pvp

[stoic spruce]

Is there a pvp modifer on reverberation?

[jolly sierra]

multiplier is 1 according to wowhead

[lucid citrus]

Got 2400 in RBG's big gains

[stoic spruce]

Nice

To the multiplier

[stoic spruce]

Sub rogue?

[twin burrow]

Hit. 658k kb last session. Very satisfying to kb on zoldyck percentage to proc sudden demise actually fun actually assassination

[stoic spruce]

Okay cool

Congrats then!

[lucid citrus]

Both Sub and Assa, got to play both on certain maps

[stoic spruce]

Half congrats

I just noticed it was two different people

I will live with this L

[twin burrow]

Pretty sure

[stoic spruce]

Just looked it up. It does not.

[twin burrow]

You can math it yourself just put the damage while hitting pvp dummy use chat gpt to match the percent difference when dummy combat vs no combat.. make sure no enchant proc

Hmm second check tho that ability got a lot of adjustments

[stoic spruce]

Checked

Still no

[twin burrow]

Lit

[stoic spruce]

Lemme check again

[twin burrow]

Noted

[stoic spruce]

Nope

[raven schooner]

Haven’t played since S2 and I’m in full honor gear just getting rolled in solo shuffle lmfao

[grave basin]

I mean

Even the 1500s have full conquest by now

The diff between full conquest + crafted + upgraded pve shit Vs full honor is really big

[stoic spruce]

Lemme check again

Still no

[fallen scaffold]

theres absolutely no reason to usse the warmonger belt over the crafted belt correct? its just been a placeholder basically since we can now officially min/max with extra sparks ? 3 more ilvl, tiny bit more mastery and tiny bit more vers

same with bracers too, yeah? or should i just go for lurking spec. bracers for even more mastery, feel like the haste wouldnt be so bad either. i feel energy starved towards the tail end of games randomly at times, a lot lol

[steel scarab]

Correct

All those people in the top 50 wearing warmonger stuff probably haven't touched their characters in months

[fallen scaffold]

thats what i thought

[chrome schooner]

It is mostly that we don't care :p

3 ilvl on one or two items isn't what will change your rating range really

[wintry dew]

Thank you for saying it, because if it was me (and it happened before) I would be yelled at because "ToP pLaYeRs absolutely min max their gear 24/7 and we gotta have the exact same % as they have so we can play"

[chrome schooner]

Some do

But in reality many people just like to be fully geared and then play, especially when they have multiple alts

And to get all the crafted parts for super optimal bis gear you needed to wait 3-6 weeks longer to get sparks (with or without vault) + then another week to get socket

When you could just play with 20 agility less big deal

Maybe if someone lives an attack on legit 100hp you can be sad at not having recrafted the belt but well, it doesn't happen

[wintry dew]

I'm not a top player whatsoever, a 1800 Andy really that uses your guides to reach that goal, but even I know that even top players don't bother sometimes going full bis bis bis

[chrome schooner]

It should be obvious to everyone yeah

No one likes to keep gearing for 2 months

[sick wasp]

gz dude

[karmic summit]

nicelydone mate huge gratz

[fallen scaffold]

i mean its just that it takes minimal effort to min/max, why wouldnt i want any little advantage over others that i could possibly get/my character to be as optimal as possible? its not like im expecting it to get me cr/rating

[sick wasp]

[sick wasp]

the truth is u get to hit a wall once u start climbing.Ppl dont buy baits and traps that easily and the less gear u have the more impactful it is

but in all ild argue thats for fairly high ratings

the gear wall that is

[chrome schooner]

3ilvl on 1/2 item changes nothing, really

[tiny ore]

what are the best posions to use for assa? I use crippling and wound, is that right? xD

[fallen scaffold]

ya

[untold remnant]

Bro.. how many fcking specs counter assa... every match in 3s is vs. either Ret, Evoker or sometimes double Evoker... You just can't press Deathmark or all damage gone.

Give me a sub meta again pls, way less tilting

[plush finch]

[Corrupt the blood] (Deathstalker talent) puts us in combat and break the stealth, need fix pls !!

[potent pivot]

if you have beta access i'd suggest bug reporting it in game

[plush finch]

I report ty. 🙂

[tough spruce]

Had a MW monk dodge a kidney today, how is that possible? I don't know any dodge mechanics for mw

[grave basin]

You forgot about the Ret who's also a dwarf btw

I feel like DM isn't even that good of a cd anyway

[potent pivot]

this maybe?

there's also this

i honestly have no idea though

[untold remnant]

bring back vendetta

[potent pivot]

vendetta wasn't that great either

DM being able to be dispelled is prolly my biggest gripe of the past expansion

[untold remnant]

if tehy just keep it up and you can reapply bleeds

would be fine

Imagine if disarm removed wings for ret

😄

Or avatar for war

[potent pivot]

yeah anything would be better than having your 2min CD fully removed

like i could understand if it were 1 or even 1.5 min CD

or if it had CDR

but damn

[wintry dew]

Even better

If DM is dispelled, rogue gets X buff

Like other classes have

[wanton breach]

mnost likely this ability

choice talent instead of dampen harm - some monks take it just to fuck with rogues

[tough spruce]

Had to be that then. Thanks didnt know that existed

[steel scarab]

Yeah vendetta being able to be dispelled by multiple classes and races does not make it feel like a 2 minute "ultimate" ability, it makes it feel like a sad joke lol

[potent pivot]

iirc there's a hero talent that gives us X%dmg increase when DM ends

but i have no idea if that'll work if it's dispelled

[wintry dew]

Like S2 aberrus tier

[potent pivot]

ye

[wintry dew]

Not a fan of those kinds of tiers but we take it I guess.
Still, q lot of specs have that "If your thing is dispelled you gain x" like warlocks (I believe they still have)

Meanwhile rogues getting their 2min CD removed by a simple dispel

[potent pivot]

i might play DK or DH or some shit in TWW

[calm heath]

Deathmark is definitely the most counterable large spec CD in the game atm. Needs to be looked at. We should at least get a self damage increase buff for the remaining duration of the dispelled deathmark. Thay way it doesn't affect PVE design and we don't get screwed in PVP when like half of the specs in the game (and a racial lol) completely negate my main class cooldown

[tawdry imp]

noob question, does the pve level of an item affect the stats of the item when the pvp item level scaling kicks in? I keep seeing that everyone's crafted rings are at least 502 with a crest rather than 489 without

[potent pivot]

pve item level doesn't affect anything in pvp

any item with a pvp ilvl will scale up to it's stated pvp ilvl in pvp, regardless of it's pve ilvl

some people upgrade pve ilvl of some pieces simply for world quests and other pve stuff

[tawdry imp]

ah perfect, thanks 🙂

[fallen scaffold]

in ss you think its worth it to like, put it on the offtarget after u burst kingsbane and evertthing else on KT, just to try and get off targets cds ? and negate soem of teh burst healing on kt

[surreal barn]

Depends on the off target, if you’re talking about shuffle, and how late in the game

[fallen scaffold]

lets say in the opener

on someone obviously not surv or anything like that

[tame umbra]

whats main stat for outlaw? because icy veins says crit and wowhead mastery xd

[potent pivot]

Both

Vers > crit/mast > haste

[tame umbra]

[surreal barn]

