pvp

[quaint cedar]

If you're not taking advantage of something that lets you do more damage then you are inherently going to struggle against players that do

[halcyon timber]

Could care less but i hear tou

Players doing player stuff to gain goofy advsntage thst gets fixed then reee fun detected

When it wasn’t intended

[quaint cedar]

And it's good that players are doing it en mass because it gets dev attention, as opposed to just a few abusers that fly under the radar

[halcyon timber]

Yeah like the elemental shaman 1 button software glitch garbage or all the boost cheese and such

Im at a point where i hate everyone literally

[waxen meteor]

The current DH design is so dumb that forces you to do a lot of unnecessary moves

Like in order to do dmg

[halcyon timber]

F dh anyway

Could care less about those rats

[waxen meteor]

You have to jump back and rush forward to same location

Then attack

[quaint cedar]

Yeah DH design seems terrible to me

I can't gel with that class at all

[halcyon timber]

They are like rets, if they aren’t smoking the crap out of people then they say the game is bad

[quaint cedar]

Can't even get it to max level I just hate it so much

[waxen meteor]

Like I mean rogue/warrior/ret seems to have a very nice core design

[halcyon timber]

Legion was the dumbest crap ever

Dh was flat out dumb

[waxen meteor]

Rogue is more hit and run, warrior needs to stay with energy all the time to deal big dmg, ret supports

[quaint cedar]

Hunter is another one that is flawed design at its core

[waxen meteor]

DH seems to be missing a core concept

[halcyon timber]

What is “wrong” with hunter? Honest question

Please speak in rogue words team

From experience, not hear say

[quaint cedar]

So I'll start with MM

[halcyon timber]

F that mm on thr rogue forums

He doesn’t count

[spring bough]

i love my BM hunter

[waxen meteor]

I think s2 DH is fairly good and feeling natural to play

[spring bough]

i spam one button and that is 80% of my overall damage

and i bind it to my mouse so i can one hand it

LMFAO

[waxen meteor]

And you build yourself around iconic skill eyebeam like illidan

[halcyon timber]

XD

Illidan is cool

[waxen meteor]

Now after rework it’s just so inhuman

[halcyon timber]

But dh arent, they disrespect the mans legacy

[quaint cedar]

It's a very flawed spec that relies too much on gimmicky amounts of damage to succeed. Without extremely high damage, it does almost no damage into plate, but for it to do acceptable damage to plate it has to do way too much to cloth. It doesn't have the tools that rogue has to survive long matches, so it needs to do oppressive amounts of damage to be useful. It's a spec designed designed around kiting that utterly fails to kite most melee, especially double melee in shuffle or 3s.

[halcyon timber]

Mm has to hit hard w aimed shot, that is the whole point of them

[quaint cedar]

BM is just a badly designed spec because it does way too much unavoidable pet damage, not much more to say there

[halcyon timber]

Its not a rogue so they shouldn’t have rogue tools or rogue like things

Hunters gave defense

Tbey also don’t kite for shit

Or use traps

Kiting and cds are king

[quaint cedar]

Survival is the only hunter spec that seems to feel ok design wise. It has moderate skill floor and high skill ceiling. Biggest thing I don't like about survival is the bombs....doesn't feel very hunter.

[halcyon timber]

A good hunter mitigates all damage that way

Pain in tbe ass class

[quaint cedar]

No dude hunter defensives are legit dog

[halcyon timber]

Kiting ans cds

Not shit ass turtle that no one cares about

[quaint cedar]

Right but that all falls apart when you have double melee chasing you

Or rets hitting you from 30 yds away

[waxen meteor]

MM is sort of classic design

[halcyon timber]

Yes but then have to throw down traps and do crazy stuff like my grandfather in ww2

[waxen meteor]

It’s good

[quaint cedar]

And aimed shot is just a skill that handicaps MM because it's too long of a cast time. Who thought it was a good idea for a kiting spec to plant their feet and cast a 2 second spell?

So they end up relying on rapid fire which gets degenerate

[halcyon timber]

An actual hunter who laces a field with traps where melee cannot touch you doesnt take damage

Yeah rapid fire is dumb but /shrug

[quaint cedar]

Well you asked for experience, I'm just telling you what MM feels like when I try it

It feels like an absolute mess of a spec

[halcyon timber]

Yes but someone who eat sleeps and breathes it will do some stuff differently

[quaint cedar]

I think you are confusing "performing well" with "good design". They are not the same. A spec can perform well in the meta and be poorly designed

[halcyon timber]

Like soulscape as an example

They aren’t the same

[quaint cedar]

I'm not saying MM is bad in the meta. Its very strong, but its badly designed

[halcyon timber]

But a hunter can use a lot of different tools to mitigate

They don’t need 5 fuckin walls to be good

Its the same in dnd

[quaint cedar]

No of course not

I don't think MM should have strong defensives

[halcyon timber]

Hunters don’t have a lot of stuff but they have different forms of utility

[waxen meteor]

Hunter has very limited defensive

[quaint cedar]

However I do think it needs to not rely on 2 seconds casts to do damage when it is a kiting spec

[waxen meteor]

Mm is basically a glass cannon

[halcyon timber]

Hunters sit like a turd in the middle of a candy bowl and never kite / pull people into traps etc then die and whine

[waxen meteor]

Sniper

[halcyon timber]

As it should be a cool sniper guy dude

[quaint cedar]

MM has one of the most polarizing matchup spreads in the game.
Mage = auto win
ret = auto lose
its dumb

[waxen meteor]

To be honest I think hunter requires a lot of skill and vision

[halcyon timber]

It does

For sure

Done well its nasty

[quaint cedar]

Yeah hunter is way harder than people give it credit for

[halcyon timber]

Fkin around and they lose

[quaint cedar]

Honestly one of the hardest classes

[halcyon timber]

Just sit there and take a whooping from warriors and they are screwed

Binding arrow being an on demand stun and blasting shit or whatever the french fried fk its called

Tar rooting out if los

Tons of cool shit

Annoying ass steel trap , all has to be set up well

They have lots of tools, they just don’t use them

[quaint cedar]

Warrior is another class that feels wrong to me. Not necessarily for balance/gameplay, but fantasy. A warrior should be doing huge damage when they connect with you. But warriors have such stupid mobility now that their damage isn't very threatening. Arms is a sustain damage spec that wins through attrition. This feels so wrong. A plate wearing juggernaut should be easy to kite but do huge damage when they connect with you.

[halcyon timber]

They have that new stun in pvp too but don’t take it and whine about it

[quaint cedar]

Warrior needs to lose some mobility and get much more threatening damage imo

[halcyon timber]

Warrior is threatening

[waxen meteor]

Great hunters are super nightmares for casters

[quaint cedar]

It's such a boring class right now, both to fight against and to play

[waxen meteor]

Like they can literally shoot you out of your range but in their range all day

[halcyon timber]

Warrior blade storm by itself will 50% you

[quaint cedar]

Warrior is threatening when you reach 90% dampening

[halcyon timber]

Warr doesnt need shit

[quaint cedar]

Boring

[waxen meteor]

I am not able to control distances that good

[quaint cedar]

Yup hunters are a nightmare for most casters

[halcyon timber]

Yeah hunters can be nasty

[quaint cedar]

When I was grinding solo shuffle on my rdruid this season it was so frustrating how many times I'd get a MM hunter and mage in the same lobby

[halcyon timber]

Heh

[quaint cedar]

Mage is just dying 100% of the time

[spring bough]

kill commands a 50 yard range that is so nasty lol. isnt that more than most casters too?

