pvp

[sour charm]

Leech would be too strong

Imagine leeching all game off sanguin blades bleeds while you hide behind the pillar

[jolly sierra]

yeah its nice to fkn survive being permatrained

with just that shit i would be happy

[marble oasis]

it's ok!

We now take shadow dance so we get that healing!

[jolly sierra]

OOF

ohohohoho look at this

now im not forced to take shit anymore

(btw why tf im picking numbing if im not using DTB anymore)

[marble oasis]

I hadn't played with that crippling poison i'm assuming it sounded good on paper but shit in practice.

[marble oasis]

old habit's die hard xD

[jolly sierra]

yeah, muscle memory lol

ah u are talking about the talent

its already nerfed i recall

will assa going like this now for s3?

hmmmmmmmmm

[marble oasis]

yeh i don't get why they even bothered nerfing it.

it's pretty much never picked in pve so it's 100% a pvp talent but it's nerfed in pvp like wut

it's such an odd utility talent for marginal use in the application that it matters

[jolly sierra]

basically the shit was born dead, its funny how few it stayed unnerfed

and wasn't that good too

[quaint cedar]

HO is still heavily nerfed in pvp thanks to the proc chance being only 80% of SS proc chance

This really needs to be addressed

I hope realz sees the feedback I've left because it ruins the gameplay flow of HO in 10.2

Compared to live

[jolly sierra]

dunno at this step dude

even trickz tried to contact him to come here

[marble oasis]

i wonder if it's because how it interacted with the 20% non damaging amp? made it WAY too strong. but still don't get why they didn't just reduce the whole talent just seem odd

[quaint cedar]

Yeah I saw that

I wish realz would talk to us

I know pve is more of a focus but even just once would be nice

Feels like sub is getting shoved down our throats once again

[marble oasis]

it's very odd Realz was proper heavy across rogue but since the DH rework has been happening he's sorta reallocated again.

has he said anything in the pvp channel yet?

as a fair few changes for pve have had a direct negative impact on pvp

[quaint cedar]

He responded to one pinged question and that was it

And it was something we already knew about

Otherwise he never talks in here

Which sucks because the latest outlaw changes for pve have had huge negative consequences for pvp

But who cares it isn't sub rogue

[jolly sierra]

maybe was like that, i dunno how is the formula addresed there

the last thing he said here in pvp

was addresing a random

for a DH question

xd

[quaint cedar]

lol that's right it was about spectral sight

[marble oasis]

ye, i'm loving the changes for pve in general.

but i'm actually pretty worried about rogue in pvp.

[quaint cedar]

Not even a rogue question

[marble oasis]

lots of stuff we was using to give us a leg up has been nuked with no alternative

[marble oasis]

i.e assa rogue opening with kidney allowed it to have some stealth presence while it setup. not that's just gone

[quaint cedar]

Still think it's wild that mfd was deleted with no explanation

[jolly sierra]

yep

[quaint cedar]

Hurts assa the most I think

[jolly sierra]

now we will rely in opening w cheap shot

[quaint cedar]

Though it sucks for all rogues

[jolly sierra]

when can we SS w blues again?

to check how rog sucks cock again

[surreal barn]

I have been using no MfD this past week

You definitely deal more damage

But it is weird not playing with it

[jolly sierra]

we can live without it sure

and yeah, feels weird

[surreal barn]

Having a 5 pt kidney always in the pocket is so nice

lol

[jolly sierra]

but im still thinking is unfair af than we have blind nerfed w 2m cd

[surreal barn]

Oh I’m about to die with no cds or combo points? Mfd to the rescue

[quaint cedar]

Yeah 2 min cd blind is trash

But don't think that's changing any time soon

Gets even worse next patch because healers have 1.5 min CD trinket

[jolly sierra]

yep

[tight eagle]

ew, what?

[stoic spruce]

Yayyy a ranged interrupt

[tight eagle]

damn I'm out of the loop lol

[stoic spruce]

Yeah healers are getting a reduced cd on trinket

[tight eagle]

f that

I'm leveling my healers lol

[stoic spruce]

Just when you thought rdudus and mws weren't slippery enough lol

[quaint cedar]

Yeah and I've heard on ptr it's actually 1 min but the notes said 1.5 min so who knows

[tight eagle]

Yeah... that really sucks. Almost makes me feel like you take Airborne Debris or whatever it's called

[marble oasis]

should be 1.5

[tight eagle]

*irritant

[quaint cedar]

Problem with airborne irritant is that it makes blind a 3 sec duration 🙃

[tight eagle]

yeah

that is a clown move...

might as well just gouge em

"hey off target and healer, can you group up over here so I can blind you both and get some value?"

[quaint cedar]

Imagine how we would have all reacted if someone told us 2 years ago we'd be stuck with a 5 sec blind on a 2 min CD. And the only way to reduce the CD also chops the duration down to 3 seconds. Lmao

[stoic spruce]

Outlaw doesn't do the damage to make 3 seconds worth anything

[quaint cedar]

Spammable 6 sec clone is totally fine though

[tight eagle]

I don't mind being a utility/CC class, but yeah.. feels like we're maybe going to be best at nothing

[quaint cedar]

lol exactly. 3 sec blind gives you 2 damage globals. Oh boy how exciting

[marble oasis]

wrong. we'll be the best at something

We'll be the best at dying 😄

[tight eagle]

there it is lol

couldn't type out drumroll fast enough

[stoic spruce]

Nope that's still assa B)

[quaint cedar]

Especially assa, those guys are pros at dying

[marble oasis]

how much we wanna bet sub's shield gets pvp gimped within the first week or even before patch launch

[stoic spruce]

At LEAST we finally got 30 yard PS/BTE with dmg reduction

[quaint cedar]

Yeah

[marble oasis]

they'll have that 10% shield in like what? 3 finishers

[halcyon timber]

Already is, its affected by dampening like all other shields

[quaint cedar]

We got a lot of good QoL changes.... and then a bunch of bad QoL changes lol

[stoic spruce]

I'm convinced one of those was supposed to go to assa lol

[marble oasis]

so what you're saying is you're turning into a scuffed survival hunter?

[quaint cedar]

Weird patch overall

[stoic spruce]

Pet less survival hunter

So

Moreso a cowboy

[marble oasis]

Lone wolf scuffed survival hunter

Wild west outlaw rogue pirate be dedge

[quaint cedar]

Yeah but does survival have swords??? checkmate

[stoic spruce]

They have one big one

Also

[marble oasis]

yeh they get the omega sword

[quaint cedar]

Swords > polearms

[stoic spruce]

I love the new poison placement in the tree

[quaint cedar]

Yeah that's an improvement for sure

[stoic spruce]

PvE says the exact opposite lmaoo

I love it

[tight eagle]

Does anyone use thick as thieves? I run with an MM Hunter and wondering if it's viable

[quaint cedar]

Man I've had my entire build ruined by pve, they can eat it

[marble oasis]

they can equip asscandy bro!

