pvp

[jolly sierra]

lol

[gritty bobcat]

do i ahve to run sepsis

like am i going to miss out on a fucking kill bc of it

as sub

[worthy crag]

lol no

[gritty bobcat]

so why do people run it

to get 1 more cheap shot in ?

or like a shadow strike

[worthy crag]

no, just as a pathing node to invigorating shadowdust

the "extra ability from stealth" is pretty much meaningless

it doesnt rly do much dmg but its still better than perforated veins which is an alternative pathing node

I'm not sure if people will keep running it in TWW though

the pathing node to get to sepsis, either weaponmaster or first dance, are both fairly useless

[gritty bobcat]

no

the other option is

inevitability

@worthy crag

[worthy crag]

Ive tried it but never got the hang of utilizing it right

I know trill used to run it at least in parts of season2/3 along with shadowcraft

I like using shadowcraft but never really understood his reasoning for inevitability

like you get to extend it maybe 1.5 seconds top

and dance is 8 seconds long, having a 10 sec vs 11.5 sec sod literally doesnt matter cuz dance is over anyway

[jolly sierra]

the fuck

just noticed i inherited ALL my CM tps

[stoic spruce]

not a lot of yellow names

[potent pivot]

they're too busy watching tik tok to hang out with us

[wintry dew]

Yeah all the dungeon portals are now acc wide

Was part of the warband features

[jolly sierra]

yeah whatever now gimme the CM sets too REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

i regret picking lock in mop

[wintry dew]

[jolly sierra]

that is one of my biggest regrets in past dude

[wintry dew]

Oh I can totally imagine

[stoic spruce]

oh yeah?

I had to get a new account because I moved out of my dads house

it had all my progress

back in SL

talking

Mage tower

CM

Glads

etc

BUT

The light at the end of this tunnel

is I have Invincible and he still doesnt

[wintry dew]

And why did you need a new account?

[inner tartan]

that is low key pretty tame to what i have seen

[stoic spruce]

because my dad plays too

[wintry dew]

I thought it was possible to move characters to another account

[potent pivot]

it used to be

but you lose most of your achievements and collections

especially stuff tied to timed achievements like glad/mage tower

that's why people that sold glad characters would keep the mogs and mounts unlearned in the bags of the character, so the buyer could learn them after transferring the character to their account

[wintry dew]

Damn, okay...
Had no idea xD

[rose iris]

Guys wound poision or deadly for pvp? 😮

[wanton breach]

wound

[rose iris]

Ty!

[stoic spruce]

NOT HIGH ENOUGH

[verbal field]

One question, is outlaw or assa more beginner friendly in pvp?

[stoic spruce]

assa

its also better

[indigo hill]

Assboys. Outlaw does no damage atm. Good for cc though.

[vital socket]

MASTERY STACKING OUTLAW IS THE WAY

[wanton breach]

still boring as fuck

[stoic spruce]

when mastery is the best stat, theres something wrong lol

[wanton breach]

surely haste outlaw will be a thing in TWW

[stoic spruce]

im fine with any stat being the way tbh

youre gonna get 25% haste regardless what it is

[indigo hill]

Im balancing crit/mast on outlaw atm.

[stoic spruce]

prolly gonna be the play

if I had to guess

[gusty hedge]

gonna throw up if igotta stack mastery 😭

[gusty hedge]

Pistol poppin. This the Move always has been

[low tree]

New to rogue and wow in general, for pvp is focus binds for things like step, kick, kidney, cheap, gouge enough or do people use arena 1,2,3 for all of these?

[gusty hedge]

I think the majority at higher ratings use arena 123 macros. Focus macros are a must too imo. if you have some nice binds for arena you should be good to go. In short there are people who use both arena and focus and some who use one or the other.
If u can set up 123 macros it should make things feel easier as you dont have to drop target to cc or stun etc

[low tree]

Yeah it's just been a struggle trying to make efficient keybinds for all those abilities to have arena 123 without a mmo mouse. Then in the heat of the moment I gotta look at who im trying to cc, remember the bind for it, and then press it which slows me down

id rather build that good habit now but just having binds like F1,F2,F3 to focus enemies and then having focus binds for cc seems a bit more manageable

[spring bough]

wtb outlaw mastery rework

maybe something like sword spec extra MH wep swing. bring back melee dmg as top dmg for outlaw LOL

[surreal barn]

that would have been a nice passive human racial … instead of the shitty trinket

[lavish idol]

seem to have tonnes of lua errors with gladius, is there an updated arena frame?

[plucky escarp]

Many people do this. I am an Area123 boy currently, but I started as a tab targeter, then a right click frame focus guy, then a /focus123 on a keybind. I started wow in shadowlands and I would say, that although I cannot go back to non-arena123 at this point it really isn't that big of a deal. I play with a muli-glad 3s friend who literally clicks certain abilities on his bar on his warrior lol. He is just used it.

I arena123 alot. Cheap, Kidney, Blind, Sap, Gouge, kick, Shadowsteps (also party123), and then I have a dedicated keybind to target arena123. It is very helpful once you get used to it.

[warped gate]

Yeah, I’m getting my cheeks clapped left and right with Outlaw PvP.

I thought it would change with gear but no, still sucking. Even when I win, I’m usually the lowest damage on the winning team.

Can’t wait for TWW to drop so I can start leveling and get out this pre-expansion hell.

[worthy crag]

Man

the whole premise of subtlety where im just pulling evasive maneuvers while looking at stun dr counter to hit 0 has really become dull and boring

Esp after trying out other reworked melees

[outer sky]

Doing some more testing

any lobby with a decent mage seems impossible

since they wont let you cleave them

[potent pivot]

You can try the skillcapped ui addon

They made some tweaks to a bunch of addons

@outer sky I think it has what you were looking for the other day as well

[lime oar]

Do you have any recommends for which ones are absolute musts for starting out? I’m new to using arena123 from tabbing

[plucky escarp]

If I was going to pick two it would be sap and blind, because you are very often not sapping or blinding your target. It is nice to sap someone and then already have been targeting kill target.

[outer sky]

What was I looking for?

[blissful osprey]

I’m a tab targeted and nameplate clicker 😄 I use a focus target blind macro but rarely use it tbh. I play around 2.2k. Yardstick

[potent pivot]

something to do with better CC visuals i think?

[potent pivot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9n5o7fHvzIA

check this out

it looks really good and i think you toggle which addons you want/don't want

[outer sky]

Hmm ok I'll give it a shot

[potent pivot]

i might start using it myself

there's a free and a paid version, the paid version has everything perfectly set up with custom profiles

but i think even the free version is good if you just set up the rest yourself

[waxen meteor]

Homies did i miss anything or the prepatch content is just one world event at WLK map?

and got some of the coins to redeem one of below

• a smaller bag
• a smaller material bag
• a lower item level gear
• and a pet?

[potent pivot]

i'm pretty sure there's multiple events, but i haven't checked anything out yet so not sure

i think they made an easier way to get the legendary axe?