[halcyon timber]

They are like 40 yards

Evoker is 25 due to mobility and other shit they have

Preservation is 30 yards

[waxen meteor]

Yeah last season marksman is so deadly to mage

[halcyon timber]

Mm mastery is pretty cool

[waxen meteor]

Like you literally dead from 90% with 2 global

[halcyon timber]

Long ass distance they can hit from

[spring bough]

sniper shot pew pew

[halcyon timber]

Reminds me back in the army days

Range day was fun most of the time

[spring bough]

double rogue killing ret and dk in skirmish feels so good lol

[jolly sierra]

ww monk = autowin

[halcyon timber]

Ret and that dk are literally anti rogue classes but will gripe anyway

“Just IBF at 30% bro trust me”

[nova viper]

dont worry

nerf

comming

xD

[spring bough]

shhhhh not happening

we getting rating before that happens this week

[halcyon timber]

Zero reason to when other classes burst harder

[nova viper]

to much crybaby on reddit

[spring bough]

ima have to grind all weekend before next tuesdays nerf lol

[nova viper]

[jolly sierra]

mm hunt is pretty bad designed if they have a fkn cd which can get 50% total HP from u and pass through los

[halcyon timber]

Reddit isn’t official or a good source for anything

[spring bough]

me and some rogue ripped like 10 wins earlier and i was like bro lets hit up rated on tuesday and he goes i dont think it works.... like man we just went 10-0 lmaooo

[halcyon timber]

Rogue still requires 2 stuns minimum

[jolly sierra]

and w a secured chance to hit like 60k as min

[halcyon timber]

You aren’t dying in 1 kidney shot

6 seconds is slow compared to most of the “consistent damage” classes where they are smoking people in 2-3 sec

Rogue is good where it is, we don’t need changes

[worthy crag]

ive seen 2500+ DKs trinket on gouge and IBF on the first stun of the game when I haven't committed a single CD

and they wonder why they get punished on the next stun dr

bEtTeR PosT oN FoRuMss RoG OP!!@

[halcyon timber]

XD

Apes man, just w bunch of ape classes expecting us to fight like them.

Rets pming you calling you every name in 14 languages to come out and “fight him like a man”. Ok mr ret

We have our win condition, and you have yours pressing W and eating poptarts

[frigid surge]

what are the openers for sin in pvp now. losing MfD threw my brain for a loop

[spring bough]

82k BTEs on a warrior doesnt feel too bad

can still get them down lol

[halcyon timber]

That is pretty solid and the dispatch that rolls out too on crackshot

[spring bough]

i just did a solo and went full resto druid and killed him by myself lol

while my teammate was fighting the dps

lmfao

[halcyon timber]

Its a 9% damage increase and gm was changed to give 5% anyway

[spring bough]

petition for find weakness back lol

[waxen meteor]

After sapping healer I try to open side dps with cheap shot and garrote, then back to main kill target for garrote and kidney. Then start with bone shiv er to create slice and dice at low cp and refresh it and ruptures

[halcyon timber]

If last season dispatch hit for 80k and now you’re adding a bte on top of that then

[waxen meteor]

Pretty long start now

[halcyon timber]

You are infact doing more damage now vs last season

[spring bough]

my average dispatch is around 70k for crit

its a little less for the crack proc

[halcyon timber]

So 150k total each time

[spring bough]

its 75% normal dmg

[frigid surge]

ah so not as aggressive (probably the wrong word I'm looking for) an opener?

[spring bough]

but yeah its probably combined 150k for crits on crack shot

maybe more

maybe with more gear close to 200k

[halcyon timber]

Night stalker also snapshots during crackshot

So you get another 10% and 5% from gm

As an example

[waxen meteor]

Well I think we are not able to be super aggressive anyway now at open..

It’s still solid dmg

[frigid surge]

Yeah thats what I was wondering

cause in the pve rotation

you have a bunch of steps to set up damage before your burst started

so def back to the warriors with poison and kidney playstyle ha

damage revolves around setting up to get huge kingsbane damage, right?

[halcyon timber]

One way of doing it yes

Most goofy thing in the game is UA dispelling and oblivion.

[wintry dew]

So i started doing some SS on my boosted warrior (now full pvp gear)

and i gotta say

i love zugzug

[spring bough]

zug zug is right with wars lol

[wintry dew]

xD

I do wonder why my MMR is so high

since its a boosted character

[jolly sierra]

dunno but matches are EZ af now with out season

[sour heron]

Hey guys, I am neurodivergent (Learning disability) I love pikaboo and other rogue streamers because they make such cool plays and make it look so easy. I am wondering if I should learn rogue too? I am new to wow and I'm wondering if I can also hit Gladiator this season because rogues seem really OP

[rose wigeon]

anyone been playing with good arena builds for assass?

[wintry dew]

Rogue isnt easy, you need to learn a lot about DR's, when to burst, control, unlike warriors or DK's where you smash your head in the keyboard and achieve a pretty decent rank.
I'm not a r1 rogue (i wish) but i hit 1.8 consistently and managed duelist once as a rogue but i've been playing this class for years now.
If you are new to wow but are used to pvp in other games, you might be able to quickly learn how to pvp.
Rogue is a really fast class, be aware of that.

Also, mistakes as a rogue, are quickly more punisheable than with other classes (thats my opinion)

[rose wigeon]

the answer is yes. you should learn it, its a super fun and rewarding class 🙂 but dont go into the season wanting glad because its OP, because it is not OP by any stretch in a casuals hands, just focus on enjoying the spec, learning, and pushing

[wintry dew]

Looking at pikaboo as a reference is so "bad". The guy is literally a god

We cant compare to him as mere mortals

[sour heron]

Ohh ok haha, because my friend who is also neurodivergent (autistic) he got Gladiator in season 1 on his first season trying so I thought it was easy. I am still new to wow so I don't know anything

[wintry dew]

It's so hard to believe what you just said but hey there are people that are born to fucking pvp xD

[sour heron]

Is 1.8 hard? Is it normal to take years to get there?

[wintry dew]

It depends on the person behind the keyboard

Some people find 1.8 extremely duable, even go higher to 2.1 or 2.4

Some can't reach 1.8 in 1000/2000 games

(we had examples unfortunately)

[sour heron]

Ok haha I was just reading that rogues are always op so I thought it would be easy

[wintry dew]

The most important part of pvp, besides knowing what your class can do, is what other classes can do to you and how to counter them

[jolly sierra]

i recall this guy

[spring bough]

this new DH pvp set looks pretty cool ngl

[jolly sierra]

was the guy which got 2k1 w outlaw as disabled

in s3

memory doesnt fades

btw the computer its finished

im installing shit

[wintry dew]

OHH

2.4 incoming

The Panda rogue is coming home

[jolly sierra]

finally

and im able to screen shit in HD

now lol

lemme do a test

how does look now? lol

[halcyon timber]

Rogues aint op, people just expect us to fight like them. We don’t, they have different win conditions and so do we.

