pvp

[jolly sierra]

we have checked here

and

[wintry dew]

There's a list somewhere

[jolly sierra]

the base stats

are for s2 too

that implies the chest

[wintry dew]

Yes,

[jolly sierra]

has versa mastery

[wintry dew]

it was me who stated it bro

xD

[jolly sierra]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

nvm nvm

[wintry dew]

You need some rest

[jolly sierra]

im fine im fine

[wintry dew]

your eyes must feel heavy

[jolly sierra]

perhaps, the fucking cat woke me up

[vocal surge]

Waiting for work to end to play

2hrs of sleep and over 14hrs of gardening

[gleaming pawn]

It’s the worst feeling

[vocal surge]

After hauling 1 ton of dirt to the backyard

Made me realize I need to exercise lol

But WoW PvP

[umbral crest]

Wasn't it the season 3 mog?

Also, seems it'll be season 3 mog for all classes in PvP based on what I saw from the US posts?

[wintry dew]

Thought the same but it seems that in the end S2 won

[wintry dew]

PvE and pvp were not separated

Let me see if Fuu can help me out with the info

@neat bough can you help me real quick?

[umbral crest]

From what I understood they weren't separated in the vote, but I've seen several posts on forums/reddit claiming that all classes received the S3 transmog in PvP specifically, unclear if this is blizz messing up or not

So PvE will get the voted set while PvP gets shafted for whatever reason

I'm EU so I'll check when it's live tomorrow

[wintry dew]

Same here

[umbral crest]

Either way, people were not happy on forums/reddit

[wintry dew]

They never are

[umbral crest]

Well, when I say someone is not happy, sometihng is not ideal, I mean that things are bad, very bad..

Forums/reddit is usually fairly negative, but people were "angry" now

[wintry dew]

But what is bad?

[umbral crest]

Well, a lot of deleted threads for one

[wintry dew]

I mean, what is the thing people are mad about

[gleaming pawn]

There was a lot of reports of fucky numbers at the end of the polls and that wowhead had it wrong

Also there is no way people voted for the s3 appearance over either of the other two

[umbral crest]

So there was the vote as we know, different classes got different tiers etc but PvP is supposedly all S3 regardless of votes

Supposedly

and people are therefore pissed that blizz would "mislead" them with a vote that does not affect PvP

[gleaming pawn]

Yes, the pvp sets are the same for t3 and t4

[wintry dew]

Where are our beta testers

[gleaming pawn]

Blizzard wouldn’t be doing extra effort for the pvp sets

[umbral crest]

People have been posting about it for a few weeks

[gleaming pawn]

It’s sadly a mini game they don’t care about

[umbral crest]

Seems so, which doesn't make much sense considering it's a mini game that can largely just go with the flow of the PvE balancing, only requiring some tweaks every now and then

It's not like they'd need to devote a lot of dev time

[gleaming pawn]

Any more than 0 dev time is more than they’d like and are willing to spend on pvp

[umbral crest]

Yeah, which makes no sense really 🤷‍♂️

[jolly sierra]

gotta buy the 9cm TF

its from the same material

[spring bough]

still waiting on my inv was supposed to come with the prepurchase of the game....

[wintry dew]

Oh I meant the NA players in patch days

As known as beta testers

[inner tartan]

ooo i like this

[halcyon timber]

Rogue feels fine . We all do about the same damage it feels like but in diff ways obviously.

Mm , moonkin, ret seem to be ahead. Definitely fought some mages and shadow priests who are slamming. Healers definitely feel stronger in blitz. Prob some of the buggest crits are from healers honestly. Def able to respond to dmg

(In all new honor gear 515 or whatever)

[surreal barn]

No new rewards I’ll be skipping this season

[halcyon timber]

A lot will change with gear / gems etc though

As a side note

Ill still play but ive got midterms im focusing on

[brazen carbon]

I can confirm that the elite set for S4 is the same set from S3 on my MW monk. 1800 in SS.

[halcyon timber]

Yeh, its fine. Glad they are focusing on getting 11.0 ready as Im sure they have a lot going on atm.

[vocal surge]

This season will require Outlaw to do Crit Vers Mast

Haste can be covered by that epic enchant that also gives speed & Take em By Surprise

[surreal barn]

Idk maybe hire another person

1000s of people would work for free during school 😂

[halcyon timber]

Dunno I just want to dunk, rewards are cool and all but im not motivated by stuff like that.

[surreal barn]

Then you are def gonna dunk lol

Sub is gonna be a monster

[halcyon timber]

Meh tired of anti rogue propaganda

[surreal barn]

Even with engineering you’ll be at 40% versa

[halcyon timber]

I expect secondaries to DR heavy. Sitting at 42% in all greens, didn’t seem to be a huge difference as expected.

Rapid fire easily doing 500k+ alone and seeing rets do 200k+ whatever the heck their abilities are womping people. I wouldn’t sweat it.

[surreal barn]

😆

Sniper shots strait to the face

[halcyon timber]

Yeah heh

Def just saw an enhancement shaman tab target people pretty bad haha.

Was cool to see but no one has gear and shouldn’t take that as grounds to nerf x

[safe pelican]

Damn assass is like really good rn for solo shuffle

I’m doing crazy damage

[jolly sierra]

ye it is

[gleaming pawn]

Sin propaganda!

[steel scarab]

I'm excited to try it, but after how mid it was last season, I don't have high hopes lol

[gleaming pawn]

it is a blood bath at Tarolekk, the arena is just full of skeletons

[steel scarab]

Do we get a piece of the new tier of arena gear in our vault today if we pvped last week?

Or will it be item level from the previous season?

[gleaming pawn]

previous season

[jolly sierra]

quality of life tip:

dont bother in minmaxing the tier for this season, they wont share bonus even if those are the same

ex. using s3 tier and mix it w s4 one, they wont interact each other

[gleaming pawn]

correct

[jolly sierra]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/mythic-0-dawn-of-the-infinites-bosses-drop-493-champion-gear-and-have-5-million-338966

seems like nick is easier to get and upgrade than expected

[gleaming pawn]

if you can get it to drop 🙂

I only ever saw it in my vault all season

I also doubt it would be worth running it in pvp, running dual 489 Nick last season and the proc did not do much of any damage during any given match

[jolly sierra]

nah doesnt worth

btw

s4 started worldwide already

[proven mica]

are there any bugs? dmg seems crazy low

[lucid citrus]

I don’t think so but it’s because we are all honor gear so everyone’s verse is so high right now

[grave basin]

Any1 has gotten the duelist enchant ?

Is it even cool

[jolly sierra]

u have it in youtube tho

[pliant mauve]

Are we using the same crafted gear from last season? All life bound and, two rings, and neck?

(but obviously upgraded)

[jolly sierra]

seems like

there are no nerfs and stuff like that

[outer sky]

Should we replace our tier gear /w honor gear?

[jolly sierra]

yes

[neat bough]

season 2 tier set apperence won

[pliant mauve]

I'm guessing weapon is still the go to for the first piece? Idk what to buy and I'm capped on conq

[wintry dew]

Thank you. I believe you did an overall list for all classes and wanted to ask if you still had it

[neat bough]

oh yes, its in #wow-general

moment

but it was just the tier bonus, not the apperence

#wow-general message

wowhead posted the Season 4 rewards already a week ago

the article states this in the comments:

[wanton breach]

transmog is exactly the same as in season 3 (pvp) and season 2 (pve)

[neat bough]

thanks, confusing ^^

[wintry dew]

Thank you Fuu

If the TMOG is the S3, are the stats on the items going to be S3 aswell, instead of S2? Hmmm @waxen meteor @jolly sierra beware of this

[jolly sierra]

checked the stuff from diary

its indeed w s2 stats

i would advice using both chest and legs

[wintry dew]

Even if it is S3 appearance?

