pvp

[lone anvil]

Ty for your thorough responses

[tribal badger]

ye i mean ttheres a bit of bias here

survival is basically never fotm in arena but always a strong A tier or better spec

so the players playing it r usually survival mains

skews the skill level a bit up compared to when mm or bm is good

same for most of those underplayed A tier specs

[lone anvil]

Except destro warlocks

Ill fuck up a destro Lock

[hidden moth]

Disc priest all of dragonflight s3+4

[lavish gorge]

For us outlaws, is there merit to 4 piece?

further adding to that, what pieces would you particularly go for?

[warped gate]

I was told no, but I got it anyway because I'm hard-headed.

I got everything except the head so I could stack engineering vers on it.

[waxen meteor]

probly just swap to sub..

pace matches a lot more

[warped gate]

I wonder how much balls I'm gonna have to suck before I decide to go on Easy Mode and swap off Outlaw.

Wow, that sounded so much better in my head than in actual text.

Love Outlaw though, hard to describe how much fun it is. That Grappling Hook is so gd hype.

[surreal barn]

Sub /MM is fun I agree with that combo 😂

[lone anvil]

Don't know what this means. But if I swapped to another spec I'd probably try feral tbh

[waxen meteor]

MM is more instant dmg

focusing on 3-4 globals

sub too

Sin's is a bit longer period

[lone anvil]

Sub is swords though, right?

Or can I play sub with 2x daggers

[waxen meteor]

sub is not sword...

two daggers are fine

[spring bough]

OG sub is hemo swords in classic

For PvP lol

Bring back swords for sub 2025

[potent pivot]

It does

[lone anvil]

Sub used to be sword main hand dagger off hand I think

[rancid mist]

We're double dagger these days.

[lone anvil]

That's good.

And what are stat priorities for sub rogue

[lavish gorge]

Just a double back to the PvP health questions earlier.

Yes, it does boost your health in any area the moment you damage a player.

this is with conquest gear. No blood token gear to speak of.

Not conjecture, nor contradiction. Verified 💯

[lone anvil]

The video isn't loading for me but the thumbnail is a target dummy in dornagal

for 100% verified I imagine we would want to see your health before and after engaging someone in war and combat in open world

[waxen meteor]

that was like in tbc

[lavish gorge]

The target dummy acts as a player, complete with damage reduction values and pvp setup.

[waxen meteor]

and only small portion

you swap to dagger for backstab and ambush anyway

[lavish gorge]

It's literally coded to be a player-adjacent entity.

[waxen meteor]

for this skill

[lavish gorge]

!stats

[lethal roost]

These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.

Subtlety: Vers>Mastery>Crit>Haste
Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Crit=/=Haste
Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
You likely want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw for an extra GCD during ADR/Crackshot windows. Take 'em by Surprise gives you 10% during CS windows, so you only need 10-15% from gear.

[lone anvil]

Yeah but if your attempt was to prove something 100% definitive beyond a shadow of a doubt why not just take the extra small effort to find someone in warmode.

I know theyre supposed to be the same but hypothetically, there could be glitch with the dummy or something

I'm not trying to be a dick but that's not exactly 100% definitive proof

[lavish gorge]

There's not. Just go do it lol. I cba any further.

[lone anvil]

And you could have easily taken the time

[lavish gorge]

Well why didn't you? lol.

[lone anvil]

Sure idgaf myself. I'm at work

I haven't been home

Also your clip isn't loading. When I click on it everything is black with sound effects

[lavish gorge]

Loads fine for me. I dunno what to tell you. Do your own experiment when you get off.

[sturdy zealot]

how do we win 1v1s against a spriest?

couldnt take a node from one before reinforcements

[waxen meteor]

sap and open node
if no trinket, opened

[lone anvil]

Maybe I will maybe I won't. Im not the original person complaining about having an issue. I was just trying to help him by scrolling through forums at work. I was just addressing the irony of you saying it was 100% definitive. And the thumbnail is you in a major city (not warmode/ open world)

[waxen meteor]

blind and open if trinket...

sp is not a good node protector

but if he is smart enough to guard a bit far away

[lone anvil]

I'll probably just pay attention next time im in open world

[waxen meteor]

then you gotta deal with him

[lone anvil]

But I doubt I'll go out of my way to run a test

[sturdy zealot]

this is the part i struggled with lol

[potent pivot]

There’s some things that are not the same as a player

[lavish gorge]

Goodness you guys lol

[potent pivot]

No vers and some abilities do not properly pvp flag on dummies

[waxen meteor]

tbh it's hard to maintain perfect distance... i normally take my chances if he guards too far away

[potent pivot]

I’m not saying that has anything to do with your hp

Just throwing it out there

[waxen meteor]

but anyway back to 1on1, for sin you don't have much to change...

i keep kb in bg

what i do against sp is more like garrot, ambush, rupture, 2nd garrot or cs, shiv + kb

[lone anvil]

Yeah some guy was saying that his hp WASNT scaling when he got in combat in open world for some reason. We all were pretty sure that it was supposed to scale when you engaged with a player. But he made me second guess myself so I started looking on the forums and people had all kinds of theories lol. @lavish gorge is probably right. But that still doesn't explain why OP was having issues

[lavish gorge]

I'm hunting a player to be sure.

[gusty hedge]

OP probably didnt have all his pvp gear on

[lavish gorge]

^Likely.

[potent pivot]

Every time I’ve engaged in wpvp my stuff scaled up, regardless of where I was

[gusty hedge]

i world pvp daily its been fine no issues. when u get into a pvp zone your gear scales to pvp combat, same as when u enter any type of pvp combat.

[lone anvil]

When you say PvP zone is that any zone with warmode enabled or like the specific pvp areas like the free for all zones

@gusty hedge

[gusty hedge]

pvp areas obv

[potent pivot]

PvP WQ zones or FFA zones

[lone anvil]

So that was one of the theories on the forums

[potent pivot]

But once you hit a player it should scale regardless of where you are

[lone anvil]

Ok so that's how I thought it worked

[potent pivot]

It’s been this way since DF at least

[safe pelican]

Just went 2-6 against disc,holy/ aff/dev & mage like wtf do I do against the holy pally cleansing the bleeds

[potent pivot]

I never did much wpvp in SL but I’m pretty sure it was the same

[safe pelican]

Like what is my counter action to keep pressure

[lone anvil]

You cry baby girl.

That's what I do

[safe pelican]

There must be another way

[gusty hedge]

nero op, then yes it doesn't scale if u have warmode on once engage in pvp combat/pvp zones
also yeah same in slands

[potent pivot]

You just have to reapply

[safe pelican]

Hold up Tricks bout to queue 2’s but like what’s the cd on that ability

[lone anvil]

I don't know him tbh. Just was looking for relevant info

[potent pivot]

Which ability?

[lavish gorge]

Simple as.

[safe pelican]

What move is the pally using to cleanse and what’s the cooldown on it

[lone anvil]

Is it weird if I level a second rogue and try subtlety lol.