[surreal barn]

Battleground blitz this Friday @quaint cedar

I’ll see you back on the battlefield

Let’s see how many deaths we can rack up

[stoic spruce]

Meanwhile, dks are trying to figure out what it would take to not have anymore talents nerfed by 50% lol

[quaint cedar]

Nice! I'm so glad they are doing another one

Good to see they are planning to address the forced faction change too, that was really bothering me on the last test

I wonder how rogue will be shaping up now after the changes we've had since the last one

[tight eagle]

Can you use Shadowy Duel on a healer to prevent them from healing the dmg target? Obviously I wouldn't be able to dmg the target, but if my teammate could that'd be interesting, right?

[halcyon timber]

Yes you can from direct healing

Aoe healing goes through it

[tight eagle]

got it, ok well thats still cool though

I didn't know that. Feels like a better use of it sometimes, lol, like if I already bursted on the dmg target. I've found myself SD them and then I don't do anymore dmg lol 😂

so I think I should just SD the healer and let my partner keep Deepsin'

[surreal barn]

If you save your kidney for the last second of it you can blind into sap for a super long cc chain

Usually you want to duel like that when your partners cds are back up and the enemy is 50% health

[stoic spruce]

God I hate that talent

[surreal barn]

Yeah yeah scum of the earth I know

[stoic spruce]

I was talking about the talent but sub players too, yeah.

💣

🔥

Yeah big fan

[jolly sierra]

yeah i have r1 kissing the floor lol

[jolly sierra]

tbh i was thinking in something like dance>cheap shot> blind then sap

for the fkn healer

[surreal barn]

Nah you CS kill tar

And dance on the go not the set up

[jolly sierra]

hmmmm

what about kidney then blind then dance sap?

the other question for me tbh

is if garrote works w dance

[surreal barn]

It can work but I often just use one of the vanishes bc of CDR

[jolly sierra]

yeahi i dont have cdr so i need to think more

[surreal barn]

If you can blow your sectec while they are still in blind you can even babysit the healer since vanishing brough gouge and kidney up again

Yeah assa is different I use kidney on kill target lol

When assa has dance maybe will change?

[jolly sierra]

yeah was from assa pov

garrote

ambush

the tact could work cuz dmg is most from dots

so u can have both dps w dots then stun the healer, blind and then sap w dance

[rotund fulcrum]

Acrobatic strikes still awkward to get tho

[jolly sierra]

need to check the garrote later

[tight eagle]

So how does one blind>Sap now? Like what are the 'parameters' I've tried to do it, but it doesn't work.. do I just need to chain a stun or cc with my blind in order to have enough time for them to drop combat?

[halcyon timber]

Need a stun first or for some goon to fall out of combat by los / being rooted etc and you can blind sap off stuff like that as an example.

[jolly sierra]

stun at first

so when u blind he already drops combat

and then u can sap

[halcyon timber]

Hopefully drops, if they have a minion / pet etc they will stay in combat. Ex: restoration druid treants will keep them in combat.

[quaint cedar]

It's like the kevin's oozling from SL all over again

Oops, can't sap because some random pet I can barely see kept this guy in combat

I hated that so much

[halcyon timber]

Kevin was a turd

[quaint cedar]

on my rdruid I'd have to cancel aura him so I could drop combat for restealths/drinks

[jolly sierra]

kevin was obnoxious af for my rog

i always needed to put a macro to cancel him w cancelaura in vanish

else would drop away

[wary spire]

Small steps

Wanna try going for that weapon illusion.

[waxen meteor]

is there a weapon illusion at 2.1 this season too?

[wary spire]

Ye

[tight eagle]

was the mage targetted every round? D:

sucks for them lol

[wary spire]

He sure was.

I was kinda sorry for them, i would hate to be in his place as a seemingly new alt.

[jolly sierra]

chad

the enchant is pretty af

is a shadowflame one

[wary spire]

Ye.

[jolly sierra]

but im not moving from here yet

[marble oasis]

I so wanted to get this seasons weapon enchant but i just have had no motivation to push for it 😦

[jolly sierra]

i do, but im doing my tricks

i wanna overkill the CR

so better go safe

[tight eagle]

I didn't know there was a season enchant D: Where can I see it and wallow in despair?

[stoic spruce]

Get to 2100 and you can have it :)

[waxen meteor]

fuck DH alt just got 2099

[waxen meteor]

lol i didn't pay attention to the unlocks, let me check now

[jolly sierra]

OOF

just tested shadow dance garrote

it does work w silence

[wary spire]

There should be a system in place that if you have like 1-3 points before the new rank it goes "ay sure fam u can havit".

[tight eagle]

Just messing around with the 10.2 talent tree. What do we think about this?

[wary spire]

Otherwise it causes too much emotional damage.

[jolly sierra]

agree w that edaniel

[tight eagle]

I agree, but then what if people expect to rank up at 2097, and they can only hit 2096!? Same emotional damage 😭

[waxen meteor]

yeah i think i am gonna be mad if next game ends with losing cr

[jolly sierra]

gl dude

[waxen meteor]

Grat!

[jolly sierra]

what a chad

i'm watching youtube guides about ret rotation, cuz mr. rank 1 restricted his views to subs only in twitch

so im watching an elite

[waxen meteor]

Yeah as expected 2-4

2-2 after 4 rounds, then monk healer afk

and i am with him all last 2 roudns

nice

thought i could graduate from another alt 😦 damn it

what a let down

[jolly sierra]

damn

[quaint cedar]

dude grats! playing outlaw in shuffle is not easy

[jolly sierra]

dont be pessimistic

if u won 4, think u can get 2k1

[waxen meteor]

yeah i am not too worried

but these weeks are just too good for alts

trying to get more alts done

[quaint cedar]

I just hit 2.1k on my rdruid, legit feels easier than playing outlaw

even though outlaw is my main and I barely play rdruid

[waxen meteor]

some specs are just easier to play in solo

[quaint cedar]

yeah honestly rdruid feels unfair

after the buffs

[waxen meteor]

also some lobbies are just a lot easier than others, luck is there too

[quaint cedar]

I just have infinite healing

[jolly sierra]

ret is crazy good in SS after druid rising tho

less priests and more switch between bursts

[queen geyser]

I remember in vanilla Classic I would use the Scholomance quest bell trinket to keep Warriors in combat so they couldn't charge

Good times

[queen geyser]

The face of a killer

[stoic spruce]

Killer of boners because she's UGLY

[jolly sierra]

my panda is prettier

has both eyes functional

[jolly sierra]

i love how ppl insults me in outdoor

as a panda

[stoic spruce]

see now thats a panda worthy of a boner

[jolly sierra]

approved by the (non)furry

[stoic spruce]

Correct

[vast glacier]

am i doin anything wrong?

[wary spire]

That's why I don't go out much.

[vital void]

🥶

thanks for all the tips in this channel helped me a lot

[marsh ridge]

wow, whats that addon?

[marble oasis]

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/narcissus

can do stuff like this with it also

it's basically a 3d model viewer but in game.
can chromakey and do all animations

[queen geyser]

https://youtu.be/_1VLXxXh2vg?si=h1nGCtAGpnSGekED does this to you

[marsh ridge]

thank you 🙂

[queen geyser]

Where’s your pants armor patch, soldier?

https://www.wowhead.com/item=193565/fierce-armor-kit

[vast glacier]

Yes Captian thank you

do i enchat my dagger's

[queen geyser]

Yis

Sophic Devotion on both

Allegedly

[wary spire]

@vast glacier https://murlok.io/rogue
Just check things here. Thing's very useful, use it all the time.

