ele is disgusting
#pvp
hard compass
potent pivot
I mean, you want to have enough vers as well but otherwise sure
potent pivot
You’re prolly fine, but I’d just copy someone’s gear like Nahj
Just ignore his 4 set if he’s still wearing it, he went 4p for sin
lusty epoch
As outlaw if u wanna use ur cds in stealh u need play trikcster fatebound remove stealh instant as im using adrenalinanrush
potent pivot
As outlaw if u wanna use ur cds in stealh u need play trikcster fatebound remove...
You don’t need to adrenaline rush in stealth anymore
That’s pointless now
potent pivot
lmfao have you guys seen BM lately
It was supposedly hot fixed
outer sky
it's doing a stupid amount of damage
orchid plinth
I for one will enjoy this week of beta testing 
potent pivot
Afaik they didn’t restart servers so any hunter that hasn’t logged out since the fix is still abusing the bug
Bug was ridiculous
Deleting entire teams in a couple seconds
lusty epoch
You don’t need to adrenaline rush in stealth anymore
Why?:D
I used adrelina rush combo for slice and dice
potent pivot
I used adrelina rush combo for slice and dice
Think about it
Why are you pressing Slice and Dice
You can take that shit off your bars
lusty epoch
Think about it
I dont get it xD
Every outlaw im watchibg using it xD include drdagger
topaz bobcat
maybe to keep it active if cc-ed/snared for too long for the heal
and outlaw isn't energy starved is it
steep loom
It's nice to have for cdr in down times. It's most likely a bug. But with supercharger and 1 cp, I cast snd like 5 or 6 times in a row. And the super charger never went away. Let me get like 30-45 seconds off my cds
dapper chasm
is there a neat list with all these changes?
hard compass
Just ignore his 4 set if he’s still wearing it, he went 4p for sin
Yeah I need to replace my tier chest then im gucci
hidden moth
It's nice to have for cdr in down times. It's most likely a bug. But with superc...
bc super charger doesnt affect snd
damaging finishing moves... snd doesnt do damage
also no reason to have snd on ur bars
dapper chasm
so there is no variance?
hidden moth
@dapper chasm it shows ur cps with the x 1 per charge of super charger u have. as u use them they fade out right to left
nope
well yeah. there is variance if u have a supercharger buff u have a cp with an x
but to use the supercharge buff u dont need to land ur finisher on the x
dapper chasm
this will be a nightmare on WAs
kind quartz
bruh
there is noway they let outlaws have 4x grapple hook
that is going to get so damn nerfed for bg's
hidden moth
this will be a nightmare on WAs
Ig, u should just know that u have 2 charges when u shiv
so just count ur finishers
kind quartz
i didn't want this grapple shit to go live because they are clearly going to just completely gut the talent and i'll have lost a mobility skill just so they can make something so good it gets disabled
hidden moth
there is noway they let outlaws have 4x grapple hook
u only get 2
hidden moth
echoing reprimand had a tiny bit more thought
only bc u had to play a mini game, which u dont have to play anymore
kind quartz
yeah and the distance is disgusting
hidden moth
2
kind quartz
hidden moth
i meant 2 mt
kind quartz
you get to 4x with this
dapper chasm
only bc u had to play a mini game, which u dont have to play anymore
yes, but i secretly enjoy making the WAs
kind quartz
but the mobility is so powerful this is just going to get removed
or it's going to be blocked from use while holding a flag/objective item and also won't even have step now
so its a massive loss
hidden moth
yes, but i secretly enjoy making the WAs
im sure u can just tweak the one u had for er already
hidden moth
but the mobility is so powerful this is just going to get removed
doubt, its not monk bad
dapper chasm
nah, not at all
candid tide
kalvish hitting 4m evis on dums wth
ocean cobalt
Bruh i don't even play retail anymore what the fuck 
kind quartz
monk is only relevant when there is a ledge to fling off of with momentum
pres evo is much better in general
now outlaw is just better than both
as far as distance is concerned
either of course can take an absurd beating
candid tide
outlaw is better than sub and sin?
kind quartz
talking about flag/objective mobility
candid tide
ah yes
kind quartz
the distance you go with 4x hook is huge
gusty hedge
pinged the dollar store tricks.
kind quartz
this hook change probably eats a pvp gut at the same time they touch new ele ascend
ocean cobalt
pinged the dollar store tricks. <:kekdog:907207037757296710> <:kekdog:9072070377...
Your moms a dollar store, the fuck you calling me names for now, i'm the one being pinged by a random 
gusty hedge
Your moms a dollar store, the fuck you calling me names for now, i'm the one bei...
change your name or gtfoh 
Dollar store tricks
ocean cobalt
change your name or gtfoh <:OMEGAKEKW:829051106361344021> Dollar store tricks
You can't even spell my name right either 
B+ for effort though
gusty hedge
zzz for sleep bb
ocean cobalt
zzz for sleep bb
ocean cobalt
You seem to know alot about dollars, quite fixated on it tbh. Must be shopping there on a daily basis aye?
gusty hedge
Dollar store tricks didnt think id have to explain U aint the real tricks, obv the guy pinged u by mistake. Hence the dollar store reference
Why so salty dollar store?
hidden moth
bm too strong
ocean cobalt
Dollar store tricks didnt think id have to explain<:OMEGAKEKW:829051106361344021...
I mean you're the guy that still keeps talking? I was just minding my own business, then you joined in on a conversation that had nothing to do with you, calling me "dollar store tricks" (fyi it's Trickz, not "Tricks")
Sorry that you're so bored on a wednesday that you just have to be the usual discord gangster, that has to act tough online. I'm just gonna block you, ain't worth the time or effort anymore, i'll just be losing chromosomes at this point talking to you 
gusty hedge
I mean you're the guy that still keeps talking? I was just minding my own busine...
