pvp

[sick wasp]

Meanwhile on world of mages https://www.youtube.com/shorts/bmUaERBqDb0

[safe pelican]

2% chance bug

[neat torrent]

Lovely!

[safe pelican]

Or they faded it and you didn’t notice there’s some moves that just cancel the entire move to like one or two hits idk why

[neat torrent]

I finished last night 4 points off 1800. 1800 on outlaw is harder than 2100 on ww monk for real

But way more satisfying to play

[safe pelican]

Shuffle or blitz

[neat torrent]

It usually happens when I'm in a big melee zerg

Shuffle

I know rogue is good in blitz but I'm mentally scarred after getting 2400 on my ww monk

Put me off the mode for life

[languid ravine]

HOLY SHEET we need to nerf DK right now

[potent pivot]

not again

DK is way too fun to keep catching strays

[radiant glen]

buh

https://tenor.com/view/cat-sniff-gif-26264120

i smell rogue buffs soon™️

[sick wasp]

irrelevant class,its always been about mage

and forever

[rancid folio]

Hey guys! I thought about picking up roque to play some BGs and 2s with my SP partner. Which roque spec would be better for this and which one would be easier to learn?

[potent pivot]

that's very subjective

most people say assa feels easier

[rancid folio]

Dont know about max level but atm i have the feeling that the dot managing feels anoying to me 😄

[neat torrent]

A lot of the dot spreading happens automatically because garottes and ruptures while you have the stealth buff up spread to close enemies

As someone who recently started rogue a few weeks ago, assa felt much easier than outlaw

No comment on sub

[orchid plinth]

Sub is probably the best when playing 2DPS but it's by no means easy. Playing 2DPS is a bit of an uphill battle so to say.

[spiral spear]

Hello guys, is there any experienced assa rogue here that could answer few question ☺️🙏🏻

[potent pivot]

Sup

[spiral spear]

@potent pivot i sended u priv 😄

[wintry dew]

Damn

Directly into dms

[safe pelican]

🤣🤣

[grave basin]

your first mistake is playing double dps 2s

in 2k24

[safe pelican]

Can run double dps to about 1600-1800 after that it’s kinda cooked can get 2k if you’re both playing flawlessly and flawlessly is not to be confused with anything less lol

[rancid folio]

Ah, thanks for sharing your experience 🙂

[rancid folio]

Yeah, heard about that double dps is hard. be play at max 1.7k rating anyways.
Im a healer main. Just wanted to try some DPs but my m8 refuses to play healer, so we have to try double dps 😄

[neon wolf]

hey guys, i never really played rogue before but im leveling mine to get the elite set for this season, when i was farming rating on my mage, I noticed rogue were often outlaw or assass, is there a "best" or how can i decide which one to play

[potent pivot]

there's not really a best, but you'll probably be better off playing assa if you've never played rogue and don't know the other specs

but i'd probably just play the one you like the most

[spring bough]

Outlaw + Sin 2s going to the moon

[neon wolf]

yeah i havent played it since like s2 BFA 😅

currently leveling with outlaw, almost 80

are the stat weights the same between outlaw/assa in pvp?

[spring bough]

It’s a blitz / solo / timewalk day yall

[potent pivot]

nope

!stats

[lethal roost]

These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.

Subtlety: Vers>Mastery>Crit>Haste
Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Crit=/=Haste
Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
You likely want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw for an extra GCD during ADR/Crackshot windows. Take 'em by Surprise gives you 10% during CS windows, so you only need 10-15% from gear.

[potent pivot]

they're pretty much opposite

quite a few of us have at least 2 rogues because of it

[spring bough]

Why is it the one day I work from home this week

We got a server shutdown

[neat torrent]

Blizzard have a deal with your employer to make sure you're not being cheeky on the side

[spring bough]

I like how SOD is up but retail isn’t lol

[errant cloud]

hello, can anyone explain pls, how to make set items scaleable for pvp with heraldies? i got that u can craft algari item and then convert it into set piece. But if i already have set piece and it is not pvp scaleable, how to make it? guess it is right chanel now

[neon wolf]

oh damn 😦 can u summarize what each rogue spec is good at or what playstyle they play? i'll definitely check out some guides once im 80

i remember being particularly annoyed by outlaw rogues as a mage

sub rogues felt easy to deal with

but assa sometimes just straight up one shots

[neat torrent]

I don't think that's possible. You can only turn pvp items into set items with a pvp scaling using the catalyst

[potent pivot]

You have to put Conquest gear into the Catalyst

[neat torrent]

Someone correct me if I'm wrong

[spring bough]

I just joined the two rogue train last night. My outlaw is mostly all crit/haste/verse gear. And my sin is all mastery and verse. Was easier and faster to gear a second toon than to get a second set on my outlaw

[potent pivot]

sub is very bursty, outlaw is more of a high uptime/tanky brawler, assa is mostly focused on bleed damage

[neon wolf]

i see

thanks ill have a look deeper into assa/outlaw

[spring bough]

so im flying around on my golden discus and im wondering... do they just have a nimbus cloud mount?

cause this things got a cloud underneath it. would look cool as hell without the disc lol

[safe pelican]

Can get 1.7 no prob with double dps just SP isn’t the best double dps partner for rogue is all

[safe pelican]

lol Sin is op rn & you can def get up there with double rogue bro that’s what I run in 2s

[languid ravine]

healer in my blitz is VERY angry that we got the flag for +175 and win the BG because and I quote "how is that useful"

[spring bough]

Sin is so Op in dungeons with the aoe bleeds and silence lol

Woah. Each random timewalk gives 2 bronze now??? Wild

[potent pivot]

yeah there's a guy boosting 4 of his own characters on a lvl 11 twink getting 10 bronze per dungeon

[spring bough]

That is amazing

[spring bough]

wish sudden demise did dungeon numbers in arenas

currently double my garrote damage by the end of this timewalk lol

[waxen meteor]

but timewalk dungeons get boring quite fast

sin is not bad in dungeons overall

[potent pivot]

he has like

270 characters

[languid ravine]

(but why)

[spring bough]

Next level insanity

[potent pivot]

omega profession concentration

the shit that takes time to reload on your professions, that you use to guarantee rank 3 crafts

so i think he just levels them all to 70, levels professions, then uses all the Concentration every few days

[languid ravine]

at that point just get a job lol

[potent pivot]

so every 3-4 days he's making like 5m profit

[midnight grove]

wtf are you supposed to do vs enh shaman

they just turn into some spirit bullshit and 1 shot me

with 50 stuns

[spring bough]

Now all he has to do is take his setup. Apply it to the real world. And make millions 😂

[potent pivot]

too bad we can't just make new accounts for doppelgangers

[vocal surge]

Lol

[spring bough]

Set four idk what to get

Warrior, DK, pally, warlock

[languid ravine]

losing almost all blitzes yesterday and winning almost all of them today, almost like its a total coinflip

[potent pivot]

warr or dk

easy swap for an outlaw main

fury/frost

[spring bough]

Just for the armor set lol

[potent pivot]

ye

[spring bough]

War and DK were some of my first alts to 80 lol

Might do fistweaver leveling next. Easy ques. Damage. Tons of passive healing. And I can rock my new tier 2 monk set