@wintry dew might know more

[outer sky]

is it a one time payment or a sub? if its just a couple of bucks one time I may buy it

[potent pivot]

usually paid UI stuff is a one time payment to like a patreon or something, but whenever an update comes out i believe you'd have to resub to it to get updates?

i'm not sure how skillcapped's thing works, i've used AtrocityUI in the past for pve and that's how it worked

the weird thing is, once someone pays for it i'm pretty sure they can export those profiles to their homies for free

it's such a weird thing to monetize wow addons and UI's in the first place imo, it kinda teeters on being ToS

[low tree]

do you use a mmo mouse

[wintry dew]

If we're talking about the pre patch event, after the buffs it received last night, it's pretty accessible. I only did it to create my heirloom ring and nothing else tho

[outer sky]

this thing aint working for me

[potent pivot]

wdym

[potent pivot]

yeah tarny was just asking about the events and rewards n stuff, i just didn't know

[potent pivot]

also do you know about the legendary axe thing, did they come out with an easy way to acquire it or something?

[outer sky]

The folder theyre saying to move it to doesnt exist

[potent pivot]

i think it's the WTF folder?

[potent pivot]

check interface actually

[outer sky]

tried that and it didnt work

[potent pivot]

that's what mine looks like

[wintry dew]

I've not read anything about fyr'alath being easier to get

[potent pivot]

i saw someone farming some event and then killing echo of fyrakk or something

maybe that's how it was gotten in the first place i have no idea

Yeah nvm looks like it’s the same

[wanton breach]

err there is a super short event after you do all the quests where you have to kill some stuff, like a 1 stage scenario

it was insanely forgettable

[wintry dew]

But isnt that like the last step of the legendary axe questline?

[plucky escarp]

Yes

[wanton breach]

it is

[low tree]

Ima stick to focus since until I get a mmo mouse, just makes it way simpler

[hexed pewter]

is sin easier than surv hunter?

[stoic spruce]

Ye

[hexed pewter]

ty!

is sin also the best 1v1 class or only sub is?

[swift smelt]

man pre patch dmg is tough as rog

600k oblits

rip

[potent pivot]

usually i'd say sub, but atm during prepatch with armor being fucked, sin is prolly the only spec doing decent dmg anyway

[outer sky]

the more i play with spike over KB the more I'm liking it

34m damage is not bad at all

I could press KB 34 times and it wouldnt do that much

Plus it helps with combo point generation

after a while you have 3 stacks on everyone so every time you rupture you get 4 combo points back

even with 1 stack it feels nice

I'm calling it

if assa goes live like this we will be playing this build

[potent pivot]

KB doesn't do 1m damage across the first hit and the dot?

that's insane if so

regardless sbs looking good, i can dig it

[outer sky]

Maybe if you get a super juiced first hit. But I have optimal gear on beta and the highest KB crit i've ever seen was 850k and idk what was going on. Usually they cap around 650k and on average are 4-550k

and 34 KBs is also unrealistic. That would mean the lobby took 25.5 minutes and you used KB the second it came off CD every time

So I'm confident in saying SBS will do at least 30% more damage than KB

maybe more

[potent pivot]

yeah i was just surprised at you saying it was doing under 1m, surely the initial hit+dot are doing that much yeah?

not really trying to counter the sbs vs kb statement or anything

i like the idea of getting refunded combo points ngl

makes it easier to upkeep

[blissful osprey]

But what about kill windows

Overall damage is just a meme?

Surely KB is good to help secure a kill

[potent pivot]

the issue is it's doing basically the same damage on beta at level 80 fully geared as it's doing on live at level 70 fully geared

they nerfed the initial hit a little bit, but it seems to be underperforming by a large magin compared to what it should be doing

[outer sky]

people have 8m health. KB is critting for like 600k. It doesn't do what it does on retail

[potent pivot]

health pools are ~7m and as star said earlier, KB's initial hit is only doing like 500k on average

[outer sky]

half the time it crits for under 500k

so its just not an impactful enough burst

outlaw dispatches are hitting about as hard as KB is

on beta

[potent pivot]

i wonder if there's some kind of bug that's making it so underwhelming

like maybe it's not being affected by some modifiers

because even with that small nerf they did, it shouldn't be so bad

[outer sky]

the initial hit needs to be AT LEAST 2m for me to consider it as an option for "kill windows"

and I dont really see it getting a 400% buff tbh

plus not using it frees up your trinket for the proc trinket

which has like 30% uptime give or take

and also provides 2% haste

which i think is better than 2% crit for assa

[outer sky]

These are the talents I'm using now and what i would recommend into most matchups if the game were to go live in its current configuration

only caveat

Youll see I'm playing nimble fingers

Thats because cheap shot is bugged and not working during subterfuge

on beta

so I basically am never pressing cheap

if that bug didn't exist i'd drop nimble fingers for rushed setup

I'm also still not 100% sure shadowrunner adds enough value to be taken but for now I'm telling myself its helping me get saps before someone gets in combat

Now, I am curious to see how they tune the fatal intent hero talent. if that's a big enough hit when someone reaches 20% I could maybe see an argument for KB in a kidney>bomb>KB to hit 20%>Fatal intent scenario

obviously right now it's doing 0

[potent pivot]

I think 2m is too much ngl

I don’t think it can be allowed to hit more than maybe 25% of a health pool

I really think 1-1.5m would be a good enough sweet spot

[outer sky]

On retail it was hitting for like 1/3rd of people's health

1m is too low

[potent pivot]

And yeah our ~3 utility nodes in the lower part of the tree feel so impactful it doesn’t even matter what we choose honestly

[outer sky]

I think 25% of someone's health is fine tbh

Def not less than 20%

But 25% would be okay

Lots of classes have abilities that are doing 2m damage

Or more

[potent pivot]

The problem I’m seeing coming is if it does too much people will gripe until it’s nerfed

[outer sky]

25% would be a nerf from where it is on retail

[potent pivot]

What are s4 health pools?

2m?

[outer sky]

Nah

My rogue had 1.6m

Some classes maybe 1.8

[potent pivot]

some classes have about 2m i'm pretty sure

1.9m minimum

[outer sky]

If you have a talent that gives you stamina

And a priest buff

It can hapoen

Happen*

[potent pivot]

no priest

[outer sky]

Yeah it can happen but it's not the norm

That a lock?

[potent pivot]

shaman

[outer sky]

Oh duh

[potent pivot]

dk has even more

[outer sky]

Well most hp pools were 1.6-1.8

[potent pivot]

well either way on average we can say it was doing a 3rd of most people's health yes

but they nerfed it with that in mind i think

that's why i don't think it doing that much is considered healthy for the game

[outer sky]

Yeah so 1/4th should be fine

[potent pivot]

ye

that's what i was saying

25% at most

is everyone on beta 8m?

i thought it was 7

[potent pivot]

is KB being properly affected by Shiv and other nature dmg buffs you think?