My main is an orc Sin rogue. But I have a level 30 NE rogue I kinda wanna level as sub

Do you guys fight the urge to have multiple level 80 rogues

[potent pivot]

I’ve got multiple

[gusty hedge]

lil vulpera

[lavish gorge]

Also I'm on europe, so finding a player at this hour is crazy lmao

[worthy crag]

its harder now because of all insane honor requirement for sockets

[lone anvil]

It might load when I get home. My work wifi is weird with media sometimes

[worthy crag]

and gem/enchanting costs as well

and crafting

[lone anvil]

Thanks for the dedication

[lavish gorge]

Yeah it's insane. I don't really like how pvp is shaping up this season, but warmode kiiinda sucks anyways so I digress lol

I also say that as an outlaw main through and through, and lemme tell ya I suffer when my grapple breaks

Everytime it goes to cd I die a little more inside.

[lone anvil]

Gems are marginal difference in the long run. Only sweaty nerds have full sockets on multiple characters lol

[lavish gorge]

Yes fox life is best life.

[lone anvil]

Vulpera and Gnome are both S tier

Need to unlock Vulpera so I can make one

[lavish gorge]

I'm a bit of a sucker for tiny cute animals that deal a fuck ton of damage.

[gusty hedge]

when u grapple and it does nothing , then the enemies are on your throat

[lone anvil]

Gnome Fury warriors. Gnome warlocks. Vulpera fury warriors. Vulpera warlocks

I love small guys doing big damage

[lavish gorge]

They say "AW YOUR HOOK DIDN'T WOOOORK"

stun stun stun stun stun stun

no pls

[gusty hedge]

[gusty hedge]

#pvp message

[lavish gorge]

Probably gonna do a bit of a gender swap to make em match my gif avatar a bit more

nah I think she looks fine. Maybe just a fur colour change hm hm

[nova viper]

Recently, my friend wanted to start playing pvp in WoW and a question arose - what advice would you give to a new player? How to be better? How to progress? Should I hit a wall on solo shuffles/2s/3s and learn the hard way, or something else?

[runic trench]

You will suffer and struggle and then one day you will be like

https://tenor.com/view/always-sunny-frank-oh-my-god-i-get-it-gif-22328165

(I’m not there)

@gusty hedge this vers mastery outlaw stuff is bussin but do I also still need 10% haste or nah?

[lone anvil]

Tell him to get a cat.

This won't help with his matches, in fact he might lose more matches (my cat tries to sit on my keyboard) but when the game stresses him out, he can go lay on the couch. There's nothing more therapeutic than a cat lying on your chest purring

Its science

[tribal badger]

if u want 8 gcds in a stealth window u need the haste

or to have effective gcds during AR in general

[potent pivot]

putting an emphasis on how to CC properly would probably be a big help for them

that's probably one of the biggest things, the earlier you learn CC the better you will do

DRs, when to CC for peels for your team, when to CC enemy healer etc

[lone anvil]

Is there a really good guide out there on this topic

Would love to improve with my CCs

[potent pivot]

not really

[brazen burrow]

Is Sub the spec to be atm?

[potent pivot]

all 3 are good

[brazen burrow]

Heard sub was getting changes soon? Buffs or Nerfs?

[potent pivot]

sub is losing dust and sepsis

but it's getting 1.5min blades, 1 min flag, 3 charges of symbols talent replacing dust etc

most likely still net nerf

[tribal badger]

pretty sure flag got changed back to a 1.5m cd

would be pretty rude of them to desync ur cds like that after removing dust

the point was to simplify subs cd usage and keep it unique from sins damage pattern

blades and flag should align naturally now

[brazen burrow]

Will Sub still be the best one? Or more even?

[tribal badger]

The changes r entirely pve focused almost impossible to tell

I dont think they r meant to be a nerf damage wise but subs pvp damage is different from its pve

[warped gate]

Bro.

Wait..

mb, I have no idea why I was responding to you.

But anyway..

Bro.

I just loaded in a game where everyone from the Shuffle was on one team.

We couldn't move.

And it got dismissed because there "wasn't enough players".

[potent pivot]

[potent pivot]

sub is only the best spec at the highest level of play right now. most people don't need to worry about a "best" spec. just play the game.

[dull bridge]

flashbanged

[brazen burrow]

Whats stronger Outlaw or Assa? Or depends on comps?

[potent pivot]

none of the specs are much stronger than the others

at high levels different comps affect the different specs in different ways yes

it's really not worth worrying about especially as a beginner/intermediate player, just play the spec you enjoy really

[warped gate]

'Eyyy, I finally figured out a bypass! If you screenshot with the Windows Game Bar, the screen looks actually normal.

[waxen meteor]

Common bug since solo started in df

[warped gate]

I prolly have over 2,000 Shuffle rounds and never once saw that before.

[static pawn]

I remember reading something like "if you have to ask, you're not even at the level of play for which it would matter"

[static pawn]

Yeah that's a wild one

[waxen meteor]

I have done way less than 2000 single games and have run into it for more than 5 times

[potent pivot]

That’s usually how it goes for pve

In the past pvp balance is usual a lot worse than pve, but the rogue specs are pretty well balanced rn

[warped gate]

I wonder what determines it then.

Worst part is I waited 20 minutes for that shitshow.

[waxen meteor]

man blitiz is just full of iq20 people

got a node map, i said i would float and went up (mine-farm)

and asked mage to go down

then a warrior and hpal decided to say they would go up after gate was opened

then after a bit travel i had to go back down, and figured mage didnt go down at all

by the time i arrived there node was already opened by enemy feral

and war started to bitch lol

[viscid prairie]

Hearing sub is going to be shit after the vanishing nerf will it be that bad after the patch?

[waxen meteor]

hard to say but impact feels not small

[potent pivot]

🔮

[viscid prairie]

What did it say

[topaz bobcat]

Reroll feral or suffer as sub until u lose sanity

[lime oar]

sparks quest bugged? every time i log out, i lose the quest and all progress

[hidden moth]

I just go mines every time I never stop farm, someone going bs can grab and go

[hidden moth]

Ponder the orb and figure it out when we get the patch

[hidden moth]

Good thing we have out geared bloody tokens 😉

[waxen meteor]

that means you are alliance though 🙂

i got what you mean

the dumb thing was, after gate opened, and i went to mine/farm side

as i shared to the whole group before gate opened

this pair (a hpal and a war) decided to say they would take mine and go farm

like wtf

first, why would hpal float

and why do you say it after I am half way to mine

and it's a 2000 MMR blitz pfffffff

[hidden moth]

People knowing what to do at 2k mmr

lol

Brother

Elo hell doesn’t end until 2400+ mmr

(Not laughing at ur mmr)

Even then there are people that I question how they even know how to eat a sandwich

[waxen meteor]

yeah it seems just iq problem

and they yell at you

got a bit upset over there

[surreal barn]

Eventually no one will say anything* and do everything right

[waxen meteor]

war was like: why the fuck a rogue let other side open a node on south side

i was like???????????????????

[hidden moth]

SOUTH SIDEEEE!!!!