[languid ravine]

dont play frost dk for the love of god it is laughably bad even when you somehow manage to bunch people up for AoE stuns

[potent pivot]

frost dk isn't that bad

especially not for just 1800

[spring bough]

I always play unholy better. I always try frost but I’m bad with it lol

Unholy brain dead easy with the dots and the death coil spam off my mouse keybind lol

[potent pivot]

feels more similar to outlaw

[spring bough]

I’ve never played a straight healer. But fistweaving is fun. Just all dps and don’t worry about healing no one lol

[lone anvil]

Gay healers are definitely the way to go

[spring bough]

Lmaooooo set myself up for that one huh

[lone anvil]

The fisting was just enough to edge

[spring bough]

My monks name is fistinglover 😂

[vocal surge]

Lol

[vocal surge]

Fistbuster

[spring bough]

Surprised no one’s reported my monks name yet 😂

“But blizz I play fistweaver and I love it” 💀

[vocal surge]

Make it on Moon Guard

And visit Goldshire Inn, RMT for RP

[spring bough]

Honestly thinking about doing a third rogue that’s how bored I am today

Do I do my dark iron dwarf, regular dwarf, human or a horde race

[lime oar]

Human sub rogue

[spring bough]

That sounds horrible 😂

[lime oar]

DO IT

[potent pivot]

human or orc sub

[spring bough]

Isn’t sub like bottom of the barrel right now

Yeah murlok dungeon rankings it’s dead last 😂

[lime oar]

We’ve seen your progression on outlaw and sin. It’s time for sub

[potent pivot]

nah

only if you're a meta chasing weirdo

[spring bough]

I haven’t played sub since shadowlands with edge of nights

[potent pivot]

which YOU ARE NOT

sub plays trickster in dungeons and does it's ST rotation mostly

it's hype

[languid ravine]

I m a meta chasing weirdo, leveling up my male Zandalari BM hunter right now

[spring bough]

Really hmmm

[lime oar]

Sub is the true rogue spec let’s go

[spring bough]

I have a human or both dwarf rogues at 70

[languid ravine]

heres how you win as BM hunter:
/petattack

[spring bough]

Guess it’s time to level Hispaniola human rogue as sub? 💀

[lime oar]

https://tenor.com/view/jack-nicholson-funny-gif-24793899

[safe pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/taking-notes-notes-gif-17478299096235163441

[spring bough]

So my Kul Tiran is vancleef mog. Night elf is tier 2.5 set. What should the human be

[safe pelican]

Cause Blitz is a joke and a total coin flip , can’t convince me otherwise

[languid ravine]

how dare you talk trash about blitz its a serious competitive and balanced mode and I gained 200 rating today because that was all me as a god gamer

[safe pelican]

We’ll see how you feel after tomorrows queues

[potent pivot]

#fuckblitz

There I said it

[safe pelican]

I must admit though I’m having fun rolling outlaw and playing blitz cause of the 4x hooks mobility as an assa /sub main assa is kinda easy rn purposely want the game on expert difficulty if I’m not going to play sub

[safe pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/falcon-sam-wilson-outta-line-but-gif-22091662

[potent pivot]

I hate BGs

[spring bough]

I love blitz. Games so much fun 😂

[potent pivot]

I do 1 on all my alts for Heraldries and that’s it

[safe pelican]

Supercharged KS go Brrrrrr though I’m ngl super KS on a healer at like 30% or less i just smile while i watch their health bar go to 0 🤣🦦

[lime oar]

SI:7 mog

[spring bough]

Guessing I gotta make that myself

[vocal surge]

[spring bough]

oh outlaw pumpin now?

[vocal surge]

10 CP Killing Spree doesn't exist, 10 CP Killing Spree can't hurt you.
10 CP Killing Spree:

https://tenor.com/view/addable-sky-addable-dusk-game-dusk-fps-gif-21401282

[potent pivot]

Get the Chosen Renewal set on your night elf

[spring bough]

idk that one either lol

[potent pivot]

I think you have to do all the DF campaigns and the nelf heritage quest line, both on a nelf, to get it

[vocal surge]

How to deal with KS's Nauseating effect: Stare at your target's health bar as it drops to 0

[spring bough]

sounds like it takes a month lol\

[jolly sierra]

tier 3

[spring bough]

rocking it right now with my argent dawn tabard

[jolly sierra]

chad

[spring bough]

Rupture a big part of sub now right?

[vocal surge]

Ye

It's been doing high dmg

[potent pivot]

Naw

Not as big as it has been

We don’t really take Replicating Shadows anymore

It’s prolly good to take in dungeons tho

[spring bough]

Yeah I got it for a dungeon leveling build

Using rotten, shadowcraft, Danse all with flag

It’s weird sub doesn’t take subterfuge anymore. Guess cause of the two shadow dance charges

[potent pivot]

Naw

You just have to squeeze every bit of damage possible now

Some people still take it

Tea is generally better though

[spring bough]

Why did I think that sub rogues had deadly poison lol

[spring bough]

Dungeon builds barely take that too. It’s all cold blood / forced induction / deeper

[potent pivot]

Oh, yeah

It gives no extra damage lol

[vocal surge]

SoD

[spring bough]

I like that shuriken storm now doesn’t need a target

[jolly sierra]

did it required target?

damn

https://www.instagram.com/p/DCC1YGONA-U/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

this is intended for LFG tryharded pvpers

orgrim.coomhammer

just too hard man 🙏😔

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[hardy tinsel]

korrak's revenge is fun

I can snipe people all day

[spring bough]

sub is fun in dungeons with black powder and secret techs lol

[lilac sigil]

2 or 4 pieces as assa? I assume if 4 pieces we leave gloves as crafted/conquest

[rain beacon]

Sin?

[potent pivot]

4

[spring bough]

Nimble fury makes sub dungeon leveling OP

Not even using black powder anymore lol

[potent pivot]

Yeah I’m not sure about while leveling but sub doesn’t really press BP as trickster from what little I’ve read

It’s something like 12+ targets for BP

[mint mauve]

Goddamn you're lethal

[midnight grove]

ok pvp pros tell me

[mint mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/teach-me-doctor-strange-benedict-cumberbatch-gif-8215241

[midnight grove]

how to beat enhance sham 1v1

they pop cum form and 1 shot me

[potent pivot]

CC it

[languid ravine]

GERMANY

EXPLAIN

thats it I m leaving germany forever

[jaunty osprey]

I’ve been thinking about this for a while, is 4 set really worth it for 5% damage on your bleeds only?

I feel like I lose 4% of vers mast

running 4 set

[potent pivot]

you can't 'fully' count out the crit/haste

[languid ravine]

its worded as 5% overall

[jaunty osprey]

?

