky]

this is so depressing

[severe helm]

rofl wtf ive never seen the average eactually report that high

[outer sky]

so my actual wait will be like 4 hours

[outer sky]

Hey yall so I have one rogue at 2476cr, one at 2473cr, and one at 2401cr. What's the best strat for pushing rank 1? Do i queue a lobby on each of them, one after the other? Or should i only ever queue on the lowest rated one and try to gradually increase all of their ratings evenly?

Or is there another strat i haven't even thought of

[glass hazel]

mind share your profile? might give it a try

[cosmic seal]

Hey i tried to push 3s yesterday as assa rogue (thug comp) around 1.9/2k cr

I have been nuked by r1 caster cleave or fury Warriors during 2 hours lol

is this comp viable or shit ?

[nova viper]

LAAAAST CHRIIIISTMAS

I gejw ju my hart

at de veri nice place

@potent pivot where Panda

[stoic spruce]

@jolly sierra hiiiii where you beeeeeeeeen?

[frail knot]

Tried some assa action last night! Feels super strong! Any1 here tried assa+affli in 2s? Just overwhelm them with dmg? Sap/ blind then dubble dot after with stuns/fear on healer? Must work to a certain level in my mind

[safe pelican]

Send me that WA 😌👀

[spring bough]

Too busy playing sod/classic 😂

[stoic spruce]

Cringe

Okay

Actually SoD slaps

Got that outlaw gameplay

[molten hedge]

Better Blizz Plates has a combat indicator just search for that. It will put a cookie and milk on the bar. And then there’s an option to put sap instead. So just search “combat indicator” and “sap” and check both boxes off

[safe pelican]

Need the actual WA so i can copy it for my own research

I actually have it through skill capped but i can’t find the single WA itself it’s somewhere buried in the pack

[frail knot]

So lets say better Blizz plates vs plater with various mods for combat, healer icon etc - which one is easiest on the performance? I got a damn 4070 and last years ”best” i5, still lag like hell in 40man bgs team fights.. i swear i had better fps on my school laptop doing AV back in vanilla

[spring bough]

Playing enhance sod right now because it absolutely wrecks

[potent pivot]

Dunno I’ve been seeing them around less and less lately

[potent pivot]

I use BBP

[potent pivot]

BBP is a lighter addon than player

[jolly sierra]

yo why are u asking for me that much lol

[potent tiger]

he missed you

[dark stump]

what does bbp and plater addon do ?

[potent tiger]

plater is a nameplate replacing addon

I use Jundies profile and will never change

if we don't take elusiveness do we still use feint? Seems like a lot of energy lost

[jaunty osprey]

Hi bb

Sorry, I was sleeping

[potent pivot]

yes we use it lol

[jaunty osprey]

or playing ret

[potent tiger]

ok just checking 🙂

[jaunty osprey]

I forget

[potent pivot]

they add functions to healthbar plates

[jaunty osprey]

A lot of abilities in-game now are AOE

[potent pivot]

that's bbp

[jaunty osprey]

that looks like default 😎

jk

[stoic spruce]

I misses you 😞

[potent tiger]

which hero are yall using for solo for SIN

[potent pivot]

deathstalker

[jolly sierra]

way too few time to spent, so i was unable to join u guys

[safe pelican]

BBP appears on nameplate ooc?

[potent pivot]

wdym

[severe helm]

DMed you the profile

[proven field]

The Christmas xmogs in TP are amazing

only rub is the daggers are... not Christmas'y enough

you can even get Uggs boots lol

[wraith tangle]

Guys, what do you think about assa fatebound? I saw few people playing it and it did not look bad at all. Coin flips hitting for 1m etc.

[potent pivot]

it's just RNG and less defensive/utility

[severe helm]

The coin flip does crank really hard yeah

[proven field]

Play what cranks your gears - there's like 47 people queuing, just get some

[wraith tangle]

Yea, I just hit for 1,4m crt. Butoverall dmg and deadliness seems lover tbh

[smoky stone]

Guys, if i follow most of the guides i find, and try to figure out BIS pvp gear set up it feels like i have it now? What more i can do or change what i have to be even better? https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-gb/character/eu/outland/zisterfister/

[potent pivot]

Just copy murlok.io

[smoky stone]

i did kind a, but not a single top player, but all of them in some way

[potent pivot]

Doesn’t look like every piece is correct

[smoky stone]

like what?

