pvp

[outer sky]

lol

[potent pivot]

i wish i had a cat that could stun people for me

https://tenor.com/view/cat-black-cat-smack-camera-cat-smacks-camera-gif-26024142

[waxen meteor]

what alt class should we do for 11.0

will there be any orange gear?

[hexed pollen]

first 200K finally

[steel scarab]

Quick question! Anyone know how to make it so Goremaw's Bite would show up on my Weakauras?

[potent pivot]

you'd have to go in and create a tracker for it yourself

it's not automatically showing up when you're talented into it?

[steel scarab]

Okay I wouldn't even know where to start with that lol. So spec out of Goremaw's Bite, got it

Negative, it does not

[potent pivot]

have you reinstalled the WA pack

try deleting the WA pack and reinstalling it

might be on an old version of it or something

[steel scarab]

It says it's up to date, does it work for you?

I'm thinking, if I had to guess, that because Goremaw (I believe) is considered useless in PvE, the PvE people who who made the add on never bothered to add it to the script

Don't actually know for sure and I could be incorrect

[potent pivot]

well afenar's hasn't been updated in like a year

yeah no one has made a gormaw's WA period

[steel scarab]

Oh, wow

[potent pivot]

https://wago.io/LuxthosRogueDragonflight

[steel scarab]

I really like the ability but every time I tried to use it in the past, I often miss it because it's maddening to track my cooldowns via WA but also constantly be checking my toolbars for cooldowns that it doesn't track, like Goremaw

[potent pivot]

luxthos' pack tracks it

i would recommend not using WA packs like that in pvp

if i'm being real

[steel scarab]

I am 100% in agreement

But I'm about to do some mythics

[potent pivot]

does sub use goremaw's in pve

[steel scarab]

I already got Keystone Hero this season and am just messing around with RL friends

No, it's like a Mythic 3

I just wanted to have fun, but also know when my cds are ready

[potent pivot]

oh then just untalent it or something

[steel scarab]

LOL oof

[potent pivot]

if you don't wanna use a diff WA pack

[steel scarab]

Is Luxthos pretty nice?

[potent pivot]

i've used it before, it's decent

free WA packs are free WA packs

[steel scarab]

By some absolute miracle, I managed to hit 2400 in SS with this cursed weakaura pack

[potent pivot]

if you're not using something like AtrocityUI or NaowhUI

[steel scarab]

I did disable it a few times, and it's good because it forces you to focus more on what's happening and less on rotation

but

[potent pivot]

yeah there's no chance i'd even enter an arena with that lmao

it takes too much focus away from whats going on

[steel scarab]

I don't have a good bleed tracker that puts icons over peoples' heads and I kept missing bleed maintenance

[potent pivot]

then get a good bleed tracker

there's tons of diff ways to do em

Plater, KUI, etc

[steel scarab]

I will have to install one of those

I just hate the starting out aspect of having 30000 things tracked that you don't want

It's so painful

[potent pivot]

#1180498902634479706 message

[sharp sierra]

damn 3 hour queue at 1800. you'd think more people would be playing end of season

[potent pivot]

that's the m+ talents btw

[potent pivot]

it's quite the opposite usually

people aiming to get the r1 achievements play a lot the last week

[sharp sierra]

im at 3hr 7 min in queue now lol

[potent pivot]

1.8k range people are done for a while now

[steel scarab]

I'll give that a try Trickz, thanks

There's a few options, I guess truly none of them use Goremaw

[potent pivot]

yeah the only thing you really need to Gladius and something to track enemy CDs

omnibar/omnicd

[steel scarab]

I did not have Gladius either lmao

[potent pivot]

and some WAs to warn you about enemy offensive CDs

[steel scarab]

I did not have that either

[potent pivot]

i think Mes makes a big pack of warning WAs

[steel scarab]

I had omnicd and this cursed weakaura set

And I just rawdogged it like an absolute psychopath

[potent pivot]

https://wago.io/pjH2s0KV3

[steel scarab]

What does this one do?

[potent pivot]

that one has a bunch of auras for enemy CDs

[steel scarab]

Oh, that is really neat. God, this probably would have helped a lot

[potent pivot]

look at "included auras"

let's you know when enemy is casting those things

[steel scarab]

So it basically notifies you of scary things

[potent pivot]

ye

and if you don't like any of them you can just delete the auras you don't like

[steel scarab]

That is a massive advantage, I feel like

If that's gonna be in the game they should just make it baseline

You're at such a disadvantage if you're not using such a thing, I feel

[potent pivot]

goodluck with that

[steel scarab]

I know, Blizz doesn't care

cry

[potent pivot]

we can't even get CC DRs added to the base UI

[steel scarab]

Which is also terrible!

[potent pivot]

a lot of top pvpers never used to use WAs

they'd only play with base ui usually

but that's because blizzard didn't allow addons at blizzcon n shit

now they allow them so everyone uses em

[steel scarab]

Very chaotic

Naughty Blizzard

[outer sky]

is there an addon that will auto-ignore list someone if they mess up your stun DR in arena

I am so fucking sick of losing games to that

[potent pivot]

i feel like at some point you gotta become numb to that shit in shuffle

[jolly sierra]

fucking DHs

[outer sky]

DHs, monks, shamans, DKs, warrs

[jolly sierra]

fucking shockwave

[outer sky]

yeah and theyre usually the most unimpactful stuns

I get it if youre about to die and you just have to stun someone

I get it if youre stunning off of one of my stuns

I get it if you're stunning the healer to set up a CC chain

but these people are just randomly stunning everyone

often DRd too

[elfin fulcrum]

Im new to both rogue and arena starting for my first time this season and im having difficulty knowing when to go for a restealth depending on the spec im playing. Do you just go for a restealth after blowing your go and when everyones on dr? Ive only been playing 2's so far.

[outer sky]

if you cant stun anything run away. good rule of thumb

unless youre playing outlaw

then you only run if youre in danger

[elfin fulcrum]

Okay great, are there any good rules of thumb for rogue if im starting out? Would I be able to post vods in here for some critique if thats okay?