So salty and defensive for no reason. its best you do block and keep the crying to yourself. Discussion is up for anyone that is chat, If you dnt want anyone to comment take that shit to your Dm.
hidden moth
kings bane is so strange to play around ngl
hidden moth
how is sub
popin
hard compass
sub is growing on me a lot
celest tusk
Flagellation talent supposed to be 1 min cd now or im wrong?
wanton breach
you are wrong, it's still 90s
only shadowblades got it's CD reduced to line up with flagellation in pve
pliant mauve
YouTube literally recommended a video for me yesterday on how to do it
candid tide
pls look ur history
pliant mauve
One sec
candid tide
found it i think
pliant mauve
Ok cool. I can’t find it. I only watched one where they make the dps meter go there and look sort of like that.
orchid plinth
anybody know which addon this is ?
The default UI? Unless you mean the tiny bars to the right which is the addon "Capping".
candid tide
The default UI? Unless you mean the tiny bars to the right which is the addon "C...
the reamining time for the 4 base caps
not the capping addon idd
that one is weird
warped gate
anybody know which addon this is ?
Is that DeadlyBossMods PvP?
candid tide
Is that DeadlyBossMods PvP?
it seems to be an ingame setting
warped gate
It looks like it yeah, but there is skins you can add to make it look like that.
I got a skin that makes my Details look like it’s part of the default ui.
candid tide
i asked around but the guy didnt gave further information other than its a ingame setting
narrow tangle
how do you pilay new rogueurere
sterile vale
Any guides for outlaw in shuffle? I keep RtB, SnD and BtE up but my dmg is very low 😦
Maybe I need full crit gear to actually do dmg?
languid ravine
BM hunter damage still feels bugged, two globals and I m at 20%
lone anvil
GUYS
halcyon timber
Killshot is nasty to fight against. They did say they have more tuning and stuff otw this week
lone anvil
I was LoSing the pillars hard. I got like 4 re stealths. I kept interrupting him when he tried to eat or drink
It went on forever
But I fucked him up
halcyon timber
Harry potter stuff is cool , didn’t play the game but it looked pretty sick
Rets DSing out of a bop is pretty unga bunga
orchid plinth
the reamining time for the 4 base caps
Isn't that just the default UI??
candid tide
Isn't that just the default UI??
yep it is idd
orchid plinth
It only in Blitz
jolly sierra
@surreal barn speaking of brairot clssses, i went w the ret yesterday and did the skirmish weekly in like 30m in leveling gear solo
narrow tangle
guys im too confused
jolly sierra
the forb bubble is broken af
narrow tangle
back to feral i guess
surreal barn
<@210567247503032320> speaking of brairot clssses, i went w the ret yesterday an...
lol
ohpee
jolly sierra
ye, dumb class, didnt used neither conq weps or embelishments
so imagine when i get them
surreal barn
They could have done a better job with these bloodfang shoulders
Imo
I guess you can technically mix and match the pieces
sterile vale
Just opened my holy paladin. Hello Blizzard balance team?
They have Orc Hardiness now
candid tide
aye lets try fotm ele
gleaming pawn
It’s truly amazing how badly they continue to brick their game with every update
warped gate
It only in Blitz
Ahhh, that makes sense, I never do Blitz.
lone anvil
Hey guys Ive been running into an issue that is kind of confounding me.
When I first got back into WoW I purchased a gaming mouse with 12 programmable buttons to help with my keybinds. I only use 9 of them but then I also use the same 9 with a shift modifier so it helps with 18 of my binds.
then recently, with the help of some of you I downloaded the Skill Cap UI. which has helped tremendously (thank you)
recently ive noticed when I log in sometimes the skill cap UI wont be working or my keybinds wont be working or both.
Ill go to my keybinds in game and they are still set to what they should be....ill open up my gaming mouse app to make sure the buttons are still attached to the right keyboard keys and they are
and sometimes if i reset my computer a few times the problem goes away and everything works.
but other times I reset everything and my UI and keybinds are still broke
Can anyone tell me why this may be?
orchid plinth
What are your mouse buttons mapped to? Numpad buttons? Might be a Numlock issue.
grave basin
actually insane that there are freaks on NA still bug abusing bm
that havent logged off yet
lone anvil
What are your mouse buttons mapped to? Numpad buttons? Might be a Numlock issue.
F9-F12
And then keys like [, ], :, ' , >, ?
orchid plinth
F9-F12
And then keys like [, ], :, ' , >, ?
Do you have multiple inputs in Windows? Like US and some other?
lone anvil
Do you have multiple inputs in Windows? Like US and some other?
I am not smart enough to know what that means
quaint cedar
I haven't logged in yet. So how broken is this patch? Sounds like very from what I've seen so far lol
Oh yeah. I just checked outlaw channel pins and we have a bunch of bugs. Cool!
gusty hedge
Can anyone tell me why this may be?
do you have option to have profiles on your gaming mouse? it could be profile switched by accident
lone anvil
I'll look into that. I just tried restarting it
lone anvil
do you have option to have profiles on your gaming mouse? it could be profile sw...