[vast glacier]

Thank You need to hit 2100 rly bad for illusion

[thick slate]

Congrats bro next stop is rank 1

[glass bear]

congrats

[jolly sierra]

i feel than i accomplished my goal if i reach that

[surreal barn]

@jolly sierra put halloween mask on and identify as vulpera

[jolly sierra]

im a panda

those foxes deserves to be purged from horde since BFA when their guards attacked me for beating an ally in their base

[glass bear]

I need a good black set for night elf anyone know of one?

i like vindicitive but it is more dark blue

if not black one that will work with black tabard

[inner tartan]

cute

[inner tartan]

i play vulpera rogue haha

well in pvp for memes my main pve rogue is a voidelf for stupid reasons

[inner tartan]

no

[jolly sierra]

yes, if they are allied w horde then they should never attacked me in that fkn hideout

[inner tartan]

we rogues guard will attack for the lamest reasons no orderaly citizen likes rogues

[jolly sierra]

don't care still killed the foxes anyways

[inner tartan]

'true when im play my ally rogue i kill foxes

but in pvp im a trash manic i kill anything or try trying

[wary spire]

The hell is that hunter's deal in the na rogue ptr thread.

[jolly sierra]

a rogue stole his GF

so all rogues are evil

[inner tartan]

facts i love being evil

[wary spire]

Same actually.

[inner tartan]

were do i find this sounds fun

[wary spire]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/feedback-rogues/1666450/1494

[jolly sierra]

yo edaniel do u have a moment?

[tight eagle]

Seems like so much energy to complain about PTR like that. Squeaky wheels I guess

[wary spire]

Sure, what needs doin?

[brittle belfry]

Hey all, as someone new to rogue I wanted to know which spec would be easier in SS for 1800 elite set.

Plan on learning them all but with not long left of the season Wana grind out the easiest way.

Not really looking to go past 1800.

Thanks

[jolly sierra]

a fkn chicken druid is tapping all the WQ for himself

has like 300% crit chance stacked

can kill him but need ccs

[wary spire]

omw

[tight eagle]

I'd definitely say Sub is the spec to go

[exotic dove]

Alot of people think he is trolling he is trying to convince people SB breaking stealth is not a bug

[glass bear]

I would say outlaw sub takes some brain power set ups and resets outlaw you can just dps

[tight eagle]

That's fair.. I wasn't really thinking about the 'new to rogue' bit

Sub doesn't feel too big brain, but I've mained rogue forever even though I've taken breaks

[glass bear]

sub would be the last spec i would recommend to someone new to rogue imo have to have proper rotation have to set up you have to use cds correctly

[tight eagle]

Yeah that's fair. Sub is a blast to play for that reason though lol. When I get going in the heat of an SS it's like clack clicky clack clackk clicky clack just all over my keyboard lol

[exotic dove]

That hunter is probably going to make it so SB breaking stealth doesn't get fixed though and it might not get used in pvp

[glass bear]

[tight eagle]

Were you agreeing with me here or disagreeing? lol

[jolly sierra]

damn guy fkn chicken

[glass bear]

oh agreeing sub is my fav too

[jolly sierra]

i saw u beaten the poor arena master hunt

but u are chaotic evil so its ok lol

[brittle belfry]

Thanks for the advice will defo check out outlaw

[exotic dove]

I think that Hunter in the Rogue feedback forum is trying to make us miserable 😦

[glass bear]

lol

[exotic dove]

Is the new SB talent taking Assa Rogues out of stealth all the time or no?

It didn't seem to do it all the time for me but I haven't played the recent PTR build with Assa a whole lot yet why I am asking

[waxen meteor]

Just making us a melee warlock

[exotic dove]

Well for when I don't play Sub and choose to play Assa I may decide to if I can without gimping myself not touch SB if its just going to keep you in combat and break stealth

next patch

[hidden mirage]

that hunter is real pain in the ass

he will never stop complaining about SD until it gets removed or made unusable in PvP

[jolly sierra]

even if u roast him in all ways possible

he will return cuz seems has no dignity

checked it 1st time when i did that to him

[tight eagle]

What SD is he referring to?

SB is Sanguine Blades, right?

[exotic dove]

He wanted SD removed which is the new Execute for Assa he didnt get his way. SB has a bug that gets rogues out of stealth like the tier set now he is defending saying its supposed to be like that and trying to throw some odd logic despite the fact that Deathmark which also duplicates bleeds is the same thing and doesn't break stealth

I really think that hunter is just trolling tbh

[tight eagle]

Number 1, I can't imagine campaigning for changes on the WoW forums at all..

Number 2, to be campaigning against another class entirely... This dude passes up on dinner because there is a vendor in the next town

so much brain rot

[jolly sierra]

god

[quaint cedar]

Lmao

I understood some of that dude's concerns with sudden demise but imagine trying to defend a bug that breaks stealth

Like wtf

How can you think that's intended behavior?

[surreal barn]

Ngl I can’t imagine not being able to restealth lol

I been playing no tier set and 46% versa for fun bc of it

[quaint cedar]

I still don't get how we went an entire season without assa getting the tier set stealth bug fixed

It breaks a core mechanic of the class

How did that even get out of ptr?

[surreal barn]

They don’t give a damn

[exotic dove]

And the tier set is temporary

[quaint cedar]

I'm with you. I refuse to play tier on live as outlaw because it breaks gouge and sap

[exotic dove]

so goes with what Zeiss said

[surreal barn]

I’m so surprised sub tier didn’t make it into a talent

[quaint cedar]

It's only like a 2% damage increase anyways

[surreal barn]

Not even going to play it next season lol

[quaint cedar]

I'd rather keep my gouge functional

[surreal barn]

Definitely. Gouge too important now that blind is so short

[quaint cedar]

Exactly

[surreal barn]

I have a really bad habit now though where I save kidneys for the healer as assa

Hard for me to break it

[quaint cedar]

I'll never get over 2 min CD 5 sec duration blind when clone is 0 cd and longer duration

Actual clown company

[surreal barn]

Oh that is insane for real

Human 3 min trinket needs to do more than stuns since it’s 3 mins. When I vs a Druid I have to swap in trinket

[quaint cedar]

Hey at least your racial is actually useful

Shadowmeld still OP though

[surreal barn]

I am just using it bc I’ve wondered what both trinkets going off at the same time would feel like

Still a shadowmeld simp

[quaint cedar]

I'm a hipster, I don't have a nelf rogue

Even though I technically should

But I'm not going to

[surreal barn]

You get a character boost every xpac

Boost a different rogue race lol

[quaint cedar]

I already have two

[surreal barn]

This is the way

The one that is actually INSANE is troll

I was testing with a friend of mine

[quaint cedar]

And if I made a nelf it would be hard to excuse not playing it as my main rogue

So that's why I didn't make one

[surreal barn]

Da Voodoo Shuffle: Reduces the duration of all movement impairing effects by 20%. Trolls be flippin' out mon!

This stacks with the 35%

[quaint cedar]

lol that's interesting

[surreal barn]

Roots are done so fast it’s hilarious

If I had an outlaw… that would be it

[quaint cedar]

My 2nd rogue is human so at least that's somewhat useful

[surreal barn]

That double trinket + sophic proc is kind of insane

[quaint cedar]

I usually play trinket so I can trinket again 30 seconds early

But can also do double dps trinket as well

[surreal barn]

Wait… the CD isn’t 2 minutes?

