You could have 0 CDs left and could still auto-attack the melee to apply crippling to help peel
#pvp
dapper chasm
Hell, I've had nothing left and still shived the healer who was on the other side of the map
harsh steppe
yeah not knowing what to do is when i panic but i didn’t think about crippling or just checking on trinkets
i will do that and also delete a few WAs i don’t pay attention to anyways
harsh steppe
yeah that was to memorize my basic burst rotation but i have it memorized now i could move that around too good point ty
harsh steppe
damn you look cool af
i like those bloody bandages aha
dapper chasm
yeah not knowing what to do is when i panic but i didn’t think about crippling o...
Without a doubt, correct and constant crippling application is critical
When I "got gud" was realising how these smaller debuffs can completely swing the game
Anyone can pump a burst combo into a defensive and do a few mill at the end of a round
harsh steppe
yah just hit 1200 ez with y'alls tips in an hour wow
dapper chasm
(best rogue advice of all time)
"Heh, I carried this rogue by getting the enemy kill - where even was he? He and the rest of the enemy team were just gone"
neat dove
wait i just heard something and want to confirm its true before i do stupid stuff
When you buy a conquest gear item, lets say gloves, and turn them into the set gloves, do the set gloves still go up to itemlvl 528 in arena?
dapper chasm
Yep
neat dove
damn thanks this changes a lot
at least conquest is uncapped now
so me not getting any 528 tier piece doesnt matter as much
neat dove
"Heh, I carried this rogue by getting the enemy kill - where even was he? He and...
only works if you win, when you lose its "wheres the cc"
oh you didnt notice my ~30sec cc chain?
dapper chasm
only works if you win, when you lose its "wheres the cc"
oh you didnt notice my...
You fucked up
If you did a 30 sec CC chain with your partner not noticing
I swear, shuffle is just a carrying skillset
neat dove
nah its solo shuffle in 1400-1600 range everyone is blind
dapper chasm
Yeah, gotta lead the blind
Every single 3-3 game I've had, I think "What could have gone different"
Sometimes you gotta ignore the "correct" target because your partner is
The only true issue I have is with bots tbh
surreal barn
you sure they are bots
dapper chasm
I've seen 2 I was certain about
The rest is a nice excuse to have in the back pocket, but you never know
Back in the day, we'd say arena was 90% positioning, it seems that's totally gone now too
surreal barn
true, there was tough to beat ele bot floating around
dapper chasm
Some whole classes get fucked by a pillar
surreal barn
but im sure there are more
dapper chasm
But why does the monk stand in the middle against a hunter/lock?
What do his monk eyes see?
wintry dew
Fistweavers
dapper chasm
I don't know what that is
gleaming pawn
Fistweaver is a type of healing monk where all of their healing comes from punching and kicking things in the face, so they have to be in melee range to do anything
dapper chasm
My man was no healer
sick wasp
💀
the life of a healer in shuffle
get cloned/stunned/feared/dps los you
very fun
waxen meteor
get cloned/stunned/feared/dps los you
price of instant queue
sick wasp
<:OMEGAKEKW:829051106361344021> price of instant queue
its more like 7-8min now
well at least like 30min ago,ive logged out
cursed lobbies
i cba into double SP/Mage
cant do sht
anyone who says hpallies suck btw
or bad or anything
no fukin clue
surreal barn
The will to queue and cap these vaults is disappearing
sick wasp
i dont mind tbh its jsut some lobbies that are completely cancer
and u know
i could play those,ppl also doing random stupid sht that make them even more miserable
waxen meteor
anyone who says hpallies suck btw
I think they indeed suck tbh
You hardly even see hpal in solo
Pff one of the reasons sin is good
sick wasp
You hardly even see hpal in solo
coz there are stronger healers in the current meta
hpallies are fiiiine
they dont rly suck,they are weaker than dragons jumping around doing weird sht
waxen meteor
I saw this by a r1 hpal in discord
I am not good at healer but it feels fairly the same as how I feel
sick wasp
idk im currently on swamp cr tbh but it doesnt feel weak when it comes to heal
surreal barn
they dont rly suck,they are weaker than dragons jumping around doing weird sht
I wanna bring my dragon over from panda land so bad lol
waxen meteor
My personal feeling is
surreal barn
After experiencing their kit it is so fun
sick wasp
hpally is prime for training ye
waxen meteor
As sin or as DH you can almost single train them
sick wasp
but i feel like im tanking okay-ish
but judging from the morons that try to run me down
u might have a point
the DHs running me down open with hunt and then they get stunned,trinket into incap
and i run away
waxen meteor
If DH picks isolation for 5s stun, 100% crit aura and 30% more dmg eye beam , I don’t know how hpal survive if teammate doesn’t peal
If bite for kick didn’t work and get kicked it’s bubble
Repeat, dead
Physical immune basically doesn’t work against DH since DH has offensive dispel 
sick wasp
pallies can easily sustain themselves with wall and prism and hshock
waxen meteor
Yeah but it’s not enough against DH
tough spruce
Weakaura for essence break helps
tough spruce
You cant stop their damage but u can stop their burst
waxen meteor
Essence break is one of most visual skill in game
sick wasp
there are answers for alot of stuff
waxen meteor
You can rely on your eyes
sick wasp
but u ofc need help
im actually more comfortable getting trained rather than having morons los me and die like dogs
waxen meteor
It’s really really hard for hpal against DH solo
sick wasp
behind pillars
waxen meteor
It’s also kinda awkward cause bop is useless against mage team
Probably in general against casters
Which is one of hpal main CDs
surreal barn
@pale storm check out Narassin’s Soul Gem and then Spring Florist’s Pouch
You turn their body into a rock and then it plants a flower on their dead body
worthy crag
these datamined deathstalker hero tree looks pretty nice
gleaming pawn
@wintry dew let the dooming begin
jolly sierra
lets see this shit
im into this
DFA intensifies
bait and switch 100% here
its a very good tree compared to fatebound
lucid citrus
I like this tree better than the others so far
jolly sierra
yep
its very simplistic in paper
and has very little gimmicks
im 100% sure im leaning to this in TWW
lucid citrus
oh yeah forsure compared to the other two
gleaming pawn
its very simplistic in paper
You say simplistic, I say uninspired mush. But at least the mechanics aren’t overly complex
jolly sierra
You say simplistic, I say uninspired mush. But at least the mechanics aren’t ove...