[outer sky]

yeah sure

[potent pivot]

yeah posting vods is fine, feel free

[grave basin]

There's people that do this on purpose btw

Every lobby I'm like "I'm gonna sap X, let me do the stuns"

Jk first global the lock on my team shadowfury their whole team

[grave basin]

It's always DHs

[pale storm]

I feel like it’s warriors, you say let me sap X first then let me stun, war agrees, gates open and warriors rides in on mount, heroic leaps, stuns all 3

[outer sky]

they all do it

[outer sky]

if its the first go of the game I dont even care that much. I'm just putting up bleeds anyway

Its when things start to get damp

or we have a clear win condition

thats when it irks m

me*

i just played a match where the enemy team was disc/arms/surv and we got to a point where the hunter had no trinket or Roar, warr had no intervene and no shout, disc had no dome, and I had every single cooldown with bomb and the hunter was half hp

i go for the kidney

split second before i press it

my hpriest chastises him

i just dont understand

like why man

by the time i got stun DR back warr had intervene again

like you couldnt have scripted a better set up than we just just before that chastise

[sick wasp]

DH is the most cringe class in wow history period
Randomly DRs stuns that ruin goes just coz ''i have to press all my buttons mentality''

im having names noted so when i lose a shuffle im opening my warmode and flying around the map

every noted name i find i murder

no second thoughts

i just burry the mfkers

[outer sky]

2500 MMR 2s he's so salty

[copper torrent]

can i only get 2 free crafting trophy things?

ive already got them on my druid, does that mean i cant on my rogue?

[outer sky]

If you record one of your lobbys im happy to do a gameplay review. I'm not the best but I've hit 2.6 in SS so maybe I can help idk

[jolly sierra]

no dude im tired of this bs

[outer sky]

this loser is 11x rank 1 and got absolutely destroyed by us and he's shit talking in whisper chat lol

[outer sky]

just tryna help

[jolly sierra]

idk maybe is the heat of the moment

[jolly sierra]

right im deleting everything, u dont deserve a very heated vent

[outer sky]

you get them on each character

[potent pivot]

i haven't touched this season so i'm honestly not sure, might have luck asking in #wow-general

[untold remnant]

You just do 1 activity that rewards you with one of those boxes you get from winning (skirmish, 2s, bg, it doesn’t matter) and you open it and get two free PvP trophies

[jolly sierra]

my apologies dude, just got a 5-1

and took back almost all rating i lose today

[sick wasp]

kasu is a well known shttalker

thats so toxic btw

bros cant cope with losing

fukin sadcake

[lucid citrus]

yeah is known in RBG community too and he queues when everyone is asleep and crumb collect

[sick wasp]

he's a very good hunter and all but ye idk,fukin toxic

even if u lose or win

fukin have some respect,ppl will respect you back

thats why eveyrone loves bicmex

an amazing person with a great character

[jolly sierra]

he is here, congrat him personally lol

[sick wasp]

ik the man,subbed for a while

we were in the same guild couple of times,even raided together back in nyalotha

[jolly sierra]

oh

interesting

[sick wasp]

fun part is that he destroyed me on every pathetic push ive made everytime to go like 2.7+

ive never won against him

i should hate him but i cant

he is a very nice guy

[jolly sierra]

OOF

i think is the kind of guy which will encourage u to win against him

[sick wasp]

yeah

[jolly sierra]

and is just waiting for it

[sick wasp]

every single time

its a person that fights to make eveyrone better

he is that good of a person

[jolly sierra]

that is the kind of person pvp needs

[grave basin]

Most streamers are insanely toxic

They don't say anything in game but on stream they flame non stop

Ie qweener/lontar

Ofc the king is crusader

But atleast crusader has the balls to flame you in game

Got his alt in my lobby and he called me worst hunter NA, respect it

[jolly sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/crusader-crusader3455-wow-spazz-out-beast-mode-gif-25970151

[potent pivot]

me coming for you next season

[grave basin]

Where's the SV hunter

[potent pivot]

already leveled

[grave basin]

Based and rerollpilled

[potent pivot]

i usually keep a couple rogues, warr and hunter leveled

might add dk next season as well idk yet

[grave basin]

Gonna keep rogus/Magus then the other two probably arms and feral

[wintry dew]

It's characters based, not account based. So the 2 free trophies can be acquired in any character you have

[grave basin]

Although feral having the same playstyle as SL , idk man

It was fun the first time but seems kinda aids with evoker being a thing

[outer sky]

yeah sometimes all it takes is one good lobby. And honestly the lobbies you're struggling in may just be lobbies any rogue would struggle in.

[outer sky]

It's weird to me to shit talk the people who beat you. Like, while I wouldn't do it myself, i can understand raging at someone who's on your team and throws the game. But raging at the people who beat you implies that they should be playing to lose just because they see your name. That's weird to me like obviously the other team is going to play to win just like you are. If anything raging at them might just give them satisfaction because it suggests you feel outplayed by them.

Unless they take advantage of an exploit like a DK gripping someone under the map so they DC in an RBG

But even still, that's on blizzard for not fixing that shit like they should or properly punishing people who take advantage of it

[grave basin]

Imagine sinking your whole life into a game and playing at the blizzcon level to lose to a no name rogue

That's probably his mentality

He also claims to be above you mechanically, while you only won because you pved him into the ground

Whispering to shit talk is really cringe though, especially with the ignore at the end

[outer sky]

That's the funny part, his comp counters ours

He was mm/disc

We were assa/rsham

We literally can't win unless we play better than them

[outer sky]

Yeah it's kinda cringe. Like if Tom Brady lost to a college football team and then flamed the team that beat him while making all kinds of excuses

[grave basin]

Expecting good sportsmanship in gaming is sadly not Gonna happen

People are way too comfortable saying things on the keyboard they wouldn't dare say to your face

I'm sure the 30yr dad gamer in his dinosaur onesie and beer gut is gonna fuq my mom

[outer sky]

Damn now I feel called out

Jk I don't turn 30 until next month

And it's a penguin onesie

[sick wasp]

yeah it basicly makes no sense to me either

its just a bad personality trait or something

i cba tbh

through the years with arenas and pvp in general i was very toxic early on,then ive learned thats its a weakness not something u can benefit from

so ive left it behind

if i lose to someone i welcome it and try to learn from it

[sick wasp]

bro a legit mental case

[narrow tangle]

hello fellow rogue pplayers when season is going to end

2 weeks?

[wintry dew]

Seems to be that way

[grave basin]

Season ends when prepatch hits

[pale storm]

23rd, 1 week from tomorrow

[stoic spruce]

The 23rd is the last night I'm off before I work for a week.

[copper torrent]

So I did that already and haven't gotten the trophies.

[untold remnant]

Open the box, you have a thing inside your bag that starts a quest, that gives it (should have mentioned that sorry_

[grave basin]

whaaz finally doing retail rogue content again

pog

[sick wasp]

final push

the man collects rank 1s

[grave basin]

question, do i get to be a gamba rogue at lvl 70

or does it start at 71

[sick wasp]

71

all hero trees at 71

[outer sky]

whats looking like our best tree for arena?