I thought it put the trinket on a 2 min

[quaint cedar]

Human racial is 3 min CD and it puts trinket on 1.5 min CD

Pretty sure

Maybe I'm just an idiot though lmao

[surreal barn]

I’ll check later that would be worth to me to use it

[quaint cedar]

Yeah honestly I'm bad at using it because I've never played human before

So I really don't get much value out of it

But my main is kul tiran and well, haymaker is pretty useless for a rogue lol

Except in BGs, then it's amazing

But I mostly arena, so I barely use it

[waxen meteor]

Homies for frost DK, is their stun under control?

Can they control who to stun and when or is it random

[jolly sierra]

sleet?

its in a cone tho

ah no, winter

it stuns in aoe

so he goes closer to his target

[waxen meteor]

Lost 2 rounds he kept pulling everyone and stun them for 3 seconds

lol i basically just look around to see who i can kidney

[glass bear]

it is a disorient doesn't effect stun dr

[waxen meteor]

so probably another stun i don't know which one tbh

very little knowledge about frost dk

[glass bear]

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=207167/blinding-sleet

[waxen meteor]

Not this one

surely a stun

When I am at receiving end

[glass bear]

Ape?

Aoe?

[quaint cedar]

wow I just got caught up on the ptr thread

wtf

this shit has been going on for hours

why can't this hunter just give it up

[exotic dove]

Zeiss post was the best of those hours though and the Copium Corvette lol

[quaint cedar]

lol yeah

I don't see how you could argue that it isn't a bug

but somehow this guy has been doing so for hours

imagine being that dedicated to being wrong

[glass bear]

this is his life don't you know this is his FUN

[quaint cedar]

lol must be

and here I got tired of arguing with someone about why outlaw should have armor pen, and that was only for like an hour before I just gave up and moved on to something else

[surreal barn]

DDOS isn’t always bad

Eventually he’ll piss off the wrong person

[jolly sierra]

remorseless winter

[wary spire]

Well if he wants to make rogue worse - he's kinda succeeding, replacing useful feedback with people calling him an idiot.

[marble oasis]

i'm finding it rather amusing a hunter of all things talking about cheesing stuff xD

[glass bear]

MRGA

https://tenor.com/view/xmen-evolution-xmen-marvel-rogue-gif-20446657

[nova viper]

SEXOOOOOOOOOOO

[quaint cedar]

lmao I swear at this point realz has probably given up on the ptr thread

[jolly sierra]

SEXOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[nova viper]

sup my dude

que pasa

[jolly sierra]

sup, im bored by a lot

maybe will go to the yugioh tourney tomorrow

what bout u

[glass bear]

https://tenor.com/view/yu-gi-oh-kaiba-gif-11244264

[wary spire]

Ayy, also had a similar thought there

[wary spire]

Discord acts up again, meant to tag the message.

[nova viper]

chilling on my undead mage

[nova viper]

EXODIA!

THE FORBIDDEN ONE!

[stoic spruce]

I SUMMON POT OF GREED ALLOWING ME TO DRAW AN ADDITIONAL 3 CARDS FROM MY DECK

[surreal barn]

Wonder what it would take to get @cobalt pewter to bat for us over on that thread

Isn’t he like some forums savant

[jolly sierra]

sounds literal

lol

[jolly sierra]

UHHH BAN THAT

[cobalt pewter]

HUH

[potent pivot]

[marble oasis]

The man

The myth

The legend

[stoic spruce]

Greg

[surreal barn]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/feedback-rogues/1666450/1537

We want you to hurt this hunter for us

Go get em

Next time I see you in battle I won’t press evasion

[spring bough]

first solo as fury 75k dps and im 435 ilvl LOL

[minor cape]

motherfucker doesn't know what hardcoded means

🥹

wait you guys brush your teeth?

[wary spire]

I personally teeth my brush.

[vital void]

wtf just happened there

is it a war zone or something

[wary spire]

We were discussing entomology.

[wanton breach]

no, my toothbrush got disarmed

[minor cape]

fuck it, trinket dies instantly

[wanton breach]

should have specced veil of midnight to brush teeth

[exotic dove]

The Hunter trolled again

[cobalt pewter]

rogue players are sketchy and should never be trusted.

[wary spire]

That's true, trust me

[surreal barn]

Rogue team mates will be with you until the very end (10% health)

[wary spire]

Then suddenly...

[surreal barn]

💨 poof💨

[sterile vale]

Every time I apply dots, a wild pala appears to blinding light then fades away

[tight eagle]

Anyone experience in ordering crafted gear from the Craft Order system?

I'm wondering if I should buy the mats myself or not? What are the pros and cons? If it's for instanced PvP do I need to worry about Quality of Mats as long as I'm using a Trophy of Conquest?

[jolly sierra]

last one for me was a ret/warr and ele match

very funny indeed

[jolly sierra]

buy them urself, and if u dont care about pve just buy rank 2 materials, the trophy does the job and balance it for pvp w the ilvl

[tight eagle]

Sweet, thank you both so much 🙂

Love the rh pvp channel

[jolly sierra]

u welcome

[surreal barn]

If you’re on Tich I’ll make all rogue armor free just post mats

[tight eagle]

@surreal barn That's a great offer, but I'm on Azgalor 😭

Thank you though!

[terse echo]

Do i have to use wounding poison while hemotoxin talented?

[glass bear]

Can A PVPER give me a mythic plus build for whatever spec is best right now

[jolly sierra]

we here hate pve

go to #wow-general and ask there

[glass bear]

Aware wanted to ask pvp friends first

[jolly sierra]

most of us doesn't pve

and btw

if u wanna a decent + build

murlok.io has a pve section

if i recall correctly outlaw is good to push that kind of stuff

the only thing we like about pve is camping their raiders in outdoor

[glass bear]

Looks like sub is the most played and highest on LB and murlok.io is going to probably not be consistent since the ones on their are running builds for 30+ keys

But I will check it out thanks

[cobalt pewter]

rogue = immortal

never seen one die, ever.

[jolly sierra]

u welcome, try picking all the purple and orange rows and u will have a decent build to push forward

but please never bring pve stuff here

[cobalt pewter]

how are rogues baseline tankier than an arms warrior? wheres the logic in that

a rogue and an arms warrior can play together and everyones primary target would be that warrior

because rogues are op and immortal

nerf rogue

@minor cape

[wary spire]

No.

[atomic adder]

Anyone got a good ass rogue ptr build?

[terse echo]

Do i have to use wounding poison while hemotoxin talented?

[minor cape]

wha

wrong mage disarmer

nerf warrior

[jolly sierra]

nerf perma A tier class

[jolly sierra]

deja vu

depends if u are using DTB

but ppl is mostly dropping it

and competes with disarm in preferences

the only staple atm is smoke bomb

[stoic spruce]

RAHHHH

[jolly sierra]

RAAAAAAH

[wary spire]

uwu

I mean

RAAAGH

[pliant spoke]

what are the pvp talents looking like for 10.2 on the ptr?