[jolly sierra]

yep

[wintry dew]

Okay oof

[jolly sierra]

its using s2 stats and appearance but s3 bonus

[wintry dew]

People are complaining that the elite pvp is S3, and all the pvp items appearance is S3, which means they didn't really touch pvp

That's why I don't know if you catalyst, you'll get S2 appearance and stats or not

[last jasper]

conq is available from day? or its always was liek that

[jolly sierra]

i tossed the belt i got to the catalyst

seems like u get a s2 item stat wise

[wintry dew]

Belt isn't a tier set piece thooo

Idk it's weird as fuck

I'll have to check stuff this week

[jolly sierra]

but does count for tier appearance

got lurking specter

[wintry dew]

I seee

#wow-general message

[jolly sierra]

can be in spanish but the tier is identical to s2 one stat wise

confirmed to be that

[gleaming pawn]

This season is special, normally we have to wait a week to spend honor and earn/spend conq

[potent pivot]

rogue damage is bugged atm

[harsh steppe]

i just get tokens for slots for now right?

[wintry dew]

@jolly sierra check what I posted above

[gleaming pawn]

You also don’t have to grind out more than 400 bloody tokens because the honor gear is better than the base AND we are capped on trophies

[harsh steppe]

gm

[potent pivot]

-25-40% damage in raid for sure, not 100% sure if it's effecting pvp

doesn't seem to be affecting damage you do in dungeons, so

[jolly sierra]

i did

[gleaming pawn]

It doesn’t look like it for Sin at least

[potent pivot]

yeah i've heard sin seems ok

[gleaming pawn]

I was doing BGs and Blitz earlier, my damage was good

Not touching Outlaw without the set bonuses sadly, so I’m not sure there

[potent pivot]

sub damage looks low af, but when does it not

[jolly sierra]

my damage was good af in bgs

[gleaming pawn]

lol true!

[potent pivot]

fire mage unironically looks insane from what i was seeing earlier

[gleaming pawn]

Sub damage is also contending with people already having 400k more HP so even if the damage was the same it will feel worse

[potent pivot]

feral damage is also bugged, it's doing like 10-20% more than evereyone else

in raid at least, not sure if it's affecting pvp either

apparently the MoP shit is affecting scaling in the regular game somehow

[gleaming pawn]

Interesting

I wish I could say I was surprised lol

[jolly sierra]

got the dagger guys

now im looking for the embellishment

[last jasper]

What do u mean “capped on trophies”?

[harsh steppe]

nice! gz

[gleaming pawn]

Slacker 😛 but grats!

[gleaming pawn]

You can still only get 8 of the Malicia trophies of strife per week

[grave basin]

You can only get 8 a week

[jolly sierra]

remember im european

XD

[grave basin]

If you have rating goals better push it now before panda remix comes out

[last jasper]

Oh these trophies

[jolly sierra]

nothing yet tbh im going remix

[wintry dew]

Remix will take a while to be released

[last jasper]

Yea. Prob after plunder

[wintry dew]

May 16th

[last jasper]

Shit

[jolly sierra]

plenty of time

and no worries about rating tho, items arent scaled by rating anymore

[last jasper]

wow, huge.

[jolly sierra]

should we experiment with diurna ring guys?

[wintry dew]

🤔💭 maybe

[jolly sierra]

ive read comments and seems dinars does drop from lfr

so we dont have to worry about looking for pugs

493

im watching the vendors

and seems tier does exist for pvp

but seems like they forgot to add the token as reward inside it

[last jasper]

I wounder should I leave 2p s3 or went straight with full honor?

[jolly sierra]

full honor

hol up it does rewards the token for s4

it is asking for 1k6

[last jasper]

lmao

107 mast in honor gear

Yea, sub dam is still meh

[grave basin]

I've been trying to find any sliver of rogue tww alpha gameplay and seems like no one

Everyone is hyping mage and monk and DK 😔

[last jasper]

what dks are hyped about?

[sick wasp]

actually in love with fire rn

very poggers

[grave basin]

Rider of the apocalypse apparently is really cool

[harsh steppe]

what's that pvp ranking site where you can see everything about the highest ranking players?

[hidden moth]

Checkpvp.com

Well thats what i use

[harsh steppe]

ty fran

[last jasper]

is there a way to get full spark this week?

[safe turret]

got a splinter from weekly quest box and a splinter from a random epic bg win

[sick wasp]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/battleground-blitz-in-the-war-within-new-seasonal-toy-and-title-for-high-rated-338808?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social_media&utm_campaign=facebook_rehighlights&fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTAAAR1uSajcd2Sittcv7a9DNt4CGn-uoFnbtTsCLGdF5tLrX3Q9XGe_cv-yEB8_aem_AWot-8sKPWTw61Pe6F6d6Qotg2W6SnEkYb8RCBbUUy9EfcsATapKtXU40MY0n7b4NwBKSDbP7t4pwcKrLRekbyRO

new battleground blitz rated tech

im so down for it

got already most bg/mass pvp achieves anyway

cant miss that

[last jasper]

4min ques... if only sub wasn't that bad

[sick wasp]

im trying mage

rogue kinda sus

[last jasper]

yea, prolly gonna swap to mage/lock

[last jasper]

god dam, went for epic bg. and it went for 30 min

[harsh steppe]

what's the other skill, i forget what i used to use, when my trinket is on cooldown, to break stun? or was there such a thing

or maybe it was a skill that you pressed before you get CCed to prevent getting CCed

[grave basin]

Human racial ?

[harsh steppe]

nope

something else

[grave basin]

Fleshcraft

[harsh steppe]

cloak of shadows?

[grave basin]

Cloak will prevent physical moves on you if you have veil of midnight talent but I haven't confirmed if it's nerfed for s4

[harsh steppe]

ohhh yah i think that was it

hmm what do i do if i think i'm about to be stunned & my trinket is on cd, without veil?

[last jasper]

Rogues can’t break stun

[harsh steppe]

sorry, i meant what do i do before i think i'm about to be stunned

[last jasper]

They were removing dodge from veil.

[grave basin]

Just the dodge or all physical immune ?

[sick wasp]

u can meld it

but humans if its physical source can only will it

else clos

there is also legsweep which i cant recall if u can evasion it

[harsh steppe]

not night elf but what is clos stand for

[sick wasp]

sus

but cloak of shadows

[harsh steppe]

ty

[sick wasp]

yw

[harsh kiln]

I think both dodge and physical immune. but itll still remove magic and physical debuffs.

[grave basin]

Kinda useless now tbh unless you really need it into feral or assa

[surreal barn]

Cloak has indeed been nerfed.

It still takes off monk karma though which is nice

[sick wasp]

fire mage man

all the way

sht looks nuts

[surreal barn]

Devastation atm is also busted AF

[sick wasp]

havent tried it but will do

[surreal barn]

Unkillable lol

[sick wasp]

first time i see rets running away from me

lol

devastation

[surreal barn]

We need that dude to make a video

[sick wasp]

also whats wrong with ppl

eveyrone has a legendary

[surreal barn]

I think you can just buy it now right

[sick wasp]

no idea

[surreal barn]

From the vendor

Probably smart to look at that vendor instead of pvp gear tbh

[sick wasp]

yup

[surreal barn]

Will get perfect stats

[sick wasp]

but its a gated grind anyway

yeah pretty much

[surreal barn]

Doesn’t it come from LFR though?