Shiv and Lethal Dose would be the only things ig

maybe Symbolic Victory as well though idk if we'll even run it

[outer sky]

So people have between 7 and 8m hp

Call it 7.5m

So KB to hit 25% would be 1,875,000

That would be like a 350% buff

Which I don't see happening

Symbolic victory only affects envenom

[potent pivot]

yeah my bad i meant Lingering Darkness

[outer sky]

Not sure, regardless that's only 20% but i think that talent is a PITA to play around

[potent pivot]

yeah i'm just saying maybe there's a chance KB is bugged

like maybe shiv or lethal dose aren't affecting it properly on beta or something

[outer sky]

I can test it shortly on a dummy

I'll play CB so it always crits

I'll do one with shiv and one without shiv

[potent pivot]

can check lethal dose somewhat easily by just sending a KB without applying dots first then one with, but that's only like +10%(?) anyway so not as big of a deal either way

KB's initial hit was only nerfed by like, 15%?

it shouldn't be this bad

[outer sky]

Wasn't that an old nerf?

Like early S4

[potent pivot]

i just had it open 1 sec

pretty sure it was a beta only nerf

[outer sky]

I know they nerfed the initial hit and buffed the DoT effect the same time they nerfed empowered garrote from 30% extra dam to 20% in early S4

[potent pivot]

was a while ago but i don't think it's affected live?

and this is the same post from the improved garrote nerf as well

KB was also buffed a week ago

so it's just not making any sense to me

[outer sky]

Yeah they buffed KB and they buffed all rogue dam by 10%

[potent pivot]

yeah

so it's not making sense that it's doing the same dam as live

[potent pivot]

this was basically a 20% buff to the initial hit

• the 10% damage to all abilities

so even with the 15% nerf from before it'd be doing more than before

[outer sky]

I noticed post buffs it's hitting maybe 50-70k harder

But that's it

[lucid citrus]

does classic have their own check pvp as well?

[potent pivot]

no idea

if you check the pins in #classic-discussion there's links to the rogue classic discord

might be able to ask in that discord

[jolly sierra]

i think no

cuz they have some api shit which doesnt let even have armory

[solemn patrol]

is double dps 2's still good? and is rogue/mage still the go to?

[potent pivot]

think so, the issue atm though is armor is fucked so if you're playing sub or outlaw you'll probably have trouble trying to pull it off

[candid tide]

guys do yall use qwe for walking or default wad?

[potent pivot]

doesn't really make a difference, more of a comfort thing

as long as you're strafing and not keyboard turning

[candid tide]

do you use mouse side buttons for shift ctrl alt too?

[potent pivot]

nope

[candid tide]

do you play arena 123?

[potent pivot]

i've tried it out in the past, wasn't my thing

i use arena123, focus123, and blind123

[candid tide]

dang

[potent pivot]

i have those on mouse buttons

but i use my keyboard's modifiers

[candid tide]

im thinking hmn

to get my game to the next level

[potent pivot]

like shift-mouse123, ctrl-mouse123, alt-mouse123

i would try doing it in steps

[candid tide]

its overwhelming idd

[potent pivot]

like get used to using modifiers first

then get used to using focus abilities

then start with the 123 stuff

[candid tide]

itrs the 123 stuffs thats gonna be tough for a sec

[potent pivot]

you gotta really practice each one on it's own imo

once you get used to the first two, it's not as bad as you think to do 123 stuff

[candid tide]

do u have the script that display numbers on enemies right?

[potent pivot]

i don't

it's not a bad thing to have though

[candid tide]

so you look at sarena/gladius to see which is 123?

[potent pivot]

https://www.reddit.com/r/worldofpvp/comments/j2jlz3/how_can_i_always_show_arena_12_and_3_numbers_over/

[potent pivot]

yeh

[steel scarab]

We wouldn't need Arena123 if people didn't have 30 pets

Just saying, it doesn't make for good gameplay

[candid tide]

dude

[potent pivot]

i think we'd definitely still use a123 even if there were no pets in the game

[candid tide]

i think jellybeans plays fully arena123 everything

he has a123 for every cc skills iirc

its binded on his mouse or some

[potent pivot]

yeah that's just unnecessary imo

also a bit easier for a ranged player to get used to something like that

[worthy crag]

Its just personal pref

I try not to use alt modifier for combat related keybinds because it requires a thumb

Which is awkward compared to shift or ctrl which i can press with a more "regular" finger

aka pinky

Everyone should use a nameplate addon that lets them disable showing plates for minions tho

[candid tide]

yeah my keychron alt sucks bad

its not near the thumb at all

[potent pivot]

you can move binds on the keyboard

like making caps lock into Shift

or ctrl

or making spacebar into Alt

[candid tide]

space bar hast to be jump idk

[potent pivot]

for what

[candid tide]

for jumping xD

[potent pivot]

you very rarely need to jump in an arena

[candid tide]

i have shift+spacebar for sprint also

[potent pivot]

like i can see maybe wanting it for vertical maps

but spacebar is such a prime bind

[candid tide]

which has been one the best keybinds invented in history of wow

yeah maybe

[worthy crag]

def feels like going too far

Jumping is good for like

[potent pivot]

it's really not, especially for those who move with QWE

[worthy crag]

pally steed 0.01 sec remaining when you jump

[potent pivot]

pinky naturally rests on caps lock if you move with QWE

[candid tide]

theres also a new keybind in options called move and steering

[potent pivot]

makes for the easiest modifier ever

[worthy crag]

I mean doesnt that apply across all programs tho

Like wouldnt you have to revert that back when ur not on wow and want to use caps w.e

[potent pivot]

most keyboards have profiles

same with mice

when i have wow up and i'm in it's window, i'm using my wow profiles

when i'm outside of the wow window, i'm using regular old binds

[worthy crag]

damn, technology

[potent pivot]

yeh tech has come a long way

[candid tide]

u use qwe for movement?

[potent pivot]

i don't personally no

[candid tide]

idk its feeels weird

[potent pivot]

but even for me caps lock is easier to reach than ctrl

it's just even more natural feeling when using qwe

ctrl for me is very hard to reach

i have to like completely shift my hand

[candid tide]

problem with alt also at times is that it can eaasily combine with tab

and switch out ur game tab

[potent pivot]

what

[candid tide]

if u press alt+tab together

and tab is normally for targeting enemies ingame

[worthy crag]

My focus kidney macro is ctrl H

[potent pivot]

no it doesn't

if caps lock is changed into Control

how does it have anything to do with alt+tab

[candid tide]

thats a stretch

[candid tide]

ye it could work out better like that idd

any program u use to remap keyboard mappings and save profiles?