[waxen meteor]

still a lot better to have it, and hemotoxin is old book

[quaint cedar]

anyone doing PTR BGs? We got another play with the blues today

[glass bear]

A good many people are today check out venruki or supatease discord real active for blitz atm

[spring bough]

fury warrior my new favorite alt. just got 4 set. all the bloodthirst talents and copped a 101k bloodbath crit for the KB on a healer 15 seconds into round start LOL

[surreal barn]

Oh yeah 👍🏼

[quaint cedar]

Oh yeah outlaw is gaming

[wary spire]

Devs will look at that and buff warrior.

[quaint cedar]

warrior buffs are always inevitable

it's just one of those constants of the universe

like gravity

[jolly sierra]

OHHHH ROG HAS TOO MUCH DAMAGE

BUFF WARRIOR

[marble oasis]

We all just going to gloss over the healing done by the rogues 😂

Axos must have been sub or something as that self healing is nutty

[surreal barn]

wasnt even a contest tbh

and that is all in this seasons gear lol i forgot to update it

[quaint cedar]

yeah pretty sure he was sub

If I remember correctly

[quaint cedar]

lol nice! Idk about you but I've noticed healers are seriously OP right now. If there's a healer in the team fight it's almost impossible to kill anything

Makes me think, damn, is my damage really that bad?

But then I fight someone by themselves on the road and suddenly the health bars move again

[halcyon timber]

Keep healers strong so they can stop wailing about shuffle

[quaint cedar]

Yeah, who knows how healers will be in shuffle or regular arena

[halcyon timber]

Hee hee only play when im strong

[quaint cedar]

But I do think maybe in BGs they need a bit of a aura nerf

[halcyon timber]

Gaim no fun when x isn’t strong

[quaint cedar]

Just for the BGs only

[halcyon timber]

I dunno man, that’s like the nerf hunters for existing meme forum post i found last week xD

“Nerf hunters in bgs” or some nonsense like that

[quaint cedar]

lol

They are pretty OP in BGs

[halcyon timber]

They forget how to operate in shuffle though

[quaint cedar]

I like the new BG mode I just think the fights end up in stalemates a lot because of how strong the healers are

[halcyon timber]

Never trap and they disengage into a wall and get their head bounced by a warrior off the pavement xD

[surreal barn]

I handed a disc his ass but then a holy and Druid seemed immortal

Assa is so good in these bgs lol

I still haven’t done the shadowdance build tho

[quaint cedar]

Yeah I had a few immortal hpals too

Damage for outlaw seems decent. Most of my BGs I ended up being around mid in damage, which seems fine for rogue. We're never going to compete with aff and boomy numbers

I also had a few where I was close to top

Might have been able to do more damage if I had my WAs. Outlaw is legit so hard to play without them

Too much shit to track

[surreal barn]

Yeah I can only see bar 1 I need some addons

[rotund fulcrum]

2k on outlaw in 2s today. Hopefully push 2100 this weekend. Wish I knew someone to q 3s with been having so much fun with outlaw lol

[jolly bear]

this is the same as an honor dagger right?

[rotund fulcrum]

Ilvl I think it is

If you can get aspect crests for it for 447 it’s also super good cause you can’t get conq 450 vers mas

[jolly bear]

yeahhhhh no i get one shot in 16s

i dont have any pve gear

I have the conq claw but idk if its actually better or not

offhand

[jolly sierra]

u are sub

better use the fist

[jolly bear]

what if I get it to 447

is the dagger better then or still claw

[nova viper]

sexo

[faint valve]

IS the speed capped on the arenas?

[languid ravine]

Reporting back from the future:
Cheat Death is still working as intended.
Keep up the great work comrades!

[jolly sierra]

SEXOOOOOOO

[jolly sierra]

claw is 450 duh

[languid ravine]

2.200 CR rating shuffle Ret Pala opener:
-INTERRUPT the enemy healer who is not casting due to being silenced and also everyone being full HP and give him Freecognition
-HAMMER OF JUSTICE your killtarget Warlock who is also silenced by your Assa rogue

[surreal barn]

I could have told you that was going to happen

At least it is predictable

[jolly sierra]

seems like 2k1 w ret is a fkn joke

[restive cedar]

is it really better to take a dagger in the offhand as fistweapon by outlaw in pvp?

[tardy jasper]

To the smart rogues out there: how do I interpret the patch notes for 10.2? It looks like sub is maybe getting better? But also maybe harder to play?

[surreal barn]

Sub is more cooldown dependent than it currently is, shadowblades is your killer now. It is easier to play

[long shore]

the shuffle life boys

[jolly sierra]

that 1-5s OOF

[long shore]

i hate warriors and mages with blink stuns 😒

warriors can just peel every go

[tardy jasper]

How easier? I would have thought being more CD reliant means that there’s even more pressure to get those perfect windows of damage rotation, Cd usage and cc all blended together into a perfect dance?

[surreal barn]

Every combo building global you do loads full combo points you’re essentially just eviscerating over and over

[tardy jasper]

I see so that makes it a bit easier. No need to really think about the rotation as much

[surreal barn]

I even messed around with the pve build the guys in sub PTR are running with Shuriken tornado

[tardy jasper]

Tbf it was quite complicated before esp of playing echoing and having to anticipate the big evicerates at 2-4 CPs

[surreal barn]

You literally press it then just eviscerate over and over lol

I hope it’s not meta because that would be so silly

[surreal barn]

The downside is right now we can kill every time cold blood and symbols are up which are really short cds

[languid ravine]

did you just climb 400 rating while maintaining a 30% winrate?

[surreal barn]

I prefer the current

[long shore]

its the other way around

i lost 200 rating lol

u read the chart from bottom to top with bottom where i started

and top where i ended

[languid ravine]

ohhhhhhh

makes more sense now

[long shore]

i tried dark brew build

and not very good results tbh

wrnt back rotten

[glass bear]

I see you luurch my raz discord friend

rotten feels so nice to play

[wanton breach]

insane what great value cheat death is. it also certainly is always like that never fails

[languid ravine]

mine always heals for 5000HP 0,05 seconds before I die

[long shore]

yeah i asked raz in discord but i think he is here more lol

i went back rotten and it just feels better. dark brew just feels so danced starved if u get disarmed / kited on your dance

dark brew more for high mmr play with good team who understand how DRs work

[languid ravine]

Look at this Sheat, insane great value that never fails to lose me the round

[jolly sierra]

oh yeah he is here a lot lol

its easy to call tho, just throw a misinformation and will appear both he or nessper ASAP

[long shore]

i am 100% certain dark brew build is the way to go for every rogue in shuffle.

why? i dunno, i just know it's the best

[jolly sierra]

say it as a fact

[long shore]

if howton plays it, it has to be good 100%

[glass bear]

howton is an enigma

anyone who plays piss cleave can't be trusted

[surreal barn]

Wait raz has a discord

[glass bear]

yes

[wanton breach]

he is in this channel from time to time too

[long shore]

triimaz , howton , nalaska plays darkbrew. its 100% BEST spec for shuffle hands down

no question

[surreal barn]

Yes I have summoned the great one once before

[jolly sierra]

he spawns here when someone says some shit

most of time

but seems he is afk

[wanton breach]

cheap shot is not worth pressing since you can disarm the mage anyways

[glass bear]

Always use kidney when stun is on dr

[wanton breach]

always gouge the target your mage is casting sheep on

[languid ravine]

Always use Hammer of Justice on your allied rogues killtarget, if enemy healer dispells it is always your allied rogues fault

but never focus the same target as rogue

thats how you get 2.200 CR as Ret easily

[jolly sierra]

you can still do blind sap in S2 without any issues

[surreal barn]

Been testing the kidney blind sap while running dance on assa

Really feels weird running dance without CDR

Don’t like 😂

[jolly sierra]

XDDDD

i should get used to that tho

for next season

[surreal barn]

You can literally macro kingsbane to it as well as tea

And ambush completely replaces mutilate now if you are spamming

Pretty fun but predictable

[jolly sierra]

i won't macro tea tho

even if it awards mastery

would be a waste to use it in every KB xdd

[languid ravine]

the real question though is why the fuck did it take 15 years for this to happen

[surreal barn]

One thing I noticed is I was told subterfuge would now be stacking with improved garrote

It does not.