The token

[grave basin]

Is there any cool cosmetic stuff from the boullion?

[sick wasp]

need to read about it,i rly dont know

[grave basin]

I saw the slimecat

[surreal barn]

Yeah there is

I mean I didn’t pve at all so this is nice

[wintry dew]

Negative. You can buy the item that scales the legendary up to s4

Just like it was with Sylvanas bow

But you must have it first

[surreal barn]

Ah

Makes sense

[last jasper]

they've lost s3 tier. which was insane for pvp

[surreal barn]

The extra versatility makes them a tough kill imo, maybe easier after gear

[last jasper]

are we still use same embalishmetns? I mean there is nothing new for rogues?

[grave basin]

There's nothing new with anybody sir

Just get more sets and use old tier if pvers voted for it

Stats*

[wintry dew]

Also it seems equipping a piece of s4 tier will break the S3 tier we have equipped

Read that on the PvE channels

[waxen meteor]

Already slept but yeah as panda said

[wintry dew]

Amen

[last jasper]

jesus, its what a mess.

[vocal surge]

mfw my healer is out performing healers with full 515 honor gear in 489 conq gear

[fading blade]

Ya my s3 chest crit/vers is different from my sb vers/mast tier

[vocal surge]

Also at 35% mastery

main gauche hitting for 10k to 20k

[waxen meteor]

S2 single pc stats is fairly bad

But when I look at ret s2 single pieces

[grave basin]

So is this an oversight ? Should I hold on to my 1600 token

Or is blizz doing blizz things and not fixing PvP for another 3 months

[sick wasp]

Rets doing ret things

400k TV on 45%vers

illegal dam

[last jasper]

yea, im getting 400-500k bolts with rift build on my lock

meanwhile sub 180k evis 😄

[surreal barn]

Monks tier set

Holy shit.

FoF buffs their next two RSK by 20%

[surreal barn]

Wish I had more time before work I’d have gotten that enchant

[waxen meteor]

Do we use all honor now?

[last jasper]

It’s 50/50

Some use s3 parts. Some full honor

[surreal barn]

I was rollin full honor and awakened upgraded boots

[last jasper]

yea, i went full honor too. for vers

and stam

[surreal barn]

Just mix and match till your damage is highest tbh

[last jasper]

idk what should I take from bloody vendor 😄

[surreal barn]

I think we do chest legs for tier but I could be wrong

[last jasper]

i wounder how this is going to work. since they are same 😄

[safe pelican]

Somebody send season 4 pvp patch notes for each class rq I never seen them curious to see the rogue buffs and debuffs

[last jasper]

aweken is grafted?

[surreal barn]

Yeah

[waxen meteor]

i think they are not the same

the craft thingy

they look the same

but they don't stack

look at this

my bag

[last jasper]

lmao

[grave basin]

they are definately not the same

one is awakened sparks

[potent pivot]

!mute @last jasper 1d bypassing the automated filter is a no no

[waxen meteor]

i missed the reputation weekly that sends free craft material

i don't want to do these weeklies now :(((((((((((((

@surreal barn what quest did you do for the craft

[grave basin]

the weekly 3x event quest + one of the pvp weeklies

gets you two sparks

[surreal barn]

Rbg and epic bgs

I think one just came as a reward for winning an rbg as well

[nova viper]

Lol

next season is W or L?

[lucid citrus]

It’s mid lol

[sick wasp]

yup actually mental

[sick wasp]

monks are even more crazy than locks lul

[surreal barn]

Yeah and without op cloak even scarier

[sick wasp]

there are lobbies like

eveyrone climbs on his rank 1 dragon

2 hunters 2 shammies 1 war

im like

ok

so much cancer

Hunters be like

''Haha a mage lets pve on his body''

[grave basin]

are we crafting the infurious boots first?

and do we prio conq weapon or 2pc first?>

[jolly sierra]

that is the reason i dont go rated at week 1

[harsh steppe]

did y’all in eu get s4 yet?

[grave basin]

just did my first game as outlaw and holy fuq it's fun

[halcyon timber]

WOrsT cLasS iN tHe gAmE , wE dO zErO dAmGE - hunters while they jump and screw around doing tony hawk tricks with arrows from 40 yards away.

[sick wasp]

Hunters are very strong for pvp in general,its what it is,even the most brainlet gamers can snipershot into instant aimshots into barrage etc

the most vulnerable class to that is arguably the mage

Survival is even stronger

MM is kinda memeing

ive capped already but dear lord it was painful

[weary pumice]

Do disarm do anything to hunter ?

for survival particularly ?

[umbral crest]

Stops MM from using abilities at least

[harsh steppe]

as someone who mained hunter for years, i can promise you that’s how they feel about us

[harsh steppe]

yes

[weary pumice]

so mm cannot use their abilities, what about survival ? they can't use their melee abilities, but still use the ranged ones ?

[harsh steppe]

no all

[gleaming pawn]

They cannot attack at all, and cannot turtle

[harsh steppe]

disarm is kryptonite for all hunters

[gleaming pawn]

BM hunters can still do pet things, but cannot attack themselves and cannot turtle

[sick wasp]

they can trap

iirc

but cant atk with any atk req a ranged wpn

[weary pumice]

wuuut the turtle part is nuts

[jolly sierra]

wait what

that is new

did they rlly need a wep to turtle?

[weary pumice]

ty for the answers btw !

[jolly sierra]

wtf

[weary pumice]

yea im in shock

[sick wasp]

why

wars cant DBTS when u disarm them as well

not that crazy

im curious if DHs can NW if disarmed

anyone knows

[jolly sierra]

sounds a little ilogic

does they turn their weps into a shell?

or some shit like that?

[sick wasp]

on hunter discord a dude says hunters can turtle if disarmed

idk if he's trippin

this is

[jolly sierra]

wut

im confused af

[sick wasp]

Ive asked bicmex

hunter can turtle if disarmed

so no,if u disarm a hunter he can use turtle,he cant atk

[gleaming pawn]

Then my hunter partner lied to my face

[sick wasp]

guess he did my man

bicmex happens to be a friend and a very high quality hunter

[gleaming pawn]

Oh I believe Bicmex, I just have no idea why my hunter would have told me they cannot turtle

[sick wasp]

coz he doesnt know

[gleaming pawn]

Oh well

[sick wasp]

most likely

yup

[jolly sierra]

bicmex is one of the best hunters atm

should trust his word but

hunters are gaslighting hard dude

BTW just got a s4 crafted ring for 1500g

[sick wasp]

yup ive went and searched the mods/spell ids that get involved with the spell.Havent found anything relative to using a wpn or anything.Die by the sword requires wpns coz it increases parry,u cant parry without a wpn

[jolly sierra]

could work for now till i get another stuff

[jolly sierra]

have sense

[sick wasp]

why didnt u get a ring for 500 honor 😛

[jolly sierra]

cuz die by the sword is basically like improving ur reflexes to parry everything

[sick wasp]

yup,u just cant parry w/o wpns

[jolly sierra]

cuz i already have 1 😛

i cant use this eternally XD

[sick wasp]

ah u wanted the double vers/mast

cool cool

makes sense

[jolly sierra]

just used the crappy spare r2 gem i had

still have the r3 in the bag

[halcyon timber]

Survival can huck bombs still while disarmed and command their dogs to bite you in the veener no?