I like to hold DM in an opener

Keeps them honest

[surreal barn]

Still haven’t touched those two classes

Scared I won’t come back lol

[potent pivot]

i kinda doubt i'll have that issue tbh. rogue too fun usually.

i hate the idea of even playing dh, but maybe it'll turn out being fun as well

[summer breach]

Lol I just went 4-2 in a lobby with a Sub Rogue and 3 Evokers 😄

[wintry dew]

I can smell the smoke

Because they are cooked

[summer breach]

When I saw that lobby I was like wtf rip 0-6

[steel scarab]

Man that's crazy, good job

Rough classes to face

[steel scarab]

A true zug zug enjoyer

[untold remnant]

Can anyone tell me how I play vs. a ret paladin as an Assa rogue. No matter what comp, I always lose vs. Ret

[potent pivot]

@thin fjord can't use the server as LFG homie

[thin fjord]

why not make an lfg chat for it then? Seems like an ideal place to find partners? Sorry I didn't see in rules that that would be the case

[jolly sierra]

cuz we just talk about pvp here, not directly look for it xd

unless u ask a guy here personally, u cant

[thin fjord]

Wild, seems like it would be ideal but my bad ig

[potent pivot]

i don't really have the answers to your questions, apologies. i don't think that it's directly stated in the server rules, my guess is it has something to do with this being a partnered server or something. i just know we don't allow it in the server.

[nova viper]

SEEEEEEEEXO

[jolly sierra]

SEXOOOOOOO

[outer sky]

Playing my survival hunter and just queued into an SS lobby with an assa rogue and pres evoker. Assa rogue did 30k dps across all 6 games lmfao

mending and caut in the same lobby RIP

[plucky escarp]

Does gouge remove SP dots?

[outer sky]

no gouge doesnt remove anything. If the target has dots gouge will insta break

[jolly sierra]

poor guy

does he was flamed? xd

[surreal barn]

How I feel on my kul tiran

[calm heath]

Normally no. It is best used when the other team doesn't have a CD to trade so of youve already pulled Bubble/BoP/etc. However, if that's not happening, it can be used to try and pull those types of CDs then follow up with SDance, Shiv, KB in addition to your partner's cooldowns afterwards

I rarely use it on off targets

Dearhmark use is just super janky in PVP

[summer breach]

If u face 3 Evokers in shuffle u can basically unbind it

[calm heath]

I was in a double prot pally, ret pally, frost mage, and evokes shuffle lobby last week and the game was basically unplayable

[summer breach]

tank specs xD

or do you mean ret which basically is prot

[calm heath]

3 pallies- 2 prot, 1 ret

Prot is considered a healing spec in RSS and they can lobby against each other

[summer breach]

on really high rating assa can handle many things but stacked pallys and frostmages are hard counters

[calm heath]

Yeah was 2700. Everyone mostly knew that they were doing. Most frustrating arena match I've ever had

[summer breach]

on one rogue I had a double DK warrior game today

vs the dks I had 409k dps in details one game xd

~250kish on players

[surreal barn]

Does beta combat just feel… different

Or is it just me

[wintry dew]

Define different

[surreal barn]

Mine was this combo as well devo/frost I squeezed some uptime with DFA

[gleaming pawn]

Doesn’t effect PvP in most cases but lmao the bugs just keep on coming

[potent pivot]

something similar happened in another somewhat recent raid testing

idr if it was the last tier of SL or the first tier of DF

[summer breach]

we still in alpha

real Beta is TWW season 1

KEKW

[outer sky]

Is there an addon or weakaura that shows your stat %s in pvp while not actually being in pvp?

[potent pivot]

i don't think so

i know there's one that shows your stats in general

but gotta enter pvp combat with the pvp target dummy at least as far as i know

[gleaming pawn]

We should start a betting pool on what state Rogue gets released in

[outer sky]

so I'm 2400 on my rogue in SS. how long should I wait for the latter to inflate to push legend?

[summer breach]

u should start now depending on the time u have

since q times are kinda long xD

[outer sky]

its only 100 wins and theres like 6 ish weeks left of the season

[summer breach]

its 4 weeks left

and 2.4 or 2.5 is no difference

I mean you could wait 2 weeks for some mmr but it wont change much dificulty wise

[outer sky]

4 weeks left? New xpac is 2 months out. Whats going on with the last month?

[summer breach]

prepatch

[outer sky]

for a whole month?

damn

[summer breach]

ye

event starts 31.07

so season end is most likely 24th

[narrow tangle]

one month of prepatch

😭

summer break

[jolly sierra]

u guys must teach me for sub in cata later, im like 10 lvls away already

for pvp ofc

[calm heath]

Super short season

[wintry dew]

Kidney - shadow dance, spam ambush eviscerate

BRRRR

[jolly sierra]

interesting, can try it lol

[wintry dew]

i remember i actually reached 2.1 or 2.2 in 3s in private servers YEARS ago during cata

was my first elite set (vicious)

[jolly sierra]

was vicious? this season is vicious

u can try tho

again

[wintry dew]

yeah

My first elite was S1 Cata

[jolly sierra]

come, we can play together lol

[wintry dew]

1. I don't have a character;
2. Even thought you're THE homie, i don't want to go back to a previous expansion;
3. I'm just waiting for TWW, wondering what to play until then

[jolly sierra]

1. got
2. it
3. DW

[wintry dew]

https://tenor.com/view/empire-i-got-you-brothers-lucious-terrence-howard-gif-4652933

[jolly sierra]

maybe can ask sap then, the guy have a dk, maybe we can do 3s with a healer

[surreal barn]

Deathstalker will be nerfed to shit

lol

Rn you can perforated veins goremaw into a ridiculously amped DFA, no shadowblades required

Any idea when tuning is supposed to happen or is the time now?

[gleaming pawn]

We have no clue at all

And Rogue is doing trash damage in pve on the beta, all 3 specs. So tuning is going to be a cluster fuck if we get any major passes at all

[calm heath]

Tuning happening now through release

[grave basin]

I find it hilarious that prot can even queue against one another

Every prot lobby one prot is a male dranei called ExodarsChamp or some variant with a /yell wings macro going 0 6

[wanton breach]

that's the only lobby they can have

[nova viper]

@jolly sierra seexo

Imagine

I look here just for saying seexo to you

xD

[wintry dew]

Sex is good tho

[serene ferry]

What poisons do we use in arena?

I cannot really find a definitive answer on this in guides

[pearl warren]

wound

[serene ferry]

Been dabbling with pvp these days

[serene ferry]

As assassination **

[pearl warren]

wound

[serene ferry]

And non lethal?

[pearl warren]

crippling

slow too good

numbing too minor

atrophic bad

[serene ferry]

Cool thanks

[grave basin]

@pearl warren In shuffle do you usually send the kidney on the kill target for internal bleeding dam

Or on healers for cc

Ive been using it on healers but I saw your Lobby with bicmex mm and you were using kidneys on him

[pearl warren]

wasn’t me i barely play shuffle

[red pebble]

What amount of spellqueuewindow would be optimal for playing rogue in arenas?