[strange stag]

i secret tech still a go to talent as sub in pvp ?

[halcyon timber]

Yes that is an option

[strange stag]

option... so is any other option viable ? like other build

[waxen meteor]

Yeah there are rogues giving up ST but I guess most still take it

[strange stag]

i dont rly like the talent but if its not viable othervise then will take it

[waxen meteor]

The main argument is if cold blood evis with finality can do similar dmg as cold blood ST without danse

[halcyon timber]

Its still solid

Take what you like for real

[waxen meteor]

Yeh

[halcyon timber]

Still going to do the job, it is still good

[waxen meteor]

And I think it really depends on how you want to arrange you last 10 talent points on sub tree

[halcyon timber]

Yep

Some help focus it , some allow for other things to aid in not “needing” that

I prefer to have a mix of stuff instead of all into that

[waxen meteor]

Each point in last three rows of sub tree matters tbh

All has quite good value and drives some differences of your play style

[halcyon timber]

Agreed

[waxen meteor]

If you want to pass ST, you can probably try two points at finality + bite + rotten build. Just CB second evis instead of ST

[halcyon timber]

Lots of variations on stuff you value

[wintry dew]

wtf is this

I JUST

[waxen meteor]

Arms OP

[wintry dew]

CLICK STUFF

[waxen meteor]

Off season solo is weird

Try next week more seriously

[wintry dew]

i will but on rogue first

[jolly sierra]

ME SMASH

[halcyon timber]

Dark brew side is also solid if you truly want to focus on finishers as that will amp secret technique a little as well in addition to all things shadow for a good bonus. There are a lot of different customization options you can do and can’t really go wrong for relatively the same damage just in different ways. Realz and his team did a great job .

[jolly sierra]

still recall SL S3 farming 2k1 xmogs

got the dk and warr one

dont recall what happened w rog tbh

ah no was in s4 with shuffle

farmed everything

even druid xmogs

[wintry dew]

now thats a power move

[strange stag]

is cold blooding bite not good ?same cd aswell and hits well

[worthy crag]

Are you trying to avoid taking rotten?

If you have the rotten there's no reason to use CB for bite

In fact it will do less damage because rotten also buffs it by 35% on top of guaranteeing crit

[halcyon timber]

Its 21% in pvp

But correct

Its the same damage as going the right side and picking up deeper daggers / dark brew / veil touched. So the alternate way is cold blooding it for sure.

[waxen meteor]

If you have rotten you don’t need to cold blood it

[cursive umbra]

can someone for the love of god explain these fcking items, again!?!

what i mean is

WHY oh god WHY do blizzard give us an item that always contain the same item

just give us the item straight away

so annoyed

i dont care that its caped per week, that only matters first weeks anyway

[waxen meteor]

I got a big chunk of this and I don’t even know what does it do

[cursive umbra]

its just so annoying to get an item you click for the same item, just give us the fcking item straight away, theres 0 variance in it

we get it

[halcyon timber]

Chance for mounts / cosmetic armor/ pokemon out of them no?

Might also be some stuff that is not obtainable until the season starts

[cursive umbra]

we ended up with hundreds and hundreds of bags in s2, this is just the same but a different icon

wont do fck all and just takes time to open

[strange stag]

so instead of ST, ppl take flaggelation, when should i use it when bursting ?

[waxen meteor]

I think very few takes flag so far

[waxen meteor]

Think you might get blueprint or whatever on top of it

[halcyon timber]

Yes flag on burst if talented and make sure to keep doing damage after to make use of the stacks as it contributes a lot

Id argue the damage after when flag stacks are settled are pretty inportant. Depending how you build, flagellation can do considerable hits per flog

Mind you flagellation grants 2% down from 2.5% mastery per flog but you can still add a very good chunk to emphasize finisher damage if that is what you dig

Its still a good talent for sure

Sepsis is also solid for all 3 rogues as it snapshots NS (a ptr fix) and counts for ambushes but not empowered garrote as far as i know.

[exotic dove]

I like using Sepsis as Sub but seeing as Sepsis is a choice node for bonespike with Assa I generally don't like giving bonespike up. Kind of wish it wasn't a choice node I liked using Sepsis a bunch as Assa back in SL

[halcyon timber]

Yeah it was a good call on their own for balance reasons though

[exotic dove]

I currently am not specced into sepsis as sub at the moment in a build that I think I like better so far

[halcyon timber]

Right on glad you found something you love brother

I do like sepsis but not using it currently as i dig other things more

[exotic dove]

Yeah but it could have been put on a better choice node I dont see a place where I really trade bonespike for it

[halcyon timber]

Not sure, active ability vs semi active

[exotic dove]

Yeah I Dont know what they would put it with but I would as of right now not trade bonespike for it

[halcyon timber]

Prob came down to “dmg budget” type ordeal

[exotic dove]

probably

[halcyon timber]

Yeah will end up being a play style difference that is up to the player

Ex: emphasizing poisons, shiv et al., would definitely amp the crap out of sepsis

And venomous wounds etc for a variable damage bonus (16-20% or something like that not including duplicated effects of garrote / rupture via death mark or sanguinary blades ? (Im unsure)

Or whatever that talent is called that allows for the 2% per bleed + poison effect up

[exotic dove]

Speaking of sanguine blades sorry to kind of switch the page here. When Honor gear comes out I want to test it again with maybe 12% haste and seeing if it feels better. I did confirm it doesnt break stealth anymore like Nahj said but I did feel energy somewhat energy starved

[waxen meteor]

I feel spesis is at a awkward position in sub tree?

Like in order to reach it, you sort of have to take 15% double SS/Backstab one

[halcyon timber]

Yep and that’s fine, there should be difficult placements to balance things out . I still use WM as a personal choice even though it is 50% in pvp.

[waxen meteor]

what is WM?

[halcyon timber]

Yeah it prob will require haste a little. Tier set is very good as energy flows better with the 2 piece

[halcyon timber]

Weaponmaster

Assassins have the highest potential burst, they just need time for things to sink in

All 3 of us are in a good spot but not ridiculous. Were were monitored and tuned a lot on ptr

Lots of things you have to look at while in bgs and such / hitting your pvp dummy. Lots of stuff is tuned down in pvp. When we get full gear, peoples lives will outlast the stuff rogues do. We aren’t killing anyone in a single kidney shot .

[waxen meteor]

What I hate about dummy is that it doesn't allow me to use shadow duel

There's literally no reason we can't do shadow duel to PvP dummy

[halcyon timber]

Its mechanical, that’s why i guess

Mechanical types are immune to a lot of cc

Why it was a pain in the butt back in wrath with hunters

Ex: dummy is immune to blind

Can’t remember what the heck mechanical pets were immune to back in the day

[waxen meteor]

btw, the 2tier set for sub seems very broken, is it @halcyon timber ?

it does 70% of all finishers ?

