pvp

[potent pivot]

and i have no qualms about doing so

[languid ravine]

oh definitely report all the win traders and bots at sight

[potent pivot]

been hearing more and more about queue syncing and win trading as the season goes on

less people queuing makes it stand out more

[molten hedge]

How do u spot wintrading in shuffle. Do two or more ppl just queue at the same time and when their queue pops they try to guess if it’s the same queue? With the long queues that seems like a ton of effort like your chances arent that great to get in the same lobby lol

[runic laurel]

You spot it by seeing someone repeatedly throw against another player. Ofc it’s not anywhere close to a guarantee but if it’s happening over and over it’s kinda improbable that it’s rng

Like most win trade reports are probably wrong and done out of frustration but if someone gets reported 100 times in a season by different players it’s prob not an accident

[molten hedge]

Is there something that makes boomies resistant to crippling poison? I swear i was chasing that mf the entire match and even as outlaw had a hard time keeping up lol

He was playing the starfall build too so everything was just instant cast it was troll

[languid ravine]

this is me with my conspiracy hat on, but If you cant ever kill anything but the healers mysteriously crap their pants against that one fresh BM hunter going 6-0 it should at least cross your mind that maaaybe

[potent pivot]

Druids clear roots and snares by shifting forms

[molten hedge]

I mean ya but he wasn’t switching everytime I was on him and I figure crippling applies rather quickly

He was going like 100 mph

[potent pivot]

They just don’t accept the queue pop unless it pops for both of them at the same time

It’s not as difficult as it sounds

[runic laurel]

Could be just dispelling himself, if you’re playing with a lock or something the boomkin is prob using it on cd

[potent pivot]

When you see a q pop for yourself and it goes 5/6 and resets multiple times, that’s usually how you know it’s a sketchy q

[molten hedge]

It was rsham hpriest bm ret and boomie. Oh duh must’ve been freedom lmao I’m fried

[molten hedge]

Happens all the time

[potent pivot]

Yep

And as a dps you don’t want to leave q and re q because you have to wait all over again. So you’re kinda forced into playing sketchy qs

[molten hedge]

It was also weird bc I would call boomie every lobby mostly or ret when boomie was on my team and the ret and bm never went boomie they just went healer or the other dps and I even pinged boomie and no one went him. Boomie went 6-0

[potent pivot]

As a healer if you see that counter reset more than twice you just re q

[proven field]

wait what, it's actually that rampant?

That happens all the time around 1800-1900

[spring bough]

Love hitting up a weak aura author that it resets and I need to reload when I zone into dungeons or PvP games and he was like “can’t help don’t PvP” 🤦‍♂️

[potent pivot]

what's the issue?

[spring bough]

It’s a weak aura that uses an addon to skin over the wow personal resource display

[potent pivot]

i think it's been an issue since they introduced shuffle. it's just harder to tell when seasons are fresh because there's a lot of ppl queuing

[spring bough]

And when I zone into places it reverts to the blizzard look and I have to reload to fix it

[potent pivot]

can you link me the wa on wago?

i can try to see if i can fix

[spring bough]

https://wago.io/n3CysNeXW

[potent pivot]

oh it's a personal frame thing?

[spring bough]

Yeah it skins over the wow personal resource display

And every time I zone into a game it reverts and I need to reload to see the skin

[potent pivot]

it might be another addon interfering with it

[spring bough]

I vaguely remember skill capped doing something with the personal resource display

[potent pivot]

it would be an addon that only loads during arena maybe

if it's only fucking up when you enter instances

[potent pivot]

it doesn't look like it's a Load setting issue

that's what's making me think it's something else that's prolly interfering

[spring bough]

Ima turn off all my addons later and see if it still does it

[potent pivot]

when i import it, it's not even working properly

but i don't have all the addons it wants

[spring bough]

Have to DL that addon package he has from the page for it to load with the skins

[potent pivot]

oh the asset folder? yeah fuck that

[spring bough]

I think it’s pretty neat. Interacts with my hekili. Getting rid of my regular rogue WA for it lol

[potent pivot]

i can't use those addons/WAs

just hate having all the shit on my screen, but i'm so used to doing my rotations it's just a waste of my screen space idk

that thing looks visually appealing ig

[proven field]

It looks very pretty but it has a lot of connective tissue so not a surprise it's randomly breaking

[potent pivot]

yeah

i wouldn't be surprised if it eats frames a bit too

[proven field]

I actually quite like making my own WAs - let's me stretch that pseudo-coding muscle a bit

[potent pivot]

yeh i mostly use WAs i make myself

but the main things i track are enemy CDs, certain CC, and important procs/stacks for rotations

[proven field]

Same; I also added a few sound effects just to let my brain take a break - Audacity procs, Opportunity, etc. Just a rhythm that wants to play in an order (like a sound of reloading a shotgun and then a sound of one firing so I put the two together)

Or dumb but fun things like if I run DW Oblit, how much is one hit doing with both weapons combined, how much is on WF proc, if something hits for other 1M show it to me etc

[potent pivot]

how do you do that?

i'm playing my fdk rn

[proven field]

Sure I'll post one when I get back home

I just like big numbers and zug zug brain enjoys it

[spring bough]

I forget which scrolling combat text I use but it does that. Always loved when it adds up hits. Like seeing how much all the kill commands combined to rather than separate on my Hunter

[potent pivot]

I think I want to swap to something like that

Just for the dopamine

[spring bough]

You can do it on details too

I updated details so it combines obliterates on my DK and such

[severe helm]

I turned numbers off except for "miss" "dodge" etc and it cleaned up my screen soooo much

[severe helm]

classic floating combat text is what I used for a while which allows you to choose to combine certain things and has tons of options to ignore dots/only show crits/only show hits above a certain amount etc

[sour coral]

So assassination is rot and dot to death, outlaw is .. sustain but not dot based and sub is burst control? do I have this righ?

[spring bough]

Since sin shares ambush with outlaw. Can we also share garrote? And make it aoe silence a passive for outlaw

[languid ravine]

sure we can do that the technology exists just add another talent on the tree and maybe we should give rogue polymorph too since frost mages dont need it anymore

[sour coral]

is that not just .. blind?

[languid ravine]

no it is a hardcast without a cooldown

OR yoooo imagine

supercharged bladestorm, buffed by blade flurry

now we re talking

[sour coral]

only thing I want for rogue is that fall damage immunity passive back

And maybe some glyphs to use outlaws gun for other specs range attack but that’s more because shadow shurikens don’t really work for me

[steel scarab]

Lol if this happened, why the fuck would anyone play Assassination in pvp again? Can sin get your CDR?

[spring bough]

Hey combat rogue had garrote at the beginning of time. Sin never had CDR as far as I know lol

[chrome schooner]

It had CDR for a long time

[languid ravine]

I was joking but imo its a better approach to make every spec insane overpowered, rather than nerfing everything to Frost DK levels

[chrome schooner]

Only, before it was only for like Adre Rush and Sprint and one other spell, don't remember which

And also, you didn't generate 7 CPs with every builder

[spring bough]

Would be cool if outlaw had a good DOT

Instead of these set bonus dots

[steel scarab]

It would be cool if Sin had Shadow Dance and if Sub had amazing sustained dps but then like, the specs would all be the same

[languid ravine]

it did have shadow dance and it wasnt cool

also kinda still does if you squint a little with 12 seconds subterfuge

[steel scarab]

It was stupid

I was there

[spring bough]

My true calling would be an outlaw brawler where I could just lay in on people and not be a CC bot lol

[steel scarab]

If my idiot brain could hit 2400 with no cooldown trackers then Assassination with Shadow Dance was an issue

[sour coral]

subterfuge w/ two charges of vanish is arguably a psuedo shadowdance

[steel scarab]

Well, don't say that, because I haven't hit 2400 this season yet

Subterfuge feels much better to play than Dance did though. Probably because, above 2200, it wasn't particularly fun every game playing against braindead humans running scrips that played air horn sounds notifying them to CC me every time I pressed Dance

[proven field]

would it mess with gouge though

[spring bough]

Most definitely lmao

[sour coral]

that reminds me how does Sin deal with Gouge and dots?

[languid ravine]

use blind to remove them

[sour coral]

ah

[steel scarab]

Or, in edge cases, treat gouge as an interrupt

[tacit crane]

Doesn't gouge remove dots?

[steel scarab]

No. It does not.

And if Gouge didn't exist, would you spec into an early-tree talent called "Second Kick" that said, "Interrupt your target's cast. You must be in front of the target. Costs 40 energy. Generates 1 combo point. 30 second cd"?

