pvp

[grave basin]

Someone hard stuck 1200 is egoing a top rog

[fervent shell]

why would vanish reset your garrote CD

[candid tide]

cause i thought its stealth

[lyric onyx]

lol didnt even see shade in the chat like 2 messages above me meeting them in a blitz

[chrome schooner]

a terrible blitz even

[lyric onyx]

was a shit blitz

[chrome schooner]

3 people unable to spin 1 base is annoying

healer afk at start doing nothing also

[lyric onyx]

ill be honest i was one of the 3 but i got ice walled out of being able to stop

[chrome schooner]

:/

[lyric onyx]

i put my trust in the other guys but they didnt notice

[chrome schooner]

idk if you know but you can auto through ice wall

[lyric onyx]

wasnt close to AA

[chrome schooner]

ah sad times

I've met maybe

[lyric onyx]

was just spamming moonfire hoping for a miracle

[chrome schooner]

2 mages who had the intelligence to step back from their wall

[lyric onyx]

but ye was all downhill after that pally didnt come fight at the start

[chrome schooner]

yes indeed

[lyric onyx]

ah fuck have mercy on me shade

glhf

[chrome schooner]

I'm on quite a losing streak right now so the odds are in your favor

See, this is free win for your team

[indigo hill]

I have win streaks one week. Losing the next. Then back to winning. Hardest time I've ever had to break away from 1600.

[chrome schooner]

Well, I went from playing 3k1 mmr games yesterday to playing 2k5 ones today somehow :p

[grave basin]

Blitz is cursed I swear

[indigo hill]

Think the mmr is scuffed. Played a 1900 first thing today. Won it. Next one was 1700.

[grave basin]

Are you in placements

Like have you finished 25 matches

[indigo hill]

I'm way over that.

[grave basin]

Hmm no clue then

Hope they inflate shuffle MMR but I doubt it's happening

[indigo hill]

Seen some complaints about it on the forum as well. In-between all the other complaints. 😂

[rustic raptor]

how are we feeling about Drak rogues ?

[grave basin]

What's there to feel

Meld is too good to not use

[lyric onyx]

werent lying... your DH was hot trash

[chrome schooner]

it's not only the DH

They lost LM mines and mid

Sooo

[lyric onyx]

at start balance dru died in like 2 secs to us as mines

[chrome schooner]

Dh too

they used defensives on 20%

vs 2x feral

Smart players

[lone anvil]

Guys do we love cats or what

[indigo hill]

Outlaw needs a glyph for pistol shot for that.

[lime oar]

I love my cat

Touching grass rn with my cat

[grave basin]

imm 6-0 in blitz and STILL 1500 mmr

why does blizz make so many placement games man

[topaz bobcat]

hello

when outlaw buffs

[fallow rune]

Featherfoot or Rushed Setup?

[fervent shell]

https://tenor.com/Wkic.gif

[lone anvil]

https://tenor.com/view/lego-monkie-kid-monkie-kid-cat-meow-meow-gif-25895559

[fallow rune]

Is Crimson Tempest only used it there's several people around you?

[sick wasp]

Yup that kitty got Whaazz'd

''feral is better''

my @ss

[wicked tide]

was nasty

but hes one of like 5 rogues in the world who can play that effectively as sub

wont matter after tuesday, we wont be seeing that level of control/mobility again anytime soon

[potent pivot]

Feel like that depends way more on the lock than you’re giving credit

[sick wasp]

doubt it,rogue wont do as much dmg as an aff lock anyway

its more on the rogue plays

he did crazy cross cc and isolate plays

[potent pivot]

Yeah but without Chan on the lock it doesn’t matter imo

[wicked tide]

chan even said in the interview

[sick wasp]

its a team game anyway yeah

in that respect

[wicked tide]

"lock isn't close to stier but whazz enables me to play my class"

[sick wasp]

whaazz completely destroyed the other team

it was unbelievable

[potent pivot]

Ye but I don’t think any other lock is as good either

[wicked tide]

chan is insane tho easily best affy lock in the game

[sick wasp]

ofc,he is very very good

personally still cant understand how he did the double step play on rezziah

like idk

im speechless

[wicked tide]

used vanish to reset the step

[sick wasp]

yup its the only thing that makes sense

what a scary mfk@r to face in arena

watching drake's team now,its my favorite from NA

[wicked tide]

all those outplaysb are gone now thop

no more double kicks

much longer blind now

[sick wasp]

yup

[worthy crag]

double kick isnt really an outplay

[wicked tide]

blizz literally gutting the shit out of sub rogue and making it a derp class

it certainly can be

[sick wasp]

if u can step kick/vanish/step kick again

it is an outplay

[wicked tide]

u kick a clone on ur target, then vanish to reset a step and kick a heal

the point is not having options

[sick wasp]

u trade cds to stop something

[wicked tide]

and being forced into an extremely scripted way of playing the game

and sub is already extremely predictable

Were gonna pump for a week, then were gonna get nerfed and go back to being stun bots with no damage and no utility

[worthy crag]

eh sub dmg is fine now

[sick wasp]

i dont think its that simple

[worthy crag]

pretty damn good actually

[sick wasp]

sub is ok

[wicked tide]

yeah but they are buffing our damage by a shitload

is hwat my point is

were gonna be broken for a week

[sick wasp]

well we will see how it plays out

[wicked tide]

then fixed, with no CDR

[worthy crag]

losing cdr sucks but there's no way the 22.5 sec reduction was going to stay in game

[wicked tide]

i think the real issue is just dumbing it down so much

SND auto cast now on eviserate

tea is auto cast

[worthy crag]

Yeah but apparently that one is what the community wanted

pepole have been crying about snd for literally years

[wicked tide]

yeah im not saying its not a good QOL change

were just reducing the skill cap of the spec

[sick wasp]

idk how it will translate for pvp though

[wicked tide]

and making it easier for everyone to play sub

[sick wasp]

like tea might be bad for sub in pvp

u want it on demand

[worthy crag]

you can still press it

[wicked tide]

nobody gonna play Tea

[sick wasp]

ik

[wicked tide]

everyone gonna play supercharger

[sick wasp]

but u will zip if u starve

[wicked tide]

tea is dead

[worthy crag]

It'll just be a minor maintenance/get good issue to watch energy to not drop below 30

but yeah its a dumb change

[sick wasp]

i dont know that 😅

[worthy crag]

idk about tea being dead though

[wicked tide]

why would u play tea over 10 combo points

[worthy crag]

If ur taking tea, you arleady have 2 points into vigor

for 200 energy

[wicked tide]

plus u need the 10 combo poitns to reset dances faster now

[worthy crag]