[grave basin]

i think it's more of a

whats the least worst tree angle

[sick wasp]

rogue is undertuned now but deathstalker makes more sense

u wont have the uptime to coinflip in arena anyway

else ild say trickster

ild say prolly sub deathstalker or sin deathstalker

outlaw is just ass

[grave basin]

trickster is annoying though

the coup proc can cause you to gap your stun

[outer sky]

I wish theyd revert deathmark back to vendetta. That was so much better of a CD. I wonder why they felt the need to change it

[grave basin]

and as outlaw , messes with your crackshot window

so it's more like, if youre playing sub, go with the deathstalker cause it does absolutely nothing

if youre playing outlaw, go with fatebound cause it does absolutely nothing

[sick wasp]

i dont think fatebound can be a thing in arena idk

[outer sky]

welp

I think i've reached my cealing

I cant get much higher than this

every game is 4-2, 3-3, or 2-4

[steel scarab]

Amazing job!!

[wintry dew]

Your cealing is really high, be proud my man

[outer sky]

This hunter lol

i wish there was an achievement between Legend and rank 1

because I'm not getting r1

and I already got Legend

so theres no real reason to keep queueing

[sick wasp]

ild try to get those rbgs to 2.5+ and call it a day

but in all u did a gr8 season

[outer sky]

Do we know what melee is currently looking best for TWW arena?

level 1-70 boosts are only 175k right now

kinda wanna buy one

[waxen meteor]

yeah

not sure if it's reliable

someone in DH pvp channel shared

[outer sky]

So WW monk best melee

[wintry dew]

anyone can do lists

And we're still in beta, so i wouldnt trust it

[waxen meteor]

yeah

too early to tell

[outer sky]

they put rogues as A tier? Ive read we're currently way undertuned

[waxen meteor]

1 or 2 weeks before real season starts can tell more

now whatever good can be tuned to hell

[surreal barn]

Rogues can’t go lower than A tier if an S+ tier exists

We sit there and stun for them

[plucky escarp]

The DK Warrior Mafia made that tier lists

[potent pivot]

definitely wouldn't pay a single iota of attention to any tier lists of beta lol

they don't even list specs just classes

[outer sky]

I just hope we still have a one shot

I'm gunna miss my big kingsbanes

[jolly sierra]

would be funny to have a build like in BFA with gushing wounds

would be more sustained but still consistent

[scarlet shell]

feral is looking terrifying in the tww.

[wanton breach]

[untold remnant]

I just tried on beta (dummy) Deathstalker Assa, with Death from Above. You build the stacks for empowered guaranteed envenom crit taht does 60% more damage. You shiv to 7 combo points, death from above for 2.2 million crit on Envenom, followed by cold blood kingsbane of 800k (against 100% hp dummy), imagine Zoldyk buffed 2.2 to 35%, guaranteed kingsbane crit and then you proc the deathstalker Fatal Intent proc, into Sudden Demise

Theoretically, that is going to be insane

[sick field]

hi QQ, what poison should i be running in pvp with crippling? is wound needed with the shiv talents? i have been running deadly poison. thanks!

[jolly sierra]

wound

[potent pivot]

wound. you only run hemo into matches you'll get good value out of it usually

[steel scarab]

@untold remnant can't wait for them to change all the ability modifiers to .25% in pvp combat!

[untold remnant]

xd

Just for rogue tho @steel scarab

All other classes 2.5% modifier

[steel scarab]

Of course lmao

[copper torrent]

I've tried to ask in multiple discord channels but can't get a solid answer. If I can't get full conquest gear before the 23rd am I going to still be able to earn conquest and buy the s4 gear once the pre patch hits? I don't want to be stuck with low honor ilvl in pre patch

[potent pivot]

https://eu.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/can-i-earn-rating-upgrade-conquest-gear-in-the-prepatch/395727/4

seems like in the past you could

it won't matter much either way

[copper torrent]

Thank you!

[potent pivot]

once TWW launches that gear will be irrelevant

[untold remnant]

You can get Envenom to crit for 3.7 mil on PvP dummy (with the pvp gear from vendor) if you play with dragonblades Amplyfing poison

[grave basin]

Have you tried that in a skirm or shuffle

Feels like it's not gonna be feasible to wait for the cap stone to proc then send your dam in arena

[halcyon timber]

You just hit any 3 finishers and it is ready to roll

[copper torrent]

It's not that Ita going to be irrelevant once tww comes out. But for the month during pre patch I want to be able to get gear still for alts possibly and play lol.

[potent pivot]

ah yeah i feel you

thought that maybe you were trying to get fully geared before TWW launch so i just wanted to add that just in case

[copper torrent]

So I'm just wondering if I can still buy the conquest gear that is sold now. Or if it goes away for the prepatch. I guess I better get grinding anyway lol. It's like what 7 days. I bet I can get full conq gear that fast?

[copper torrent]

Technically I am on my rogue. But I guess in a couple days before the pre patch comes

[potent pivot]

if you play enough i think you can manage it

i'm honestly not 100% sure if you can buy gear or not during prepatch, that's why i linked that forum post about a past prepatch

i didn't really play through DF prepatch and i've barely played DF s4 just waiting for TWW

[nova viper]

Yoooo

Big question

How fast gear up alts? Just playing blitz and bg?

[potent pivot]

with conq gear?

[nova viper]

Nah, just honor for solo shuffles cap

Its 515 now

[potent pivot]

then yeah

[copper torrent]

Honor gear is like an hour or two

[potent pivot]

i usually just bg for honor

[copper torrent]

Like no problem.