[wintry dew]

I have absolutely no idea what that is

But I'm a 1800-2000 rating guy, maybe it's something I missed

[nova viper]

[grave basin]

Oh I actually tagged the wrong person

[grave basin]

I meant @chrome schooner

[sick wasp]

sub is cool but sin is better probably,especially if u are new to cata(has DN-9% dmg reduction on sin tree)

cata btw was my absolute pick in rated 3s(2.630-ish iirc)

did 2.4 every other week and boosting duelists 😉

another thing u should take into consideration is that sin uses envenom which ignores armor,just before resilience/resistance thats all

envenom is also good coz u can cb=>envenom over bop which kinda counters a paladin cd

[chrome schooner]

Situational, sometimes healer sometimes kill target. Mostly kill target though

[grave basin]

What do you do to cross the healer ?

Or it doesn't matter

[drifting flint]

What do you guys think of macroing kings bane, thistle tea and dance together. I've been using this macro for a bit and recently a friend told me it was bad. Idk. It feels nice pressing three buttons with one keybind

[wintry dew]

We do SD - KB in pve

Can't see a problem there

[drifting flint]

I haven't found a ton of situations where you would dance without KB. Maybe if you need to peal all 3 enemies to keep a teammate alive?

[wintry dew]

Dance snapshots kb DMG, you could cast it later after SD tho

Instead of the first global

[drifting flint]

What do you mean by "snapshots" the dmg

[grave basin]

if you use any ability with nightstalker up

the damage gets amped by a % and remains that way until the bleed/ability wears off

so you shouldnt "refresh" it until it's gonna drop off

cause the ability has snapshotted the % buff

[radiant glen]

in pvp specifically i would not include kingsbane in the macro. tea is ok because you want it for the kingsbane hit though, and u shouldnt dance without tea

[jolly sierra]

SEXOOOOOOO

[jolly sierra]

as should be lol

[jolly sierra]

are you sure assa is decent in arenas? ive read was mediocre in that time

[sick wasp]

sin and sub were about the same,sub isnt good into plate as sin is.Ive played both with t2/leggo wpns,sin had the edge for me

rmp wasnt a thing alot back then coz hunter/ret/Rogue existed but ye

in general sub could enable that as well

if anything ild play RLS coz tripleX is kinda outdated unless u run into a good hunter and a ret and climb that way

u could also try thug cleave

but kitty cleave and jungle also exist

so be prepared to get railed by ferals if u are into sub tech

sin doesnt care for that

[jolly sierra]

well, will consider that too then

and yeah, ive read feral was S tier fuck

[sick wasp]

feral was top tier in cata

bleeds and big bites

didnt know from what u would die

[jolly sierra]

that is disgusting

god dammit

[drifting flint]

So dance>refresh bleeds w nightstalker buff>then kb and dump points into envenom?

Sorry im new to rogue. Trying to get all class elite sets this season haha. Rogue is definitely the most nuanced I've played so far

[grave basin]

you can also just keep the target locked down with cheap into cheap

after the kb

[radiant glen]

its situational, but generally no
as assassination in arena you're usually dancing to force cds or close the game entirely
refreshing bleeds for the nightstalker value does not provide that instant value and is effectively a wasted dance if you start by doing that
say you've forced a cd or a trinket and its clear the kill attempt is over, but you still have a few seconds on dance, sure, go ahead, spend on a rupture
but generally speaking in 3s you're going to kidney -> dance -> situationally cheap/garrote silence for the cross cc into your burst dmg which is likely KB/Evenom with restuns off the kidney or garrote silence reapp depending on target

@drifting flint

[drifting flint]

Gotcha. Okay. I just feel like most of the time I'm either too focused on dmg and never hit cc or too focused on cc and never hit dmg haha. Been playing rogue/lock/healer with my lock friend and my dmg is always 1st or 2nd but we have a hard time killing things.

[radiant glen]

i wouldnt be super concerned about the minor debatable minmaxes like shiv before/after kidney inside/outside dance because it likely wont make a reasonable differance at ur rank as ur just learning, and by the time u rank up dance is removed from assass anyways :)

[drifting flint]

Yeah I just am planning on hitting 1800 and going next haha. I've done all healer classes already. Rogue is my first dps

[radiant glen]

gl in ur climb and hope ur having fun on rogue :D

[grave basin]

he'll come back

they always do

[drifting flint]

Lol rogue is one of the few classes that I really haven't played. Figured I'd start with the "hardest" classes to me after healing

[steel scarab]

Jesus, thank you. Someone finally has the mental capacity to acknowledge our class as hard compared to others

[karmic summit]

Keep in keep in mind as assa zoldyk works for kingsbane initial damage

You can use it as a execute

[drifting flint]

That is very good to know actually.

[summer breach]

doesnt count for current assa 😛

[steel scarab]

New assassination is harder?!

[outer sky]

what pvp talent do you take when you dont need disarm or the cloak talent?

[radiant glen]

which spec do you play?

[outer sky]

assa

[radiant glen]

Always play smoke bomb
Control is king is OK, and what id play as 2nd talent

As for 3rd:
Thick as thieves is the best if your partner can use it well

System shock is a tiny amount of extra dmg + an OK slow
DFA can follow things like lock port and alter time
Maneuvarability can also be nice if you find urself getting kited a lot

Beyond this things are very situational:
Hemotoxin can be good for cleave if you cant maintain wound on everyone but still want the value with aoe shiv on the off chance the casters are stacked up

Creeping venom can force people to stand still slightly more giving you a little bit more uptime provided they dont have inherent freedoms or regular dispels

Only talent id never pick is dagger in the dark

[outer sky]

I usually lock in bomb and hemo. Only time I drop hemo is against another assass rogue. Against them I play bomb, disarm, and cloak.

[radiant glen]

then id take control is king as ur 3rd if u wanna keep running hemo

[steel scarab]

@outer sky I only take hemo against 2 melee

If you can't guarantee shiv is consistently hitting 2 targets I didn't find it worth it

[outer sky]

you dont think the extra 5% MS during your burst is worth?

[steel scarab]

I generally find that if the target gets any heals during my burst they don't die anyway

Unless you're in deep dampening, that's when Hemo is strongest

So short answer, no

I also felt Hemo was best against Resto Druid healers

I have no idea why it seemed that way, it just did

[outer sky]

By this logic you should be playing deadly poison instead of wound, right?

[steel scarab]

No, because if you make it to deep dampening, wound on 2-3 people helps win you the game

But hemo + wound is redundant

It's also the question of opportunity cost. If you're relatively certain there's no other pvp talent you're actually going to use, just use hemo

There are matches where Death from above is a great talent choice. Probably 2/3 of the time I'd spec into it, I'd forget to use it

So in all those cases, literally any other passive talent would've been better

Conversely, there are a few times I forgot to swap out Dismantle against all caster teams and I often still won

So it's like, ideally your pvp talents are intelligent choices but in many cases the only truly important one is bomb

[outer sky]

Is it possible to have too much mastery as assa? These are my stats

[jolly sierra]

i have 99%

but i use double azure as embellishment

[outer sky]

I'm using zone of focus and indemnity feet

whats azure do?

[gleaming pawn]

He means blue silken lining

Gives the huge mastery buff above 90% HP

[jolly sierra]

ye that one

[outer sky]

oh yeah I'm running one of those

[jolly sierra]

u can run 2 if u wanna enough

[outer sky]

idk if the uptime is worth running 2

[jolly sierra]

raz was using it, seems viable

[outer sky]

the indemnity feet seem really good for rogues because we're always CCing on our goes

can we equip more than 1 of the same bullion dagger

?