I uninstalled and reinstalled my mouse app and it's working now
gusty hedge
I uninstalled and reinstalled my mouse app and it's working now
nice! you good to go now, back in action
surreal barn
Active on Mm too btw
So many bugs. I already got that ugly enchant so I might just call it till next season 😂
elder rapids
We got an ideal opener rotation for sub yet? Struggling to hit more than a 3m evis!
solar glacier
can you explain that? Does that mean you want to evis on last mark stack to have 30% empowered evis with darkest?
worthy crag
Depends
If you have finality up and 1 mark left, you can sec tech to access darkest night and then evis
If yoi have 1 mark left and no finality, then you do evis x2
or do a 1 cp evis just to get finality up and then sec tech for ideal burst
surreal barn
If you have finality up and 1 mark left, you can sec tech to access darkest nigh...
Yep, made a weakaura conditional for it
Makes DFA glow lol
worthy crag
Then there are alternative solutions where you can 5 cp rupture to get rid of the 1 remaining mark or cancelaura finality at 1 mark etc
Its kinda convoluted but it allows for maximizing burst potential
I honestly havent looked closely at max evis values
or dfa for that matter
Interesting, nahj did ditch dark brew to make room for shadowcraft and took x2 symbol charge talent
I theorycrafted on that prepatch but didnt expect anyone to really do it
surreal barn
It works
I’d say what I miss most is the vanish bringing back shadowstep
Really makes mages harder to kill without it
worthy crag
yeah just dont touch mages if they are running blink
hoary aurora
General question but what would sub rogue pvp opener/rotation look like in new patch?
sharp sierra
anyone having issues with bg blitz? as winning and not getting the new rating and the win counted as loss?
fervent cobalt
Interesting, nahj did ditch dark brew to make room for shadowcraft and took x2 s...
It's really good. I don't fe much dps loss on losing dark brew
worthy crag
Yeah dark brew is kinda meh now since we no longer take lingering darkness
waxen meteor
lime oar
so stupid man
waxen meteor
so stupid man
imagine he still has two instant trigger not shot out yet
lyric onyx
Seems fine to me
worthy crag
no wonder deathwing got clapped by thrall
potent pivot
Every outlaw im watchibg using it xD include drdagger
Slice and Dice automatically procs from Dispatch now man. Stop pressing adrenaline rush and slice from stealth.
atomic adder
Hehehe just a cool 5+ mil in 1.2 seconds ez
solar glacier
or do a 1 cp evis just to get finality up and then sec tech for ideal burst
I didnt know evis and secret count as the same finisher didnt even know you could buff anything besides evis and dfa
With Finality
potent pivot
I didnt know evis and secret count as the same finisher didnt even know you coul...
They don’t
You can secret if you already have a finality evis buff up so that you don’t waste the finality evis buff IF if you are still knocking out a Deathstalkers Mark
solar glacier
So lets say i have the 3 mark stacks and do rupture - secret- evis - evis are secret and 2nd evis buffed or how does it work
Ah i see
potent pivot
You want to have finality buffed evis line up with darkest night
It’s not a difficult concept
You just have to think about how many finishers you need to use to consume your Marks
solar glacier
Yeah Thats why i Said it in that order but i guess u could swap st with first evis
potent pivot
And how many evis for Finality to be up
Like a fresh opener, it’s 2 evis
But some goes later on you might already be sitting on a finality buff
solar glacier
Yeah gotcha
Would maybe just cancelaura it then to always have the exact Same Setup or sth like that
But evis finality works with dfa right?
potent pivot
You shouldn’t no
worthy crag
There are times i cancelaura the finality buff
to evis again and get back the buff when im at 1 mark
if sec is on cd etc
solar glacier
You shouldn’t no
How could u guarantee it then? Just 3 evis back to back to have it again with darkest?
potent pivot
Because if you start a go with finality already up 1 extra evis before darkest night is all it takes
That or rupture sec tech then evis
I’ve never cancel aura’d finality and have always been able to do it
That just sounds troll
solar glacier
Yeah gotcha with the concept but if i start with finality and have 3 finishers to do until i get darkest i can only have 2 evis + st into big Evis or 3 evis or 1 evis 1 rupture 1 st into evis
worthy crag
you need to build cp again if you want to kidney
whereas if you cancel the buff you keep the cp and just go right away
solar glacier
And the latest one wouldnt even work lol
worthy crag
You just gotta plan out what youll press based on what cds and buff you have at 1 mark
solar glacier
Yeah sure
worthy crag
Ideally you want to have finality at 1 mark if you have sec tech off cd
otherwise dont have finality at 1 mark
solar glacier
Yeah for danse stacks
worthy crag
thats the simplest way to put it I think
solar glacier
St into darkest evis
worthy crag
yeah
solar glacier
When i tested stuff out today including trickster i had some pretty huge secret techs with that
And around 4.8 mil eviscerates with ds on dummy
Without tea*
Is playing without 2nd vanish or even without subterfuge a thing?
worthy crag
just for meme one shot cheese
solar glacier
Gotta try that in 2s
potent pivot
Any guides for outlaw in shuffle? I keep RtB, SnD and BtE up but my dmg is very ...
You don’t have to press SnD anymore. Type !stats to read about stats
potent pivot
why do we grab shadowcraft
Because it’s good
worthy crag
Without shadowcraft some of the double SS + finisher combos will go at 6 cp
which is bad
also enables some back to back max cp finishers while symbols up
its just more fluid
potent pivot
Last night getting used to shadowcraft was weird
sterile vale
You don’t have to press SnD anymore. Type !stats to read about stats
Oh pog right! Thanks!
potent pivot
It may have just been lag but sometimes the proc felt delayed
potent pivot
Hunter is still broken
waxen meteor
a few specs are really broken now
stoic spruce
Broken as in unplayable or broken as in super strong? Find out tonight at 11 :D
sterile vale
yes but why does Pala gets 20% stun reduction. Also are there orc palas?
waxen meteor
yes but why does Pala gets 20% stun reduction. Also are there orc palas?
there are also bugs like this
worthy crag
its 10% in pvp
and no orcs dont have palas
prob why devs gave the talent in the first place
waxen meteor
stoic spruce
https://discord.com/channels/124169701881282560/226359213427916800/1298727756070...