Because I would

[sour coral]

Ugh I need all my gear to be vers mastery

I wasnt expecting to like sub as much as I do

[languid ravine]

I joined a random guild so I wouldnt get permanently invitespammed during arenas

and now I hear "X has joined guild sound" every 5 seconds

LMAO

[potent pivot]

pretty sure you can turn off guild invites or use an addon to block them

[languid ravine]

yeah but too lazy

maybe after I fix my UI which has been bugging me for the last three years

[potent pivot]

i just made my own guild and invited all my alts

[languid ravine]

thats even more effort lol

but nice idea lets me make a tabard too

[potent pivot]

well i wanted my own guild bank when i first made it

that's the main reason

[glass hazel]

dont get how rating in blitz works i'm on 1.5k cr with 2k mmr got 22 points on 1.9k rbg

shouldnt you get more if your cr way less than mmr?

[potent pivot]

not in blitz, no

outside of placements the max you can get is like 24cr per win or something

[glass hazel]

😦 thats sad ok thanks

[severe helm]

my buddy uses his guild for this and to temporarily invite people for crafting orders cross server haha

[severe helm]

"should" yes, but you do not sadly

the grind is longggg

but I guess in a way it does make the cr feel very safe when you get up there cuz it tends to move very slowly

both down and up

the worst thing though is if you ever dc which happened to my buddy last night. 200 cr gone which is 8 wins so probably 10 hours of queue + game time

very unfort

[safe pelican]

Dont do it stay in shuffle if your solo objective is rating lol If i could go back in time to the moment i queued my first bgb id stop myself and stay in shuffle XD this Cr system is bonkers but i guess i feel the " safe " thing just gotta get up there first

I dc'd twice in blitz took a week to get back you dc in shuffle it almost works in your fvor if you 6-0 the next lobby lil hidden trick lol

[severe helm]

I mean blitz is slower but the cr is definitely more inflated

[sour coral]

is gloomblade evr used?

I dont know what i'd switch for it but i like the ability

[languid ravine]

Remember the BfA quest where you move a Crab left and right on lanes?
Yeah about that you can only move back- and forwards now meaning you re stuck on one lane xd

[sour coral]

I could drop planned execution maybe for it

[outer sky]

@spring bough do you ever play Float as Outlaw? Idk it seems kinda good into double melee comps

[spring bough]

I played it most of the season. Just been using sting lately to switch it up. Def get more CDR using it with supercharger

[vocal ginkgo]

Damn I switched from fatebound to deathstalker and I am hitting HARD

[candid tide]

When u vanish with assa will u get the 6 sec free garrote spam again?

Or subterfuge only

[vocal ginkgo]

I am pretty sure I get it again but you made me doubt 🤣

Will have to test

Rekt this healer with the deathstalker build

[candid tide]

Dh came in nicely for aoe shiv

[vocal ginkgo]

It’s like they didn’t know how sin rogue works and just grouped up for me 😭

[molten hedge]

It’s like 11 or 12 seconds now lmao. the 6 seconds is for cheaping and ambushing for marks mostly. You can also garrote silence if you need but ya they buffed it recently for sin rogue a while ago

[candid tide]

Wtf 12 sec is nuts

Can def take ur time bleeding the gang up with that

[molten hedge]

Yeah so you can control the game much more during those windows.

Yeah and also silencing. Like don’t spam garrote over and over. You can wait 2-3 seconds before silencing again it can rlly put the healer/dps behind that way since silence DRs

And if you play master assassin with kingsbane, that too lasts 12 seconds so if you kidney bomb and vanish somewhere in there then kingsbane it has a higher chance to crit along with any envenoms

[candid tide]

Thats massive might skip feral and play assa instead with this , good stuff

[molten hedge]

I mean feral still considered better but if you were on the fence and like rog then ya why not

[vocal ginkgo]

Makes sense!

Today I played both my feral and my sin rogue

Both fully geared and damn the rogue felt NICE

Was doing more dmg on my feral but felt like I was controlling matches better on my rogue

Did some 3s with my buddies, aff lock and disc priest

Won like 60%ish it was fun

[molten hedge]

Yeah Assa is strong rn. I’m almost 2.3k shuffle on assa but barely 2k on sub and outlaw. But I do have 5 times the games /played on Assa so that’s prob why 😅

[languid ravine]

NOPE its definitely a skill issue!

[wanton breach]

pvp as caster is rough

every lobby is me +3 braindead melee

unholy dk whose zombies have more brain

[languid ravine]

shiet my plan is ruined, you cant use Zandalari Regenerate during Turtle aspect

[tender ember]

u kinda shouldnt more dmg as feeral than assa

[wanton breach]

just that you are unable to use the ability or that it gets broken by dots?

[languid ravine]

cannot use it at all

[vocal ginkgo]

Yeah that’s probably because I know my feral rotation better, still learning rogue

[sour coral]

so I dont make a mistake the algari competitors signets arent unique right

[outer sky]

Does Blizzard not know what a spider is? lol

[sour coral]

do you have arachiphobia mode on?

[outer sky]

idk what that is

[molten hedge]

It’s a setting that changes spiders of any kind to something else

Go in options and search arachnophobia

[potent pivot]

Crafted rings are not unique no

[sour coral]

nice. I will be making those asap with um.

Lens thing

Wait.. can I make it shadow? I need to check now

Onyx Gems: Shadow Damage ooo

[potent pivot]

It doesn’t matter

Talents don’t make them do more damage

[sour coral]

wouldnt work with dark brew?

[potent pivot]

No

[sour coral]

aww

[outer sky]

Girs: UGHHHH I can't believe she's wearing the same dress as me!!

Boys:

[jaunty osprey]

love the mog

[vocal surge]

https://tenor.com/view/crabs-rave-crab-crab-rave-monstercat-gif-12505997

[jaunty osprey]

@potent pivot i did a bunch of my glad wins with the standard spec

and this shit is ass

so many times if i ran my FI build

i wouldve killed

[potent pivot]

standard build has way less control over the win condition

[safe pelican]

Pirate time

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-26560971

[severe helm]

hell yeah

just got a nice little win on outlaw 😉

top of the ladder leggo

outlaw is fun in bgb

also lowkey the sleight of hand GSW SC build feels amazing actually

PS damage is higher on average than BtE which is wild

[inner tartan]

third rogue is a killer name

[potent pivot]

@jaunty osprey you made your 2nd acc under the same bnet ye? were you able to use recruit a friend on it or didn’t bother

I think I’m gonna prep another acc for next season at some point but I think we can RAF our own 2nd accounts and get discounts n shit

[outer sky]

I don't get it. You don't have on demand envenoms. Are you just sitting on combo points waiting for a kill window?

[safe pelican]

no way that works on the same bnet tht would be genius if so

[safe pelican]

yoooo i like this build

https://tenor.com/view/raising-canes-canes-napkins-canes-napkin-thief-gif-25061948

[severe helm]

it feels great

PS hits for like 450k average

and you can spam SC without even thinkinga bout it

cuz you dont have to care about cto procs

with sleight of hand your chance of two buffs is 35%

so its pretty high

[severe helm]

you cant if its under the same bnet

I tried haha

[safe pelican]

SC?

supercharger?

[severe helm]

ye

[safe pelican]

Figured but shit im gunna roll off CD anyways lmao

https://tenor.com/view/man-send-it-gif-8474467

Me rolling everytime my WA goes off

[severe helm]

does your wa tell you to do that? Most WAs online follow the pve priorities

or is this a pvp specific one

[safe pelican]

PVP specific i build my own most of the time

trying to find the stand alone arena sap macro so i can make a WA for when its safe to KS and when its not

[potent pivot]

I found a post that explains how to do it

[severe helm]

oh shit share?

thats actually huge if true

[severe helm]

does KS break a nearby sap? Thought it wont as long as you dont have bladeflurry up

[potent pivot]

Great post. I've done this many times. One Battle.net account and a second game account are all you need to recruit yourself over and over and get the rewards. You even get free gametime with RAF (Blizzard link).

Steps to follow on your main account:

Login to Wow, open friends list and click Recruit A Friend tab.
Click Recruitment, click Generate Link then click Copy Link.
Paste the link into your web browser.
Choose the second game account that you want the link to apply to. Or you can click Create a new game account if you haven't created a second game account yet.
Click Accept your invitation.
Done! You now have RAF on two game accounts inside your one Battle.net account. Don't forget to setup a subscription on the second account to qualify for the rewards. You can cancel the subscription after you have your rewards if you like but don't forget that second accounts with RAF will gift your main account with one month of free game time every 3 months - for as long as your second account remains subbed.
To see what rewards you will get and when, open your friends list, click Recruit a Friend tab and click View All Rewards.
Notes

If you want to get your rewards faster and have plenty of money to spend, paste the same recruitment link into your web browser multiple times (one link can be used up to 4 times in total). So if you use the link 3 times on 3 new game accounts, when it comes to getting your first month of rewards, you will get 3 months worth of rewards instead of 1. Each new game account will require a subscription to earn rewards, of course.