[wintry dew]

Yes

But do you really want to farm enough aspects to max another weapon?

[outer sky]

i'm over 2400 I get them every game

i'm pushing for Legend anyway

and im 2250 in 2s so I get them from that too

[steel scarab]

Yes, as long as the dagger doesn't say unique equipped

You can't have two Cruel Dreamcarvers for example

[outer sky]

ah rip thats what I wanted to run 2 of

i wonder if its worth it to lose vers to gain mastery

by running the crit/mastery bullion dagger

[gleaming pawn]

To a certain extent, yes

I think some of the top are pushing 30ish vers. I know @surreal barn mentioned it

[steel scarab]

I think two crit mastery daggers is ideal, but I have one and the dreamcarver

[outer sky]

thats what Im gunna run I think

[steel scarab]

I think that's best, just make sure they don't say unique equipped (pretty sure they don't)

[potent pivot]

i'd go for a haste/mast item before i went for a crit/mast item

but that's me

[outer sky]

Nah I mean im gunna run the crit/mast dagger and the dreamcarver

[steel scarab]

Yeah that seems good

[outer sky]

does the crit/mastery dagger have more mastery on it or something?

[potent pivot]

the fang of sundered flame or w/e does have a chunk on it yes

[jolly sierra]

the non dreamcarved has a lot

[potent pivot]

it's like 200crit/400mast

somewhere around there

[potent pivot]

@outer sky can't use the server as LFG homie

#rules-and-guides message

has never been allowed here, but recently was put into the rule page^

[gleaming pawn]

I don’t want the LFG spam either, but do we know of actual LFG servers we could point people to? Thinking having that linked somewhere if they were reputable, would cut down on people asking

[jolly sierra]

worldofpvp is a discord server up for that tho

but TBH u can personally ask a guy here for that

like i did w royal yesterday

[wintry dew]

Yeah asking a homie to play should be alright

but using the channel as a LFG not so much

[jolly sierra]

would be flooded too imo

like ingame LFG

[outer sky]

welp I DCd and lost 150 rating

from 2415 to 2265

lovely

and it didnt even count the wins I got in the lobby before DCing towards my legend achieve

[raven schooner]

Trying to gear for sub, so far I have 2 set bonus and crafted items and 1 conq weapon, do you guys think I should prioritize getting 4 set bonus, 2nd weapon, does it really matter?

[outer sky]

off hand weapon is one of the least impactful pieces of gear you can get

[raven schooner]

That’s excellent to hear because that’s my conq weapon lmfao

[outer sky]

cant you just swap it to the main hand?

[raven schooner]

It’s claw so then I couldn’t use shadowstrike, evis, etc no?

[outer sky]

oh its a fist weapon

[raven schooner]

Unfortunately

[outer sky]

yeah that has to stay off hand

[raven schooner]

So then I should get dagger next? That was my plan

[outer sky]

yeah probs.

[raven schooner]

Sounds good ty king

[neat dove]

i got the Diurna Ring mythic, should I get a shadowflame embellishment?

[outer sky]

what spec are you?

[neat dove]

either sub or ass

[outer sky]

you dont really want to use that ring

you want the other one

filal duty of w/e its called

[neat dove]

Filial Duty?

[outer sky]

yeah

big dick mastery

[neat dove]

got that on mythic as well 😄

[outer sky]

The embelishments you use are blue silk lining and the indemnity feet'

although you can use double blue silk if you want

[neat dove]

so you dont care about the procc effect

[outer sky]

nope

its just a stat stick

[neat dove]

aah i see so just stats

gonna get blue silken lining belt then and get engi wrists for mastery

[outer sky]

I think you're supposed to claft BSL on your head

[neat dove]

i dont wanna use the 525 belt though

[outer sky]

you can craft a belt w/o putting an embelishment on it

[neat dove]

does it matter then whether the embelishment is on head or belt?

[wintry dew]

No

Only the ilvl matters

Because it scales with ilvl

[jolly sierra]

check DM

[stiff mesa]

why are we crafting the peripheral vision projectors as outlaw?

[potent pivot]

because there aren't any really reputable ones, not that i know of

[jolly sierra]

thug shithead who hired ppl to kill me in zaralek come back

but didnt called anything and trolled him a little w the nodes

so seems he left again

but looks like he was banned or warned if he backed off

basically took all elemental nodes and left him regulars

[outer sky]

are we sure acrobatic strikes is better than cold blood? i feel like a cold blood/kingsbane macro would be really good

[jolly sierra]

yes, have u seen warriors trying to reach u w acrobatics?

melees hates that range thing because they cant reach u easily at all

[potent pivot]

iirc it'd only affect the first tick

so it'd be pretty niche

[surreal barn]

When you dance you get the master assassin crit added into your stats

Pretty decent chance to crit without CB because of that

[radiant glen]

Its debatable but the qol of acro and ability to hit through things like RoP imo outweighs forcing the initial kingsbane crit especially with MA as zeiss pointed out

[outer sky]

MA is 30%, most rogues are running 20% or less crit. That means you're still more likely not to crit than to crit. But even if you were more likely to crit, a 60% crit chance is nothing compared to a 100% crit chance. Knowing you'll crit every time with kingsbane can for sure help with planning your set ups. Personally I know there have been many times where I got the kill in smoke bomb just because my Kingsbane crit hard.

[hasty nebula]

Where do I go to learn when I suck at cata pvp?

[potent pivot]

can try to look up guides on various sites, or maybe googling the classic rogue discord

[wintry dew]

#classic-discussion message

Try one of those servers

[karmic summit]

I play around with it in shuffles if there are ranged lobbies i play coldblood

If melee lobbies i go acrobatics

[twin burrow]

teh arena >:)

[summer breach]

makes no sense

there is not a single situation you would pick coldblood over current acrobatic strikes

[hot jungle]

very random and specific question, sorry if it's been answered before or I'm asking in the wrong place, seems hard to google to find an answer :x

if i have 2 alts above 2400 in shuffle of the same spec, are the wins for legend counted separately? like 50 wins on char1 + 50 wins on char2 would not grant legend

[wintry dew]

they should be separate

altough im saying this out of my ass

Usually PvP achievements are character locked

[karmic summit]

Understandable but my playstyle allows me to do it

[calm heath]

https://tenor.com/view/brad-uchiha-katana-studied-the-blade-gif-22660259
Big "studied the blade" energy

Losing acro is huge even for guaranteed KB crits

[sick wasp]

clear the room bro

my OCD kicking in

[sick wasp]

im cooking my feral in cata btw

gonna clap some bttchicks

[jolly sierra]

do it in horde and we play together kek

[sick wasp]

got my stuff on firemaw alliance,what server are u

[jolly sierra]

mandokir horde

[sick wasp]

[fresh jacinth]

QoL is not needing to make poisons or farm for blind

Acro is just a massive advantage because you attack from very far lol

[sick wasp]

check out raz

he is streaming 3k mmr cata rbgs

man stomps avidance group

[outer sky]

is there a cap on how many bullions you can get?

[wanton breach]

yes, weeks since first week of season 4, so 10 atm - there were some quests for additional bullion items but they are gone already

[jolly sierra]

what the

is he active now?