I would've left lol
Even if I wasn't the one dead
sterile vale
Can't wait for double jump, melding palas next
waxen meteor
I would've left lol
I heard now there's another bug related to ''ve left'
if anyone quits ss, all 6 get deserter debuff...
plucky escarp
wow 2 incoming
safe pelican
If i get deserter buff it’s meant for me to get off the game and touch grass not deterred
Full speed ahead men
potent pivot
/castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null
/cqs
Peak gameplay keep it as is blizz
potent pivot
That macro should help if anyone is double pressing symbols on accident
Ik a couple ppl asked yesterday
lyric onyx
Was about to ask what it was for legend thank you trickz
potent pivot
It also works for Tea
Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:
/cast Shiv
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null
Like this
sterile vale
Why reset 5?
sterile vale
69 it is then
potent pivot
You’d only macro it to shiv for sin
For other specs you’d put Tea in a macro similar to the Symbols macro
worthy crag
sure if you wanna use one shiv every 69 sec
potent pivot
yeh you might want to keep it 10 or less
sterile vale
Bold of you to assume my shuffle rounds last more than 69 sec. I die in the opener usually
worthy crag
Have you tried lining the bm pets?
potent pivot
apparently they just sent an update
surreal barn
I’d say you should
But you don’t have to
Also, Zanaken - trickster slaps right now
dapper chasm
Why reset 5?
After Shiv is pressed, the button changes to Thistle Tea for 5 seconds
I still don't know all the changes, got a link?
potent pivot
sec
potent pivot
I still don't know all the changes, got a link?
dapper chasm
Thanks
waxen meteor
this change has too much content
happy reading
and it leads to multiple super heroes
waxen meteor
i am not sure if they break anything in pve too
potent pivot
they did
dapper chasm
and it leads to multiple super heroes
I don't bother reading other classes - that's just spoilers
surreal barn
mm does it too
stoic spruce
WoW
surreal barn
The phantom hits
stoic spruce
More like the phantom shits
dapper chasm
Not sure I like the new tea
I'm a fan of one-less-button but this is one-less-button-sometimes
potent pivot
you can still press it
surreal barn
Wait what
potent pivot
you kinda should still be pressing it
surreal barn
You can
dapper chasm
That's what I just said
potent pivot
LMFAO
surreal barn
I DONT READ CHAT
dapper chasm
THAT'S WHAT I SAID
potent pivot
T.W.O. W.E.E.K.S
plain blade
How is sub without sepsis?
potent pivot
it was just a filler button that happened to give a port strike
dapper chasm
The free stealth move ends up being ambush 99%
plucky escarp
weird. I did two rounds of a solo shuffle, won both, the second round ended, the reloading screen came up, I am in dornogal and haven't lost any rating
and I can't get back into the arena
wtf
plucky escarp
: l
dapper chasm
Who made the pinned builds? They suck ass
dapper chasm
Was it you?
potent pivot
Who made the pinned builds? They suck ass
you obviously have no idea what you're talking about
so i won't take that personally
dapper chasm
I was theory crafting 20 years ago
plain blade
So sub is still best for burst dmg?
plain blade
Thinking of making a 5 man gank crew for epic bg
dapper chasm
The FINISHER BUILD?
potent pivot
So sub is still best for burst dmg?
all 3 specs are good but sub has the best burst yeah
dapper chasm
Shadowcraft over Rotten?
potent pivot
Only 6cp build?
yes because Tea is good
stoic spruce
That's only because sub players don't shower
potent pivot
Rotten is dogshit rn
dapper chasm
yes because Tea is good
Then get both
waxen meteor
i am killed by sub one shot everytime yesterday in blitz
plain blade
Can someone survive 5 sub rogue opener? 🤣
potent pivot
Then get both
supercharger is broken as fuck
dapper chasm
This build seems like it doesn't know what it wants
waxen meteor
basically i think in blitz you always have shadow blade on
and i always don't have trinket
potent pivot
Can someone survive 5 sub rogue opener? 🤣
most people can't survive a 1 sub rogue opener right now mate
waxen meteor
one shotted 3-4 times -.-
potent pivot
This build seems like it doesn't know what it wants
yes it does 5m eviscerates
dapper chasm
Flagellation is a trap choice
And you fell for it
Why even have 2 charges of vanish now?
potent pivot
flag+supercharger is disgusting
dapper chasm
Yeah, loads of stuff is on paper
potent pivot
no
lone anvil
I just got into a shuffle with 3 shamans
waxen meteor
what's flag cd now
potent pivot
stop talking about it until you try it
dapper chasm
I was getting T2 weps in arena 20 years ago
potent pivot
what's flag cd now
the same
potent pivot
As an expert, I can say these builds are as polished as coal
tell that to all the people i've killed in a cheapshot
dapper chasm
NoTrickz, you're washed up at build making - just retire
potent pivot
dapper chasm
Your builds are weak, and effeminate
potent pivot
dapper chasm
Also, as the nail in the coffin -
If your builds are so fire - why does sub have TWO BUILDS?