[halcyon timber]

Nope, its 35% in pvp and it happens “sometimes “

Ot does like 20-30k in pvp even on big hits

[waxen meteor]

ok, but is it a true 35% after all modifiers?

or like 35% of initial dmg before any modifiers like 5% magic, 6% danase etc.

[halcyon timber]

Yes and no as it doesn’t double dip . They tuned it a lot on ptr

It’s whatever you hit at X time replicates

Kinda like shadowed finishers

[waxen meteor]

ok

[halcyon timber]

A clone hops out around a 30% chance. It felt like 1 in 5 finishers usually hit and sometimes it would proc do 2-3 x within 5 finishers

[waxen meteor]

I see, so roughly 30% of the finishers will do about 1.35 times dmg

[halcyon timber]

The rupture part was dumb as it could replicate multi times as they fixed that and extended the dot instead

Yes sir exactly

Its still good but it isn’t ridiculous

Id say assassins 4 set is nastier as it is guaranteed regardless of points spent

Just maintain envenom and it slams . Does around another 100k on ptr

[waxen meteor]

if we talk about ST, the 1.35 gets applied to each hit with 30% chance? or if it triggers, it *1.35 for all three hits

[exotic dove]

They just buffed assa four set again too even though small.

[halcyon timber]

Doesn’t work on ST

Only evisc rupture and powder

Yeah small bumps are good, they aren’t supposed to be major swings

I believe it was 4%? You add that into all the other poison “potential” modifiers and you’re cooking with diesel instead of charcoal

[exotic dove]

Yeah it was 4%

[waxen meteor]

Damn, had to re-log in to see sin's tier set

[exotic dove]

To the single target

[waxen meteor]

change spec still shows me old spec tier set

[halcyon timber]

Yeah the envenom bomb is filthy af

Lots of good chunk leech from it too

[waxen meteor]

It's very hard for me to tell by the text

[halcyon timber]

You can just throw 2 pts in for a cruddy envenom and nuke with the tier set instead

[waxen meteor]

the text just says do 10k natural dmg

it reads weak as fuck

[halcyon timber]

Yeah its def not that in full gear

It gets amped by 150% in single target or some jazz like that i think

And add all your poison stuff in

It really really really hurts

Lots of stuff will change though as people have more life, use cds instead of at 40% panicking, and a good healer.

Locks flat out didn’t die with full gear , could heal a good bit and would chaos bolt you for 700k sometimes on ptr

Enhance def the same with elemental blast and 1 stormkeeper would do around 500k when all 3 bolts went off

We only have 865k life so yeah , rogue aint the problem. Our damage has to be good.

[marble oasis]

To clarify the buff is insignificant at best. They did it purely to make the tooltip nice and round.
Even in pve it was a damage alp of 0.27%
#assassination message

[fast cargo]

Yeah tier set for assa this season sucks. Just gonna run conquest/crafted gear and max out mastery

[marble oasis]

however that being said i do think the 4 set will be stronger than people think.

and using it for even 1 point envenoms could be the play

[waxen meteor]

That also means you gotta pick ER for sin

[spring bough]

BM has to be the easiest class to farm tokens on

think i got 1k in under 30 min

thal is going nuts right now

[waxen meteor]

Blood token?

[spring bough]

yeah lol

[waxen meteor]

Well I think we really don’t need blood token now

You can’t upgrade with trophy now

So you just simply buy with trophy

[jolly sierra]

times change

[waxen meteor]

You need a bigger screen!

[jolly sierra]

whaaaaaaaaat? its bigger enough lol

[twilit swan]

any 10.2 updated builds ?

[waxen meteor]

Make at least 32 inches!

Yours looks like a 27 or 24

[jolly sierra]

24

lol

[tame rivet]

24 is alright id say, also depends on your usual distance from it

but grab 2 👀

[fervent shell]

I'm about 6"

[tame rivet]

dam, das unplayable, 6 is too small

[waxen meteor]

go 30+ 4K！

[white gazelle]

Why venruki saying outlaw is insane right now

[jolly sierra]

no moni huehuehue

[spring bough]

how did outlaw end up the the s++++ tier lol

[waxen meteor]

Didn’t watch, Venruki just posted an hour ago

[spring bough]

damn now its gonna be on peoples radars lol

[waxen meteor]

I felt similar in some of the S tier dps specs

Other than arm just being weak in skirmish without healer I can’t feel anything

[spring bough]

im playing BM right now and its dirty going to be even more crazy when dire beasts do kill command

[waxen meteor]

BM dmg seems quite high but I don’t know why

[spring bough]

cause when you press kill command its like avg 100k

and u just spam it lmfao

[waxen meteor]

[halcyon timber]

Who gives a flip what non rogues say about roguing

Regardless of “who they are”

[waxen meteor]

Haha that tier list is just for fun

[halcyon timber]

Spreading propaganda for dumb dumbs to gossip more

[waxen meteor]

I am basically checking no rogue part tbh

[halcyon timber]

Fun is good, people tend to lean into things too much and spread that nonsense our way

[waxen meteor]

I can’t understand all specs

So have a general impression in fast food mode

[halcyon timber]

Yeah i do this mini game thing where i stalk classes around

[waxen meteor]

[halcyon timber]

Been doing it for years dunno why

Then i watch what stuff does

But i also read a lot and read all the updates and talents /shrug

[waxen meteor]

Which starts to require significant more time and energy

[halcyon timber]

I don’t like going into wtfish was that?

Yeah agreed but seeing it is a different type of learning

[waxen meteor]

Yeah that’s why I just straight playing the alts

[halcyon timber]

Im definitely a visual and auditory learner

[waxen meteor]

But maintaining 10+ char is impossibility

[halcyon timber]

I learn by fighting them and watching them

Yeah I don’t do alts, that would drive me nuts

[spring bough]

BM is ridic my pet just tanked the boss for isle of conq lol

[west bolt]

where acn i find pvp builds

[waxen meteor]

Well that’s sort of from original wow

I remember in TBC/WLK when you are leveling on world map, most likely you wont be able to beat hunter’s pet

And hunters don’t bother to team up with anyone for elite mission that requires team..

[potent pivot]

oh snap

got a desktop pc?

[white gazelle]

Idk sub looks better so I’m confused by the list

[tame rivet]

you should scroll up and see what tier outlaw's in rn 👀

[exotic dove]

I don't agree with where Outlaw is I personally think its worse than Sub and assa. I agree with Assa Being A Tier

[halcyon timber]

All relative to how the rogue’s team is able to work with the rogue

If people fool around and dr , we aren’t gonna have a good time

We aren’t doing jack if people wait and cc us a lot .

Healers having access to a 90s trinket also tightens windows even more

Enhance will be a menace as well

Same w feral, just really depends on the player

Frost mage is the same, deep freeze if used well can change crap a lot along w all the other tools. Locks will remain strong and not get touched .

[gritty heart]

poor frost Dks

[gritty heart]

i think frost need big rework

[worthy crag]

did they say anything about inflation level going forward in season 3?

Think they once said they were unhappy with how slowly they were inflating mmr at the start of s2

[sharp sierra]

They will probably scuff the entire season again and people will only play in the last week again !!