tbh too complex shit at least for me its very hard to balance
so basically specs become hit or miss after nerfing some of this stuff like ER
in SL
lucid citrus
I wonder what;s the CD of consuming a deathstalker's marked
wintry dew
i dont think there's a cd
jolly sierra
i think is loopable
lucid citrus
that's crazy
jolly sierra
they seems to buff it for next XP
sounds like wod one
just needs the aoe dmg and its almost the same
sounds like ppl will lean more to blindside now
lucid citrus
makes sense to apply the mark
jolly sierra
i wonder if vicious venoms will be used w this build
jolly sierra
So like, it looks like the mark stays forever?
nah i think will be a timed debuff
surreal barn
Idk, look at darkest night
jolly sierra
for me the only real flaw from this is this wording
lucid citrus
yeah cause what if the free proc from blindside doesnt apply deathstalker's mark
cause it's not from stealth
surreal barn
Then lame
lucid citrus
i mean we get two vanishs now lol
jolly sierra
ye but vs shadow dance available every 1m
oof
no dude i rlly want shadow dance back
surreal barn
lol id rather it than deathmark
lucid citrus
i agree
surreal barn
POS ass deathmark
Will be funny if everyone can just remove deathstalkers mark
lololol
jolly sierra
yeeee
lucid citrus
I wish i had ptr so i can test this tree out
gleaming pawn
for more dooming
You know it’s a big problem when even Whispyr is dooming
wintry dew
YEP
surreal barn
lul
wintry dew
I was reading chat
surreal barn
Should we go fuel the fire
lucid citrus
probably going to go ER in assa to do more envenom
jolly sierra
Should we go fuel the fire
good luck, im banished there
jolly sierra
probably going to go ER in assa to do more envenom
ER + DFA + amp if talented = big OOF
lucid citrus
yuupp
tribal badger
am i missing something or, why would you need blindside procced ambush to cause marks
you have an endless supply of marks after ur opener
jolly sierra
am i missing something or, why would you need blindside procced ambush to cause ...
u dont, u are forced to open w ambush to get the 1st proc
tribal badger
the capstone makes it so whenever you finish consuming them your next full cp finisher will apply 3 marks to its target
yes, you need to ambush 1 time from stealth
to start the loop
but how would you have blindside for that
its the very start of combat
surreal barn
There is a way to not flip coins or apply deathstalker marks
But the DH discords are kinda lame
surreal barn
yep
tribal badger
sure, whats the problem with that
spring bough
Is this season inflated? 44-40 on my hunter in solo and over 2k rating already 😂
surreal barn
He lives
Back from SoD I see
Yeah I did the same on my hunter. It’s inflated but MM is kinda an easy climb rn
spring bough
I got the bow from rewards. About to raid it up and max it to 535 and pvp with it
Stacking atk speed increase and 7 ilvls over pvp wep should be nice
surreal barn
Yeah, but even the gladiator one pops people
spring bough
Had a match earlier that lasted not even a minute. Think I hit almost 200k dps lol. Rogues retired until war within 😂
Plus this trading post armor mog for the unrelenting justice probably the best set hunters ever had for looks lol
steel scarab
What's plague damage?
gleaming pawn
Poison + Shadow
steel scarab
Intriguing!
dapper chasm
PvE gear goes up to 535?
wintry dew
PvE gear goes up to 535?
only some rare items, nothing special for us rogues
dapper chasm
No daggers or anything?
wintry dew
Negative
wintry dew
then my negative is correct
gleaming pawn
For those looking for more in-depth look at the tree from the pve side https://youtu.be/8TLB30c71lo?feature=shared
potent pivot
For those looking for more in-depth look at the tree from the pve side https://y...
that shit sounds so terrible
my god
wintry dew
Whispyr dooming = lost cause (its a joke)
But its still ALPHA, i bet a lot will change
gleaming pawn
Yep design wise it’s so bad
potent pivot
that tree won't make you pick 1 single different talent on your other trees
halcyon timber
<@134060907603951616> is our only hope
Eh?
surreal barn
Deathstalker is out
halcyon timber
Its fun just tested it after school
Lots of compounding stuff without hijacking your talents
surreal barn
How long is the mark
halcyon timber
Some people want meme shit but the tree is pretty nasty in practice
The mark lasts for like 20sec and stacks up from subterfuge and keeps stacking
halcyon timber
Consuming it with 5 pts or higher adds a blast like the edge of night stuff the other channel kept belly aching about but it isn’t nutso
Can crit and counts off your amps
Assass can keep it up pretty easy now they acquired our without a trace .
Didn’t test assass for blindside 1 sec
surreal barn
That’s not easy to keep up imo
halcyon timber
Don’t think anyone’s trees are “supposed” to be constantly up
One sec checking assass for your question
spring bough
I’m wondering how that feint tree will do with outlaw. Have it up close to a 100%. Think it will be tanky as hell plus the added dmg from it helps w having to press it so often
halcyon timber
It will be fine, there will be a risk vs reward and that is up to the rogue to responsibly manage themselves and make good decisions
I dig trickster contrary to the unnecessary dooming. If they don’t change it off feint then so be it. Lots of crap can happen if it was attached to shiv and yadda yadda. Prob should stay on feint unless thousand cuts was improved to how it was on first alpha build
potent pivot
Don’t think anyone’s trees are “supposed” to be constantly up
sub can keep it up 100% of the time and not utilize the capstone, assa has the opposite issue
surreal barn
Exactly
potent pivot
as far as i can tell
surreal barn
Shiv needs to add it for assa
potent pivot
feels like it was designed for assa when it could Dance or something idk
halcyon timber
It is 30seconde
For the desthstalker mark and it refreshes on stacks
And applies to all ambushes for assassination
potent pivot
ye but once you use both of your vanishes you've got nothin
besides procs
and in pvp you're not gonna use vanish to ambush
halcyon timber
Wait a sec, blindside does not . So it is true stealth or vanish for now unless they see fit
The 3% damage talent is pretty nasty and the rupture talent stacking is effective
Stacks 10x does hefty damage and all amps for both affect it
Agreed, same time that is up to the devs to change it. They separated church and state and that is fine. Its back to encouraging restealths or adding another trigger for assass. Blindside would wagon wheel them into a talent and they gotta avoid doing that .