[potent pivot]

usually whatever program the keyboard maker has

like for my corsair i used corsair's iCue

[candid tide]

need one for keychron i suppose

[potent pivot]

i think they have one

[steel scarab]

How

The Fuck

Did we win this LOL

Look at the kills

[steel scarab]

It is crazy to win games like these when you're this outgunned

[jolly sierra]

i did one like that just because used the cloak trick w a sham

and trolled him enough to fulfill the cap

[steel scarab]

So apparently the key to these is, you just have to 100% carry your team

[jolly sierra]

when is needed

but rogs are keys for bgs

[gusty hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/atlanta-lakeith-stanfield-creepy-smile-creepy-gif-2838775962290957578

[wintry dew]

@pale storm BRO

I just saw your figurine

https://tenor.com/view/100-gif-25608859

[pale storm]

It came out really nice, I have another coming also 🙂

[wintry dew]

you better share here man

wtfff

ITS AMAZING

[wintry dew]

It's so well done I love it

[pale storm]

https://www.etsy.com/shop/TrinArtDesigns?ref=yr_purchases

[wanton breach]

that's neat, wish there was some orb or LED for the lightning effect on thunderfury

[pale storm]

The UD with the warglaives on the site is one she did for me also, on of the arms broke in transit so she’s sending stuff to fix it

Yeah if only that would be insane

[wintry dew]

Legit makes me want one of mine maaaaan

[wanton breach]

you better not order a or i'll have JJ revoke your mog mod status

[wintry dew]

LOL

[surreal barn]

That turned out soooo good - I would have done my male NE too

In netherblade 😎

[grave basin]

yo this is fire

[blissful osprey]

dbl silken lining or pvp boots?

[potent pivot]

depends on spec and how much mastery you already have

[blissful osprey]

crimson tempest, KB build

sub 90% mastery

as fresh alt with poopy gear

[potent pivot]

do you mean subtelty spec or under 90% mastery

build doesn't really matter, i meant which rogue spec

if assa with around 90% mastery i think you only want 1 silken

if sub you want double silken until you have like 120% mastery

but even sub drops to single silken once they have enough mastery

[blissful osprey]

under 90% mastery

ass

okay i take boots ty

[potent pivot]

i found this btw https://ironforge.pro

[lucid citrus]

ooo thank you!

[potent pivot]

it seems to function very similarly to check pvp but for classic

shows gear and build as well

[gritty bobcat]

im hitting 150k eviserates

on average

is that horrible?

[outer sky]

@potent pivot Beta was down last night but I just tested KB to see if the modifiers are working and I can confirm it is being buffed by shiv and lethal dose

[potent pivot]

word, apparently garrote is bugged and doing more dmg than it should be

[lucid citrus]

maybe they should keep that as it is :p

[outer sky]

Yeah they def need to keep that as is lol

[outer sky]

Where do you see this?

[potent pivot]

saw it on a stream earlier

apparently garrote during subterfuge is giving 5 combo points and doing like 500% ticks

[outer sky]

I haven't experienced the combo point bug

[potent pivot]

yeah i thought it was odd but he was doing it consistently

[outer sky]

Did you get a chance to see what his garrotes were hitting for?

[potent pivot]

ye, 260k ticks

[outer sky]

Damn

Mine are hitting harder than that

[potent pivot]

during subt

[outer sky]

I've gotten 370k ticks

260k is low lol

[potent pivot]

yeah i dont think they're meant to hit that hard

[outer sky]

The breakdown of garrote damage to everything else is more or less the same as it is on retail

my garrotes

@potent pivot

[river pollen]

Did they buff sub rogue or smth after the 10% damage increase? Now that my character is gearing up it feels pretty nice to play

There were a lot of complaints about sub rogues when i last checked here so I was worried

I only play sub rogue basically lol so if it sucks it sucks

[potent pivot]

Yeah average 120k ticks is fine

But 260-360k is not supposed to happen I don’t think

[potent pivot]

there's been a few random buffs here and there over the past few months

[river pollen]

Also is over 90% mastery an overkill or is more always good? Im at 110 right now

[river pollen]

Ohh i see

[potent pivot]

but overall yes there was more than just 10%

they also buffed sec tech and some other abilities

[potent pivot]

for sub?

[river pollen]

Yep

[potent pivot]

you want mastery cap on sub

cap is 126%

so you want ~120% and 1 silken lining embellishment

[river pollen]

Oh so i still need to eat more mastery

Lesgoo

Ty!

[potent pivot]

np

[outer sky]

but look how hard some of those ticks are hitting

373k

280k non crit

[potent pivot]

i looked at it on my phone and the only thing i saw was 120k

lmao

idk i might buy beta today or tomorrow so i can actually mess around myself

getting impatient

[lucid citrus]

dudeee me too

[outer sky]

you also get early xpac access

and a month of game time

[potent pivot]

the xpac access is pretty meaningless to me honestly

i've never paid for early access to anything

[outer sky]

I paid for beta+game time but the early access is a nice extra perk

[potent pivot]

yeah i mean the game time is a nice plus

and i guess you get those cosmetics as well

[jolly sierra]

for just 3 days?

u will ate all the bugs and lag delays u know lol

[potent pivot]

wdym 3 days

[outer sky]

3 days early access

Ice Lance lol

[potent pivot]

they replied to a message of me talking about beta

[outer sky]

oh yeah, no clue

[potent pivot]

maybe wrong reply

but yeah early access is pretty meh

[jolly sierra]

its still few time to play tho w beta

u have like 22 days remaining

[potent pivot]

it's a few weeks til launch

the point is to test stuff and try to have our "bis" gear picked out

that's the main thing i want

[jolly sierra]

hmmmmmmmmmmm

[potent pivot]

otherwise i'll have to wait like 3-4 weeks into the first season before i can put our bis gear in the FAQ

[jolly sierra]

well if is just to get in to have the idea clearer maybe is a good way

but remember all ur progress will be wiped out

so dont feel so attached

[potent pivot]

yeah i'm not worried about any game prog

just testing

really idk how reliable it'd be to use beta to choose bis gear

all of the stats are kinda likely to change on the items

[jolly sierra]

depends of evidence

how many times since early games to release have u seen any stat changes?

[potent pivot]

might just be better to wait until we're a couple weeks into the season and skip the gear section for now

[potent pivot]

very common in wow

[jolly sierra]

we will discuse that in week 0 anyways

[outer sky]

the way assa is designed and how its stats work I dont see why we'd ever want anything besides mastery/vers

[potent pivot]

this is a really bad mentality ngl, idk why it's so common among pvpers

assa especially has really good synergy with all 4 stats

like for sub i get why people are like that, haste is utter dogshit for sub for example

but that's just not the case for assa or outlaw

[jolly sierra]

i think the one which have it the simplest stat wise is WW monk

both versa mastery are direct benefits to ALL their dmg

[potent pivot]

didn't they just add haste scaling to some of their abilities in TWW

[jolly sierra]

the only thing u dont need to do to mess it up is hit 2 same consecutives hits

[jolly sierra]

they have alpha tiger

and idk if xuen still gives haste

[potent pivot]

no i mean having haste gear makes some of their abilities do more dmg or something

[jolly sierra]

aaaaaaaaahhhhh

idk about that

but they can snatch haste anyways

[potent pivot]

like outlaw is now basically going to require haste

for sin haste kinda plays into it's core feedback loop;
faster energy regen (meh), faster/more DoT ticks -> more venemous wounds -> more energy etcetcetc

[jolly sierra]

they rlly need some passive expose armor

else will be unviable

[potent pivot]

nah armor will normalize when we hit lvl80

[jolly sierra]

what when we are in late seasons?