[potent pivot]

4 piece - 2 piece is bis
conq dagger - 2x crafted is bis
1 conq ring - 2x crafted is bis
bloody token belt - crafted is bis
bloody token wrist - crafted is bis

all of this

you want crafted chest/crafted gloves instead of 4pc

more people are starting to run 4pc lately so maybe just keep it

well, like 10-15 people are

idk

personally i don't think it's worth, but you've already got it so

[smoky stone]

I crafed my dagger and quility i got wasnt the best, does this have anything to do if pvp lvl goes up to max anyways?

[potent pivot]

nah that's just pve ilvl

[smoky stone]

16% increase in finishing moves for free, why dont you think its worth it?

[potent pivot]

it's 8% in pvp and it's not free

[severe helm]

tier has bad stats

so its not worth

[potent pivot]

you sacrifice vers/mast for it

[smoky stone]

oh ok so those stats overall are so important? This i my first ever char so im green af

[potent pivot]

yeah vers/mast on sub especially are it's only 2 good stats

crit/haste are horrible for sub

[severe helm]

also getting the 8% requires you to sec tech early into your dance

which sacrifices sec tech damage

cuz youre using it at low macabre stacks

[potent pivot]

we already do

evis is the big dam this season

[severe helm]

Oh I'm still seeing subs use sec tech after one evisc

[potent pivot]

but 4set means you only get that 8% on Dances with Tech

whereas running 2set is more mastery all the time

[severe helm]

maybe theyre just trolling

[potent pivot]

not everyone's gotten the memo ig

there are ppl still using slow offhand

which is dogshit

[severe helm]

no shot

lol

[potent pivot]

ya i stg

[severe helm]

subs using sword offhand?

[potent pivot]

yea

[severe helm]

thats insane damage loss

wtfc

[potent pivot]

it's something sub has always done

but nowadays it's fucking terrible

[severe helm]

Ive heard subs say "slow offhand is bigger white hits"

and I facepalm so hard

pvp logic man

[potent pivot]

the only reason you ever ran a slow offhand

was because daggers didn't have mastery and mace usually did

anyone talking about melee damage is a brainlet

but now shadow tech was changed

and we can run shadowcraft

imp shadow tech

and even craft mastery daggers

i would run a crit dagger over a slow offhand rn

people are just bad/don't understand the game

[smoky stone]

daym ok so to craft everything you just told, 4200 conquest 😄

[potent pivot]

even folks like whaazz/pika/palumor i've seen use slow offhand

[potent pivot]

you will probably be fine sticking with 4 set for rn, try to replace the other stuff first

like that crit dagger with a crafted dagger

[smoky stone]

Yeah, but about those sockets (places for gems) only way to get those are 5k honor 3 bloodstone vendor guy?

[potent pivot]

yeah

[smoky stone]

can i remove sockets from old gear to not " waste " it?

[potent pivot]

there's a chest that spawns that drops them

but it's a pain in the ass

[potent pivot]

don't think so

[smoky stone]

daym, was sure i was bis and suddenly im half way there 😄

At least i dont feel useless now so i can farm while im upgrading then

[severe helm]

yeah honestly the last place I look for pvp theorycrafting is historic top of the ladder players

[potent pivot]

you're not doing that bad. just don't replace your ring until you can socket a new one.

you have good enough gear to do fine

you don't HAVE to have bis to climb

[smoky stone]

nah but if i can get an upgrade i wanna get it, just a thing in my head. Ifi die with out bis i can blame it on it 😄

[potent pivot]

i don't think you can blame gear unless you're in greens i gotta be honest

[smoky stone]

What about my cape? is it right?

[potent pivot]

crafted cape would be better but it's fine

[smoky stone]

i see most people are wearing forged warmongers cape

[potent pivot]

wouldn't recommend sticking with any bloody token gear

it barely has more mastery and has less agility

than crafted gear

[smoky stone]

Both dagers authority of radiant power right?

and all gems versatile onyx?