[jolly sierra]

blizzard forgot

at least garrote does works w shadow dance doing silence

[glass bear]

https://tenor.com/view/kkekekekekkeke-kk-gif-27232250

[languid ravine]

Surv Hunt in my lobby RELIGIOUSLY focusing Sub rogue. Do you guys think he is aware of 2x 80 sec evasion, 5 vanishes and disarm or nah?

maybe Hunters dont know that Defensive spells exist since theirs is 3 min CD 6 sec duration

[glass bear]

he just trying to get the kill man

not looking at cds

XD

[jolly sierra]

XD

[rotund fulcrum]

killed this druid thru tranq with blade flurry :3 lock was standing right next to him lol

Was my friends 2100 game too

[languid ravine]

I was 1798 on my shitty lock and now two 0-6 games in a row

actually worst class in the game

[twin burrow]

How are you up mmr when your net negative rounds won ?

[languid ravine]

read the chart bottom up

[twin burrow]

Ah the timestamps were tricky thanks. Ugh I haven't had reflex since it went AWOL from curse

How do I get 😭

[marble oasis]

Can be found using wowup

[long shore]

Read the time stamp from bottom to top. I usually don’t post screenshots to flex lol

[marble oasis]

https://wowup.io/addons/1341353

Sucks to need two addon tools but the joys of adverts…

[long shore]

The sub rogue life is pretty rough in shuffle. Super tiring to remind every my teammates every round to “let me stun”. Especially DH players

Maybe I should just make a macro for it.

“Good day kind sirs! Please let your friendly neighbourhood sub rogue do the stuns on the kill target and enemy healer.

We can all have fun this way and have a better chance of winning! GLHF!”

Too much?

“Screw you you dirtbag, let me stun, stop DRing shit for no reason”

Same message - pretty sure the response will be vastly different 😅

[languid ravine]

I just 1v1ed a warri on my afflock, did 2.004.000 damage and lost

how even

arms that is

[twin burrow]

Lurch go for the friendly neighborhood one. I think it's direct and light

[languid ravine]

and also healed for 2 million :^)

[twin burrow]

Maybe throw in a /cry or cheer

[long shore]

lol i like that.

only problem i see if there are chinese players in the team, they will be like ???

"who???"

"target????"

usually i type a simple answer like "kill war" or "kill dh" works. but stun DRs get messy real quick

[surreal barn]

I took the Pshero approach and just macro “dont CC just do damage” when I’m setting up the go

But yeah most of the time I just enable TopTarget and work around them

[long shore]

What is TopTarget?

“Don’t cc just do damage” you macro this in the starting room or you say during the game?

Pretty sure most people don’t usually read chat while fighting

[languid ravine]

I do because of speech bubbles and it pisses me off kek

[long shore]

it can be quite distracting mid match

and the ping system is very awkward to use

i havent seen many people using pings in shuffle so far

[languid ravine]

Ayooo got the Rival set for warlock, the helm is a banger

too bad I ll never use it coz warlock is literally unplayable

[surreal barn]

In game lol. TopTarget is the real winner though. Shows who your partner is pumping their damage into at all times even if they switch targets

If you cc everyone and then do your go on the kill target you instantly know if your partner is tunneling and should just play around that

[jolly sierra]

very simplistic addon but extremely good to check targets in mid of combat

[long shore]

ah cool, ill download that addon

didnt know it was good for shuffle

thanks for the recommendation

[jolly sierra]

it lightweight af

the only thing it does is framing the top target from ur comps

[surreal barn]

I downloaded during retpocalypse 2023

[jolly sierra]

so u wont bother in concentrate too much watching the addon

[surreal barn]

Where we had 1400 rets in 2.4k territory

[jolly sierra]

i recalled leaving after the 2k4

zzz

[long shore]

werent people abusing WW Monk a few months back in shuffle before it got nerfed?

alot of rando 1500 monks suddenly 2400 in the span of a few days

[jolly sierra]

wtf

seems like a feast

[languid ravine]

guys here is my 2200 rating Outlaw guide:
First round Dagger in main hand (cant use half your spellbook)
Second round your enhance teammate is fighting a DK in the open, completely ignoring the freecasting healer and boomkin
Third round your boomkin dies instantly
Fourth round your DK focuses the healer, completely ignoring the freecasting boomkin and Enhancer
Fifth round your Enhance finally decides not to be a dimwit and you win
Sixth round your boomkin dies instantly
And there you have it, easy

[jolly sierra]

dat pinata

ah my bad

piÑata

[languid ravine]

you would think to be somewhat safe from completely incompetent lobbies at that rating but alas

[long shore]

love to see it when your team plays like a 1k pleb and the next round against u they transform into supatease

[languid ravine]

unironically the Owl was standing on the high ground ledge for 16 seconds and never got gripped once

guess I ll go play Demon Hunter..l

[quaint cedar]

sounds accurate to me

[long shore]

any toptarget users here know what V Offset does? and what settings do you use for shuffle?

[stoic spruce]

.

[jolly sierra]

i use that in BGs too

i turn off ofc in dungeons

the V dunno what is

exactly

[long shore]

ah ok tyty. what size and opacity did u set it to for shuffle?

i just dont want it blocking my entire field of vision

[jolly sierra]

the standard as it was set

[long shore]

Ah okay. Do you only enable “Most Targeted”?

[stoic spruce]

what does TopTarget do?

[jolly sierra]

ye

[jolly sierra]

marks you the most targeted guy from ur partners targeting

if is targeting the same as u then will mark ur target

if not, will mark another guy

[long shore]

Cool tyvm. Good addon for the zug zugs

[jolly sierra]

and u can follow the line

[jolly sierra]

u welcome, my zugzug brain become more confortable w that

[long shore]

I’ll test it in shuffle Tmr 😀 though I play sub so not so much zugging

It’s still good to see what my DK is hitting

[stoic spruce]

im not sure I understand, I'll download it later tonight and see.

[long shore]

He might randomly be hitting the hunter pets 👋🏻

[stoic spruce]

maybe he needed that deathstrike lol

ngl sometimes I do that as a crutch

not in shuffle though

thats silly

[languid ravine]

my games today are maximum cursed, one failed lobby and two maximum pointless 3-3 games along with two hours of queue time

trash game

[long shore]

3-3 games should definitely give rating tbh. Wish Blizz would change this system. So a draw still feels ok

[jolly sierra]

when i was going warrior i did that in outdoor against an arena master hunter cuz i healed myself when he was too far away

he become aware and retire it after coming back

[sharp stone]

yo

omnibar working fine for yall?

all of sudden its not showing on my shuffles

[glass bear]

omnibar has been broken since 10.1.5

with no fix

[sharp stone]

sweet

[surreal barn]

You really don’t have to touch the settings the default should be fine

[fast cargo]

What do you guys think the new opener is for assa?