[sick wasp]

cant kill command,it scales off wpn dmg

or raptor strike

they can trap,thats for sure

[halcyon timber]

Yeh mud trap and kite

[halcyon timber]

Side note: Karma on wowhead used to not be usable while disarmed in the tooltip as well. I think its just generators / fist of fury and maybe windlord that reqs a weapon now?

[jolly sierra]

karma can be used while disarmed

fof is the only thing needs a wep rn

alright i think im done w pvp gearing this week

sent myself the boots and upgraded them like 2 ranks

better than doing new ones imo

[harsh steppe]

do i still need to add
/cleartarget
/targetlasttarget
to all my macros involving shadowstep?

[hidden meadow]

Anyone have any patch notes?few things changed for season 4

[harsh steppe]

they didn't change up my rotation did they...

[halcyon timber]

Yes i said that but it was in the files (wowhead tooltips) as “not” at one point bub.

Nothing changed for us, just no more evasion on veil of midnight and some healer changes I think.

[karmic summit]

am i just really bad or is evis doing literal 0 damage

i got cc lock dmg and lock lost like %20 hp

[potent pivot]

Sub just isn’t looking too good in general atm

It’s still possible to do ok on, the dmg just seems oddly low

[vestal spire]

I was thinking the same, but I’m only in my 2nd year of playing WoW, so I thought it was because of that……

[hidden dome]

In which universe it is reasonable

that fists of fury parries the knock-down of the highmountain charge?

[surreal barn]

lol that’s funny

[hidden dome]

I can't play a single day of arena without something stupid like that happening

[jolly sierra]

imagine you receiving a fist in the face at full speed when you are bullrushing towards the guy doing that

sounds realistic lol

[hidden dome]

I mean fist also parries fucking killing spree

so I should've expected as much

But somehow evasion doesn't work against Shockwave of warrior

even though it works against all shockwave like abilities in PvE

This game has Zero predictability and internal logic

[sick wasp]

no idea my man but interesting

[jolly sierra]

shockwave cant be avoided

its in internal info from wowhead

[sick wasp]

cant u sidestep

[hidden dome]

Every shockwave like ability in PvE in Dungeons in the last 10 seasons

[sick wasp]

or shadowstep it

[hidden dome]

has been evadeable

[sick wasp]

im pretty sure i stepped sw several times in the past

even unintentionally

anyway,not that it matters alot but ye

fukin locks

400k bolts flying around

[surreal barn]

Really?

The destros lobbies I’ve faced have felt so dampy

[waxen meteor]

Did 2s with random fire mage 0-5

quit

did 2s with another random fire mage 5-0

dc

pff

[sick wasp]

got clapped twice by the same lock,did those funny numbers

and my mage is 515

[surreal barn]

Ouch

[sick wasp]

yeah got deleted once,2nd i just proc'd

think i might do some rbgs to get rival loot

cba with shuffle now

everyone has at least an AWC under his belt

[potent pivot]

in general most people are of the opinion sub is one of the more difficult specs in the game when it comes to pvp, so i wouldn't be too hard on yourself

[halcyon timber]

Same with blur omni dodging. Its intended as a mechanical change whether people like it or not.

[harsh steppe]

how's the new season going so far for everyone?

[hidden meadow]

It feels like kingsbane is hitting considerably less

(which I'm not sure is a bad thing)

[jolly sierra]

interesting

timewalking shit can be turned into tier

[prime zenith]

Quick question for an older (40 yr old) rogue player. Last season, I struggled to get past up to 1800 as sub in shuffle, is outlaw the way to go? I'm just not an experienced outlaw pvper. Thanks for your help

[pine badge]

i am using outlaw for pve. i am swapping to sin for pvp this season

sub is fun but i just want to do damage digits, honestly

[vocal surge]

Just a reminder to do M+ for an extra row worth of chances for getting max ilvl set pieces to use in PvP

[vocal surge]

1 is redder than the other but its barely noticable lol

its like they moved the red multiplier on that to 1.05

[jolly sierra]

going to +0 in the following days

need fast tier

[vocal surge]

Aye

+10 for max vault ilvl lol

[jolly sierra]

ye ye i know

but im a casual pver

kek

[vocal surge]

Getting to a +10 is easy

[jolly sierra]

thought those stuff was scaled

[vocal surge]

just need the ilvl for the dps output

Ye

it's gotten squished

you can run that 1 dungeon

for fast M0 gear

it is on Wowhead news

[jolly sierra]

let see what happens

ill need to dust off the pvp 4set it seems

[harsh steppe]

do i need /stopcasting or /stopattack at the end of every cc macro?

[potent pivot]

nah

[harsh steppe]

ty

[potent pivot]

/stopattack```

i use this for stealth personally

[harsh steppe]

oh ok tyty

i did a very hard thing today
i deleted all macros from my two previous mains

i am going with rogue and nothing else

[potent pivot]

i really need to do a full overhaul

delete and redo most macros/addons/ui etc

[harsh steppe]

is this okay to use for stealth, sap, & finding stealthies?
i kind of combined it all

yeah that's what i'm doing right now & it's a pain in the ass lol

[potent pivot]

i would add a /cleartarget to that

so it's not just constantly targeting non-stealthed enemies

sec

#showtooltip Sap
/cleartarget
/targetenemyplayer
/cast Sap

[harsh steppe]

ah so i really need two forms of this spell then?

[potent pivot]

i use two

idr if it's completely necessary or not tbh

[harsh steppe]

ok tysm

[halcyon timber]

Agreed on the 2 sap buttons

[potent pivot]

but i keep a lot of my stuff separate due to my own muscle memory

stealth/sap/stealthy sap/focus sap

[halcyon timber]

Pretty much put stealth into”most” abilities as well . Mash those incase you drop combat being cycloned / rooted

[jolly sierra]

do u think i would be admitted into a +0 with former season 4set and 470 ilvl?

thinking in getting some crests and cap the chest to get quick the 2set from this season

[gleaming pawn]

Just start your own 🙂

It’s only a +0

[jolly sierra]

there are plenty, im sure can join one of these at least

[lusty meteor]

I have mained sub since legion on and off, but seems like it’s pretty terrible this season. Do you guys recommend assa or outlaw currently for some big dam?

I’m thinkin assa so I can at least play both since they share stats?

[jolly sierra]

assa hitted like a truck in former end season

assa uses versa mastery, dunno about outlaw

[gleaming pawn]

Crit/Vers with some mastery mixed in these days

[safe pelican]

Go assass if you are lazy and play the game faded half the time like me , go outlaw if you wanna press a bunch of buttons and roll dice and act like you’re cool cause you have two swords - Sub main

Assass = cruise control damage
Outlaw = driving the car yourself damage

Sub = that red headed step child that will get his life together eventually, but just not today

[lusty meteor]

Sub was so fun start of last season…. Makes me sad. Can I just follow the shadenox guide for assa? It seems pretty straight forward.

[safe pelican]

Agreed, really got me back into wow I enjoyed it but was starting to get bored with the game so rolling assass has been a breath of fresh air… & I’ve heard that his guide was valid idk about for this season I’m sure it can’t be too far off hes reputable and i haven’t change anything playstyle wise but I’ve been top dmg in my shuffle lobbies full honor gear we’ll see what happens with tonight’s queues

[lusty meteor]

Sounds good I’ll check it out, thanks!