[jolly sierra]

ye yeeee

[exotic dove]

I would hope since they saw that last season when they capped and deflated mmr in the beginning that that wouldnt happen again

[jolly sierra]

its going very well ngl

i just need to get used to the keyboard and its over

[sharp sierra]

You would hope so lmao but I don’t have faith in whoever is pulling levers

[worthy crag]

Anyone know what tier of crests is awarded from pvp activities?

[halcyon timber]

Good question, not exactly sure on that as I didn’t find out on ptr since it was all max rank.

[jolly sierra]

whoa now its fine

[waxen meteor]

Welcome to 2020 games

you were playing with 2000 era video quality?

[jolly sierra]

ye lol

sec lemme check

see

[waxen meteor]

Yeah that’s even worse, that’s 90s

[jolly sierra]

oof

[waxen meteor]

I am guessing with better video card you probably could pull camera further up in area

[jolly sierra]

im using the integrated from the processor

[potent pivot]

damn the 2023 model pandas

[jolly sierra]

furry spotted

hhhhhhhhhhhha

well at least now i can record shit

lets see if i can upload 1v2 skirmishes lol

[potent pivot]

absolutely not

[jolly sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/jahy-sus-jahy-sama-critzune-gif-25357219

[worthy crag]

doing the human heritage quest and noticed Vanessa, the rogue NPC from legion, buffs me with a "alchemist vial"

Rogue support spec foreshadowing much?

[jolly sierra]

maybe is just a crimson vial

XD

alright i installed warcraft recorder

hope this shit works

[potent pivot]

could just use nvidia shadowplay

idr if it works for really long recordings tho, been a while

[jolly sierra]

it resulted

but im not showing the match

XD

played like shit, but still works

lol

alright now i can record my shit just in case

[halcyon timber]

Heh alchemy has always been involved in rogue stuff. That’s how we made poisons back in the day afterall. Also how a lot of rogue stuff is done in dnd and other games too.

[stoic spruce]

Is it cpu intensive?

[jolly sierra]

seems like

lemme see the config

think so

[nova viper]

@jolly sierra sexooo

[jolly sierra]

SEXOOOOOOOOO

[nova viper]

sup my spanish boooy

[jolly sierra]

tsup my german homie

im just testing this before going to bed kek

[minor cape]

panda your wow sounds like a spanish meme

[wary spire]

Venruki mentioned, day ruined.

[marsh ridge]

So, about embellishments. which one do you think that we should craft for Sub PVP?

[nova viper]

Im from poland man

[stoic bear]

Hi guys, Im struggling with doing damage as an Outlaw, I asked my question here #outlaw message

If you could give me a hand it would be awesome, thank you in advance

[wanton breach]

your ilvl is rather low, stats and weapon dps are very important in pvp - i can't say for sure how it will be in the new season but vers+mastery was a lot of passive damage

[unkempt folio]

Guys do u think vers>mastery still are best stats for outlaw?

[wary spire]

Was mastery used on law before?

[pliant delta]

Some folks r saying vers/crit. All up in air abit at the mo. Atm I running main gouache talents and it doing top 3 damage on meter. I just waiting for more clarity myself.

[wary spire]

I remember it being different from sin and sub.

[pliant delta]

Outlaw does "feel" lush tho...that's for sure.

[wintry dew]

https://www.reddit.com/r/worldofpvp/s/Sks7E0fA3z

Wtf is wrong with people xD

[wary spire]

Just a word of caution, outlaw is one of those specs that when it's good it feels amazing, but when it's bad it feels terrible.

fucking kek.

What isn't "one of those specs".

"Yeah I'm doing no damage in die in seconds but hoo boy that rotation is fire!"

[minor cape]

nah some specs don't feel nearly as bad when bad tbh

like destro

like at least you know if you do everything right someones face will melt

[wary spire]

I think he meant "it's a complicated spec".

And like if reward isn't there - why bother.

[minor cape]

i unsubbed btw but hopefully will join yall someday again

🫡

[wary spire]

Good call.

[minor cape]

whats with gamers calling bad specs complicated

😩

[wary spire]

If we get a nerf before we're even in honor gear you can keep your money.

[wary spire]

Because you need to pump more effort into a bad spec to get similar results.

Although I don't know how people would call bm if it stops eating faces.

[vital void]

sub os people the first week > nerf 3x > go back to cc bots for whatever wizard is meta > new patch comes out > repeat

[minor cape]

i played some coop and single player games, remembered that instead of waiting for 30 minutes to play 10, you can actually just play for 40 minutes

decided that its time to drop wow for now

lol

[minor cape]

thats why they call it sub

[vital void]

must be why

[thick slate]

Bros

i cant lose duels on sub after the rework

i havent lost a single duel

the spec is insane now

atleast in 1v1s

was already insane but now its even more insane. Goremaw's just another method to one shot and it has little to no counter play

[minor cape]

cmon man sub was autowin in a duel

last patch too

except against a very good mage

[thick slate]

Yeah mages were aids, good warriors were hard aswell, afflocks with the degen drain life build also were impossible

good SPs felt hard

but now its just smooth sailing

[wary spire]

I get it, ye. I like screwing around in cyberpunk.

But sometimes I just want to fly around and mine ore, listening to podcasts.

[minor cape]

exactly the single player one i played

🤪

[minor cape]

yeah but everyone runs out of cooldowns and you just rat around in stealth

[wary spire]

Have you tired throwing knives? They're amazing.

[minor cape]

no i just played through the whole game as sandevistan + double barrel

[wary spire]

Ye sandy's bis.

[minor cape]

this game was great on release (at least i liked it), but now it's insanely good

[wary spire]

My first playthrough was with quickhacks and it was good. But so sloooow.

With sandy I get the same results but quicker.

[minor cape]

berserk is also cool if you play melee

[wary spire]

Naaah.

[minor cape]

but i dont

😎

[wary spire]

I don't like the filter.

[minor cape]

yeah, that's annoying lol

cyberpsycho filter is cool

🤪

[wary spire]

Sandy is bis for melee.

Because it doesn't slow down your attacks.

[minor cape]

that's the point of it tho

[wary spire]

And you're practically immortal in it anyway.

[minor cape]

except sometimes it bugs out and then it does slow down your attacks somehow

or reloads

[wary spire]

Berserk "should" be bis for melee. But it isn't.

[minor cape]

it doesn't slow time, if it did tho it would be bis

[wary spire]

Sandy's good for everything. Melee range stealth.

[minor cape]

do you use that implant that slows down time when you aim while charging?

it is so fucking awkward to use

[wary spire]

Berserk is just zug zug that puts you in a bad situation when it ends.

[minor cape]

this is what melee wants

:((((((((((((((

to zug!!!

[wary spire]

It doesn't work with throwing knives and machetes. So no.

[minor cape]

ahhh

i thought it would when aiming a knife

[wary spire]

Nope. Would be dope tho.

The capstone for knives was made for that slowdown. But we don't get it.

[minor cape]

while everyone is doing pvp with wow players we are doing pvp with cdpr for making berserk shitty

😎

[wary spire]

Yepp.

I mean it sounds good in theory. But in practice it's crap.

[minor cape]

adam smasher when edaniel shows up with kitchen knives:

[wary spire]

Adam smasher pov

Kinda looking forward to kicking his ass again. Before the patch he was too ez.