potent pivot
why do they need to avoid that
i want to use talents that haven't seen play in a long time personally
that's kinda how you shake things up
halcyon timber
Because that was one of their original goals and that is a choice of the rogue to make
Make it work in different ways yeah agreed, that is up to them . People can roll blindside if they want to , nothing stops them other than fixating on game 2 when the devs made game 1. Difficult situation as it comes down to, did they budget for assass to access it more frequently or did they bank on them combing other sources of damage to not rely on it as much. Agreed though
potent pivot
Idk, personally I dislike the design of the tree either way atm
halcyon timber
Depends what the devs made as a damage budget but mechanically yes that makes sense
potent pivot
The first and last nodes especially
halcyon timber
Not everything is going to be a greatest hit
potent pivot
But if one of the side nodes makes you pick a certain talent, I think that’d be good
Just choose not to use that node if you don’t like the talent it empowers etc
halcyon timber
Power comes from spec side, hero is for amping all around based on your decisions without causing dramatic shifts.
A “nudge” cumulatively instead of a drastic swing. There’s a lot here that can really really do some filthy hits without causing unnecessary increased talent friction.
@waxen meteor yes cloak is 5s still and the talent increases duration to 7s.
@surreal barn max is 9stacks btw of the mark. Encouraged to spend them frequently and the last talent gives you a surge of energy + pair with symbolic victory and you do proper dfa damage (40%)
potent pivot
The main thing I like in the tree is the DRs added to evasion and cloak
halcyon timber
Yeah reminds me of old cloak glyph
Think it was wrath , been forever
The auto attack talent actually does some nice little bonus damage cumulatively and and the mut / bs amps are actually pretty good when you talent in diff ways. Good positive feedback loop at least.
halcyon timber
Will be funny if everyone can just remove deathstalkers mark
Works like find weakness, so only like bop and shit
halcyon timber
sub can keep it up 100% of the time and not utilize the capstone, assa has the o...
Agreed, will come down to what intent is mechanically for assassination. (Blindside is prob not hooked up / bugged regarding that). I threw that note on feedback from you guys who actually play assassination.
Also asked for more rogues to be invited.
halcyon timber
they seems to buff it for next XP
Yes and it all works together for deathstalker. Trickster does not double dip with CDG and DFA as evisc/ dispatch is morphed into CDG. (Honestly prefer it that way for freedom of choice). Crit strikes were mathematically the same as well given x amps and stuff. So that is good.
waxen meteor
Just read the new talent, it’s a lot linked to numbers that will eventually determine if it will be good
Already smell some nerf
halcyon timber
Agreed lots of pieces
halcyon timber
Yeah it functions pretty well.
waxen meteor
Lucky if it’s 15% after 1 week of 11.0 live
halcyon timber
Didn’t notice if both parts of evisc did crit but physical always did
Dunno as 15% metagem will cut it hard
waxen meteor
I would love to see evenom starts to do some dmg
halcyon timber
Plus everyones new dr and reworks
waxen meteor
Plus everyones new dr and reworks
What is new DR
halcyon timber
I hit a 580k envenom for context
waxen meteor
I mean maybe just English problem, is this DR referring to Diminishing Return
halcyon timber
15% meta gem everyone will likely pick vs precog gem
waxen meteor
Or sth different here
halcyon timber
Damage reduction
waxen meteor
Oh I see
halcyon timber
Plus feint as an example for 35%
Combined and new cloak talent for 20%
Dunno , lots of other classes gained a lotta dr / shields/ othet stuff where it will probably be tuned to even out. Pvp tuning has happened as well.
waxen meteor
Will see
surreal barn
The main thing I like in the tree is the DRs added to evasion and cloak
Wonder if it stacks with the feint talent
halcyon timber
Maybe, maybe not as it may be a batched “what was strongest dr at the time x hit the rogue”
Might just be cloak takes priority depending on the source of damage thus saving elusiveness charge. Can’t test it atm though
halcyon timber
Yeah as always
waxen meteor
Don’t get hyped
halcyon timber
I don’t get hyped and i expect reasonable tuning. Not hehe 1 shot or we are bad if not hehe
Warriors randomly gaining second wind and stuff will be powerful
And metagem will also be strong, not including armor class, team / personal drs etc..
surreal barn
Oh damn
steel scarab
Yeah thanks SS I'll play against 2 havocs and a ret, sounds super fun
waxen meteor
Haha I am too old to follow other classes
halcyon timber
They randomly gain it in colossus as a choice node when taking dmg
waxen meteor
I am going to be rogue + whatever class that is OP or getting orange gear
halcyon timber
Dh became more of a meteor . Just aoe dmg to everyone and ret
halcyon timber
Yeah they are just a big meteor on alpha . Put their behind in the ground fast or you are screwed.
- Monk also heals a lot, deals a lot of damage, is probably more mobile than dh and is very hard to catch. ( prob hits the hardest next to ret)
- rogue feels somewhere in the upper middle.
- Warrior is pretty dang durable and Dk and they both chunk pretty hard.
- Shaman and druids def hybrid heal a lot and can whoop your butt if you’re not careful (ive been running around in war mode a lot)
If people actually use their buttons instead of huffing home depot paint, classes feel pretty even on alpha (feels like cataclysm/ mop in a way)
steel scarab
Is Elemental Lariat nerfed in PVP?
surreal barn
Yes
steel scarab
I guess I just make a second BSL then?