[potent pivot]

yes and yes

[candid tide]

cause they dont wanna spend cq yet or too lazy to change gear

and often are too skilled and able to negate gear

just watch the ladder top 10s some of them havent even gemmed full yet

some running around with aspirant pieces still

[molten hedge]

Someone in here said a good tactic to climb as outlaw is to rotate stun DRs. I just heard Whaazz say the same thing. Does that mean not stunning one of the DPS and rotating stuns on them every time subterfuge is up

[candid tide]

there was a yt guide on whaazz playstyle with his team last and it shows that on every enemy dr reset hell have them all 3 stunned again everytime accurately

[molten hedge]

Yeah that is 3s tho. I think you’re talking about a venruki VOD he did of Whaazz

And I think Whaazz was playing sub

[candid tide]

yeah true lol

on skillcapped last too they said something similar regarding him

[dark stump]

did hunt got a buff or something ?

can someone advice how to play in this comp?

[potent pivot]

marks got a tiny buff a couple weeks ago

it's still pretty bad

[dark stump]

is there any diff btw assa talent for ss and 2v2?

[potent pivot]

not really

can drop IC maybe but doesn't matter

i would definitely use the supercharger/kingsbane build

if you aren't already

[dark stump]

thx

[stoic spruce]

Bros playing the arena called life

[severe helm]

how do you even tell the classes of your teammates?

the raid frames are just green

[dark stump]

ah mb pala dps and hpal

[potent pivot]

you need some addons and a ui set up

[languid ravine]

no class coloured health bars

[severe helm]

everyone is a monk

[languid ravine]

I ll be a monk

in Path of Exile 2, award winning action RPG by the New Zealand company Grinding Gear Games

[jaunty oyster]

If you aren't running addon to change frames you can change then under the raid frames section in the options menu

[languid ravine]

and btw I still have an Early Access key that nobody seems to want for PoE2

FOR FREE

[potent pivot]

doesn't it launch this weekend or something

[languid ravine]

two days from now

they ll DDos their own servers probably because they hand out keys like candy xd

[potent pivot]

i mean i'll take it why not

[languid ravine]

do you have a PC with hardware and steam on it

[potent pivot]

hardware?

i've got steam

[languid ravine]

I mean its not gonna run on a trash laptop from 2010 is all

[potent pivot]

oh, yeah

i've got a pc i built

[dark stump]

i love getting hit in the ball by a war execute (1m7 damage)

[little egret]

u only have 1 ball? 😮

[potent pivot]

@spring bough I’m starting to see why you got suspended

[spring bough]

Why’s that

[potent pivot]

This game’s community is …

I genuinely don’t know how to word it

I just got kicked from a leveling dungeon for no reason after the tank died lmao

[spring bough]

someone whisper you some crazy stuff?

oh did they just blame u for being the healer or something lol

[potent pivot]

Now I’ve got a leaver debuff because some people decided to be dicks

I wasn’t even the healer lmao

[spring bough]

they even say anything? lmao

[potent pivot]

Nope

[severe helm]

Jesus

Wtf

[safe pelican]

Happened to me once i logged off because of that

And tricks ima get back to you in a second about BBP and that WA just got home getting my life together

[jaunty osprey]

u suk

It was mewo on an alt btw

that vote kicked u

[spring bough]

musta done something that made them all go HUH

[jaunty osprey]

Was prob his mog

[severe helm]

Whoa why you gotta rat me out

You're next now

[potent pivot]

[potent pivot]

brother

my mogs might not be good

but i shall hold my tongue about yours

-# (they are cooked)

[jolly sierra]

1v1 VR ultra HD

[spring bough]

Apple Vision Pros?

[safe pelican]

Its BBP that puts it on the name plate btw tricks nvm I thought it was a WA too how can we do that with a weak aura is what im trying to figure out cause most of the wa's i see are just icons that pop up on screen not acutally anchored to player nameplaters

[potent pivot]

well there's WAs that do it too

quite a few addons/WAs have that functionality

[safe pelican]

Nvm im digging now about to cook up ty

didnt know they had anchor settings

[potent pivot]

i think there's an addon called Sappable or something like that as well

[jolly sierra]

hope so lol

[safe pelican]

4-0 tonight in blitz

Just had to get out of the shitters bracket so insane i don’t even lose rating for my first loss rn

Second loss i might lose rating 3 loss def losing rating i should quit while im ahead but trying for 50-100 rating a session when i play lol

Not even doing anything special to win , just 2 or more competent teammates that know how to say “ ok “ to my plan instead of not responding or belittling me is all it takes to be competitive crazy i know

[hazy monolith]

tips for outlaw into double melee?