Im considering dropping tea myself but I don't think it'll be a unanimous 100% drop

[wicked tide]

because u dont get CDR from vanish on htem anymore

it will be

trust me

[sick wasp]

[worthy crag]

ur literally gonan be autoing totems and psyfiends

[wicked tide]

otherwise your dance recouperation reset time is going to be so slow

[worthy crag]

and never have enough energy to backstab a offtarget or healer

playing 100 energy is more misreable than most ppl remember

I mean, getting two/three 10 combo finishers for CDR purposes isnt much different than having energy to backstab/rupture/evis during offtime

[wicked tide]

plus with 3 charges of symbols now

that replaces tea

it just sucks they gutted the class

[worthy crag]

Yeah, it'll just be a bit annoying to have to pop symbols sometimes out of a dance window

just to kill minions

[wicked tide]

im all about change but its just sad that they went about things this way and really haven't communicated anything to us on what they want out of sub rogue

[worthy crag]

Post patch, the only thing that will leave the class gutted is the months-old kidney shot CD change imo

losing CDR is kinda w.e if we still had 20 sec kidney

[wicked tide]

yes i agree galb it woulnd't be as bad

but its a thing so

it dones't matter

[worthy crag]

it looks like they want us to have more consistent damage

and less things that are hard to track

[wicked tide]

which is lame

theres like 45 specs in the game

every spec doens't need to be accessible for everybody

its the everybody gets a trophy mentality

[worthy crag]

oh I don't think sub will be accessible any more than it is with the change

ppl gotta admit that shadowdust is incredibly degenerate gameplay rn

[wicked tide]

it will be its much more linear now

[worthy crag]

they just pop blades cloak evasion one go and get it back the next 55 seconds

[wicked tide]

but theres not alot of sub rogues in arena man, only blitz

because u have to be insane to play it properly

ur gonna see way more sub rogues now mark my words

[worthy crag]

that's always been the case, even when sub is good. Rogue is just not a very popular class and sub is not a very popular spec

shadowdust has nothing to do with it

sub was unpopular long before that existed too

eh I doubt that

The current shadowdust makes it way easier to play sub than it has been

[wicked tide]

no way, because it makes it much less obvious on what to do

when u have as many options

[worthy crag]

esp with deathmark resetting shadowstep CD by 3 seconds every finisher

[potent pivot]

You’d play it over deeper

[wicked tide]

tricks u could be right

[worthy crag]

Oh yeah, I thought something was amiss here. People would drop deeper over tea

[potent pivot]

Imo tea is better than alac/deeper

[worthy crag]

that's what I was theorycrafting

[wicked tide]

yea alacrity is useless for sub

[worthy crag]

But, to get the THIRD combo point you do need to drop tea.

Keeping tea, you only get 2 extra.

[wicked tide]

so u lose 2 combo points

which doens't seem worth

but maybe to keep the spec smooth

[worthy crag]

no, 1

Currently we are at 7

[sick wasp]

drake's team is such a nice team man

[worthy crag]

dropping deeper goes to 6, 2 extra points makes us at 8 with symbols

[sick wasp]

prev is a chad

[worthy crag]

I agree shadowdust can offer a lot of options that top players can take advantage of, but even then I'd say 95% of sub players just use it for a path of least resistance

as in just pop CDs willy nilly and get them back in the next 60 seconds

because they can, and because it's a rewarding gameplay

Removing that won't make sub any easier for most people

[wicked tide]

@galb u lose the capstone talent point 2

so ur losing 2 combo points

on super charger

[worthy crag]

The way I understand the tooltip is

Forced induction will make the symbols supercharged finisher act as if it's +3 combo points right

[wicked tide]

yes

but thats ur burst

so ur looking at 10 points

vs 8

[worthy crag]

ah ur talking about the case whre we are dropping tea

[wicked tide]

lets also not forget were losing the mobility of sepsis

[worthy crag]

to still take deeper

[wicked tide]

if u drop deeper to take tea

[worthy crag]

I meant its a 1 point loss, not 2, compared to like, the current build

Currently we play at 7 cp, post patch we will play at 8, given we take tea + NO forced induction (we won't have the points to take it)

If we drop tea and take both forced induction and deeper, it will be at 10

[wicked tide]

yes

[worthy crag]

I can see a world where some people will take the 10 point build, but im not so thrilled about going back to 100 energy

gonna ave to see how it feels with 3 symbols

[wicked tide]

im with u man

im just saying

were gonna be waiting around alot doing nothing

then BOOOOOOOOOOOM big go

thats everyones weak auras gonna tell t hem to disarm/cc/pop defensive

then we do nothing for awhile

[worthy crag]

yeah, I used to use sepsis when kidney is on CD and I dont want to commit a vanish just to access a cheap shot before entering dance

that option's gone

haha

yeah agreed on the weakauras thing

Sometimes you just wonder how much of their "insane fast reaction" is their actual awareness and expertise

or a WA just yelling at them

[wicked tide]

its WA just look at the streamers

i mean whazz plays with a shitload of verrbal/visual ques

[worthy crag]

yeah my affection and attachment to sub has decreased over the past few seasons because of it ngl

[wicked tide]

and now its gonna be even worse because our unpredictab\ility of CDR is what even really gave us openings

back to 2 minute blind

which is trash

the more i talk about it and think about it and what were losing just frustrates me

[worthy crag]

Oh yeah, I mean sub will be way worse in competitive/top leve of play for sure. I think most of the playerbase will be fine though. That doesn't mean they should like the changes though

Im indifferent about CDR but I don't like the kidney CD and sepsis change

[wicked tide]

its about fun tho they are killing so much of hte fun

and like why take sepsis away?

so no button bloat with flag

???

and why doens't flag generate a combo point so it works with shadow blades

[worthy crag]

not sure, I dont think any meta build in pve took it anyway

its kinda always been a buggy spell and maybe they didnt wanna deal with it?