[waxen meteor]

then i saw the feral open node, can't intreupt him too far

he opened

[hidden moth]

pro tip

Go mines sit mines whole game

[waxen meteor]

so i had to open the node to get him

[hidden moth]

lol

[waxen meteor]

and of course i died to feral, actually both died

and that mf war was, don't try 1on1 with that feral you loser rogue

[lime oar]

i want the achiev

[waxen meteor]

-.-

[hidden moth]

At least that’s what I end up doing bc seems to get more points by securing the points on cd vs getting back late bc I’m stuck in team fight at bs or sum

[hidden moth]

Achieve? For what

[waxen meteor]

in blitz you can rotate easily when the node is in protection

so i normally don't just sit

[lime oar]

Ruffious's Bid in the achievs check it out

[waxen meteor]

and i kinda enjoy the 1on1 there

[hidden moth]

I’ll rotate if someone calls they want help etc and I just caped it over but half the time I get back late or when I am back there is a guy waiting near flag and I gotta fight over it

[waxen meteor]

so i would normally look for the some 1on1 for fun

if not risk too much

feral is dangerous as fuck without trinket or big cloak talent

[hidden moth]

Feral just op

[waxen meteor]

yeah

[hidden moth]

Gotta out play em

[waxen meteor]

and make sure you have big cloak :)))))

[hidden moth]

But not on temple

Take disarm on temple

[worthy crag]

prob best just not queue with feral being what it is rn

[waxen meteor]

i just do first win of blitz each day for honor/conquest

i don't even know what my mmr is

the whole blitz mmr doesn't make sense to me

[worthy crag]

you lose when you try to make sense of it

[waxen meteor]

or the variance just too big

like why the fuck i have a game at 2000 then a game at 1700 next
or why first game was 1800, then after a win, next game becomes 1400

and it's like after 20-30 games i didn't count

[hidden moth]

U won’t get better if u don’t que

[waxen meteor]

you get better after a week

[hidden moth]

Bc ur mmr is hidden it just shows team avg mmr

[waxen meteor]

yeah i know

but that makes it more crazy

it seems you just end up with a team avg mmr that can be far away from yours

[hidden moth]

So u could be the lowest mmr of a team on game and be in 2600 but then the highest mmr player next game in a 1800 avg lobby

Possible but we wil get personal mmr in 11.0.5

[hidden moth]

Idk, I get taking breaks but u gotta run it up to get better and figure stuff out

[waxen meteor]

i think i only stopped queue in the ret week

other than that, i live with whatever

i might not queue too much when there are some significant op specs

[hidden moth]

https://check-pvp.fr/us/Stormrage/Schtabbytime

Took me 137 games to get 2400

At a 58% win rate

[waxen meteor]

you awesome

i think i did like total of 20-30 games

[hidden moth]

Tbf this week is the best so far

While feral still broken

Dk and lock got good nerfs

[runic trench]

Ferals scare me

I joined a group and he said meowdy

[hidden moth]

Actively waiting for “furry” hunting season

[potent pivot]

Wpvp title and mount

[warped gate]

What happened to Blade's Edge Arena?

Hasn't popped for me in all of TWW.

[outer sky]

they took it out of the rotation last xpac

[warped gate]

Oof.

At least put it in Skirmish.

Along with that stupid one that played like a Smash Bros. stage with hazards.

[runic trench]

why

it was by far the worst

getting knocked off constantly meant melee couldnt play

[dull bridge]

hell no

it was godawful

[warped gate]

Because if we can get Temple of Assmogu in random BG's, then there's no reason we can't get that in a Skirmish.

[runic trench]

temple is nowhere near as bad

as that map

this is a joke right

[terse bolt]

wanna hear another joke, i just got into a 2.4 mmr game in blitz and i have a guy on my side with 1.6 rating asking "what is the plan"

in a WSG

what's the plan fellas

[runic trench]

sit mid

tbf i always ask whats the plan

can never be sure everyones monitor is on

[terse bolt]

probably i am prejudiced against him with this rating

but still a tad silly thing to ask in a WSG

in AB sure

[warped gate]

You could crash into them mid, or protect the president FC, or leave a couple dudes behind to harass EFC.

[runic trench]

Oh shit it’s a grand marshal

G-g-Goodmorning sir

🫡

[warped gate]

At ease. 🫡

[hidden moth]

World PvP mount? Since when

[hidden moth]

Idk man I’m like 7-3 win loss on temple in blitz

It’s great once u get high enough people grab orbs. As assa I try not to grab orbs bc I can sit on orb carriers and make them wanna end it all

[hidden moth]

Win ur games

[runic trench]

that was a win lmao

[hidden moth]

Cr ≠ skill mmr is more accurate to ur skill level bc u only go up 24 cr a win at max

[hidden moth]

I was talking about the overall

Also drink ur honor flask

10 wins isn’t bad. ESP if u duo que skim

[potent pivot]

Since the war within

[gusty lagoon]

kek 120 vs 15

[potent pivot]

The title is pretty dope too

Slayer of the Deeps

[sick wasp]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Nfxut5Fomw meanwhile on world of magecraft

Hi btw o/

[hidden moth]

What achievement

@potent pivot do we know improved garrotes effect bonus interaction thing

Ik u want to get out as many as possible and use it 2x for pandemic effect

[potent pivot]

Ruffious Bid

you have to do the Sparks weekly 20x

[hidden moth]

But does the 50% buff stop when the 6 seconds ends, does it snap shot, does it fluctuate with ur stats and buffs mid combat but keep the 50% buff, and if I reup a 50% garrote before it falls off but with a normal garrote not a 50% buff one does it end the 50% bonus

[potent pivot]

and all the wpvp WQs multiple times

[hidden moth]

All sparks weekly’s on one toon or multipl

[potent pivot]

it's acc wide

the entire achievement reqs are acc wide

[hidden moth]

Thank god

[potent pivot]

wow's general rules of thumb:
all stat and dmg modifiers are dynamic

[vague comet]

So I just levelled a new rogue. For sub, would we go with basic weapons or should craft one? or??

[hidden moth]

Ye I’m familiar with this much just not sure how the 50% interacts

[potent pivot]

this means that when you have a buff/debuff that amplifies or lowers your dmg, it affects all dmg and existing (DoTs) dmg you're doing

[hidden moth]

Free ones

[potent pivot]

imp garrote doesn't "snapshot", but it is for the entire garrote's duration yes

snap shotting is something that is widely taken out of context and misunderstood

[hidden moth]

Had to do it in classic

[potent pivot]

stick with the free daggers until you're fully geared

[hidden moth]

Gargoyle snapping was funnnn

[vague comet]

kk

[potent pivot]

snap shotting means a DoT keeps a certin buff throughout it's duration, even after you drop the buff

Nightstalker always snap shotted

Exsanguinate

etc

most buffs don't

[hidden moth]

So if I have 50% buff

Garrote garrote for 24? Or 26 seconds (don’t remember max duration)

And say 18 seconds later for the sake of it (using 24 seconds as max) and it has 6 seconds left and I garrote again to reup it. Does that mean
A. I keep the 50% buff rolling on the dot
B. I keep the 50% buff for 6 more seconds and it goes away when the original duration of the 50% buff ends and the garrote goes to 100% damage and not 150%
C. Garrote loses the 50% damage buff and I miss out on 6 seconds of the increased damage for reuping it

[potent pivot]

C

iirc

[orchid plinth]

Is there any way to track the improved garrote debuff? Is it a different spellID?

[hidden moth]

Was afraid of that

I’m unsure @orchid plinth

[orchid plinth]

So you want to Improved Garrote 2x to get extra uptime with Pandemic. But you don't want to "refresh" it with an non-Improve Garrote?