[outer sky]

https://murlok.io/character/us/area-52/starlinkgamr/pvp I made murlok!

it says 2291 but im 2332 now

[jolly sierra]

@sick wasp close to get fast speed mount

[outer sky]

so I have a question about gear

if I replace the crit/vers conq dagger with the crit/mastery bullion dagger

I gain 3% mastery but lose 2% vers

that 3% mastery buffs my poisons and bleeds by 3%

but i'm losing 2% on all my damage by dropping 2% vers

plus I lose the defensive benefit of the vers

so is it really with it to drop 2% vers for 3% mastery?

[wintry dew]

I'm no mathematician but ... it doesnt seem worth. you are losing 2% dmg buff + 1% damage reduction to gain 3% poison/bleed dmg

[outer sky]

yeah and in practice its only a 1% poison and bleed damage buff because the vers loss eats the other 2%

[wintry dew]

But you're way higher rated than i am, so i don't know better

[outer sky]

and the vers also buffs my mut and fok damage

[wintry dew]

other than what "makes sense"

[fallen scaffold]

would depend how much vers u already have

[potent pivot]

Not really

[potent pivot]

If the wowhead chart is correct, you gain +1.7% damage per 1% of mastery.
So in the end it’s up to you if gaining that damage is worth losing the damage reduction

[fallen scaffold]

i mean if youre already far into the 2nd dr level of a stat, thats going to weigh on my decision on whether or not i should add to other stats and how much. but thats just me

[potent pivot]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/diminishing-returns-on-secondary-stats-in-world-of-warcraft

[outer sky]

how can that possibly be? Mastery % buffs your poison and bleed damage by what ever % mastery you have. so how could 1% mastery give you more than 1% damage?

Also, another gear question

As sub, with BSL I have 130% mastery baseline

I believe anything after 126% is wasted

but thats with BSL

should I drop some mastery to get below 126% with BSL?

or keep it at 130% so when I dont have BSL I still have the most amount of mastery?

[potent pivot]

i think you're fine keeping it, i've seen people with even higher mastery than that

don't think it's going to make a big difference anyway

[potent pivot]

yeah the wowhead chart might be wrong or out of date etc

[steel scarab]

It could possibly be because

We have abilities that buff our damage. Nightstalker, Shrouded Suffocation, etc. So I guess theoretically, a 1% flat damage increase may end up being a 2% overall damage increase in practice with our buff uptime

Kind of like the opposite of BSL, that's a flat mastery damage increase, but it's not always active

So let's say BSL is a 10% mastery increase or something, and it's calculated that 10% mastery is a 10% damage increase for the sake of easy math (it's not, but just pretend)

If you're only above 90% hp for half the match, it's not really a 10% damage increase, it's 5%

Maybe 1% versatility is indeed 1% to all damage, but given how frequently or infrequently you're applying empowered ruptures and garrotes and Kingsbanes and having Nightstalker up for melee white damage during KB windows, idk

That could be why (I really have no actual idea, just speculation)

That's probably also why Mastery is generally better for us (up to a certain point of diminishing returns, which as i understand it, is a very high number) than Versatility is, because it takes a lot less of the mastery stat to gain 1% than it does of the Versatility stat to gain 1%

Because almost ALL of our damage comes from bleeds, almost all of it. To a lesser extent, poisons. To a way way lesser extent, white damage and mutilate and fan and ambush. So these not getting buffed by mastery doesn't even matter.

Now, that aside, if it's a true 1:1 as you said with no other opportunity costs involved, and it's, would I rather have 1% mastery or 1% versatility? Definitely versatility

If that's the situation you're truly in, you have probably hit the deep diminishing returns on mastery folks are referring to

[sick wasp]

he's playing cata since the launch bro 😛

[sick wasp]

yup,its just dailies grinding and bgs

and its actually fun in cata

not even kidding

dailies last like 1min each tops

and bgs are rly fun

u will be doing 1.5-2k only by dailies and selling stuff

[jolly sierra]

ahh that explains a lot

[jolly sierra]

uhhhhhhhhh

interesting

[sick wasp]

lemme put it into some numbers

if u wanna just farm gold/tokens

its 30min-1hour gaming max

if u wanna pvp u can play forever

[jolly sierra]

rlly?

just that?

tell me in details the entire schedule in that interval

[sick wasp]

ye if u just want daily gold and dont want any heroics or raids or anything its just that

u get enough gear to do heroics ezpz from that from rep stuff as well

so u are incrementally introduced to content want it or not

[jolly sierra]

interesting

i can try trying HCs dungeons

[sick wasp]

ive got 2 characters 354ilvl passively

by doing nothing

😅

just gold

[jolly sierra]

that is fine and if it works

then gg

[potent pivot]

!update

[wintry dew]

There's an update!?

[potent pivot]

i just updated commands

[neat bough]

think its better to use #bot-spam for the command

[potent pivot]

true

[wintry dew]

Its fine trickz we still love you

[stoic spruce]

What are you doing in this cave of gremlins and goblins and ghouls???

Gremlins and goblins and ghouls!

Oh my!

[sick wasp]

im no gremlin

hello

[stoic spruce]

Then you are a goblin or a ghoul

I, personally, am a ghoul.

[potent pivot]

i believe this makes me a gremlin

[jolly sierra]

wtf there are mods in our sewer lol

[stoic spruce]

Right??

[jolly sierra]

right

[surreal barn]

@jolly sierra amateurs amiright?

[neat bough]

i like undead, so #ghouls

[neat bough]

league does a surprisingly good job of keeping visual noise low

[surreal barn]

Im hoping with the universal cc animations that we can turn off particle effects and just leave the universal ones on

At least for pvp

[neat bough]

valorant was also usually fine

poe def. isn't

[potent pivot]

poe's gotta be one of the worst games for visual clarity ever made

[jolly sierra]

ye lol

[wintry dew]

ff14

Show limited = let me see important abilities like Healers Shield domes p,e

[twin burrow]

yeah, but whats a ghoul to a goblin?

[wintry dew]

in tokyo, this is a ghoul:

https://tenor.com/view/tokyo-ghoul-gif-18004132

[stoic spruce]

Ghoul gang

I learned that male ghouls are Ghul and females are Ghulah

[outer sky]

yeah i'm at 97%

What embellishments do we use as outlaw? I might try pushing r1 with it since the cutoff is only around 2400

[wanton breach]

there's probably a reason why the cutoff is that 'low'

[outer sky]

I think its because assass is so OP everyone is playing it instead of outlaw

I got 2500 on WW monk I can for sure get it on Outlaw rogue lol

[potent pivot]

it looks like most people are running the snow ball set lol

[outer sky]

lmfao

[potent pivot]

if i had to guess, some of outlaw's kit might be buffing the damage from it

but if you already have blue silken lining and mettle, i'd say you're more than fine to just run those

stuff like ADR and GS might be buffing the dmg from the snowball set, i'm not sure if those abilities buffing trinket/cantrip items was ever changed

[long shore]

Why are all the top rogues running the snowball set? Any idea ?