[wicked tide]

they all play flag

thbe PvEr's are really not hbappy either

[worthy crag]

yeah, they arent

[wicked tide]

if u read sub pve chat they all agree they are botching sub

[vocal totem]

Will blizz ever fix rupture bug

[worthy crag]

Your argument about dumbing down subtlety applies more accutely to pve side of sub tbh

no need to track snd, no need to vanish to get a CD back before boss enters intermission etc

[wicked tide]

i mean its dumbing it down in pvp too

[worthy crag]

Yeah Im pretty certain single target dpsing on sub will be pretty brain numbing

[wicked tide]

just as much if not more

[worthy crag]

and its aoe rotation is already dumb for a long time now

[wicked tide]

i mean good rogues in pvp keep snd up

bad ones forget to use it or dont fit it in

now EVERY rogue has it up

[worthy crag]

yeah

I'd still prob press it occasionally when im trying to just spend points behind a pillar but

that's pmuch it

[wicked tide]

yes

we will still use it to reset dance

[worthy crag]

but if our consistent damage comes out better, we might end up having more comps than just rmx

which im okay with

but I kinda doubt it

[wicked tide]

none of the changes help with our consistent damage tho

only burst

[worthy crag]

I'm not really sure if I'll even continue playing rogue, not because of the anniversary changes necessarily, but because I don't want to ever get used to a 30 sec kidney lol

[torpid swan]

If anything it helps rmx burst setups

[wicked tide]

galb im right there with u

my toon is from vanilla

have all the oold school mounts and shit

but i feel like this patch is going to make sub evenn more frustrating to play

less dances

less steps

more waiting

were gonna play like assa rogues

[worthy crag]

Yeah. I'm not sure if CDR couldnt have just stayed at 7.5/15 seconds like in DF lol

[wicked tide]

which everyone knows is a fucking snooze fest

yea 15 sec CDR is fine

[worthy crag]

its kinda like, they forgot to put the right modifier to shadowdust, put it to 22.5 seconds, and realized they screwed up and decided to remove it altogether

[wicked tide]

yep

exactly

i wish we could put out an SoS

(save our sub)

im definately being a doomer for sure, but when i theorycraft alot of htese situations in my head i just dont see it being for the positive

[worthy crag]

Im sure more changes will come, but I can already imagine the backlash in non-rogue pvp community if they ever put kidney back to 20

so I dont think that will ever happen

[wicked tide]

they made it 30 so

people dont fuck up the goes

i swear thats the main reason

to make it mor elinear and less confusing on how a go is supposed to look

also for blitz

[worthy crag]

Numerically speaking, the number of non rogue pvpers who'd rejoice at the change far outnumber the rogues who'd benefit by being idiot proof

so I think it was to appease the non rogues

[surreal barn]

Rogue is still fun as hell

Maybe not take half of someone’s health in a rapid fire fun - but still fun.

[worthy crag]

Also, its like

it might not be the rogue/subtlety stuff that I've grown bored with, but rmx rather

[surreal barn]

The problem with rogue is we were the stun kings

Now everyone is a stun king lol

[worthy crag]

Could still have fun playing rogue in blitz/world/skirm but when it comes to 3s

rmx is like the same old stuff since legion and the changes might drive us further toward just having rmx as an option

which im so over with

[wicked tide]

it takes away options not that we had manby to begin with comp wise

[safe pelican]

Kidney could been 25 seconds lol 30 was overkill imo feel that bad on assa but it does kinda help with goes in a weird sense

[languid ravine]

you mean in a I no longer DR everything sense?

[safe pelican]

No same DR but the increased cooldown lessens the likelihood of your teammate overlapping stuns oddly enough, so we kind of gain the ability to send more efficient full duration kidney shots

I was just saying that i would’ve rather them have change it to 25 seconds instead of 30

[surreal barn]

Sometimes you want to just full kidney a different person before someone aoe stun drs them all

30 sec cd blows

[jolly sierra]

is still very dumb feral has the same with no drawbacks

[halcyon timber]

Teams do it for you heh

[south cloak]

Since when do you need so much damp to 2v1 a healer?

In what expansion this shit happened?

[fervent cobalt]

Lol healers strong af right now

[proud spire]

Takes about 5 goes in 2s

[south cloak]

Like I don't understand the level of entitlement from healer players in pvp, heals are basically raidboss lvl rn

[hidden moth]

It’s not entitlement. It’s the fact that a healer is responsible in blitz and rbgs to keep themselves and 3-4 other dps up by themselves in a team fight. Their healing output needs to be high enough to do so.

[lavish gorge]

Healers should be really really hard to kill. I say that having dealt like 30+ million damage to a disc priest who was defending freaking quarry instead of healing his team.

If you can chase a healer off or keep him busy, you're doing right. He's too busy focusing on staying alive instead of keeping others alive 🙂

remember! Kick penance boyo.

[languid ravine]

Hey, anyones got a BetterBlizzPlates profile for me? seeing 15 tiny debuffs really doesnt do it for me on assassination

[potent pivot]

use the Magnusz profile that comes with the addon

it's basically perfectly set up for sin, i only had to make a couple small tweaks

[hidden moth]

Hehe, I love getting free precog off this. Penance /stopcasting

[hidden moth]

I like kui nameplates personally

[hidden moth]

And yeah. Also it’s so nice bc u can just sap/kidney/blind cap on em

[languid ravine]

I tried many nameplates over the years and I think betterblizz is the best all around the config ui is perfect

[potent pivot]

same

anyone else watching the move's comeback rn?

[hidden moth]

The moves comeback? Sounds like the title for a dancing movie

[potent pivot]

[hidden moth]

Ik what ur talking about just memeing

[potent pivot]

ik

they won 4-2

[hidden moth]

Interesting

[safe pelican]

Outlaw rogue is officially level 74..

Old verdict - outlaw is only for swords mogs

New verdict - Outlaw is still only for swords mogs

Next update at 78 stay frosty

[fervent cobalt]

@potent pivot not gonna lie I love pika good for him

I haven't finished watching the matches yet just starting on the US ones.

[hidden moth]

Guys they ARE FIXING MW ROLLING

IN BLITZ

removed the pvp talent for the extra rolls

[potent pivot]

Yeh I don’t think people give them enough credit

They’ve been one of the best teams in the world forever

[potent pivot]

where are you seeing that

the bottom one?

[hidden moth]

Removed the pvp talent

That resets rolls and guarantees jade lightning knocks

Yeah that talent go bye bye

[stoic spruce]

More like Welcome to the Dung

[hidden moth]

Means no more 4x no dr knocks from monk and no more 6x chi torpedo flying

[languid ravine]

whats your guyses Auction House cost for upgrades? on my realm T3 enchants are up to 8-10k, each socket is4 k gold

[hidden moth]

Huhhhh

A socket for 4K????