[potent pivot]

i think that's where people mess up on the equation

but 4set is likely only 1% better than 2set only

[vocal surge]

1. Drain their mana
2. CC chain their ascendance form
3. Kill their red Totem with lighting effects on it
4. Keep draining their CDs, run and hide if needed
5. Disarm

[potent pivot]

like it's a super small margin better

[jaunty osprey]

Yeah, definitely can’t

But having the vers and mast helps a lot w envenom damage

And kingsbane

[languid ravine]

its not only your bleeds its all your damage

[jaunty osprey]

It’s your bleeds

my guy

[potent pivot]

basically i think 4set/no 4set isn't even worth thinking about

[midnight grove]

i feel like their mega damage form has 0 cooldown and if i kite it they will just have it back again

[potent pivot]

either run it or don't kinda deal

[jaunty osprey]

ya, 2 set is definitely the only important thing

[potent pivot]

you're not going to notice the difference at all i think :p

[jaunty osprey]

Agreed

[languid ravine]

my client says "when you [..], you deal 5% more damage"

dont at me if blizz cant get their tooltips right again

my guy

[jaunty osprey]

Did you read it

You didn’t read it

My guy

don’t blame blizz for your lack of comprehension

[languid ravine]

one sec

[vocal surge]

What spec are you playing? I assume you're playing Outlaw

There's no easy brute force method when fighting a Shaman in general

you either drain their mana or die trying to pop them

[midnight grove]

i dont expect to facetank them but the damage is absolutely insane

[vocal surge]

If you need to trade defensives, just pop defensives as needed

[midnight grove]

i have feint going at all times and they just melt me

[vocal surge]

You dont have to Feint a Shaman

even if Elusiveness is talented

[midnight grove]

whats the cd on their big damage form?

[jolly sierra]

tbh feel 4set is a waste

[vocal surge]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[jolly sierra]

and even picking versa mastery in those pieces is better as assa

[vocal surge]

probably 2mins if we assume standard time

[languid ravine]

look it says

[jaunty osprey]

Yeah it says the exact same thing that Notrickz sent

[hidden moth]

swear to god

[languid ravine]

jesus christ

[hidden moth]

if blizz doesnt fix their keybind bullshit

everytime i log out log in my binds are reset

[jaunty osprey]

When you have 5 stacks of Vile Tincture,

Garrote, Rupture, and CT do 5% more damage

[hidden moth]

yes i am /reload to "save them"

[midnight grove]

who the hell thinks its ok

to give these classes a 100% damage increase cd

on 2min

[languid ravine]

mate it says "you do 5% more damage" do you get it now

[potent pivot]

try using Bartender maybe. that never happens to me.

[hidden moth]

@midnight grove what class

[hidden moth]

i just use base ui

[midnight grove]

ret pala, enh shaman

every spec has some go ape mode with 0 cooldown

[hidden moth]

got kciked from a timewalking bc i had to fix keybinds due to blizz being dog water

[jaunty osprey]

No, it’s a comprehension issue for sure

It lists your 3 bleeds for a reason

[hidden moth]

uh ret is min 30 seconds for wings and they only last 6 seconds

[jaunty osprey]

@potent pivot have you tried fatebound supercharge

[hidden moth]

pvp is a game about trading defensives for offensives. nothing more nothing less

[jolly sierra]

did maths in early season and im still sticking w versa mastery, cuz it fills the entire dmg consistently compared to 4set tier

[potent pivot]

yeah didn't seem good when i tested it

didn't try it much though

[languid ravine]

what part of ".. YOU do 5% more damage" do you not comprehend?

the rest is just the condition that needs to be fulfilled

fucking 5th grade logic is too hard for you

and you re out here acting like the smartest person in the classroom lmao

[potent pivot]

yeah ik, i'm pretty sure you can use Bartender and leave the base ui aesthetic. just saying that i never have that issue and that's what i use. it saves my keybinds on all chars etc.

bruh

[jaunty osprey]

lmaooo

[potent pivot]

can we all chill out

[hidden moth]

its not u do 5% more. it makes ur rupture garrote and crimson tempest do 5% more

it wont make my envenom hit harder

[languid ravine]

I am not saying it does or does not do that, I am saying my tooltip says what I am saying

despite whatever it does do ingame

[hidden moth]

tool tip doesnt say "you do 5% more damage" lol

[jolly sierra]

ye it just increases that dmg by 5%

[waxen meteor]

damn, just went to market nearby, they don't sell those wow dew/doritos

[jolly sierra]

not overall dmg

[languid ravine]

scroll up 10 lines you ll see the screenshot where it says that on german

[jolly sierra]

compared to 2set

[potent pivot]

you can check the nearest retailers on their website

[jolly sierra]

which increases poison dmg

[potent pivot]

like on the mountain dew website

[hidden moth]

i have a buddy who already has the stuff on 2 accounts. he has a friend who works in frito lay and got free codes

this? that says garrote crimson tempest and rupture do 5% more?

[potent pivot]

it's probably just a translation error for the "you" placement

chill

[waxen meteor]

if you are offering free ones to me, thanks a lot..

[hidden moth]

i didnt even get free ones

[languid ravine]

do you speak german?

[hidden moth]

so so

[languid ravine]

have you been speaking german for 27 years of your life?

[hidden moth]

i took 3 years of it

[languid ravine]

did you just read chat, flip a coin and take a random side?

without considering that maybe the tooltip is wrong

[jolly sierra]

im w the client in spanish

and it indeed says it just increase rupture, CT and garrote dmg by 5%

@potent pivot pick the translator

[potent pivot]

are we still discussing a tool tip

[jolly sierra]

maybe

lol

[hidden moth]

the tool tip reads just fine to me. im not just picking a side bc i want to be a dick.

[potent pivot]

this is world of warcraft we're talking about

[jolly sierra]

lit we are pvpeing here

[hidden moth]

wow gets tooltips wrong so often

[potent pivot]

-# no

[hidden moth]

gotta go to wow head to get half of what an ability actrually does

[potent pivot]

No

-# i will bite you

[midnight grove]

that looks so bad

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1134743752712396870/1279582126127452264/nA8yVR1.gif

[jolly sierra]

me kick cat

[safe pelican]

Fawkkkk No brother , But KS carries the class most satisfying button to hit for the entire rogue class

[midnight grove]

paladin?

[potent pivot]

you see this tough guy?

[midnight grove]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1134743752712396870/1279582126127452264/nA8yVR1.gif

[potent pivot]

he'll divine toll u

you won't make it out alive

[jolly sierra]

wake of ashes is worse

[lime oar]

I need this so bad

[jolly sierra]

u need to drink a lot of mountain dew

[potent pivot]

fire cat?
fire bike?
firing you?

[jolly sierra]

and piss like a homeless

[midnight grove]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1055683073506816020/1284224702201593929/pewpew.gif

me shooting you with 5 bte's in 1 stun

[hidden moth]

https://tenor.com/view/i-go-meow-cat-gif-14754260931102570253

[midnight grove]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cute-cat-yap-yapper-yapping-gif-5642199211123099306

[potent pivot]

crafting is guild or server restricted, but we also can't use the server as trade chat

just type "LF recraft" and link your item in trade chat in game

[elfin maple]

been doing for hours without any success, didnt know about server locked feature, that it is why i was looking here

but ok, np

[potent pivot]

are you on the lower population faction on your server?

sometimes i pop over to a horde character to LF recrafters because my server barely has alliance on it

[elfin maple]

will try that

[spring bough]

7 tier 2 mog sets to go

[lime oar]

Boys is this the one I need? Or does it specifically say wow on it

[hidden moth]

mans isnt on stormrage confirmed

[lime oar]

Nvm I see the ones on google images have wow graphics on them.