Was thinking the neckpiece, the Torc of Passed Time
surreal barn
Yeah
steel scarab
aye, will give it a shot. thanks
grave basin
If people actually use their buttons instead of huffing home depot paint, class...
Numbers aren't closed to being tuned yet though
Also there's no dampening with duels
halcyon timber
Numbers aren't closed to being tuned yet though
Agreed things are always subject to tuning man
grave basin
How do we feel about death stalker
Feels like the entire tree just reads exactly the same
Your X now does plague damage
halcyon timber
I played it for a bit but need more time with it. In combat, it feels like a snowball with the plague damage (shadow nature dmg). As time goes on, the snowball gains mass and can take out a house if given enough room. It has a snappy punch effect in several ways that are customizable to the rogue given their choice of specialization talents chosen. Lots of room for creative usage on things limited to the rogue’s thought process.
grave basin
Sub doesn't really have time to let things ramp though
The 60 energy seems weird too
halcyon timber
Agreed however in the thick of things, on demand talents such as symbolic victory and planning around Darkest night are going to be how we get use out of it.
grave basin
You'll get it when the person it in full stun Dr or when you have no more dance
How does the entire thing no utilise shadow dance once ?
We should be getting energy during or right before it to pool not after our go is over
Also doesn't interact with garrote at all for assas
🤌
halcyon timber
That goes back to not making something the main hero and taking over a spec.
grave basin
Then you risk trying to be doing too many things at once and failing at all of em
halcyon timber
The energy after and the amp “could” be used into a second dance and dfa . Lots of what ifs though
Not meant to be a 321 hehe
Type deal
Not making a wod dfa here but finality /shiv/ amp psn / zoldyck etc and other stuff tacked on could make a very mean evisc/ envenom
waxen meteor
80 games, SP 2075 lol
including first 20 games completely not knowing what i was doing, and with s2 talent pff
grave basin
How sore is your bussy
waxen meteor
honestly not that sore
but obviously if healer is a sub200 rating one it's miserable
grave basin
I've had back to back healer diff lobbies before panda remix
Was rough
Kinda just letting mmr inflate while I collect bronze in this meme version of worlowolo
waxen meteor
it's kinda already inflated
grave basin
Ye but I'm so casual I'm not even 70 yet lol
Got my 2x shadow pan set/3x dark shaman set and now going for sha of anger mount then finally pig sticker
waxen meteor
@jolly sierra if you level normally via quests and some dungeon, will you get enough coins for toys/mog?
grave basin
I did that and landed around 30k coins
On my hunter
Currently at 64 and got 36k banked with about 12k spent
jolly sierra
<@239851547935113216> if you level normally via quests and some dungeon, will yo...
ye
grave basin
I only completed two zones fully with the tour of X achievement
jolly sierra
just dont upgrade stuff unless is w discount
grave basin
Don't upgrade anything while leveling tbh
jolly sierra
how tf a nm is so long
see? it costs like shit
u just need to lot shit from dungeons
grave basin
how tf a nm is so long
Wipe after wipe
Fun fact, if you use the ward of salvation meta gem and garrosh MCs you
He gets healed to 100%
Happened yestd to my group
Also the raid itself is just way too big
Like 13 bosses for a fresh run
waxen meteor
ye
alright then i will just slowly level up then
there's no need to do raid or sth if my only goal is for mog/toys right?
jolly sierra
Wipe after wipe
god dammit
jolly sierra
there's no need to do raid or sth if my only goal is for mog/toys right?
nah
unless u wanna garrosh heirlooms
grave basin
there's no need to do raid or sth if my only goal is for mog/toys right?
No need especially after they buffed the bronze from caches
Just do your daily dungeon/scenario/lfr
By the time you're 70 you should have close to 100k bronze
I mean you need around 1.6m to buy EVERYTHING
So depends on your goals
steel scarab
@surreal barn is it possible to wear two pieces of upgraded bullion gear in pvp?
waxen meteor
<@210567247503032320> is it possible to wear two pieces of upgraded bullion gear...
Yeah
You can wear as many as you want
steel scarab
That seems unhinged
waxen meteor
Yeah but that weapon anyway isn’t that good
waxen meteor
Rare special effect for single hit dmg
gilded gulch
like theres a vers mast dagger in raid which is nice
grave basin
Do rogues even use the fire ring ?
sick wasp
yeah
but idk,i feel like its limited triggers for it
if it procs it procs
unless u are into shadowflame embelishment tech and random proc it
gleaming pawn
There could not be a worse mount, let alone for pvp
The mog stuff like enchant getting lowered makes sense when you look at the forums and Reddit of people complaining about needing to get high rating to get that season’s special cosmetics
wintry dew
I honestly wouldn't mind it since I'm a fucking casual
gleaming pawn
Bumping the cloak to 2100 though makes zero sense
wintry dew
1800 to 1950 is a way easier grind than 1800-2100
wintry dew
Bumping the cloak to 2100 though makes zero sense
Wasn't the cloak at 2.1 anyway? Or was it 2k?
gleaming pawn
Was there a separate cloak appearance besides the one that is part of the elite set?
If not, you’ll now have to get 2100 to get the set completed. Which as a filthy casual myself, is garbage
But if it’s some other special cloak in addition to the normal elite set then I couldn’t be bothered to care what rating it is
wintry dew
But if it’s some other special cloak in addition to the normal elite set then I ...