Bro I was selling the pvp gems for 7-8k at season start and the 3 star wep enchants were 40k a pop

The 2star wep chants were 20k a pop

Blizz made mats a bit easier to get so the cost of the chants just droped recently but a large margin. The cloak enchant was 20k as well and it’s down to 10k

I’m on stormrage btw

[languid ravine]

I mean the making the socket no clue how much a gem costs

[safe pelican]

I must confess i like playing outlaw in pve so far idk how that will transfer to pvp

[stoic spruce]

1:1

Except more downtime

[jolly sierra]

FUCKING MISTWEAVERS THAT IS WHAT YOU DESERVE

finally can play decently

[surreal barn]

Badass

It was so irritating

The real strat was convincing your team to escort your FC back and go kill the MW after a couple stacks since they are slow as fuck

[hidden moth]

Making the socket or a gem?

Bc a socket for pvp costs 3 pvp gems and 5k honor. 12500 honor if u don’t get a gem to drop or bug them off ah

[hidden moth]

Now dragons will be the issue as best fc

[runic trench]

I can’t believe tomorrow we get to play with new sub rogue

Goodbye sepsis

You won’t be missed

[lilac raptor]

are there any good weak auras to keep track of cds/ buffs for outlaw

[hidden moth]

@lilac raptor wago.io

Can also use luxthos

[lilac raptor]

hmm

that should work thanks!

[hidden moth]

Are the pvp world quests random or set rotation? Looking for the goblin pvp quest in azj kehet

[potent pivot]

I think the rotation is random to a degree

The two in azj kahet, one is on the east side of the zone

And one is in the city where the raid is

(You have to actually click on the city on the map to see it)

And I think you also have to talk to the spider people every week to see the WQs

[hidden moth]

Ye. I do that every week bc kej is nice

https://clips.twitch.tv/HonestZanySamosaBleedPurple-GkbnCLDj8D94xTQA

“Even pika went feral”

I’m dead

[jolly sierra]

so will be rogue unable to be the avatar anymore?

sub was able to do all 4 cov abilities at same time

[potent pivot]

sbs? 👀

[jolly sierra]

in SL

[outer sky]

My blitz team doesnt have enough stealthies

[jolly sierra]

look i have the 4 covenants lol

[warped gate]

The Dark Avatar.

[jolly sierra]

never forget the blessing blizz gave to us giving us all 4 at same time after SL

https://tenor.com/view/avatar-the-last-airbender-dad-dad-goes-to-get-milk-gif-26292225

[outer sky]

lmfao

[potent pivot]

blitz has gotten very meta slavey

sub, mm, mw galore

[hidden moth]

^

2400+ In blitz rn na

64/130 druids are feral btw 53 balance 13 resto

69/119 disc 40 shadow 10 holy

66/118 sub 45 assa 7 outlaw

84/118 mw 34 ww 0 bm

[stoic spruce]

Tuesday

Tomorrow is monday

[hidden moth]

You mean today is Monday

[gusty hedge]

still sunday for me

[hidden moth]

It’s been Monday for 40 minutes

23:20 to go

[viscid prairie]

It’s actually 3:40pm Monday

[hidden moth]

Correction it’s 00:41 Monday here

[gusty hedge]

10:42pm

Work at 12

[hidden moth]

https://tenor.com/view/faster-camp-warden-kyle-broflovski-stan-marsh-eric-cartman-gif-22107322

@gusty hedge in 1:14
dw I got 10 min on lunch then I’ll be right there with u

[gusty hedge]

[stoic spruce]

Now its monday

You can now say "im ready for the patch tomorrow"

[hidden moth]

Even if it was Tuesday ima say tommorow

Bc I’m gonna be asleep before it drops

[lavish gorge]

Yo any of you outlaw nerds use KiR in pvp like the masochists we all are?

[stoic spruce]

It's okay sometimes

[gusty hedge]

i dnt touch kir, HO Gang

[orchid plinth]

wtf they practiced in a hyperbolic time chamber???

[hidden moth]

Yeah the last 20 years

[potent pivot]

i think they just figured out a few important strat things over the past day or two

[wanton breach]

do more damage than the enemy

https://tenor.com/view/smart-thinking-thoughts-think-ponder-gif-7713620

[potent pivot]

Ironically it was the opposite

The were behind on damage and mana almost every match, but we’re still able to take it home

[wanton breach]

pressure the enemy healer?

[potent pivot]

Cast better cyclones than the other feral

Last time Jung vs Move pika was always way ahead on dps than the other feral

This time he casted as many clones as Jung’s feral (drake) instead of just dpsing

[vague comet]

the cooldowns on the bottom, is this omni or WA?

[orchid plinth]

Omnibar

The purple border around the Icon is an Omnibar setting which highlights the cooldowns which is your target

[vague comet]

oh nice to know, tyty

[potent pivot]

You can also customize it so certain things are in different rows

I found that to be really helpful for me

[vague comet]

oh yeah that sounds cool. defensive in one, CCs in another

[potent pivot]

Yeah

I think you can also have 1 row for each enemy iirc

And you can have them “always shown” so that if they have the ability off CD, it will still show but be faded out

[vague comet]

could be too much of a clutter, I am trying to think where to put my own BIG CD buttons. Cuz right now they are under my character, and i have to put omni there

[potent pivot]

Everyone has different preferences for stuff like that, but I’d recommend keeping action bars a bit lower and just having a couple small WAs for any CDs you find necessary to the left or right of your character

I only do that for certain important procs, like Darkest Night, because buffs/debuffs are a pain in the ass

[vague comet]

im def not gonna turn everything like most people do, just the most imporant things like bubble,hoj etc

[candid tide]

u can also do it like this and put enemy big cds on arena frames

but tbh i barely track those in shuffle

matches last 2min max

[vague comet]

i already tried that with gladiusex, yeah, didnt loook at those almost at all

on the bottom is probably best

[candid tide]

like if i see a big cd popped it appears on nameplates

and kinda like calculate it in my head when it might get back

[vague comet]

that i have too with bigdebuffs

im playing feral now and its kinda hard to think about anything but my abilities tbh, learning a new class is tough

[worthy crag]

gladiusex is asss

[vague comet]

meh, customized it a bit, not too terrible

[hidden moth]

Tuesday tea auto goes at 30 energy but is still an on use yeah?

[worthy crag]

y e s

[hidden moth]

Thanks, seeing YouTube vids about the new meta or w/e and comments about tea bitching about it and they don’t even check the facts

[candid tide]

bigdebuff only shows 1 cd a time cause it has only one icon

[hidden moth]

“Why is it auto use and not a on useeeee wahhhhhhh”

[candid tide]

like when u fight a feral if he pops both tiger fury berserk and incarn

u will only see incarn

and u wont be sure if he has popped the other 2 too

its important info imo

[vague comet]

tiger fury is a 30 sec cd so no point in tracking it imo

berserk is incarn

[candid tide]

i like to cc it if i feel like i neeed to

idk 15% increase can be dangerous at dampening % i feel like

[potent pivot]

The wow community is very quick to doom

[runic trench]

tomorrow is tuesday

[wintry dew]

#assassination has been the same

[potent pivot]

why

[wintry dew]

People see changes and be like "this change = nerf right?"