Bro there’s actually zero 12 packs available at ANY Walmart in my vicinity 😂😂 I didn’t think anyone gave af about wow

[gleaming pawn]

I read somewhere else, can't remember if it was in this discord or in reddit, that all of the branded xbox gaming products work as well. Doesn't have to specifically be the wow branded ones

because it's all just the same points shop on the back end

[lime oar]

Oh wait yeah I just read that since you use mtn dew gaming website to redeem the points, any of the product work

Interesting

[radiant glen]

human sub rogue cant be bad its in top 3 shuffle xdd

[gusty hedge]

any that have xbox rewards, I believe these are 100 points each

[lime oar]

And the mount is 500 or 600v

[safe pelican]

Lmaooooo I’m here for the cat gun memes

[lime oar]

Human sub rogue is great simply for the animations. Stealth looks good and the way they hold the daggers 👌🏻 Nelf looks goofy as hell

[safe pelican]

🦦

Human is fine it makes sense in shuffle as a rogue how could it NOT be good we never said BIS but def viable just play around the racial

Why are we still discussing this 🙂‍↔️

Just don’t roll belf like I did on my outlaw rogue for transmog purposes now I’m forced to pay for a race change cause i want to push blitz but fine with getting clapped up on belf for right now

Human outlaw rogue ?? Maximize ADR uptime ? 🤔🤔

[spring bough]

im playing sub on my night elf for my first solo as trickster

and it feels pretty silly

[gleaming pawn]

Belf isn't bad, surprising people with dispels wins games. Particularly when paladin is strong and trusts in BoP to keep them alive

doesn't always work, but it works often enough to not be considered trash tier

[vocal surge]

You can dispel BoP

and deal with Paladins far easier than any other race

[gleaming pawn]

another perk, disc priest throws a fat shield on your low kill target? Dispel and you might just strip said shield and get the kill

Belf is quite underrated

[spring bough]

sub lobby overrall

feels pretty good not gonna lie

always love trickster and unseen blade goes HAM with sub

coup too

[safe pelican]

That’s what the racial does ?

I don’t even know what it does lmao

So i can dispel it after they pop it with the racial ?

No way

Trickster sub isn’t bad it’s very bursty

Coupe hits hard af especially if it lines up for a kill window

[gleaming pawn]

aye

[safe pelican]

Within 8 yards ? Sounds broken learned something new

So Iceblock ? Lol gotta see how that works

[gleaming pawn]

nah Ice Block and Bubble require Mass Dispel

but effects like Ice Barrier and Blessing of Protection, yes

[jolly sierra]

think ice block and bubble are both full inmunities

[gleaming pawn]

yep they can only be removed with MD and Shattering Throw

[jolly sierra]

warr w shatt throw is the unusual big IQ move

[gleaming pawn]

always surprising when one actually has the button on their bars and remembers to use it

[lime oar]

Mostly cuz 9/10 times by the time shatt throw goes off or you get into range to use it and it goes off, they’ve already got decent regen/reset from block

So ppl don’t take it often

It would be insane if it was instant cast

[languid ravine]

there were 5 or 6 people alive defending the flag and somehow they managed to lose it

think its time to uninstall WoW again

cyaaaa

[gleaming pawn]

that's the best! Trying to kill the EFC with 6 of their people there disrupting me and my FC still dies with both healers and 1-2 people defending

Blitz is mind boggling

[languid ravine]

I had an assa rogue the game before he did 20m dmg in a lobby with 3 other assa rogues who did 150m each

and my BM hunter did 1/3rd of the enemy BM hunter

how is that even possible

[jolly sierra]

would be staple if is the case

[languid ravine]

even worse, it was the base in Gilneas not the flag I meant the other thing, the base flag

[gleaming pawn]

yeah...that's a special level of bad

[stoic spruce]

I hate crackshot I hate crackshot I hate crackshot I hate crackshot I hate crackshot I hate crackshot I hate crackshot I hate crackshot I hate crackshot I hate crackshot

@spring bough I hate crackshot I hate crackshot

[gleaming pawn]

it's that bad huh? I stopped playing Outlaw in keys and just never looked back

[spring bough]

go sub or sin lol

[stoic spruce]

NO

[spring bough]

sin is ez mode

[stoic spruce]

I will be miserable

Hmmmm

Okay

No

[jolly sierra]

what the

ah

[stoic spruce]

Ride or Die

[jolly sierra]

nice

[stoic spruce]

I will simply do no dmg

I just need infinite haste

[stoic spruce]

I can't stand the gameplay loop

Tf you mean I get NO ace procs 3 crackshot windows in a row?

[gleaming pawn]

I got so fucking sick of the famine lows in Outlaw back in s3/4 of DF, running it in both Keys and PvP made me want to quit so I just rolled Sin and it made things better

[stoic spruce]

You're probably right

[peak shore]

Can someone help me understand - When I look up like, guides etc for crafted pvp gear - they say to put harmonious for the stats but what's good for the embellishment?

[wary thistle]

I just went with duskthread lining, per the icyveins guide. Seemed to be somewhat common on murlok builds as well. Might be different depending on what content / spec you're going for though. Also depends on the slot

[peak shore]

Mint, Will have a look thank you!

[hidden moth]

on assa i rock 2x duskthread full vers mast

[wary thistle]

Yea other option is the elemental focusing lens, so it's mainly a choice of more tankiness (above 80% health) vs extra bit of damage

[peak shore]

Is it still assassination > Subtlety?

I feel like in arena assassination felt stronger - but I enjoy the subtle burst for BG / WM

[wary thistle]

fwiw, I was pointed to assassination as being new (to modern wow) to the class. So far it's been fun, but ymmv

[hidden moth]

assa and sub are both good rn

sub is a bit harder to play as its more in tune with its util than assa is.

sub is more set up and bursting someone down where assa is all about rotting them to death

[peak shore]

I came back after 5yrs, and rogue was not the class to try and come back to. we struggling! :x

[wary thistle]

did you play rogue a lot before?

[late oriole]

what tools do yall use to analyze your pvp performance?

new to outlaw pvp

[gleaming pawn]

did I kill the guy, or did I die

[hidden moth]

record urself

and rewatch ur games

[peak shore]

I used to play Druid mostly - But never really took the game seriously

But the mmo I played is gone now, so trying to find something to fill the gap :x

[wary thistle]

Ah cool cool. Yea rogue is fun nowadays, even if just doing casual pvp. What mmo were you on before?

[peak shore]

I used to play BDO and Archeage, AA mostly so when I came back druid felt like chewing a brick. :p

[spring bough]

assassin with no vigor and forced induction lol

solo lobby overall. 2 milly envenom

1 min long rupture so good lol

[hardy tinsel]

Outlaw 💪

[waxen meteor]

guys, what's the blitz reward (different from arena/ss)

[spring bough]

titles. grand marshal. then the end of season % title but thats it lol

[waxen meteor]

the title is same as ss isn't it?