It's a different one. I know because I got the S1 cloak but can't recall if it was 2k or 2.1
grave basin
Diff cloak
Elite weapon was 2.1 in SL
That makes more sense than dog ass cloak at 2.1
dapper chasm
I love how I can AFK queue this game, but even doing 5-10 games a day, shuffle is freakin slow
So many 3-3 games with a 0-6 healer
And you push hard on that last game with the 0-5 healer, but he's given up on life
And let's not forget the cherry on top - games where someone is on your team twice and loses. You don't mind because you know it'll be free wins when you face them
- They then leave
The game calculates that your current 0-2 is a good indicator for how the rest would have gone and slaps a nice -points on you
wintry dew
You stop when you reach at least 2400
wintry dew
https://tenor.com/view/fly-insect-bug-evil-plot-gif-5650927
How's the climb?
harsh steppe
How's the climb?
great! got to 1200 yesterday after all the great tips! already seeing huge improvement
dapper chasm
Amazing, I was complaining about 0-6 healer games and on the last match, our shaman alt-f4s
-32 for that
Just died at the gate like a dog
Holy shit, I looked at the screenshot again
The shaman GAINED rating
wanton breach
The shaman GAINED rating
well you will aways gain rating if you are far from your CR - even if you lose a lot
grave basin
Rip
dapper chasm
I think I hit a threshold rating where people are generally pretty good but every game will have... Steve
Man, fuck Steve
grave basin
That's cr
dapper chasm
Don't come at me with your letters
grave basin
Mmr goes up as inflation goes up
I think you're around the point of people playing alts/new people in shuffle
So no one has attachment to their rating
They just bail
dapper chasm
So where does that leave the warrior like me?
wintry dew
At 1900
grave basin
Doesn't mean anything to you
You're playing at your skill level
It just so happens to be entry level
wintry dew
You're playing at your skill level
Don't say that he's bad like that
dapper chasm
I think I'm somewhere at 2600-2800
I'm just held back by all these new classes
And moves
grave basin
And letters
dapper chasm
Fuck those too
wintry dew
XD
dapper chasm
Maybe 1900 is just where the great people are?
grave basin
Yea like that great shaman
grave basin
dapper chasm
Or hell, anything
The way I see it, I have 2 goals
Build the best UI
Be the best sub rogue in EU
I worry shuffle might not help with either
harsh steppe
Be the best sub rogue in EU
dapper chasm
Yes, but I have HOPE
grave basin
From what it's worth it looks like the druid was about to go 6 0
And everyone was gonna get 3 3
grave basin
So the shaman shouldn't have left
dapper chasm
Holy shit
dapper chasm
And thus?
grave basin
Maybe some people are just brain-dead
dapper chasm
We have reached the core of my pain
Yes
And those people hold my rating hostage, the rating I base my self worth on
How can I look my kids in the eyes?
grave basin
Tank to 900 cr and just 6 0 every round
dapper chasm
Zanaken doesn't smurf
grave basin
Be the chad your kid wants you to be
dapper chasm
I think I am still hanging at people on my skill level at 2k
Thus 2k is the baseline for skilled players
The logic is firm
tough spruce
I think I am still hanging at people on my skill level at 2k
You're almost top50 sub rogue in europe
Keep going
safe pelican
From what it's worth it looks like the druid was about to go 6 0
Shaman couldn’t let that Druid get that 6-0 he had to complete the mission
safe pelican
dapper chasm
Yes, there were many winners and few losers - only one, in fact
surreal barn
I wonder what it’s like to play with low ms
stoic spruce
It's nice
surreal barn
Yo @tawny kestrel - dwarf or DI dwarf if I had to pick
tawny kestrel
Yo <@196337697512488961> - dwarf or DI dwarf if I had to pick
for what
dwarf is defensive
dark iron is both
surreal barn
rogue, I am making one in this remix
tawny kestrel
ah idk up to you
surreal barn
Does the anti bleed put on a cd for trinket?
tawny kestrel
Does the anti bleed put on a cd for trinket?
ye 30 sec
limber crag
It’s still for pvp later though
Depends which spec too, pvp orc for more Burst or big bleed, but ne better for another reset o avoid cast staff if u can’t kick em
surreal barn
Have an orc
Just using remix as a way to get some more rogues since there is nothing to do
limber crag
Just using remix as a way to get some more rogues since there is nothing to do
True hahahah just pushing 3s or keys
grave basin
im a new man
wintry dew
I was joking due to your profile picture change hehe
grave basin
yea man i cba about hunters in tww
btw royal make sure you kill every world boss
drops hella threads
wintry dew
Yeah I know but I cba, I'm slowly getting the stuff I need
All I need now is the garrosh axe heirloom (will get it today) and more mounts
And HC raids for title
stoic spruce
chat do I sleep or game?
grave basin
will bronze farm itself?
grave basin
i realised that theres no point grinding these achievements first
one full clear of SOO is like 6k bronze
and you get juiced up on threads
and you get tusks
wintry dew
and you get tusks
I wonder if they actually drop from the boss.
stoic spruce
man
ive been feeling so much better ever since I stopped interacting with sub players in wow
how weird is that?
grave basin
@stoic spruce
stoic spruce
hawt
grave basin
yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa buddy just need the pig sticker
dapper chasm
You PvE'rs sicken me
stoic spruce
I thought the same thing until my Main Gauche procced a proc that procs a proc and set off a chain reaction killing boss adds and sending the boss from 78% to 0%
like
each time a mob died, it made an explosion and it stacked. There were about 11 mobs that were stacked on the boss
wintry dew
yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa buddy just need the pig sticker
Both my first big buys
wintry dew
there are a few 38500 mounts
but sha of anger is the hardest one for me to get, thats why i bought it
you might be wondering "but why?"
answer: I can't get what i don't farm
gilded gulch
you might be wondering "but why?"