[potent pivot]

no

[jolly sierra]

maybe armor will be scale like hell in that time

[potent pivot]

armor will be normal like as soon as s1 starts basically

[jolly sierra]

hm

[potent pivot]

what i'm assuming the issue is atm, since it's prepatch (11.0.0), they did the same thing they usually do and changed armor scaling for the next 10 levels

the reason we're feeling it so much worse than we have in the past is they buffed armor and healthpools at the same time

that's just my theory

[jolly sierra]

for me prepatch foreshadows a lot of stuff, even possible meta specs

[potent pivot]

but once s1 starts and we're lvl 80, it won't be anywhere near as bad. once we get geared it'll be basically normal.

[jolly sierra]

i recall in BFA had an assa which bullied me in outdoor and was a glad tho

when we reached shadowlands prepatch i switched to sub

found him again

[potent pivot]

with how much tuning they've been doing the past couple years prepatch is just a meme

[jolly sierra]

he attacked me and didnt efforted in killing him

after that in s1 assa was unexistent

[potent pivot]

even the tuning on actual beta i don't think is worth paying any attention to atm

[jolly sierra]

idk, we will need to see anyways

in case there are not changes

[lavish idol]

some advice, arena vs resto shaman. do you bother killing any totems? there's so many you could be spending all your time on them

[halcyon timber]

Always

[lavish idol]

Easier said than done, I find I'm just stuck on the heal like fly to shit, no dmg on target. any totem in particular?

[halcyon timber]

Healing tide , counterstrike, poison cleaning totem, and it depends

If it can screw you over, you kill it

Static field and earthgrab nonsense too

[lavish idol]

so just 3-5 to track

sorry but how are you managing all that

unless target is on top of heal. factor in you're likely the target also 😛

[halcyon timber]

I just use my eyes, been roguing a long time man. Kinda just slow things down and do things like a checklist

Just don’t let them get free crap off like that. The lava crud totem is kinda important too (can’t remember the name) but it keeps you in combat and gives them foameshocks rolling to instant lava burst space jam you. Also kill sky fury totem

[outer sky]

Liquid Magma Totem

[halcyon timber]

Yeah that tom foolery

[outer sky]

with 2 vanishes plus the fact that we usually play with casters that are dangerous to leave alone it's unlikely we'll be the target in most games

[lavish idol]

i beg to differ 😛 i'm getting melee trained often

[outer sky]

what comp are you playing?

[lavish idol]

ah solo

shuffle

hence the melee

[blissful osprey]

A decent plater profile set up to easily identify the totems or there are weak auras like the ones peakaboo uses to quickly see healing tide totems etc

[halcyon timber]

Tremor and grounding too. Haven’t paid any attention to how much life that new totem has . (Shields the heck out of them so good to kill it)

[narrow tangle]

i find it easier to kill totems with rogue especially outside of your burst windows

its rly annoying for shaman

when the totems get destroyed instantly

[potent pivot]

i think the skillcapped ui addon has that (the free version too iirc)

[halcyon timber]

Don’t do silly stuff like try to stun them when they are in the ground like a dugtrio either. (Noticed people have tried that lately)

[potent pivot]

@outer sky did you ever get the ui to import btw?

[acoustic wharf]

Is it correct that Rogue always has at least 1 good spec?

[potent pivot]

pretty much yeh

[outer sky]

nope

[potent pivot]

did you try just installing the addon off of curse forge

[hexed pewter]

who's better for 1v1, sin (not sub) or survival?

[outer sky]

i cant find it there

[outer sky]

sin

rogue should be able to win a 1v1 vs any other dps

[jolly sierra]

survi is assa natural counter

[hexed pewter]

but against other classes? should sin win most of the time compared to surv?

[potent pivot]

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/skill-capped-ui

[jolly sierra]

all classes has their strengths and weaknesses

for example we struggle a lot against mages

but hunters can counter them too

[vital socket]

i love watching monks get the flag and already be half way across the map

[jolly sierra]

they cheat with teleport to go to the second floor from the base and run away

in WSG

[vital socket]

either way the spammable speed and rolls is aids to deal with

[jolly sierra]

they have tiger lust, 3 rolls and dragon flying kick

[outer sky]

every melee struggles vs mages

hell yeah bois

[jolly sierra]

lol gratz

[jolly sierra]

maybe the most hated mage spec for me is arcane rather than frost

[outer sky]

Nah arcane can actually die

[jolly sierra]

cuz a very good arcane mage is unreachable

[outer sky]

so is a very good frost mage

[jolly sierra]

but was back in the day

when we just had 1 shadowstep

so was frustrating af to get close

[outer sky]

yeah that was borderline unplayable

also

ive never brought this up before but

does anyone remember freedom sprint?

Old school maneuverability

I wish theyd bring that back

in the current meta I'm so slowed all the time that sprint doesnt even feel like it does anything when I need it

[jolly sierra]

ye

was burst of speed

remember it from op

mop

[outer sky]

after that

burst of speed was something totally different

manuv was a pvp talent that cleared your snares when you sprinted

basically turned sprint into tigers lust

[jolly sierra]

manuv isnt that old with that build

i think they removed that for s3

this xp

that nerf was as shitty as w mfd removal

however nerfs are huge af w rog

we had mfd removed and both veil and manuv nerfed to hell

[outer sky]

@potent pivot Ok I installed the skillcapped thing

It looks nice. Gunna queue a skirm and see how I like it in a game

Anyone got a good omnibar profile I can import?

[pale storm]

Burst of speed came in WoD

[jolly sierra]

was in mop

[wintry dew]

MoP

[pale storm]

The ability

Yeah the snare removal wasn’t until WoD

Pretty sure

Like the WoD prepatch?

[outer sky]

@potent pivot So trying this skill capped addon, I don't really see the point. It makes you download a bunch of other addons that you could just download without the skill capped one. Also it wants me to use omni auras instead of big debuffs which I dont like nearly as much

Ok folks, this nameplate DR tracker is very highly rated. I must be using it wrong. According to this, my kidney shot should have been full duration. What's the issue?

[pale storm]

It’s set to 18 not 20

DR resets between 15-20 so add on guessing 18, maybe you just got unlucky?

Nvm that’s classic retail is static 18, very weird

[plush umbra]

hi guys! there a nice video on a pvp guide for area or even bg? also talents. I guess wowhead is still good but dont really see an actual guide, thanks!

[outer sky]

problem with like every pvp guide for every class and spec is that all they cover is gear, talents, and how to do damage

if you already have that down there's not much out there

what do you need to know? I'm 2750xp I can try and help

[jolly sierra]

why tf is this lever in arena starts?

[outer sky]

if everyone in the arena pull it then the timer goes to 10s

[plush umbra]

Umm mostly rotation and talents that’s all. But I’m sure I can figure that out. It would be an honor to learn anything from you

[jolly sierra]

oh

that was a very unexpected response

[outer sky]

which spec are you playing?

[steel scarab]

Finally hit 1800 in solo BG queue! Where do I buy the weapons!?