Even you are honest to yourself and admit you don't understand the strength of sub
potent pivot
really it has like 4
topaz bobcat
5 mil evis on naked ppl?
potent pivot
bruh
dapper chasm
dw, Nuv, NoTrickz is just MAD
potent pivot
this is starting to get annoying
topaz bobcat
can u show ur stats plz?
topaz bobcat
i meant vers and mastery
dapper chasm
let me see this shit on the dummy
potent pivot
if you perform it correctly it should still slap
topaz bobcat
ppl don't know they should wall flag maybe
potent pivot
it doesn't matter
topaz bobcat
5+ mil is insane tho ngl
dapper chasm
I'm getting 2mill crits on dummy
potent pivot
i've killed through almost every wall in the game by now
topaz bobcat
yes I'm getting low crits too way lower than that
potent pivot
besides full immunities
topaz bobcat
but as i said i have outlaw/ass rogue gear
potent pivot
are you consuming Darkest Night with a Supercharged evis?
and lining up your Finality with it as well?
topaz bobcat
I'll have to pay more attention will try on dummy
potent pivot
you have a lot of modifiers to stack
dapper chasm
How am I getting 2millish with trinket/blades/tea/symbols/danse/dance
Where's the extra 150% damage?
potent pivot
full Flag+Darkest Night+Finality
dapper chasm
tick tick tick
dapper chasm
thoroughly
potent pivot
potent pivot
yes
stoic spruce
thoroughly
Yuck
dapper chasm
I'll check again with a damage meter up, maybe I lost it in the combat log
hard compass
most i've had on a player so far is 1.5 but I havent had a perfect go yet
potent pivot
but 90s goes that are that strong are insane
enjoy it while you can
before it's nerfed into the ground again
dapper chasm
Says 2.6mill here
potent pivot
hmm idk
dapper chasm
Curious
potent pivot
it definitely works
dapper chasm
Even your PHOTOSHOP isn't 5.5mill
sonic siren
Which Hero Talents are actually the best as sub?
potent pivot
Which Hero Talents are actually the best as sub?
both are good
sub is so broken right now it doesn't matter what you play
candid tide
dang really
potent pivot
as long as you have flag and supercharger
sonic siren
do u Play with Tea or with Double vanish?
candid tide
time to go bak on rogue main
dapper chasm
New echoing reprimand seems good
But I'm 99% certain we're gonna be running deeper strat
sonic siren
Do u farm flagellation stacks before stun and bursting?
candid tide
what is the new burst rotation now with flag?
potent pivot
then cheapshot your actual KT when you have stacks
no one is going to post a rotation
candid tide
: D
dapper chasm
I did like 5 burst on the dummy back to back - no way in hell you got 5.5mill crits
potent pivot
you just press buttons and try to line up your buffs
potent pivot
darkest night+finality+supercharger
dapper chasm
Supercharger doesn't effect evis
potent pivot
what
candid tide
supercharge gonna get nerfed in a week
candid tide
Supercharger doesn't effect evis
oh what
sonic siren
I got 4.x mill on Dummy, with around 150% mastery and darkest might + super charged point
dapper chasm
I got 4.x mill on Dummy, with around 150% mastery and darkest might + super char...
Same, so 5.5 million seems....
How to put this...
A FILTHY LIE
potent pivot
nahj is saying it isn't working today
candid tide
rogue hit harder than demolish warrior now
potent pivot
maybe we got stealth nerfed already
dapper chasm
dfa?
dapper chasm
No, you misunderstand, I PLAYED rogue 20 years ago
I'm just back
Afer a short break
potent pivot
please leave again
potent pivot
dapper chasm
sonic siren
Lol, nahj made his rogue to a dragon
potent pivot
Lol, nahj made his rogue to a dragon
just for fun ye
topaz bobcat
more mastery
worthy crag
Lmao sac is bugged on hpals, I knew I noticed sac popping up every 15 sec
potent pivot
glide doesn't matter
worthy crag
He already made it clear hes switching back
dapper chasm
Jesus, focused attacks go hard during symbols - back to back finishers
potent pivot
Lmao sac is bugged on hpals, I knew I noticed sac popping up every 15 sec
yeah auto sac is ignoring the CD or some shit
dapper chasm
The fuck is this?!
potent pivot
Jesus, focused attacks go hard during symbols - back to back finishers
focused attacks?
or you mean shadowcraft
dapper chasm
focused attacks?
Maybe?
potent pivot
The fuck is this?!
ye we drop it
dapper chasm
The one where you store CPs
potent pivot
shadow techniques
dapper chasm
Oh, yeah, that's 100% cooler
Says shadow and everything
Focused attacks was just confusing to the zoomers
potent pivot
ye shadowcraft makes shadow techniques go hard
dapper chasm
Would still prefer Rotten
topaz bobcat
can u guys not get rogue nerfed for a week plz
dapper chasm
I like things that standardise bursts
worthy crag
rotten is rotten
potent pivot
it would happen either way
topaz bobcat
yea just del pinned message give ppl a bad build
potent pivot
you act like this is the main place people get builds
most people get them from nahj/kalv etc
daring ibex
I do since drustvar and everything is fucked rn
topaz bobcat
i thought wowhead which prolly written by someone here
delicate patrol
How’s sub after the changes boys ?
candid tide
flag doesnt even combo with SB to get to 7 cp
dapper chasm
most people get them from nahj/kalv etc
What's that?
potent pivot
i thought wowhead which prolly written by someone here
wowhead stopped doing pvp specific stuff afaik
daring ibex
I came here for some enlightment
potent pivot
What's that?