Because you didn’t exploit the evoker 100% droprate
on df prepatch
wintry dew
Yep exactly
i must have a total kills on Sha below 20
in all chars combined
which doesnt matter
stoic spruce
You have a lot of favorites
waxen meteor
dmg is really high
gleaming pawn
Sadly doing all of that damage and CC doesn’t always mean anything when your team is full of morons and/or you don’t have an MS to make your damage potent
As ret you’re just kinda pumping damage until the healer screws up
waxen meteor
yeah in melee lobbies it's much easier for ret
since most melees have MS
so i just zug
but honestly i am not expecting such dmg gap
gleaming pawn
Do you run 2 piece or 4 piece with the higher damage finishers. I much prefer how 4 piece feels with 1 judgement and bigger TV
gleaming pawn
I swear it gaps people even more than 2 piece NA standard
waxen meteor
but honestly i think it's good to use 4 spender in melee games, when it's against big kiter just stay with 3 spender
gleaming pawn
And the damage I do surprises people a lot more
wintry dew
You have a lot of favorites
You're one of them 
stoic spruce
Dawwwwww
tiny maple
Just switched to Assa. Is the reason why people dont use 4 set because it breaks cc?
or stats?
jolly sierra
tier envenom does very crap damage and forces you to change your gameplay by priorizing that spell
tiny maple
Makes sense thanks
gleaming pawn
It’s so dumb that it’s so heavily nerfed in pvp, and always has been. Because the tier set does a ton of damage in pve
waxen meteor
but i guess after so long it won't be changed anyway
gleaming pawn
And I will die on this hill, if any given spec functions better and does more damage with not using 4 piece, that’s a complete design and balance failure
Like Ret has been argued that going 2 set is best, or even no-set and just full Vers/Mast, and that’s just unacceptable to me
waxen meteor
Makes sense thanks
and also one thing is that we benefit very little from haste/crit
for other specs, haste might not be the best, but it always contributes some
like at least it reduces gcd
tiny maple
Makes sense. Does it break CC? Im still getting fully geared and happens to have 4 set from dabbleing into outlaw in the start of the season
raven trench
are rogues going 2pc or 4pc, sub
tough spruce
are rogues going 2pc or 4pc, sub
Ive been using 2set and prioritizing mastery. But top sub rogues have been using 4set though i dont think its required
normal ledge
Hey guys, can anyone tell me which tinker is being used in eng helmet? I've seen a lot of assa rogues using it, but it doesn't show which tinker is being used
wintry dew
probably mastery
lucid citrus
Tinker doesnt work in arenas or rbgs anyways
normal ledge
Ah I wasn't clear, it's about retail my question, sorry 😅
normal ledge
Tinker doesnt work in arenas or rbgs anyways
Ah ok, didn't know that.. thank you
spring bough
any1 know what BIS pvp pet is for hunter? hunter disc earlier said it isnt undead raptor anymore... but wouldnt say what replaced it lol
ps their pvp channel sucks lol
jolly sierra
any1 know what BIS pvp pet is for hunter? hunter disc earlier said it isnt undea...
its still the undead raptor tf said that hunter
its inmune to saps and shit how is not bis
brisk hinge
Hey, guys. Is it worth using instant poison instead of wound poison as outlaw if there's somebody else with healing reduction?
spring bough
its inmune to saps and shit how is not bis
guess hunter disc trollin
lucid citrus
Hey, guys. Is it worth using instant poison instead of wound poison as outlaw if...
I would assume you would go instant poison since warr has ms
jolly sierra
A pandaren actually
no i wont let myself be tamed
raven trench
Ive been using 2set and prioritizing mastery. But top sub rogues have been using...
Thanks for the info, I appreciate it
grave basin
ps their pvp channel sucks lol
No one plays hunter anymore
Also replace it with literally any freedom pet it doesn't matter
As long as it has MS
And use a hippo pet if you're against rogue/x
jolly sierra
https://x.com/Technically_PvP/status/1793809143008211129
thank you
waxen meteor
damn another 5-1 in melee lobby, ret is rocking
if it's not the warrior got one shotted at open, would be another 60
gleaming pawn
@harsh steppe I see you joining the paladin brotherhood
fierce forum
What would people say is the best dagger enchants for PvP in SoD?
potent pivot
any1 know what BIS pvp pet is for hunter? hunter disc earlier said it isnt undea...
Check out Bicmex’s YouTube. If it’s changed I’m sure he will have said so somewhere
potent pivot
What would people say is the best dagger enchants for PvP in SoD?
Season of discovery?
No one really discusses Classic stuff here
steel scarab
I have 4 bullion, what the heck do I spend them on for pvp? I already have the high mastery ring
sick wasp
ps their pvp channel sucks lol
bicmex was using an exotic raptor but not the undead one
was a white one,cant recall the name
grave basin
You can use any freedom pet with ms
Aka rodent or raptor
The reason why most people don't recommend the undead raptor is the huge number of rets that spam shuffle
And wake of ashes stuns undead pets for 5 seconds
So if you forget to change pet (which happens alot) you're inting yourself
grave basin
Tfw I kept forgetting to change pets in 10.0.7 and got gibbed cause can't pet sac
sick wasp
was using a hippo coz it was fun but im into otter tech now
grave basin
But at the rate hunters are going it's going to be a get1800andlogout kinda alt
grave basin
I also saw that hyper is trying hpal now
In pally discord
Asking which race is the most R1 viable
grave basin
yeah that's what a lot of people say but I just switched my rogue to nelf & lost all fun
He said this even though everyone told him race is irrelevant at 1k cr
jolly sierra
just souless
playing not NE or orc imo does gaming more funny, even if the price is difficulty increasr
grave basin
Playing tauren rogue with the clown trading post mog for maximum lolfactor
jolly sierra
exactly
limber crag
ah idk up to you
@tawny kestrel hey raz, as assa rogue when do u use gouge? Like if I cleave I can’t coz bleeds break it
wintry dew
He said this even though everyone told him race is irrelevant at 1k cr
I was one of them
jolly sierra
I was one of them
i was right all the fucking time
jolly sierra
nice nice
nova viper
jolly sierra
im about to sleep after being fkn interrupted by ppl ringing the door
in the morning
being an insomniac is not good xddd
nova viper
im about to sleep after being fkn interrupted by ppl ringing the door
Why they ringing
jolly sierra
Why they ringing
cuz they forgot the keys
nova viper
im about to sleep after being fkn interrupted by ppl ringing the door
Why they ringing
Sadge
tawny kestrel
<@196337697512488961> hey raz, as assa rogue when do u use gouge? Like if I clea...
i just use it to stop casts
wintry dew
https://tenor.com/view/paladin-consecration-tbc-wow-burning-gif-22902164
SMH my head
safe pelican
<@196337697512488961> hey raz, as assa rogue when do u use gouge? Like if I clea...