[spring bough]

it would be forged grand marshal if you end up in the % for the title

[proven field]

Bois, where are we supercharging - I am struggling to find spots

[languid ravine]

consider short subterfuge and no second vanish for 2 supercharge points

[jaunty osprey]

drop deeper strat for it

and alacrity

or just play deeper strat and tea

[languid ravine]

at least for assa you never drop Tea and second vanish imo

[jaunty osprey]

wait gnome looks better for the mog

[proven field]

Can't drop 2nd vanish, but maybe subt

[jaunty osprey]

which spec?

[proven field]

Trickster outlaw

[jaunty osprey]

u can also play it with fatebound and this talent setup - i think pika is doing it too

[hexed egret]

do you RTB on cd with that build?

[safe pelican]

Yes

[outer sky]

Not that this has any real significance but what're the odds my max CT crit and non- crit would be the exact same number

[stoic spruce]

im on this boat

its making me sick and sad

[hidden moth]

outlaw wants dagger oh?

[orchid delta]

I wonder what % may be needed for Forged warlord/marshal, but my guess is around 2700-2800?

[gleaming pawn]

Dagger gives you more poison procs, but you can use an Axe/Mace/Sword/Fist without much issue. Using a 1h instead of dagger technically gives your killing spree a little more damage as it hits with both weapons but in the grand scheme vs poison procs it doesn't really matter

mog is better without a dagger though, since Blizz refuses to let daggers be mogged as a 1h or make dagger models that are scaled down/twins of the 1h weapons

[hidden moth]

i thought it wasnt even about poison procs more so bc of

[gleaming pawn]

nope that's all normalized, so weapon speed doesn't matter

[orchid plinth]

The gist of it is: ALL ROGUE SPECS WANTS DAGGER OH

[hidden moth]

interesting

i mean combat is the only rogue that can use weapons that arnt daggers lol

[orchid plinth]

Sub can use anything for OH

But they shouldn't since it's less DPS

[hidden moth]

cool so just 2x sword/ w/e for the double sword tmog ez

[vocal surge]

Drop Loaded Dice

You kinda get no value from it

And get Sleight of Hand

[bold mist]

Am I bad or does Sub just do no damage in world pvp without an insane amount of gear?

[hidden moth]

define insane amount of gear? what gear do u have

[bold mist]

I'm 619 currently, bearing in mind I have strictly raid/m+ gear +pvp trinket

[hidden moth]

well honor gear is 626 so ur already 7 ilvl short there

then blood token is 636 and conq is 639

most people are 638 ilvl for pvp and on this tuesday or next depending on how they geared will be 639/639

so its not being insanly geared to do damage its just having pvp gear to begin with

[bold mist]

Im not a pvper as u probably guessed so thjis I did not know

[hidden moth]

bloody token gear is easy to get as well. If u turn warmode on u will get 100 tokens per world quest you do and if u complete the sparks of war weekly you get another 1k tokens to help u catch up and skip the honor grind

ur good. i hope i didnt sound like a dick with the explanation

[bold mist]

No not at all

Haven't ever PvPed as rogue, used to play a lot of spriest in legion'

[hidden moth]

the pvp honor gear is purchased at 558 ilvl but all pvp gear has a subtext at the bottom "scaled to x amount in pvp"

[bold mist]

but randomly wanted to go kill some ppl in warmode and was suffering

[hidden moth]

yeah. thats mostly because you are 7 ilvl below what we all were before the start of the season. trying to fight people who are fully geared

while skill and strat is alot of pvp and winning and gear is not everything or the be all end all. a 20 ilvl gap is a decently sized road block to overcome.

[bold mist]

I did NOT know PvPers had it this good lol

[hidden moth]

its been nice. the scaling is mostly so we dont have to go do mythic raids and pray for specific vault items from keys to be mythic track etc for us to pvp

[bold mist]

Yeah but being 639 already is fucking insane

[hidden moth]

well its not quite

its only 639 in pvp

if i went into a key i would only be like 590

[bold mist]

Still, being max ilvl already in ur chosen thing is

nuts

Considering the average M+er ilvl is what, 625 maybe?

[hidden moth]

its nice but thats because rewards are a bit different. in pve ur rewards are loot, gear trinkets. a mount or 2 and a title. where pvp we are here for tmogs and titles lol

[hidden moth]

idk ive been doing +8s in pvp gear not even 610

also when u do a few bgs u will get a 1 time quest to get 9 heraldrys. u can use these to craft pvp items at around 606 ilvl but 639 in pvp

[vocal surge]

We're only ilvl 639 when we PvP, not when we're in War Mode

In fully upgraded Conquest gear, we're fighting mobs with ilvl ~619 gear unless a player tries to gank us

[bold mist]

So u do have 639 in warmode?

randomly see sum1 with less than my HP< I start fighting them and it feels like I'm auto-attacking thanos

[potent pivot]

Only in PvP combat or free for all zones

[vocal surge]

PvP varies from server to server, but on avg, your in the PvE ilvl

Especially in group content, Delves, and Raids

[hidden moth]

yeah bc if im questing and hitting a mob im sitting at 600 ilvl btu the second u hit me or im in combat wit ha player my ilvl jumps to 639 and my hp number shoots up with my damage so u gotta be weary on if they are low stats or not when they arnt in pvp combat

[neon wolf]

hey guys, does anyone know a good video guide for pvp assa? havent played it since bfa and i have no idea what im doing 😄

ik wowhead is usually very bad when it comes to pvp stuff

[potent pivot]

there's not really any good straight up guides

[neon wolf]

how would u suggest learning it tho? im talking more in terms of rotation and what not

[neat torrent]

As a general principle against other stealthers like hunters or rogues, is it a good idea to wait for them to open first in shuffle

[potent pivot]

learn the priorities

[neat torrent]

so that you get a free stun on them to stop their pressure

[potent pivot]

there's no set "rotations" in pvp

your priorities are like
spread empowered garrotes->spread ruptures

use FoK to build on 2 or more

upkeep CT's dot when you can hit 2 or more

[vocal surge]

Also practice on Training Dummies

Until you know what to press then go do it in skirms

[neon wolf]

another thing

in the pins i notice that the assa build thats recommended takes kingsbane and master assassin but the builds i see top assa rogues run dont seem to take that

according to murlok.io anyway

is the pin outdated?

[vocal surge]

There's a couple builds you can run

[potent pivot]

nope

[vocal surge]

Murlok.io builds tend to be the one most everyone is playing

That is high performing btw

[potent pivot]

murlok just shows what most people run, it isn't always going to show you the "best" options

[neon wolf]

i see

and for poisons its always wound poison + crippling right

[potent pivot]

yeah

[neon wolf]

gotcha thanks

[safe pelican]

Had enough time for one blitz game last night at like 1Am solid W… finally, Friyay now push through the weekend 🦦🙂‍↕️

[hidden moth]

Also with talent builds some that are used in high end add extra layers to the class that newer pvpers/ players would want to take as they would lose damage by not being able to get timings right etc
Imagine being a new rogue in PvP and trying to play the old ER mini game and not fumble the bag

[jaunty osprey]

in addition, the spec that other rogues might be running (sbs, deeper strat, no kingsbane) relies a lot more on your teammates to secure kills ans you just dot stuff

the pinned spec doesnt rely as much on your teammates to do damage

cause you can solo people if you catch them with no trinket

[midnight grove]

outlaw is poppin off in arena huh

[spring bough]

It is

what is there was a fourth rogue dps spec

what could we possibly think up for that

[stoic spruce]

Bounty Hunter

[candid tide]

spell rog

[spring bough]

kinda want it now so i can have 4 rogues on my warband mog with diff specs lol

[grave basin]

i keep catching Ws

[candid tide]

need to make dh 3rd spec first

[spring bough]

welcome to the club XD

[stoic spruce]

you mean delete dh right?