[hidden moth]

I’m now debating if it’s better to
A. Reup garrote and don’t let it fall even if I lose out on the 50% extra damage
Or
B. Let garrote fall and try to re apply after it ends or when it has 1 second or so left so I get the most out of the 50% buff

[potent pivot]

i wouldn't really think too hard about it

[hidden moth]

I feel we will get a lot more value in 11.0.5 with the subterfuge buff

[orchid plinth]

Should probably ask these questions in #assassination

[hidden moth]

Since we don’t have to instantly do garrote garrote

[potent pivot]

that's kinda wasted brain power that could be used for paying attention to more important things

[hidden moth]

Wasted brain power for 10 hours then it’s just muscle memory

Jk jk

[orchid plinth]

Whataboutism. We are discussing the mechanics of Garrote, not being good at the game!

[potent pivot]

yeah but losing a +50% for a couple ticks isn't that big of a deal imo

ayoo

[orchid plinth]

https://tenor.com/view/what-is-that-what-is-happening-sam-neill-remove-sunglasses-gif-15770358

[potent pivot]

those Charhound summons breaking stealth in the AWC got attention brought to it i guess

fucking Swapxy was abusing it in AWC matches lmao

[hidden moth]

Don’t blame him

lol

[orchid plinth]

Yeah the best way to fix bugs is AWC or RWF players using it

[potent pivot]

i do

[orchid plinth]

Mage bug live since beta?
Firedup using it? Patched within 3 pulls.

[potent pivot]

kinda dogshit behavior ngl

[hidden moth]

I agree but

If ur trying to win a high skill tournament, and really trying to win you will be doing everything that isn’t “cheating” to do so

It’s a Feature not a bug

[orchid plinth]

If it gets the bug fixed I am happy.

[potent pivot]

nah

[orchid plinth]

Now do Singular Focus

[potent pivot]

if you know you're abusing a bug to try to win i think that speaks volumes on someone's character

especially in a competition/tournament setting

things like that should really bring DQs

[orchid plinth]

Well Blizzard are actually enforcing stuff now (in the RWF) so it would be cool for them to do the same thing in AWC.

[hidden moth]

DQ’s?

Disqualification?

Also pve assa has spoken

I’m now debating if it’s better to
A. Reup garrote and don’t let it fall even if I lose out on the 50% extra damage
Or
B. Let garrote fall and try to re apply after it ends or when it has 1 second or so left so I get the most out of the 50% buff

Answer is B for pve

But PvP prob not the best idea

Bc if u reup the 50% garrote before it falls it just removes the 50% and makes it a normal garrote

[potent pivot]

yeah

[potent pivot]

ye like i said, it's really not worth thinking hard about tbh

when the patch comes out, maybe we'll try to stagger the imp garrote towards the end so that it gets a higher total duration

but even then, it's not something powerful enough to giga tryhard

[fallen scaffold]

havent been on in 2 weeks

[hidden moth]

Say I’m fighting for a node no stealth/ vanish dk rolls in as I finish my 1v1 with w/e is at the node. It’s just me and dk I have no carnage. Worth to send a rupture/ garrote onto pet or nah

[fallen scaffold]

is assa taking 4 pc now?

with these cahnges

[potent pivot]

it was even before the changes, so ye

[potent pivot]

that depends on the actual ongoing situation

like if you're not just trying to bait/waste their time or slick cap the node, and you're TRYING to kill them

then it just depends

if you have no Deathmark, and you're getting energy starved to a bad degree, then yeah it's probably worth

[hidden moth]

Half the time u won’t get the slick cap on a uh simply bc pet

And they usually have a magus or a rider out with it

[potent pivot]

the real question though

you'd usually be starting this situation from stealth

[hidden moth]

Ye

[potent pivot]

but in any situation, having extra bleeds up for VW is good

[hidden moth]

Ofc, but being in open bc of fight and another lad shows up to party isnt uncommon

Yeah for venomous but also thinking for follow the bloods 30% damage buff

[potent pivot]

i wouldn't waste your time gar/rupturing the pets that have a set duration, unless from Carnage cleave

[hidden moth]

Since we don’t have a lot of crit in PvP

[potent pivot]

like abom/riders n shit

[hidden moth]

Yeah mostly thinking of just the ghoul

[potent pivot]

ye

[potent pivot]

what's that got to do with it

[hidden moth]

Other talent forget the name choice mode with follow the blood

[potent pivot]

i don't think we ever run Momentum

[hidden moth]

On a fok crit buff fok crit chance and crit damage of fok and ct

[potent pivot]

there's no real reason to

[hidden moth]

I saw most top 50 use it before the follow the blood change on Tuesday

Bc even in 8v8 most of the time u won’t have 3 ruptures

But 2 is def doable

[potent pivot]

depends on the map, but assa is mostly good for team fighting rn

so really it shouldn't have been difficult in most situations

[hidden moth]

“Go sit st”

lol

[potent pivot]

which changes were you mentioning btw? 2p affecting env/kb and the stack change to the 4p?

[hidden moth]

I get torn bc rogue so good at solo def and stealing nodes but assa soooo crisp in team fight with aoe ms, and hella damage

[fallen scaffold]

4p stack change

[hidden moth]

Assa was gonna run it from the start the buff is just a little cherry on top

[potent pivot]

the 4p change doesn't change much

it was bugged

[hidden moth]

There is Something so satisfying about winning the 1s vs a sub rogue

[runic trench]

did they change sometyhing in solo shuffle

wtf

[potent pivot]

nothing that was publicly announced

the only thing they announced was that the rated pvp thing shouldn't be greyed out anymore

[hidden moth]

Lucked out and hella healers sending it rn

Tbh I’m bouta do hella heal shuffles for conq badges

It’s nice to just send shuffles pushing healer rating for 1800 tmogs while getting conq for other toons

[runic trench]

i would be happy if i ended the season at 1800

[hidden moth]

Ez mode u got this

[loud ember]

anyone got a good bg blitz build for ass?

seeing as the only way to get rewards this season appears to be doing that POS game mode

[hidden moth]

^ @loud ember

[terse bolt]

has anyone received any crests from winning blitz games?

so far for me nada

[loud ember]

thought fatebound was bis for blitz

at least according to drustvar

[terse bolt]

maybe in certain maps

and depending on what you do tbh

if your plan is to go in the tf and poison everyone yes

[loud ember]

like?

[terse bolt]

if u want to ninja cap bases and mostly play 1vs1

then nightstalker

[hidden moth]

No lol

[hidden moth]

What u will be doing 99% of the time

[terse bolt]

but even for TFs nightstalker gives some more funnel dmg

yeah exactly but i am playing sub

[hidden moth]

U only get to team fight in temple really

[terse bolt]

assa rogues are built differently

[hidden moth]

Maybe maybbbee silver shard

[terse bolt]

i have seen assa's skirmishing in every map

market

blacksmith

[hidden moth]

“Ur rogue go do rogue thing”

[terse bolt]

waterworks

they dont care

they are warriors deep down

[hidden moth]

It depends if I have other base sit classes on team or not

I love the team fight

But same time. Ur expected to sit flags and noses

Nodes

@potent pivot is telling people in pve to get conq gear for a gear slot in pve chat troll?

[loud ember]

but if this build is meant for ninja and 1v1 why does it go for crimson instead of KB

[hidden moth]

Dude is bitching about not being able to replace 606 ilvl boots but can easily get 619 boots for 700 conq

King bane is meh

And tempest is great in st

High armor ct helps

1v1 a dk?