For outlaw at least

[potent pivot]

we just talked about this above

i haven't played outlaw at all this season so i'm just going off what i believe it to be, but:

1. some of outlaw's abilities might be buffing the dmg from the snowball set, so it could be doing more dmg for outlaw than it does for other classes/specs

2. maybe snowball set just provides more dmg for outlaw than blue silken lining/mettle

not much else to it

[long shore]

Thanks. Maybe a rogue playing it can chime in as well

[potent pivot]

you could try asking Nahj or Kalvish if you catch em streaming

seems very few people are playing outlaw this season

[long shore]

Good suggestion 👍

[maiden siren]

Hi, are the lurking specter chest/legs something you get through PVE ?

I could see the guy selling them at 434 gs

[potent pivot]

you can catalyst other gear into tier

[maiden siren]

I thought that was the last season tier ?

[potent pivot]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/revival-catalyst-dragonflight#season-4

[wintry dew]

Thats always current season

Atleast since it was launched

[maiden siren]

will read that up, thanks 🙂

[potent pivot]

npnp

[wintry dew]

trickz im looking good on my Viper

[potent pivot]

i started leveling another DH in mop remix last night

once i get the stuff i want i'll prolly get back to leveling my ninja on ff

at least until tww release

so much stuff to play right now, so little time

[wintry dew]

I find ninja so hard 70+

[wintry dew]

thats why i canceled my sub on wow

[potent pivot]

yeah that's why it was my first choice

[potent pivot]

i usually prefer the most difficult melee

[wintry dew]

coming back the last week or so of prepatch

Ninja is like 20-30 secs of huge APM burst BRRRRRRRRR and chill ... wait a minute is just current assa rogue

[potent pivot]

between playing OSRS, FF, WOW i'm kinda struggling to prioritize

[wintry dew]

Didnt know you're an osrs OG

[potent pivot]

yeah i played it from like, 2005-2012ish, somewhere around there

picked it back up after oldschool came out and was playing it very minimally

[wintry dew]

Ill be honest, i NEVER played runescape, only saw videos about it.

So i know about the game but not enough to be able to have a proper conversation about it

my oldschool game was Mu Online

[potent pivot]

it looks really bad to someone that's never played it, but there's really nothing else like it

[wintry dew]

which i played during that time you described

until wow

[potent pivot]

all progression stays with you forever

gear, skills, etc

[wintry dew]

So you know you're building something for a "lifetime"

[potent pivot]

nothing ever becomes useless or anything

[outer sky]

for some reason when I meld/stealth as outlaw and reopen Im not getting subterfuge

[potent pivot]

yeah

you do something once and never have to do it again etc

[potent pivot]

are you sure you're getting proper stealthed

[gleaming pawn]

that's a known bug, same with re-stealthing while you already have subterfuge

it makes doing world content as outlaw annoying

[harsh kiln]

probably because that's what was used in AWC by the top teams at the time when Outlaw was still good at the top:) i dont think anyone has done any new numbercrunching for outlaw since then. after that Assa became the go to spec on the Ladder and the top contenters of AWC swapped to Cata when it released.

that's my guess*

[outer sky]

yeah Im sure

outlaw feels so weird

like on the meters im doing a lot of damage but i dont feel like I have any kill pressure

[potent pivot]

that's kinda how outlaw is

cleave and do consistent dmg, but cdr makes it easier to live and control the other team

[outer sky]

the nerfs feel so unnecessary

[outer sky]

is the dreamcarvers effect not usable in pvp?

[jolly sierra]

it is

[wintry dew]

afaik they don't work inside of arenas

if they did everyone would be running one to get the cheat death effect

[jolly sierra]

it does

i used it once inside

[jolly sierra]

i used it in a skirmish

idk

can send proof if u wanna to

[potent pivot]

you're good lol, i'm just putting out there what is available

sometimes these things are wrong

[jolly sierra]

hmm

ill try anyways

to see if it was changed

the farming pot faded, so

[outer sky]

when I zone into an arena it gets greyed out on my bars

How exactly do you guys fight against shadowplay?

Ive been getting farmed by it all evening

[jolly sierra]

was nerfed

it used to work in s3

just tried too

[outer sky]

Well I just asked Nessper. Aint lookin' good folks

[surreal barn]

lol

[jolly sierra]

big meanie

LOL

[outer sky]

I also asked Palumor. He said to be extremely aggressive and dont run away behind pillars. Reading between the lines I think what he was trying to say was "send it and hope you can one shot someone"

[jolly sierra]

XD

[outer sky]

OMFG look at the lobby im dealing with

I cant do anything

[outer sky]

that was the most aids lobby ive ever been in

went 1-5

4 BoPs, 3 bubbles, 3 sacs, 2 sancs

[twin burrow]

You forgot the last figure!

0 fun 😂

[outer sky]

Did nightstalker get nerfed? I could have sworn it used to be a 20% damage buff

[vocal surge]

Wasn't that always the case since S3?

[outer sky]

OUCH

[wintry dew]

That's definitely a skill issue

[twin burrow]

I don't understand

Isn't it max hp scaled

[surreal barn]

He was into some shenanigans

[twin burrow]

shes gonna be naked on the internet soon^

btw, her friend told her to say "spit on it" you can see in the og video. she turns her head and says it under her breath. true friendship, the leader and the precious content creating attractive goofy unhinged friend

[wintry dew]

She's already selling hats

[twin burrow]

we have a very weird culture .. anyway gang gang

[outer sky]

I was in the Temple RBG and held an orb for pretty much the whole game so I had a 650% damage taken increased debuff on me

[sick wasp]

avizura streaming 2s with mehhx

good time to zone in for the tech

[twin burrow]

kk ty

[outer sky]

yooo I just went 4-2 in a SS lobby with 3 evokers

triple caut

[steel scarab]

Chad gaming

[twin burrow]

Chadlinkgamr

[brave plume]

is it just me or does outlaw do much less damage in pvp than a few months ago?

had a few month long break and suddenly feels like it doesn't hit like it used to

[chrome schooner]

everyone does more, outlaw not so much

[untold remnant]

Between the eyes got nerfed, as did the combo point reset charge of ace. That nerfed it quite hard

[outer sky]

okay this should give me enough of a buffer now to always stay above 2.4 and get Legend

[gleaming pawn]

https://tenor.com/view/big-brain-gif-27108854

You don’t need a buffer if you just don’t lose

[untold remnant]

There was no MMR reset this season. But I don’t know how much more it will inflate

So I would go for the wins not in the last week only

[outer sky]

I'm already 41/100

But I'm also passively trying to push r1 on outlaw since the cutoff is pretty low

[neat dove]

question: does silence hurt retris much? I thought disarm is the logic choice during wings but ive been reprimanded for using garrote in opener, which uses up silence DR which would be more useful against retris wings

i thought silencing retri is like disarming DH

[outer sky]

silence is more impactful than disarm vs a ret

[karmic summit]

Dropped to 2.350 from 2550 with 99 wins

No where is safe

[outer sky]

you should be able to get that last win no problem. two 4-2 lobbies or one 5-1 gets you back above 2400

[neat dove]

thanks!