[jolly sierra]

shadenox guide is still valid cuz most assas are still running with IC

[lucid citrus]

hey guys where do we turn in the 1600 token?

[jolly sierra]

where the dinar vendors in valdrakken

this one sells the tier

hmmmmmmmmmm depending how will go the season

seems like buying a dinar igira dagger will be a good idea as MH, both conq wep and that one can get till 528 in pvp

and seems pve stuff doesnt ask for a specific rating as before

[lucid citrus]

Thank you!

[jolly sierra]

u welcome

[lucid citrus]

outlaw seems fun in solo

[wintry dew]

its not ONLY a +0

[wintry dew]

its a +10 from last season

and people with NO idea what they are doing, are queuing

[jolly sierra]

asked a friend of mine if they would invite me to a 0 with 470 ilvl and 4set

he said "ye"

so maybe can try slowly

[wintry dew]

yeah m0 isnt a huge problem to get it

[jolly sierra]

but is different scaled

[wintry dew]

mostly to finish with people who have no idea what they are doing

[harsh steppe]

gl mage you got this 💪

[jolly sierra]

that is it

maybe with 450 ilvl would be crazy af

[wintry dew]

i started with 450 today

[jolly sierra]

even picked 467 tier from vault

XD

[wintry dew]

on my 2nd rogue which will become my main again

[jolly sierra]

oh

[wintry dew]

already at 463

could be 467 but i cant lose 4p

[jolly sierra]

gotcha

so ppl from s3 with decent ilvl pieces are ahead in the curve to start

i regret not upgrading enough the tier

but seems like getting igira dagger for MH from dinars is a good goal

[gleaming pawn]

Pfft a +10 from last season might as well have been a +0 😛

[wintry dew]

tell that

to players that struggled in +4 or 5

that are ending up my parties

[gleaming pawn]

The elitist jerk in me can’t fathom such people exist, I know there’s people that play WoW that are shockingly bad at it, but I just can’t picture them

[wintry dew]

I couldnt aswell

But +0 is legit hard for some people

[vocal surge]

They have all the WAs and Addons in the world

But they lack the spatial awareness to see a swirl on the floor the size of Texas while having an airhorn blowing in their ear

Or do they lack the dps for a M0?

[pine badge]

hey what's the sin rot for pvp

[wintry dew]

dps is also a factor, but what you said above is more real

[rotund fulcrum]

My friend came back at the end of last season after not having played since bfa, my rogue was fully pve geared so like 487 ilvl and I did some low keys with him to try and get catch up gear. Yeah I saw some people die in like 3-8 keys idk how

[wintry dew]

Once you start playing competitively (mid-high M+, Rated PvP) there are some noob mistakes that your brain just do not accept

I play so much with people that know their class, their potential, their toolkit, that when i see a casual player that isnt used to that, i have to remind myself that we are pretty much in the minority

and that most of the playerbase isnt actually try hard

[umbral crest]

I think the cliques we play in really colour our perception, I always felt I was a casual semi ok player when I raided, fairly certain my guildies were just too hardcore..

[wintry dew]

Wdym the cliques?

[umbral crest]

Like the circles we play with

[wintry dew]

Oh yeah exactly

[umbral crest]

Pugs, guilds, friends whatever, we tend to mostly group with the same type of players

[wintry dew]

I'm used to play around people that try to do atleast +20s, heroic raiding, etc

And today I had so many bad experiences with pugs

[umbral crest]

I raided mythic with a guild, only did the bare minimum of m+ unless guildies were on because of how horrible it was to pug...

Like, one per week a lot of the time 😂

[wintry dew]

I'm kinda used to pug m+

But the type of people you'd see in a 10/15 isn't the same that you'll now see in a 0 or a 2

[umbral crest]

I'm used to anything up to 7 or 8 is fine, 9-15 is horrible and 15-20 is good

attitude wise

but I've been made aware the range has changed so I guess the numbers are off now

[wintry dew]

They are, or is just personal experience

2-7/8 I would see a lot of chill people, 9-16 a lot of try hards that complained about others while not doing their job, 17-20 pretty casual and nice people, ofc there are exceptions

[umbral crest]

Yeah, in my experience people who did keys a fair bit above the weekly vault cap would be fairly chill mood wise, but might also decide to just go next if they feel the group won't make it

They're professional when disbanding groups 😂

There are exceptions of course.

[wintry dew]

I can tell you that today's experiences made me rethink if I really want to push m+ and raid.
We'll see.
If anything, I could just collect uncollected transmogs with bullions or whatever the currency is called

[desert hollow]

beginning of the season is it better to first buy weapons or go for set bonuses?

[jolly sierra]

always a wep for main hand

BTW, seems like my friends had a field trip with +6 lol, they just did that in day 1 in EU

ill trust their word then, im joining a 0

[grave basin]

We're getting catalyst charges weekly now so it's not too important

[pearl pasture]

Is sub still the go to for double dps 2s? I play with a surv hunter and curious if assassination or outlaw is worth the dmg increase (at the cost of a bit of cc) compared to sub

Our “go’s” don’t seem too threatening as they were before the new patch

[grave basin]

Also if SL fated is anything to go by , conq will be uncapped pretty fast

[nova sentinel]

Ok, outlaw va DHunter, equal skill, equal gear
..who should win 1v1?

[pine badge]

she

dh*

[nova sentinel]

Really? Why?

[halcyon timber]

every class can beat every class

it's more who made who mess up and was the fight favorable to x in this scenario

[nova sentinel]

Hrm

[halcyon timber]

• People just have real high health and they are moving away from giant hits I guess, no one really knows as things can change but TWW isn't looking to be super bursty either with us rogues in general since we are focused on control. 15% DR gem and the devs saying their focus is on ranked solo queue battlegrounds, I wouldn't expect for silly hehe tHis vIdEo wIlL gEt SubTlEty NeRfed garbage. There are a lot of unknowns and what they envision moving forward but it's kinda up in the air currently.

• People's defensives are really solid , off healing and other things as well. Just a lot of variables and wouldn't say it's safe to say "Subtlety is bad" it's just clear from this expansion moving forward ridiculous stuff like secret doing 40% of someone's life isn't likely to ever happen again and nor should it for the health of our class.

• Not likely to go back to meme damage and maybe get small incremental bumps if they see it necessary. Hero talents will emphasize playstyles and they are probably looking at that and considering that more as that is the next 2 years for us rogues. They are focused on getting that right more so than this "in between" patch, stinks but it's just the way it is. If you enjoy it, stay on it. if you enjoy the others, roll with that. Just my .02 from today and yesterday fighting a good bit of people all over. Subtlety has to evolve because this Ferris wheel every expansion needs to end. Other sources of damage and interactions should happen instead of hyperfixating on dance whether people like it or not.

[pearl pasture]

Thank you @halcyon timber for the detailed response! That helps a lot

[halcyon timber]

I mean it whole heartedly man. I don’t care about rerolling or anything and id rather offer thought out words than immature responses.