[potent pivot]

i've tried skirms in the past and it was always kinda jank

[nova viper]

Imo Blizzard should make account honor

[copper torrent]

Do BG blitz. You can get conquest and bythe time you are full honor you can buy 1-2 pieces of conq

[nova viper]

I play skirms and 1/4 games is 1vs2/3 xD

[potent pivot]

yep exactly lmao

[copper torrent]

Plus the BG blitz quests help and you can get the box that give you 2 craft able pieces

[nova viper]

Its fun for my mage when i try 1vs2 like xaryuu but on other classes is terrible

[jolly sierra]

w sexooooooo

emmmmm, is doing dailies

[nova viper]

I know this, but i play mainly mage and rogue. I wanna try other classes but grinding honor gear is super waste of time xD

[nova viper]

SEXOOO

[jolly sierra]

epics/skirms/regular bg/blitz in both quests

(the blitz one and brawl one)

[nova viper]

Btw

Rogue pvp community here is the best ngl

In mage discord 3/4 people cry and complain

[potent pivot]

[jolly sierra]

i did yesterday

aaaghhhh

was a weakness moment

[outer sky]

Man Cupid is a tough comp to beat

you have to chase that hunter around all game so you dont get pelted by aimed shots but all the while the ret is hammering you

[jolly sierra]

why tf is called cupid lol

[outer sky]

angel and an arrow

Ret Pally/Hunter

[jolly sierra]

got it

[sick wasp]

yup,we still miss tuning btw 😉

[outer sky]

idk how good of a marketing strategy this is

[jolly sierra]

sounds like a very huge gaslighting

[potent pivot]

they dm you trying to sell you "boosting"?

i'm 100% positive you could get glad if you had proper team mates like you said there

[jolly sierra]

i think so too

is teamwork basically

unless those guys are like 10-20 in all the region and all have a very dirty business in the brackets

[potent pivot]

got the main mog i wanted from remix

[jolly sierra]

were u burnt alongside the tree?

lol

(gz btw)

[potent pivot]

i might keep farming for some other stuff but idk yet

need to play more FF before TWW launches

[outer sky]

yep

[potent pivot]

unfortunately a lot of r1s can be a bit gatekeepy

the ones that boost i mean

[jolly sierra]

u know how to spot a bad dealer?

[potent pivot]

that's how they make $ so they don't play with new people

[jolly sierra]

they will make u force to buy their shit

[potent pivot]

the amount of acc selling, boosting, piloting and win trading going on

is insane

[jolly sierra]

dude the wintrading is absurd

in SS

[potent pivot]

like these people get banned and lose their r1 spots every season

but they just make new accounts

it's wild lmfao

[jolly sierra]

god what a waste

[potent pivot]

all of them are trying to off load their DF glad extra accounts rn

because of the character transfer between accounts being discontinued on the 23rd

[outer sky]

This guy lays it on real thick

[jolly sierra]

how beautiful

i still feel sad cuz i cant give my brother back his char

[potent pivot]

part of what he's saying is true

[jolly sierra]

in my acc

[potent pivot]

you can get glad in LFG

that's the main way you'll end up meeting people that'll want to keep playing with you

etc

[potent pivot]

why not?

[jolly sierra]

both accs are in different names, we only share the surname

[potent pivot]

so they won't let it transfer?

[jolly sierra]

no, cuz it break tos

[potent pivot]

have you tried tho

[jolly sierra]

yes

[potent pivot]

usually between family it's ok

[jolly sierra]

no for blizzard

they almost banned me for acc sharing according to context

[potent pivot]

but i've always wondered how people sell characters if their names aren't the same as the person they're selling it to

[jolly sierra]

cuz we shared the game to play across chars

[potent pivot]

sharing accounts with family is allowed

[jolly sierra]

maybe they fake documents

idk

[potent pivot]

it's always been allowed afaik

so that's weird

[potent pivot]

that's weird

[jolly sierra]

i rlly wanted to give him his char back with a CM token to learn all the arsenal from wod

[potent pivot]

i doubt it's truly enforcable tbh

[jolly sierra]

it is

i tried once

with a GM

[potent pivot]

"how would they know?"

you just don't tell them lmao

[jolly sierra]

dude that is dumb tbh

if u will transfer the char

they will know the name

[potent pivot]

i don't mean for the transferring

[jolly sierra]

and ask for documents

[potent pivot]

just sharing in general

[jolly sierra]

ah in that case sure lol

but in the other one

[potent pivot]

yeah idk i've never tried to transfer chars across accounts

[jolly sierra]

i think is safe in this pricks case cuz they will share the same name across all their accs

so they wont have any issues running away from bans till july 23th

[potent pivot]

you can change the first name freely (i think) idk i'm not going to actually try

[potent pivot]

ye i think that's for last name

it wouldn't let me touch the last name box at all

[jolly sierra]

maybe if he would still be minor would be a case

now we both are 25+ lol

[grave basin]

Are we hype for pre patch

[wintry dew]

I'm hype for warband

[fast imp]

Wtf even is warband?

[outer sky]

I just lost a match because I got feared into the fucking shadowsight eye and couldnt vanish

wtf

[wintry dew]

Instead of character progression, we get account progression

[outer sky]

Fucking 12 minute game

[wintry dew]

#wowheadnews message

[fast imp]

Very nice thanks for the link

[wintry dew]

Pretty much all we need to know that is coming with pre patch is there!

[outer sky]

LMFAO I cant believe these guys are 2k

4 cap and holding the flag lol

[outer sky]

wtf is this

[wintry dew]

End of season probably

[deft current]

dawg is there any way to reset my soloshuffle mmr? im just starting solo shuffle and im in full honor gear vs full conq gear 2000 rating players what the fuck

[potent pivot]

only way to lower it is by losing games

[grave basin]

Just lose

Had the same thing happen with my mage yestd, a full boosted rdru with full honor and 424 wep joined and got smashed

Every round lasted 5 seconds, felt kinda bad for the guy

But then again, honor is so easy to get imagine coming into shuff with a 424 wep

[potent pivot]

really depends on the person's exp too

[outer sky]

why the fuck is frost mage bursting 200k dps without CDs

[grave basin]

Pad with frozen orb and ice lance with splitting ice

And enhanced blizzard

[outer sky]

pad?

How can you pad on the enemy team

the objective is to kill them

[grave basin]

Frost mage only does that kinda dam with like uh dk or bm

Blizzard and frozen orb whole arena

[outer sky]

one just did it to me, a fury warr, and a disc priest

[grave basin]

Frost mage doesn't really have impactful cd

It just constantly shits out dam

But you kinda have to frost bomb shatter into ray and glacial to do anything

If not you're just doing some piss 100k ice lances that does nothing

[outer sky]

And why didnt my cheat death do anything here

pennance hit for the same amount it hit before cheat proc'd

where's my 85% wall

[grave basin]

The real question you should ask is

Why didn't it proc at 10%

It proced when the damage of that penance was alrdy in the air

Aka 0% hp

[untold remnant]

Cheat death is horrible ability

It bugs 50% of the time

[outer sky]

it procs when you'd otherwise die

or at least its supposed to

not at a certain % hp

but yeah I should have been at 7% after it proc'd

[grave basin]

The amount of times I've heard rogue streamers say I'm dying through cheat is definitely more than the amount of times it's saved someone

Hearing bicmex saying wow cheat death actually working in the 0.001% it procs is kinda funny

[outer sky]

Ok I figured out why cheat is so sketchy

"Fatal attacks instead reduce you to 7% of your maximum health. For 3 sec afterward, you take 85% reduced damage. Cannot trigger more often than once per 6 min."