[jaunty osprey]

smh 3v3 queues are fried too

[languid ravine]

its 3am here my shuffle queue insta popped

WoW not dead confirmed

and there was even a Survival hunter in it I havent seen one the whole last two months

[jaunty osprey]

@potent pivot platying 3s on stream

2650 mmr 3s

[hazy monolith]

twitch name?

[potent pivot]

it's on his discord profile

[hazy monolith]

ah I thought he meant u

[potent pivot]

Nah I don’t stream

Maybe when I build a new pc

[glass hazel]

decide to join to get some tips, ivanrah got oneshoted from 60 to 0

balanced game

[jaunty osprey]

LOL

actually 60-0

[glass hazel]

i mean it shouldnt be like that wth

like 30-0 maybe but 60 is a lot of health

[jaunty osprey]

SUDDEN DEMISE

IS THE SHITTEST TALENT

[safe pelican]

i love it when it works lol

[jaunty osprey]

😦

[jaunty osprey]

sin rogues are SQUISHYYYYY

[glass hazel]

yeah i know that's why i hate warriors if they sit on you gg

next game

[severe helm]

Sudden demise really is shit

[severe helm]

I swear sometimes I watch the person sitting at 5% hp for SOOO Long and it just doesnt pop

[waxen meteor]

40 mins queue..

[severe helm]

same

guess im buying poe

[bold mortar]

Can Outlaw/Warr/Healer work in 3s? If so, how high can it get an average player?

Even Outlaw/non-DH/SV melee/healer

[stoic spruce]

generally you want something with kill pressure

outlaw feral maybe

[severe helm]

call me the mage devourer @jaunty osprey

outlaw just eaaaats em up

50 min queue for this match though

like jfc

[bold mortar]

Ty, will check that out too...is Ret/Outlaw still cool? I've seen people play in older xpacs...I haven't played current xpac yet.

[severe helm]

scoobydoo cleave?

prob doesnt have enough kill pressure sadly

[jaunty osprey]

BIGGGGGG

how is that fury war dam

real

lmao

bahahaha

[waxen meteor]

what's poe

[severe helm]

haha

[severe helm]

path of exile

poe2 comes out friday

[waxen meteor]

ah yeah

[severe helm]

I guess mage + hunter kites

the game ended very fast so he really didnt get to hit many things

we were hitting into defensives p much the whole time

[waxen meteor]

damn this week even has solo weekly

why queue so slow

alt rogue had 45 queue

now alt priest having 40+ too

priest is not even high mmr

just wants to do a quick run before going to bed

but queue still has not pop after i am done with everything else in life lol

[severe helm]

it really sucks yeah

[stoic spruce]

Only thing I can think of Outlaw Scooby-Doo being good into is arm/spriest

Other than that I wouldn't have high hopes

[molten hedge]

@severe helm me last night. Most backwards ass lobby. The fury warr was 5th on dam 😂😂

You would think I’d lose 2 rounds with the prot. Nope..feral died every round lol

[gleaming sentinel]

3 double warrior BM double hpal lobbies in a row. Kill me

[molten hedge]

I also had 3 or 4 double warr lobbies yesterday. 2 with prot

[molten hedge]

I’d been hovering around 1950 the past week and decided to just pve more and broke 2k pretty quickly lmao. Maybe that’s all I needed to do

[severe helm]

Yuuuge

Also prot wtf

[jaunty osprey]

@outer sky damn

you have 2300 rounds played

A TRUE GRINDER

a legend

[outer sky]

Ya know I thought that was a lot until last week I saw someone in goldshire with over 7k rounds. Like holy shit

@jaunty osprey I have 3 rogues above 2400. How should I push for r1? Do i queue a lobby on each one after the other consecutively or do i only queue on the lowest rated one?

[severe helm]

holyyyyyy

2300!??!?!?