[jolly sierra]

GTFO to area 52 in netherstorm

and buy both rog set and pvp weps

u will unlock everything

both horde and alliance

[blissful osprey]

Wait what do you get for getting 1.8k in solo bg queue

[rose iris]

so funny trying to learn rogue and sit in 2400 rating lobbys...

feels like an impossible task

[steel scarab]

Nice, thanks panda!

Okay it seems I have nothing in Netherstorm explored lol

Is it worth going any higher in rated Blitz? Is there just more titles?

[rose iris]

Also the guides doesnt seem to help on the guides there is nowhere when to press slice and dice

[broken otter]

Hey, guys, I'm just getting into pre-patch, today. What's the go-to Rogue spec for Pre-patch BG Blitz PvP?

Also, I heard rumors about some armor bug, but I don't know what that bug is. Did they fix it?

Overall, I'm hearing bad things about Rogues in general, but I don't know the specifics.

[outer sky]

Armor is reducing physical damage by a crazy amount making any spec that relies on physical damage essentially unplayable

Assa rogue is your best bet because poisons and bleeds don't care about armor

[broken otter]

Word, thanks.

[wintry dew]

https://tenor.com/view/pull-the-lever-wrong-lever-wrong-lever-kronk-pull-the-lever-kronk-the-emperors-new-groove-gif-27333081

[tiny maple]

As it looks right now, does the gameplay speed look too slow for Sub to be fun to play, even if it’s fairly tuned in TWW?

[sick wasp]

its a ''im ready'' lever.If everyone presses it,game starts faster

time is money

xd

[warped gate]

I don’t think I had a single game where everyone pulled it, and I pull it every game.

[wanton breach]

probably most people aren't aware yet of what it does

[copper grove]

hi any pvp rogue subtetly guide plz ?

[wanton breach]

how is wild arcana is the worst designed pvp quest ever

it's baffling

ofc I love getting railed by a hunter farming torghast buffs with 60% damage reduction, 60% increased damage, 100% crit, 60% leech, 4 times my hp

[lone goblet]

Wait till you meet a demonhunter moving at 1000% speed.

[wanton breach]

oh yeah, i got oneshot by a bladedance for 1.6M before

very fun pvp design

[spring bough]

if yall use a bag addon like Bagnon and have been waiting for it to update. check out Baganator. has a pretty cool category setup

[plucky escarp]

I had my first yesterday! It was amazing

[dapper chasm]

I logged in and saw my UI still works in the new patch

https://tenor.com/view/my-job-here-is-done-bye-done-gif-14879937

[steel scarab]

Every time I see your avatar I think it's Gary Oldman and I love it

Then I remember you're a corporate consultant and that it couldn't possibly be Gary Oldman, and of course it would instead be Sam Rockwell lol

[nova viper]

Change race

Seeeeexo

Dwarf is bis

or human

or Tauren

Top og races

[jolly sierra]

bruh dw ill play another races in this season

[wanton breach]

WHOA

[jolly sierra]

maybe ill go with 2 rogs and push rating with both

[sick wasp]

im cooking my hpally

gonna clap some bttchicks in TWW

[jolly sierra]

hope dont become thirsty after some survived bursts

[steel scarab]

I'm gonna come out and say it. I miss Shadow Dance a lot, and I miss the hell out of Nightstalker, but two Vanishes feels better for assassination

[sick wasp]

hpally is very very good

[jolly sierra]

in TWW?

[sick wasp]

both in prepatch and beta

[jolly sierra]

in DF i recalled them turned dry af after a moment

xdd

[sick wasp]

in prepatch the rework dropped

hpally doesnt go oom now

[jolly sierra]

would be funny if they doesnt share bop dr w rets

the thing i disliked a lot w them was that as ret alt

[sick wasp]

oh no forbedance is a shared cd

for everyone

[jolly sierra]

cuz the guy screwed my spellwarden by using fkn bop

[sick wasp]

yup

[jolly sierra]

well, lets admit it

i really hate holys for a lot of reasons

xdd

[sick wasp]

they are a big counter to rogues

u DM they bop it

its over

[jolly sierra]

nah not from that pov

its because is very easy to counter when is w you or very easy to mess everything

shams ates bops

[sick wasp]

ah ye

sure

yup

its easy and peerless

eveyrthing is pretty simple

[jolly sierra]

yep xd

[sick wasp]

it has alot of stuff to utilize though

like it has an amazing kit

vs casters it takes reduced aura mastery and conc aura it

[jolly sierra]

double bop, sac, lay on hands

[sick wasp]

free casts into spellcaters

[jolly sierra]

the auras

with empowered

[sick wasp]

ye aura mastery

dev aura is a mini wall

conc aura is immunity to interrupts

thats every 1:30min

[jolly sierra]

its a very nice cd

[sick wasp]

and its not dispellable btw

its insanely powerful

[jolly sierra]

the other heal i dislike a lot is a rsham

but mostly because i just SS

so its a mess with disorganized gameplay

[sick wasp]

rsham was pretty strong

not that strong now

now its rdroods and hpallies

[jolly sierra]

rsham is very good in formal rated

cuz ppl knows their shit and positioning

[sick wasp]

its very strong into certain comps

[worthy crag]

isnt sac lke 1 min 45 sec cd now though

[jolly sierra]

like splay?

[sick wasp]

basicly caster comps

[jolly sierra]

ofc, they wont need to move too much

[sick wasp]

they got shock/grounding=>hex/lasso

all good stuff

[jolly sierra]

oh boy

i really REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED so hard in a SS match cuz i saw a rsham doing hex ZERO TIMES

so let a lot of shit being done

[sick wasp]

best healer to counter sham is hpally btw

cant ground rebuke

[jolly sierra]

but sham can purge bops

[plush umbra]

The best spec only men play. ASSA

[sick wasp]

and pally can shock gorunding and hoj

[jolly sierra]

also that filthy wind shear

[plush umbra]

High testosterone men

[jolly sierra]

dude is nasty af to have an interrupt w distance as a healer

[sick wasp]

i try to play on top of them

its kinda funny

they cant hex

[jolly sierra]

as a druid they can be countered too

just shapeshift into hex moments

oh

nono

doesnt works

but idk

still think rshams are good

but not for shuffle

clearly NO for shuffle

[sick wasp]

😉

shamans lose alot of value now that dks are so strong

they will get railed

every single time

pallies cna just tank them

[jolly sierra]

tbh since CT build i love facing dks

both for pet stack and being so easy to counter with phys dots and disarms

[spring bough]

saw this yesterday. just said screw it ima try it out. backed up all my Elv UI addons + WTF folder and then started fresh with this. gonna see if it speeds up my fps in pvp without Elv UI bogging everything down and just use the regular blizz ui lol

[steel scarab]

Just picked this up to replace my broken Naga, wish me luck, boys

[wintry dew]

Ez 2.7 inc

[steel scarab]

LOL

[surreal barn]

I would absolutely destroy that mouse

[steel scarab]

It looks.... suspiciously fragile

[surreal barn]