[grave basin]

Giving every spec dance probably means if sub doesn't 1hko in a stun , you're better off playing outlaw or assa

Unless it's meme 2s double dps

[halcyon timber]

Its a good thing combat and assa have been asking for it forever

Back in the day

Lots of rogue tools are shared just like other classes are which is also good while still maintaining some individuality

[surreal barn]

Goremaw hits like a truck atm

[halcyon timber]

If someone doesn’t have jack crap you still do damage. Its just not big meme silly damage that people have self conditioned themselves into believing was ok

[surreal barn]

I seent it

[halcyon timber]

A lot of abilities do damage not just goremaws

Seen killing spree do close to 450k as an example and kings bane do a 600k hit

Sepsis is doing good damage as well which is nice

[surreal barn]

I honestly haven’t kept track of my own deeps in shuffle

[grave basin]

Funny because venruki was complaining hard yestd

[halcyon timber]

I just really think people need to stop fixating on shit

[grave basin]

That his mage doesn't do damage

[halcyon timber]

And stop thinking oh if i don’t lill im 5s its bad

Kill in*

Hes cool but he is also one of the ones that is quick to meme or doom when he can’t

[surreal barn]

I’ve heard a lot of the healers are loving it right now

[halcyon timber]

Lots of the youtubers and streamers are

[grave basin]

He's like 25% win rate on shuff lol he's Def mad

[halcyon timber]

Yeah healers are good and i think they are prob collecting a lot of data to find a healthy spot

Healers should be strong but some stuff prob will get dialed back slowly

Gradual changes are better than extreme swings . Hence why things are tuned 3-6% usually. Doesn’t seem like much but add enchants and individual class stuff and yadda yadda it has a larger ripple.

Im just glad there are different playstyles and everything is tuned really closely. Because that is true balance. Memey nonsense cannot coexist and the community as a whole needs to be mature about it instead of “ i cAnt 1 sHot aNymoRe tHis suCks” and acting like an ass

[grave basin]

Wdym I want to the rotten gloomblade + summers for 100k overkill

[halcyon timber]

Haha

Yeah man I love rotten obviously but its about the whole generator style and mixing in damage that makes me happy

[grave basin]

I mean if you wanna press 2 buttons and kill someone in a Dr cheap there's always sod

[gleaming pawn]

you spelled play DH/Monk/Ret wrong 🙂

[jolly sierra]

can notice something

rupture is buffed

its doing more dmg than intended

[grave basin]

Ret has a lot of buttons though

[halcyon timber]

Agreed, it should be complex and things should evolve and the devs did do that beautifully with diverse talents. It shouldn’t be memes and yeah we have confirmation the game is tuned very tightly. Sod can shove it for sure though. Its a shame people sell out and gravitate towards “broken” things and use that as a measure of success. That’s uncool and our guy told us they are purposely not tuning abilities to do ridiculous overtuned damage. Agreed with you whole heartedly though.

[halcyon timber]

Scaling with agility and like what several bleed talents to make it do well on its own right primo?

Ie sanguine blades replicating 25% and other cool stuff assassins get you mean? Yeah there are goofy people running around with 800k life getting destroyed but they need to take initiative and get gear instead of flooding the forums with nonsense

[jolly sierra]

idk

in the former season was more mild

[nova sentinel]

How do you get "tier" gear in PvP? Blending pvp gear?

[grave basin]

Buy the regular conquest gear and catalyse it

Or use the 1600 token

Or vault

[nova sentinel]

Ahhh, you catalyst conquest...I see, ok, ty!

[jolly sierra]

ye

[halcyon timber]

I dunno man , looks like it’s doing what it is supposed to be doing. Nothing is ticking crazy high or anything. Anywhere between 11-25k no?

[jolly sierra]

seems like

but damn

fkn glads

[halcyon timber]

Expected , just shows you know how to operate well

[grave basin]

On the flip side

All of my placement games yestd was with complete beginners

One sub rogue didn't press rupture until I whispered him (nicely)

And he said he hasn't queued in 14yrs

[halcyon timber]

Right on, welcome back to him

[grave basin]

Never flame in shuff unless someone is afking on purpose

[halcyon timber]

I tend to just remain silent for good measure

I turn chat off usually since people choose to be a turd in a pickle jar

Who ?
Focusing x but playing it by ear. Looking for swaps is what i usually respond with

[jolly sierra]

one guy in my match in the last season used insta poison as sub

with like 2k1 rating

and stealthed after applying it

[grave basin]

That's 200iq though if he's on your team

Cause you're alrdy using wound so you don't need two Ms

[jolly sierra]

or maybe i was not going w my rog that time

= D

[wanton breach]

did anyone spam a ton of pvp got a bullion that way?

[grave basin]

Don't think it drops from PvP at all

You have to do the fated raid

But you can queue for it on LFR

[harsh steppe]

@jolly sierra how did your m+ go?

[harsh steppe]

do i need a specific macro for lf stealthies to sap to spam out of gates?
or can i use my regular stealth/sap skill I normally use to sap

[halcyon timber]

Nope , just the sap nearest target one that clears target and attempts to sap whatever you can find. I also use sap on hunters when they feign death .

[harsh steppe]

ok tysm ❤️

[drowsy monolith]

wait is BG blitz rated starting next expansion?

[wise breach]

Yes

[vocal surge]

There's a chance BTE completely bugs out

on the stealth bar

and its far worse in S4 than in S3

and its not on CD because I already spend enough CPs to bring it back up in a stealth window

[vocal surge]

Also getting resets are so good lmao

been getting reset after reset after reset in these games

and coming back punching harder

[nova viper]

Yeees

big W

@jolly sierra seeeexo

[grave basin]

I have a macro that prevents me from using it when not in stealth/dance/subterfuge and it still manages to bug out

Like how

[surreal barn]

What are your shuffle queues like

[steel scarab]

Mine was about 20 minutes

It started at 11 mins estimated time but the actual time was over 20

It ranked me at 2050 so that's probably why

I have played one game so far, I couldn't stand the wait lol

[surreal barn]

I recommend queuing

Even if it’s long

Assa is gonna get nerfed lol

[wanton breach]

huh? why is that?

[surreal barn]

It is destroying the damage meters

[steel scarab]

Why will it get nerfed? They haven't changed anything about the spec. The only thing that felt better was, we all have so many HP that I actually got to use my defensives a second time in most of my matches, which felt nice

Damage doesn't matter in PvP, kills do

[surreal barn]

And I feel immortal unless it’s vs an unwinnable comp

[steel scarab]

If damage was the main factor that dictated nerfs, DHs would've been nerfed into the ground

[surreal barn]

One more win for enchant

Even with the cloak nerf

[steel scarab]

Oh right, the cloak nerf was big too, and I think it was a good nerf

That was by far the best PvP talent we had relative to how hard it was to use. Smoke Bomb is hard to use well; Cloaked in Shadows is brainless

Although I think they could give it something else to take the place of the 100% dodge, now it's practically worthless as a talent

They also need to buff the other PvP talents we have that absolutely nobody uses

[surreal barn]

It is still a great talent

[halcyon timber]

It’s not brainless as you had to face the target or ranged targets .

[surreal barn]

I still use it

[halcyon timber]

Likewise, great tool to escape when needed. Or getting disarmed for the 50th time

[surreal barn]

Vs monks karma is so important

[steel scarab]

Okay I mean, I guess not 100% brainless lol

[halcyon timber]

It wasn’t at all, it took thinking regardless of what other classes lead people to believe.

[harsh steppe]

https://tenor.com/view/i-dont-really-mind-being-alone-bella-swan-kristen-stewart-twilight-loner-gif-18230105

every sub rn

do i need /stopcasting on any of my moves?
i can't think of any moves that are channeled

[gleaming pawn]

Nope

[harsh steppe]

fewf thank you
do i need /stopattack on any of my moves?