I think this is how a lot of people got themselves the old RAF mounts

I’m gonna try it myself at some point

[potent pivot]

^

[potent pivot]

You still have more ST burst than you would have otherwise

And you really don’t trade off that much overall damage for it

[winter seal]

How come people don’t really play kb in solo shuffle

[outer sky]

do we have a season end date yet?

[gleaming pawn]

Not official yet

[outer sky]

Are we supposed to drop Tea for FI like Ivan does?

[outer sky]

speculating Jan?

[gleaming pawn]

Yeah based on the roadmap

[outer sky]

According to Murlok very few people are playing it. If it was that good wouldn't more people have swapped to it? Like with outlaw its like a 50/50 split between that and vigor

and vigor seems like a much bigger sacrifice than alacrity+deeper strat

[potent pivot]

You can but don’t have to

[potent pivot]

It adds some extra difficulty to the spec

[outer sky]

How? Ivan says he plays exactly the same

[potent pivot]

I mean it can’t be exactly the same

It’s the same but you cast kb and a bit more envenoms

[outer sky]

you don't bleed when you dont need to refresh bleeds which means you'd envenom with those combo points anyway. Even with the supercharger build you wouldn't envenom if you need to refresh bleeds unless you kill with that envenom but that would be the same with the standard build. So how are you casting more envenoms?

Interestingly my intuition (untested) tells me SBS would be even better with the supercharger build because with full spikes out you're getting 4 combo points per rupture which substantially shortens the time it takes to build an envenom

[potent pivot]

have you even given it a shot man

i swear this is like the 5th time we've discussed it

[outer sky]

Well that's what we do in this discord idk

I'll try it in this next SS

[potent pivot]

i've had things go way better for me since swapping to it

[severe helm]

oh sick im def trying this

[outer sky]

Holy shit I really am the 3rd rogue!

[fallen scaffold]

;hey guys, assa main here - been gone for 2 weeks. anything i need to know about?>

[potent pivot]

nope, nothing's changed really

some buffs and a couple nerfs to other classes

[fallen scaffold]

same ol meta p much?

what got nerfed

[potent pivot]

check out the tuning post

https://www.wowhead.com/news/upcoming-class-tuning-incoming-enhancement-shaman-and-prot-paladin-nerfs-351453

[fallen scaffold]

fosho

yo wtf

outlaw is HEAVILY represented compared to 2 weeks ago

[potent pivot]

not really

[fallen scaffold]

maybe it was 3 weeks ago then

but it was def like 21st spec

in ss

[potent pivot]

https://drustvar.com/flavor-of-the-month

it hasn't changed that much in the past month

[candid tide]

spike in fdk and ww

[vocal surge]

If it's for non-rated content, I'd agree but for Rated Content, nope

[jaunty osprey]

Didnt bother, not sure if you’re able to RAF under same bnet - are you able to?

[potent pivot]

i think you can, but i think you have to do it before you create the 2nd wow account

[potent pivot]

#pvp message
i quoted someone explaining how to do it here

[jaunty osprey]

Ya, I’ve been trying it back and forth with SBS recently

But Supercharger definitely plays better to MY PERSONAL LIKING.

[jaunty osprey]

Rip to me, couldve been earning rewards

[cosmic seal]

heya
for thug cleave, is outlaw better than assa ?

[spring bough]

Got my fury geared up and did my first solo. Fury feels pretty wicked lol

[long shore]

For BG Blitz do you guys prefer playing Trickster or Deathstalker ?

[molten hedge]

I noticed when I watch Whaazz play he ccs a lot but when he hooks and stuns a lot of times he does like a little dam before stepping to next target. Is that to keep momentum and farm CDR back?

[potent pivot]

you always want to be pressing your dps abilities when possible

he's probably taking a couple GCDs to think out his next move

[molten hedge]

Yea sometimes my dmg is on pint or my cc. Challenging to do both rly well

[long shore]

Any recommendations for Trickster or Deathstalker for BG Blitz from the pros here ?

[potent pivot]

won't matter much in BGs

whichever

[winter seal]

why do people not run kb in arenas?

[potent pivot]

it's nerfed in pvp

you can still run it, some people do

[severe helm]

It's gotten more popular in blitz the past few weeks

The cutoff was really low for title so bunch of rogues rerolled to try for it

[potent pivot]

i was only thinking of shuffle

[severe helm]

Yeah def not popular in shuffle

[potent pivot]

it's gone up a little in shuffle

but not a lot at all yeah

[severe helm]

Just not a popular spec in general

[winter seal]

maybe better than ic in 2's?

[potent pivot]

can be yeah

[proven field]

This is fascinating - lots of people trying outlaw and then realizing it’s not easy

[potent pivot]

probably just realizing it isn't as good as it looked in AWC

high level 3s is a lot different from shuffle

[proven field]

Absolutely - or ran into the few outlaws who have stuck with it and are just really good

It is super fun though - hope some of them stick with it

[severe helm]

loooool true

people always worry about outlaw being OP but even when its like S+++ tier, its still insanely unpopular

[bleak dagger]

I want to play outlaw but it’s definitely going to take time to learn rogue on atleast sin before coming comfortable one of highest skill cap specs in game

[proven field]

I actually think it more closely aligns to Surv on playstyle and Devo on movement

or at least scratches the same movement itches Devo does

ah shit, the conq on-use is crit? that is a bummer

[potent pivot]

always has been

[proven field]

yeah i just forgot and am now re-disappointed

[severe helm]

would you rather it was haste?

[proven field]

https://tenor.com/view/i-am-gonna-say-yes-david-walliams-britains-got-talent-its-a-yes-for-me-absolutely-yes-gif-25611590

I can't keep this meme mastery spec rolling with 0% haste, need at least 5%

[proven field]

Fatebound just so damn strong in bgb, it feels so slow dps-wise but goddamn are you effective on objective maps

I do wish they opened up the climb to like 1800 vs 1400; went 5-1 this week and have climbed from 1600 to 1676

[severe helm]

I bet your mmr went up a ton though at least

if you get your mmr up all you need to do is 50/50 and you will eventually get your cr up there

[wraith tangle]

Dunno, I do 1-2m dmg during its duration (depends on uptime on the target). Not bad at all I´d say.

[sour coral]

i have found a use for all my bloody tokens now

theres a dragonflight vendor with consumables for wpvp shenanigans

[potent pivot]

make sure they don't say "usable in the dragon isles"
there's also wpvp items for sale in Dornogal that work in TWW zones

[sour coral]

Im gonna check

[candid tide]

fk i hate lower rating rdruids

[spring bough]

To level a char on classic anniversary or to not that is the question of the day lol

[tender ember]

BTW if u hoover ur rank on bgb ending table u see mmr changes, if some1 didnt know lmao

[molten hedge]

Has anyone farmed venthyr renown in Revendreth (Shadowlands) for the sick back pieces? They’re like daggers. Whaazz is one person I’ve seen with them

[potent pivot]

the plain red ones are pretty easy to get if you played SL at all

search up some anima farming methods on youtube if you didn't

[molten hedge]

Ya I didn’t. Is that the one that is renown 34? There are some around 80 too

I had to do the entire SL questline to unlock the covenant thing. Was a pain in the ass

[potent pivot]

none of the back pieces come solely from renown

[brisk haven]

do we have classic version of this, in sense not on this site just overall how to play pvp step by step? https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pvp-rotation-and-playstyle

[potent pivot]

gotta use anima/grateful offerings etc

[molten hedge]

Yeah I see anima but also you need grateful offerings. I’ll try finding a guide but idk if things have changed

[potent pivot]

check the pins in #classic-discussion for links to a couple classic discords

[potent pivot]

nothing's changed

but

if you never did a campaign skip during SL you have to do the entire campaign

and now i think the campaign skip is broken for alts too so it has to be done on every character you want to use for SL content until they fix it

[brisk haven]

i dont see any pins in ⁠#classic-discussion

[potent pivot]

there's multiple pins in there

find this button while you're looking at the channel

[safe pelican]

Me my boiiiii on our way up the ladder

😤

[brisk haven]

i dont find any guide just some discord

[potent pivot]