[karmic summit]

i am tilted beyond repair for a while

the 5 evoker lobby destroyed my mental stability

[outer sky]

fuck man, just knock it out. Tom Petty was right about what the hardest part is

[karmic summit]

yep i am playing minecraft and farming

[outer sky]

I had to fight this last night

[neat dove]

lmao

i mean kinda neat, they all use forebearance

[outer sky]

you have 30 seconds to land a kill and those 30 seconds are filled with sac

[neat dove]

gotta use that 30sec window after youve already forced one of their 9 abilities 😄

[outer sky]

even if you multi stun, they have 2 sancs

[surreal barn]

In that song I replaced part with fart during a karaoke sesh

Highly recommend

[plucky escarp]

Any big secrets to playing unholy/assa In 3s? I feel like we just pumped the whole game without much set up

[surreal barn]

The healer can always be a target

[twin burrow]

@outer sky coming down is the hardest part. Learning to fly.

Nice reference

[outer sky]

after the DKs go is over you have to run away and pillar until the next set of stun DRs. Assa always plays hit and run but a DK doesnt have the ability to peel for you like a mage or warlock can so you have to be really proactive about it. When your pressure lets up or you force enough CDs dont be greedy just dip out of there and let the DK try and slow them and mitigate their go.

[plucky escarp]

Ah yeah. I play with an SP so I think in 100 games I have been targeted 3 times lol

They just train him relentlessly

[sick wasp]

solid 👌

u playing with someone specific 2s

[jolly sierra]

dude got kicked from an ahune party cuz i ate the blame for an inept druid who q as healer and was fighting in feral bruh

[sick wasp]

[jolly sierra]

whispered the tank and told me no idea what happened

[sick wasp]

no one has any ''idea'' until its them trust me

😉

keep it rolling,the only way

[jolly sierra]

just did one, got a tank cloak lol

[jolly sierra]

got the cloak after like 2 hours lol

[sick wasp]

hows the gold farming going,gear is kinda irrelevant

did half a token yday

played 3 hours

im buying that mfker today

[outer sky]

not really

[sick wasp]

i sympathize then

wont try to pug my way to 2.3-2.4 again

im already trying to find a team for my hpally and its the 1st season ive ever try to heal

pugging is miserable

[surreal barn]

it is

but whenever I choose someone specific our schedules are completely different or they quit 😂

solo is da whey

[jolly sierra]

lvl 84 xdddd

[sick wasp]

my hunter already lvl 81

u r slow

ill be making a token every 2 days

by mid july i will forget for a year and a half what sub looks like

[jolly sierra]

ye, too much BS it happens here

[sick wasp]

cata is so easy man 😄

i know it rly good but ye,not much happening

rep into dungeons into raids

u might skip pvp and just play 1 - 2 hours a day

ezclap

im getting like 5 days off from 8-13 jully

gonna no life it

[grave basin]

man this remix "Store all exp in mailbox" trick is insane

alrdy got my orc ww and gnome war to max in no time

[surreal barn]

Yup. 2 hours max

Imma do a DH and shaman when I get back to town thursday

The new shaman tree looks pretty cool from what I’ve read

[calm heath]

Cleave is the strat. Go ranged, let melee come to you, and grip the healer in for a blind/stun/garrote silence rotation during your goes. The comp is all about maximizing AoE cleave damage and deathgrip goes with CC and damage cooldowns. Play with a pres evoker. I can count on one hand the amount of times I pillared for defense during my games. It's a TSG type of team so maximizing offense is the strat.

And be prepared to lose to shadowplay and some wizard cleave teams

[plucky escarp]

I am always prepared to lose to Splay teams.

[outer sky]

I wish there were more arena guides on things besides just doing damage

like how and when to CC and use defensives

[plucky escarp]

Skillcapped has guides on these things. My friend got a sub and I checked some of it out. I would say it was like a solid 7 out of 10 in usefulness.

But I think if you’ve played hundreds or thousands of arena games there just isn’t much value

[twin burrow]

What's the exp trick?

I got skill capped recently for the UI package. I was surprised the info was good. I'm new to the rework assa and I actually did gain a few hundred rating pretty quick lol. Was only 1700 but felt unmotivated. Did my UI, watched some vids, hit the dummy and after two sessions was 2k

[jolly sierra]

EU fights be like

[surreal barn]

Lmfao

[outer sky]

Maybe trolling here but has anyone tried numbing poison into caster cleave?

[steel scarab]

I've tried it with DTB but taking DTB sucks

I don't think I'd ever take Numbing over Crippling if I had to choose

[outer sky]

im thinking maybe playing into caster comps if you have a DK on your team.

[steel scarab]

Edit: DTB doesn't suck, what sucks is the opportunity cost of losing either Scent of Blood or Zoldyck in order to get to DTB, when Poison Bomb is absolutely worthless in pvp since Envenom is nearly worthless in pvp

Yeah maybe if the DK applies a constant slow it could work, dunno, I've never played with a dk

[outer sky]

or even a frost mage

nevermind

numbing is nerfed 50% in pvp

which is ridiculous

at least make it a viable choice

[grave basin]

Do heroics till 25 then mogushan normal

Then at 35 do heart of fear and more heroics till 40 then terrace

Do not loot a single exp token and let it all go to your mailbox

There's a WA that shows you how many exp tokens you need to ding 70 and if you do everything correctly by 42ish you should have enough

[jolly sierra]

ah yeah

[grave basin]

Then you open all the exp tokens all at once

[jolly sierra]

u must ignore the exp drops from bosses

or just ignore everything and go to the mail later

[grave basin]

The good thing is that you get pretty good bronze too

https://www.wowhead.com/news/the-war-within-beta-development-notes-july-2nd-many-more-class-changes-344113

New notes are up rogue sisters

[gleaming pawn]

the aura buffs are the ones from last week

only new stuff is some tooltip changes

[grave basin]

Looks like new tunings ?

[jolly sierra]

weps ensembles when

[grave basin]

The following talents have been removed:
Chrono Shift

They did it

Toxic as fuck talent

[outer sky]

Rogues are looking pretty shit in TWW right now, arent they?

[grave basin]

Looks like they're done with the design phase

And onto tuning phase

[outer sky]

I thought the tuning phase was season 1

[grave basin]

I mean the pipeline of alpha to beta (design) to prepatch tuning

So it's clear that the Devs aren't going to massively change any design stuff and will focus on making sure tuning is done before S1

Then in S1 they will have more data to tune and will keep tuning aggressively

[stoic spruce]

Nah, rogue is never bad.

[grave basin]

True

[stoic spruce]

Does it play good?

[grave basin]

They skipped us cause we're perfect

[stoic spruce]

Now

That's different

[grave basin]

This isn't gonna change till probably s2

Only numbers going up and down from here

[stoic spruce]

Yeah it'll be a while

[halcyon timber]

Yes just people kicking and screaming about silly stuff as usual.

[stoic spruce]

I like it personally

Though double vanish is hella cringe

[twin burrow]

Thanks for sharing exp trick @grave basin

[halcyon timber]

It’s not, this isn’t 2004. Other classes are gaining good tools. Rogue did too.

[grave basin]

Using pure utility as damage cd is cringe

I think most players regardless of class agree on this

Like using trap + flare for damage

[halcyon timber]

Well its up to the devs, they are damned if they do and damned if not and people use cute little terms instead of communicating like adults regardless.

Big ol balance equation

[grave basin]

They have received this feedback since shadowdust became required

And they're doubling down

[halcyon timber]

They weren’t going to return prep so dunno. Preparation was highly requested for years and this is what they settled on. Hivemind can chill out.