We say no

"but it looks like a nerf"

[potent pivot]

it hasn't been that bad in here

basically everyday someone will ask "so is sub dead on the anniversary patch?"

[wintry dew]

surprise!

I love how people want us to know stuff when the patch isn't even out yet

[potent pivot]

I think most of us have already rerolled to the orange rogue spec

It’s been pretty inactive

I’m sure it will pick up after reset when we get to test the new changes on live though

I’m excited

[languid ravine]

I tried to finish a dungeon quest for EXP, but turns out you need to be level 80 to collect the quest items

[hidden moth]

yeah at least in here its "pvp" so we got people talking all kinds of specs

[lime oar]

I have faith you guys will cook something nasty for sub rogue tmrw

[hidden moth]

actually delete monks and druids as a class

[halcyon timber]

Pretty sorry af of them too.

[hidden moth]

4 1800 sets down boys

[stoic spruce]

Yeah now

Idiot boy

[hidden moth]

Tommorow is Wednesday

8 hour downtime though. Gonna suck

[stoic spruce]

Not for me

I work tomorrow so I won't be able to play until Wednesday B)

[indigo hill]

We don't get the patch till wednesday

[stoic spruce]

Yall dont

I'm special with special privileges

[minor bolt]

Like a helmet?

[minor bolt]

Still miss my PvP vault row

[stoic spruce]

I have a note from the doctor that's basically an R word pass

@potent pivot I know why they put supercharger on RtB and not vanish

So that crackshot isn't even more loaded than it is now

I mean

There's no way crackshot builds will remain this dominant forever

Trickz wake up so I can schizo post about outlaws future. It's not the same when you're gone.

[minor bolt]

Outlaw has a future?

[gusty hedge]

sheeesh gratz. i have yet to get one always stop around 1600-1700.

[runic trench]

it was tuesday back then too

its now tuesday

i come with a message, the new rogue actually sucks

also they hotfixes outlaw to do 400% more damage right before patch

[robust harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/futurama-future-gif-4767605

[sick wasp]

might try devoker

eveyrone is saying its piss easy

stupid dragon does alot of dmg

[surreal barn]

For blitz I can’t recommend MM enough

It is just so busted. And after patch way more so

[sick wasp]

was thinking of arenas tbh but 100% im down for anything hunter

yup

hunter pumps

[surreal barn]

I’m running zero tier lol

Balls to the wall mastery

Another geared hunter will be rapid firing me and does like 25% health in their channel

Mine will do half their bar and they’ll not even release to look at that death log

[sick wasp]

hahahahahah

im so down with it

i wanna meme

[jolly sierra]

yesterday ive saw a glad feral pass away from 100% to 0 against a hunter in a shuffle (hunter was about to 0-6)

think the feral was like "this guy is bad af lets relax"

boom

[sharp sierra]

I Just finished the 2500 conquest achievement, anyone know how and where i can redeem the reward ? It says i got 2 Marks for Gladiator weapon

Nvm its in the mail

Do weapon enchant proccs also Work for PvP?

[gusty hedge]

ofc embelish/ all enchants.
some maybe halved in pvp but work

[sharp sierra]

Thanks

[wary plover]

Sub rogue pvp.
Dagger mainhand ofc.

Sword with good stats offhand or dagger offhand?

[potent pivot]

Dagger

[gusty hedge]

I dnt play sub, From what ive seen double dagger, 1h offhand hasn't been a thing in awhile

[wary plover]

https://murlok.io/character/eu/ysondre/ålex/pvp

the best sub (currently) in 2v2 actually uses a fist offhand. Thats why i wondered.

Altho, the 2nd, 3rd and 4th best, used a dagger for offhand

[surreal barn]

lol gotta love it

[jolly sierra]

the reason to pick daggers is because after rework shadow techniques (energy regen passive) does recover it depending of weapon speed

that is something some ppl are still unaware

[wary plover]

Ty

[jolly sierra]

(we need a pin, that is turning into a FAQ xd)

[warped gate]

This is why whenever I look at ladders, I look at the first three, then randomly guys along the next twelve or so because the top guys are always weirdos that are just so good at the game they can do whatever tf they want and still be the best.

This is me saying this over multiple classes.

[fervent cobalt]

also MOG def a BIG reason

[waxen meteor]

homies, i might be super dumb, but where is the tea change coming in tmr?

i don't see to find the news..

been navigating on wow-news channel

[indigo hill]

Coming reset it should be live.

[fervent cobalt]

One sec ill get the notes

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/news/24145980/20th-anniversary-celebration-update-notes

lol

Im excited to remove SnD from keybinds

[pliant mauve]

I feel like I only ask stupid questions but I’m getting whiplash from the amount of times I’m about to hit 1900 and fly back down to 1750. Does serrated boner help with energy regen or is it mostly used for the additional combo pts (since it does seemingly little damage).

[hard compass]

how does cr/mmr work in this game? I'm nearly 1700 in blitz playing in 2k cr games getting +22 per win, should i be gaining more?

[worthy crag]

2k mmr games, not 2k cr games.

[fervent cobalt]

22 is fine.

[hard compass]

thanks guise

[unborn bloom]

should I put an embellishment on competitors signet? if so, which one?

[waxen meteor]

oh shoot... i don't feel it's a great change

[fervent cobalt]

Na it's not but what can you do.

[potent pivot]

It doesn’t matter which slot you put embellishments

We use multiple crafted items so they can go wherever generally

But that’s fine sure

[potent pivot]

You know it’s still an active ability as well yes?

[worthy crag]

it cant proc automatically if you dont talent into it

200iq

[waxen meteor]

oh no, good to know

[lone anvil]

Do rogues used cursed mastery enchant on rings

[worthy crag]

I believe that is the best one, but its kinda damn expensive

[lone anvil]

Hell yeah BRUDDER

[waxen meteor]

Cut to the Chase now grants Slice and Dice duration, instead of requiring an existing Slice and Dice to extend.

--> hmmm, control is king is nerfed :))))

[fervent cobalt]

yea

pretty pointless

[waxen meteor]

pfff

First reaction, wow really?

then read more, of course

[lone anvil]

Guys I might make a WW monk, how bad of an idea is that?

[potent pivot]

Play whatever is fun to you

[unborn bloom]

i should've framed my question better. It has a slot for ebellishments, i see players on murlok.io only have the stats and enchants on it. So should I not try and craft an embell on the ring?