Ye that’s what I said

There’s links to classic discords pinned in that channel

There isn’t much classic discussion in this server outside of that channel, so we usually direct people to the classic servers

I think you can also google Simonize’s discord server I think a decent amount of ppl use his server too

[languid ravine]

how was everyones queues tonight? I think I played like 6 lobbies on my frost mage tonight and they were all shitassgarbage

trash heals, trash dps, huge skill gaps and huge mmr ranges and like 25% fresh characters

[halcyon timber]

Fuckin horrible because people want to sit around whining instead of getting their heads out of their ass and doing the right thing

Just unga bunga and ignore all objectives or timings. Not the devs fault, its the fuckin shit lords who do it

[languid ravine]

I know what the right thing is

uninstalling the fucking game

[languid ravine]

dude I played ONE blitz today and there was a Feral druid whining for 10 minutes straight I kid you not

[safe pelican]

Blitz chat is so toxic on the losing team

It’s crazy

[halcyon timber]

Tired of being calm and im tired of god damn being cool

Tired of god damn simple brained fucks doing simple monkey shit to win and cannot do anything remotely intelligent to win

Just lost 56 god damn rating because ragnaros fucks want to mc fuck around arguing and breaking blinds and doing ape shit

[safe pelican]

In queue now boyz but im manifesting good energy and great teammates let’s go 🤝💯

[severe helm]

Yeeeeep

So many people getting bans

I got banned from "player reports" but ended up getting it overturned

I knew I hadn't said anything

Just people getting salty

[safe pelican]

Well just experienced this for my first match on deep wind gorge

[halcyon timber]

Yeah its been going on all night. Shuffle / blitz

[stoic spruce]

Shout out to that assa rogue I cleansed the bleeds with my blind

Sorry (I'm not sorry)

Won't happen again (it will happen again)

[safe pelican]

2nd game had a competent team with a good leader eots won 1500 to 124 lmao

[safe pelican]

theres just no in between just learned a good eots strat i try to take notes from the good leaders that are on alts that make the game a breeze

eots is always a shit show

[halcyon timber]

People just don’t think at all man

Common sense is gone same with critical thinking.

[languid ravine]

I mean you either have a good zerg team and go mid, or you dont and split 2 bases what else can you even do

[safe pelican]

yea im at the point now where i just assess the team on spawn and pitch our best win strat and i let the wow gods take the wheel on the rest

had an assa rogue pull up to DR to try and solo cap on me .. but what he didnt know is that I farmed max SC stacks already and im about to full send KS after my BTE spam GG no re

[languid ravine]

I always cringe when I see assa rogue in blitz with 25mil damage at the end because they are afk doing "objectives"

like bitch I do 75m after 1 minute of zerg

[waxen meteor]

It’s kinda yes and no situation, sin is super powerful at back lane of gangbang

But still a rogue can do a lot of objectives better than most specs

But personally I never sit though, be aggressively offending bases is better

[halcyon timber]

Yeah would much rather go around terrorizing shit than sitting around kicking dirt while the team unga bunga's at water works doing f all for 3-4 min tab targeting

The rotating nodes was a good idea by the devs. I do wish they incorporated that into random bgs so people would be more cognoscente about that when moving into rated

[pine zodiac]

One of the reasons I just swapped over to rogue from a hunter. (Finished leveling last night)
Got tired of having to base sit on my hunter while the team does nothing.

[halcyon timber]

Yeah that's uncool to park a class there

People have these Wotlk nonsense brainlet ideas that have trickled down from their grandpappy

[stoic spruce]

When your rtb rolls are so with the shits that you can't help but team fight

[pine zodiac]

Grinding the random bgs to get my honor gear before jumping into BGB though is slowly draining me but using it as the testing grounds to figure out which spec I wana play.

[halcyon timber]

big special delivery F U to the people who do X/16 and have to requeue several times. Not sure if they are seriously just missing it or trying to queue sync with the other hobos in groups.

[safe pelican]

this

[pine zodiac]

Ruled out Outlaw really quick. Still like 60/40 on Ass/Sub

[halcyon timber]

yeah wise to do, bloody tokens are a solid asset too and you can transfer currencies to your character to make that quicker my man

[safe pelican]

its what took me so long to get good at bgs just didint understand what " spinning " meant until after 100 games XD

[halcyon timber]

I sincerely hope you are having fun

Denying captures is a great thing, it's just the meat head apes wearing plate don't get it

if it is no smash smash, no understand

Kot mogu kids are the worst for sure though

[pine zodiac]

Its different for sure. On base capping maps Im feeling ok. Any BG that is just a big giant zug zug fest I feel so worthless on though.

[safe pelican]

I go into that map ANTICIPATING. that i will lose rating and ill just make it up next match

that and deephaul are maps i have the worst win ratio on

[pine zodiac]

Try and get on the healer only to get dog piled by their whole team. So just been sitting in stealth waiting them to misplay and abuse them.

[halcyon timber]

it's irritating more than the irs

taxes are theft btw

Also fuck the people who want to sit around having lunch break and a smoke talking shit instead of getting to work and pushing the team forward

[waxen meteor]

That’s so real

Sitting at base sometimes can be so boring

Especially at lower mmr

You can have way much bigger impact

Especially when sitting at base, when the other side tried to steal and found out he lost 1on1 badly

9 out of 10 times they never come again on whole game lol

Or they come back with 2-3 people

[jaunty osprey]

yawnnnn

25 more glad wins

for the worst mount in-game

[waxen meteor]

lol alt at 2400mmr blitz, Battle for Gilneas, sap - trinket - blind - cap, worked twice lol

and single handly won the game in like 4 mins when main group lost in mid pff

[pine zodiac]

Man rogue feels so dam stressful to play.

[halcyon timber]

It is when people eff up a lot and make you use far more stuff than you needed to ( save someone or make a window). If team mates don't recognize that, it makes your life far harder.

[pine zodiac]

ATM my main issue is when Iv gotta get in on the team fights in BGB. Feel so squishy. Starting to feel like Im better off just sitting in stealth in the teamfight and just wait for a good moment to jump onto the healer rather then just opening on them asap and hoping that my team helps kill them.

[halcyon timber]

Just be disruptive and flow with things and feint often

feint is off the gcd now (dunno why it was but still thankful for it)

[waxen meteor]

what is bgb

[pine zodiac]

Battleground Blitz

[waxen meteor]

well as a rogue, your primary role is still on solo tasks

in team fight, i don't think we have too much stress survival

you are not a warrior

your goal is not to stay at front line and be connected to enemy single target as long as you can

there is a fundemental difference there

for sin, when you are in group fight, try to do a couple of stuns at front line, aoe garrot rupture then disturb backline mainly

we can aoe silient, multiple stun, spread bleed without exposing ourselves too long

[severe helm]

rogue has a lot of kill pressure in team fight

[severe helm]

yeah sitting is insanely stressful as rogue

the rogue 1v1 to get a cap makes your heartbeat looooud haha

[inner tartan]

i play outlaw and team fight i do well : )

[safe pelican]

Bro how you get up there that fast

You were just in my lobbies lmao nahhh ain’t no way you gotta be cappin

[safe pelican]

I need to come up with a game changing strategy for temple of kot and deephaul ravine

[waxen meteor]

i had a few winning steak then somehow i am there haha

Alt blitz cr is still like 1700 or sth though

[bleak dagger]

Blitz is fried you can be 1600cr at 2600 mmr, they finally fixed placements where you’re actually gaining on streaks

[candid tide]

this game has been implemented with so much QOL so that braindead button mashers can have a chance of winning

[spring bough]

Another day and some more classic questing

[hidden dome]

I was at 33% winrate before 1.4, due to actual griefers and afklers each game. And then won 100% of my games past 1.4 and ended with a postive winrate

low rating really is hell in Blitz

[candid tide]

u can get a bit more cooperation starting 1500

[dark stump]

maybe i should try blitz

which mod is easier to get to 1k8?