[runic trench]

700 conquest

for a pve only player

is hard

[hidden moth]

Ct on all the pets and him makes it do 100% more damage to the dk. Bm hunter demo lock as well

[runic trench]

unless they just farm boxes

[hidden moth]

Afk 3 bgs ez

Or do sparks

[runic trench]

the drop boxes in the world

[hidden moth]

Also you arnt always gonna be in a 1v1

Kb is also lack luster bc u don’t have 4 poisons to ramp it and u don’t get 100% uptime to ramp it either

Is also dispellable

Iirc

[loud ember]

so in warsong, my job is just

kill the FC

[hidden moth]

Or peel for urs

[loud ember]

right

[hidden moth]

Depends on current situation

[terse bolt]

last wsg i did all three

capped a flag

killed fc

served as an escort

i wonder if people have bothered to write bg guides for all classes xd

just thinking about it gives me a headache

[hidden moth]

One game our pres has flag mid, was low I tried to peel our mw just ressed and was heading to help, our pres dies I repixk at 50% hp and 3 people ontop of me and pres. I step an ally warrior who Is closer to our tunnel and our mw. Then step the mw. Hit the flag drop macro he repicks. I then peel the best I can for all of 2 seconds and then die lol

This was the game winning play

[terse bolt]

now i want to experience this aswell

[hidden moth]

I wish I was recording 😭

[terse bolt]

best clutch momemnt i had was capping 2nd base at EOTS while enemy team was about to cap the flag and win

[hidden moth]

Huge

[terse bolt]

but not that exciting ya kno

i just tapped while they were all typing GGs in chat

didnt even bother to smokebomb

just in case the noise would bring them back to reality xd

[hidden moth]

Noise/ visual

I got a hunter flames

Flamed

Bro was sitting lm away from cap pet ontop of him

I smoke bomb cap before he gets in range to do anything

lol

[potent pivot]

kinda yeah. and yes offhand is the lowest prio, mut doesn't matter that much

[potent pivot]

well it's wrong

[loud ember]

i honestly cant wait for them to put some inflation into solo shuffle

its rediculous i'm fighting for my fucking life at 1700 rating

[potent pivot]

assa is more geared towards big aoe

[loud ember]

i was 2400 last season

[potent pivot]

they might not at all

[loud ember]

why would you want any rewards from doing arena content anyways

[potent pivot]

regular inflation is like +20mmr per week or some shit

[hidden moth]

But objectively it’s a better piece

[potent pivot]

What

[hidden moth]

The PvP item vs his 606 item

[potent pivot]

If you recommend that anyone pvp in the pve chats you are very likely to get meme’d on

Hard

Most pve players are toxic about pvp being a “shit mini game inside of their game”

[hidden moth]

Sure but bitching about bad rng and a loot council who gave a bigger upgrade to a diff person vs getting a guaranteed upgrade is kinda troll imo

True

[azure rapids]

that`s why we prey on them in the open world :)))

[potent pivot]

Yeah but most of them know conquest items exist and aren’t about to pvp for anything ever

They also likely don’t even have honor gear so it’s kinda troll

[hidden moth]

Skill issue

Also there is a saying that holds true

[azure rapids]

i had a friend who only does pve ask for help so he can get conquest weapon

[hidden moth]

A good pvper is usually good at pve but a good pver can be ass

[azure rapids]

they say the same about us :)))

[hidden moth]

Will*

Idk what’s funnier pve players malding about wiping in a key bc they missed a kick, or pve players trying pvp and malding bc they got kicked

[little verge]

Hi guys. First time posting. Trying to climb solo shuffle and looking for any tips. Is there any hard and fast rules about which poisons I should be using when playing with 2 poisons. (assassination rogue here)

[hidden moth]

Wound crippling always

[little verge]

Understood. Thank you.

[hidden moth]

Slow+ aoe ms

[hidden moth]

https://clips.twitch.tv/RichFastSaladKeyboardCat-1NlYDxSc5P8kpvB8

This clip is gold

[tropic stag]

Hey I see alot of high ranking rogues with the gladiator daggers and not the algari pvp crafted ones? why is this? I'm not smart enough to figure it out

[potent pivot]

Because it’s a waste of conq to craft rn

Some people that have played since week 1 crafted 1 dagger

But if you’re gearing now it’s just a waste

Daggers will be there very last thing we craft, once we’re fully geared

2 free daggers from 2500 conq earned achievement

[tropic stag]

Thank you

[brazen burrow]

Ascension on dagger isnt a big deal?

What embellishment should we go instead?

[potent pivot]

Nah it’s kinda meh

Duskthread x2 or Lens

[topaz bobcat]

duskthread good on assa since always kill target?

i mean most of the time will be below 80%

also I'm getting farmed by spriests now

[potent pivot]

Shouldn’t be under it that much no

[topaz bobcat]

lens could proc on pets right?

when u fan/shuriken or crimson tempest, ruining it

[potent pivot]

Even if so, not that big of a deal imo

The biggest thing to take away from embellishments

Is that they all suck

Lens and Duskthread just suck less

[wanton breach]

very meh

[potent pivot]

Yeh idk why people thought it’d be good

I guess because a lot of classes use it in pve for raid specifically

[wanton breach]

it is a lot of stats but the fight has to be on for a long time to be able to properly benefit it

guess focusing lense and thread are just better for direct impact

[hidden moth]

ESP with it losing stacks when we vanish

[brazen burrow]

what loses stacks? Ascension?

[runic trench]

What is the gameplan for vers mastery trickster outlaw? I was playing it and it’s alright but I decided to read the abilities and talents and like everything scales with crit for that one gun finisher

Besides the obscene main gauche damage I’m like how does mastery scale with anything here

[potent pivot]

yeah the stacks reset when you drop combat

[potent pivot]

mastery isn't what you want as outlaw

if you're just stuck playing mastery because you're geared for assa or sub, it's okay enough to get by, but crit/haste are far better

[brazen burrow]

But also there are no Mastery weapons? So just for that it might be good to craft?

[potent pivot]

like i just told someone a little while ago, crafting mastery daggers should be the very last upgrade you do

[brazen burrow]

So what items do you recommend? Ring and ? Boots?

[potent pivot]

for your very first crafts?

[brazen burrow]

Yea

[potent pivot]

boots and bracers are good, both bis

[hidden moth]

can even do engi wrist for high vers or mast

[potent pivot]

we'll use ring as well but it's better to get the agi pieces first

[hidden moth]

but doing normal wrist for a mix of both is fine

[potent pivot]

you can't embellish those

[hidden moth]

u right

[potent pivot]

doubt they'll be bis anyway

[brazen burrow]

Is there a pin with the bis gear? Cant see one

[runic trench]

the only reason people crafted weapons

is because it was week 1

now you get 2 for free

[hidden moth]

this is what im rocking but i messed up gearing

shouldve went for engi helm not tier helm, and got tier gloves instead of blood token gloves.

[potent pivot]

there isn't

[runic trench]

hy alacrity

why

[hidden moth]

also crafted one too many rings but thats bc i accidently purchased an extra crafting item

[runic trench]

does sin not do well with on use?

[hidden moth]

bleeds everywhere no real "burst"

[runic trench]

what do you mean 1 too many rings

[hidden moth]

so alacrity is just more damage

[runic trench]

like you have 3 rings?

[potent pivot]

sin only ran badge in DF because KB's initial hit did a lot of dam

[hidden moth]

i have 2 but i would rather have crafted neck or got trinket a week soon er

than i did

[runic trench]

ah, rings and neck have the same stat budget dont they?