And existing solely in cds continues so we are land locked regardless of who or what says

[stoic spruce]

I don't want to fight even more rogues with double vanish

It's so aids

[halcyon timber]

Well they aren’t going back to sinister strike spam 2004

Sorry your not a fury warrior . Welcome to being a rogue doing rogue stuff man

[stoic spruce]

But this is vanish

[grave basin]

That has nothing to do with forcing utility as damage CDs?

[stoic spruce]

Idc about SS spam atm

[halcyon timber]

Yeah it’s whatever man

[grave basin]

It directly desyncs all of subs cds

So it's kinda not whatever

And it's also in the class tree so it's doubling down on stealth mechanics for assa and outlaw

[halcyon timber]

Yeah and rogues doing rogue stuff stays. They aren’t going to de couple it regardless of what people say

They made their decision

[stoic spruce]

"Rogue stuff" doesn't equate to Tank levels of annoyance in arena

[grave basin]

Yea it's a dumb decision which has mostly negative feedback

[halcyon timber]

Nah man . We arenmade to sit and tank hits.

Aren’t *

[stoic spruce]

Bro lol

[grave basin]

Friend

That has nothing to do with the topic

[halcyon timber]

Being a fast tricky mf is what we are doing

[grave basin]

And on this outlaw is meant to be a brawler

[stoic spruce]

We can have rogue stuff without double vanish.

[halcyon timber]

Dunno Az, they decided it isn’t going to

[stoic spruce]

It really feels like a cop out

[halcyon timber]

Too close to warrior and yadda

[stoic spruce]

An easy way out

[halcyon timber]

It was a replacement for dance and i dunno man.

[grave basin]

Stealth enabling mechanics aren't bad

But it's like the entire backbone of all 3 specs

[halcyon timber]

Since outlaw and assass always want to gripe about subtlety

So they shared another thing which is cool

Solved a continued request of assassination at the same time so /shrug

[grave basin]

It actually took away from subs niche

[halcyon timber]

Could care less

[grave basin]

So when outlaw and Assa has the same strength , sub just gets irrelevant

[halcyon timber]

We do our own thing

[grave basin]

That's not how the game works

If Assa is in the state it's in

Sub is basically dead on arrival

[halcyon timber]

That’s cool man

Up to the devs

May fairness and balance work out well. They don’t sit around and go “who can we screw up today”

[grave basin]

I'm simply echoing feedback that's been stated since the rework

And nothing has changed despite overwhelming feedback of the same thing

So it's up to the Devs to just ignore us I guess

[stoic spruce]

What flavor of sub are we playing today bois?

[grave basin]

The assa flavour

[stoic spruce]

Mmmm

Deathstaker go brrr

[halcyon timber]

Just instigative as always popo

[stoic spruce]

How am I instigative?

[halcyon timber]

Little pokes and prods is why , still love ya man

[stoic spruce]

Coming for you

With, on, w/e

[halcyon timber]

Theres a lotta people who don’t hang out in this discord and many voices who also have feedback. The hivemind mentality doesn’t speak for everyone and the devs shoot for what they deem is fair and balanced regardless of who agrees with what.

Yeah i gotcha man . Still a funny guy and a good guy

Remind me of my cousins in a lot of ways heh

[jolly sierra]

@sick wasp just went to a HC party and got kicked for being 330 ilvl bruh

[calm heath]

Eridian I always get the impression I never truly understand wtf you are talking about

[sick wasp]

i just carry all my groups they die on every pull there is

even as a tank i do twice their dmg anyway

[jolly sierra]

got kicked alongside a tank

should i requeue again?

[sick wasp]

always reque

whats there to fear

[jolly sierra]

got it

[sick wasp]

just spam que and do dialies in the meantime

thats all

[jolly sierra]

maybe ill tell "hi guys have me patience pls i barely passed the ilvl to queue HC"

[jolly sierra]

which dailies exactly?

[sick wasp]

check a guide for the rogue gear and stuff but u should do everything

ive started with deepholm and earthen ring but im spaming baradin hold and wildhammer now

alot more gold

[jolly sierra]

seems like ill do the same

dragonmaw gave me a lot of dailies

[sick wasp]

there is no dragonmaw

thats wildhammer

anyway

the fastest dailies and most gold are wardens(baradin hold)

its 18 dailies

u can do a max of 25 a day

[jolly sierra]

kk

[sick wasp]

oh u are horde wildhammer clan must be the dragonmaw

okok past that anyway

[outer sky]

dont you just love it when you have a big go about to happen and some idiot triple DR stuns your kill target just before the stun DR is about to fall off?

I swear if brains were dynamite most WoW players wouldnt have enough to blow their noses

The amount of games ive lost to that shit is unimaginable

like did you REALLY need to cap totem right there?

what did it accomplish?

nothing but get us killed

fuck

[potent pivot]

i'm stealing this

[jolly sierra]

told them to have patience

allowed me to stay

got bracers and trinket

lol

[sick wasp]

i write them down,keep their names

if i see them anywhere on an alt doing world quests n stuff i slaughter them

gives me satisfaction

its legit a 3rd of the games we lose to that

[outer sky]

yep

[sick wasp]

thats why pugging is miserable

[outer sky]

non-rogues dont understand how vital that stun DR is to us

[sick wasp]

yeah especially dhs throw their stupid 3sec stun,condemns the game

there is a reason why the rogue ALWAYS calls the stuns and CC

and ofc why ppl will never see high rated 3s

shuffle is stupid

[outer sky]

mhmm

[sick wasp]

barely pvp

[nova viper]

@jolly sierra seeexo

[jolly sierra]

SEXOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[stoic spruce]

Sharks

[sick wasp]

[grave basin]

This is triggering my ptsd

The best thing is that they actually think it's beneficial to do so

[sick wasp]

the reason i hate playing with dhs all that much is that they dont think at all it might be wrong

like maybe someone else has a stronger cc to land

no sir

just send

f@ck thinking

[grave basin]

I love it on my hunter as well

When they use the piss imprison

Now I can't trap

[sick wasp]

im getting mad when im preping my dance-go and blind

the first thing the assholes do is break my blind

ive removed alot of ppl from my team for doing it in the past

if u cant understand what blind is

u cant play with me

its that simple

[stray fog]

I can't find any rogue pvp war within content

Anyone know a streamer?

Small or big idm

[grave basin]

Because no one plays rogue in ww beta

Jfarm has some YouTube vids on it

[potent pivot]

i think palumor did a video before rogue got buffed on beta, but you're going to be pretty hard pressed finding much pvp specific stuff from beta

[surreal barn]

That’s kind of the beauty of beta though

Testing out stuff to see what’s best

One thing is for sure though - at least for me - the new rogue sets are my favorite they’ve ever done

This will be the first time I do PVE on them since legion

[clever elk]

week starting strong 🙂

[potent pivot]

[nova viper]

hunter doesn't count

[clever elk]

Its SV atleast

[nova viper]

Oh

Nvm

u are good player

[clever elk]

Haha bombs go brr

[vocal plover]

what is the best way to improve at arena? i do okay in solo shuffle, but never have much success in 3s

[potent pivot]

the biggest way is by just playing. can check out some YT videos and watch streamers play to kinda see how they go about things.

learning what every class in the game does and how to react to what they do is pretty big

getting rating in shuffle is a lot easier than 3s

[vocal plover]

thanks. any recs for streamers/youtubers who play sin?