If you're already below 7% hp when you take fatal damage it doesn't heal you back up to 7%

"instead reduce you to"

you cant be reduced to a number greater than what you already have

So if you're at 1% and take fatal damage itll proc your cheat but youll stay at 1%

[grave basin]

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=86949/cauterize

Instead brings you

Funny how that works

[grave basin]

That doesn't make sense though

By definition of lethal damage you will be below 7%

Unless you mean cheat will only work if you're getting one big hit above 7%

[potent pivot]

lethal damage is any damage instance that would have sent you to 0%

[grave basin]

From what threshold

Because from the deathlog it clearly didn't proc at 7%

[potent pivot]

so what he's saying he thinks is happening, is that if you receive that lethal hit from already below 7%, it won't increase your health to 7% because it's wording specifies reduce

[potent pivot]

it's not supposed to proc at 7%

that's not how it works

it doesn't matter what % your health is at

[grave basin]

If you take lethal damage you're alrdy at 0%

So how does that work

[potent pivot]

ok check it out:

if you for example are at 10% which is 100k health, if someone hits you with a spell that hits 150k, that is lethal damage.

if you are at 5% which is 50k health, if someone hits you with a spell that hits 20k, that is not lethal damage

cheat death is basically just supposed to negate that lethal damage instance

then instead of letting your health hit 0, it reduces you to 7% instead

[grave basin]

sounds kinda ass

[potent pivot]

in my experience it works more often than fails

[grave basin]

why not just have a cauterize mechanic but fix our hp to 10%

[potent pivot]

even just last night i watched nessper proc a few times and he only died through once

[grave basin]

then it will never fail

[potent pivot]

because it's an old ass ability and probably has wonky ass code

?tf

[untold current]

Highest sub occceee

[potent pivot]

gz

[untold current]

Tyty

[grave basin]

who's the cringelord who named himself neilyo

[untold current]

I think that's Neil... YO

Good ole Neil

[grave basin]

can i rename my rogue to Akrios

[untold current]

It depends if you have the money my friend

[jolly sierra]

in my experience cheat death doesnt works for example if an ability has simultaneous damage in different windows like glacial pike and icicles

if the ability does fatal damage in that way then cheat death will be bypassed

flawed af

[grave basin]

i actually dont even like cheat death mechanics

especially if it's auto

like that fucking seed in shadowlands

or legion ret auto bubble

[jolly sierra]

that is because is old af

[grave basin]

a wild @potent pivot appears

[potent pivot]

was trying to see if he'd be war gaming with/against a rogue player

because i'm heavily debating buying beta to test things atm

[grave basin]

no point tbh

[potent pivot]

he's gonna run war games, i assume to test classes/specs for skillcapped

[grave basin]

prepatch is next reset

[potent pivot]

iirc he works with skillcapped

[grave basin]

yes he makes guides

[potent pivot]

gear and enchants etc

from the beta vendors

makes it very easy to test builds with diff stats

[grave basin]

i mean sub still wants only verse mastery

outlaw is bricked

[potent pivot]

but is that worth like $40 extra?

[grave basin]

nah

i have it and i barely log on

it's so unbalanced

[potent pivot]

also every spec is "bricked"

lots of bugs

[grave basin]

i dont mean bricked as in bugs

[potent pivot]

things 100% will not be the same by s1 start

[grave basin]

i mean it's going into tww with negative playstyle

[idle root]

bro eye of the storm bg blitz brings the worst out of me, fuck

[grave basin]

losing current tier set and the animation lock on coup is disgusting

and baseline nerf on ar

and no acro

and no dance

[potent pivot]

losing dance/acro aren't as big a deal as people make them out to be

[idle root]

idk, felt pretty bad to play without acro

[potent pivot]

new subt+vanish charge will give us a similar playstyle to having dance

losing acro just means no more hitting through some pillars and you have to get closer to target

it sucks for cleaving

[grave basin]

idk, felt pretty bad especially as assa

[potent pivot]

sub barely cleaves so slightly less affected

for assa if using IC i think your cleaved bleeds might have a little extra range? idr

[grave basin]

in pvp i dont think it's as "bad" cause our baseline kit is so good

[potent pivot]

new acro gives us 10% move speed ye?

[grave basin]

yup

i think the fatebound one lets you step after you step for 3 seconds

kinda broken ngl

[potent pivot]

this is what i've been playing around with in my head

can drop recup for CB if it's good

if using deathstalker i highly doubt we don't play subt/vanish

[grave basin]

isnt recoup perma bugged

[wintry dew]

It was this whole exp

is seems to be working on beta

[potent pivot]

that leech talent they added is hilarious

[grave basin]

it's a placeholder for when the intern gets to the next pass at rogue talents

also, copium for tonight's notes

should be new build today

[steel scarab]

Losing Acro is fucking aids

Losing Dance is fine

Oh look, a universally-loved talent that slightly changes the playstyle for the better, helps latency ridden players, and is taken in all content!

.....Let's remove that

[potent pivot]

problem is the difference between melee classes

[steel scarab]

Can't have decent rogues not standing in the 20000 pools of shit mythics and raids drop on the floor

Only the best of the best can avoid those pools of shit

[potent pivot]

rogue was fine before acro

[steel scarab]

This is a pve change

They don't care about pvp at all

But this is damaging to pvp

[potent pivot]

one could argue having it was damaging to pvp

let's be real

[steel scarab]

I will be fine if they give us Acrobatic Strikes as a pvp talent

[grave basin]

ngl Ele looks INSANELY fun on the beta

[potent pivot]

people are unhappy about losing it, because they had it

we were fine before we had it, in all content

[steel scarab]

Because it felt good to play with, and now playing without it feels awful, yes. You could say the same about Sprint having a 5 minute cooldown and stealth having a 10 second cooldown in vanilla

Because those things were objectively awful

[grave basin]

id be fine with losing acro if all kicks were baseline 8yards

[potent pivot]

i mean i agree it felt nice having it

[grave basin]

that's like the only thing i care about

[potent pivot]

but i don't think it's the worst decision to remove it

[steel scarab]

It's not, if they bring back rogues being incredibly deadly when we have melee uptime

Instead of basically ignorable

[potent pivot]

you want such an intrinsic mechanic of the game to be the same across the board

if you were a melee without inc melee range for all of DF while a couple classes had it, you would've felt pretty shit the whole exp

[steel scarab]

Not if the classes were intrinsically different. Warrior has consistent sustained damage but can be kited. Monk has basically inescapable melee damage but is only scary during burst windows