[runic trench]

thats the ones you buy

the ones you craft are all 50/50

[hidden moth]

yeah same 2ndarty stats

ik that

i just posted so i could quick compare

same # of secondary stats on each

[runic trench]

all items that cost the same

have the same budget

[hidden moth]

yeah but either way i wouldve had trinket a week sooner

[runic trench]

true

the pvp items are way too vers heavy

[hidden moth]

now i just need to get conq neck and medalian and ill be out of honor gear

[runic trench]

has that always been the case

its like 4000 vers 300 mastery and shit

[hidden moth]

mostly ye

but it makes sense bc vers gives dre

dr

damn im almost done with ruffious bid

any one care to explain how a feral druid almost dead in kaz algar went immune to damage

[runic trench]

i saw that on a shaman

he was immune for like 8-9 seconds

[hidden moth]

actually it might be some quest reward thing

[potent pivot]

there's also some weird wpvp items you can buy in dornogal

[hidden moth]

interesting

[potent pivot]

in the room across the way from the pvp gear vendor room

iirc

[brazen burrow]

Cant we just go double Elemental Focus?

[hidden moth]

u can but the vers is nice

[potent pivot]

ye that's what i said earlier

2x duskthread or lens

[brazen burrow]

tyty

Do we go for 4 set?

[potent pivot]

for which spec

outlaw and sin do, sub most likely stays 2p

[gusty hedge]

it doesnt rather more dam from maingauche. the Main thing with trickster u wanna send ks on cd when available, same with coup,( unseen blade) procs boost finisher abilities by %. Maximize dam output. Crackshot for filler cp/damage/cd reset. most damage will come from MG/Killingspree /dispatch/bte. Ks makes target become dazed taking more damage. always want to send that off Cd, sometimes u might wanna save it to line it up with coup for big Damage,then fall into your crackshot rotation/reset.
Main G seems to proc way more on trickters from auto attacks/swiftslasher. (talent into MG) where it seems u are not doing much but in reality u are silently deleting people before you know it.
Trickstsr just feels awful with crit.(imo, better with rounded build/focused haste)
Crit vers slaps with fatebound outlaw.
even then still worth the attempt to test out 100%

[sweet swallow]

server going down 😦

[hidden moth]

so im seeing u can get crests from "rival and elite games" but wasnt getting any on wins at 2300+ cr in blitz bugged or nah

What patch are they pushing now

[runic trench]

11.0.nerfsub

every time feral bleeds tick, they also cast ferocious bite on the enemy

we felt like this was necessary to help an undeperforming spec in pvp

[potent pivot]

sometimes i swear i see them bite 6 times in a row

do they have some sort of busted refund machanic

[hidden moth]

yeah

during primal wrath and they have a 45 second cd instant cast that gives them max combos

primal wrath makes it so they refund combos when using finishers

and it refunds like 4-5 at a tiome

[runic trench]

i would play feral

but i like mog too much

[hidden moth]

druid mogs are cheeks anyways

[potent pivot]

can we like

[hidden moth]

then puts out guides instruction how to use spec wrong

[potent pivot]

not flame people for no reason

[hidden moth]

sorry ranting

[potent pivot]

it's fine to disagree with someone

but flaming and bringing up someone's rating etc just isn't cool yo

[hidden moth]

"use kingsbane dont use indiscriminate carnage"

fair. but even then its no wonder he is stuck there with the advice he is giving

[potent pivot]

that's okay depending on comps

[brazen burrow]

What 2 pieces do sub use and what 4 does Assa use?

[hidden moth]

in blitz

[hidden moth]

shoulder pants, shoulder pants gloves chest

[potent pivot]

for 2p it's legs/shoulders, the vers/mastery pieces
for 4p it's kind of a toss up. everything except helm or gloves

[hidden moth]

^ depends on if u wanna use engi helm or not for assa

[potent pivot]

I think some are also using reg crafted helm

I don’t think assa is going to have a specific bis when it comes to gloves/helm

It’s gonna remain preference imo

[hidden moth]

makes sense, idk what the soft cap is on stats but uber boosting one to hit soft cap vs raising both to just below soft cap is a toss up

[potent pivot]

There are no soft caps

Only diminishing returns, which aren’t very punishing at all

[hidden moth]

dr is soft cap no?

[potent pivot]

There’s a link with info about stat DRs at the bottom of the pins

[hidden moth]

soft cap being the cut off where dr starts

[potent pivot]

Not exactly what I’d call a soft cap

[hidden moth]

at least that is what the souls community sees them as

[potent pivot]

Idk maybe some would consider it a soft cap but to me DR is a different thing

There’s multiple DR thresholds

[potent pivot]

Yeah some people also run that type of build in blitz

More people stick with Deathstalker build, but some do run Fate or KB etc

Imo there is no definitive blitz builds

You can make so many things work even to rank 1

Deathstalker is just much better for aoe and bleed dmg in general

[hidden moth]

Yeah, u can make both work. But when ur giving a guide and telling people opener is garrote x2 ambush rupture snd build 5 cp then ct build 5 more cp then tea shiv death mark kidney, vanish, garrote 2x cheap envenom

[indigo lava]

did assa nerfed?

[hidden moth]

no y

[indigo lava]

from 2k to 1.5k this week

[hidden moth]

wym

did u lose 500 cr

[indigo lava]

yup

lose streak

[hidden moth]

no assa got buffed actually

[indigo lava]

too much que for solo and i lose

no chance vs subs

[hidden moth]

there is just gotta out play them

u can dot them up and vanish and watch as they melt

[indigo lava]

well it was my strategy until 2k last week

[hidden moth]

u using big cloak?

[indigo lava]

wym?

[hidden moth]

pvp talent

[indigo lava]

veil of midnight?

[hidden moth]

ye that

[indigo lava]

ofc

im not gonna blame the others

but i lose to healers

[grave basin]

bois

fending off darkness is up

on NA

[hidden moth]

what that

[grave basin]

world quest that hasnt been up for ages

if you need the achivvement

[hidden moth]

309mil in a silvershard send help

[lone anvil]

I lose to everyone bro, don't feel bad.

And like fucking MONKS in arenas bro. Jerry Seinfeld voice "what's the deal with monks"

I just see a rogue and I start fighting him, and this rogue is tanky and has all these weird knock backs and things. Im like "this is a weird rogue"

[hidden moth]

Kultirin

[lone anvil]

But it's not a rogue at all it's a WW monk. And a WW monk with a healer is a tough team in 2s my friend

[hidden moth]

That racial is bis for blitz

[lone anvil]

What is kultirin lol

[hidden moth]

Nvm ur talkin about monks

It’s a race

[lone anvil]

Or weird rogues

Yeah

[hidden moth]

Alliance ally race

[lone anvil]

Monks are very weird rogues

[hidden moth]

I mean monks arnt weird rogues they play way different

[lone anvil]

I think you're missing my point lol

I quit before monks were introduced. So Everytime I see an energy bar I assume it's a rogue

[hidden moth]

Could be a feral Druid

[lone anvil]

And then, eventually their abilities don't align with a typical rogue tool kit

Ferals shows a cat in the little icon of the person you're targeting

[sturdy zealot]

i need ur rants more often this is therapeutic

[lone anvil]

That little circle

[hidden moth]

U should have class image by their name plate in ur arena frames

[hidden moth]

Depends on weak auras but sure

[warped gate]

I waited 20 minutes for this.