Looks like I would crush it in my hand after getting pissed off

[steel scarab]

In my 20s I definitely would have broken it lol

[jolly sierra]

sounds like the mouse is a snowflake

[steel scarab]

I can't believe Best Buy doesn't accept returns under manufacturer's warranty anymore

Make sure, if you buy peripherals from Best Buy, that you get the protection plan, boys

[jolly sierra]

im not north american so idk wtf is a best buy

[steel scarab]

The Best Buy warranty on this $150 mouse is cheaper now than it was when I last worked at BB back in 2012. I think back then, the warranty was like $55, now it's $30. Makes absolutely no sense, but well worth it to be able to return the device to Best Buy's physical store avoid the hassle of trying to RMA this Naga to the shitbag company known as Razer

It's just a popular electronics store Panda

Best Buy used to accept in-store returns under the manufacturer's warranty. They apparently no longer allow that, and only allow extended exchanges if you buy their extended warranty

The Naga has a 2 year MFW warranty

I'm at 14 months and the 4,5, and 6 buttons are intermittently not registering keystrokes

[jolly sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/brian-confused-crazy-rolling-eyes-gif-17302976

[steel scarab]

TLDR, it's not very interesting, just a heads up for USA people who shop at Best Buy

[halcyon timber]

That is sick af. Saw that at best buy as well.

[tawdry imp]

i don't have a naga but god damn do I hear a lot of people talk about how they break

which is mad for a mouse that costs $/£100+

[halcyon timber]

I dig naga, yeah they can be busted up sometimes.

[tawdry imp]

i don't get why logitech discontinued their mmo mouse

[steel scarab]

@tawdry imp a wireless Naga pro, astonishingly, is $200

And it is an absolute piece of shit

Ergonomically it is incredible, but the build quality and longevity is just actual garbage

@tawdry imp I agree, Logitech's mmo mouse was fantastic, $60 and incredibly sturdy, IIRC mine lasted a good 3-4 years

[tawdry imp]

I was hoping to buy the logitech version then realised it was discontinued 😦

[steel scarab]

@halcyon timber I'll let you know if it's worth the hefty $150 price, particularly when I don't use any of these mice wirelessly. I just want a premium, sturdy, wired MMO mouse. Sadly, ever since Logitech stopped making their MMO mouse, this product doesn't exist

Corsair makes an OK one, but it's heavy and ergonomically it sucks. Plus, the corsair software is absolutely aids. Though in fairness, the software for all brands of these mice is awful

[worthy crag]

Are those 256 button mice rly necessary tho

[steel scarab]

Literally yes, wow is unplayable without them. Vanilla and classic wow were fine, but there are way too many abilities now to not use an MMO mouse

[worthy crag]

We still have way less compared to mop etc

[outer sky]

I couldnt imagine playig without my 12 button MMO mouse

[worthy crag]

or cata

[steel scarab]

I didn't play then, but I believe you

[outer sky]

I literally have a bind for Shift+=

[potent pivot]

Yeah but they do a bunch of custom work to those addons to make them better, not just profiles. Also isn’t bigdebuffs no longer going to work? Omniauras is going to work in TWW

[steel scarab]

I played vanilla, TBC, WOTLK, then quit til Shadowlands

So I missed a lot

[outer sky]

I havent heard anything about that. Diminish is already discontinued and their packages uses it. That'll be a damn shame if bigdebuffs doesn't work though. I like it way better than Omni

[worthy crag]

I think people just brought up the bar to what needs to be keybound or macroed compared to before

Like even in wotlk didnt arcane mage have frost shield and fire blast etc

[potent pivot]

Yes and they’re probably continuing diminish on their own

[worthy crag]

Shit ton of buttons

[potent pivot]

Like they’re actually going into most of the addons and changing them, making them better and updating them

[halcyon timber]

Yes please do, I definitely dig the sleek design of it. I think part of what is up on razer products is people don’t maintain them enough. Ive definitely pushed some time on some of these mice but I do clean it regularly and such.

[potent pivot]

The point is you can also pick which ones you want to use, you don’t have to use em all

But I’d rather use an updated gladius than the shitty one that everyone has, same goes for half of the other addons lol

[halcyon timber]

Never going back to a rinky dink mouse ever again. I remember i had the cata mmo mouse back in the day. I wish i saved it and the box for collecting

[outer sky]

All I know is I did a match against an evoker and he used obsidian scales and I didn't know it. immediately disabled omni auras and reenabled bigdebuffs lol

[jolly sierra]

dunno if is really mandatory to use a mouse to play well

[worthy crag]

I think those mice are rly necessarily only if you either have small hands and cant reach beyond the g button etc or you want to literally have arena123 of every ability

[steel scarab]

@halcyon timber I am absolutely sure that if I had the knowledge and the interest in learning how to disassemble the side panel and clean it out that it would solve the issue. But, for a $200 mouse, that side panel should be bulletproof sealed and not require maintenance less than 2 years in

[jolly sierra]

i got 2k3 in last season with my simplistic mouse

[potent pivot]

Were you on the free version of the ui

[halcyon timber]

Its not necessary just a nice thing to have

[outer sky]

yes, but I don't even know how to pay for the upgrade

[potent pivot]

On the free version you have to set up the profiles yourself, they’re not going to instantly be how you want

[jolly sierra]

very simplistic

[steel scarab]

@worthy crag I have huge hands brother, but I have 36 abilities bound

[halcyon timber]

You also have large hands and your own motor patterns ingrained primo . Equipment isn’t going to make people better for dure

Sure*

I def dig small keyboards as well

[outer sky]

how do you get the paid version?

[worthy crag]

Also depends if you just click things that are not combat related

Like i dont bother binding pick pocket or mage food

[steel scarab]

I have that stuff bound because I am insane

I don't have regular food bound though

[jolly sierra]

my hands are big too

but my fingers are long af, and feels that is a disgusting advantage

[worthy crag]

and i cant be bothered to have arena123 shadowstep or shiv

[jolly sierra]

my fkn fingers are like the ones from a worgen

[halcyon timber]

I have a lot of binds open

I just use a lot of othet stuff too for qol ha

[steel scarab]

I also don't have arena macros

I click my targets like a Chad

It's only problematic against classes with 20 pets

[potent pivot]

Lemme get to my pc n I’ll try to do it lol

[worthy crag]

Tbh rogue has it easy, I think mop priest had so many buttons i had to bring in an extra modifier

And old shaman was pretty insane with like 20 totems total

[steel scarab]

I just don't think I'd have fun with a class that has THAT many abilities

[worthy crag]

Pruning was def justified for those specs

[steel scarab]

At a certain number of abilities, it's gotta cause decision paralysis unless you're a savant. I don't think that level of complexity is healthy for the game

[jolly sierra]

still recall ppl complaining in SL as rogues for having too much buttons w kyrians

[halcyon timber]

Yeah mostly just have stuff like poison macros , cancel aura equipment for profs, hanggliders as binds. I don’t use any crazy nonsense

Because people are just flat out lazy

[worthy crag]