[grave basin]

nerfing fun always feels bad

it's like taking away chrono shift from arcane

which im pretty sure theyre gonna give back cause theyre whining pretty hard about it rn

[steel scarab]

Rogue is basically a more-kiteable monk with more stuns and weaker burst capability

If they're gonna make us even MORE kiteable, they sure as shit better make us more lethal or we're just worse monks

[outer sky]

I have both rogue and WW monk above 2400 and I disagree that rogue is more kitable. The thing with monk is, they have to manually apply their slow and its on the GCD which is really annoying, and you can overshoot your rolls and miss melee range of your target. The thing that keeps them from being kited most of the time is their tigers palm dash which dashes you to your target from 10 yards away but it costs 50 energy which is a ton for a monk and when you get to the target you have to slow them on global and then tiger's palm again for another 50 energy to keep connecting at which point you're too energy starved to even do much. Plus they're losing that tiger's palm dash in TWW anyway and their flying serpent kick is having its CD increased by 50%. I've found Its easier to not get kited on my rogue than it is on my monk provided I use my steps wisely.

[potent pivot]

we're also getting CDR on step

[steel scarab]

I've never played monk, but

Have you considered that it might seem easier to not get kited on your rogue simply because people are less scared of the burst damage of a rogue than they are of the burst damage of a monk, and thus, they spend more effort kiting the latter class, and thus it gives you the perception monk is easier to kite?

The number of times that I, as a newish pvp player, died within 2 seconds from nearly full HP to a monk is exponentially higher than the number of times I died to a rogue in that fashion. And actually, more than the way I've died to any class, except maybe MM hunter

But at least with MM hunter there's usually a bit of a cast time involved. Even if you can't reach the hunter to stop it, you at least see it coming. As a new player against monk you are literally just bewildered

[grave basin]

Monk is exponentially more notable

Kitable

Since you have to connect to slow

In a lot of match ups you're just a victim spec getting micro slowed and you wanna alt f4

[outer sky]

yep

[outer sky]

Nobody is afraid of a monk outside of serenity until late dampening

[grave basin]

I've never felt more rage playing my ww into a lock with long gate on a z axis map

[outer sky]

its so bad

[grave basin]

He's spamming his curse of exhaustion on you

And you're just like fuq me then

[outer sky]

if you can get in LoS and within tiger's palm range though, tiger's palm will find a path to him

like in mungambala

[grave basin]

Yea you can do that on blades edge too

[outer sky]

yeah

[grave basin]

Kinda cheese

But next patch we get clash

[outer sky]

ive tested it on beta lol don't spread this info around cuz I dont think most people know but on those Z axis maps clash works the same way tigers palm does but in reverse

it will force them down to you

its actually hilarious to watch

[grave basin]

Sounds fun

(not really when a fw also gets it)

Just clash the healer into a sweep

Nothing personal kid

[outer sky]

but yeah dude try ww monk for a day above 1800 rating and you'll change your tune about them being super hard to kite

when you run out of rolls and dont have serpent kick omfg

[outer sky]

As assa rogue FW is my favorite healer to fight against. Esp when theyre in a melee cleave comp

all 3 of the other team neatly stacked for me

I played a match against ret/fury/FW yesterday as assa/fire/Holy

Both me and the mage did over 200k dps

sustained

game was over in under a minute

they couldnt do shit

I remember the CD order

cocoon>shout>bubble>Enraged regen

dead

[steel scarab]

Yeah I mean obviously Monk healers are great for us because they have to be in melee range, which means we get to cleave

I wasn't talking about those, I was referring to WW Monks

But it's true, I don't play monk, so I could be wrong

[outer sky]

only FW monks have to be in melee. Caster monks just afk at a pillar miles away channeling soothing mist

What the actual fuck is this garbage

there's no way this is a serious choice

Why am I queueing into fucking Venruki

[sick wasp]

sub pve tech

[summer breach]

LOl man

loook at the guild name

[jolly sierra]

he roams a lot

a lot of US players has faced him from this server lol

[summer breach]

was baited for Q pop while I was tabbed

and the read the guild name

[sick wasp]

ask for his onlyfans

lmao

[jolly sierra]

block guild invs

always works

[outer sky]

which of these do we think will be better in pvp?

[untold remnant]

Symbolic victory

As it had good interaction with the guaranteed crit max cp envenom

Form the capstone talent

[potent pivot]

imo Lingering unless an envenom build is actually viable

can give some consolation damage if DM is dispelled as long as you get the nature buff in that situation

[outer sky]

problem is we dont do any nature damage besides envenom

and Kingsbane

but you'll likely be using kingsbane within within deathmark

[outer sky]

which talent is this?

[potent pivot]

hero talent capstone iirc

[potent pivot]

the bottom one is the capstone

[outer sky]

isn't 10% nature damage the same as 10% envenom damage?

does CT count as an "attack against a marked target"?

[potent pivot]

not sure i haven't tested but i would assume yes

[potent pivot]

and in a way ye

[untold remnant]

But you need to wait for deathmark to end. It could have niche use when you have a lot of evokers/survival/dwarfs running around dispelling ur bleeds

So you get the 10% nature dam for 30 sec

[potent pivot]

our current pvp build doesn't use any of the other nature stuff in the tree

never know next season tho

[untold remnant]

Otherwise, it's just guaranteed 10% on the 60% empowered envenom

[outer sky]

What would we take here?

I feel like its hard to maintain rupture on all 3 targets reliably enough to get full value out of the bottom one

[potent pivot]

I’m just looking at it like this: it’s a 30 sec window vs 1 spell

[outer sky]

obv in 2s we take the top one

yeah true I guess itll depend how how envenom and kingsbane are tuned

[potent pivot]

If your DM gets dispelled on your go you’d still have the 10% on Kb and envenoms

[jolly sierra]

hmm

guys can we start w theorycrafting w week 0 in retail tww?

like we did w shadow dance?

i think everything is subject to changes so better not to prepare and discuss unfinished stuff yet

[potent pivot]

right now it really depends on bug fixes

so many things are bugged if they go live in this state then things can change whenever fixes come

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/984903821807480886/1260493142097137715/image.png?ex=66976e37&is=66961cb7&hm=017dd2a6066c69797b623f294d1daf4ef05f382d2c6c838b486c1c612ff7d02d&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=810&height=1009&

that's just assa's bugs

few of them might have been fixed by now not sure

[jolly sierra]

those ones looks funny

i think this week will use the vault to get 60 wyrm crests and fill the rest w aspect

i was thinking in filial ring or the crit mastery dagger, should i pick the ring if im above 100% mast?