[potent pivot]

shuffle is prolly the quickest

blitz prolly easier but takes a lot longer

[dark stump]

sooo am i in the wrong or is it my fault when i lose cause my healer keep getting stun/ los with me when i interrupt and stun half of the enemy ?

i don't know what i'am doing wrong at some point

[severe helm]

Same but sometimes you gotta sit for the team haha

[severe helm]

Temple as outlaw is amazing you just abuse grapple all game

I think that's one of outlaws best maps

[potent pivot]

if you are the one that runs out of your healer's LOS then yes that's your fault

[dark stump]

when i saw i did los i tried to get back to him but he was running away

[potent pivot]

you should always try to stay in your healer's LOS especially if they're falling behind on healing

[dark stump]

(he was hpal)

[severe helm]

He's slower than you

[dark stump]

i tried to go los from the enemy hunt

[dark stump]

and the horse is faster than me xD

[severe helm]

Nah

Rogue is way faster

[potent pivot]

if your healer is CCed you have to use your own defensives

depends on what CC they're sitting in or if they have trinket etc

[dark stump]

at least i won 4/6

[potent pivot]

shadow stepping your healer can help get away

[dark stump]

biggest problem is getting against feral sham and priest

worst cc

[potent pivot]

just depends on positioning and what your vs

[dark stump]

oh ok

[potent pivot]

do you have your addons n shit set up

[dark stump]

oh btw was with a bm hunt is it normal he deal a higher burst than mm ? xD (srry for my english)

[potent pivot]

bm is mostly sustain damage

mm is just kinda bad right now since nerfs

[dark stump]

he bursted the hp in like 7sec

hpal*

[safe pelican]

Same bro i agree with you i grapple to the orbs but my teams are always stupid they don’t want to prioritize grabbing an orb until we are losing

Happens 60% of the time I’m undefeated on arathi basin though that’s my map

https://tenor.com/view/fast-car-gif-22098603

Me on the way to gold mines as outlaw when the Arathi Basin gates open

[severe helm]

That's just how blitz is you do have to rely on your team a lot

Yeah fast capping mines or stop capping on eots are big

But I've had my team throw still even after stop capping eots it's kinda wild

Gilneas is another fast cap you can do as outlaw

It's been fun climbing as outlaw but as of late I'm starting to get some hate for it haha

[dark stump]

does the evoker have a spell that make people not playing ?

[potent pivot]

what

[safe pelican]

Yea i hate that part about bgb sitting in queue for 15-20 mins for you to turn your best and your team just sell you for dirt cheap

[dark stump]

like just literraly staying afk

[severe helm]

No lol they chose to do that

He could have dced fhem

Oh wait

He xoes

Acrually

It's called time something

It freezes him

[potent pivot]

mewo forgot how to spell today

[safe pelican]

Same to this and I think Gilneas is best rogue make way to much fun there for rogues especially outlaw can get between nodes in seconds

[severe helm]

He can't take damage

[severe helm]

On mobile hahaha

[dark stump]

xD

[potent pivot]

time dilation

[severe helm]

What's that pvp talent called

[potent pivot]

?

[severe helm]

No

Theres another that actually pauses everything

[dark stump]

take ur time i'am in a ss so i'm not directly seeing the message xD

[severe helm]

One sec lemme find it

[potent pivot]

time stop

[severe helm]

Yeeee that one

[dark stump]

if he was a dps maybe

but how the hell am i supposed to see it coming

[severe helm]

its a buff/debuff on him

[dark stump]

even a hit in the balls don't hurt that much

[severe helm]

is you have the "bigdebuffs" addon itll show it

[pliant smelt]

Guys is there an "official" bis for sub rogue? im having so much trouble to see if I should go full mastery crafted, or versa conquest, even saw some people go with blood tokens gear...

[dark stump]

at least it was a drasw

[potent pivot]

check murlok.io

[dark stump]

murlok show the bis

[severe helm]

all the sub rogues I know pretty much craft every piece except for 2pc set

[dark stump]

but some don't play bis since they are lazy to farm bloody token or craft

[severe helm]

and they play token cloak

cuz it has more mastery than vers

[potent pivot]

BT gear is just to fill out slots until you get full conq/crafted gear

even the BT cloak barely has more mast than crafted, it's better to just use crafted for the main stat

[pliant smelt]

So craft everything but chest/shoulders?

[safe pelican]

Won’t Conq gear have more or the same mastery since it scales higher in I level i mean unless it’s a substantial amount of mastery stat diff between the two pieces

[potent pivot]

not quite no

[severe helm]

looks like more people wear legs

shoulders + legs

for tier

[potent pivot]

regular conq gear has much more vers than other stats

[severe helm]

yeah crafted gear is 50/50 split

[potent pivot]

crafted gear is the same ilvl as conq gear but with less vers and more X stat

[severe helm]

conq gear is like 30/70 usually

[dark stump]

depend on the stat some need this stat or this and coq gear /set gear have already predefined stat

if i'm not wrong

[languid ravine]

Holy CoW! did they buff DH? I m doing like 2% more dps than before, crazy

[candid tide]

for shuffle cq gear might be the go to, but everybody loves more dmg

[dark stump]

can someone explain who play monk tell what's that rushing wind kick is ?

[languid ravine]

nevermind I m not doing any dps on my DH COZ I M DEAD in 2 globals

[candid tide]

its either black out kick

or strike of the windlord

[severe helm]

its the MW kick

[candid tide]

ah its mw cool

[severe helm]

mistweavers have legs too

[dark stump]

and they are a bunch of coward cause they aim at the ball

[severe helm]

lolol

kick does 300% extra damage if you hit the balls

[dark stump]

yeah don't know where the 1m come from cause i was alone near him

[potent pivot]

it probably hits high on 1 target

because it splits damage when it hits other targets

[dark stump]

oooh

[potent pivot]

they probably lined it up with another buff too

because it's a 10sec CD kick, there's no way they hit 1m every 10sec without another buff

[pliant smelt]

Just so Im clear:
Crafted helm
Crafted amulet
Set shoulders
Blood tokens back
Crafted chest
Crafted wrists
Crafted hands
Crafted belt
Set pants
Crafted boots
2 crafted rings
Crafted daggers

Right?

[dark stump]

at this point it would be better to craft the gear urself xD

does someone have any idea of how much is the upgrade from conq set to bis ?

[potent pivot]

whatever murlok.io shows man. i wouldn't call BT cloak "bis" but sure

[severe helm]

yeah this is what im seeing on murlok except most of them just run crafted cloak

I just know a few friends who "swear" by token cloak

its <0.1% difference haha

[candid tide]

the people who still wears bt off pieces are either to lazy to get better or dont wanna spend cq yet

[dark stump]

is it bloody ?

[severe helm]

yeah that one

[pliant smelt]

Yeah

[severe helm]

looks like that is what most people wear

so go for it

[potent pivot]

it's less than 100 mastery when pvp scaled iirc, but you lose agi

[severe helm]

Yeah I mean either way its not gona make a difference

one is easier to get so might as well get token cloak temporarily while you conq out all your other pieces

[potent pivot]

yeah i mean crafted daggers and cloak would be the very last things to do

[molten hedge]

do you have any tips on climbing shuffle as outlaw? @potent pivot I think a lot of it is my damage rotation sometimes I do it rly well and others I fudge it lol. Feel like having good uptime to get vanishes back is the key so I can cc more

[dark stump]

how much gold in average to craft all bis? (i buy all the component)

[potent pivot]

anywhere from 30-50k if not more

for crafted gear mats/gems/enchants/etc

[dark stump]

funny i have 50k

[severe helm]

is there a specific map you have trouble with?

oh sorry you said shuffle

lol

[potent pivot]

i rarely bother playing outlaw in shuffle especially this season man

[dark stump]

any tips to up in ss with assa ? like do i need macro or bis ?

[potent pivot]

i mostly play sin in shuffle, a mix of all 3 specs in 3s

i've been too busy playing other classes this season

[molten hedge]

Why’s that? Just curious 🙂

[potent pivot]

because outlaw isn't that great imo

[dark stump]

hard for nothing

highest apm class

with arcane mage

[molten hedge]

I’m practicing bc my friend wants to do 3s. Was just wondering. He plays mage and boomie

[dark stump]

hmmm

[potent pivot]

you need some focus macros for certain abilities, bis gear doesn't matter that much but does help

[severe helm]

whaaaaat

[dark stump]

ur playstyle is more burst or consistent damage?

[severe helm]

I thought it was the best of the 3 specs rn in arena

[potent pivot]

in shuffle nah

[severe helm]

it has similar cutoffs to assa

[dark stump]

the hard thing is when i want to stun i use the "tab" button to target until i have the healer but find it hard when there's summon

[severe helm]

sub seems to be the worst in shuffle

[potent pivot]

i play it in real 3s sure

but idc for it in shuffle

[dark stump]

is there a way to only target enemy char?

[severe helm]

outlaw is just a lil bit more painful in shuffle ig

cuz people int your stun drs a lot

[potent pivot]

it's overhyped by whaazz followers

[severe helm]

theres a setting

so that tab only cycles through players

and not totems or pets

[dark stump]

but is it a good thing to do ?

[severe helm]

actually its just another keybind

some people use it

[potent pivot]

you should use arena1/2/3 targeting

[severe helm]

I dont like it personally

[severe helm]

yeah this

[dark stump]

./target [@arena1] is it correct?