[spring bough]

delete DH give rogue back warglaive mog

there i said it

[stoic spruce]

real

[candid tide]

real

[spring bough]

dollar general rogues right there

[grave basin]

yestd headless horseman today infi timereaver

sheeeeeeeeeet

[stoic spruce]

sweet

[grave basin]

and yes delete DH

and let rogues mog warglaives

[stoic spruce]

should I play some wow or farm camos in CoD?

hm

I want to beat the easter egg in zombies tho

hmmmmmmmm

but

keys

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

assa

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[grave basin]

play wow with a bowl of stew

on the side

[spring bough]

assa >>>

[grave basin]

like god intended

[spring bough]

aoe silence OP asf for keys

[stoic spruce]

and doesnt have fatal flaws in the gameplay :D

[spring bough]

and so is sudden demise lol

every mob just poppin dead

[stoic spruce]

assa's playstyle around vanish was done correctly

[spring bough]

almost got my human sub rogue to 80 then gear out day

[stoic spruce]

also

Deathstalker Assa is peak wow rogue

you cannot get more rogue than that

unless you play undead

C:<

[grave basin]

but

but

[stoic spruce]

yes?

but??

[grave basin]

you could be playing the demo warlock

[spring bough]

night elf assa >>> for the extra stealth

[stoic spruce]

that would involve me playing a caster

[spring bough]

with supercharger

sin bleeds are so OP rn lol

[stoic spruce]

I mean in lore and stuff

what nelf rogue is there?

[grave basin]

not just any caster

the castiest of casters

[stoic spruce]

real

perhaps

I gotta pve first to learn it though

I wish I could play 2 games at once lol

[grave basin]

yea

but what do

when youre in a dk/war/ret lobby

[stoic spruce]

dk

[grave basin]

and youre the dog of the lob

[stoic spruce]

okay

[spring bough]

me

[stoic spruce]

1-49, I play wow. 50-100, I play CoD

wait we cant roll?

/roll 100

I thought it was a discord thing

[grave basin]

i rolled 3x in game and i got 85 85 86

so uh

cya

[noble hedge]

hey folks... for bgs as trickster sub, any thoughts on gloomblade, replicating shadows, deeper daggers and dark brew for more pressure via shadow dmg bypassing armor and keeping up dmg between bursts? CUQAA0tw2gAD7pPTLoW5IGZDeAAMz2MAAAAAAMbjxy0MAzwYMzMzMzMzMmtxMGLbjZGmZMGzsMGAAAAmBDbmtZMbzwYhhlZ2mWotZDG

[grave basin]

(dont leave us)

[stoic spruce]

wow time

I guess this means I gotta participate in #assassination outside of goofing off

:/

[celest tusk]

Supposing you are in deepwind george blitz bg as rogue(sub) and you sit farm defend and you know there is another sub inc to you..what is the best approach to defend your base vs another rogue?spam sap near eye or what?Gonna need NoTrickz to answer this prob xD

[stoic spruce]

me rn

[spring bough]

is it a sin push day for blitz

or solo

or an outlaw day

[spring bough]

DL hekili. rotation done lol

[stoic spruce]

whats the fun in that?

[spring bough]

helps you get the muscle memory down lol

[stoic spruce]

we trial by fire in this bish

I have a feeling it hasnt changed since bfa

[spring bough]

garrote, rupture, shiv, deathmark, envenom, KB rinse repeat

[stoic spruce]

I wish

I WISH

Everytime I change a talent

the extra posions would stop showing up on my action bars

like

I have the pop up window

screw off

[vocal surge]

Ranged Rogue spec lol

[spring bough]

would make sense. i mean why can we still mog ranged weps =/

[vocal surge]

Aye

[spring bough]

throwin star bow ability rogue lol

[vocal surge]

Technically it could be a hybrid of Melee/Ranged

[spring bough]

melee weave rogue

[stoic spruce]

deathstalker opens with ambush right?

[vocal surge]

The concept is there with Classic's Hunter having to melee weave with ranged weapon to maximize dps

[grave basin]

you still want to garrote

[stoic spruce]

right

[grave basin]

opening with ambush is just asking to get microd on your subterfuge

[stoic spruce]

that happens anyway

oh I see

garrote then ambush

[grave basin]

please coil/disarm/port away/blink/db me pleaseeeeeee

[vocal surge]

dont forget there was the Sub rogue in Legion that used a bow

[grave basin]

tfw meat potato carrot stew + wow + wife and the kids are away

is there a more comfy feel

[vocal surge]

Aye

Sounds like a good time

Yeee

It was Princess Tess Greymane who used a bow as a Sub rogue

[grave basin]

you will never have a venessa vancleaf to be your side aid for life

[vocal surge]

You could literally theme the 4th spec around Gilneas honestly lol

With the Bloodfang Pack and Godfrey being 2 different hero talents representative

could merge together as well

[grave basin]

yea but the safe fall artifact trait though

i mean why not baseline that

[vocal surge]

What you mean?

We're talking about a 4th rogue specialization concept

[grave basin]

there was a trait that made you take 0 fall damage

[languid ravine]

40% of players in my Epic BG are hunters

yes I counted them xd

nvm its closer to 30% UI skipped a few players

[grave basin]

tbf thats just epic BG things

even when bm isnt meta

[lime oar]

Assa getting real hate on the warr discord 😂

[jaunty osprey]

whaaz on stream talking about some outlaw tech that he and trill are hiding to do big damn

i just tuned in randomly

idk what he was talkin bout

[lime oar]

Sounds like bs

[vocal surge]

Could be Double Coup

That is +10 Flawless Form stacks instead of 5

Did he specify which hero talent it was from?

[lucid citrus]

He is running Fatebound with the build

[vocal surge]

probably running a dispatcher build

[lucid citrus]

But i wonder why he is running KIR for that build?

[stoic spruce]

for SD probably

if you take double SD, you gotta take KiR

[light peak]

hi, sry im new: when i hit 2,5k conquest should i buy daggers or the fist wepaons for the best stats? can use sub rogue fist weapons? i am sub rogue

[lime oar]

Daggers

[stoic spruce]

im pretty sure dbl dag

yeah

[dark kernel]

Trill is playing a KiR sinister strike build. It's very very hard to use

The idea is you have to have INSANE uptime on targets to get 5 proc dice, and then use KIR to pump the duration and keep adren rush going. If you can manage you can do about 3-4 adren rushes back to back with a second KIR.

You pretty much cannot do this in shuffle because it necessitates your healer and team being mega on top of dispelling you and keeping you on target. It probably would need an Hpal minimum for freedom.