(im not using bullion gear atm)

[potent pivot]

is that including blue silken lining?

if so what's your mast not including it

[jolly sierra]

including blue silken

idk how much is without it

[potent pivot]

well

i'd prolly do the ring

[jolly sierra]

got it

[potent pivot]

has a big chunk of mast on it

[jolly sierra]

this is my last stand

[potent pivot]

glgl

[jolly sierra]

fortune help me lol

[surreal barn]

Looool

[outer sky]

guys I did it

I beat a high rated splay team

fucking 15 minute game

but we got em

[jolly sierra]

so, the idiot from yesterday was just playing u?

[calm heath]

Did you tunnel the healer?

[outer sky]

no

[potent pivot]

oh shit

i bet that felt satisfying lmao

[outer sky]

we fucked the pillar like a 14" cucumber in a women's prison. In and out, in and out.

eventually the game was damp enough for them to not be able to heal through combust

warlock died

[outer sky]

idk what that guy was on about

still super sketch. my cheat proc'd at one point

I leave the pillar for 2 seconds to get a stun and if i get rooted>void torrented I'm already at like 10%

[jolly sierra]

tbh i think in most of cases elusive is better if is more reiliable

cheat is very picky in procs

xddd

[outer sky]

basically the way we have to play against splay is run to the pillar, and restealth. Even if you still have dots taking out you just get the restealth for subterfuge then step silence/stun, bleed for a few seconds and get back to the pillar to do it again

[outer sky]

ive had this thought myself but 49/50 of the top rated rogues seem to disagree and I don't feel qualified enough to argue with that

Nessper says he only ever plays elusiveness at the request of his healer which is extremely rare

[jolly sierra]

yeah top players opinion most of times can matter

but idk

procs weird

[potent pivot]

a lot of people have been taking cheat over elusiveness rn

[jolly sierra]

and a almost perma wall

[potent pivot]

was watching nessper last night and he never switched off cheat

while i was watching anyway

[outer sky]

i think the idea is that you have to play the same way with or without elusiveness so you may as well have cheat

[potent pivot]

feint also takes a global

where cheat can just save you for "free"

[outer sky]

I definitely like cheat death into monks and sub rogues

probably ret pallys too

although I question its value into rot comps

[potent pivot]

the scariest match i saw last night was vs a warr surprisingly

[outer sky]

yeah I just feint shit like bladestorm, fists of fury, flamestrike, frozen orb, etc

[potent pivot]

that's the one proc he died through cheat was from the warr

n they killed each other on the same global basically

it was funny

nessper's team had to 2v2 petkick's team for like 10min

[jolly sierra]

i play without all this fkn time tbh

just cuz is clunky

[potent pivot]

hear me out

maybe

you give cheat a shot tn

and SLAM 2.4k

[jolly sierra]

what an indirect

sure sure

[potent pivot]

i'm just messin around, hyping you up

[jolly sierra]

k, sure, will try it when i log in

[potent pivot]

[wintry dew]

[potent pivot]

yo i got a question

[wintry dew]

[potent pivot]

are there any ensembles/pieces you'd prioritize grabbing on remix if somewhat limited

i'm limited on time that i can farm

i got the main thing i wanted already, the haunted woods druid set

[jolly sierra]

the sais

100%

[potent pivot]

the what

[jolly sierra]

daggers

[potent pivot]

which ones

[wintry dew]

Every ensemble is unique if you get them from remix because you can buy EVERY leather set and use it. As you showed earlier, you got the druid set and you'll be able to use it on your rogue!
But if i had to prioritize the bronze... I'd say:

• All leather sets (that you obviously enjoy) from LFR/Normal/Hc/Mythic vendors;
• The exclusive mounts (if you care about those);
• Trading post recolours (i got them all, literally all, i think its good price);
• Rare world boss mounts (again, if you care about mounts);
• Other armor type transmogs. I per example got some of the paladin and DK sets to use them on warrior.

[jolly sierra]

every dagger which is called pandaren

[potent pivot]

so everything?
but in all serious; the mounts all require the achievements i think(?)

[wintry dew]

Negative

You can just go there and buy them

[potent pivot]

i def wanna buy the onyx thundering w/e

but that shits like 35k

[potent pivot]

orly

i could've swore i saw some stuff tied to achievements

like the 3 item ensembles

[wintry dew]

trading post recolours

thats the only thing

[potent pivot]

oh damn

[wintry dew]

Isle of thunder for weapons (?) and that one achievment for the armor sets

or vice versa

can't remember atm

I'm only missing 1 achievment from remix

[jolly sierra]

sec im showing u a dagger

from my own hand

[potent pivot]

it reqs lv35 that's what it was

[wintry dew]

The require is being able to... fly xD

[potent pivot]

some of the weps req raid boss kills

but that's nbd ig

[jolly sierra]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/weapon-transmogs-mop-remix

here, check it out

[calm heath]

Aww man those are always the best.

[calm heath]

The main thought behind elusiveness vs cheat death is that, as a rogue, you're far more likely to die in a stun or stun like CC where you cant feint than any other time. These situations, unless you are pre-feinting stuns like a god, make cheat death more valuable since it's always there. If feint was castable while stunned we would almost certainly take that.

[outer sky]

This was true before dragonflight as well and everyone played elusiveness. Since then it's only gotten buffed to include evasion as well. I really don't know what changed tbh. When I played elusiveness I'd usually just press feint when I come off stun dr. Best case scenario i wall the stun, worst case I delay the go for at least 5 seconds.

[jolly sierra]

was good too because u had it to reduce 30% dmg instead the current 20%

[outer sky]

It's been 20% for as long as I can remember and that was back in bfa

[jolly sierra]

yeah i was talking from bfa

[outer sky]

Even back then everyone took it

People only started taking cheat this xpac

[jolly sierra]

thought was for SL

[chrome schooner]

To be fair I do think that I prefeint insanely well and as a result played Elusivness most of the expansion, but in the end it's not that great (right now) because yes, pre feinting would save you sometimes, but the game is made so that most of the lethal damage overkills you by a lot so the prefeint is often not enough unless something else was pre used, and usually those other things are self sufficient (bark, sac, etc)

which means ! right now Cheat is better even though it feels horribly unreliable

but maybe in TWW it will be different!

[jolly sierra]

shade save us and send some feedback bout cheat

[chrome schooner]

It was 30% in BfA, 30% in SL, nerfed to 20% in DF which is why people took Cheat Death

If it was still 30% believe me we'd play it

well cheat is just the option that saves you "more often"

it's not fun, it's not consistent, but well ... it works sometimes and is easier to pay because you don't have to do anything

that's also why so many people will swear it's better no matter what

pre feinting takes much more effort

(and rn it's not better anyway so...)