[gleaming pawn]

Only place I use stopattack is gouge

[halcyon timber]

Ill use that on abilities like gloomblade so when in out of range and it will just stealth me

Or not eff cc someone randomly friggin did (separate button)

[harsh steppe]

man i love gloomblade i wish i could use it

[halcyon timber]

Gouge stops attacking anyway (built in forever)

[harsh steppe]

oh ok so i don't have to worry about either of them sounds like

[halcyon timber]

You can, it does good damage depending on how you talent and stat. It just doesn’t do meme damage

[harsh steppe]

hmm really? it's not part of my build but lemme check

[nova sentinel]

Why is Iron Stomach not taken in online builds?

[halcyon timber]

Im forever a gloomblade advocate , it pulls its weight as it should.

[halcyon timber]

Its up to you man, it is played a good bit and prob will even more as we are shifting to focusing on team fights in rsrbgs

[harsh steppe]

damn son looking clean

what would i switch out for gloomblade?
and does it not strike more than one opponent anymore? I don't see it in the tooltip

[surreal barn]

Did gloom ever strike more than one?

I only remember replicating shadows for sub

Which was for rupture

[harsh steppe]

ohhh that's what i'm thinking of

yah i see it now i love that talent more for pve tho i think

[grave basin]

how does that stack against shadowflame?

[surreal barn]

I saw someone else’s gold enchant yesterday and mistook it for the s4 illusion

[grave basin]

on the negative side, looks like theyve increased the ilvl to queue lfr for the boullion

[surreal barn]

I think it’s actually not so bad

My favorite is still probably netherflame from bfa

[grave basin]

tfw i skipped all of legion and bfa

[grave basin]

did you craft anything?

[surreal barn]

Yeah I crafted stat boots

[nova sentinel]

I'm a Nightbourne for the aesthetics, should I take advantage of the sale and race change to orc or BloodElf for pvp?

[jolly sierra]

SEXOOOOOOO

[jolly sierra]

what the

u are fast lol

[waxen meteor]

Dear NA Homies

[nova viper]

If you don't want to fight for rank 1 (and that's not always the case), it doesn't matter

[waxen meteor]

400 blood coin world quest pops

Go claim it

[grave basin]

what

theres a sub rogue thats alrdy 2.4k

[halcyon timber]

Works well in both. It exists as an option along with lingering to relive moderate damage on backstab which is an important piece for subtlety through the years instead of hyperfixating on one aspect of our past. The devs did a good job as we have a variety of talents that add into a cumulative effect instead of x just doing fat damage. They did a great job.

[harsh steppe]

what can i take off for gloomblade you think?

[last jasper]

Idk how ppl are able to get there fast. It feels so garbanzo as sub

I mean. It’s doable. But still garbanzo

[halcyon timber]

That is subjective. I like gearing crit and I trade either first dance or planned execution. With that in mind, it matters more about timing and how many combo points you have up on builds.

[halcyon timber]

MmR doesn’t completely reset so they are riding that train to get there. Different if you’re 0 rating at 0 mmr with nothing to help. They gain lile 400 rating yadda yadda, its not like they had to play 200 matches and gain 6 rating.

[last jasper]

Isn’t fresh is starting at 1500?

[harsh steppe]

ok tysm

[waxen meteor]

No

[last jasper]

I mean, 1500 mmr. Pretty sure all my alts were starting from 1500

[waxen meteor]

Not really

[halcyon timber]

Warning signs actually isn’t bad either, helps with shadowcraft stacks but def more noticeable when snd and alacrity are active (meant to be cumulative)

[waxen meteor]

It starts from end of season MMR of previous season

tries to put you back more to 1500 range

but doesn't completely put you back to 1500

Like if you were 2400 MMR, it mostly put you around 1800-1900 range in new season

[halcyon timber]

Yeh man , you have guys going 50/50 because of that and still at 2400 etc atm

[last jasper]

Yea I know u start around 1800-1900 if u played before (unless u were lower)

By fresh I meant really new char

[waxen meteor]

yeah then of course 🙂

[last jasper]

My bad. Just frustrated with current sub

[halcyon timber]

Its unfavorable towards us based upon self conditioned expectations. We still do damage, just the game has become more favorable to others. Not a bad thing, just for the sake of balance and we will just adapt as we always do.

[last jasper]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/962423494648426496/1232767995512750173/image.png?ex=662b50e9&is=6629ff69&hm=b1e7c05d54f9265eb04f0a851264b8d2bc130da3fdc9c7f0c93f8870e0a64726&

[halcyon timber]

A ripple effect has taken place and the summative aspect of it all has lead to this unfortunately but we carry on

Yeah, it is what it is man .

[last jasper]

Yea. Burst class…

[grave basin]

FRESH mmr is like 1700

[halcyon timber]

Yeah but nothing we can do about it other than deal with these cards. Im not going to obsess about meter maid metrics

[grave basin]

i queued outlul for the first time ever and im instantly in 1700 lobby

[halcyon timber]

Right on , dunno what the engineering behind the math is but that’s good information to be mindful of

Maybe blizz is attempting a way to domino effect some things . Dunno , would be interesting to conduct a mass survey as a nerdy research paper

Im interested but limited in time as grad school is super busy

[harsh steppe]

meanwhile

https://tenor.com/view/worst-of-the-worst-worst-lowest-tier-horrible-crappy-gif-14488055

[grave basin]

dont be too hard on yourself

[surreal barn]

The mmr stick is what did it lol

[halcyon timber]

Do not speak badly of yourself, for the warrior that is inside you hears your words and is lessened by them - a japanese proverb

[last jasper]

my warrior inside died after a few shuffles 😄

as sub

[halcyon timber]

Don’t be fooled into meter maid mentality. Pressure occurs other than raw damage

[halcyon timber]

Ignite that fire again. Time to lay out some indignatiom.

[last jasper]

I can turn all meters off. I still can see enemys hp bar not moving while I burst 😄

unless it crits

at least I might try assa this season

[harsh steppe]

why does this rogue have a healing thing next to them like the healer?

[astral snow]

that's me. and I have no idea

[harsh steppe]

LOL are you serious

[astral snow]

yeah dude

[harsh steppe]

omg what are the chances lmaoooo

[astral snow]

haha nuts

[harsh steppe]

ggs btw

[astral snow]

so many rogues and crossing drs. priest was getting mad

[harsh steppe]

ik and he kept saying to go healer i was like dude

[astral snow]

hunter every time!

good luck pushing!

[hidden moth]

how is playing outlaw with kinda high ping (around 100-130)

[astral snow]

anybody here have an RBG group looking for extras?

[gleaming pawn]

Typically that happens when a class uses a healing ability first thing so the addons falsely labels them as a healer. Didn’t think it did that with Rogue but who knows with the addons these days

[harsh steppe]

ahh ok ty

it could be an elvui issue too i'll check with that discord

[surreal ravine]

subtetly still the best for pvp ?

[jolly sierra]

no

[astral snow]

It’s looking like assa is the popular choice atm

[last jasper]

bruh, check dm 😄

[potent pivot]

Probably about the same as most other specs. It does play with a pretty fast pace though if that causes problems for you idk

[surreal barn]

Every spec is solid

[potent pivot]

It’s rotation feels similar to fury warrior’s pace

[gleaming pawn]

Higher ping will most likely lead to bricking your Crackshot windows especially if you’re not careful. It’s painful this season for some reason already without adding lag from ping into the mix

[potent pivot]

Lot of tourney players have played outlaw with somewhat high ping in the past afaik

[last jasper]

Last awc echo were playing with 100+ ping

[lusty meteor]

Assa damage is fun af. I’m not optimal at all but the effort/reward compared to sub is night and day. I do miss being control king and double oops I ****** up let’s vanish buttons though.