Cheap garrote rupture shiv, dance cheap ambush?

[surreal barn]

Probably depends on class you open on

[jolly sierra]

something like cheap>garrote>rupture and play as usual

then echoing reprimand>serrated bone spike>shiv>envenom

ah no but opener

hmmm

cheap>garrote>rupture>echoing reprimand>shiv>kingsbane>envenom

something like that could work well

[waxen meteor]

Doesn’t like real but funny

[jolly sierra]

dude if they gave me a free windows OS update i would be happy

[safe pelican]

Mines been working but I also refuse to update it so there’s that

[sharp stone]

mine works 10% of the arena games, in open world it does lol

[sharp stone]

im never gonna update stuff again till they break

[safe pelican]

Yup that’s the way, if it ain’t broke , don’t fix it 🤝✅

Sometimes they make you force update addons like omnibar but It didn’t make me this time so I always pass on the optimal updates if my shit is working fine

[uneven grove]

no fcking way

[minor cape]

arent they free anyway

[jolly sierra]

dunno

[minor cape]

i wish i could disable windows update forever

[jolly sierra]

me too

[wary spire]

Hehe, word of warcraft.

[twin burrow]

I play! That's random?

[languid ravine]

A nice trick that would have been great to know of before the end of season but anyways:
Just enter an old LFR Raid solo to pause your shuffle queue if you need to go to an idle meeting

[surreal barn]

WoW Collectors edition will be called WoW Professional now

[wary spire]

But 4 real, will wow be a part of Xbox pass? Are there any confirmations?

[spring bough]

Scrolling thru Reddit and see this

Has me dying laughing. People hate our 8 yard melee range LOL

Bro probably lost a match cause of that and went straight to Reddit 😂

[sour charm]

8 Yard melee should be SV and Outlaw only change my mind.

(Give warriors a talent and let them have it based on weapon type too)

Then again what melee is actually melee nowdays. Ret kills you from 20 yards too

[jolly sierra]

what a tip, ty

[tight eagle]

So I'm making my crafted gear for PvP and I misunderstood the 'embellishment unique' property.. Now I have a 3rd piece of gear I can't equip because of this. Is there anyway to recraft it to just remove the embellishment? It looks like I can only replace it

I'm trying to avoid vendoring the piece and needing to order a brand new piece, but it looks like I might have to

[sour charm]

You can buy embelishment removing thingie from Giftrah at the Black Dragon place

[sour charm]

https://www.wowhead.com/npc=189207/griftah
Buy the all purpose embelishment poweder, and recraft the piece with that

[tight eagle]

Hell yeah, thats great news thanks!

[halcyon timber]

Maim exists and does damage and lasts 5s too. Not sure what this guy is on about. Hoj costs no resources and lasts the same if no healer is able to dispel. That’s a 7/11 methhead post. Lightning lasso channels and does close to 60% of your life but /shrug.

[sour charm]

I fully believe these people still live in the times of CS and KS not sharing a DR:

[languid ravine]

just had 12 rounds in a row where my teammate just fell over after a minute

maybe its time to log back on the rogue so I ll be target instead

[halcyon timber]

Whole heartedly. They also think cheap shot does damage or something and needs to cost half our energy. Good thing none of them dev anything.

Patch is nov 7th , good deal.

[quaint cedar]

As outlaw not sure I'm looking forward to it

No armor pen might be the death of us

[steel skiff]

So, just to confirm, no find weakness for outlaw, and Realz hasn't said anything about it?

[quaint cedar]

Nope

Other than once like a while ago

Just that he's "aware of it" and wants to "wait and see"

Don't know if that means go live without it and then add it back or if he's looking for some kind of ptr data

[steel skiff]

"wait and see" translation: we'll wait until the middle of the season to hotfix a poor solution

[quaint cedar]

Probably yeah

Strap in for another season of being the rogue spec everyone forgets even exists

Including the devs!

[steel skiff]

seems that way, sadly. Once again it's go sub or go home.

[quaint cedar]

Can't wait to watch warriors get buffed every week while outlaw just rots in a corner somewhere

Sad thing too is that based on my testing outlaw is going to look decently strong the first few weeks before we get gear

But with full season 3 gear we fall off

By the time everyone is fully geared devs stop tuning

And the cycle continues

[steel skiff]

Do they generally switch up devs between xpacs? Maybe we can get a dev that doesn't have SHADOWDANCE pinned to the wall over his computer and get some decent attention to the other 2 rogue specs

[halcyon timber]

No one knows man

It’s multiple developers working on classes is all we do know. Some guys that develop rogue also work on warlock.

[steel skiff]

So demoralizing.

[halcyon timber]

Mace specialization should have come back to just give you guys the armor penetration or could have been tied to bte / gsw idk

[steel skiff]

I wouldn't be in the prediction business if this hadn't happened for the last 2 seasons

[steel skiff]

Someone on the WoW forums suggested converting pistol shot and BTE to fire damage...that would be an easy fix

[halcyon timber]

I dig, outlaw shouldn’t be pulling straws . All 3 mages can crank /shrug

[halcyon timber]

Makes sense man

[jolly sierra]

alright seems its time to push

with the s3 announcement

[quaint cedar]

Yeah lots of fixes honestly. Add armor pen stacks to enduring brawler, make bte and pistol do fire damage, add an armor pen buff to bte

I don't really care what it is exactly, just something would be nice

The outlaw pvp experience in DF so far

Could honestly switch outlaw and assas depending on the day lol

[spring bough]

Have y’all given up on outlaw for 10.2 already? Damn lol

Good thing I got my DK hunter or warrior just in case 😂

[stoic spruce]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/777597469416620042/1134816965077258260/7u4ct4.gif

[halcyon timber]

Doubtful, just outlaws are frustrated and that’s understandable.

[halcyon timber]

Freakin great movie

[stoic spruce]

Regardless of how outlaw is, I'm playing it over unholy. I can't stand this new unholy.

[halcyon timber]

What’s up with it? I was told they have a minion side and a disease emphasized side . Are those not fun?

[stoic spruce]

The tree is a bit of a mess and most abilities are nerfed in pvp making them garbage and it's squishy.

Like abom limb

Last time it was nerfed was in the unholy damage redistribution and idk why it was nerfed. It didn't do any damage at all.

[stoic spruce]

Pets are nerfed

2 ghouls instead of 4 with apoc and 4 ghouls instead of 8 with army.

[spring bough]

New unholy that bad? Damn lol. So rogue hunter or warrior then lol

[stoic spruce]

It does good damage but in a very boring way

It's a 123123 spec ever since the damage redistribution since your CDs don't do anything

The "unholy should be sustain" people ruined it because they don't realize that it's a burst spec by design.