[severe helm]

yeah you leap frog

[jaunty osprey]

Only queue your lowest rogue

[severe helm]

I do always lowest rated

that way in theory you can never lose rating

[outer sky]

Yeah but you may also never gain it lol

[jaunty osprey]

yeah but

[outer sky]

Sometimes i just get spammed with frost mage double pally lobbies

[jaunty osprey]

you just queue that till u get

ur rating back then

u wont get r1 if u cant win

If u cant win on ur lowest char how do u expect to win on ur higher one

[outer sky]

I found that from 2100-2500 the games are all about the same difficulty. I win and lose based on what kind of rng i get with what classes are in the lobbies

Like on my newest rogue who's only been level 80 for a couple days, getting from 2300-2400 wasn't any harder than 2100-2200

[jaunty osprey]

That’s fair

sometimes u just get good rng and the easiest lobbies

[outer sky]

Yeah I queued on my main a few days ago and the lobby was UDK, fury warr, WW monk, disc, resto druid

So like right there i know I'm gaining rating

Went 5-1 because the disc trolled me one game and gripped me out of my own smoke bomb

[severe helm]

at least you wont lose it lol

if you never gain it then youre at your peak

gotta just get better

its very nice though it totally relieves the mental

to get to play without hurting your score

[severe helm]

are you playing assa?

[severe helm]

yeah low rated games can be harder as rogue cuz people int you

im finally at the rating where warriors start to know whta a stun dr is

had one ask me last shuffle "who do you want me to stun" I told him "no one" lol

and we won 🙂

[outer sky]

What rating is that? Because I'm 2500 and clearly am not there yet myself lol

[severe helm]

I mean in previous seasons there was no rating lol

but it happened in a 2550 lobby last night

[outer sky]

Ok so I'm close

[severe helm]

I mean I could have just gotten lucky tbh

[jaunty osprey]

It doesn’t get better btw

Demo warlocks reset stun dr when it has 5 seconds left at 2700

same with fury warriors, they just feel the need to press stormbolt in their bladestorm

because it lets them

and then binding shots from hunters cause they cant land traps otherwise

[chilly blaze]

i know this as been said 100s of times but this is crazy

[spring bough]

Snack wraps back at McDonald’s 2025. We living in the twilight zone I love it

[severe helm]

they press one of their two stuns whenever someone walks more than 5 yards away from them and they dont have charge up

or if theyre in a root

warriors MASH their stun button as soon as you root them

its hilarious

[potent tiger]

can I macro shadowmeld and stealth?

[potent pivot]

yes but it'll take pressing the macro twice to get it to work

[potent tiger]

gross

I'll just bind both

[potent pivot]

/cast Shadowmeld
/cast !Stealth```

that's just how it is

gotta drop combat with the meld before you can stealth

[spring bough]

I found one that I like better than this

[potent pivot]

?

[spring bough]

#showtooltip shadowmeld
/stopattack
/use [combat] Shadowmeld
/use [nocombat] !stealth

I would mess up meld sometimes and when I swapped to this macro it’s happened a lot less

[potent pivot]

Do you just use that as your stealth macro as well?

[spring bough]

I guess you could yeah. But I don’t I still have a separate stealth macro

[potent pivot]

It’s basically the same thing but the stop attack is good I should prolly put that in mine

[spring bough]

Found that gem on Reddit a few weeks back

[potent pivot]

I’m so accustomed to doing weird stuff

[spring bough]

Can also swap stealth for prowl

[potent pivot]

Like pressing escape before I’m about to meld

Or turning to stop my autos

The old rupture to the side trick etc

[jaunty osprey]

…. I HAD STOPATTACK IN MINE

U NEVER SAID ANYTHIN

smh

u’re a hater

[severe helm]

I have stopattack in mine too

and I have cancelaura meld

works faster in my experience

meld has a weird 0.5s where you cant stealth over it

I think thats the immunity part

but if you cancelaura you can stealth insta

this is mine

#showtooltip
/cleartarget
/stopattack
/cast shadowmeld
/cancelaura shadowmeld
/stopattack
/cast stealth
/targetlasttarget```

in pvp both ways have been reliable for me though in pve having cancelaura works a lot more often

but it does trigger the subterfuge bug as outlaw so you cant open with BtE after using a cancelaura macro otherwise BtE will go on cd even though it procs subterfuge