[potent pivot]

It doesn’t matter

Some embellishments can only go on certain slots, like Duskthread can only go on leather pieces iirc

Lens can go on any slot

The only thing that matters is that you don’t craft items for slots that you put tier set

[waxen meteor]

i am getting a bit lost there

[fervent cobalt]

That talent is trash

[waxen meteor]

given mut/ss/backstab doesn't do any dmg...

[fervent cobalt]

you gonna want the other want

[waxen meteor]

it seems they just make this option entirely useless?

[fervent cobalt]

Overdrive I think

[potent pivot]

It’s basically the same thing as Reverberation

Except now it adds dmg to your builder because ER is gone

[safe pelican]

Assa Meta Inc

[fervent cobalt]

Yea RIGHT Lol

[potent pivot]

How can you know

[safe pelican]

Its not gunna be sub lol , and I doubt outlaw will reign supreme

[fervent cobalt]

I mean ive tested it a bunch on PTR, you can give it a go but thats just my opinion,

[potent pivot]

We will know once we test them in arena

PTR is PTR

[waxen meteor]

er at least was a super cheap cp build, and allow some low cp finishers

[safe pelican]

It’s rightfully assa’s turn imo,

[waxen meteor]

i have been using it unlike most

[fervent cobalt]

Sin is just worse feral, like why

[waxen meteor]

now i don't think i will..

[safe pelican]

lol exactly but it’s not feral so it’s good

[potent pivot]

You prolly will

[safe pelican]

If you want to be a Druid then fine

[potent pivot]

It’s pretty good

[orchid plinth]

We will only know what spec is meta when Palumor releases his next 1 shot macro video...

[waxen meteor]

from dmg wise?

[potent pivot]

Ye

[waxen meteor]

ok

[safe pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-it-mike-critch-son-of-a-critch-this-is-the-one-mark-critch-gif-9843024955946373144

[waxen meteor]

text wise it reads like a small % of mul/ss/backstab...

[potent pivot]

That mutuel talent is a choice node, don’t have to take it

[waxen meteor]

like 1% of 1%..

[safe pelican]

It’s true everything was fine until the 1 shot video we called it in here which is crazy lmao

[fervent cobalt]

lol

[potent pivot]

You don’t have to use that particular choice node talent, but that’s not how it works no

It adds flat dmg to your mut

Not %

Iirc

[fervent cobalt]

it does decent dmg I just dont think it better then adding another point to your evis or ST

[orchid plinth]

400 haste...

= 0

[potent pivot]

Depends. We have talents that buff builders.

[fervent cobalt]

But I think most of us are gonna take perf veins, so I could be wrong.

[potent pivot]

Likely going to see 2 new builds minimum

[waxen meteor]

but how do we get the blue cp now?

without ER skill

[fervent cobalt]

uz first dance is so bad now

[potent pivot]

From symbols

Read the changes

[waxen meteor]

sin from shiv?

[potent pivot]

Yes

[fervent cobalt]

master of shadows is decent, get a restealth or dance but its not game changing.

[waxen meteor]

ok i miss read

[fervent cobalt]

we get 3 charges of SoD

[waxen meteor]

i thought it means shiv/symbol etc. is two charges now

like already

[fervent cobalt]

Which is so dope imop

[potent pivot]

You should just check it out once it goes live

You’ll see that it’s not too bad

[fervent cobalt]

We hit hella hard now.

lol

[waxen meteor]

looks good so far

in general the change is to simplify operation

[fervent cobalt]

lol I dont see how other then tea and SnD

nothing changed.

[waxen meteor]

i had doubt about er only because the text reads a small portion of a low dmg skill

[potent pivot]

ER is baked in and Dust removal makes the spec simpler

[fervent cobalt]

Yea I actually forgot about dust. Im gonna miss reseting kidneys and low c/d duels

T.T

[potent pivot]

The text says your next mut/stab also strike with an ER

So an added damage event

[waxen meteor]

yeah, but you know, echo normally < original sound

and original skills that triggers ER are all low dmg skills....

what you describing is a 10 dmg skill triggers an 100 dmg addon..

and it's called echo

[potent pivot]

But you’d have to press the next builder eventually anyway :d

[fervent cobalt]

I think iom gonna do something like this.

[waxen meteor]

buff my control is king!

[worthy crag]

It might be worth testing untalenting dark brew for shadowcraft

with additional symbols we can easily pre-setup back to back 10 cp finishers

And most of brew's benefit is from rupture pad anyway

Esp since I will ditch deathmark's 30 sec shadow dmg buff for the 15% finisher buff from symbols now that we have 3 charges of it

[potent pivot]

i think Lingering could be good if double dance/symbols openers are oppressive enough

[fervent cobalt]

Ive been wanting to ditch dark brew

[potent pivot]

brew adds a good bit of dmg other than rupture dmg

[fervent cobalt]

Yea with things like this

and blades

which is shorter cd now

you could get

if you grab shadow craft tho

and only 100 Energy

Because im probably not gonna take tea at all

[potent pivot]

i think dropping tea is gonna be bad

[fervent cobalt]

If I had enough points id love to get it

You could do without 2 vanish

[potent pivot]

you'd drop alacrity/deeper

[fervent cobalt]

like this

[fervent cobalt]

?

[potent pivot]

this is probably what i'm going to do

[fervent cobalt]

So no forced

[potent pivot]

not sure yet

vanish is still going to be a decent defensive CD since they buffed Soothing

[fervent cobalt]

Yea

I know

[potent pivot]

but it's just going to depend how necessary it is

[fervent cobalt]

I dont think I could live without 2

even just for Subterfuge

[potent pivot]

also subterfuge is still nice

yeah

it's just going to depend on what the dmg is like

if it's busted everyone will run Forced, and we'll get nerfed

[fervent cobalt]

T.T like always

[potent pivot]

if it's not busted we can live without it

[fervent cobalt]

we can never do dmg

people hate that shit

[potent pivot]

it's a hard spec to balance sometimes

[fervent cobalt]

Id agree

Lot of control

[potent pivot]

if you can kill someone in a stun lock/duel window people cry

[fervent cobalt]

Oh man I remember SL season 1

People just CRIED

fun while it lasted lol

[worthy crag]

Vigor is still valuable but tea is gonna feel very awkward

[fervent cobalt]

I was thinking about that

[worthy crag]

its uptime is so low now

Since it gets 0 cdr

[fervent cobalt]

you could still get 200 energy

and mayube even do shadowcvraft

[potent pivot]

i don't think the uptime is that different

[worthy crag]

when you do have it the extra mastery will more than make up for losing the 3rd anima point though

Just gotta be mindful when you press it now

[fervent cobalt]

You have to be mindful on building cd for Dance

thats gonna be the biggest problem

Gonna be so damn annoying.