streamers
lime oar
im still mad lost with this new flag build
topaz bobcat
potent pivot
I came here for some enlightment
there's some builds in the pins, likely to change over the next week or two
daring ibex
I started Sub rogue recently and i admit i have trouble grasping the arcane of this technology, specially after this patch
tawdry imp
what's the rotation to show off whether this flag stuff is broken or not?
potent pivot
i'd recommend watching kalvish or nahj's VODs from yesterday
there's no set rotation
daring ibex
Ill pay a visit
dapper chasm
Flag seems like something to press early
potent pivot
ye you have to ramp it up
dapper chasm
Like on the opener when you're getting slice up and saying hi
potent pivot
then do your go
dapper chasm
When did "burst" become "go"?
potent pivot
you know slice is auto now right Zan
daring ibex
there's no set rotation
Some palumor guy made a opener rotation guide for deathstalker and it helped me a lot, but i dont think its still relevant
potent pivot
Some palumor guy made a opener rotation guide for deathstalker and it helped me ...
nah i wouldn't waste your time on YT
it's always either wrong or outdated
tawdry imp
never used flagellation, the 12 seconds it talks about, is that before you used it or after?
potent pivot
oh boy
you build to max cp->flag->spend cp
after you press flag you have 12 seconds to spend cp to build stacks
then you have 12 seconds with those stacks
safe pelican
mhmmm i didnt see a single MM nerf lets get it
lime oar
You still have the stacks applied to you during the first 12 sec? Or only after
safe pelican
hows rogue feeling right now ?
potent pivot
You still have the stacks applied to you during the first 12 sec? Or only after
iirc yes
radiant glen
hows rogue feeling right now ?
big
safe pelican
got 1.40/1.79 gigs done gotta test hunter out first if i dont go 3-3 or better ill get on assa rusty on sub rn
potent pivot
hunter and ele are still more broken than rogue afaik
radiant glen
hunter and ele are still more broken than rogue afaik
i respect the sandbag
safe pelican
hunter and ele are still more broken than rogue afaik
radiant glen
rogue is awful please nerf ele they r so stronk
potent pivot
i respect the sandbag
i'm not
safe pelican
Ele is king dps rn ?
dapper chasm
So annoying that I can't quickly double vanish to reset CDs at dummy
potent pivot
nah
topaz bobcat
assa is murdering it in pve
potent pivot
nahj thinks sub may have already been stealth nerfed i think
topaz bobcat
well i tried not getting 5.5mil evis
safe pelican
assa really didnt get any hard nerfs the tea thing really isnt THAT bad for assa at least in arena
in pve i could see more of an issue
potent pivot
it doesn't matter in pve either
potent pivot
well i tried not getting 5.5mil evis
yeh idk i haven't played yet today
ik for a fact it was easily possible yesterday
safe pelican
Assa Tribe we ride at dusk
potent pivot
Maybe something was double dipping and got stealth hotfixed
candid tide
lmao wtf is this shit
i lost 0-6
and no rating loss
hunters seems broken or bugged
potent pivot
Both
lime oar
Mm too? Or just bm
potent pivot
Both
dapper chasm
With Deathstalker's Mark to worry about, this shit is getting really messy to juggle
tepid scarab
man, yeah
dapper chasm
Blizzard doing different arenas to me it seems - they call their swaps 2 minutes earlier
This will further push apart normal arena with VC and shuffle
And make PvE'rs think they can PvP
gleaming pawn
Just play Trickster and hit that Supercharged Coup de Grace on a fazed target
dapper chasm
While I got you guys - what the sweet fuck is the difference between these alchemy abilities?
Seem exactly the same
topaz bobcat
they def did smth to sub
tawdry imp
seems to fucking slap now?
topaz bobcat
I'm not even getting 4mil evi on dummy
tawdry imp
yeah but crazy 9 billion evis aside it just feels like I do an assload of damage in a kidney window vs before
and I don't know what I'm doing
topaz bobcat
well with tea build I might get 4 mil but 5 mil seems far off maybe my stats
topaz bobcat
yeah but crazy 9 billion evis aside it just feels like I do an assload of damage...
u get goes less often cuz of no cdr
candid tide
dancing with full shadow techniques is the goto now i think
topaz bobcat
balances out
dapper chasm
dancing with full shadow techniques is the goto now i think
In what world are you getting 15 stacks in battle?
candid tide
In what world are you getting 15 stacks in battle?
idk
but in one occasion
i got like 3-4 evis out of nowhere
and the dude just vanished
devout bear
Assa with supercharged envenom + kingsbane feels sexy
dapper chasm
All my years of competitive PvP have shown me that what works is the boring and easy to replicate stuff
potent pivot
Assa with supercharged envenom + kingsbane feels sexy
Indeed
dapper chasm
Not the fancy 30 aura burst
candid tide
ye it does wth
dapper chasm
And if you have over 7 you get free finishers now
dapper chasm
But it is a builder, any builder uses stored points to get max CPs
candid tide
ahh yes ofc xD
dapper chasm
Finishers can use the points directly, but only at 7+
lime oar
Any big changes rotation wise with assa?
potent pivot
None of the specs have had rotation changes really
Worry less about rotations
Learn the priorities of each spec
topaz bobcat
rotations got simplified if anything
they rewmoved a few buttons from classes
how is aff lock still pumping crazy
like wtf how many times they nerf this and still melts u lol
lavish gorge
Outlaw channels popping off too hard, do we roll supercharger on HO? For both pve and pvp?
candid tide
well watch out pressing rupture in dance now
u might spend 3x pumping full ruptures on a target
halcyon timber
Mw and resto druid have some dispel protection too (side note)
potent pivot
Outlaw channels popping off too hard, do we roll supercharger on HO? For both p...