Gouge healers into kidney , this is last time i give away my secret sauce to playing shuffle on training wheels for rogue
Or gouge to stop cast like Raz said or use it to stay alive but dont gouge anyone with a bleed kinda obvi
dapper chasm
The trick with Gouging a trinket is to get the Gouge swirl up top before the trink swirl does
It's one of the official signs of a man
surreal barn
https://tenor.com/view/paladin-consecration-tbc-wow-burning-gif-22902164
With all those binds I bet you would excel at affliction lock
I’m serious lol you just run away and smash them
They even get two schools to cast from in TWW
fickle dragon
Hey fam, any of you know of a classic cataclsym rogue pvp discord server? Having trouble tracking one down
wintry dew
Hey fam, any of you know of a classic cataclsym rogue pvp discord server? Having...
Try any of the ones pinned on the #classic-discussion channel
But I don't know for certain they are any good
fickle dragon
Yeah it seems with each re-release of the old versions tehre are less and less rogue/pvp resources. Thanks for the info
sick wasp
healers life in bgs ===>find a rank 1 mount===>follow it===>heal/dispell===>win
i swear though
its so boring
healing is just
stoic spruce
I can't wait for double vanish
grave basin
no lol i just got this
the weapon illusions on this wep goes HARD
look at this with nightmare
wintry dew
try power torrent too xD
grave basin
yea
my life is complete
now i can play gnome warrior and just be obnoxious as fuck
are you getting any ensambles?
i swear this looks cool on rogue
wintry dew
i swear this looks cool on rogue
Not really honestly, not from the raid/dungeons. Got some trading post recolours
grave basin
i havent seen those yet
jolly sierra
glad they buffed bronze thought dailies
so i can get all the shit without too much issues
grave basin
im not gonna step foot in soo for a long time lol
i have two toons im just gonna do the dailies and slowly farm bronze for these class wide ensambles
gleaming pawn
I can't wait for double vanish
you say that, but the hero trees are so impossibly bad it's not going to make any difference 🙂
and I refuse to cope that these are just first looks, and Blizz totally isn't going to leave them in the shit state they are
jolly sierra
blizz ALWAYS changes stuff
even more from alpha
remember when pallies has a teleport with weapon in legion?
gleaming pawn
I remember how Rogue went practially unchanged for all of SL alpha and got last minute touch ups in DF alpha
stoic spruce
you say that, but the hero trees are so impossibly bad it's not going to make an...
Idc about the trees. I'll be invincible regardless.
Fatebound being passive is hella cool. I can focus on the way I want to play.
Tbh until there are titles with the trees, the talents will just be another thang
surreal barn
TGIF
tough spruce
You know whats worse than solo shuffle queues? Being stuck in a 3 hour Taylor Swift concert
Fml
surreal barn
I didn’t know @tough spruce was a swifty
tough spruce
I was curious and my gf offered me the ticket. Big mistake
wintry dew
Or both
wintry dew
Let's go put Portugal in the map brother
Now that I think of it
What a fucking chad
Taylor Swift concert ❌
Discord with the boys ✅
median umbra
You guys recommend any resources for learning assassination in pvp? I’m new to rogue and pretty new to PvP but I’m looking for some kind of informative guide/series to start learning how to do damage and use my utility effectively 🙂
jolly sierra
shadenox in youtube
final anvil
Does anyone know which comp nessper (top sin 2v2 rogue) runs for 2v2?
jolly sierra
ask him directly, he is here
median umbra
Thanks for the content rec, super helpful.
He has bone spike talented but never mentions using it. Is this just a pathing node and generally not worth pressing?
final anvil
Hi there, any chance you could share which 2v2 duo class you usually run with this season?🙏
final anvil
mostly hpriest
Thank you! Do you prefer hpriest > disc for more dampening hps?
potent pivot
Thanks for the content rec, super helpful.
He has bone spike talented but never ...
It’s good to use to build some combo points and also as a ranged spell
median umbra
yeah that makes sense as I am looking at it! Thanks a lot
outer sky
Best spec for the carts map rbg?
lucid citrus
depends, if youre in teamfight most of the time, then Assa
if youre off carts, then sub
tawdry lodge
how to use poison knife properly? as a builder when out of range?
sick wasp
yeah has a limited use
gleaming pawn
does it still reset the wound poison stack?
can't remember if they ever fixed that
jolly sierra
i think it got fixed
steel scarab
Well boys
I've played enough games to come to this conclusion:
I am absolutely hardstuck at 2200
remote apex
Confused, do we earn the elite and conq s2 sets for pvp since it won the vote this season?
Was told by someone that you actually only can earn the s3 pvp sets for all classes regardless of what appearance won the vote
i noticed the conq vendor only selling the s3 appearance
pastel burrow
silk tundra
I obersving a lot of assas now are going 30% vers, 80% mastery and the rest for crit; Have anyone tested same but with haste instead of crit?
wintry dew
You can see there most people aren't really going for defined %
It's just what gear gives
And 30% vers seems a bit low
But it is indeed what the top50 shuffle are using
Around 80% mastery, 33% versa
silk tundra
correct, though shuffle isnt really representative for my purpose because in shuffle u always wanna run kingsbane build(with or without carnage);
restive rain
Pres/WW lf Rogue to push glad this weekend. Either sub or outlaw. If interested or know someone on this channel who might be lmk. I'm the pres, very high xp
wintry dew
correct, though shuffle isnt really representative for my purpose because in shu...