I wish I could just opt out of this

auto tea

[worthy crag]

but surely automation is always an improvement!

[lime oar]

I think it was DF season 2 as well, or 3? I don’t remember. Killing in kidney-cheaps was too easy

It was the season before it got nerfed and everyone moved to outlaw/assa

[waxen meteor]

i am doing this even today :)))

i like er for sin tbh

[surreal barn]

Bloodfang and judgement tomorrow?

[warped gate]

TFW that one DPS gapped everyone and you should've been going him in the Shuffle.

[warped gate]

Yeah.

[worthy crag]

overused af

[surreal barn]

Good shit

[warped gate]

As an Outlaw, is there any purpose to Shiv? Only class worth Shivving stuff off of is Warrior, and they just put the shit right back on.

[halcyon timber]

Slowing the frick out of someone is good regardless of class. Many opportunities come from someone not being able to catch up. Can force them burning mobility cds or create a window for people to womp them in blitz as an example.

In arena it can create a sap opportunity in mugumbala with that long pillar as an example. Its a great tool to have but it is optional for sure if one elects to not use it.

[broken otter]

I think it takes 3 weeks of farming to unlock your first tier 2 mog.

[surreal barn]

Well that… sucks

lol

[broken otter]

Yeah

They do get cheaper as you collect more

[surreal barn]

I can’t just no life for a day?

[broken otter]

Nope

Time gated bs

As per usual

[surreal barn]

Ffs

[hidden moth]

just keep pushing homie

[stoic spruce]

Negative

[hidden moth]

got it lads

[hidden moth]

who tf is this "dank" guy plays mage ig idk

[worthy crag]

tfw my teammate mount up and W into double evoker team as they complete their 2x null shroud cast

[potent pivot]

huh

[worthy crag]

and me wondering if I should even come out of stealth as they 2v3

[potent pivot]

[worthy crag]

I could always type to them to stay back for a few while I sap the shroud off but

I go thinking to myself, "surely the rogue class, and the ability 'sap' have existed for over 20 years, they should know without me putting in the effort"

and oh fking oh am I proven wrong every single time

[potent pivot]

Press Sprint and pray

[worthy crag]

Anyway, I guess this is farewell to the shadowdust

[ocean delta]

tips for 1v1'ing monk? i seem to get chunked. as an assination, i think im hurting myself into thier cd

[jolly sierra]

feint the fists and run a lot

u have poisoned knife, spam it to make ur run safe and step kidney when u have it ready

if you use veil of midnight as pvp talent instead disarm u can counter karma

[potent pivot]

Be aware of their stacking dodge talent thing

Would recommend having that buff highlighted on your enemy frames

With betterblizzplates or some addon

[warped gate]

✊😔

[worthy crag]

"sap for maple syrup, me not canadish"

[stoic spruce]

I was playing my dk and a rogue asked me to let him sap and I said "no"

See

At least I let him know I won't let him sap

[fervent cobalt]

Lol

[hidden moth]

breh

im on my priest and sitting ww bc they stole lh. the dh with me leaves and im yelling at him stay...

[potent pivot]

Rogue on rogue hate should be a jailable offense

[hidden moth]

sap... cap..,. lose the base

[potent pivot]

[hidden moth]

i cant make the joke i wanna on this without being banned

just know im a good boy tricks

[stoic spruce]

It's funny when I do it

[jolly sierra]

is not if is a prick like rog twinks

with illidan blindfolds

[stoic spruce]

What?

[jolly sierra]

fucking lvl 70 undead rogues in full brutal gladiator gear with 2 warglaives and a blindfold

strifing everywhere

[lavish gorge]

Rogues can use warglaives?

[jolly sierra]

the tbc legos back in the day

[fervent cobalt]

I had a friend back in tbc that had fking 2 of em like wtf

[grave basin]

does any1 know how many freaking placement games are there

before you actually start climbing your mmr

in blitz

in like 13-2 and my mmr will literally NOT go up

[stoic spruce]

Like

25

In that ballpark

[grave basin]

every single lobby im against 1300 mmr lobbies

extremely whack

[potent pivot]

Iirc it’s like 20 for every bracket but not 100% sure

[grave basin]

for shuffle it's definately less than 20

unless it's 20 rounds (4 lobbies) then yea

[potent pivot]

For shuffle I think it’s by rounds or something

[grave basin]

atleast qeues for blitz is fast.

[upbeat torrent]

hello i'm new to rogue and testing assas for pvp and when i try to walk away from the dummies to restelth my dots keep me in combat and take me out of stealth is that normal?

[proud spire]

Just anothjer way the man keeps us down

https://tenor.com/view/rainy-day-quotes-gif-8948951907880737231

[orchid plinth]

It's a bug in the Deathstalker tree: Singular Focus breaks stealth.

[upbeat torrent]

so how do i avoid it?

[orchid plinth]

You don't. Or you manage your Deathstalkers Mark: having rupture on a target while another target is marked will proc singular focus and break stealth.

[upbeat torrent]

oh ok thx

[hidden moth]

@potent pivot if u check pvp elshion-stormrage does it show my rogue or nah

[worthy crag]

everyone say goodbye to shadowdust

[orchid plinth]

[sick wasp]

watched a vid over on skilledcapped guides like couple of years ago analyzing the win ratio a rogue would have if he could get a clear sap and have his proper opener.Was estimated about 1/5 more wins overall

for sub that was even more

[jolly sierra]

say goodbye to all cov abilities at same time

[sick wasp]

the trade cd pacing while having sapped someone is way faster in games

[potent pivot]

Yeah?

It doesn’t show your rogues exp unless I click on it to go to it’s own page though

[idle nest]

As an assassination rogue. does Deathstalker make you always want to open with ambush in pvp, rather than opening with cheap shot ?

so far i've always been opening with ambush, into cheap shot. but that can give the enemy a window to react.