[potent pivot]

there's also just an in game setting to keybind it

you don't have to macro it

either way is fine

[dark stump]

pretty lucky xD

[dark stump]

oh ok thx

[potent pivot]

get used to using focus and focus macros

focus step, focus kick, focus blind, etc

[molten hedge]

Yeah I hate arena 123 for everything I’m with you. I use target 123 and focus macros

[potent pivot]

i have blind1/2/3 but i use regular/focus blind more

[candid tide]

kick a123 might be useful at times if just need to get it off fast on a sheep or some

[severe helm]

I have 1/2/3 + focus of kick,step,blind,cheapshot,sap,kidney,gouge,disarm lolol

[dark stump]

i used to do it in df but not anymore

[candid tide]

but more than that and ur brain might get fried

[severe helm]

I essentially use my naga mouse and I use shift mod to mean arena 1, alt = arena 2, and ctrl = arena 3, then all the buttons on my mouse are just different ccs that follow those mods

makes it super easy to do the same on other specs too

nomod is focus

[molten hedge]

I just realized I’m fried. My target 123 is mouse wheel up, down, etc. All my focus macros are shift + spell. But the problem is my focus 123 macros are like control mouse wheel up, down, etc. I need to make my focus targeting shift instead of control so I can easily target and use focus binds without having to change my modifier.

[candid tide]

from my exp the only tiny issue with putting focus or targeting on mousewheel is that ud lose a bit of control over movements cause of the two fingers u need constantly on right and left mouse button

[potent pivot]

just depends

some people rarely use left click at all

[candid tide]

yeah then hey probably play W for forwarding

[potent pivot]

mhm

[languid ravine]

Here's me playing DH 400 rating below my rogue, because its so much fun isnt WoW fun

my reward for sitting in queue 35mins straight

straight jacket

[lost sable]

idk if its gear or if i finally understand how to play outlaw, but its finally starting to work out properly

and its hella fun

[bleak dagger]

I like only using focus macros on rogue so far, very used to my targeting - not tab and only players.

Anyways, some tips for climbing on sin? Hovering around 2k-2.1 , not using KB or super charge (standard bleed build)

[severe helm]

I use it for totems

I dont think theres any good way to target totems without clicking them

[potent pivot]

ye i mainly meant for movement, but i think you can right click totems too can't you

[severe helm]

yeah

I know some pvpers who move using left mb + right mb

and dont have W bound

lol

[potent pivot]

ye some people do that

idk why

[safe pelican]

lol everyone plays this game so weird

Too many fucking keybinds

[severe helm]

more binds more better

[candid tide]

w is just sucha good spammable bind for backstab/ss imo

and since rogue binding alr covers ur whole keyboard why waste it on movement

shaman is even worst

[safe pelican]

this build is great idk why but I feel like the bte's on this build hit way harder but i do feel i get less ace procs with this buikd

but if i get 3 or more in a row i can usually kill if they are out of major cds

[severe helm]

the gsw, sleight, SC build?

[safe pelican]

yea i fw this heavy

[severe helm]

you should get more ace procs cuz you have SC for your vanish more often

bte should hit about the same though

just depends whether you have ruthless precision up or not

[safe pelican]

yea i just started doing that i was going wrong there i wasnt vanishing enough

coming from sub it feels weird to spend the vanish for dmg

[severe helm]

just think of vanish as dance

[safe pelican]

yea playing all 3 specs got me all messed up rn but great build loving it ty ty

[bleak dagger]

What’s wrong with this? Saves the W bind, movement feels fluid and can still hit all side mouse buttons with thumb 👍

[potent pivot]

there's nothing inherently 'wrong' with it, it's personal preference

but i do feel like being good at moving without too much mouse input is a better skill

[severe helm]

I mean sometimes you want to move and click a ttoem at the same time

I dont really feel like you should need the extra 1 keybind

sacrificing movement

same reason I keep S bound

I have like 130 keybinds and still have wasd bound so it really doesnt feel like one should be desperate enough to need to unbind W and S but yeah its just preference

[bleak dagger]

I don’t know, this set up where you only using mouse to move with strafes was originally from Vanguards. Never had problem clicking totems etc and save binds imo. Definitely feels more fluid than anything else I’ve tried over the years

[severe helm]

Xaryu uses mouse to move so obv it works at the high end

[severe helm]

I mean you can just keep both bound lol

some people have trouble pressing modifiers so they have to find workarounds cuz you lose a LOT of keybinds if youa rent using all 3 modifiers tbh

[potent pivot]

isn't it originally from Reckful

[bleak dagger]

I use W as builder on all characters and S is usually a slow etc

[severe helm]

reckful did Z X strafing

but yeah he unbound forward/backwards

[severe helm]

yeah but unbinding movement should be a last resort

imo at least

one thing I think more people should do if their keyboard is capable is change capslock to act as CTRL

its an infinitely better spot to press the key from

[bleak dagger]

Just saying you guys might be mistaking what I’m explaining ,
Plus many high end players only use mouse and strafe to move. Didn’t invent this at all, just sayin it’s extremely fluid and saves binds.

Plus I’m
Just looking for sin tips

[severe helm]

makes a lot of binds way easier to play with CTRL mod

[severe helm]

Yeah I think people just too quickly copy what high end players do without thinking about why they did it or if its even valuable to do and not just some old habit of the player

[potent pivot]

naw we aren't misunderstanding, i'm just saying it's personal preference

[severe helm]

but yeah it all works

[potent pivot]

what works for you or me isn't the same for the next person

[severe helm]

wow is extremely customizable for a reason

[safe pelican]

Yea it is

[bleak dagger]

I’ve been playing like this since probably WoD bro

[safe pelican]

I love that about the game

[severe helm]

most high end pvpers probagbly have suboptimal setups cuz theyre just so insanely used to it at this point

[bleak dagger]

That’s probably why I don’t even think about it

[severe helm]

dylbar plays with his hand on his arrow keys

and uses the binds around that

with his right hand on the mouse still

but I think youd be silly to copy that

[safe pelican]

I just started playing pvp in season 2 dragon flight started with sub rogue as my very first class coming back got 1600 ss with a no mouse just the MacBook trackpad 😂 i use QWE and i could only reach up to like number 6 cause i had to use the trackpad to turn the camera

Ima legend in my books for that idc

[severe helm]

trackpad goes hard haha

I have a buddy who plays with W as auto run

[potent pivot]

there's not much to say in the way of tips for sin, it kinda just comes with practice. if you're already 2.1 you probably know what can be easily explained here.

[severe helm]

he just presses W to turn on and off auto run all the time hahahhaa

its wild

[safe pelican]

I thought about this actually cause of how much we have W slammed or whatever your forward keybind is

[potent pivot]

keep bleeds up on as many targets as possible without fucking up CC, kidney someone on CD, pay attention to CC DRs, etc

[safe pelican]

That’s not a bad idea just something that would take a while to get used to

[severe helm]

he does it cuz he also uses W for other binds

like W is auto run but Shift W will be some movement button

[safe pelican]

Oh that’s sweaty nahh he’s crazy

[severe helm]

Yeah its wild

[bleak dagger]

Thank you, looking for something a little more advanced not seeing a lot of up to date guides etc. figured the class discord was the next place to look/ask

[severe helm]

best thing you can probably do as you get higher rated is to vod review

cuz there arent gona be many "general" tips left for you

[safe pelican]

This

[potent pivot]

if you can come up with something more specific i'm sure we can try to answer, but pvp is a game mode that just comes with practice

[severe helm]

have to just start looking at things like whether you missed a win condition or didnt see something

[safe pelican]

Record your own gameplay and watch it or have someone else watch it

[bleak dagger]

What do you guys think are the strongest comps to push 3s with?

[severe helm]

everything past 2400 is awareness tbh imo

[bleak dagger]

Keep playing with BM hunters and it’s ehhh

Like do you save Shiv for kidney? I notice I get a lot more wins double cheaping dps and saving kidney for healer cc chains

[potent pivot]

aff/fmage/boomie

there's quite a few decent things to play with assa

[molten hedge]

I’m almost 2.3k on my assa rogue and I don’t even pay attention to omnibar, omniCD, etc. if I actually learn that I’d be so much better

[candid tide]

after 2min mark when defensives are bak it dont even matter no more dmg just go through it lol

[bleak dagger]

Nice what would you say was the most important thing you focus on playin it in shuf?