[jaunty osprey]

stealth insta works for me

well as outlaw it works - u just cant use btw first global

if you use second global

it’s fine

[potent pivot]

this is why some people keep meld/stealth on separate binds, like Nahj

[jaunty osprey]

known bug since DF

[potent pivot]

you can meld->stealth faster if you have them on sep binds

[severe helm]

yeah thats what I do

[jaunty osprey]

If meld stealth, u cant break stealth with BTE

[severe helm]

if you use cancelaura you can hav eit on one bind

and it does it fast

[potent pivot]

ehh

[jaunty osprey]

u can just spam the 1 macro

[potent pivot]

sounds even more jank to me but ill try it

[jaunty osprey]

it works

no delay

[severe helm]

it works very well

[jaunty osprey]

there’s only a delay because

[severe helm]

I put it on ctrl + scroll down

so it double presses it

[jaunty osprey]

Ppl are slow

[severe helm]

insta

[jaunty osprey]

at pressing the macro twice

[severe helm]

yep

[jaunty osprey]

or the same bind twice

pressing 2 diff binds is faster cause you dont need to lift

ur first finger

[severe helm]

I mean it is technically easier to hit two buttons right after each other than to hit one button twice

obv

yea

but having it bound to scroll does almost the same thing

[jaunty osprey]

I have stealth bound to every ability though

[severe helm]

LOL

that is wild

[jaunty osprey]

so it restealths me if out of combat

nah cause sometimes

combat drops randomly

[severe helm]

You have to manage subterfuge bug too much as outlaw to do that

[jaunty osprey]

like middle of combat

[severe helm]

if yous tealth while subterfuge is up

you lose adr duration

[jaunty osprey]

i get left combat

Msg

[jaunty osprey]

Ya this bug sucks

[severe helm]

outlaw is so bugged man its annoying af

[jaunty osprey]

been sjnce DF too

[severe helm]

yeeeeup

[gleaming pawn]

Technically a meld macro should cancelaura Dance too. It’s not going to be common that you’re doing it while dancing but out in the open world it has happened

[severe helm]

sure yeah vanish should too

so you dont die not being able to vanish

oh wait vanish lets you

its only stealth

[jaunty osprey]

Well all stealth macros should have cancelaura dance

[severe helm]

they fixed that a while ago

[jaunty osprey]

cause during slands or DF

it was bugged

and u couldnt stealth with dance up

[severe helm]

realz has mentioned that subterfuge is the bane of his existence

and if he was allowed to he would just delete it

Rogue def has some spaghetti fucking code going on

[jaunty osprey]

the same thing happens for MA too and improved garrote

where it doesnt refresh duration

sometimes

😦

[severe helm]

imp garrote doesnt have subterfuge bug though

[jaunty osprey]

i cry

[severe helm]

ive tested it

they got that one right

[jaunty osprey]

it does in a certain way

i have clips

[severe helm]

you can stealth over it

and it still procs

on next garrote

unlike bte going on cd

[jaunty osprey]

it isnt reproduced the same way

[severe helm]

garrote never goes on cd when used from stealth no matter how hard Ive tried to bug it out haha

[jaunty osprey]

but imp garrote literally wont be up

When i restealth

[potent pivot]

i think MA also has some fuckery

[severe helm]

all I know is garrote itself never goes on cd regardless

which is very nice

[jaunty osprey]

It does

that’s why im saying it

I have clips

[potent pivot]

i've noticed my MA buff duration being fucky

[severe helm]

hmm yeah id love to see a clip

I tried very hard to get it to

[jaunty osprey]

I’ll literally VANISH and my garrote goes on cd

have to find when I get home

[potent pivot]

did you press it too fast

or somethin

[jaunty osprey]

I cant

[gleaming pawn]

Seen it too, been vanishing at a node to garrote everyone and it goes on CD after the first

[jaunty osprey]

my vanish bind is V

Which is index finger press

garrote is alt 2

[severe helm]

hmm maybe htey broke it since they did that change to make stealth buffs start counting down only after subterfuge ends