wrong place to ask about pve. check wowhead for pve.
don't know if outlaw is going to run supercharger in pvp yet
it's good on paper
safe pelican
hunter and ele are still more broken than rogue afaik
lmaoooooo MM is bustedddd
winning shuffles in the opener before the healer hits one button with sub rogue
shadow epoch
Any reason Arden rush is breaking stealth now?
potent pivot
Any reason Arden rush is breaking stealth now?
it's bugged, but there's no reason to ADR in stealth now
lone anvil
potent pivot
like yeah you get it on CD but SnD is applied passively now
so just don't ADR in stealth
shadow epoch
Did we lose talent to not lose ADR in stealth?
potent pivot
no
but like i said
it's bugged and breaking stealth
so don't press it in stealth
shadow epoch
Oh I thought you meant just because of SnD fair
potent pivot
the only reason to ADR in stealth was to get it on CD and apply SnD
it'd still be nice to get it on CD but you're only saving a few seconds doing that
safe pelican
just went up against ele frost mage and udk on my mm hunter smh had to get off the game after that ele pumps rn
hunter still fantastic but that burst is wild from ele
potent pivot
yeah something is bugged on ele too pretty sure
some people are saying that blizz launched the wrong version of the PTR entirely
so it's missing a lot of fixes that were already on the latest version of PTR
hard compass
whats the telegraph than an Ele is about to 1tap you
potent pivot
ascendance
hard compass
ty
ember jackal
yeah something is bugged on ele too pretty sure
The bug is with ascendance. They reworked ascendance to apply flame shocks to 6 targets but if there’s only 1 target available it will apply all 6 flame shocks to that one target followed by the lava burst. So you have 6 instances of LB procc’ing on a singular target
And that’s without the overloads + farseer ancestors taken into account
vocal ginkgo
https://clips.twitch.tv/IronicYummyHyenaHotPokket-h_4ui1zTU48BSrGY
What happened here? 🤣
ivory aurora
What happened here? 🤣
No idea LMAO
potent pivot
Why do I crit only 200k with BtE?
Seems bugged
Sometimes
Not sure what’s causing it
undone snow
Hey, is there a place in this discord (or elsewhere) with ressources for talent builds for rogue pvp ?
warped gate
Hey, is there a place in this discord (or elsewhere) with ressources for talent ...
Yeah, in the pins.
outer sky
Wtf is this
potent pivot
Wtf is this
Buffs that were removed on accident
Legit nothing to worry about as far as I know it’s moot compared to pre patch
odd yew
Not a rogue specific question but if Murlok is only showing one ring is that because they have two of the same crafted ring?
potent pivot
Not a rogue specific question but if Murlok is only showing one ring is that bec...
Yes
hidden dome
Legit nothing to worry about as far as I know it’s moot compared to pre patch
Nah, if anything Feral should be getting nerfs, at least for PvP
them getting no changes I can accept
jolly sierra
sorry guys im going ret
hidden dome
But them getting buffed, even if not significant, is stupid
lime oar
Is anyone else having weird lag on sub only? I just tested outlaw and assa, no delay but when I switch to sub there’s like a 1 second delay from when I press shadow dance and when it activates, same for eviscerate and sometimes I hit shadowstrike and don’t even get any cp’s
jolly sierra
i refuse to play in a season where a spec which does the exactly shit as me overperform me in everything
potent pivot
But them getting buffed, even if not significant, is stupid
…
These are old buffs that got removed with the patch
They’re just reapplying them
I’m like 99.8% sure
Let them fix the game
Then they can worry about balance
hidden dome
That is not how I read the dev notes
They read like they should've been part of 11.0.5 and were forgotten.
Not like they were in the game before
And feral this season as destroyed my desire to play PvP more than anything wrong with the game right now
Due to them being unnerfed so long
At least the chaos now is fun. While playing against a million ferals is never fun
potent pivot
They read like they should've been part of 11.0.5 and were forgotten.
Not like t...
I know how the post reads
But I’m telling you the actual facts
Feral hasn’t even been OP very long, like 3 weeks ish
The bleed buffs they just redid were added back when they nerfed Bite a bit
hidden dome
That is why there are still 3 in the top 15 ladder?
potent pivot
Why care about the top 15
hidden dome
More than any other spec too
potent pivot
I’m more concerned with SP than feral to begin with
hidden dome
Eh, SP's main problem is the bulk
Feral's main problem is bites still hitting for 3 mil sometimes
If you check pvp for 24 hour activity 3v3
There were more ferals playing than ALL rogue specs together
Honestly the only person defending feral are feral players
potent pivot
No ones defending feral
The good feral players are more vocal about it than anyone else
I’m just telling you what the deal is with the buffs they just announced
hidden dome
Fair, thanks for clearing that up
potent pivot
I just think that fixing all the bugs
And the fixes/buffs/nerfs that were removed by the patch or not properly applied with the patch
Kinda takes precedence over balance atm
Know what I mean
hidden dome
They can leave the outlaw bug. I played some unranked with it and outlaw never felt better tbh haha
potent pivot
hidden dome
Ye
btw outlaw will be 100% meta the second they get minor buffs.
4 grappling hook movement is just disgusting. You can never die unless you get killed in a cc
you can actually cross every arena map, and some bg maps even, in just those 4 casts
lone anvil
i refuse to play in a season where a spec which does the exactly shit as me over...