Add symbiosis on top during mop

what a mess

[halcyon timber]

Yeah druids would gripe way more if it came back

Devs said no several times now

[jolly sierra]

burst of speed

gimme

[worthy crag]

Lmaoooo yeah that shit aint coming back ever

[halcyon timber]

Burst of speed can piss off

Degen

[worthy crag]

Rdruid iceblocking ferals divine shielding

[halcyon timber]

Stuff

[tawdry imp]

unrelated but someone the other day said assass isn't as affected by the phys damage /armour issues because of the bleeds, but my combat log says the bleeds are physical damage? is there some nuance I'm missing

[outer sky]

most buttons I have of any class is my shaman

[halcyon timber]

Bleeds ignore armor is why

Always have

[tawdry imp]

ah okay cool, thanks

[halcyon timber]

Not exclusive to rogue

No sweat man

Any dot ignores armor

[worthy crag]

old shaman was rly something else like disease cleanse totem poison cleanse totem sentry totem

fire blast totem fire bolt totem

[jolly sierra]

bleeds ignore armor

[halcyon timber]

Home depot totem

Yeah , its cool they consolidated and modernized stuff for shaman. A lot of them are very vocal on meaningful totems as well.

[jolly sierra]

sentry totem

ppl went mad when it went removed

[worthy crag]

Also if you were enhance specced to spirit wolves you could also keybind the wolve abilties..

[halcyon timber]

Jeeze

[potent pivot]

@outer sky

[swift smelt]

why does my dmg feel so low in bgb, it’s it pre patch tuning or am i shit

[steel scarab]

Gonna do some dishes then test out this mouse

[potent pivot]

i think you get your code after signing up? then you type /sc in game

nahj was saying yesterday bigdebuffs doesn't work on beta

that's why i said it hasn't been updated earlier

[halcyon timber]

Prepatch stuff but its fine atm.

[swift smelt]

doing like 15-20m in a carts match, always lowest, other rogues near me, dunno

[halcyon timber]

Not padding like other classes, i wouldn’t use meter maid metrics

[potent pivot]

they're prolly waiting til release to push the tww update or still working on it

[hexed pewter]

what talent build should i use as sin in 2v2?

[potent pivot]

pretty much the same thing everyone is using

[swift smelt]

k need to turn off whispers then

[hexed pewter]

which is?

[potent pivot]

check murlok.io

[hexed pewter]

ok ty

[halcyon timber]

I wouldn’t sweat it man, you do your thing and focus on your tasks. Screw the kids who want to pad and swear that’s meaningful.

[jolly sierra]

ppl is most going w this so switch it

[swift smelt]

thx yeah, i dunno people seem to expect ele levels of damage out of a rogue

[halcyon timber]

Ele is a lot of pad

[swift smelt]

orbs n carts seem to be the worst for me, carts go ok sometimes but can’t 1v2 very well right now. flags are easy to ninja and kill efc

[potent pivot]

can't you just send it in to Razer yourself?

[potent pivot]

yeah it looks really good i'm prolly gonna try it out as well

[outer sky]

@potent pivot oh shit dude. This is juiced

[potent pivot]

that's what i'm saying

if you end up not liking the omniauras you can simply turn that one off and switch back to bigdebuffs

but if you watch that vid i linked at first, where they explain the changes they made, they really did a lot of work

i'm the last person to shill any tools that are paid, but they did a lot of stuff people have been wanting for a long time that the addon makers weren't doing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5sy40YpeCY

[halcyon timber]

Yeah people gained more defensives and stuff and things are tuned around lvl 80. I really wouldn’t sweat it

[potent pivot]

i wonder if there's an easy way to have that profile and an elvui profile to switch between

like have the SCui loaded for pvp and an elvui loaded for pve

[swift smelt]

appreciate the feedback

[outer sky]

there is. Their UI gets saved as a setting in edit mode. So just swap between it and elvui in edit mode as you wish

[potent pivot]

oh shit

i wonder if aoe blind->blackjack will ever be worth using vs something

[steel scarab]

@potent pivot probably, and I'm gonna try, but I find dealing with manufacturers much more frustrating than just exchanging it at Best Buy

[potent pivot]

yeah same, but it can be done. razer is usually pretty good about it as well.

i find paying for insurance at a store when i can RMA it myself is a waste of money

[steel scarab]

Makes sense, I'm gonna try and rma it and I'll let you know how the experience goes

[outer sky]

One thing i like about this UI is it puts big, colored icons above your team with an "!" for your dps in whatever color their class is and a big green "+" above your healer. Sometimes in arena I'd lose track of my healer even wth the base UI markers. Not anymore

this shit is gassed, thanks @potent pivot

I had to tweak the omnibar a bit to stop it from showing shit I dont care about like kicks, grounding totem, tremor totem, etc

since I only really play melee dps

but otherwise it was ready to go out of the box

and when I do play my dragon once in a blue moon I can just reenable those

[potent pivot]

yeah it looked so good i'm glad it ended up working out for you

i'm going to use it as well

[spring bough]

someone put out a diminish update so we can use the options again

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/diminish-updated-by-jaesa

[outer sky]

does it require the old diminish addon to work?

[spring bough]

ive done a few games with this skill capped setup and its pretty nice. i like the nameplate for the betterblizzplates

[spring bough]

no replaces it

[outer sky]

I use a supplemental nameplates addon called nplates so mine look like this

[outer sky]

problem with this addon is it doesnt show the DRs on the nameplates, just on the frames 😦

[potent pivot]

i'm pretty sure the skillcapped ui updates diminish as well

they also updated betterblizzplates to have cc and DRs on the nameplate as well i think?

[outer sky]

if they did its not on mine

I need a weakaura for it

[potent pivot]

they for sure have the cc on plates

maybe not the dr

[spring bough]

yes it does. just need to enable it in the settings

for the skill capped it does not enable diminish icons on nameplates. you need to go into the settings and do it yourself

[potent pivot]

yeah so the skillcapped ui does have it

for some reason i thought it did

[halcyon timber]

No sweat, it gets better man. Just new era of wow requires new adaptations. Head up and eyes forward .

[spring bough]

skill capped worked with the new diminish update that i linked too

[halcyon timber]

Ive just gotten used to tell me when and set up custom DRs to be used in all content. Diminish stopped working for me at the beginning of DF

[outer sky]

which setting?

[potent pivot]

yeah Diminish was discontinued, but skillcapped updated it for their ui

[spring bough]

nameplates, then enable

[potent pivot]

and apparently someone else also updated it standalone

[halcyon timber]

Deathstalker corrupt the blood doesn’t break stealth as of today as well. Saw that in testing this morning.

The dragonriding bug coming out of instanced play and falling to your death without a hang glider / survivor bag coins to save you also sucks

[outer sky]

@spring bough How do I get it to show more than just stuns?

[spring bough]

under the enabled categories on the nameplates tab, make sure every box has a check mark

need to scroll down to see disorients

[outer sky]

I showed in the video they're all checked besides taunts

[spring bough]

and make sure you have the enabled zone checked for everything too

might just need a reload