[halcyon timber]

I remember when gargoyle would turn people into dust back in the day

Dumb dumbs wouldn’t interrupt it, just let it tee off on people like happy gilmore

[languid ravine]

Imagine your teammates dies within 30 seconds 6 rounds in a row

somehow dropped 200 rating playing better than 95% of the people in my lobbies

imagine playing off meta specs when everyone just plays like kamikaze drones

[halcyon timber]

Freakin a man

[spring bough]

Rounds like that make me wanna get on the arms or fury and just stand in one place and demolish everyone lol

[waxen meteor]

sometimes it feels so frustrated.

[quaint cedar]

Not giving up yet, just worried.

I wish pvp testing on ptr was better. Sometimes it's hard to gauge where a spec stands because all you have to work with are duels and BGs

And outlaw traditionally is the worst rogue spec for both duels and BGs

So who knows, maybe it's actually fine and I'm worried over nothing. But I can't help feeling that losing armor pen is going to be a big problem for us

It makes tuning messy. For us to be able to do enough damage to plate to not be completely gimped, our damage would have to be tuned quite high. Which then makes us do too much against cloth

[halcyon timber]

F pajama wearers

[quaint cedar]

Imagine if we were deleting cloth like MM does, but with all the CC and defensives we have

[halcyon timber]

Ef em

[quaint cedar]

Never going to happen

So instead we'll just be undertuned against plate/ high armor and just decent into everything else

[halcyon timber]

Had enough of their psyops and terrorist propaganda

[quaint cedar]

Making us overall underpowered

[halcyon timber]

Yeah that can’t fly man

[quaint cedar]

Even worse is that outlaw is meant to be good against melee dps yet 40% of melee are plate....

[surreal barn]

My name gonna change hot pink come 10.2

Assa is fun as fuck again

[halcyon timber]

Well, we keep making noise but in an organized and honorable way unlike shadow priests screaming
#rEmOvE vOidFoRm during bfa and SL everywhere. Forums, other class forums, battle pet discussions, their grandmoms house etc.. was ridiculous.

[quaint cedar]

Wtf that looks pink to you? I always thought their color was red

[surreal barn]

Haha pink to me

[quaint cedar]

lol

[halcyon timber]

Like mike n ikes pink?

Because assassins are definitely hot tomale candy red xD

[surreal barn]

#E91E63

[quaint cedar]

Whaaaat

[halcyon timber]

That’s like a dang pink red for sure

I see now

[quaint cedar]

It looks so much more red on a name

[surreal barn]

Boys we going pink

[halcyon timber]

Prob the resolution on my phone

Makes it look darker than it is

This season will be no different. Subtlety nerfed and trash can buffs within 2 weeks, assassination keeps getting buffed then gets nerfed after doing more than enough damage the entire time, outlaw gets 5% to dispatch and comes back mid season and gets over buffed according to clothy news network and gets nerfed again.

All meanwhile MM , wind wanker, ferals and warriors all get buffs.

[surreal barn]

Only thing I want assa to get is the extra +5 yards /-5 second cd on step

On include the yards on intent to kill

[halcyon timber]

Lord xD

Ohh i gotya

[surreal barn]

I really miss that most from sub on ptr

[halcyon timber]

Whats the cd after garroting? Like 24 or something?

[surreal barn]

Low but let’s be real we are stepping defensively

[halcyon timber]

Yeah

[surreal barn]

They are always on us

[halcyon timber]

Yeah, avoiding damage is good defense in a twisted way.

2 feints should be a boon for sure though

[surreal barn]

We sit at like 48% versa in full conq

On ptr

[halcyon timber]

Im just happy to see assass can actually hit some hard ass envenoms and ambushes .

Whats the 48% = defense wise though? (Verse appears to be hit the hardest on DRs)

[surreal barn]

The night stalker snapshotting during dance is kinda big too

[halcyon timber]

Yeah shit is great

[surreal barn]

I mean it felt good but I think healers are currently immortal on ptr

And there were plenty keeping everyone up

[tight eagle]

Who is going to be the best healer in 10.2 you think?

[surreal barn]

Paladin and Druid on ptr seemed kinda nuts

[tight eagle]

sweet. I was thinking Druid 🤷

probably won't even level it before 10.2 tho lol

[waxen meteor]

wait what?

rogue is no longer yellow?

[tight eagle]

in the discord

[surreal barn]

Discord name 😂

[waxen meteor]

[steel skiff]

Where would you put the last point in the spec tree for this build? BQQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAkQSCJRIESigEJpJJRLJSJJAAAAAAQpkkQIRhkSEAAAASSCA

[stoic spruce]

CTO

[steel skiff]

Not GSW or GS?

[stoic spruce]

Is this with 4set?

[steel skiff]

yes

[languid ravine]

Guys I have found the Pro Gaming Bracket in shuffle this is the peak there is nothing above it

these guys are on another level, dont even need to use their interrupts

[wary spire]

Playing around premed! Top strats.

[hard garnet]

Sorry, I haven't been able to keep up with PTR. Su will be our spec for 10.2? Thanks.

[queen geyser]

Swift Slasher

Or CTO with 4 set

But Swift Slasher more consistent me feels

[languid ravine]

2000 rating marksman: scattershot-> ice trap the healer -> pump 30k dps freecasting -> die

write it down guys, those are some secret techs I havent seen before

[wanton breach]

how is a ret losing every round

[jolly sierra]

does them have priests?

if is a yes, then expect getting insta dispelled

[sharp stone]

deserved

[stoic spruce]

Wanted the free 1800 without using util

[halcyon timber]

More i see outlaws talk about it, armor penetration is the way without making them annihilating cloth like our boys have been asking for

[surreal barn]

Whelp, ugly Christmas sweater shopping is done

[jolly sierra]

envenom to a player

in live

[spring bough]

hit rival on fury and arms in solo in probably 5-6 ques each. feels so ridic LOL

[jolly sierra]

XD

dh

[inner tartan]

How do I get that flag

[stoic spruce]

Tcg drop

Or pay big money

[jolly sierra]

DUDE LOST 200 MMR JUST BECAUSE I GOT A DC AND A FRAME DROP

GOD DAMMIT IM TILTED AS FUCK

[wary spire]

Big Fs.

[lucid citrus]

Finally got 2100 in 2's sheeesh

[waxen meteor]

Grat!

324k dmg with 2 kills

[jolly sierra]

gratz dude

[jolly bear]

wait does it go by 100s after 2k?

[naive tendon]

This was added to the blizzard store for Blizcon2023 recently lol

[stoic spruce]

It really lives up to the name "ugly sweater"

[dark kernel]

messing with some tech for ptr

[lucid citrus]

what you mean?

[hardy linden]

can anyone tell me a) why serrated bone spike only lasts for like 2 seconds on targets instead of forever and b) assuming it's some dumb pvp-only change, where i can read about those changes for abilities so i know what they actually do?

[lucid citrus]

you talking about current pacth or 10.2?

[hardy linden]

currently

it's possible it only does this on the pvp target dummy and i'm going insane in arenas i guess

weird that it doesn't do it on the pve dummies

[jolly bear]

1800 is Rival, 2k is what? duelist?

[jolly bear]

I just hit 1800 today so idk whats after rival

[lucid citrus]

after 1800 is 1950 Rival II

[jolly bear]

tf

then what? its every 150?

[lucid citrus]

then 2100 then 2400

[jolly bear]

thats so weird

so 2k means nothing