Is ret that giga Chad with changes
lone anvil
I’m more concerned with SP than feral to begin with
This honestly. And the data supports this too
undone snow
What keybind is dance for you guys on the other specs ? Not sure what to put now that only sub has it
undone snow
I meant the keybind you use for dance on sub, what is it in the other specs
jolly sierra
Is ret that giga Chad with changes
double bubble trouble
vague comet
shred damage is non existent
rake is something, but 5% is not a big deal
nothing to worry about really, fuck eles tho
jolly sierra
shred damage is non existent
F E R O C I O U S B I T E
vague comet
what about bite?
jolly sierra
hits like a fucking truck
vague comet
i dont think there were any buffs to that
jolly sierra
the thing is they didnt deserved any buff
is like buffing rapid fire to hunters for free (that happened)
vague comet
there are way too many things that didnt deserve the buff
esp hpal
the whole patch is completely trash so its hard to pinpoit one thing tbh
vague comet
w/evs i am more concerned about oneshotting eles than anything else
as well as crazy BMs
safe pelican
Is BM better than MM right now ?
safe pelican
About to hop back on run some more shuffles on Hunter before I ko, & yea MM pumps idc if BM was better i love rapid fire going brrrrrrrr
jolly sierra
is depressing
how a spec
is overperfoming us in everything
and even our R1 are rerolling
safe pelican
potent pivot
You mean hunter?
jolly sierra
feral
flat aurora
whats the talents i should be rocking for sub pvp now?
potent pivot
whats the talents i should be rocking for sub pvp now?
Pins
safe pelican
Me ?
jolly sierra
ye
jolly sierra
I think sub is better than feral rn
without CDR?
potent pivot
without CDR?
Yes
safe pelican
I’m confused I’m rolling MM on my alt i don’t know how to play Druid yet , sub isn’t terrible rn i played again one in my shuffle lobby he was doing good damage tbh
vague comet
@potent pivot are u using the 1 vanish build ?
potent pivot
<@629463378250956810> are u using the 1 vanish build ?
I don’t prefer it tbh but it’s not bad
potent pivot
https://tenor.com/view/think-emoji-thinking-in-thought-rotate-gif-8083088
You must have missed the past 30 hours
Sub has been bonkers
jolly sierra
perhaps
safe pelican
Yea it’s not bad rn I’ll wait to see if we get nerfed next week before i jump ship
safe pelican
That’s pretty nutty lol ngl
potent pivot
lone anvil
Sub has been bonkers
Bonkers how
potent pivot
It’s okay
It feels much nicer to play so far
I really like Supercharger and ma+kb
lone anvil
You're using kingsbane?
lone anvil
Ma?
vocal ginkgo
Just saying rn it feels better than feral
What build are you running?? I haven’t been able to play since the rework
Is it really feeling that good? 😭
Love to hear that
potent pivot
The ones in the pins
Trickster seems okay for sub as well but it feels slightly less bursty
vocal ginkgo
Trickster seems okay for sub as well but it feels slightly less bursty
Compared to pre-rework sub, what’s the biggest difference now? Like where is this dmg coming from lol
vocal ginkgo
Blades is 1.5m so it lines up with Flag now
Sexy
warped gate
I swear bro, I went all of TWW without hearing Outlaw slander, then got Outlawism for the past few days straight.
vocal ginkgo
Blades is 1.5m so it lines up with Flag now
What does our opener/burst look like now with flag?
potent pivot
does this outlaw bug shit work in pvp 🤣
That’s a good way to get banned and lose your seasonal rewards
Just throwing that out there
warped gate
lone anvil
Is human still a strong race? Can you use the racial in place of a trinket?
potent pivot
Is human still a strong race? Can you use the racial in place of a trinket?
It only breaks stuns
lone anvil
should I just go gnome then
potent pivot
I'm making a mage
My mage is human
vocal ginkgo
Best races are nelf and dwarves but honestly it’s not that deep
potent pivot
You can run reg trinket still as human
vocal ginkgo
We’re not top 1% players
potent pivot
Then you have human trinket AND reg trinket
Plus blink stun if you don’t take shimmer
Or w.e
warped gate
I play Worgen because if you ain't playing werewolf, you ain't right.
mystic shoal
I play Worgen because if you ain't playing werewolf, you ain't right.
Same
potent pivot
what do ueven get suspended for in this game
Did you type bad words in chat?
potent pivot
Have you ever been muted
vague comet
1 time yeah
potent pivot
Or a 3 day suspension?
potent pivot
7 days seems big for a first time
Go check the website
And see if it says a reason
vague comet
this game has become league of legends i see
potent pivot
They aren’t fucking around with the chat these days
vague comet
well i think they just lost a sub, might quit as well
gleaming pawn
I mean, you could also just not be toxic in chat
worthy crag
god damn
its an actual pain to reapply deathstalker's mark against any hpal lobbies now
with so much cdr gone and accessing shadowstrike becoming more expensive
jolly sierra
watch the mail
they always tells u the reason there
i was banned once for an exploit i recall
and was lined w the bfa pot stack
vague comet
already have, its for chatting
worthy crag
dont think you sweared eh?
vague comet
even if i did, what are people 12 ? noones swearing?
jolly sierra
u turned into a big bad meanie it seems
jolly sierra
even if i did, what are people 12 ? noones swearing?
are you US or EU?
vague comet
US
potent pivot
even if i did, what are people 12 ? noones swearing?
You agreed to the social contract
jolly sierra
ye, u can relate to @spring bough then
potent pivot
jolly sierra
in US u are more prone to get banned by flamming
in EU ppl just fires and shot but almost never bans in pvp
for that
spring bough
even if i did, what are people 12 ? noones swearing?
get fked by the BS blizzard chat bots lmaoooo
cant talk to anyone they all mass report is a shame lol