[bleak dagger]

Do you think FDK could work just tunneling healers to a certain range, I definitely wanted to try it with Aff. Comp was slapping last ssn

[molten hedge]

Trinkets, DRs, and not overlapping my defensives with healer and using mine at the right time (during enemy CDs). Also not lining or ranging your healer just for the sake of doing damage. Also saving trinket for a good moment not aggro trinketing the very first cc on you to be put right back into another cc

[potent pivot]

idk, haven't seen anyone try to play with fdk. i kinda doubt it'd be good tbh. they aoe blind and aoe stun on their go, i don't think it'd mesh well with rogue.

[bleak dagger]

Yeah I definitely feel squishy , and saving a vanish seems important. Cheat death or feint dr?

[potent pivot]

uhdk/assa was decent before uhdk got nerfed earlier this season, but uhdk was good with anything then

cheat death is still the play for assa

depends on the match up though i think

[jaunty osprey]

Cheat death useless vs a fire mage meteor/comet storm living bomb combo btw

[potent pivot]

if you can reliably prefeint etc

[jaunty osprey]

it will always go through cheat :((((((((

[potent pivot]

ye same with rapid fire iirc

anything with multiple projectiles

[severe helm]

yeeeup

anything that is already in the air

will hit for full damage

chaos bolt

frost bolts

pyros

etc

[molten hedge]

I use barely any Ctrl mods and no alt mods lol

[severe helm]

yeah thats criminal haha

idk how you have enough binds

[molten hedge]

I use ESDF for movement so I have YHB for binds

[pine zodiac]

Brother are you me?
I have like 2 ctrl mods and no alt mods.

Welp never mind, I still use WASD for movement.

[molten hedge]

ESDF opens up more of the keyboard and more comfortable for me bc I have big hands

[pine zodiac]

Tiny ass baby hands mcgee over here. Struggle to reach 4 without fully lifting my hand off WASD.

[molten hedge]

Bc I have focus not arena123 for everything.

[severe helm]

aaah no wonder mods are hard to press from there

[candid tide]

whaazz plays with focus only but hes so adept with it its seems like hes playing with a123

[molten hedge]

My hand felt cramped
With WASD. I’m left handed also so I’m really good at the keyboard over the mouse. I just don’t think it’s necessary to have a ton of control and alt binds at least for melee

[severe helm]

yeah it all comes down to preference

if you can make it work with that many binds then youre prob fine

[bleak dagger]

I use Alt mod on casters where I still have arena 1-3 still ie alt-w , e, r for fear 1, 2, 3

Movement keys (strafe r/l) moved over to d and g. Q/A/Z other cc

[candid tide]

Jellybeans is pretty insane on his hunt since he uses a123 for majority of his abilities

[severe helm]

yeah having a123 for specs like hunter or rogue is a very big bonus

its either that or you get really good with your arena 123 targeting macro

or focus 123 macros

thats what whaaz does

he just moves his focus around all the time

[candid tide]

its so facemelting to practice it

[safe pelican]

Ngl i took the Pikaboo route tab target mafia and clicking gladius frames 🤣

[candid tide]

yeah its pretty nuts

[safe pelican]

But i have like every key on the keyboard binded long fingers but i hate pressing modifiers

[severe helm]

lol if hteres any player not to copy its pika

he was using PARTY frames until halfway through dragonflight

hes actually insane

[bleak dagger]

So much for personal preference, huh fellas

[severe helm]

I mean

theres a limit hahahhaa

if your "preference" was to click all your buttons and have no keybinds

I think we could all agree thats suboptimal

[safe pelican]

😂😂😂

[bleak dagger]

Explain what’s suboptimal about shifting the movement keys and using alt? Opens a lot of real estate on the board

[severe helm]

I wasn't talking about that

I was talking about pika using party frames

I think the reactions to what you said were more out of surprise

That's a unique set up to say the least

[safe pelican]

Nah the party frames clicking is crazy but i only click gladius and you get used to he does that know but i would agree tab targeting is like 2nd nature now

[bleak dagger]

I’m just not a huge Supa fan , I suppose

[potent pivot]

did anyone mention supa

[bleak dagger]

Isn’t that the emoji under it him?

[potent pivot]

huh

[bleak dagger]

Looks like the reaction to the set up was supa ? If not idk

[severe helm]

he uses focus though too

[severe helm]

nah its just an old meme

not supatease

[safe pelican]

True , i use focus blind need to get better with the rest just me being mid just need to bind the rest on the naga with modifiers

[outer sky]

man so few casters/healers in this game understand how to play with melee

like

you have to push in with us

I can't just be ranging my healer every time I get kited

idk why thats so hard to understand

[halcyon timber]

Yeah get dog leashed because someone doesn’t push in

Sucks

[pine zodiac]

Dam.. just had my first "fuck my team" game as rogue. Ninjaed their base solo 4 times while my team could not hold anything.

[molten hedge]

Yeah hitting the SP in the open while the boomie is playing behind a pillar with his healer feels pretty horrible lmao

Feels like a losing battle when you have to hit the closest wizard and no one is pushing. I can agree

I think there’s a time to push though. Can’t just be all game. That’s another problem with shuffle people will push when they’re off DRs with no defensives or trinket and get globaled

[languid ravine]

get used to it, they are all like that

[pine zodiac]

You telling me... next game after a 30m queue is even worse.
Makes me wana just go back to my hunter and pew pew without a care in the world.

[stoic spruce]

Steal being 2 letters away from stealth is very interesting

[molten hedge]

I have a general question but would like specifics if you can provide them with some context. I have all the important addons. I mentioned earlier I don’t rly use them. But I’d like to form some habits on that. To you who are multi legends, glads, or even r1s, would you explain how often, when, and what you are looking at during an arena match. Is it something where you scan all of them every few seconds, while cc’d, etc. I am sure it differs for each class like a sub rogue will probably be much more in tune with things whereas a fury warrior may still pay attention but not as much. I’m maining rogue rn so advice from that perspective would be great but welcome any wisdom @potent pivot @jaunty osprey @severe helm

[potent pivot]

DRs/omnibar/frames/OmniCD etc

Knowing what CDs the other team has is important

Can help you decide who you’re going to CC and how you want to go about it etc

[molten hedge]

So if a tankier target like an SP has no fade, disperse or trinket, but say the arcane mage has a block, i should just swap to the priest for the go and try killing? Or does that wholely depend on who’s on my team. Just trying to solidify a concept I can grab on to and apply myself

[potent pivot]

depends a lot on the comps yeah, but in general target swapping is always a good thing to do

especially in 3s, and if you're in voice to coordinate etc

[stoic spruce]

I miss my rogue

Send out some fat GSW pistol shots for a brother

[inner tartan]

i almost gave up thou i call inc and 6 minutes later some one will swap

[severe helm]

Yeah I second what notricks said, theres really not one thing to watch its a combination of everything

trinkets are a big one and DRs are really the main one you cant afford to mess up

[severe helm]

as outlaw in shuffle I personally like to constantly be rotating goes on stun DR

so instead of going for triple cross cc, I will kidney healer and vanish->cheap open on one of the dps

as soon as I force a cd I will usually swap to the other dps when I have another vanish and do a go on them

this way the stun drs are kind of always in rotation and you have a ton of pressure to work with

if theyre playing a spec thats really scary and I know I will need to save stops for then I wont stun them and save stuns defensively for that target but in general I do it the other way

should be making sure youre setting up to do a go as soon as drs are up, the more frequently you can do goes the better so if theyre sitting off stun dr for a long time it can be a problem

also a weird thing that helps is when you do your go, try to actually use all 3 stun drs esp in shuffle. If theyre full DRd then your teammates(warriors) cant extend stun dr and reset the timers on you

[molten hedge]

Maybe a ret pal would be exception if he’s not KT bc he can just sanc the stun

[molten hedge]

I like this bc I take up too much of crackshot to triple stun everyone then get no damage off

[molten hedge]

THIS BRO. My friend just told me about this and it’s so clutch. Also might get a kill in that last stun

[severe helm]

yeah ret throws a wrench for sure sanc is brutal

and just an extra bop is rough

usually when its ret I end up going ret

so instead of having to worry about crossing him it just naturally happens cuz hes kill target

even though theyre hard to kill

[molten hedge]

I almost had 2k cr on outlaw in placements and a little after that but I hit a wall and couldnt get past 1800-1850. Just paid like a LITTLE attention to omnibar and stuff and 5-1d into BM/DH/Arms. tbf one of the healers was an rdruid which made it easier. But it definitely helped me just like that

[potent pivot]

If you kinda stop worrying about winning/rating and force yourself to pay attention to the proper stuff until it becomes muscle memory, you’ll reclimb a lot easier prolly

That’s what I did when I first came back to pvp from mostly pve’ing in SL. Just kinda forced my attention to all that stuff for a couple seconds multiple times throughout matches

[molten hedge]

Ya I’ve developed habits where I don’t look at that stuff much. Idk how I got as far as I have on assa all things considered lmao

It can be overwhelming while trying to trade and do damage but I’m sure I can do it if I just take a few secs to learn

[pine zodiac]

One thing I have to say about rogue. The highs in pvp feel soooo much better then any other class I have played.