[jolly sierra]

:l

[plucky escarp]

yay first time elite. thank you work from home job for allowing me to Q lol

[potent pivot]

gz

[jolly sierra]

gratz

[outer sky]

Nice dude!

Anyone here really good at 3s that can do a vod review for me? It's assa/fire RMD.

[potent pivot]

if you post it someone may end up taking a look, i don't think the Shadows would be okay with anyone offering/taking gold for it in here like that though

[jolly sierra]

if u are offering willingly i think its ok

but imo any guy enough qualified here can reply him soon

i think sapsilla can review well enough from the guys which are most active here

[sick wasp]

ggs

[potent pivot]

yeah the issue is just we can't really allow 'in game services' type stuff, help here is meant to be voluntary not for gain

[jolly sierra]

i see

well, still ppl is willing to help here anyways

for free

[potent pivot]

ofc

[outer sky]

Yikes

I just got invited to a group with a r1 hpal

this guy was such a jerk

we played one game

We won

I said to trust me on the kill go

we killed

I said "see I knew we'd kill there"

he says "yeah but with the way you play I could never trust you."

like come on dude

we played one game

and won

fuck off

That actually put me in a bad mood

I was excited to play with him

I have a negative win/loss ratio in 3s because a friend of mine is a streamer and he brings me in for viewer 3s carries

which are usually super troll

like half my games are from that

and he's like, "there's no excuse"

harping on me about it

idk why I'm venting to y'all about this

I was just so hype to get into this group

and we did what I said

and we won

and I got flamed

really hard

and now I'm sad

one game

No wonder the pvp community is dead af in this game

fuck, man

[jolly sierra]

u are passing by the same state as me days ago

fucking pricks, that is the reason newcomers never arrives to pvp

[sick wasp]

relax and never give up

just try to improve

we might all make mistakes we never understand sometimes

even rank 1s grief or do stupid sht

no one is perfect

[sick wasp]

true and real

there is also another thing that ppl need to realize,all these rank 1 dudes base their gameplay based on patterns and matchups so anything that varies to that makes them cringe coz ''its not according to the optimal way to play''

common ''plea to expert'' fallacy but u need to accept the benefit of the doubt

[jolly sierra]

sound like trade mafias in wow with work orders

[sick wasp]

thats also a thing

[jolly sierra]

its like the math teacher which tells ur exercise is incorrect because its not done in his method

even if the result is the same

[sick wasp]

sometimes math needs to compute,not ever the results means its correct if the method is wrong

but again,there is the benefit of the doubt

just relax

talk

whats wrong,why this why that

ask

if they refuse to explain then they are morons

[outer sky]

If you have this mentality then dont queue in lfg

[sick wasp]

i rly try to avoid it

coz ive learned to play with a solid team for years

[outer sky]

lucky you

[sick wasp]

i literally didnt know anything,learned everything with some dudes,playing together

[outer sky]

Honestly Ive played thousands of arena matches in my wow "career"

i think thats the first time i ever got flamed for making a winning call

[sick wasp]

i think flame is just wrong

and ive got alot of games under my belt as well

seen sht

[outer sky]

Whats your xp btw?

[sick wasp]

2631iirc

my highest rating achieved

[outer sky]

what xpac?

[sick wasp]

last was legion iirc

was in that range

now im just casual farming elites from time to time

[outer sky]

I need someone to do a vod review for me

want to take a stab at it?

[sick wasp]

idk man,cant rly go that high and judge coz im out of the schene

there are way better rogues than me right now

to ask

[jolly sierra]

dude u played w bicmex

i think u are the ideal here

[sick wasp]

doesnt matter

[outer sky]

I mean I just played with Crusader lol

[jolly sierra]

bruh

[outer sky]

and apparently I'm the worst player in the history of WoW

[jolly sierra]

why u take seriously miestro

u should start for that

miestro is a prick

he flames everyone

even r1

[sick wasp]

first of all dont say that but IF u want to ask from someone help there is Raz,the man is a pvp legend

[outer sky]

Oh yeah I know Raz

[sick wasp]

also there are live coachers on skillcapped

[outer sky]

Raz has been on cata this whole season though

doing RBGs

[outer sky]

whos that?

[sick wasp]

first he made rank 1 in arena,then rank 1 in m+ then rank 1 in rbgs in retail

[jolly sierra]

crusader3455

[sick wasp]

then got bored

[potent pivot]

Brother

With complete sincerity in these next words

There is NO ONE more toxic than that guy in the entirety of video gaming

If that’s who flamed you then you are on the right track

[jolly sierra]

just dont hear that scumbag champ

u did well

[outer sky]

well that makes me feel a bit better lol

[potent pivot]

There are a few certain players that are usually around the top of the ladder that you’d honestly be better off staying away from and I’d say he is one of em

You’ll get no real feedback or grow as a player yourself

[outer sky]

I'm going to post my vod review here for anyone who wants to provide feedback. @tawny kestrel @summer breach would especially appreciate your input

Because I genuinely dont know how I could have played this better than I did.

[sick wasp]

this wa pack and the bars infront of u

do they not render your perception

[outer sky]

Not at all. I've used them for years and years and years I'm beyond used to them

before I even did PvP I got r1 in M+ twice and this kind of UI is common there. i just carried it over

[sick wasp]

personally ive disabled most WA packs for arena and playing only with basic custom trackers and gladius

yeah if it works for u go for it

i just find it impossible to react and evaluate if i base everything to WAs poping in my face,must be somehting rly of high value to have it in the middle of the screen

i wanna see even the slightest movement or bait probable

but im also on voice when i que 3s so its very different

[outer sky]

For me having that in the middle of my screen means I can always focus on the middle of my screen which is usually where most of the action is. Like I said I've gotten so used to these WA packages I couldn't dream of playing without them

[sick wasp]

yeah its ok,im trying to put myself into ur game,my brain cant compute

if it works for u its nothing to worry about

[outer sky]

That bar btw is a kingsbane tracker

It shows me how to best optimize my kingsbane CD

at 8s remaining I know to shiv

at 6s I know to tea

at 3s I know to vanish. But I dont do that one in pvp

[sick wasp]

yup ik,its LE iirc

think im using it as well

[jolly sierra]

dude

today in a match

had a 0-6 warr

which died because he went me smash and didnt let me sap

so in a moment he leapt behind enemy pillar and fucking died