[jolly sierra]

u always open w cheap shot

u do the ambush later due to subterfuge

[idle nest]

wait, subterfuge works for the deathstalker buff???. FML

[jolly sierra]

no

i say

to use ambush

[jolly sierra]

ah wait ye it does

got confused w blindside

[idle nest]

so i can cheapshot into ambush, and still get the deathstalker going

[dim oriole]

As long as you are still in subterfuge you can ambush to get DS

[idle nest]

sweet. thanks guys

[dim oriole]

Not lik pve where you have to open with it as you dont take subterfuge

[idle nest]

yeah

[sick wasp]

elegently u always cs=>ambush

[languid ravine]

afk detection in battlegrounds is WAY too aggressive right now

[sick wasp]

if u are into sub tech doesnt rly matter,u reset mark rly fast

[languid ravine]

I got booted twice for being afk for like 20 seconds DURING respawn

[jolly sierra]

in EU?

dude that is excessive

[potent pivot]

Cheap-gar-gar-rupture-ambush

[jolly sierra]

and im jealous

once i got a fucker afking intentionally for being called out

was a DH btw

[idle nest]

garrote twice on the same target ???

[hidden moth]

name?

[potent pivot]

Yeah

[idle nest]

why ?

[hidden moth]

i dont like this opener

[jolly sierra]

how can recall that

lol

[hidden moth]

cheap-gar-ambush-rup-cheap- gar

[jolly sierra]

easy combo points

[potent pivot]

It lengthens the garrote because of pandemic, so you get a longer empowered garrote

[jolly sierra]

garrote is dirty cheap for 3 combo points

also that

[idle nest]

ah, makes sense. thanks

[jolly sierra]

and u can spread indiscriminate carnage

[hidden moth]

still get the 2 gar before ur 6 seconds is up but u get ur mark applied before the rupture so that the rupture uses a stack of mark

[potent pivot]

It doesn’t really matter, it’s all the same

[hidden moth]

not sending rupture on death mark is going to make u have to build 5 more combos and use an extra finisher to proc ur darkest night

[potent pivot]

I don’t find it important enough to care about at all tbh

[hidden moth]

[potent pivot]

The marks are quite an afterthought for me

[sick wasp]

not having bleeds up while DM is active is certified trolling

[potent pivot]

He meant Deathstalkers Mark

Not Deathmark

[sick wasp]

ah that makes sense

nvm me

[potent pivot]

I can see the logic in doing either opener

[sick wasp]

yeah

[potent pivot]

I genuinely just barely pay any attention to consuming Marks

[sick wasp]

openers now are more flexible

[potent pivot]

I just press a max cp Env when my Darkest Night WA pops up

[sick wasp]

idk,im playign sub,dont rly care,it comes natural

[potent pivot]

Pretty much every hero tree is just whatever

Passive damage buffs mostly

[sick wasp]

yeah,its pretty much ur choice to pick up on diff passive traits on how ur dmg comes out

thats it

[potent pivot]

Only part I pay attention to is Singular Focus bug at this point

[jolly sierra]

are we picking ER as assa now with the change?

[potent pivot]

We might yeah

[sick wasp]

thats a very nice question

[jolly sierra]

interesting

ye, i recall myk using it in s4 pre rework for DF

[potent pivot]

It was pretty good when I tested it, but PTR is PTR

[hidden moth]

some hero trees are just big though. like oracle giving u a new ability.

[jolly sierra]

was a viable strategy

[potent pivot]

I want to see how it does in live matches

[jolly sierra]

if rework looks ok should be fine

well its in ur hands trickz

we are not getting 10.0.5 till wednesday here in EU

[potent pivot]

We might play more for KB and Envenom dmg

[potent pivot]

Same for us

[hidden moth]

less tahn 12 hours for me

[jolly sierra]

who said in monday the patch was for "tomorrow" lol

[potent pivot]

Quite a few people

[potent pivot]

Don’t forget about maintenance

It’s probably going to be more like 20 hours

[jolly sierra]

but BTW as a tip

when myk used ER pre rework

he spent the blue points in CT

just in case u wanna do more dmg

else in envenom

[potent pivot]

That only gives it longer duration tho ya?

[sick wasp]

charged cps on ct if u are into deathstalker tech worths to press even ST for a minor dmg gain

[potent pivot]

Spending the charges on bleeds is probably fine

[sick wasp]

(least for pve)

[potent pivot]

Unless envenom does enough to matter

[sick wasp]

mostly has to do with ctw consumption but dont rly know how that applies for pvp

hmm

[potent pivot]

Spending charges on Darkest Night envenom did a good chunk of dmg on PTR

[sick wasp]

cool cool

[potent pivot]

The main thing that sucks

Is that to take Overcharge you have to drop Tea or Vanish charge

So we likely don’t take Overcharge

Sub can drop Vanish for it but Sub is going to be considered a bit more squishy now

[sick wasp]

tea being the way it is,wouldnt be that out-of-the-world thing

[potent pivot]

Tea is pretty insane value

[sick wasp]

meaning the autocharge consumption

[potent pivot]

It didn’t seem that difficult to avoid the automated shit

[sick wasp]

cool cool

[potent pivot]

Sin already aims to pool energy for SB

[sick wasp]

[potent pivot]

As Sub you just pool slightly outside of burst windows

[sick wasp]

yeah thats true

makes sense

[potent pivot]

30 energy is a pretty low threshold

[sick wasp]

im trying to think how i can avoid taking that tea charge away in the opener

if i dont send one for sectech

[potent pivot]

We can even make an energy bar WA that turns green when it’s okay to press stab/evis etc

[languid ravine]

Blizz be like: "Hey kid if you are somehow bad enough to waste 5000 energy and drop below 30, I will help you to automatically lower your dps even further"

...thanks blizz

[potent pivot]

We will probably need to avoid spamming shuriken storm

That shit costs a lot of energy

[sick wasp]

that thing is draining energy

fr

[potent pivot]

Yeah I’ve heard it’s even bad in pve aoe

Trickster might unironically be slightly better than it was for Sub now too

Since Coup and Supercharge spend more combo points they get more CDR

Trickster cleave breaking CC is still an issue though

[languid ravine]

how hard can it be to code in a non cc break clause in there? pretty sure loads of stuff has that now

[potent pivot]

They left out that critical thinking for a LOT of the hero trees

Almost all “frivolous” aoe does not break CC or even Stealth

[worthy crag]

Im sure people will experiment dropping tea for overchage, including myself

and take a few rounds of queues to see how it feels

[potent pivot]

Experiment away

[worthy crag]

Well, idk, might not even play rogue at all post patch xD

[potent pivot]

I don’t think dropping that much mastery for 1 more combo point will ever be worth

But

[worthy crag]

Im more concerned about vigor than tea itself

tea is nice though, when you have it up

playing with 100 energy will make sub even more telegraphed for sure though

You'd see the rogue not pressing anything and pooling 60~70 energy before a go

and duel will feel awful for having to spend 50 energy to activate it

you'd basically need to pop SoD pre duel, and another SoD inside the duel

too much investment imo