[minor cape]

he is stronger now but only because he has immunity windows between phases lol

[wary spire]

Laaaame

[minor cape]

and if you just stand in one place and shoot him he oneshots you with a missile

cause he has a chance to enable them now lol

but he just dies in two full sandevistans

[wary spire]

I wish he smashed me with his ass.

[minor cape]

he can also now stomp you

yes

[wary spire]

Wait for real?

[minor cape]

or grab and shoot you for big dam

yes

[wary spire]

They did the meme?

That's awesome.

[minor cape]

well not like saul or rogue lol

he kinda

jumps on you

[tight ledge]

Any good sub pvp build thats recommended?

[harsh kiln]

you can use this as a base

BUQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAkQAAAAAAItkkUSkQUSEiAkkkkkUSJRSpkkkEiAKRAAAAIIJA

[stoic bear]

Do you guys know any good pvp outlaw guide?

[sharp sierra]

Rogue

Subtlety
Goremaw's Bite damage has been reduced by 40% in PvP combat.

[wary spire]

What.

Where

[sharp sierra]

sike!

lool

[humble escarp]

Any conquest/honor I get this week stays for new season? Won't lose it Tuesday?

[wintry dew]

Honor yes

Conquest gets reseted

[humble escarp]

Thank you

[wintry dew]

So if you want you can grind honor cap and buy full honor gear next reset

[humble escarp]

And spend conquest, got it!

Tyvm

[jolly sierra]

damn dude i was left w the doubt after u talked when u asked for my talents last time XD

i wrote it already here, gotcha

also

https://tenor.com/view/polish-toilet-gif-19649855

[jolly sierra]

blame the voice actress OOF

[minor cape]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ipgD2U6JYo

[jolly sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/cyberpunk2077-edgerunners-time-slow-time-stop-cyberpsychosis-gif-26734128

[jolly sierra]

fuck ive watch it days ago

[minor cape]

he is literally me

[jolly sierra]

me shot

[rapid marlin]

on murlok.io no one is running honour gear for rogue, is it not worth buying those?

[tribal badger]

honor gear isnt out yet

[rapid marlin]

ohhh thats whyyyy

so what should I get if I wanna start out playing some arena ^^, sorry for the noob questions I just returned to dragonflight and switched classes

[tribal badger]

bloody token gear is only next seasom gear available rn

start farming honor in bgs

but i wouldnt spend any

honor gear comes out this reset (tomorrow if ur NA)

buying that will jumpstart you right up to about where everyone else is

u can spend any conq u get on some 450 gear today if u wanna, it resets anyway

itll be replacable with honor gear immediatly tho

[rapid marlin]

ohh so I should just wait for honour gear to drop? gotcha

im on EU, so today will be the reset? ^^

[tribal badger]

ye honor doesnt reset so u can start grinding it out now if u want

2 days will be reset

EU is 24 hours after NA

[rapid marlin]

hmmmm I see, so I'll just farm honour and wait for the new season to start

alrightyyyy

[spring bough]

1 more day till we can have some fun

Is there an extended maintenance planned for tomorrow or just the hour?

[rapid marlin]

too bad though, I was excited to play, but I guess its gonna be better to start fresh with everyone

patience my friends

[tribal badger]

ye i mean u can still spam bgs n such

to save up honor

itll be a bit tough tho

u can buy crafted pvp gear also thats lower ilvl but will prob be higher then anything u have

do the new emerald dream content to get some 437 gear at least

[rapid marlin]

tysm my dear friend, I already got 5k honour but I think Ill need 10k for a full honour set no?

I guess its PVE time with some battlegrounds on the side

[wintry dew]

Fullset 12+k

Safest bet is the 15k

[rapid marlin]

yikes spamming BGs is not gonna be fun with shit gear lolz

[tribal badger]

mhm

thats why id suggest doing the world quests n such while u queue

will at least give u 437 ilvl gear n such

u can also buy green crafted pvp gear for pretty cheap

and check the warmode WQ to see if any wpvp gear is up as a reward today

that will be 473 in pvp so quite a jump for u

[rapid marlin]

you are right thanks man! But all that will be instantly replaced and overshadowed by the honour gear right? ^^

its too bad that you cant transfer honour

[tribal badger]

bloody token gear will be upgradable and might be relevant to getting specific stat pieces (upgraded form is generally just a few ilvl under conq gear)

but yea everything else will be replaced basically insta by honor gear for pvp specifically

[zenith lynx]

Will you be able to obtain the Shadowflame illusion in the next patch or is it gone forever on tuesday?

[tribal badger]

its gone forever already i believe

the season ended

[zenith lynx]

Aw that sucks.. this fomo shit is stupid

[spring bough]

S3 illusion looks so meh too

Atleast the elite weps look cool this time around

[tribal badger]

oh do they

did we get actual elite weapons this season

cause holy fuk s2s were so bad

[waxen meteor]

Another 400 blood coin world quest in NA guys

[sharp pumice]

That should cap all but one of my chars

[waxen meteor]

Rogue has about 2K blood coin now, should be enough for the season

[zenith lynx]

You want to buy that gear after the patch comes out right?

[waxen meteor]

I think you would use honor ones, other than the ones you can upgrade directly with trophy

[wary spire]

You can't upgrade with trophy. You buy upgraded ones with bcoins and trophies.

[sharp pumice]

third paragraph #rules-and-guides

[waxen swift]

Np so you can't share pvp content here?

It has to be streaming on twitch only?

[sharp pumice]

lol I'd actually say the twitch shills are the worse crime, but I'm not a mod/etc

[waxen swift]

^

Thanks for heads up.

[sharp pumice]

ofc

[jolly sierra]

u can share stuff like replays tho, while u are not advertising urself its fine

[sharp pumice]

I'd assumed it was his channel, if that isn't true I rescind my statement

[jolly sierra]

well, lets see

[waxen swift]

That is my channel.

[jolly sierra]

F

[waxen swift]

It's good stuff! Are their any other channels?

[jolly sierra]

not here tho

[sharp pumice]

personally I wouldn't be opposed to a self-promo channel, honestly. Especially if it's solid content, but, I also see how that could get out of hand

[waxen swift]

Yes my content is good stuff. Quality pshero level classic era pvp from me and my wife, real classic era death charger on alliance rogue and hand drawn artwork. Even some dwarf hunter and troll rogue riposte imp sprint gameplay

[jolly sierra]

it always get out of hand

[waxen swift]

Plenty of cords allow it so no big deal

But I saw this one and it gives me quality rogue vibes..as much as I love pvp a partnership in RP brings the content it's soul.

[waxen meteor]

Do we need to finish the pvp weeklies for the crafting materials?

[halcyon timber]

No idea

Good morning fellow scoundrels, what’s on the docket today?

[sharp pumice]

figuring out gearing for my warrior and getting an early season lead

[jolly sierra]

the spark?

[sharp pumice]

so that I can not-get good rankings at the end of the season anyway

[halcyon timber]

Right on man

[jolly sierra]

if is like in s2, then sure

[waxen meteor]

Yes

[halcyon timber]

Yeah got my stuff picked out too

[jolly sierra]

go for it

[sharp pumice]

we need sparks unless something real has changed

think as a rogue we still focus on mastery, and as a war still haste

[waxen meteor]

So we had to do the PvP weelies?