I checked 3v3 and every single one uses kingsbane
Maybe I'm reading the wrong info idk
silk tundra
I checked 3v3 and every single one uses kingsbane
yep thats what I told, u always wanna pick kingsbane in shuffle
wintry dew
3v3, not shuffle
silk tundra
my point is not about how much versa/mastery u wanna get, but about secondary stats. mostly ppl now go for crit because it's more versatile and fits both shuffle and 3s - u get more CP from FoK, more crit dmg from garrote and higher crit chance for KB. I aim specifically for playin 3s in assa/affli with no-kingsbane build and curious if putting points to haste will increase overall pressure.
wintry dew
You could try asking shadenox
silk tundra
he runs crit this season and most of the time play with fire mage
i asked, he said "maybe, i im not sure" 😄
wintry dew
Probably because haste hasn't been a thing for quite some seasons now
silk tundra
this season we have more stats so it may be a good idea
i know Myk plays something similar to what I said, but he hides his gear
wintry dew
Conquest is not capped anymore so try your luck my friend, in case you can't find not info on it
silk tundra
yep though it's more about sparks which are limited rn 😦
grave basin
Join us in panda memix
limber crag
I checked 3v3 and every single one uses kingsbane
We use kb to force big cds or make a kill, over spread pressure with dots this Why i pref kb build
wintry dew
Thats why i was wondering why he wanted to play without KB
surreal barn
With no nightstalker i doubt we will be playing kingsbane next season
silk tundra
Thats why i was wondering why he wanted to play without KB
in no-kb build u pick SBS, if u keep it on 3 targets u get +6% bleed dmg and with SBS damage(direct+bleed) u do more overall pressure and have free gcd on shadow dance for peels, it works well with affli in a team
limber crag
Thats why i was wondering why he wanted to play without KB
U play That if u want pressure all over the arena and not try one shot, like a dot cleave
grave basin
@wintry dew are some ensambles bugged?
seems like not all of them are class agnostic
wintry dew
Like which ones
grave basin
i bought this and the druid ones
both i cant see on my rogue
i can see THIS set though
wintry dew
Can you check for specific pieces instead of looking for the fullset?»
jolly sierra
so, have hyper changed us for pallies?
grave basin
so, have hyper changed us for pallies?
yes and no one is answering him
feels kinda bad for him
jolly sierra
yes and no one is answering him
dont feel like that, was his choice BTW
grave basin
dont feel like that, was his choice BTW
he even posted on reddit btw
jolly sierra
he even posted on reddit btw
as always xdd
the thing is, if he never fixes his own issues we say everytime he will never move on
grave basin
i can choose every single piece @wintry dew
i mean he said he wants to play BE no matter what
why doesnt have play BE rogue
jolly sierra
but its very abnormal to being hardstuck for like 2 years
grave basin
what happens if all the top HPALs reroll to the earhen race
jolly sierra
without any change
grave basin
but its very abnormal to being hardstuck for like 2 years
hes been in discord for 2 years?
jolly sierra
hes been in discord for 2 years?
since like 2022 here
left in a season
come back now
wintry dew
i can choose every single piece <@256188402116984832>
yeah it seems you HAVE the pieces but it is STILL a monk set, so you can manually choose every single piece :3
jolly sierra
well, you already read that part
grave basin
i def feel bad kinda sorta maybe
there was a guy like that called steezo in hunter discord too
he got banned in literally every single class discord
jolly sierra
dude isnt our fault from now, ppl here tried their best
jolly sierra
he got banned in literally every single class discord
wait how
jolly sierra
:l
jolly sierra
XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
grave basin
then bought a boost to elite in s2 i think
jolly sierra
i rlly like duelist title tbh
jolly sierra
then bought a boost to elite in s2 i think
money does miracles
but its funny to read
grave basin
he brags about it
openly admits to paying for boosts
then when people shit on him
"it's a harrasing world"
jolly sierra
what do u expect
grave basin
now he made his own discord
jolly sierra
when u are flexing urself
grave basin
yea but he's got autism
jolly sierra
now he made his own discord
guy turned into the main antagonist
autism isnt an excuse tho, i have homies w autism and def doesnt act like that
even some of them are empathetic af
grave basin
the tism + terminally online
jolly sierra
is this guy?
grave basin
no hes on EU, steezoowl
grave basin
yea he probably name changed
jolly sierra
any clue?
jolly sierra
nope, no wow clips
jolly sierra
XD
grave basin
yea he removed all trace
good for him too he was saying he hates pika and jelly
cause they were too good at the game
jolly sierra
that is jealously
its like i say i hate shadenox or raz cuz i will never be like them lol
so, do u like this server? XD ive seen u even switched pfp
dapper chasm
Who are the top rogues now that all my old heroes have moved on or literally died
dapper chasm
So, I should mention American rogues don't count
Everything is easier on the colony servers
wintry dew
gleaming pawn
American rogues built the brand, what
wintry dew
don't fall for the bait
dapper chasm
don't fall for the bait
I have lived amongst the Americans. Their entire culture is built around their penises. It's funny to say they are small. It's funny to say they are big. I've been at parties where Americans held bottles, pencils, thermoses in front of themselves and called out, 'Hey, look at me. I'm Mr. So-and-So Dick. I've got such-as-such for a penis.' I never saw it fail to get a laugh.
last jasper
hope hyper doesnt follow the same path
did I miss soemthing?
jolly sierra
did I miss soemthing?
hyper betrayed us
gleaming pawn
he's playing Holy Paladin
jolly sierra
that is fine
opal bone
hyper betrayed us
was this the mage disarmer
jolly sierra
was this the mage disarmer
the OG one
jolly sierra
never trust your idols
their learnings are still in us, but they themselves are not anymore
twin burrow
im american and i literally only do that dick thing mayb once a week like if its a good weekend and people are feeling it ill do it a second time but your stretching it saying we do it every day.. its like 2-3 times a week at worst..
tawdry lodge
disarm good for dks, rets, and dh?
jolly sierra
dks very good, rets meh, dhs dont
dhs backflips and dispells
rets can still toss hammers, wake of ashes and shit like that
tawdry lodge