[vocal surge]

Yeee, I figured this might've been the case

[potent pivot]

Yeah he’s just been testing KiR

[vocal surge]

Because Fatebound synergizes alot more with Dispatch

[potent pivot]

Nothing crazy

[vocal surge]

33% more chance on Dispatch to flip same coin, 3-4 adrenaline rushes means that Edge Case is popping off, Fate Intertwined.

Now the biggest thing is if he gets a lot of ARs back, imagine how many Vanishes he's getting for Double Jeopardy

[safe pelican]

That’s enough talking @vocal surge

You reveal anymore you gunna get outlaw nerfed shhhhh

[languid ravine]

how many Health points is 850 stamina? anybody know?

[torpid flame]

best rogue spec for rated bg blitz? rn im 1600 subtlety and i win games by being annoyingnasnfuck perma cheap shottingnpeople xd maby outlaw for group buffs will be beter to climb?

[potent pivot]

They’re all good

[proven field]

It's probably map dependent tbh - you can succeed with each and each bring benefits

Assa has some amazing spread pressure on maps like Kot and the burst potential to return flags quickly

Outlaw has fantastic mobility and solid burst as well; you run 4xHook with 1min sprint and you can basically run-cover half of AB

[torpid flame]

time to dust off my thunderfurries ;D

i tried assa but in duels 1v1 other rogue with veil talent just cloak my entire psn bleed setup its depressing;(

[proven field]

vanish blind reset and go again imo

make them burn cloak early and save burst for 2nd go

double vanish lets you be a complete monster - you not ready? That blind will take them out of combat then sap-stack them a bit

[safe pelican]

All the specs are good in bg but outlaw is really good for getting around the map with its mobility and still having the rogue kit ,,

Assa lets you be able to team fight more when that’s not really what rogue should be doing

Sub lets you do what you’ve been doing already basically

[blissful peak]

I want to be a sub player so bad but started playing wow recently and only played sustained dps so far (arms, enh), anyone know some good content to start? A lot of the guides out there for sub rogue assume 10 years of WoW experience and I'm still in the learning-what-abilities-classes-I-don't-play-have phase

Or is the honest answer there that I should not attempt sub until I'm out of that phase since it's so setup dependent lmao

[proven field]

If it were me, Assa is the least practice-dependant spec - so I would be hitting up BGBs and arena skirmishes as assa

Just to learn the flow, the responsibilities of rogues etc

[blissful peak]

That's good advice, is there a lot of carryover from assa onto sub? My endgoal is definitely being good at sub and not assa, but if it's a more accessible place to start

Maybe that's the move

[vocal surge]

17000

[languid ravine]

okay thanks thats never better than 250 movespeed :d

[vocal surge]

Also Outlaw normally hard counters Assa

Unless Assa is really overtuned

In a 1v1 scenario

[proven field]

I smoke every assa I run into in BGB as outlaw

[lime oar]

If you want to play sub I would just play sub. You want to build that muscle memory with your abilities, cc and your burst combos etc etc.

[proven field]

Ok I gave up and supercharged my KS

After one round with no vigor the verdict is...

It's fucking hilarious

[spring bough]

Hilariously good lol

[proven field]

Agreed

I feel starved occasionally - mainly because I am lower haste than i should be - but otherwise I am laughing the entire time

it honestly feels like 250 hits

[languid ravine]

while every assa you run into smokes half of your team

[potent pivot]

haste has very little to do with it

[proven field]

https://tenor.com/view/funpolice-erikstol-stevelemm-jaychandra-clubdread-gif-18830660

We just trying to have a good time on friday enjoying Outlaw, you two need to chill down and get in on it

[potent pivot]

i've been running no tea/vigor since before you knew outlaw existed

[proven field]

Oh I like this game

I've been Swords Combat since Dal Rend was BIS

[languid ravine]

I just used bop on my teammate while enemy was at 5% hp this is what playing Ret does to your ego it destroys your soul

and deletes all humanity

[proven field]

You are forgiven then

[vocal surge]

As Trickster ey?

[proven field]

Yeah

And when KS randomly doesn't do anything, that kills me

both literally and emotionally

[vocal surge]

Yeee

Trickster big fun lol

Have you tried Mastery out yet?

[spring bough]

Nothing like some deathmark 2.2m supercharger envenoms

[frosty citrus]

why does sub feel like such a shit spec rn

I cant do anything if shuffle

[spring bough]

Someone just gave me 50gold to pick a box

I’m about to hustle and become a multi millionaire in game now

[potent pivot]

buy some instead

there's some the drop like 545 ilvl gear with level 70req

like guaranteed drop, they're expensive pieces

[languid ravine]

back in my day I used to do HUGE raid dps and never get praise, but then one time I already had lockpick on my action bar and it took only 1 second and the guy was so proud of me thats when I knew Rogue was the class for me
(based on a true story)

[torpid flame]

we have this one girl in guild that gives me 20 box to open from time to time 😄 mostly from old raids

addon plumber makes you open boxes automatic when you are on rogue

[proven field]

Not yet, bit split on 2ndaries so far

[jaunty osprey]

they fixed it

no new level 70 gear from lockboxes are generated anymore at 545 ilvl

but old ones can stay

[potent pivot]

oh what

that's going to make the prices shoot up like mad

[jaunty osprey]

it was fixed

week 3

[proven field]

Which one of you hilarious idiots is this

https://tenor.com/view/pedro-pascal-academy-awards-oscars2023-oscars-im-watching-you-gif-27688479

[spring bough]

👀

[potent pivot]

sinnen

[spring bough]

I don’t remember that game what I do lol

Was that the WW map I just won on? Lol

[proven field]

Yeah, my team were just....

brutal

[spring bough]

Finally got a good team after losses all morning in blitz lol

[proven field]

Hunter just chose not to D mines repeatedly, other rogue felt personally obligated to break CC

https://tenor.com/view/pedicure-gif-7986387210100757930

[inland forum]

Is it realistic to switch to outlaw from sub with purely mastery gear?

[jaunty osprey]

anyone know why

all of my chars can see totem and pet nameplates

but one cant

even when minions is set to on

[potent pivot]

different CVar settings

[gleaming pawn]

Download Advanced Interface Options addon and look through the nameplate cvars

[potent pivot]

or different BBP settings

[jaunty osprey]

ugh

[potent pivot]

did you use elvui on that char ever?

[jaunty osprey]

i dont use Betterblizz plates

or

anything

nope

my ui is legit

the basic one

[potent pivot]

elvui will massively fuck up cvars

[potent pivot]

what plates are you using

default or addon

[jaunty osprey]

default

[potent pivot]

check these settings

[jaunty osprey]

ya it doesnt work

on this one rogue

idk why

[potent pivot]

then get advancedinterfaceoptions

and check the cvars

[halcyon timber]

Friggin shield totem thing isn’t showing up lately (agreed on what he was saying regarding that one)

[safe pelican]

Finally home fuckers

Time to get wrecked in blitz

[lament sedge]

What rogue spec is the easiest to learn for a new PvP'er?

[fallow rune]

Anyone got a macro for blind that uses mouse over?