[halcyon timber]

We gained a spark this prior week

[sharp pumice]

not 100% on that though

[waxen meteor]

This week?

[jolly sierra]

just 1

[waxen meteor]

Only my rogue has 1

[halcyon timber]

That is what we just formed no?

[waxen meteor]

My rogue has 1 full spark, from doing the quest

Other chars don't have it

[jolly sierra]

u talk w moonberry in emerald and will give u the other half

[halcyon timber]

The verdant spark from pve quests

[jolly sierra]

its like the first spark in s2

when u needed a half

[waxen meteor]

Yeah i got the other half from emerald

the first half i acutally don't recall where i got it lol

[jolly sierra]

lol

[halcyon timber]

Both parts came from pve if you’re reading the quests

Just like prior seasons

[waxen meteor]

So for other chars, I have to do the same?

[halcyon timber]

I think they cannn drop from pvp but it is a chance to

[waxen meteor]

Damn

[halcyon timber]

Most likely yes brother

I believe a catch up was announced as well though

When they announced all the “whats coming in 10.2” but im not 100% sure

[jolly sierra]

well, if u dont wanna to or are troubled

u can wait for next week

play as usual

and will drop tho

[waxen meteor]

i think caster without the precg is quite doomed

[jolly sierra]

does they doesnt have precock anymore?

[waxen meteor]

I mean you have to craft it

but without doing all pve quests

you don't have spark to craft

[halcyon timber]

Oh harry potter classes will

Bet your butt they will

[jolly sierra]

ah nice

im doing infurious at 1st btw

safest choice

[halcyon timber]

I do like the crit one

Was nice on ptr

Random secondary one or the versatility team one might be nice

Hows warrior land rolling? @sharp pumice

[jolly sierra]

good shit, i barely have rep

[wary spire]

Can I boost a level 70 lol.

[sharp pumice]

I dunno I caught a banhammer from warriorland, but, class feels good

and boosted chars being higher renown than I am on any of my toons is.... is that an indication of too much boost or is that an indication I don't play the game much

[jolly sierra]

uhhhhhhhhhh

[wary spire]

Also fucking niffen.

The worst fucking zone and the hardest rep to grind sits at 12.

[jolly sierra]

they knew wtf were doing

[stoic spruce]

God I hate shadowdance now

It's left a bad taste in my mouth

[halcyon timber]

What matters truly is that you enjoy it. Nothing else matters man.

[fervent shell]

wait, so if I boost an alt then these reps will be at 20 for my main? I just resubbed last week lol

[sharp pumice]

Yeah but I enjoy the sweatier side of wow

from a competitive angle, anyway

don't enjoy the grind to get there

[halcyon timber]

I dig dude

Rogue and only rogue for me since I started in tbc

Rain or shine this is all i do

[stoic spruce]

Not true. Non shadowdance/crackshot outlaw sucks balls

[halcyon timber]

[wary spire]

But what about the taste in your mouth?

[stoic spruce]

I see I am in a corner

[tribal badger]

dance is fun

cool thing to give law

the fact that u dont do damage without it now

is what kinda suks

last season it was more of an "elevate damage slightly or use for cc/defensive" tool

now its a use on cd for dps

[stoic spruce]

I like dance as a button for outlaw for ccs and utility right but for damage? Ew yucky.

Shadawdance to use bte? What???

[jolly sierra]

seems like

[tribal badger]

its a neat build idea

[stoic spruce]

But shadowdance to cheapshot? Now we're talking.

[tribal badger]

unfortunatly, it is not a build

it is just outlaw now

because the whole rework was built around it

[stoic spruce]

Yeah

Man

Maybe I'm not an outlaw fan anymore

[wary spire]

We all are dancers for dmg now.

[stoic spruce]

Assa too?

[tribal badger]

dancer class frfr

id imagine u want dance as sin

[wary spire]

Yep.

[tribal badger]

lets u snapshot kingsbane

[stoic spruce]

Wtf

[tribal badger]

pretty nice damage amp

[wary spire]

And crits.

[tribal badger]

plus the boosted garrotes every minute

[stoic spruce]

We are all sub rogue

[tribal badger]

id say outlaws is the most toxic to using cc in dance because its so important to be using every gcd of dance for damage

with how crackshot/ace works

[stoic spruce]

Bro sub rogue steals literally everything from abilities to spec fantasy.

[tribal badger]

sin is mostly using it to snapshot a few buffs it needs to get off during it

cheaping wont be the end of the world

[steel skiff]

This is what I was arguing on the PTR forums for weeks, and was told that I just hate shadowdance. I don't hate shadowdance, I just wants some, y'know...options. The fact that all 3 specs rely on shadowdance is not great. Outlaw should not be relying on stealth-based mechanics as heavily as sub. That doesn't mean I hate stealth, it just means the specs are supposed to be different and right now, they're sorta not.

[jolly sierra]

beefed kingsbane

[sharp pumice]

been a rogue and warrior (though, mostly warrior) since classic

used to be good, but, that's like a decade ago at this point

[stoic spruce]

I love how they made assa and outlaw play around vanish but only sub has double vanish

However that doesn't mean I want outlaw to have double vanish

[tribal badger]

honestly dance is w/e id be fine with dance being a damage window

what really hurts me is vanish is also a burst window now

where i used probably a majority of my vanishes defensivly/for setup in prior seasons

now I feel like I need to vanish just to keep pressure up

[wary spire]

Just need to clean up rust. Wow pvp is not really about twitch reflexes. You'll be fine.

[stoic spruce]

My problem is anything dance related brings vanish into the mix by proxy so you can't have anything just be in and only in shadowdance

So asking for dance to be offensive, you're also asking for vanish to be offensive too.

Should've just brought the AR dmg increase from SL and called it a day

Imo

[steel skiff]

I'm honestly okay if outlaw keeps crackshot and shadowdance, but I think it would have been better for the game to improve the right side of the spec tree to buff pistol/BtE...that way players have variation without being pigeonholed into dance

[wary spire]

Wasn't vanish always offensive/defensive?

[stoic spruce]

In pve

[wary spire]

Like even in classic it's ambush.