[jaunty osprey]

I'm always watching DR trackers for my teammates and personal

that's pretty much it

[safe pelican]

It’s time.

[pine zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/pbj-family-guy-peter-griffin-brian-griffin-banana-costume-gif-15624157

[safe pelican]

This

I swear this is why it’s easier to push on alts you just dgaf and you have fun

[torpid swan]

!stats

[lethal roost]

These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.

Subtlety: Vers>Mastery>Crit>Haste
Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Crit=/=Haste
Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
You likely want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw for an extra GCD during ADR/Crackshot windows. Take 'em by Surprise gives you 10% during CS windows, so you only need 10-15% from gear.

[torpid swan]

how come sin runs such low vers?

[safe pelican]

just played a twin peaks match where i was the only person on the entire team to attack the efc on all 3 of their caps you cant make this stuff up

[vocal surge]

Lad probably played Everquest back in the day lol

[severe helm]

truuue

so stressed out right now playing my main in blitz

every loss is heartbreak

[vocal surge]

tru

[brave estuary]

i havent pvp for ages, is there a way to remove bleeds/poisons when u blind?

[stoic spruce]

Does it automatically

[brave estuary]

oh

oh wat blind is only like 4 seconds now

[stoic spruce]

Yeah

CC nerfs in DF

Had the opposite effect they intended

[orchid plinth]

lmao I thought this Warlock ported away but I accidentally killed them

[plain blade]

As an assas rogue, which dps class gives you the most trouble?

[hollow carbon]

Ret for me, they have 1000 abilities to counter

BoP, bubble, shield while stunned and sanc are so annoying. Doesn’t even help when bop gets dispelled cause bleeds aren’t there anymore

[wanton breach]

evoker, survival hunter, paladins, dwarves

[languid ravine]

can someone tell me how high I must climb until I stop getting a minimum of 4 lobotomized teammates in blitz? because 2300 is clearly not it

3000 maybe?

[safe pelican]

I think 2700 plus

[languid ravine]

thats like next season with current queue times

[safe pelican]

Just hit 1600 on the pirate rogue alt last night 😂 took me way more games than I’m willing to admit

[safe pelican]

Tbh i don’t think I’ll make glad before End of season just because of the MMR system in blitz but I’m going to keep playing so that in season 2 I’ll be able to push out the gate once the season starts with the actually blitz mains instead of getting stuck with the shitters

I Have to win 55 games straight lol

[little egret]

hi guys, im wondering how you do key bindings. i have a 12 button mouse and wonder most of all if you use the stealth bar at all? or you have the same bind no matter your stealth state

[potent pivot]

same binds

[gleaming sentinel]

pirate 2.4 in blitz, now to grind shuffle

[candid tide]

ele out of elo hell

[languid ravine]

that is just the 8th layer of elo hell

you need to climb another 1000

and then realize its all elo hell

[blissful peak]

it's turtles elo hell all the way down

[languid ravine]

two of my blitz games today:
One we fire solo tanked 3 enemies, we stealth cap 2v4 and both of their healers are with us

and then we fly mid and stealth cap that too

and we win only by like 200 points in the end

and then the game before both teams use Eots flag to throw the game

three times over

I kid you not

at 2.200

and then the game after I get two healers at 1500 rating

at 2.200

[plain blade]

I hate Ret pallies, arms warrior other than that, most classes can eat shit lol

[lone goblet]

Is Radiant Power or Depths better for pvp?

[potent pivot]

depends on what spec you're playing

depths is better for outlaw, it's decent for assa but radiant is still very good for assa

sub just plays radiant really

[lone goblet]

ty

[candid tide]

some r1 told me depths is overall better for shuffle cause of the short duration games

[potent pivot]

nah that doesn't really make a difference

[candid tide]

and power is better for 3s when setup play is more prevalent

[potent pivot]

even in short matches you'll have roughly the same uptime of radiant

radiant is just a lot better for aoe or burst damage

so it fits assa and sub very well

[candid tide]

ai i guess ill trust ur take on this
power doesnt really proc as much as depths when testing on dummies tho

[potent pivot]

Because depths procs a dot

Radiant procs a damage hit and an agi buff

Depths is better for ST while Radiant pulls ahead when you upkeep bleeds on multiple targets

[candid tide]

ah yeye ig

[candid tide]

gotcha make sense

[potent pivot]

Depths isn’t bad, but imo with the build most people play on assa (full bleed build) radiant is better

I think Depths is better with the build that Ivanrah and I run than it is with the full bleed build, because we have a little bit more focus on ST damage

[candid tide]

and power on two daggers is solid dmg buff too

[potent pivot]

But I still run radiant with my build because I think it’s better all around etc

Too many people just see “oh this did X% of my damage on details” and automatically think it’s better

Not taking into account radiant buffs your multi target damage

[candid tide]

that's some indepth elaboration on it thanks for the heads up

[severe helm]

never

im at 3300 and you still have actual apes on your team a lot of the time

they start to know basic strats at least but you'll still go to mines or offcarts with a ret who lets both his teammates die without using LoH, sac, bop, anything on them

[severe helm]

if only haha

[severe helm]

I've been using 1 of each as outlaw. It just happened to go this way cuz I take depths off on node maps but use it on FC maps/arena and left the offhand to be radiant. Do you know how depths works when you have it on both weps? Can you get 2 stacks of the dot?

[potent pivot]

Iirc it just doubles the damage

Basically all enchants just double damage when you use 2 these days

[torpid swan]

Anyone know how assa can afford to have such low vers? Wouldnt they get targeted?

[potent pivot]

They do get targeted most of the time

Most specs in the game get by with low vers rn

It’s season 1

[severe helm]

Even with "low" vers you're losing maaaybe 5-7% dr

Remember it only reduces damage taken by half of the vers percentage

[plain blade]

So what’s that knock back that people are using now? It’s stronger than the shaman knock back. I think it’s a consumable or something

[potent pivot]

Probably kultiran racial

Consumables aren’t usable in rated pvp

[severe helm]

interesting so it procs the same amount but when it procs it does twice as much

and yeah kul tiran racial is super strong in blitz

[potent pivot]

Ye and radiant does more damage and gives more agi etc

[severe helm]

Yeah im still unsure for ST cases whether I want 1 of each or just 2 x radiant still

[potent pivot]

For outlaw I really think you want depths x2

Since it’s a hasted enchant

And I think it might also proc more because of swift slasher but I’m not 100% sure

[severe helm]

hmm interesting

depths does break cc though

which is annoying

[bleak dagger]

Ahhh, just crafted vers/mast daggers and went with depths… Sadge

[potent pivot]

that's fine

[bleak dagger]

Radiant is on the welfare crit daggers

[potent pivot]

depths is still a good enchant

[plain blade]

It was in a regular bg. I’ve seen a mage and hunter use it. It had a lightning animation and knocks you high and far lol

[potent pivot]

in regular BGs you can use all kinds of random shit

[bleak dagger]

I believe the KT racial stuns and knocks so you have to trinket or it’s gg

[languid ravine]

guys I ve got secret saucy tech but dont tell anyone about it

-talent into cheat death

-press feint

-sweaty enemies will swap off you

-later they will be super surprised when you die 0,001 sec after cheat death procs

and thats how you outplay people at pro level

[tender ember]

easiest season so far for assa to get glad

[languid ravine]

n1 but dont you need teammates for that

[tender ember]

played with disc (his 1st glad) and lock (last glad in bfa)

[bleak dagger]

Gz, I need to find an aff with either hpal or disc. PI goes brrrr tho

[severe helm]

S4 DF was pretty easy

Glad right now on NA is only 100 rating below r1 cutoff lolol

[gleaming sentinel]

I think I’ll push as aff / outlaw / disc. Just need to all be on at the same time

[languid ravine]

personally I ll get 2400 shuffle on assa and then delete WoW forever

already gained +5 rating the last four lobbies this should be easy

and also Ive managed to bug out not one, but TWO bosses in castle nathria

isnt WoW fun

[glass hazel]

you get glad in shuffle as well?

[languid ravine]

nope

[glass hazel]

what the point then :x

[languid ravine]

tabard kek