[potent pivot]

that's very subjective

most people would say sin, but i'd recommend giving them all a shot

[potent pivot]

can find this easily with google

/cast [@mouseover,harm][] Blind```

[fallow rune]

Ty

[lament sedge]

Any websites you use for PvP knowledge of a spec?
Been playing sin in 4 arenas but im not sure what to do

[potent pivot]

can try to watch some streamers that play it, and practice on target dummies

[lament sedge]

Do you know if i open on one target as sin or do i apply dots on all 3 targets first?

[lament sedge]

Will do

[potent pivot]

you try to keep everyone bled as much as possible

without breaking cc etc

[lament sedge]

okay okay

[orchid plinth]

Just be aware that this macro will blind your target if you don't have a mouseover target. Can be confusing if you don't expect it.

[jaunty pollen]

Deathstalker or trickster for sub?

[potent pivot]

deathstalker is better burst

better defensive/utility wise as well

[jaunty pollen]

Okay thanks

[upper tree]

I dont know what this sin is, but wonder a thing playing ass. What prio is crimson tempest and do you find it necessary at all times before u pop kingsbane and that other thingie thing?

[potent pivot]

CT is pretty high prio when you can hit 2 or more targets

but garrote/rupture are generally higher prio

[upper tree]

Would you even bother with CT if all 3 targets are spread out?

[potent pivot]

If you have nothing else to do sure

Like if you don’t have anything that buffs envenom damage up, you can CT one target

[upper tree]

Envenom/CT? Or does it come down to necessity for quick burst or better rot dmg?

Got it, thanks @potent pivot

[potent pivot]

It’s just situational

You’ll get a feel for it over time prob

[safe pelican]

1st game was a W

Still have to figure out this belf racial

[spring bough]

someone whispered me "shit is braindead" after i went 5-1 on him in solo... and somehow thats a reportable statement LOL

do i double whammy 5-1, and click report LMAO

[safe pelican]

2-1 just lost was almost 3-0

have people on my team saying let them win

im not letting anyone win you fool

[wild wigeon]

QQ guys... do pve trinkets even matter?

[potent pivot]

huh

[potent pivot]

no. you will get banned again...

[wild wigeon]

trying to figure out which trinket to run

aside from medallion

[potent pivot]

for.. pvp...? pvp trinkets

[spring bough]

why would i he sent me abusive language lool

[potent pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/hole-karma-vox-gif-19987950

[wild wigeon]

So medallion and primary stat?

[potent pivot]

what spec are you playing

[wild wigeon]

was playing sin but going to try sub

[potent pivot]

it's either medallion+insignia or medallion+badge

[wild wigeon]

was having a hard time

[potent pivot]

buy badge

if you play our newer assa build badge is quite decent

[spring bough]

just ripped a 9/10 BTEs as crits lol

[potent pivot]

sub only plays badge

[spring bough]

going HAM in solo rn as outlaw

did a milly dps just now lol

[potent pivot]

yer gon walk da plank fer yer liez

yer no loaofdamage

[safe pelican]

Send ss or its 🧢

[potent pivot]

even whaazz earlier, it was hilarious

"no rogue will ever do the damage i am doing right now ever again"

(he was doing 700k on triple target cleave with a 5 roll)

GUYS

WATCH THIS CLIP

https://www.twitch.tv/whaazz/clip/SolidBlazingCasetteKippa-8HWpwg3YMwERDlMO?filter=clips&range=24hr&sort=time

[wild wigeon]

prob a stupid question but best way to sim for arenas just going off patch ST?

[potent pivot]

you can't sim for pvp

at all

[wild wigeon]

I dont have a sub load out in pve at all currently lol

guess it doesnt matter anyway

[potent pivot]

there's a couple builds linked in the pins

[wild wigeon]

yee

[potent pivot]

everything else you can just check

murlok.io

[hidden moth]

heads up lads

be careful transfering timewalking badges

i just lost 7k

[potent pivot]

20 second match tho that’s why :d

[potent pivot]

O damn

[hidden moth]

looked into it and multipul people have lost theirs transfering via warband

one dude lost 56k badges

[spring bough]

still did a milly before the match ended and the deatails updated lol

mage getting DELETED

[hidden moth]

and blizz is saying "we have gotten bug reports and will be looking into it but for the time being we have no way of giving the badges back"

[potent pivot]

Yep

[hidden moth]

so uh dont try to xfer timewarped badges rn ig

[potent pivot]

Anything lost to warband mechanics is gg

[hidden moth]

its so dumb man

[potent pivot]

I don’t put anything I’m afraid to lose in the warband bank

[hidden moth]

its not the bank thats the issue its the currency transfer

[potent pivot]

Early on after launch a lot of people’s entire warband banks got deleted

Naw it’s the bank too lol

In general, not right this second

I only put random BoA gear and cheap BoE shit in my warband bank

All my mats/expensive items go into my personal guild bank

[spring bough]

60% KS killing blow LMAO

[potent pivot]

No one pressed a single ability

[spring bough]

this frost mage went 0-6

lol

[potent pivot]

[spring bough]

he alrready blocked

before that KS

i hit him with a milly BTE crrit before all that too

[safe pelican]

2-2

blitz is so dumb lol teammats dont even know how to play the bg

think i gotta go back to shuffle

[spring bough]

somehow ive lost 2 blitz games this week and 0 rating lol

and im up 50 frrom tuesday lol

[vocal surge]

This is baby damage

compare to what Trickster does in 3 target cleave

I was doing 3M DPS in 3s

Sinnen and Ras-MoonGuard (from Azeroth Special Forces guild) can attest to that

[potent pivot]

sounds good

there's just zero shot it's sustained in any sense of the word

[vocal surge]

It was sustained for a good while

It was so much DPS you saw people drop 100 to 10 at the same time

[jaunty osprey]

rip cant sit anymore, i think val is about to queue

[potent pivot]

you know there's weeks to go right?

[jaunty osprey]

YA

BUT STILL

[rocky snow]

whats the fastest way to farm out an honor set?

[potent pivot]

just do BGs

do your pvp weekly quests

grab world pvp crates if you can

[strange jetty]

Whats the strat for capping bases on hunters as sub rogue? The normal sap->smoke->blind doesn’t leave much room against pets

[potent pivot]

kill em

[spring bough]

lucky..... pika pushed outlaws to freaking 2574

[safe pelican]

Gotta win my next blitz Yo so i was 2-1, then we get twin peaks i cap the first flag by myself with help of a disc priest and a lock using quad hook and we still lose , i grabbed the 2nd flag though then went to fight with their efc i think that was dumb cause they killed me and capped , but nobody else on my team was grabbing the flag either no dedicated fc just yolo

The lack of strategy in these low rated bgs irks me

[sterile prairie]

What talents outlaw run for PvP?

[potent pivot]

check the pins, or check murlok.io

[sterile prairie]

bet ty

Is combat stamina really not worth taking anymore?

[potent pivot]

it's good

[sterile prairie]

how come most people aint taking it anymore? just not worth the dps loss?

[potent pivot]

it's a tiny dps loss

it's prolly better to take it if you're a beginner at outlaw

just for the extra tankyness

[sterile prairie]

i figured thats def for me then XD any idea what talent to trade it for ?

swift slasher?

[potent pivot]

that or loaded dice yeah

you can also swap