[hidden moth]

Also if it was a rogue it would start from stealth

[lone anvil]

Yeah....really weird rogue

Don't start from stealth or anything

Sheeeeesh

[stoic spruce]

Sometimes I dont

[hidden moth]

Also they can’t use the same ability 2x in a row

I mean they can but it’s troll

Their chi is less like combos more like holy power iirc

[lone anvil]

I appreciate you but I'm making fun of myself for something that I think is funny and you're being slightly too analytical. I wasn't asking for help telling monks and rogues apart I'm roasting myself for being fooled by them when I really shouldn't. I have BGE

I'm just trying to be light hearted

[hidden moth]

Bge is okay in arena imo sarena is top tier

[lone anvil]

I have both

[hidden moth]

Bge is bis in blitz though but yeah I get ya

Idk

Half the shit u say in here

[warped gate]

I got a lot of that during MoP, especially since a lot of the cooler t-mogs made me look like a rogue.

[hidden moth]

I can’t tell if ur being funny or an ape

[warped gate]

I was a WW Monk.

[lone anvil]

I use BGE in blitz and sarena in arenas

[hidden moth]

😉

[lone anvil]

Its a deadly combo of the two my friend

[potent pivot]

You the man ty

[warped gate]

Sarena is a Gladius alternative or something?

[lone anvil]

I do need more help understanding weak auras. I downloaded the addon weak auras. But people say "do you have a weak aura for "this or that" which confuses me. Do I download more addons to feed the addon I have. Like when you buy a pet snake and then you have to buy little pet mice to feed him

[hidden moth]

The line has faded out so much it might as well have pressed vanish xD

[warped gate]

WeakAuras is basically a swiss army knife for functions, it can basically do anything if you try hard enough.

[hidden moth]

U basically make a weak aura in weak auras but if u don’t wanna learn how etc bc it can be much you can copy other peoples weak auras

[warped gate]

I have a WA that tracks my buffs, tracks enemy debuffs, plays a SFX when certain things happen, does a countdown for other things; it's insane.

[hidden moth]

Wago.io will help. This is the Luxthos rogue w/a keeps everything I need in a general spot

Also love gladiatorlossa so helpful (not in bgs gl to your ears)

[lone anvil]

So much to learn. So little brain cells

Can I make a weak aura that cues the song "Danger Zone" when I get an enemy to 25% hp

[lone anvil]

Can you help me with weak auras when you get time or if there a good video I should watch for rogues and WA

[potent pivot]

You can make WAs do so much more it’s actually insane

[hidden moth]

Kinda

[potent pivot]

Like borderline illegal feeling stuff

[potent pivot]

Or “TOS” feeling stuff

Have any of you ever paid any attention to the types of WAs that get made for the rwf?

[hidden moth]

In the screen shot @lone anvil u can see my garrote is off cd and has 15 second duration on my target, 297 energy 1 cp rupture on 3 targets with 9 seconds remaining on current target, crimson tempest for 11 seconds remaining, 1 charge of shiv with 17 seconds left on cd, 2 teams charges with 1 coming back in 46 seconds and death mark applied to my target with 5 seconds left

[lone anvil]

That's awesome

[surreal barn]

Like my time to no combat WA

[hidden moth]

Also I have 3 seconds to mutilate for the 30% mutilate proc and 21 seconds to use my darkest night proc

Also a w/a by my nameplate showing I have trinket available

[lone anvil]

Sounds like I should figure out how to use WA lol

[hidden moth]

Legit go to wago.io

War within rogue

And scroll

[lone anvil]

I have wago

That easy?

[hidden moth]

I’ll get u this w/a link

Yeah

People make em and upload there

[lone anvil]

Just copy and paste lol

Amazing

God bless smart people

🙏🏼

[grave basin]

damn theres no rng protection on these

you can get it twice

[hidden moth]

https://wago.io/LuxthosRogueWarWithin

[potent pivot]

Crazy what you can do when you have paid WA creators

[hidden moth]

@lone anvil I put it at .8 scale and x axis 0 y axis -270 for where the aura group sits once u import it. Feel free to change the scaling based on ur screen

[lone anvil]

Bro I would be so lost without you guys. There seriously is a huge learning curve

[hidden moth]

Luxthos is goated

[lone anvil]

Whenever I break past 1300 in solo shuffle I'll remember everyone who got me there

[potent pivot]

That’s not a paid creator I don’t think. I hate those WAs for pvp

I was talking about the rwf guilds having people they pay to make WAs

[hidden moth]

Oh yeah that

[potent pivot]

Those WAs especially for sin feel redundant to me

[orchid plinth]

I can't stand the WA packages because they always look like poop so I make my own if I need something

[hidden moth]

It helps with tracking resource so I don’t mind it

[potent pivot]

I’d rather see all my bleeds on nameplates

[grave basin]

this is da whey

[hidden moth]

I check there as well just nice knowing procs etc

[potent pivot]

I make my own WAs for certain procs I care about

[hidden moth]

Not trying to hunt my darkest night proc or other stuff on my buff bar that gets convoluted anytime an rdruid shows up

I did that in tbc to track the 1800 haste procs hunter had

[potent pivot]

I can’t stand having all that shit in the middle of my screen where I’d rather have OmniBar

[hidden moth]

I put Omni to the sides of it

[orchid plinth]

Also UIs are very personal so just do whatever suits you. I am a boomer so I can't help myself from looking at the action bars.

[lone anvil]

In your guys' s experience, does it negatively effect your character movement if you have your damage spammables like mutilate, garrote, ambush, fan of knives set on mouse binds as opposed to keyboard binds. Is there any advantage to chosing where you bind those abilities too

[hidden moth]

Staring at bars and not what’s happening will make u lose track of ur healer and u los them and die

[orchid plinth]

I always have my spam ability on 2

[potent pivot]

You don’t stare, you glance down at your CDs and that’s it

[hidden moth]

So many dps I’ve yelled at in shuffle for los me then wondering why they didn’t get healed

[potent pivot]

That’s just bad situational awareness

[potent pivot]

[indigo hill]

I keep my builders on 1. Procs like pistol on 2.

[hidden moth]

My builder is on f8

[potent pivot]

That’s super personal preference

[indigo hill]

Interesting choice. Why?

[indigo hill]

Ah you got one of those.

[lone anvil]

So my 9 buttons on the left correspond with those 9 numbers and then the 9 defensive ones on the right are all shift modifiers of the same 9

[hidden moth]

I try to have defensives on mouse bind so I can move etc kiting at same time

Just don’t have gcd ability’s and off gcd abilities u wanna press at the same time for the same finger

[indigo hill]

I can't work with those 12 buttons. Always hit 2 buttons at the same time. 😂

[lone anvil]

Can you give me an example

[potent pivot]

Some are better than others with the angle of the actual buttons

Unless you just have fat thumbs that can’t be helped I suppose

[hidden moth]

If I’m wanting to vanish and cheap instantly I can’t have my mousse hand thumb hit vanish and cheap without delay

Or some delay

[indigo hill]

My thumbs are to wide and if I used the tip I have to keep my thumb in a weird angle.