OH

I KNOW WHAT IT IS

theres a delay now

between when you exit stealth

and when subterfuge/otehr buff sproc

its about 0.15 seconds

if you open from stealth with GS into a bte

[jaunty osprey]

so u’re saying im too good

[severe helm]

you can cause it to happen

[jaunty osprey]

LMAO jk

[severe helm]

so if you get knocked out of stelath

and garrote as youre coming out

itll be a non stealth garrote

they added this bug in TWW

[potent pivot]

i feel like i've has this happen as well ye

[severe helm]

yeah its documented in outlaw channel

that was their hacky solution to some of the subterfuge bugs i think

[jaunty osprey]

it happens a lot, especially with the new combat bug

with corrupt the blood

where u just get knocked out for no reason

or whatever it is people were saying kept rogues in combat

[severe helm]

theres so many fucking things

that keep combat

holy shit

insanely tilting

[potent pivot]

singular focus

[jaunty osprey]

reddit and forums were saying corrupt the blood

oh

is it??

[potent pivot]

yes

been a known bug since we were testing beta

[jaunty osprey]

imagine playing ptr

[potent pivot]

and i've reported it at least like 20 times

[jaunty osprey]

u can just beta test on live

:))

[potent pivot]

well beta testing gets you in non stop games with r1s

@outer sky spammed beta q's

[jaunty osprey]

i get in nonstop games with r1s 😦

GOTEM

[potent pivot]

i mean 3v3 r1s

[jaunty osprey]

YA

[outer sky]

I played a shit ton of beta

[jaunty osprey]

i was facing nonstop in 3s yday smh

kamahlen, sleepihead, etc

[potent pivot]

ok lemme rephrase

AWC contendors

[jaunty osprey]

I just realized, I didn’t transfer the WAs u gave me to my other account

[candid tide]

bruh i won vs a r1 mage 4-2 yesterday at 1800 wth

[jaunty osprey]

faced vanguards and mvq 4x yday yup

gotem

[potent pivot]

ya i remember

dogshit comp lol

ret/dh/hpal

[jaunty osprey]

sin rogue is awful into that

[potent pivot]

so cancer

[jaunty osprey]

4 bops

2 lays

Blur, sanc

[candid tide]

red dragon mount is r1 right?

[jaunty osprey]

no r1 mounts!

red dragon is season 1 DF though

[potent pivot]

you mean glad mount

r1 is just title

glad mount is just 50 wins above 2.4k in 3s

[candid tide]

ah ok still felt valid tho lol

[potent pivot]

r1 is top 0.1% of ladder or somethin idr

yeh i mean that's still dope

fosho

[candid tide]

cant wait to hit 2k+

[jaunty osprey]

Ima start playing outlaw boys

[jaunty osprey]

SOOON

[severe helm]

do it

so fun

[outer sky]

3 bops 2 bubbles. But unless they're spamming bops, the 1st one they use will be off CD before they need a 4th one

I actually don't think 2 paladins, 2 priests, or 2 shamans should ever be allowed in the same lobby

[gleaming sentinel]

Qs feel so long lately

[jaunty osprey]

4 bops because so many defensives that the ret’s comes back

[potent pivot]

another one down

[spring bough]

Should do an SOD enhancement. It’s so OP S+ tier lol

[potent pivot]

a what

[spring bough]

season of discovery enhancement shaman

they are beyond S tier. they are really good lol

[safe pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/the-fate-of-the-furious-the-fate-of-the-furious-gi-fs-dwayne-johnson-the-rock-large-truck-gif-8051444

Think it’s time for a few queues

[outer sky]

@potent pivot does enh require being good with the reticle spells?

[potent pivot]

you don't have to be as good with them compared to hunter

[outer sky]

static totem, root totem....any others?

[potent pivot]

some totems just drop at your feet

[outer sky]

yeah ik I tried ele

[potent pivot]

earthbind, capacitor

[outer sky]

oh ya cap totem too

It just seems so annoying to need to stun someone and you either have to wait for the stun to go off or CC yourself during the stun

[potent pivot]

surging totem as well

i think you mostly lasso to peel

n you've got tremor/grounding

hex, burrow

i haven't played it in pvp really, a tiny bit in SL

[outer sky]

Had to

[safe pelican]

Lmaoooooooo