[stoic spruce]

Kyrian outlaw with shadowdust was retarfed and doesn't count

That's classic

[steel skiff]

outlaw traditionally used vanish as an oh shit button or to facilitate a kill...now with the current iteration it's used rotationally to gain access to crackshot, etc, which reduces outlaw defensive options by quite a bit

[steel skiff]

AR damage increase would have been great

[sharp pumice]

is it known what pulls us out of stealth so often?

nothing in my combat log, no damage, no debuffs

out of stealth

[stoic spruce]

The wind

[sharp pumice]

it really does seem like somebody farted and that cancelaura'd stealth

also was not in combat

[stoic spruce]

Lol

[sharp pumice]

not wearing any sets besides hellbloom, happened with last tier 2p on as well

I don't often get the bug in PVE

actually I can't recall ever getting it in PVE

[inner tartan]

but then we would loss crack shot

and crackshot is awsome

but i semi agree

[halcyon timber]

Vanish was used for both . Preparation was always our thing as Subtlety rogues

Combat and Assass would blow up the forums asking for dance back in the day

[waxen meteor]

Just a quick update, first spark can be quickly done from main quests in emerald

[halcyon timber]

KS on ptr seemed to do well, by itself no but combining everything yes

[surreal barn]

Assa is such a powerhouse, so much that you feel that 5% leech 😂

[waxen meteor]

Probably 15 mins, so you can quickly grab the spark

[halcyon timber]

Combined with multiple dots , 6% is a good chunk

[jolly sierra]

did a very shitty match and even misplayed the KB

but seems it killed the guy anyways

[jolly sierra]

need to get used to the keyboard btw

pressed the sbs instead the fok w that guy in inmunity

[opal bone]

Is sudden demise not taken in pvp? Havent seen many assa talent builds

[jolly sierra]

i took it

[lucid citrus]

It’s good I take it

[fast cargo]

Haven’t seen an assa rogue without it

[opal bone]

weird, the few talent layouts Ive seen none of them had it. Mind sharing?

[jolly sierra]

emm

where i did left those ones

[opal bone]

I felt like it was a really good talent to have but I just keep seeing it be left out lol

[jolly sierra]

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here

[opal bone]

ty!

[fast cargo]

BMQAcWb37Z8KXj8LlE1rTPXfsplkEiElEAAAAAASLBkAAAAAAAlWSScgkISSaRQiIJJJRSo1CBA

In 2s I like a dance build with ap/kb/dtb or you could do ap/kb/sd

[jolly sierra]

np

[jolly bear]

1 more day guys!!!!! btw I saw another rogue complaint post 🥰

conclusion was skill issue

[halcyon timber]

Always is propaganda , nothing more

[floral crest]

Did rogues gain some survivability? Or some healing lol

I was facing one on another toon and it’s like@they never wanted to die or they vanish to full hp or something

[tribal badger]

all 3 specs got easier access to the healing talents in the tree (heal on stealth, recuperator, leeching poison)

sin got improved leeching poison for more leech

sub got % healing off finishers that can gather into an absorb shield past max hp if they use them at full hp

outlaw got 5% more DR from targets they pistol shot

so yes rogues got a bit tankier

[jolly sierra]

just double feint

kek

[tribal badger]

well all 3 spec trees got another tank/healing talent

idk how accesible subs/sins is

laws is pretty decent

[jolly sierra]

nope assa didnt

everything here has offensive use or is for resource maintenance

[wary spire]

Yep.

We reeeed against it all ptr.

[jolly sierra]

yeah

[wary spire]

But were ignored.

[jolly sierra]

ty pve andies

[waxen meteor]

Why do I feel ret still very solid when it literally receives 0 change

[jolly sierra]

cuz ret was very solid already

and was mostly untouched

[tribal badger]

interesting i thought sin got an improved leeching poison thingy but i must be misremembering

[jolly sierra]

nah

[tribal badger]

well sub and law got tankier so 👍

[floral crest]

Y’all feel like rmp will make a good push again? Seems like it kinda fell off besides a few running it

[cobalt pewter]

rmp never fell off

[tribal badger]

sup mud have u met any outlaws using the new killing spree tech

[floral crest]

It was like highly ran alot more but it’s like melee cleaves took over. Maybe not in the higher ends tho. So maybe bad choice of@words

[cobalt pewter]

must be nice being a rogue rn

all 3 specs S tier

[tribal badger]

i think law will fall off hard especially vs plate

but we will see

subs still gunna do sub things

[cobalt pewter]

nah

rdruid still op

rdruid outlaw x can dampen anything

[tribal badger]

true but thats moreso outlaw being infinite tank hack in2s and dampening meta of 2s

i was mostly thinking 3s

[cobalt pewter]

i said outlaw rdruid x meaning 3s

[stoic spruce]

Outlaw not looking good once season starts tbh. Might be how DH was in season 2.

Falls off later in the season

[brisk bobcat]

what we playing in pvp? Sub or Law

[stoic spruce]

Sub still the best

What if I said Assa?

[cobalt pewter]

assa s tier

[waxen meteor]

Warrior S+

[sharp sierra]

blizzard you sneak sobs

they keep launching launcher on their own

[twin burrow]

It's launch day in Canada

[olive light]

For PvP, is it noob to macro gorefiends and cold blood together?

[twin burrow]

50/60

[wintry dew]

depends on the build but usually you want CB macroed to sectec

afaik

[cobalt pewter]

prob

arms looks...

[inner tartan]

💯

[waxen meteor]

Me in 3s with alt

I think the RMP queued together

[waxen meteor]

big hits with 39420384028 utiltiies

[drowsy dagger]

Whats a decent pair of daggers i can get myself for sub pvp in wotlk?

[waxen meteor]

what's the version now in wlk?

you got icc already?

[drowsy dagger]

yea phase 4

[waxen meteor]

I just reacll i didn't use any HICC weapon till 25H Lich King

Don't think it's needed, PVP one is good

25HICC No.4 Boss Trinket is good

Think you can use it till next raid comes out

[cobalt pewter]

says u with cloak bubble

[waxen meteor]

cloak is once, intervene is twice now

[cobalt pewter]

friendly stepping is rogues best defensive

[gilded flame]

hooking away every 10 seconds is truly the best defensive

[halcyon timber]

Kiting and cds man gotta do it

[inner tartan]

arm ignore pain is s teir thou

[waxen meteor]

Man these dmg is crazy

I have one blood gear, everything else just s2

[tawny kestrel]

you the boomkin?

[waxen meteor]

Obviously this is a bragging post

[surreal barn]

lol

[brisk bobcat]

anyone have pvp build for sub yet

[waxen meteor]

This question has been asked in this chat multiple times a day.
Long story short, no clear meta, lots of builds work

each of last points on sub tree can make a very positive impact on how you play

[halcyon timber]

Can play how you want seriously, just have to plan around what you pick.

[gleaming pawn]

It’s almost like it’s last season and there’s multiple ways to play Sub depending on skill, preference, comp, etc 🙂 not to mention the season hasn’t even started yet

[halcyon timber]

Exactly

[thick slate]

Okay

Outlaw giga fun not gonna lie

was my first solo as outlaw

[old brook]

you're a legend.. I literally downloaded WA for something to track PV and this is so nice and simple

[wintry dew]

Any theorycrafting on what tier items will be used by sub/assa? maybe the versa ones? (they both are vers crit/ crit vers)

[halcyon timber]

Embelishments wise?

Prob boots again for 1

[jolly sierra]

i was thinking that

and im thinking in using both pants and gloves

pants for the huge chunk of versa

[halcyon timber]

New embelishments felt good on ptr. Party versatility one was slick

[jolly sierra]

and gloves for the big chunk of mastery

im seriously considering not going 4set

[halcyon timber]

Yeah , need to play with them as I tend to find good uses fir stuff i dig

Silken lining will still be solid agreed

Prob going to see a lot more ferals use precognition too

For bait cyclone casts so they can convoke for free this season

[broken otter]

:3

[jolly sierra]

is this any good rn? in ptr it hit like shit