[hidden moth]

So my having ring finger press q for cheap and alt+mouse wheel press for vanish

[lone anvil]

My vanish and cheap are the same button on the mouse just one is modified with shift

Is that bad

[hidden moth]

I can vanish and cheap in .01 second of vanishing

[indigo hill]

I got vanish on shift v and cheapshot on g.

Fending off Darkness WQ is up on eu btw.

[hidden moth]

@indigo hill btw the f8 choice is bc I don’t have a 10 key pad for the keyboard saves space for fps games and is just more comfy

[indigo hill]

You use a left handed mouse?

[hidden moth]

Bc of this I can’t rebind the 1-12 on the mouse buttons to the 10 key buttons. So I rebound 1-6 to f6-12

Right handed mouse

If I didn’t rebind the keys the mouse buttons use I would lose keys

[lone anvil]

And 1, 2,3 should be reserved for target enemy 1, target enemy 2 target enemy 3?

[hidden moth]

Bc “why press 1-6 with mouse hand if they are right there for my left to press on the keyboard

[hidden moth]

Up 2 u

But they arnt bad keys for it

[sturdy zealot]

whats the playstyle difference bw assass deathstalker and fatebound in bg blitz? it looks like most are going 50/50

[hidden moth]

I do recommend unbinding turn left right from a+d and making a+d strafe and that frees q+e for ability’s

Then u just turn with the mouse like an fps

[lone anvil]

And then all my CCs like gouge, kidney and kick should be on key board keys close to QWE like RFD ?

[lone anvil]

Yeah I use strafe on Q and E

[hidden moth]

No clue fate bound seemed too rng for me so I passed it

[hidden moth]

Put strafe on a and d and put ability’s on q and e

Huge game changer

Since u never wanna keyboard turn anyways

[orchid plinth]

Or the other way around, it doesn't matter. U can strafe with Q and E -'s have A and D for abilities.

[lone anvil]

Hmmm

[orchid plinth]

It's just a matter of what you are comfortable with

[hidden moth]

Up 2 u I have blind on shift mouse 1 kidney on alt mouse 1 kick on mouse 1

[lone anvil]

Multiple people in this discord and videos I've watched suggested QWE

[hidden moth]

Cheap on q gouge alt q trinket is f

[hidden moth]

This 2

Just find u end up having a and d with fingers chilling more comfy bc again fps player lol

[lone anvil]

Is it weird that I don't like having a bind on the middle mouse scroll wheel

[hidden moth]

W is still move forward and s is back step but I only back step when tanking or doing cheesy restealths hehe

[lone anvil]

Feels weird for one and I won't really wanna get rid of my ability to toggle the camera distance

[lone anvil]

I unbounded S completely

[hidden moth]

I left the scroll alone

[lone anvil]

Actually

S is stealth now

[grave basin]

i swear i love placements

[lone anvil]

I forgot

[grave basin]

2nd game in a row after 30min queue

some shitter leaves after losing every round

[hidden moth]

But u can press the button in and so I put stealth on mouse wheel press, vanish alt mouse wheel press and dance shift mouse wheel press

Health stone is alt mouse wheel scroll down

[orchid plinth]

I only use the scroll wheel for arena targeting and focus

[hidden moth]

And then I can press my wheel left and right for 2 more keys so I have smeld and my food bound there

[orchid plinth]

And side buttons for Dance and Step.

[hidden moth]

Don’t forget about shift space bar and zxcv for keys as well

[orchid plinth]

I like having Step and Dance easy to combine with any other ability

[hidden moth]

Step is mouse button 5 aka f11 lol

[grave basin]

imagine not using ctr -

imagine

[orchid plinth]

And other off the CGD abilities on non-modifiers like F V G X

But binds are also very personal

It there is some science to it

[hidden moth]

^

[orchid plinth]

But also one of the worlds best rogues uses Shift-U for Cloak so

[worthy crag]

Still need WASD bound to default movement

for when im eating with one hand and moving around with the other

[lone anvil]

So what exactly is this part of the weak Aura for?

Its located where my abilities usually go which clutters my screen.

[grave basin]

why even use a pve weak aura

[lone anvil]

is it necessary? Can I get rid of it entirely or move it

[grave basin]

that's the shit hyperz got flamed for

[lone anvil]

Im using the pvp one he linked

LuxthosRogueWarWithin

[grave basin]

if you wanna customise it

open weak aura

then you can expand that specific one

and delete whichever parts you dont want

[potent pivot]

Most go deathstalker, it’s more aoe/bleed focused. Fate is okay with more ST oriented stuff like kingsbane vs certain classes. There’s really no playstyle difference though in the grand scheme of things.

[potent pivot]

That’s not a pvp wa pack

It’s a pve pack

[orchid plinth]

One thing with all these weak auras Omni CD trackers etc:

Play a solo shuffles and when your done with it: think about how many times you actually looked at the thing. If you didn't look at it you probably don't have the "cognitive capability" (at the moment) to parse all the info on the screen. If you have something on your screen taking up space without giving you value: remove it.

[lone anvil]

How can you tellt he difference, im so confused lol

[potent pivot]

There are no pvp WA packs like that

Because most pvpers do not use them

Those are made mainly for pve

[grave basin]

they arent made for pvp because of exactly what you said

it's screenclutter

[orchid plinth]

They are made to help you do your optimal rotation but that is not the thing you are doing in PvP very often.

Shiv glowing when it's off CD but you are playing Hemotoxin so do you really wanna press it right now when to healer is in CC anyways? I don't know, shit like that.

[lone anvil]

Wait WA in general arent made for PvP

[grave basin]

there are

like skillcapped ones

[orchid plinth]

But I'd argue it's also: most people who are good at PvP nowadays are boomers who played for decades and WAs like those packs weren't really a thing back then.

[potent pivot]

No, WA HUDs like that big Luxthos pack

[lone anvil]

you just said they arent made for pvp

[orchid plinth]

So it's also a bit "cultural"

[lone anvil]

???

[grave basin]

you said it's cluttering your screen

[potent pivot]

He’s talking about the wa pack

[grave basin]

thats exactly why we dont use it

[potent pivot]

Not WAs in general

[lone anvil]

dont use what

WA in general?

[potent pivot]

Holy

[grave basin]

no

[lone anvil]

you need specific language please

[grave basin]

the one YOU posted

the screenshot you said about it cluttering your screen

and you wanted to get rid of some bits of it

[lone anvil]

yes

[grave basin]

yes that entire weak aura package is NOT for pvp

[potent pivot]

Even Kalvish and other youngins don’t use em

[grave basin]

it's just an example of A weakaura

[lone anvil]

you just used language that could have been interpretted multiple ways

so I was seeking clarity

[potent pivot]

I answered multiple times

[grave basin]

pvp weakauras more for cooldowns used on you

and by others

so externals

like ironbark

ps

weak aura is the addon

weak aura packages are what they contain

people just call the packages weak auras for short

[lone anvil]

You are two differnt people. I was trying to understand what Aziley was saying. You have to understand how confusing all of this is from my perspective.

1. Im told to download WA
2. I find out i have to like install mini packages into it its not already set up
3. @hidden moth links a WA for me to use so im following his instructions
4. then you guys tell me its a pve WA a
5. then you say "we dont use those in pvp" dont use what in PvE? weak auras? or specific packages? I dont know enough to know what youre talking about lol

its literally all new to me

[potent pivot]

The big “packs” or “HUDs” I specified multiple times :d

[grave basin]

the weak aura package you just downloaded