[halcyon timber]

Its just preparation more or less reincarnated which was always our thing. Weve been asking for that back for years

[harsh steppe]

let's GOO

[last jasper]

fok>ambush>muti everytime?

[jolly sierra]

congratz

[jolly sierra]

u use fok almost all the time

unless is to avoid breaking ccs or beating a totem

[umbral crest]

How about pets?

[harsh steppe]

ty fran ❤️

[last jasper]

@jolly sierra this shit is op

lmao

[jolly sierra]

yeeeee

[astral snow]

Does playing a lot of rounds of SS make climbing harder? If that makes any sense?

[waxen meteor]

No, why would it make it harder

[gleaming pawn]

What have you done

[harsh steppe]

yes it does, because eventually you get stuck xD

[astral snow]

So like, if I play 200 rounds of SS and then go on a winning streak I won’t climb as much as if I only play 70 rounds

Or will I gain pretty much the same MMR?

[jolly sierra]

dragging a homie to the red team

[surreal barn]

Bear in mind it’s only slower paced rn because everyone is in their greens

[jolly sierra]

yep

[last jasper]

not his fault. blizz made sub a meme

[surreal barn]

It’s going to be crazy in two weeks

[urban cliff]

outlaw feels so shit rn does the 4set really do that much?

[molten imp]

I the season 2 elite set appearance obtainable once more or not?

[jolly sierra]

nuh uh

[molten imp]

F

I thought season 2 looks winning the poll meant we can get it again :/

[jolly sierra]

in pve

unless some guy here can try upgrading the item till duelist and check it out

[slender bay]

Hi! Thinking in trying Rogue u think is worth it this season? What spec do u recommend for random bg and Blitz?

[last jasper]

only the mythic. u still get s3 for 1.8

[molten imp]

Depressing

[gleaming pawn]

Is there any new tech, or just the same assa has been using

[jolly sierra]

no, i said

in shadowlands for example if u upgraded to 2k1 u get elite skins

[molten imp]

Really regret not playing rogue in s2

[jolly sierra]

i did it with a lot of weps

[jolly sierra]

same aoe ol reiliable build

[jolly sierra]

s2 was one of the most rewarding pvp seasons by far

just the illusion w the xmog were enough for the xp

[harsh steppe]

rogue is always worth it

[slender bay]

Wich spec do u think It would be good x Blitz bg?

[stoic spruce]

Yeah

It spoiled us

[harsh steppe]

play the spec you like the most

awesome avatar btw, probably one of the best comics of all time

https://tenor.com/view/superhero-gif-9772041671456283364

[stoic spruce]

Sub

[gleaming pawn]

Assa

You can cap off of Kindey in Blitz unless they change shit before rated release

[slender bay]

Yeah! One of the best comics ever without dubt

[slender bay]

U can only do that with assa?

(im total noob I played Rogue but in cataclysm and i dont remember nothing hahaha)

[harsh steppe]

sub = big burst, run in run out
outlaw = tankiest spec, survivalist
assassin = best sustain, stack bleeds

[jolly sierra]

stack bleeds

[gleaming pawn]

You can do it with any rogue spec, Assa is just good in BGs

Has enough damage to kill 1v1, good group damage, and has good FC kill pressure with damage and smoke bomb

Outlaw can have those things too, but RNG is a cruel cruel bitch so sometimes Outlaw can let you down. Outlaw also doesn’t often pickup Smoke Bomb unless there’s little to no disarmable melee

[slender bay]

Ty all x ir answers im gonna try assa and sub

[quaint cedar]

I forgot how crappy outlaw feels without tier 😦

[stoic spruce]

Really any spec but outlaw

Yeah this season is doa

[jolly sierra]

its lit just day 3 for u guys xd

relax

[stoic spruce]

I refuse to play outlaw without tier

And I'm not playing with the unholy bonus again either

[jolly sierra]

go lfr and try getting one

[quaint cedar]

Guess you can just play at the end of the season then when you can insta convert everything and rating is inflated

[stoic spruce]

That would require me to play outlaw without tier

[jolly sierra]

bruh

[stoic spruce]

What is there to get this season anyway?

[jolly sierra]

if blizz remember to like in last season

[quaint cedar]

lol yeah

at least mmr seems ok right now. I don't think they did a full reset

[jolly sierra]

got scammed after returning in last weeks

fuck

[quaint cedar]

These shuffle queues are so slow though

[stoic spruce]

I think I'll pve with outlaw this season

[quaint cedar]

And after only 3 games I managed to already have a leaver

[jolly sierra]

xd

[stoic spruce]

Push with my non-crackshot build

Yeahhhh

Meme build for meme season

[jolly sierra]

season 3.5

[halcyon timber]

I definitely expect for them to change the flag capping. People get really pissed about it as is.

[quaint cedar]

you will play crackshot and you will like it!

[stoic spruce]

Has there been any fatebound datamines?

[stoic spruce]

NEVER

[quaint cedar]

(I actually do, but sucks that there's no options for people who don't)

[stoic spruce]

Except when I forget to swap.

[quaint cedar]

No fatebound yet from what I've seen

Calling it right now, fatebound and deathstalker will be the last trees revealed

Which means they will be the best right???

[halcyon timber]

Fatebound might be pretty sick honestly. Makes me think of dnd how rogues reverse a bad hand so to speak

[quaint cedar]

I hope so. It has potential for sure.

I've been thinking it will lean into crit a lot, since both outlaw and assa have crit interactions

[shy sapphire]

as outlaw when should I reroll my dices?

[halcyon timber]

Could be crit based for sure that deterministically in a reasonable way mind you , builds up to force a hard hitting interaction

Luck rerolling in dnd is very powerful for rogues as an example and literally turns a session

(Strong rogue ability in dnd)

[gleaming pawn]

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[harsh steppe]

why don’t we have that for subs lol

put me in charge of the sub rot one i’ll do it

[gleaming pawn]

Because sub wants to be special instead of pve-ing people down like everyone else 😛

[harsh steppe]

ahaha

[gleaming pawn]

Honestly, at least in organized 3s, the pve builds and rotations could slap. People just don’t run them because they go for the all in builds

[potent pivot]

There is a sub pve faq as well :d

I didn’t put any rotations in the pvp faq (which is down atm) because in pvp rotations are really situational

Just throwing an opener in there seemed sorta pointless idk

[harsh steppe]

well there are some core rots i think could be added for newer players
as long as it has a small disclaimer notice that it’s just entry it would really help i think 🤔

[gleaming pawn]

Sub players can’t even agree on a best build, how can they ever agree on a core rotation 🙂

[harsh steppe]

multiple rots
ER w flag rot
er rot
flag rot
ez

[gleaming pawn]

Yeah probably, which will suck because that’s the only job a rogue truly has on a base control map

[halcyon timber]

Doesn’t matter what rouges want - forum logic

[halcyon timber]

There is no rotation. Its a priority system and doing damage in between. Always has been , always will.

Right on man

50 ways to burn a house down though

[stoic spruce]

At least we have EFC watch in CTF

[halcyon timber]

New dh tree is out and some insight on mages / monks etc.